[12:08] <SpAwN> justjosh, but u should be able to open xmms but clicking a mp3 or starting xmms in cli or from the start menu
[12:08] <justjosh> dammit. couldn't open audio error. please check that soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected no other program is blocking the soundcard
[12:09] <justjosh> just what exactly does THAT mean?
[12:09] <SpAwN> justjosh, could mean a few things
[12:09] <dr_willis> !sound
[12:09] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:09] <SpAwN> open xmms and gotot the options
[12:09] <justjosh> i'm in options. let me try the alsa thing first
[12:10] <SpAwN> justjosh > restricted
[12:10] <SpAwN> SpAwN > restricted
[12:10] <SpAwN> hmm
[12:10] <justjosh> sound tests ok
[12:10] <SpAwN> !restricted
[12:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:10] <SpAwN> justjosh, ^^
[12:11] <justjosh> advanced linux sound architecture == alsa?
[12:12] <aliasfred> justjosh: yes
[12:12] <justjosh> SWEET!!!!
[12:12] <FJ_Sanchez> Hello to everybody
[12:13] <justjosh> dr_willis and spawn, if you were here I'd rub your nipples.
[12:13] <aliasfred> justjosh: i see you are very happy about this :)
[12:13] <SpAwN> justjosh, lol.....im adude
[12:13] <justjosh> just a bit. now the wife'll get yellin at me about switchin from windows
[12:13] <SpAwN> but w/e itll be a party....
[12:13] <SpAwN> lol j/k
[12:13] <justjosh> right now spawn you could be a 7 foot tall transsexual and i'd still rub you.
[12:14] <justjosh> thanks for the help
[12:14] <BluesKaj> wife has her own pc
[12:14] <SpAwN> justjosh, not a prob man
[12:15] <BluesKaj> still have dvd burning issues with tovid which I hope to solve after I finsh this dvd burn in windows
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Kitchener ON !
[12:17] <gan|y|med> ciao
[12:17] <justjosh> can't init alsasink driver? trying another one....no usable audio driver found?
[12:17] <dako> can someone halp me with an fstab question?
[12:17] <justjosh> !fstab
[12:17] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[12:17] <gekko`> !ask > dako
[12:18] <justjosh> then konqueror crashes....what a pain.
[12:19] <justjosh> ah, but it works in firefox. go figure
[12:22] <FJ_Sanchez> I cannot get running phpmyadmin
[12:23] <FJ_Sanchez> I can do it only if i try access to 127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin but I want access with localhost/phpmyadmin
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> i am so friggin mystified
[12:24] <shadeofgrey> does anybody here know how the hell the "set word wrap" option for composition in kmail actually works?
[12:25] <shadeofgrey> it supposedly wants a value of columns -- not characters.  can someone please explain to me what this really means?
[12:26] <james14> I have a bluetooth wireless mouse.  I can get it to work with  hidd --connect 00:0D:3A:A2:74:E6.  If I don't use the mouse for 10 minutes, I have to push button and give this command again.  Do you know the settings for automatic pairing?
[12:27] <posthuman> is it possible to 'extract' a deb file into a specific directory?
[12:28] <dr_willis> try 'mc' and see if ya can view the contents . :) i do that all the time with rpms and otehr archives
[12:29] <gekko`> posthuman: why you want to extract a deb file?
[12:33] <r1d31ck> alguem fala portugues a?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> can someone in here please help me with my kmail problem
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> its so simple its ridiculous
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> but i have no idea what the hell is going on
[12:34] <BrigadierFrog> dr_willis: I take that back, its about a 102k files max
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> I wonder why I get a too many files open error then
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> in several applications
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> and sftp
[12:35] <BrigadierFrog> box comprimised maybe?
[12:38] <dr_willis> BrigadierFrog,  yes - i was just thinking when ya asked that.. what in the world are ya getting to have so many open.
[12:38] <BrigadierFrog> well, its a torrent file
[12:38] <BrigadierFrog> it only happens for torrents and sftp
[12:38] <dr_willis> hmmmm
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> like, sftp won't let me copy a huge directory with thousands of files
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> and bittorrent complains after about 1023 files
[12:39] <dr_willis> You got torrents with 1023 files?
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> there's one with 2000 files
[12:39] <dr_willis> or 1023 torrents going? :P
[12:39] <BrigadierFrog> that I'm trying to get
[12:39] <dr_willis> heh -
[12:39] <dr_willis> I think my  MAME rom torrenst proberly got that many. :P
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> and does it work ok on kubuntu?
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> I think my install is messed up somehow
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> kernel comprimised maybe...
[12:40] <BrigadierFrog> this is why I use bsd usually... less issues like this... but whatever
[12:41] <dr_willis> Ive never seen that issue befor.
[12:41] <dr_willis> and ive been using linux for ages. :P
[12:41] <dr_willis> To the Bat Google!
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need help here
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> thisis driving me nuts
[12:42] <dr_willis> ;)
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> why the hell is word wrapping in kmail so retarded?
[12:42] <rr72> dapper is the latest right?
[12:42] <shadeofgrey> yes
[12:42] <dr_willis> never used it.. cant tell ya shadeofgrey
[12:42] <rr72> how do i check my kde version from the command line?
[12:42] <rr72> what is the latest version of kde?
[12:43] <Kr4t05> rr72 3.5.4
[12:43] <rr72> how do i check from cmd line?
[12:43] <rr72> my version of kde
[12:43] <dr_willis> kicker --version perhaps
[12:44] <rr72> i can't -- since - are obsolete
[12:44] <rr72> hawkwind told me not to use - anymore
[12:44] <dr_willis> Heh good luck there -    I know of ooodles of programs that still use -   instead of -
[12:44] <dr_willis> and 0 is not obsolete.
[12:44] <dr_willis> oops;..
[12:44] <dr_willis>  :P
[12:44] <rr73> peace out oging for dinner
[12:45] <Hawkwind> rr73: Would you knock off the crap please
[12:45] <Hawkwind> rr73: I specifically told you that the - in tar commands was obsolete.  You trolling has gone too far IMO
[12:46] <PsySine> what package should I install to get mp3-support in amarok?
[12:47] <Kr4t05> PsySine: libxine-extra codecs
[12:47] <Kr4t05> PsySine: libxine-extracodecs**
[12:47] <PsySine> Kr4t05: thanks
[12:47] <djk_> does badblocks search for badblocks in the filesystem or on the hdd?
[12:49] <cwraig> !guide
[12:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about guide - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:51] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> !alarm clock
[12:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about alarm clock - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:52] <CaBlGuY-SuRfErKi> anyone around?
[12:52] <Hawkwind> 267 others besides yourself
[12:52] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: Do you use mame or advancemame ?
[12:54] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  both :P
[12:54] <dr_willis> advancemame is nicer in some ways - but the dev for it needs to quit being so 'differnt' in some ways
[12:55] <h3sp4wn> The versions of mame are ancient in dapper / edgy / sid though
[12:55] <dr_willis> ie:  he uses 'rom' instead of 'roms' for the default rom dir and so on for several things.. Makes it a pain to have both xmame/mame32/advancemame on the usbhd.
[12:55] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  yep  thats an annoyance with dapper.
[12:55] <dr_willis> and ubuntu in general
[12:55] <dr_willis> look at some of the other emulators.. way old
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Yes - any recent version of zsnes (either svn or WIP build) performs alot better (in high res) - thing about mame for me is the compile process is so complicated I never seem to get it performing well
[12:58] <warlocky> warlock -_-
[12:58] <Raven301> When you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... I there a setting you can do to stop a program from being updated??
[12:59] <Raven301> s/I/Is
[01:03] <JuanG> I want to Help
[01:04] <Hawkwind> Raven301: Look in the man pages for apt for holding an app
[01:04] <Raven301> ok h3sp4wn
[01:04] <Hawkwind> Raven301: Tab completion :P
[01:04] <Raven301> ok Hawkwind
[01:04] <Raven301> sorry h3sp4wn
[01:04] <Raven301> :)
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> Its dpkg you use to hold an app (or aptitude)
[01:05] <Hawkwind> Ah right.  I thought man apt didn't sound right
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> echo whatever hold | dpkg --set-selections
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> You can also use /etc/apt/preferences to pin but its more complicated or aptitude hold whatever (but the aptitude way sometimes seems to not work as it should)
[01:09] <rr73> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe                         should that be commented out?
[01:13] <rr73> why is it holding back 78 packs when in upgrading to new KDE?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> use dist-upgrade not upgrade
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> make sure dapper-updates is enabled
[01:13] <rr73> it is
[01:14] <rr73> someone should change the how to on-line so people don't screw their systems
[01:14] <rr73> like me
[01:14] <rr73> too late now i already did a apt-get upgrade
[01:14] <rr73> hope i don't fuck my system up too badly
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> always dist-upgrade
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> if you do that after it will be fine
[01:15] <rr73> i can't do dist-upgrade cause Hawkwind to never use - anymore
[01:15] <rr73> so there is no need for apt-get upgrade anymore?
[01:16] <rr73> do i del the kde repo no from my sources? and do i comment out dapper update?
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: Cut the crap, seriously
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: I've told you what I meant and you've taken too damn far
[01:16] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ do i delete kde from the repos now?
[01:16] <Hawkwind> rr73: If you can't realize that I told you that - are not needed when you do tar -zjvf commands, then that's YOUR fault
[01:17] <rr73> and do i comment out dapper-updates?
[01:17] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Ping
[01:17] <crimsun> rr73: please do not attack your fellow irc users.
[01:17] <rr73> crimsun~ i am not attacking anyone
[01:18] <rr73> i have not touched anyones computer
[01:18] <Hawkwind> rr73: You're telling everyone I told you *not* to use - in any command.  That is totally false
[01:18] <rr73> i have no software to attack any coputers
[01:18] <Kr4t05> rr73: no one likes a smart-ass.
[01:18] <Hawkwind> crimsun: He's got me on ignore so he can't see what I'm telling him :(
[01:18] <rr73> then i hate myslef
[01:19] <rr73> i don't care that i hate myself
[01:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Got a second for a pm by chance ?
[01:19] <rr73> crimsun~ do i remove the kde line from my sources ones ive upgraded?
[01:19] <crimsun> rr73: what are you dist-upgrading to?
[01:19] <crimsun> Hawkwind: sure
[01:19] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ ty for telling to dist-upgrade
[01:19] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Thanks
[01:19] <rr73> 2.5.4
[01:19] <rr73> *3.5.4
[01:20] <rr73> kde
[01:20] <crimsun> rr73: on dapper? Then you need the dapper-security repo, too.
[01:20] <rr73> i have that
[01:20] <rr73> i don't know what ur talking about
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> rr74: and dapper-updates (or you will have an issue with cups)
[01:21] <crimsun> rr73: then what kde line are you referring to?
[01:21] <rr73> crimsun~  i don't know what dapper-security yr talking baout
[01:21] <rr73> the one i put in to upgrade kde
[01:21] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ was that for me?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> rr73: I think so
[01:22] <rr73> and from now on only do dist-upgrade not upgrade?
[01:22] <crimsun> rr73: if you want 3.5.4, then you have to use the kubuntu.org repo
[01:22] <rr73> crimsun~ i have 3.5.4
[01:22] <rr73> do i delete the line i just put in?
[01:23] <crimsun> rr73: you haven't explained what you're trying to do
[01:23] <rr73> im not doing anything
[01:23] <rr73> i want to know after i dist-upgrade am i supposed to del/comment out the kde line i enterd
[01:23] <crimsun> no, you don't have to
[01:24] <rr73> do i have to comment out dapper-upgrade?
[01:24] <crimsun> what is "dapper-upgrade" ?
[01:24] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ do i comment out dapper-upgrade?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> dapper-updates
[01:24] <crimsun> if you mean the "dapper-updates" repo, no, don't comment it out.
[01:25] <rr73> so im supposed to ONLY dist-upgrade from now on?
[01:25] <rr73> is apt-get upgrade unsafe?
[01:26] <crimsun> no, and no.
[01:26] <Raven301> When updating your system is there an option so it doesn't update a certain program??
[01:26] <rr73> when do i do dist-upgrade?
[01:26] <crimsun> please read the distinction between the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' operations in apt-get(8).
[01:26] <rr73> and when do i do upgrade?
[01:26] <rr73> im not reading naything
[01:26] <rr73> gimme a link then i read it
[01:27] <Hawkwind> LOL
[01:27] <crimsun> rr73: http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[01:27] <Hawkwind> rr73: If you won't read, then it's likely you won't get much help unfortunately
[01:27] <rr73> im not reading manual pages
[01:27] <rr73> i hate them
[01:27] <rr73> h3sp4wn~ so i upgrade for normal stuff and dist-upgrade for big things?
[01:27] <Kr4t05> rr73: go back to Windows, you ignorant n00b.
[01:27] <farous> rr73: you need to pin the package you do not want to upgrade. use your prefferred package manager for that
[01:28] <rr73> farous~ i just use apt-get
[01:28] <farous> sorry ment for Raven301 nor rr73 stupid tab completion
[01:28] <rr73> oh
[01:28] <rr73> that didnt make sense
[01:28] <rr73> hey Admiral_Chicago
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> rr73, hey whats up
[01:29] <rr73> how are ur teeth?
[01:29] <Raven301> farous: I use command line ... is there something for that?
[01:29] <rr73> just about to get banned from crimsun for no god damn reason
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> better. just a pain in the mooth to eat
[01:29] <crimsun> rr73: have you been banned yet by me?
[01:29] <farous> Raven301: let me check a link or you
[01:29] <rr73> who knows
[01:29] <rr73> ive been fucking glined from this net
[01:30] <Hawkwind> Ughhh @ the language
[01:30] <Hawkwind> !language
[01:30] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:30] <rr73> like i care
[01:30] <Raven301> rr73: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=219920
[01:30] <crimsun> rr73: then kindly don't say that you're about to get banned by me, or you will.
[01:31] <rr73> ty Raven301
[01:32] <Riddell> crimsun?
[01:32] <Riddell> crimsun: why the +t?
[01:32] <crimsun> Riddell: preemptive measure for the topic
[01:32] <Riddell> do you have reason to expect vandalism?
[01:32] <rr73> i thought +t was standard for freenode's services
[01:33] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Maybe he's hiding a can of spray paint we don't know about :P
[01:33] <crimsun> Riddell: I have reason, yes
[01:33] <Riddell> crimsun: ok, please -t when reason goes away
[01:33] <crimsun> Riddell: I will.
[01:34] <Ademan> I want to replace my mother's rotten to the core virus+ spyware ridden Windows XP box with kubuntu... You guys think I can make the bottom panel look convincingly like the Windows XP start bar that I could get away with it untill she figured out that she liked it more than her old operating system? (of course i'll back up the old hard drive, and on top of that leave the windows partition, but just make kubuntu be default)
[01:34] <farous> Raven301: there you go http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[01:35] <crimsun> rr73: obviously you can't be forced to read man pages, but apt-get(8) has the most succinct explanation of the difference.
[01:35] <unstablesob_> Ademan: don't lie to your mother, thats evil
[01:35] <Raven301> thank a lot farous ... I'll give it a read :)
[01:35] <rr73> succinct?
[01:35] <rr73> oh it is a word
[01:36] <farous> Raven301: ur welcomed :)
[01:36] <Ademan> unstablesob_: I won't say anything :-)  and really i'm half kidding, I am really considering adding a kubuntu partition to that computer though, the Windows XP partition is as good as dead
[01:36] <rr73> Girded or tucked up
[01:36] <djk_> Ademan: http://www.xpde.com/
[01:37] <Ademan> I just walked into the kitchen and watched in horror as the poor thing struggled with the "flying through space" screensaver...
[01:37] <Raven301> :)
[01:37] <unstablesob> Ademan: just make the task bar "small", get rid of the app launchers, set it to only have 1 desktop, and remove the pager .... should be decent enough for a windows user
[01:38] <rr73> unstablesob~ but transpereant wouldnt work ;) mine wouldnt get awayy
[01:38] <scast> Where can I find a "decent" source.list ?
[01:39] <rr73> get a copy of the start button to ;) and background she has ;)
[01:39] <farous> !easysource
[01:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:39] <farous> scast: ^ ^
[01:39] <Hawkwind> scast: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0  <~~Here's mine posted on my forums
[01:39] <Ademan> i'm thinking i will, i just wish there was decent ntfs support on linux (i know its getting better) that way i could keep the old partition and maybe clean it out or something
[01:39] <scast> Aight... thanks
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> okay
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> i say again im in desperate need of help with kmail
[01:42] <Ademan> use eclipse
[01:42] <Ademan> sorry
[01:42] <Ademan> evolution
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> theres got to be a way to fix the word wrap problems
[01:42] <Ademan> :-p
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> i find it very hard to nbelieve that the developpers would intentionally render the software basically unusable because the word wrap functions dont do dick
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> ifg thats indeed the case tehn somebody needs to learn how to code a tad bit better
[01:44] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[01:45] <ubuntu> cant anyone tell me if orinoco drivers are working with 6.06lts kubuntu, are they included somewhere, ,or do I have to try to mke something from scratch
[01:47] <Martijn81> hi ubuntu, sorry to ask but what is "orinoco", wireless card?
[01:47] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: If it's a Orinoco B card, it should be supported natively.  I know mine in my laptop is
[01:48] <scast> Can I mix, for example, Seveas' repo with Cipherfunk repo? (They both have w32codes)... I spect that apt will pick the most up-to-date w32codecs version, or they may conflict?
[01:48] <Hawkwind> scast: Yes.  It shouldn't hurt anything
[01:48] <ubuntu> Ive been trying to get the usb wireless device on my compaq N410C to work,, so far suse 10 detect it naturally but I stll cant connect anywhere,, was wondering if new brew of kubuntu would work
[01:48] <Hawkwind> scast: If you're looking at my sources.list I gave you the link to, refresh the page as I updated it just now
[01:49] <Raven301> farous: Thanks again editing /etc/apt/preferences worked great :)
[01:49] <farous> Raven301: you are welcomed my friend :)
[01:49] <Raven301> :)
[01:49] <ubuntu> so far in with live cd kubuntu,, 6.06 Ive tried lspci -v,, and its not detected
[01:50] <scast> Hawkwind: and I thought mine was a little too long.
[01:51] <ubuntu> and in lsusb -v not detected either
[01:51] <farous> would the broadcom wireless card have better support on edgy? is upgrading to newer kernel worth the hastle to use the opensource driver or should i just stick to the ndiswrapper
[01:52] <Dark_Oppressor> im trying to 'apt-get install scons', but i keep getting errors, and then i have to 'apt-get remove scons' just to get apt-get to work right again
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: is it in lshw (if its pcmcia I wouldn't expect it to be in lspci or lsusb)
[01:52] <Dark_Oppressor> is there something i dont know that might get scons to install right?
[01:52] <Montoya> Hola
[01:52] <Montoya> Nesecito una ayuda
[01:53] <Montoya> Como monto un servidor web en Ubuntu
[01:53] <kosh> no idea what you said
[01:53] <Dark_Oppressor> lol
[01:53] <kosh> I pretty much only speak english and some programming languages
[01:53] <Montoya> que tengo que instalar para que sirva con PHP y MySQL
[01:54] <ubuntu> ah ha! found it
[01:54] <ubuntu> iProduct                1 Compaq WLAN MultiPort W200
[01:54] <ubuntu>   iSerial                 2 PG33JL9AAL03
[01:54] <scast> Ign ftp://cipherfunk.org dapper/main Sources what does that mean?
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: its a device attached to the lid ,, and ride on usbport,,
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: found it in lsusb under sudo
[01:56] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: but cant see it with wireless lan manager :(
[01:57] <word> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade type thing from 32 bit kubuntu to 64 bit? or uh what packages are diff?
[01:57] <djk_> Riddell: how old are you?
[01:58] <kosh> less then the age of the universe but not by much ;)
[01:59] <Raven301> farous: I use this for my wireless http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[01:59] <farous> Raven301: thanx will check it out
[01:59] <Raven301> np
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: You need linux-wlan-ng and probably to install linux-restricted-modules (which may have the firmware in it) but I would say I am only 50% that it will work you may have to extract the firmware from the card yourself
[02:01] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: and if I do lshw,, its under usb0 *usb unclaimed
[02:01] <farous> Raven301: tried that but my window driver did not work. did you use the window driver or the one posted on the thread
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Are you currently on the livecd ? -
[02:02] <Raven301> farous: These are the ones I use  bcmwl5.inf  bcmwl5.sys  wl_apsta.o
[02:02] <plugs> is it possible to play Windows Media formats?
[02:02] <ubuntu> if few words I have to install first, to do update and installing modules
[02:02] <ubuntu> yes on livecd
[02:02] <farous> Raven301: cool i did not get the wl_apsta one will try it now thanx alot
[02:02] <Raven301> np
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-286
[02:03] <Kr4t05> !tell plugs about restrictedcodecs
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictedcodecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: try sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[02:03] <Kr4t05> !tell plugs about restricted codecs
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about restricted codecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <Kr4t05> GAR!
[02:03] <plugs> !tell plugs about restricted
[02:05] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: will try taht,, one moment
[02:05] <aurelio> hola
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Then try modprobe prism2_usb (then see whether it is detected)
[02:07] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: I get message restricted modules already newest
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: what happens if you do 'modprobe prism2_usb'
[02:08] <Snake[ONAIR] > Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: does it complain about missing firmware ?
[02:08] <flaccid> command to test apache vhost config?
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> telnet vhostdomain.com 80
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> get /
[02:09] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: so far after modprobe it just return me to prompt
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: /sbin/ifconfig -a (see if wlan0 is mentioned)
[02:12] <ubuntu> h3sp4wn: eth0, l0, and sit0
[02:13] <flaccid> !apache
[02:13] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: I think you have 2 choices - install it and try to get it working afterwards - or try to find a distro which supports it out of the box (I don't think it can be done from the livecd)
[02:15] <kosh> and then people get to find out later why mysql is not a relational database ;)
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> !wireless
[02:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:15] <miyako> Does kubuntu come with support for ReiserFS?
[02:16] <ubuntu> will install in a few min.. will be back after,, thx h3sp4wn
[02:16] <kosh> v3 I can't imagine it not supported v4 I think is very unlikely
[02:18] <miyako> my old machine running suse 10.0 shot craps, and I got a  new machine, decided to put Kubuntu on it, wanted to make sure I'd be able to read my old drive formatted as ReiserFS so I can pull my data off of it
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> You can use reiserfs4 (if you want but I wouldn't) the tools / kernel support it
[02:18] <miyako> I think Suse is 3, so if it supports 3 then that's all I need
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> It supports 3 fine
[02:19] <miyako> ok :)  I know some distros don't ship with support for it.
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu ships with support for as much as humanly possible
[02:19] <miyako> so any advice for someone who's never used Ubuntu before, but is experienced with Linux in general?  I've heard it's a really good distro- which is why I decided to try it out.
[02:20] <miyako> just hope I can get Maya to install properly on it, otherwise I'll have to go back to SuSE- which has been irritating me lately.
[02:20] <kosh> h3sp4wn: the ubuntu default kernel supports reiservs4 by default? that surprises me a lot the kernel devs won't let it in because of how intrustive the changes are, that seems like a pretty risky thing to have by default
[02:22] <miyako> hmm, while I'm waiting for my iso to download, perhaps I should call MS tech support and try to get a refund for the copy of XP that came on this new box.
[02:22] <kosh> fat chance
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> kosh: The tools etc are there so I would presume that the kernel supports it
[02:23] <kosh> h3sp4wn: where do you see v4 stuff?
[02:23] <h3sp4wn> kosh: /sbin
[02:24] <kosh> hmm interesting
[02:24] <kosh> either way I know it does not work on my system since I am not using the ubuntu kernels
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> kosh: I still wouldn't use it (I know too many people who have lost data to it (sometimes multiple times))
[02:25] <kosh> I lost data to reiserfs v3 once and I have not touched v4
[02:25] <kosh> if the kernel fs people don't like it then I don't want to touch it
[02:26] <kosh> reiserfs had nasty issues of on a bad shutdown random garbage ended up in the file
[02:26] <kosh> the reiserfs devs kept blaming it on the kernel, dma etc but the poitn is that ext2 ext3 xfs and jfs won't do it no matter how many times you badly shut it down
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> I think as soon as reiser4 has been in the main kernel for 6 months I will use it
[02:27] <kosh> I don't have any intention of using it
[02:27] <kosh> it is not any faster, it consumes more cpu power to run
[02:27] <Snake[ONAIR] > Tune into imagination radio! Alternative Rock/Classic/Heavy Metal I'm DJing now till 12 EST! http://tinyurl.com/hswrl All requests can be PMed to me :-)
[02:27] <kosh> and it is vastly more complex
[02:27] <miyako> I usually use the default FS for whatever distro I'm using, for regular desktop usage it doesn't seem to make a lot of difference
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> I use reiser3
[02:28] <kosh> sure they show some benchmarks that are faster with reiserfsv4 but I have seen enough others where it loses abysmally especially once the fs has been running for a while
[02:28] <kosh> reiser3 and reiser4 have nothing in common with each other
[02:28] <kosh> the disk format, code etc are all completely different
[02:28] <kosh> the only commonality is both where done by hans reiser
[02:29] <Dodger> i've got a problem with kded using 100% of one of my CPUs at all times
[02:29] <kosh> Dodger: kill it and restart it
[02:29] <Dodger> kill doesn't work
[02:29] <Dodger> i tried that
[02:29] <Dodger> it won't go away
[02:29] <kosh> kill -9 it
[02:30] <Dodger> ah that did it :)
[02:30] <Dodger> thanks
[02:30] <aaron_> penguin
[02:30] <jeekl> Dodger: kill -9 means "KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!1". Nothing survives that.
[02:30] <aaron_> linux rocks
[02:31] <miyako> geeze, I need to pick a faster mirror for downloading this is. 7 hours is forever.
[02:35] <Dark_Oppressor> im having trouble getting python2.4-zopeinterface to install, can someone take a look at the error im getting and see if they have any ideas?
[02:35] <Shannon1> hi everyone,, I have a question ,, is there a way to make menu transparent,, in breezy
[02:36] <Shannon1> cant seem to find the option anywhere
[02:37] <Jucato> Shannon1: System Settings > Appearance > Style > Effects tab > Menu effect drop-down list > Translucent
[02:38] <nixternal> Hello Everyone! In roughly 25 minutes, 01:00 UTC, in #ubuntu-classroom we will be giving a lesson on IRC. There will be a brief introduction to IRSSI, and a basic lesson on Konversation, Kubuntu's default IRC client. Everyone is welcome to join in. Thank you!
[02:39] <bcron> My kubuntu disk wasn't getting the job done so I installed Xubuntu and after it installed I apt got kubuntu-desktop... Is this any different an install as I would have gotten from the default Kubuntu?
[02:39] <scast> Hawkwind: Oh well. Updating... I didn't use your whole sources.list just because I don't know what's in most of them and I don't feel well using repositories that I don't know... :d
[02:39] <Shannon1> ha ah!  was seeing some transparent setting but was greyd out.. thx Jucato
[02:39] <Jucato> woow... Aaron Seigo was here... @_@
[02:40] <Jucato> Shannon1: no problem
[02:40] <Hawkwind> scast: No worries.  It's just there for users to have a list and to choose what they want from it
[02:42] <scast> Hawkwind: btw, nice site. Reading a lot in there.
[02:43] <miyako> does ubuntu ship with java, or is it available in one of the repositories?
[02:44] <visik7> miyako: is in universe
[02:44] <miyako> ok
[02:44] <miyako> sorry for all the dumb questions
[02:44] <Martijn81> !java > miyako
[02:45] <Martijn81> there's no such thing ;)
[02:45] <Jucato> visik7: java is in multiverse
[02:45] <Jucato> !java
[02:45] <miyako> just trying to get prepared so once the iso is downloaded I can install and have a working system as soon as possible
[02:45] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:45] <visik7> Jucato: yes sorry
[02:46] <Hawkwind> scast: Thanks :)
[02:46] <scast> I am trying to figure out how to install nvidia tho.
[02:46] <Jucato> visik7: no need to apologize :-)
[02:48] <scast> !nvidia
[02:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:48] <scast> ah nice.
[02:57] <Jucato> uniq: thanks for the tip in the forums, but it didn't work. I'm still having media:/ problems... :-(
[02:57] <Johncro13> 'ello, room.
[02:58] <Jucato> room says hi to Johncro13
[02:58] <Jucato> join #adept
[02:58] <Jucato> err...
[02:58] <Jucato> nothing there... @_@
[02:59] <Johncro13> I've got an interesting one.
[03:01] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom for a lesson in IRC
[03:01] <Johncro13> anyone know how to config libc6?
[03:01] <nixternal> Konversation will be my lecture for those interested!!!
[03:05] <Johncro13> la la la
[03:11] <Johncro13> any ideas?
[03:11] <nixternal> hehe Johncro13, hopefully someone will come along and help
[03:11] <nixternal> wish i could, but i would probably make it worse for ya ;)
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's the problem?
[03:13] <Johncro13> real easy.  I need wpa supplicant just to get on the web.
[03:14] <Johncro13> dig?
[03:14] <visik7> Johncro13: what kind of auth method do you use ?
[03:14] <Johncro13> I was just trying to instal the deb package.
[03:14] <visik7> wpa_supplicant is installed by default on dapper
[03:15] <Johncro13> is it really, then?
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> I assume that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo didn't help?
[03:16] <Johncro13> man, I looked all over.
[03:16] <Johncro13> that particular link uses apt-get.
[03:16] <Johncro13> i need to be online to use apt-get.
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well, if it's installed already, you probably don't need to apt-get it. ;)
[03:17] <Johncro13> well....yeah.
[03:18] <visik7> wpa-supplicant is installed by default to configure it take care of common wpa_supplicant configs and read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
[03:19] <Johncro13> did that.
[03:20] <visik7> so what's the problem ?
[03:20] <Johncro13> oddly still not working.
[03:20] <visik7> run ifup ethX and run wpa_cli
[03:20] <Johncro13> I'll have a look at my config file.  That might be it.
[03:20] <visik7> then run status inside wpa_cli
[03:21] <Johncro13> wpa_cli.  got it.
[03:23] <^martin-23^> hi people, question: when i install kubuntu, y saw a application like Ark that notice me the critical updates of kernel and more aplications, but i closed that app and never saw it, i cant find it, where is? (sorry for my english :P)
[03:24] <abattoir> ^martin-23^: 'adept_updater'
[03:24] <^martin-23^> thanks!
[03:27] <Jucato> ^martin-23^: if there are updates available, you'll see an icon in your system tray, an open box with a "!" that will tell you that updates are available
[03:27] <^martin-23^> thanks
[03:30] <os2mac> anyone wanna take bets I can get Kubuntu running on this http://www.itronix.com/products/notebooks/gobookiii.asp
[03:32] <simon___> Grr... !@#$%^&() nvidia driver.
[03:32] <sophie_> os2mac: is the challenge getting the gps module working also
[03:33] <simon___> I just installed the nvidia driver, did glx-config enable and now I can't start X.
[03:33] <simon___> This is amazing.
[03:33] <simon___> nick scast
[03:34] <sophie_> os2mac: also get the intergrated Radeon working in 3d with open source drivers
[03:35] <scast> Why is it *so* hard to get the freaking nvidia drivers working *g*
[03:35] <os2mac> I think just getting the hardware to work would be a problem.
[03:35] <rr72> scast~ it is hard but i got them working finally
[03:36] <scast> I had a lot of trouble with other distros, but in the only department I didn't have problem with is installing the nvidia drivers -_-
[03:37] <Hawkwind> scast: What's so hard about them ?  You install the packages via apt-get, edit your xorg.conf file on one line, restart X and they work
[03:37] <scast> Maybe the fact that you *can't* restart X anymore.
[03:37] <Hawkwind> Why can't you ?
[03:37] <rr72> did u manually do it or did u get the package?
[03:38] <Kr4t05> scast: ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:38] <Jucato> scast: could you check if the linux-restricted-modules-xxxx that you have matches with the linux-image-xxxx youo are using?
[03:38] <scast> I got the package from the repositories, I am not going to download and manually do something. I just installed kubuntu.
[03:38] <scast> Jucato: Yes, but let me check.
[03:38] <scast> Hawkwind: no idea.
[03:38] <rr72> make sure modile "DLI" or somin like taht is not in ur Xorg config file and that nv has changed to nvidia
[03:39] <rr72> !nvidia > scast
[03:39] <rr72> follow that it works
[03:39] <rr72> thats how i finally did it
[03:39] <Jucato> !nvidia
[03:39] <scast> rr72: I did follow that.
[03:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:39] <rr72> what errors?
[03:39] <rr72> or is it just not working?
[03:40] <Jucato> rr72: the funny thing about that nvidia wiki... there's no Kubuntu-specific version...
[03:40] <scast> Where is the X11 errors log?
[03:40] <rr72> /var/log/xorg
[03:40] <rr72> then tab-complete
[03:40] <scast> Jucato: that's the same thing I said when I saw "Go to the [add here a gnome menu] "
[03:40] <Jucato> at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:40] <rr72> Jucato~ worked for me
[03:40] <Hawkwind> scast: /var/log/Xorg.0.log actually
[03:41] <rr72> but i had to reset my xorg config file
[03:41] <Jucato> scast: so do you have matching linux-image and linux-restricted-modules versions?
[03:41] <rr72> since i thought it was messed ip
[03:41] <Hawkwind> There is no such directory as /var/log/xorg
[03:41] <macd>  /var/log/X11/
[03:41] <Jucato> rr72: which means you had synaptic installed...
[03:41] <Hawkwind> macd: No such directory as that either
[03:41] <rr72> Jucato~ i don't use synaptic
[03:41] <macd>  hmm, exists here
[03:42] <macd> suppose thats due to my own doing though
[03:42] <scast> Jucato: yes.
[03:42] <Hawkwind> macd: Doubtful.  Maybe /etc/X11
[03:42] <scast> Apparently the error is "Fatal error: no screens found"
[03:42] <Hawkwind> macd: Unless you created it yourself for some strange reason
[03:42] <Jucato> rr72: instruction #1 goes: "Select the System menu at the top of the screen."
[03:42] <rr72> get a new xorg config file
[03:42] <rr72> Jucato~ i just looked for the pack names and apt-get them
[03:42] <scast> I think it's something that has to do with the BusID
[03:43] <scast> damn it I wish I know how to copy from a tty lawl
[03:43] <bubu1uk[Away] > what is newest kernel in repositories?
[03:43] <macd> david@mobile2:~$ ls /var/log/X11/
[03:43] <macd> Xorg.0.log
[03:43] <macd> Ive been known to do wierder thigs :P
[03:43] <rr72> scast~ try to sudo dpkg-reconfig -phigh xserver-xog
[03:43] <Jucato> rr72: ah... but the guide is supposed to be for someone using a GUI, right?
[03:43] <rr72> *xorg
[03:43] <rr72> that will reset ur xorg config file
[03:43] <rr72> to defualt
[03:43] <scast> I got it. It was the BusID
[03:44] <scast> I commented it and it worked.
[03:44] <rr72> i was worried about mine too
[03:44] <rr72> just left mine tho, it works
[03:44] <rr72> pci:0:0?
[03:45] <rr72> Jucato~ i presume so
[03:45] <scast> Brb.
[03:46] <scast> hmmm
[03:46] <scast> 1024x768 -_- How do I get 1280x1024 ? rawr
[03:47] <rr72> edit ur xorg config file if u don't see it in the display properties under advanced
[03:47] <Jucato> I thought that the Display control module they added in Dapper would make changes like that easier in GUI...
[03:48] <scast> It's never going to be easy.
[03:49] <scast> brb
[03:49] <Jucato> yeah, switching video drivers, even using the free/open source ones, has never been easy...
[03:58] <simon___> why is switching virtual desktops is so slow?
[04:00] <justjosh> cuz your computer is lazy, of course. slap it and tell it to shape up.
[04:00] <justjosh> !chmod
[04:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about chmod - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:04] <justjosh> dammit. how can i set permissions on the firefox directory (and where the hell is it) to allow me to save profiles. it won't even save bookmarks currently.
[04:06] <rr72> hey soulrider
[04:08] <soulrider> hey hye rr72
[04:08] <soulrider> i think im gonna request some Free kubuntu Cd's :P
[04:08] <rr72> cool
[04:08] <soulrider> i need to convince more people to install it
[04:08] <soulrider> or at least try it
[04:09] <soulrider> so much better than that M$ crap
[04:09] <rr72> i just upgraded to kde 3.4.5 or 5.4 what ever it is
[04:09] <soulrider> :O
[04:09] <soulrider> let me see if i got the latest
[04:09] <Jucato> justjosh: the profiles are supposed to be in ~/.mozilla, which means it should be writeable for you...
[04:10] <justjosh> there's the /etc/mozilla-firefox directory
[04:10] <valkyria> hi everyone
[04:10] <justjosh> and then the /usr/lib/mozilla-fox
[04:10] <Jucato> justjosh: I mean /home/[username] /,mozilla
[04:10] <valkyria> does anybody knows which library I need for playing MP3
[04:10] <Jucato> it's a hidden directory in your user's home folder
[04:11] <Jucato> valkyria: libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository
[04:11] <Jucato> !mp3
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:12] <justjosh> jucato: i've got write permissions to it, but it won't save bookmarks or preference settings.
[04:12] <Jucato> hmm... that's strange then
[04:13] <Jucato> did you install firefox from the Ubuntu repositories, or using another method?
[04:13] <justjosh> automatix
[04:13] <justjosh> should i try a reinstall using repositories?
[04:13] <Jucato> I'm not familiar how automatix installs Firefox...
[04:14] <Jucato> justjosh: if you can remove it using Automatix, then just install the one from the repositories
[04:14] <Jucato> It's very much (almost) up to date
[04:23] <scast> brb
[04:25] <justjosh> ah, got it. my wife had the bookmarks in a profile other than default.
[04:25] <Jucato> oh...
[04:25] <justjosh> run it in konsole w/ -profilemanager switch
[04:26] <justjosh> dump default and make the one she created the only one. now everything works
[04:27] <justjosh> streamtuner is absolutely lovely btw
[04:27] <scast> What else besides Katapult does Kubuntu load in the default session?
[04:28] <Jucato> scast: you could check /usr/share/autostart ?
[04:28] <scast> Let me check that.
[04:29] <Jucato> !mp3 > valkyria
[04:30] <scast> How do I remove the password from root?
[04:30] <scast> (I did sudo passwd)
[04:31] <scast> !root
[04:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't think it lets you leave the root password blank. (even if you have enabled it)
[04:31] <Jucato> !multiverse
[04:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:31] <Jucato> !multiverse > valkyria
[04:32] <scast> brb
[04:33] <scast> _again_
[04:38] <simon___> Hmmm... how do I get them back? rawr... I don't want to load the things I left open when I closed my session but I do want to load the /usr/share/autostart stuff -_-
[04:39] <Jucato> simon___ or simon__: System Settings > KDE Components > Session Manager > Start with an Empty Session
[04:40] <simon___> Yea, but that does not load /usr/share/autostart stuff
[04:40] <simon___> grr
[04:40] <Jucato> scast: which /usr/share/autostart stuff don't load?
[04:41] <scast> Uhmm no
[04:41] <Jucato> you can put your own "startup" programs in /home/[username] /.kde/Autostart
[04:41] <scast> hmm wait a second...
[04:41] <scast> now I think I fucked this lawl.
[04:42] <scast> When I try to open adept or audacity I get a
[04:42] <scast> Su returned with an error
[04:42] <scast> -_-
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> What error?
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try using kdesu <app>
[04:43] <scast> there is not output besides some x error
[04:44] <scast> brb
[04:51] <scast> Well the stuff in /usr/share/autostart does load. But I mean the stuff like katapult used to load everytime I started my session
[04:53] <Jucato> you can just link to Katapult in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:53] <scast> I guess.
[04:56] <Jucato> anyone have any success with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4??
[04:56] <scast> I just wonder why did it stop working :\
[04:57] <Jucato> scast: I'm not sure where sessions save their settings, but my guess would be that Katapult was one of those things not really Autostarted but saved in a session
[04:59] <scast> Yea, I guess it's not the best way to do it.
[05:00] <Jucato> probably. :-D
[05:00] <scast> I guess the developers have their reasons to do it like that. I am no one to say how to do something anyway.
[05:01] <Jucato> but putting Kapatult in /usr/share/autostart would mean that it will be loaded always, no matter what user account is used, because it's a system-wide autostart
[05:01] <scast> Maybe that's why.
[05:02] <scast> but Katapult is really useful.
[05:02] <Jucato> and you really can't put it in the ~/.kde/Autostart by default, because the user account is created only during installation.
[05:02] <Jucato> scast: yeah, one of my fave apps in KDE is Katapult :-D
[05:03] <scast> Yes! We got into one of the darkest misteries in the kubuntu world!
[05:03] <Jucato> lol
[05:06] <scast> Jucato: anyway I already added it to my Autostart. I am just waiting 'till synaptic finish updating (~1 hour downloads left).
[05:06] <Jucato> scast: just checking: how did you add it to Autostart?
[05:07] <scast> I open up konqueror, press ctrl+shift+l, in one view I went to applications:/ and in another to the ~/.kde/Autostart. The rest is history (drag'n'drop ftw)...
[05:08] <Jucato> ok. just checking :-D
[05:08] <scast> Splitted views + Konqueror + FTP > any ftp program in the world.
[05:08] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:08] <Jucato> exactly!
[05:09] <kosh> being able to ftp when you just open the file and have it save back is even better and that can be done trasnparently from the file open/save dialog box
[05:09] <scast> kosh: that is great also.
[05:10] <scast> After hating System Settings now I love it. Before it took me like 6 hours to configure kde to work fine. Now ~15min or less.
[05:10] <kosh> 6 hours to configure kde, from a fresh install I can do it in about 15 minutes and my setup is very strange compared to default
[05:11] <Jucato> scast: then I have good news for you. System Settings will have a new look come Edgy
[05:11] <scast> Well I don't know if 6 hours, but more than 3 rawr.
[05:11] <scast> Edgy?
[05:11] <Jucato> Edgy Eft, the next major Ubuntu realse
[05:11] <Jucato> s/realse/release
[05:11] <scast> when is that?
[05:12] <scast> when is going that be released?
[05:12] <scast> 6 months?
[05:12] <Jucato> coming October of this year (supposedly)
[05:12] <Hiryu> has eclipse just decided to break on anyone else?
[05:12] <soulrider> Hiryu: yes
[05:12] <soulrider> i could never really uinstalle clipse fromt he repos
[05:12] <soulrider> only once, adn then it dissappeared
[05:13] <soulrider> i ahd to dl it from the site
[05:13] <soulrider> and palce it on my home folder for it to work
[05:13] <Hiryu> the eclipse from apt doesn't work with gjc or sun's jdk, however, if I download it manually and extract it and run it from my $HOME, it's fine
[05:13] <Hiryu> haha
[05:13] <Hiryu> yeh
[05:13] <Hiryu> precisely
[05:13] <Hiryu> that's far better than nothing
[05:13] <soulrider> well
[05:13] <soulrider> i insatlled it ocne with the repos
[05:13] <soulrider> and it worked!
[05:13] <soulrider> but it just dissappeared
[05:13] <Hiryu> but the eclipse I had from apt was working like 2 days ago (that was the last time I used it anyway)
[05:13] <soulrider> yea
[05:14] <soulrider> besides, wclipse in linux works so much better than in windows
[05:14] <Hiryu> soulrider: I dunno about that, seems the same. Although it's faster in Windows because SWT sucks in anything but windows
[05:14] <Hiryu> people say how great SWT is and how fast it is... it's only fast in windows
[05:15] <soulrider> well, ive felt it was much faster here
[05:15] <miyako> hi, I'm having a bit of trouble installing Kubuntu.  When I try to edit the partition table, I create the root partition, then I try to create another partition but the installer goes strait into trying to finalize the partition table.
[05:15] <soulrider> at least loading times
[05:15] <soulrider> mind you, i still dont know how to make non console apps :P
[05:17] <Hiryu> ok, gotta go
[05:17] <soulrider> kk
[05:17] <soulrider> see ya
[05:17] <anonymeeee> cups admin isn't letting me add a printer, not accepting my username and password
[05:18] <Jucato> anyone else having problems with media:/ in the new KDE 3.5.4?
[05:18] <miyako> anyone have any ideas?
[05:18] <Dark_Oppressor> how do i tell apt-get to stop downloading for now and give me back shell?
[05:18] <soulrider> Jucato: i kind of have
[05:18] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: Ctrl+C will abruptly stop apt-get.
[05:18] <soulrider> it will show me my linux drive, a FAT 32 partition but it wont show me my NTFS partitions
[05:19] <Jucato> but you can also just open a new session in Konsole if you need to do something else while apt-get is running
[05:19] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato: thanks
[05:20] <Jucato> soulrider: is the NTFS mounted during boot? my problem is that partitions that are unmounted at startup don't appear in media:/
[05:20] <soulrider> not sure
[05:20] <soulrider> im  using that ntfs-3g driver
[05:20] <soulrider> i think thetre not mounted at boot
[05:21] <scast> I am reading about Edgy... hmmm, so kubuntu users are getting Compiz as the default windeco?
[05:21] <soulrider> link ?
[05:21] <Jucato> scast: I don't think so
[05:21] <abattoir> scast: huh? compiz a windeco?
[05:21] <XVampireX> scast: KDE4 will have a compositor in kwin
[05:21] <scast> as the window manager whatever that is caled.
[05:22] <Jucato> it just means that a more recent beta of Compiz could be downloaded/installed
[05:22] <scast> called.
[05:22] <Jucato> xgl/compiz is already available in Dapper, but an older version
[05:22] <Jucato> Things I'm looking forward to Edgy: better USplash image capablities and new System Settings layout
[05:22] <XVampireX> I don't like version freeze
[05:23] <Jucato> I wish that they could make System Settings customizable or at least have a small customizable version where you can just put your "most used" control modules
[05:23] <scast> ;o
[05:23] <miyako> ok, now the installer just crashed :(
[05:24] <miyako> maybe I should just go back and try suse :(
[05:24] <chotchki_> hey guys i need a newer version of sane than is currently availible (1.0.18 instead of 1.0.17) can anyone tell me how to build it? i have tried to build a deb but i keep running into issues
[05:24] <soulrider> Jucato: link to what you were reading?
[05:24] <abattoir> miyako: where did it exactly crash?
[05:24] <scast> XVampireX: i know there is somework done in making a compositor manager in kwin, but kde 4 is scheduled to december/early 2007
[05:24] <miyako> abattoir: during editing the parition table
[05:24] <Jucato> which one? the USplash or the System Settings changes?
[05:24] <scast> Jucato: both rawr.
[05:24] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:24] <Jucato> wait let me look it up
[05:24] <XVampireX> scast: Yeah, tech preview in october
[05:24] <XVampireX> this year
[05:25] <abattoir> miyako: what is your disk layout?
[05:25] <Jucato> XVampireX: Edgy will be released in october, not tech preview, right?
[05:26] <miyako> abattoir: right now I have an SATA drive that is in 3 partitions, and an ATA drive at /dev/hdac plugged into an IDE Controller/RAID card.
[05:26] <miyako> I was attempting to edit the /dev/sda partition when it crashed.
[05:26] <Jucato> System Settings Usability changes: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsUsability
[05:26] <Jucato> latest and greatest in Edgy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8 (scroll down a bit :-D )
[05:27] <abattoir> miyako: hmmm... partitioning 'always' crashes(in the installer) ?
[05:27] <abattoir> miyako: or is this the first time you are trying?
[05:27] <miyako> abattoir: yes, I've tried it 3 times
[05:27] <miyako> and it's reproducable
[05:27] <soulrider> thanks
[05:28] <Jucato> scast: the System Settings link has photos
[05:28] <miyako> if it would be helpful, I can reproduce the crash and then paste the exact error
[05:28] <soulrider> i wonder if the launch of vista will be a total failure
[05:28] <Jucato> soulrider: aren't you wondering when exactly Vista will really be released? @_@
[05:29] <XVampireX> jucato: Edgy will have not KDE4 no matter, what, too early, heh
[05:29] <soulrider> lol
[05:29] <abattoir> miyako: that might be helpful, could you pastebin all the three files the installer mentions during the crash?
[05:29] <Jucato> XVampireX: oh, were you talking about a tech preview for KDE 4? I was talking about Edgy Eft being released in October
[05:29] <XVampireX> Heh
[05:29] <XVampireX> Yeah, was talking about KDE4
[05:29] <miyako> yes, I'll do that right now
[05:30] <Jucato> sorry bout that XVampireX
[05:30] <XVampireX> np
[05:30] <Jucato> but I'm definitely going to get that tech preview
[05:30] <XVampireX> haha
[05:30] <XVampireX> Nah, I'll just watch previews
[05:30] <abattoir> miyako: /var/log/installer/syslog /var/log/partman(<--not sure, but this is the important one) var
[05:30] <XVampireX> I'll wait for the final release
[05:30] <Jucato> the excitement is making me wet in my pants :-D
[05:30] <XVampireX> Or at least beta
[05:30] <Jucato> I wonder which distro is going to get distribute it first?
[05:31] <XVampireX> Jucato: I'm not excited like that... but it does sound extremely good
[05:31] <XVampireX> Most likely Kubuntu
[05:31] <XVampireX> Due to release cycle
[05:31] <Dark_Oppressor> is there a way to make pressing the middle mouse button function like in windows?(it makes a circle type thing, and then moving the mouse around scrolls)
[05:32] <XVampireX> Though maybe smaller distros too
[05:32] <rus1> Question: When I set up the action in system settings for my laptop to suspend to ram when I close the lid it works great. How can I make it suspend to ram without closing the lid?
[05:32] <Jucato> hmm.. is it allowed to have some "controversial" discussions/debates in her
[05:32] <miyako> abattoir: /var/log/installer/syslog is really long
[05:32] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: yes
[05:32] <miyako> do you really want me to pastebin the whole thing, or just a specific part of it
[05:32] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: in Konqueror or in Firefox?
[05:32] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato, firefox
[05:32] <Jucato> wait let me launch it
[05:32] <abattoir> miyako: hmm... it wouldnt hurt would it? :P The more info the better
[05:32] <Dark_Oppressor> although konquerer would be nice too
[05:32] <abattoir> !pastebin
[05:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:33] <XVampireX> Jucato: It's allowed, sometimes... when there's no tech support but you can bet on #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic though there are more people in ubuntu-offtopic
[05:33] <Jucato> Edit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"
[05:33] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: Edit > Preferences > Advanced options > check "Use Autoscrolling"
[05:34] <Jucato> XVampireX: I mean,a controversial discussion related to Kubuntu
[05:34] <miyako> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19911 there is the first one (/etc/syslog/installer/syslog I think)
[05:34] <Jucato> Dark_Oppressor: that behavior is default in Konqueror
[05:34] <XVampireX> Jucato: same thing
[05:34] <Dark_Oppressor> Jucato: thanks, awesome
[05:35] <Jucato> oh...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah yeah.  your opinion is that we should use the kde defaults?
[05:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: huh?
[05:35] <miyako> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19912 there is the second one (/var/log/syslog)
[05:35] <abattoir> miyako: are you trying to partition/resize an ntfs drive?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sorry, what was the contraversial discussion related to kubuntu?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'd assumed that related to your next comment
[05:36] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: we might get snapshots for testing of kde 4, maybe.  we'll see.
[05:36] <Jucato> nevermind... don't want to get into trouble, since I'm new here. ^_^
[05:36] <abattoir> Hobbsee: nope, that was his answer to another question :)
[05:36] <miyako> abattoir: yes, can I not do that?
[05:36] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: You're one of the Kubuntu developers? :P
[05:36] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yes
[05:36] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ah right.
[05:36] <XVampireX> heh
[05:36] <XVampireX> Neat
[05:36] <Jucato> wow cool
[05:36] <abattoir> miyako: no, afaik, ntfs write, and hence, its partitioning is not supported
[05:36] <Hobbsee> abattoir: you're going to be at thursday's meeting, and know of the change in date?
[05:37] <abattoir> Hobbsee: (your) Thursday?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: no, yours.  my friday morning
[05:37] <miyako> abattoir: ah, alright.  Well no windows for me I guess, I figgured since I had to pay the windows tax on this machine I might as well keep it around in a small partition just in case.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> The next meeting is planned for Thursday August 10, at 21UTC, in the usual
[05:37] <Hobbsee> channel.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ^
[05:37] <scast> 38min left *eek*
[05:37] <Jucato> I was actually going to ask about the Ubuntu development cycle in relation to KDE releases... but don't want to get in hot water...
[05:37] <abattoir> miyako: you could use one of those demo versions of windows partitioning tools to resize your ntfs partition
[05:38] <abattoir> Hobbsee: cool, i'll be there ;)
[05:38] <Jucato> oh Hobbsee, since you're a Kubuntu dev: is there something wrong with media:/ in KDE 3.5.4?
[05:38] <abattoir> * :)
[05:38] <XVampireX> I love the idea of phonon/solid/plasma
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: quite likely.  there's usually something wrong with that.
[05:38] <miyako> abattoir: honestly, I don't care that much.  Linux has been my only OS for years, I don't need windows, just thought that if it was possible I might try keeping it around just in case.  It probably would have just taken up HD space anyway.
[05:38] <Jucato> Great... KDE 3.5.4 has solved some of my problems, but added this one. :-D
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they talked a couple of times about delaying kubuntu by a few weeks each release.  i dont think they were planning to delay kubuntu for kde4 or something
[05:39] <Hobbsee> it gets to be a bit of a pain if kubuntu releases differently from ubuntu.
[05:39] <abattoir> miyako: aah, then its cool :)
[05:39] <miyako> I'm just comming from the SuSE/RedHat world, so kubuntu is completely new to me.
[05:39] <miyako> SuSE supported resizing NTFS partitions (experimentally) so I thought kubuntu might.
[05:39] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: make sure to get new program versions in edgy >_< For example mplayer pre8 or whatever it was
[05:39] <scast> Hobbsee: are you a kubuntu developer?
[05:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I see. I was wondering about this since I got into a discussion with jsgotangco about why KDE upgrades aren't available in the Ubuntu repos.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what about media:/?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: understand the concept of time based releases, and feature freeze?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> scast: yes.
[05:40] <XVampireX> I hate feature freeze
[05:40] <XVampireX> and version freeze
[05:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: about media:/ - partitions that are not mounted at startup don't show up in media:/
[05:40] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: bleh.  i'm not sure what's happening with that particular one, if you're interested, make sure it happens.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh...useful of it.  does /media/ work instead?
[05:40] <unix_infidel> does anyone here have a logitech cordless mouse and keyboard and gotten it to work in linux?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think that problem relates to lots of kde releases, for some weird and warped reason.
[05:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes. when I mount it manually (after starting up), they can be accessed through /media/, but still don't show in media:/
[05:41] <miyako> abattoir: since I'm going to erase the entire drive, does auto partitioning work sanely, or should I do it manually?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah :(
[05:41] <Hobbsee> is
[05:41] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: I'd need to figure out how to make a package that would most likely work on all computers then
[05:41] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: logitech make a lot of mice and keyboards :P
[05:41] <scast> Hobbsee: I was talking with Jucato about when I changed the session management option to start with a new empty session it won't load  katapult anymore by default. We got to the conclussion that it can't add to /usr/share/autostart or add it in installation time to ~/.kde/Autostart. Are we right?
[05:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh, so this is a Kubuntu-KDE 3.5.4 bug?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: grab the source, upgrade it.
[05:42] <unix_infidel> Hobbsee: that the question.
[05:42] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Don't worry, I'll get to it
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not sure.  i've a feeling that it could be.
[05:42] <Jucato> lol. announce that you're a dev and get flooded with questions. sorry about that...
[05:42] <unix_infidel> what i asked was if anyone had gotten their WIRELESS keyboads and mice (RF not BT)
[05:42] <unix_infidel> to work in linux
[05:42] <abattoir> miyako: from what i've heard, its the best of the methods, but I, for one, wouldnt give up my entire hd to one os, and would partition it according to my needs...
[05:42] <unix_infidel> (Kubuntu)
[05:42] <miyako> yeah, it looks like it just uses / for one big partition
[05:43] <Hobbsee> unix_infidel: ahhh...you didnt add the wireless bit in there that i could see.  check in !hardware and see if someone's got it listed, or use google, i guess
[05:43] <abattoir> miyako: also avoid xfs... xfs and grub dont like to co-exist
[05:43] <miyako> I want to put /home on a seperate partition from / so that if I install a different distro I don't have to spend years backing up.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: Mine works by default
[05:43] <Hobbsee> scast: yes, you're right.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe, true.  my hostmask kinda does that too.
[05:43] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: RF?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: RF ?
[05:43] <abattoir> miyako: yes, that's wise :)
[05:43] <Jucato> scast: I'm not sure, but Kix also isn't started anymore when you start from an empty session
[05:43] <Hobbsee> miyako: smart move.  i do that.
[05:43] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: radio not bluetooth.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: Oh, yes
[05:43] <unix_infidel> it wirelessly connects to a reciever.
[05:43] <miyako> of course I'm never sure how big to make /
[05:43] <Hawkwind> I don't use bluetooth anything
[05:43] <scast> Hobbsee: Besides katapult, what else the default session loads?
[05:44] <Jucato> miyako: 10GB for / is more than enough IMHO
[05:44] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good evening
[05:44] <Jucato> scast: Katapult and KMix I think
[05:44] <Hobbsee> scast: only the absolute essential services for kde to run?  "empty" really does mean that
[05:44] <abattoir> Hawkwind: hi :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: kmix doesnt auto load in an empty session.
[05:44] <unix_infidel> LOL
[05:44] <unix_infidel> abattoir=the slaughterhouse.
[05:44] <scast> rawr
[05:44] <miyako> ok, 20GB /, 2GB /swap, how big should /boot be?  only needs to be like 20 megs or so doesn't it?
[05:45] <abattoir> unix_infidel: :)
[05:45] <Dark_Oppressor> ive installed nvidia-glx and run nvidia-xconfig, but only one of my two monitors is being detected, therefore i cant use twinview, do i need to edit xorg.conf in some way to get my other monitor to be seen?
[05:45] <unix_infidel> that's awesome.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> miyako: i dotn bother with a separate /boot
[05:45] <scast> Hobbsee: not in the empty session. The default session. I mean the session you got the first time you log on after install...
[05:45] <abattoir> miyako: /boot would be a good idea if you want xfs
[05:45] <miyako> ok, so I just need like 20GB /, 2GB /swap and then the rest for /home
[05:45] <unix_infidel> i just remembered that from like 8th grade vocab ;P
[05:45] <miyako> I'm just going to use EXT3
[05:45] <Jucato> miyako: 2GB swap? might be a tad too much. how much RAM do you have?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> miyako: Most people don't use /boot, only old school linux users, like myself :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> scast: ohh...yeah.  right.  cant remember i got the last one of them.
[05:45] <abattoir> miyako: ok, then /boot isnt necesary
[05:45] <miyako> Jucato: I have 2GB of ram
[05:46] <Jucato> miyako: then you wouldn't need that much swap
[05:46] <Hawkwind> miyako: I use /boot on ReiserFS and I only make it like 200MB at the very most
[05:46] <miyako> and /swap should be between 1x and 2x the amount of ram shouldnt it?
[05:46] <scast> Hobbsee: oh well. Fine.
[05:46] <abattoir> unix_infidel: from french class? ;)
[05:46] <Hawkwind> miyako: If you have 2GB of ram, 512MB of swap is more than enough
[05:46] <miyako> yeah, I'm old school, I dunno how to do stuff on these new fangled linux distros lol
[05:46] <Hobbsee> scast: ie, "i dont know" :P
[05:46] <Jucato> miyako: I think that principle only applies if you have lower than 512MB RAM
[05:46] <scast> Hobbsee: hahaha, it's ok :-)
[05:47] <Hawkwind> miyako: I have 2GB of RAM in this box and only have 512MB of /swap and it never gets touched
[05:47] <scast> Hobbsee: katapult and kmix are the only ones you can remember?
[05:47] <Jucato> scast: those are the only one "I" can remember
[05:47] <Jucato> :p
[05:47] <Hobbsee> scast: more that i dont remember any of them :P
[05:47] <scast> ^^
[05:47] <scast> well, whatever, empty session > *
[05:47] <miyako> yeah, but I do a lot of heavy 3D rendering which is a major ram hog
[05:47] <scast> rawr
[05:48] <Jucato> miyako:  then probably 1GB swap would be enough. You could always use a swap file later if you need more
[05:48] <miyako> yeah
[05:48] <Tm_T> well, larger swap partition maybe doesn't do harm either
[05:49] <Jucato> miyako: any reason you would need a 20GB / partition?
[05:49] <scast> do I need to stop kde to update it?
[05:49] <Jucato> Tm_T: except that it's easier to add a swap file later on than to resize partitions :-D
[05:49] <Jucato> scast: nope
[05:49] <miyako> Jucato: not specifically, but I have a lot of space so i might as well I guess
[05:49] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, yeah if you already done partitioning ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> miyako: well, wouldn't you want that space to be in your /home instead? :-D
[05:50] <scast> 40 packages left ^^
[05:50] <Tm_T> yeah, I have that much stuff installed etc
[05:50] <miyako> Jucato: if 20GB is going to make a difference, then I will probably be getting another HD anyway ;)
[05:50] <Jucato> scast: just log out and log back in to make some changes take effect. just some
[05:51] <Jucato> miyako: ehehe good point. I just prefer to go the minimalistic route. :-D
[05:51] <miyako> I'm a maximalist
[05:51] <Jucato> anyway, you could also just "steal" some space from / later on if you need it
[05:51] <Tm_T> mr aseigo :)
[05:51] <Jucato> the magic of symlinks and chmod
[05:51] <miyako> going to put another 2GB of ram in this machine tomorrow ^_^
[05:51] <Jucato> miyako: wow!
[05:52] <Tm_T> miyako: oh boy, I have only one gig ram and that's just not enough :(
[05:52] <Jucato> I wish I had that much RAM...
[05:52] <miyako> I was on a slow ram starved box for long enough
[05:52] <miyako> I'm tired of waiting 30+ hours on renders, while my machine crawls and is useless for anything
[05:52] <scast> I have 384mb. I have eclipse always open with a firefox windows with 15 tabs and I am more than fine!
[05:52] <Jucato> I've been using a box with 128MB RAM for almost 3 years (2002-2004)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I hate when celestia hogs over 3 G mem, filling my swap
[05:53] <Jucato> then 256MB for another 2 years...
[05:53] <miyako> went from a 1.9gz with 512 megs of ram to a dual core 3gz with 2 gigs of ram now, another 2 tomorrow so 4 gigs of ram
[05:53] <Jucato> oh crap...
[05:53] <Jucato> didn't notice the time
[05:53] <Jucato> see you guys later!
[05:53] <scast> I want a Core 2 Duo
[05:53] <Jucato> bye!
[05:53] <scast> Jucato: cya
[05:53] <miyako> bye Jucato
[05:53] <Tm_T> miyako: sounds good base for heavy rendering etc
[05:53] <scast> take care.
[05:54] <miyako> yeah, now if I could only find a way to make money rendering instead of it just being a money sink lol
[05:54] <Tm_T> haha
[05:54] <Tm_T> miyako: for fun use of that powerhouse, play around with celestia and large textures ;)
[05:55] <Tm_T> you might find a way to make that swap :p
[05:55] <miyako> I'm going to try to see how fast I can run: while(true) fork();
[05:55] <miyako> lol
[05:55] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:55] <scast> make your bets. I made a sources.list with the source-o-matic website. I added *all* the repositories... How long this install last before breaking or needing a reinstall?
[05:55] <Tm_T> I just kill my cpu with kde4 ->
[05:56] <abattoir> Tm_T: ugh.... really?
[05:56] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:56] <abattoir> Tm_T: 'morning, btw :)
[05:56] <miyako> I was thinking of playing around with KDE4, plasma seems nice
[05:56] <Tm_T> abattoir: morning :)
[05:57] <Tm_T> aseigo: btw is there kscd replacement already?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> LOL @ killing my system with KDE4
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Tm_T: You must be bored
[05:57] <Tm_T> Hawkwind: system is different than cpu
[05:57] <miyako> ok, another quick question.
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Tm_T: Hah!  I did read that wrong :P
[05:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:58] <Tm_T> miyako: make it really fast
[05:58] <miyako> Running from the LiveCD with nothing open except the installer, a terminal, and Konversation, nothing should be using my hard drive, right?
[05:58] <aseigo> Tm_T: not tha ti know of =)
[05:58] <scast> I like to open 30 tabs in firefox, that kills my system/cpu whatever.
[05:58] <abattoir> miyako: the installer(obv.) :P
[05:58] <miyako> well, other than that
[05:58] <Tm_T> aseigo: ok, just a bit interested about situation, I hope there will be some light solution (nothing like "use amarok")
[05:58] <abattoir> miyako: it shouldnt no... unmount it if you want
[05:58] <scast> miyako: just make sure you didnt mount any hard drive partition
[05:58] <scast> rawr
[05:58] <miyako> in other words, I can say yes to the stern warning about making sure that all partitions are umounted
[05:59] <miyako> so am i going to have to say goodbye while the installer runs?
[05:59] <abattoir> miyako: hmm, you are in the same session as the one where the crash ocurred?
[05:59] <miyako> abattoir: yes
[05:59] <abattoir> miyako: anyways, you have no data to lose... so no problem
[06:00] <abattoir> miyako: could you do me a favour? :P
[06:00] <Hawkwind> And even if you did................Just kidding :P
[06:00] <abattoir> hehe
[06:00] <miyako> abattoir: what?
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: when the partitioner gives you that warning message, could you take a prntscreen and pastebin it?
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: if its not too much of a trouble?
[06:01] <miyako> which warning message?
[06:01] <scast> 20 packages left
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: about data being lost... the grammatically incorrect one
[06:01] <scast> *eek*
[06:01] <abattoir> miyako: nvm, you carry on...
[06:01] <miyako> ah, sorry, I already made sure everything was umounted, then clicked ok and wrote the partition table
[06:02] <abattoir> miyako: no problem, i just thought of something else... thanks anyways :)
[06:02] <miyako> I dunno why a 20gb / partition seems small...it just does
[06:02] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Heh.  What are you going to do with the screenshot ?
[06:03] <miyako> ah well
[06:03] <Hawkwind> miyako: I only have 26GB for my / at the moment.  And I have 650GB+ of hdd space in this box
[06:03] <scast> miyako: it is small.
[06:04] <abattoir> Hawkwind: there are some mistakes in the partitioning warning dialog... but i just realised it was from qt parted, and i could easily get those by installing qt parted... but to answer your question, to show the devs the msg, so it could be patched, if possible.
[06:04] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Ahhh, gotcha
[06:04] <rus1> Question: When I set up the behavior in system settings to suspend to RAM when I close my laptop lid, it works great. How can I tell it to suspend to RAM without closing the lid?
[06:04] <miyako> scast: It seems so, but I can't imagine how I would have 20GB worth of software installed, since everything else is going to live in /home
[06:04] <miyako> and most stuff I install I install to ~/bin anyway
[06:05] <scast> why not a huge / ?
[06:05] <miyako> scast: because with / and /home being seperate partitions, I can upgrade or change distros without ever having to worry about backing up and restoring my personal files
[06:06] <scast> uhmm you are right.
[06:06] <Hawkwind> miyako: Hopefully :)
[06:06] <miyako> well, that's why I backup anyway
[06:06] <miyako> hopefully I won't have to USE the backups
[06:07] <miyako> are nvidias binary drivers in any sort of repository, or do I need to get them off the nvidia website?
[06:08] <scast> miyako: around 18k
[06:10] <Hawkwind> miyako: You can apt-get install them from the repos
[06:10] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > miyako
[06:10] <unix_infidel> http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html
[06:10] <unix_infidel> aye caramba!
[06:11] <Hawkwind> Old news :P
[06:13] <babag> just installed kubuntu 6.0.6 and tried right off to play an xvid avi.
[06:13] <babag> no picture in kaffeine.
[06:13] <babag> do i need to install something no directly included for xvid playback?
[06:15] <rus1> babag: I know this isn't quite what you're going for, but I would try VLC
[06:16] <babag> rus1: i bet that's something i have to install.
[06:16] <rus1> Yes.
[06:16] <babag> from the cd?
[06:16] <unix_infidel> babag: or you can just install the xvid codecs.
[06:16] <unix_infidel> like you would from windows.
[06:16] <babag> new to this from mandriva.
[06:16] <rus1> that's a better solution, but I can't tell you how to do that.
[06:16] <babag> different packages?
[06:17] <unix_infidel> babag: google xvid and ubuntu
[06:17] <babag> trying that
[06:17] <miyako> ok, installation is complete, I'll be back after a reboot into the installed system.
[06:21] <Hawkwind> babag: Welcome!  Nice to see you making the change too :)
[06:21] <soulrider> !mds
[06:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about mds - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:22] <soulrider> !alcohol
[06:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about alcohol - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:24] <babag> hey hawkwind!
[06:24] <babag> trying things out for the first time.
[06:25] <Hawkwind> babag: Good good.  I made the switch about 1 1/2 months ago now.  I won't go back to Mandriva.  Kubuntu is too darn nice :)
[06:26] <Hawkwind> babag: And you know me, I used Mandriva for 4 1/2+ years and was very dedicated to it
[06:27] <babag> Hawkwind: very dedicated. helped me out plenty.
[06:28] <babag> i just installed kubuntu. figured i was used to kde and hardly a power user.
[06:28] <Hawkwind> babag: Not sure if you ever used my SoS repo for Mandriva, but I'm now setting up a Ubuntu SoS repo :)
[06:28] <babag> yay
[06:29] <babag> SoS was great for mandriva
[06:29] <babag> still using it on office box
[06:29] <babag> *boxes
[06:29] <Hawkwind> babag: I currently have an E17 SoS repo for Kubuntu :)
[06:29] <babag> E17?
[06:30] <Jucato> Enlightenment 17...
[06:30] <Hawkwind> Enlightenment-DR17
[06:30] <babag> ahh
[06:30] <Hawkwind> The only window manager I use :P
[06:30] <Jucato> I love E17's Elpanel (is that the correct name?)
[06:30] <babag> never could get enlightenment to function with the hardware on my mandriva
[06:31] <miyako> hmm, does the default install not install or configure a boot loader?
[06:31] <babag> kubuntu box is not networked. standalone.
[06:31] <Jucato> miyako: are you using the Desktop CD?
[06:31] <miyako> Jucato: yes
[06:31] <abattoir> miyako: it should've installed grub
[06:31] <Jucato> miyako: it installs the bootloader
[06:31] <miyako> well, it said installation was complete
[06:31] <babag> xvid setup i'm seeing is for downloading and installing via network.
[06:31] <miyako> I rebooted
[06:31] <miyako> and nothing
[06:32] <Jucato> hmm...
[06:32] <miyako> then i tried to use boot from CD from the LiveCD
[06:32] <miyako> also nothing
[06:32] <Jucato> it's supposed to install it automatically
[06:32] <abattoir> miyako: installed to mbr(not sure if it gives you that option)
[06:32] <abattoir> ??
[06:32] <miyako> it didn't come up with any options for that
[06:32] <Jucato> no, it won't give any options
[06:32] <miyako> it never asked me anything related to booting
[06:32] <Jucato> it directly installs GRUB to MBR
[06:32] <miyako> that's why I wasn't sure it if even installed one
[06:32] <Jucato> miyako: what do you see on your screen when you reboot?
[06:33] <miyako> well, the bios does it's thing
[06:33] <miyako> then I get a black screen
[06:33] <miyako> with a blinking _ in th upper left corner
[06:33] <Jucato> hmm....
[06:33] <Jucato> maybe GRUB wasn't installed properly? do you only have 1 hard disk?
[06:33] <miyako> maybe I should try reinstalling and using the default partition setup?
[06:34] <babag> is there a way i can download a package and burn it to cd for installation on the standalone box?
[06:34] <miyako> I have an SATA hard drive, and then an IDE hard drive connected to an IDE controller/RAID card
[06:34] <Jucato> ooh... aseigo is here...
[06:34] <aseigo> Jucato: somewhat =)
[06:35] <Jucato> s/admiratin/admiration
[06:35] <Jucato> lol
[06:35] <abattoir> babag: yes, its possible, look at 'apt-cdrom' , 'man apt-cdrom' should give you more info
[06:35] <Jucato> miyako: on which drive did you install Kubuntu? and are you using RAID?
[06:35] <miyako> I'm not using RAID, and I installed it on /dev/sda
[06:36] <Jucato> and /dev/sda is the primary master?
[06:36] <miyako> yes
[06:36] <babag> thanks. have to go to the other box for that. bbl
[06:37] <_1Bh> Getting error in Kontact newreader: 'Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths.'
[06:37] <Jucato> hmm...
[06:37] <Robosos> is it normaly that a installation from a software with adept take long time?
[06:38] <hads> Hey all, I just upgraded to 3.5.4 (Kubuntu packages) and I have one minor issue: I have dual screens, new windows used to open on the screen where I had the cursor, this doesn't appear to be the case anymore. Can anyone tell me if this is a configration problem or a bug? Or just confirm the issue?
[06:38] <Jucato> Robosos: what are you trying to install?
[06:38] <Robosos> pppstatus
[06:39] <Jucato> I don't think it should be taking that long.
[06:39] <Jucato> what's Adept saying? (it's supposed to be displaying something like a terminal within the Adept window)
[06:39] <Robosos> nothing
[06:40] <Jucato> strange...
[06:40] <Robosos> no terminal window or so
[06:40] <Jucato> wb abattoir
[06:40] <abattoir> thanks, Jucato :)
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos, it's not really a terminal window, but more like lines of text showing you that it's unpacking, installing, or setting up
[06:41] <Robosos> only: status: not installed, Action:install
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: err... click on Preview Changes
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: make sure nothing is going to be removed
[06:41] <Jucato> Robosos: then click on Apply Changes
[06:42] <Jucato> abattoir: any experience in installing Kubuntu on SATA (no RAID)? miyako seems to have some problems with GRUB
[06:42] <Robosos> all right...
[06:43] <Robosos> thx
[06:43] <Jucato> Robosos: sure. no problem
[06:43] <abattoir> Jucato, miyako: hmm no, i've heard cases of it both working and not working...
[06:44] <miyako> I'm trying to reinstall with the default partition setup to see if that might help
[06:44] <Jucato> does anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?
[06:44] <Jucato> miyako: er... you're reinstalling now?
[06:44] <miyako> Jucato: yeah
[06:44] <miyako> why, should I have waited?
[06:44] <abattoir> miyako: but tbh, the live cd installer has not yet evolved into something advanced... for RAID/LVM, you'd definitely be better off using the text-installer, for now
[06:44] <Jucato> miyako: oh ok. we could have tried reinstalling grub. but I  can't find the link for it anyway
[06:45] <Jucato> abattoir: miyako's not using RAID, but is using SATA
[06:45] <abattoir> Jucato: i thought he said RAID
[06:45] <abattoir> must be my mistake, then.
[06:45] <Jucato> abattoir: I said "SATA (no RAID)"
[06:45] <Jucato> :-D
[06:46] <miyako> I have an IDE controller that does RAID, but I don't actually have a RAID and I'm trying to install and boot to a plain SATA drive plugged into the motherboard
[06:46] <abattoir> Jucato: ok, my mistake then... anyways 'man grub-install' might give you more info..
[06:47] <Jucato> ok. the reason why I was asking is because the Desktop CD installer doesn't do RAID. you need the alternate install CD for that
[06:47] <abattoir> or rather, miyako
[06:47] <miyako> well, if this doesn't work I'll try the alternate installer
[06:47] <abattoir> miyako: hmm, you'd need to download the alternate-cd for that
[06:48] <miyako> yeah
[06:48] <miyako> hmm
[06:48] <Robosos> i have allready installed the nvidia-glx pack for my geforce 2 gts.
[06:48] <Jucato> and the ALternate CD is text based :-D
[06:48] <Robosos> after the comand
[06:48] <Robosos> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:48] <abattoir> miyako: that'd give you more control over the boot loader too... and is more interactive...
[06:49] <miyako> I was having trouble earlier getting my iBook to properly burn an ISO, ended up booting into Windows to burn this ISO, but now I don't have windows installed anymore.
[06:49] <Robosos> the opengl seems not to work...
[06:49] <Jucato> Robosos: you need to restart the X server to apply the changes
[06:49] <miyako> wish I knew where my Suse 10 cds were, I could try that
[06:49] <Jucato> Robosos: but before you do that, might I ask
[06:49] <tulga> I installed slapd.  but I want install with crypt. howto update?
[06:49] <Robosos> i have do it, but i don't work
[06:49] <Robosos> *it
[06:50] <Jucato> Robosos: did you install the correct linux-restricted-modules for your kernel version?
[06:50] <Robosos> i belief not...
[06:50] <Robosos> how can i do this?
[06:51] <unix_infidel> Hawkwind: how a bout a deb :P
[06:51] <unix_infidel> lol
[06:51] <Jucato> Robosos: open up Adept and look for the packages starting with "linux-restricted-modules"
[06:51] <Jucato> take note of the version, then compare it to the package "linux-image-xxxxx"
[06:52] <miyako> ok, going to try another reboot
[06:52] <Jucato> so if you have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx (386, 486, etc), then you should also have linux-image-2.6.15-26-xxx
[06:52] <Robosos> how can i get the kernel version?
[06:52] <Jucato> Robosos: in Konsole type: uname -r
[06:56] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: It builds the debs for you
[06:57] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: SoS does have an E17 repo, plus a contrib repo that currently contains the latest xchat
[07:03] <Robosos> opengl don't work :(
[07:04] <miyako> ok, still no dice
[07:04] <miyako> but I've been playing around with it a bit
[07:05] <miyako>  /dev/sda doesn't exist in the installed partition
[07:05] <Robosos> i have install the linux-restricted-modules
[07:06] <Robosos> and the have i execute the comand
[07:06] <Robosos> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:06] <Robosos> but after a restart it don't work
[07:07] <Jucato> Robosos: how about the command "nvidia-xconfig"?? how are you testing OpenGL?
[07:08] <Jucato> miyako: sorry I couldn't help. Not much of a SATA user.
[07:08] <Jucato> miyako: have you tried searching the Ubuntuforums?
[07:08] <Robosos> i test opengl with the opengl-screensaver
[07:09] <Jucato> hmm... how about testing it with this command: glxgears
[07:09] <Robosos> command not found...
[07:09] <Jucato> which command was not found?
[07:10] <Robosos> nvidia-xconfig
[07:10] <Jucato> oh.
[07:11] <miyako> ok, I found a work around, which says that /boot should be made a seperate partition as the first partitino on the hard disk
[07:11] <miyako> how big should /boot be?
[07:11] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:12] <Jucato> miyako: AFAIK, definitely less than 1GB...
[07:12] <XVampireX> kopete themes = ftw
[07:12] <Tm_T> XVampireX: 0.12 series? ;)
[07:12] <XVampireX> yeah
[07:12] <Tm_T> yeah, can't hate it
[07:12] <Jucato> um... what does FTW mean?
[07:12] <XVampireX> for the win
[07:12] <Jucato> ooh
[07:12] <Jucato> ok.. thought it was some @#@$* word
[07:12] <Jucato> :-D
[07:13] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what's your favourite from defaults?
[07:13] <XVampireX> Clear
[07:13] <Tm_T> Jucato: shush!
[07:13] <Tm_T> XVampireX: ...you're sure you don't mean hacker? ;)
[07:13] <XVampireX> I'm sure
[07:13] <Tm_T> damn you
[07:13] <Robosos> what can i do yet to install the dispay driver corect?
[07:13] <XVampireX> right now using glossyk
[07:14] <XVampireX> Are these themes using something like XML?
[07:14] <Tm_T> XVampireX: xhtml+css (and javascript if you allow it)
[07:14] <XVampireX> Oh, hehe
[07:14] <Tm_T> but js is totally different story ;)
[07:15] <XVampireX> I wish kopete would have jingle plugin
[07:15] <Tm_T> XVampireX: it does
[07:15] <XVampireX> The one I installed from kubuntu repositories (kde3.5.4) doesn't have jingle
[07:16] <Tm_T> well, because kubuntu have too new ortp
[07:16] <XVampireX> ah, hehe
[07:16] <Tm_T> so, you have to compile libortp 0.71(?) yourself and then compile kopete
[07:16] <XVampireX> yup, hehe
[07:17] <XVampireX> I'd just somehow get Psi jingle sometime
[07:17] <Tm_T> with --enable-jingle
[07:17] <Robosos> how can i check where was anything going wrong by the installation of the nvidia-driver?
[07:17] <Tm_T> XVampireX: just compile kopete from svn ;)
[07:17] <XVampireX> They need a roadmap
[07:18] <Tm_T> Robosos: hmm, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log has any error lines?
[07:18] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what you mean?
[07:18] <XVampireX> Tm_T: They don't have roadmaps... can't drool over new features :(
[07:18] <XVampireX> I wonder what KDE4 kopete would bring
[07:18] <Tm_T> XVampireX: ah, sorry, we can't tell what we have in KDE4 yet ;)
[07:19] <Jucato> does anyone here have a link or document explaining the relation of Ubuntu/Kubuntu releases with KDE releases, specifically with regards to updates?
[07:19] <XVampireX> Wait
[07:19] <Tm_T> XVampireX: s/have/will have/ ;-P
[07:19] <XVampireX> Tm_T: let me guess, you're the Kopete developer?
[07:19] <XVampireX> or KDE?
[07:19] <Tm_T> XVampireX: well, I have done something yes
[07:19] <Tm_T> and trying to :p
[07:20] <XVampireX> :D
[07:20] <Tm_T> XVampireX: in kopete there's hacker chat style, that "status message" icon and, hmm, something I already forgot
[07:20] <Robosos> yes : (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[07:21] <Tm_T> Robosos: there you go
[07:21] <XVampireX> I dunno
[07:21] <Tm_T> then I do testing and end user support
[07:21] <Robosos> how can i install the driver?
[07:21] <Tm_T> Robosos: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:22] <Robosos> it's allready installed :(
[07:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:22] <XVampireX> and then in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:22] <XVampireX> go to Driver section
[07:22] <Jucato> Robosos: try it again, something may have gone wrong with the install
[07:22] <XVampireX> and if you see "nv"
[07:23] <XVampireX> change that to "nvidia"
[07:23] <XVampireX> then restart X and if you see nvidia logo you have it installed correctly
[07:23] <XVampireX> restart X = ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:24] <XVampireX> Though the steps could be reduced... ubuntu should strive for that
[07:25] <Raubkopierer> wer da?
[07:25] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: j
[07:25] <Robosos> tagchen
[07:26] <Tm_T> Robosos: works now?
[07:26] <XVampireX> !german
[07:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about german - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:26] <Jucato> XVampireX: I noticed that most Debian-based distros lack GUI front-ends to some of those complicated settings
[07:26] <Robosos> i must restart the display...
[07:26] <XVampireX> Jucato: Debian was designed for that :P
[07:26] <Jucato> For example: PPPoE and changing display drivers (except MEPIS)
[07:26] <XVampireX> Robosos: go ahead and do
[07:26] <Tm_T> I like to play around with "complicated" settings
[07:27] <simon___> Hmmm
[07:27] <scast> Now I only have one column of tray icons
[07:27] <scast> before  I had two
[07:27] <Jucato> I wonder if Kubuntu will ever try to make a K Menu entry for pppoeconf, even if all it does is just launch the command in a terminal
[07:27] <scast> :\
[07:27] <Jucato> scast: right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > set size to Custom 48
[07:27] <XVampireX> I wonder if there ever is going to be an all around dialer for xDSL modems
[07:28] <scast> Jucato: no, the system tray
[07:28] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:28] <Jucato> scast: yes I know. just try it
[07:28] <Jucato> try it first
[07:28] <Tm_T> raphink: wheee!
[07:28] <XVampireX> For example, I don't know how to install my aDSL connection directly, I connect through DHCP on a router connected through PPPTP
[07:28] <scast> now that's weird o_o
[07:28] <raphink> hi Tm_T
[07:29] <Jucato> XVampireX: ehehe. my ADSL connection uses PPPoE... DHCP is supposed to be easier to setup
[07:29] <XVampireX> :P
[07:29] <XVampireX> But I can't complain
[07:29] <XVampireX> connected 24/77
[07:29] <XVampireX> err
[07:29] <XVampireX> connected 24/7
[07:30] <Tm_T> :)
[07:30] <XVampireX> So it's a good deal
[07:30] <Jucato> let me see, there's KPPP for dial-up, KNetworkManager for wireless, the regular Network Manager for DHCP... oh where's the setup for PPPoE?
[07:30] <Jucato> XVampireX: I'm presuming your PC is also on 24/7777?
[07:30] <Jucato> :-D
[07:30] <Raubkopierer> mh... muss ich jetzt meine fragen englisch stellen? -.- ich hab doch ferien...
[07:30] <scast> Jucato: i love you rawr
[07:30] <Jucato> scast: see, I told yah! :-D
[07:30] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: please use english here
[07:30] <XVampireX> Jucato: Yeah, nowadays I use linux, so no problem for me leaving it on everyday.... cause it'll never crash or anything :P
[07:31] <Tm_T> !de
[07:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:31] <Jucato> Size 48 is the smallest panel size that allows 2 rows for system tray. Normal size is just a tad to small
[07:31] <scast> now the only thing is
[07:31] <Tm_T> default is large enough
[07:31] <scast> font's look weird
[07:31] <scast> o_o
[07:31] <Jucato> XVampireX: and how is your electricity bill? :-D
[07:31] <XVampireX> Not high
[07:31] <XVampireX> my comp sucks
[07:31] <scast> in some apps they look weird
[07:31] <Tm_T> though I have 82 px wide kicker
[07:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: default panel size is normal right?
[07:32] <Jucato> Tm_T: default panel size is "Normal" right?
[07:32] <Raubkopierer> oha... my english is
[07:33] <Raubkopierer> not so good :(
[07:33] <Raubkopierer> i will try it...
[07:34] <Tm_T> Jucato: afaik yes, but I don't remember (I don't have much default binaries even)
[07:34] <Raubkopierer> when i install ubuntu the installation crash while loading the modules for the floppy device...
[07:34] <Robert_____> linux don't start...
[07:34] <Jucato> Tm_T: well, IIRC, starting KDE 3.5.3, "Normal" size is too small to fit 2 rows of icons in the system tray
[07:34] <Jucato> but in KDE 3.5.2 and below, it was...
[07:35] <Robert_____> how was the path to the log file of the system?
[07:35] <Robert_____> and the path to the graphic-configuration?
[07:35] <Raubkopierer> can anyboady help me please?
[07:35] <Raubkopierer> *anybody
[07:35] <Robert_____> (sry, i don't notice that)
[07:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: to that yes, unless you tweak kickerrc (or what it was(
[07:35] <babag> ok. so i have to add a cdrom source with apt-cdrom to install a package i've downloaded to a cd.
[07:36] <Raubkopierer> :(
[07:36] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: have you tried to check cd integrity?
[07:36] <babag> i'm on a mandriva box here. how do i find and download kubuntu packages?
[07:37] <babag> i know rpmfind for mandriva. is there something like that for kubuntu?
[07:37] <Tm_T> babag: packages.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <Raubkopierer> I have a dvd and a cd of ubuntu... bothe ones are ehm... allright Oo
[07:37] <babag> great! thanks.
[07:38] <Raubkopierer> ...
[07:39] <Jucato> [konversation]  does anyone know how to put the list of names on the left side rather than the right side?
[07:39] <Raubkopierer> tm_t: yes
[07:39] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee!
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[07:40] <Jucato> :-D
[07:42] <Raubkopierer> I have allready one sucsessful installation but it couldn't mount the root file system so i tried to reinstall ubuntu
[07:42] <Tm_T> hmmh
[07:42] <Tm_T> Raubkopierer: what version it is? 6.06 desktop?
[07:43] <Raubkopierer> Tm_T, yes...
[07:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:44] <Raubkopierer> schould i try the alternate cd?
[07:44] <Tm_T> why not
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> because i have to download it first ;)
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> i will come back in some hours...
[07:45] <Raubkopierer> bye...
[07:46] <scast> wow
[07:46] <scast> I spent the last hour watching the suckiest movie ever
[07:46] <XVampireX> scast, or DO you?
[07:46] <Jucato> scast: while installing/customizing Kubuntu at the same time?
[07:46] <XVampireX> :)
[07:47] <Jucato> well, there's always "virtual" suicide...
[07:47] <abattoir> scast: was it the 'date movie' by any chance? :-\
[07:48] <scast> Jucato: yes, no.
[07:49] <scast> I feel like I waste the last 2 hours and half of my life.
[07:49] <Jucato> One thing I'm dying to have in KDE: an easy way to make Styles and Window Decorations...
[07:50] <XVampireX> Jucato: will have to wait for KDE4
[07:50] <Jucato> XVampireX: KDE 4 will have that? are you absolutely sure?!?!
[07:50] <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:50] <scast> There is one thing that I hate HATE about default kubuntu 6.06... The windeco is HORRIBLE.
[07:50] <XVampireX> It will be easier than now
[07:51] <XVampireX> scast: Agree...
[07:51] <Jucato> scast: I think they chose Crystal because it closely resembles the Human windeco of Ubuntu
[07:51] <Jucato> probably...
[07:51] <abattoir> the windeco, imho is nice, only the buttons....
[07:52] <scast> Jucato: I don't have trouble with Crysta. In fact, I think it is one of the best windeco available, but the way it is configurd by default in kubuntu is horrible.
[07:52] <scast> Crystal*
[07:52] <XVampireX> be back in a bit, gonna finish my sleep, for some reason I went to sleep at around 11pm and woke up at 5am and feeling sleepy now
[07:52] <Jucato> I changed the buttons to Crystal Aqua
[07:53] <Jucato> bye XVampireX! sweet dreams
[07:53] <scast> knifty ftw
[07:53] <XVampireX> It's morning
[07:53] <XVampireX> :P
[07:53] <XVampireX> ok
[07:53] <XVampireX> Thanks
[07:54] <Tm_T> scast: I have done knifty fork to my own use but I moved to b2
[07:54] <Jucato> btw, about window decorations, it was only until a few days ago that I discovered you can rearrange the window buttons... :-(
[07:54] <scast> Jucato: rawr.
[07:54] <scast> I used to have [minimize] [maximize] --title--[icon] [close] 
[07:54] <scast> it was amazing :)
[07:55] <XVampireX> Tm_T: You could add Buddy Pounce to Kopete any time now...
[07:55] <Jucato> heheh! I still kept them in their place. but knowing that I can move them around satisfies me. :-D
[07:55] <Tm_T> XVampireX: what?
[07:55] <Jucato> what's Buddy Pounce...
[07:55] <scast> !lamp
[07:55] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[07:55] <XVampireX> I.E: In situations like this where I have to send someone who's offline a message yet going to sleep
[07:56] <Tm_T> I have [close] --title--[maximize] 
[07:56] <scast> Tm_T: I am my friends think my old configuration was SICK!
[07:56] <scast> rawr
[07:56] <Tm_T> XVampireX: well, err, offline message you mean?
[07:56] <XVampireX> Tm_T: Buddy pounce is when you let kopete automatically perform an action when for example someone logs on or come back from away/etc...
[07:56] <Tm_T> aah
[07:56] <Jucato> hmm.. I could probably rearrange them too... gonna think of a nice layout
[07:56] <Tm_T> that one
[07:57] <Jucato> XVampireX: oooh.. so that's what it was for
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: hmm, there's none
[07:57] <XVampireX> Yup
[07:57] <Jucato> I always though Buddy Pounce was like a Buzz in YM...
[07:57] <XVampireX> I know, there should be
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: unless you write plugin ;)
[07:57] <abattoir> Tm_T: all these fancy names they give to these things.... right? ;)
[07:57] <scast> Something I really feel that Ubuntu could use is a decent PS1
[07:57] <scast> seriously.
[07:57] <Tm_T> abattoir: yeah
[07:57] <XVampireX> Are there any unofficial plugins written for kopete?
[07:57] <Jucato> scast: PS1? playstation 1?
[07:57] <scast> no
[07:57] <Jucato> ehehe
[07:57] <Tm_T> XVampireX: sure, but don't ask where they are
[07:57] <scast> PS1, hmmm
[07:58] <scast> open up a console
[07:58] <scast> the simon@titan:~$
[07:59] <scast> PS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "
[07:59] <scast> try that one.
[07:59] <Jucato> er... what will that do?
[07:59] <Jucato> I'm scared of things I can't understand. :D
[08:00] <scast> Copy paste it into konsole. It's nothing permanent, if you dont like just close it.
[08:00] <Jucato> oooh
[08:00] <Jucato> I see
[08:01] <scast> you like ? ^^
[08:01] <Jucato> kinda... but what does/can it do?
[08:01] <scast> it's cuttier and it tell you the size of your current directory.
[08:01] <Jucato> ooh
[08:01] <Jucato> aaah
[08:02] <Tm_T> scast: one problem: awful colours
[08:02] <Tm_T> my eyes! :(
[08:02] <scast> yea. I think he changed it recently.
[08:03] <scast> Before it the blue was easier on the eyes
[08:03] <Jucato> it's not so bad on a black background
[08:04] <Tm_T> Jucato: it is
[08:04] <Jucato> :-D
[08:06] <wckdkl0wn> i try to go to this website to view a video and it tells me i need flash player in order to view it.. so i installed the file on macromedias website and it still dont work.. i also isntalled flashplugin-nonfree from the repos and still doesnt work
[08:06] <wckdkl0wn> any idea what i need?
[08:06] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: what browser are you using?
[08:07] <scast> Jucato, Tm_T:PS1="[\[\033\] \u@\h\[\e\]  \[\033\] \w\[\e\]  \[\033\] \$(/bin/ls -lah | /bin/grep -m 1 total | /bin/sed 's/total //')\[\e\] ] \\$ "
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> both firefox and konqueror
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: ^
[08:07] <Jucato> and it doesn't work even in Firefox?
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> nope
[08:07] <wckdkl0wn> i checked the plugins list and it says i have flash plugins installed
[08:08] <wckdkl0wn> and plugins are enabled
[08:08] <Jucato> could you post a link to the site, so we could check?
[08:08] <Tm_T> scast: yup, hate that red there though, but improvenment with dark background yes
[08:08] <Ash-Fox> Ack, what is this filth, graphical emoticons in e-mail... NOOOOOOOO
[08:09] <Tm_T> Ash-Fox: that's me
[08:09] <scast> Tm_T: play with the numbers xD
[08:09] <Tm_T> scast: I know ;)
[08:09] <Jucato> much better
[08:10] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/46548/earthquake/
[08:10] <Jucato> er.. metacafe doesn't support anything Linux I think...
[08:10] <Jucato> there was a comment about that. I forgot when...
[08:11] <wckdkl0wn> oh
[08:11] <wckdkl0wn> so then my flash should be working ok then just that site is the problem
[08:11] <Jucato> i'm not absolutely sure, though
[08:11] <Jucato> I go to http://www.newgrounds.com to check if my flash works
[08:11] <apeman2020> Hello AllL!
[08:12] <apeman2020> Could anyone point me in the direction of a good system monitoring tool?
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> ctrl + escape
[08:12] <Jucato> and metacafe might be using a more recent Flash version that Linux doesn't support yet...
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> That's my system monitoring tool :P
[08:12] <apeman2020> haha
[08:12] <farous> i use gkrellm with fluxbox. kde  come with good applets though
[08:12] <apeman2020> sure sure
[08:12] <Jucato> or you can launch the full KSysGuard app
[08:13] <apeman2020> i am looking for something to actively display proc and mem usage
[08:13] <wckdkl0wn> yup works fine there
[08:13] <scast> Guys what are your essentials?
[08:13] <Ash-Fox> apeman2020, ksysguard can do that
[08:13] <wckdkl0wn> guess that means it just that site
[08:13] <farous> apeman2020: you mean howm many processes
[08:13] <apeman2020> Ash-Fox: thanks
[08:13] <Jucato> apeman2020: try KSysGuard (the full KSysGuard from K Menu >System)
[08:14] <apeman2020> Alcon i have used that . i am looking for more like a toolbar or the like
[08:14] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: metacafe link doesn't work here, too. And I'm sure my firefox is working
[08:14] <apeman2020> something that sits in the background..
[08:14] <Jucato> apeman2020: the System Monitor Applet?
[08:15] <wckdkl0wn> ok no biggy i thought it was something i was doing wrong.. i just couldnt see why it wasnt workin when flash was install
[08:15] <wckdkl0wn> ty for the help
[08:15] <Jucato> apeman2020: or KSensors, which sits n the system tray
[08:15] <apeman2020> Jucato: ksenors?
[08:15] <apeman2020> something like rainlender..
[08:17] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato: what if i was to install firefox using wine? since the new flash is compatible with windows
[08:17] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: I'm not really sure...
[08:17] <wckdkl0wn> ok
[08:19] <Ash-Fox> wckdkl0wn, you could install firefox using wine.
[08:20] <Ash-Fox> It's messy, and a bit pointless in my opinion, but you can.
[08:21] <scast> !postgres
[08:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about postgres - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:21] <scast> !postgresql
[08:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about postgresql - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:21] <scast> -_-
[08:21] <apeman2020> agree with the wine:firefox thing
[08:21] <scast> well LAMP is done.
[08:21] <scast> !ssh
[08:21] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[08:22] <apeman2020> WINscp is a good GUI as well
[08:22] <unix_infidel> maybe the factoid should reflect which clients are decent for Linux as well :P
[08:22] <unix_infidel> seeing as this IS Linux #
[08:23] <scast> !fuse
[08:23] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[08:23] <scast> o_o
[08:24] <Jucato> bbl...
[08:27] <m0ns00n> Hey! Anyone else here have a KDesktop that doesn't update to show icons added to the desktop?
[08:27] <m0ns00n> Seems like I need to kill KDesktop from time to time to make it work - then it runs a bit and then stops updating again...
[08:27] <m0ns00n> It doesn't lock.
[08:28] <scast> I am not sure how thing exactly work in apt but when I have like 3 repos with the same package what package it picks? The newer? The first repo listed in the sources.list? The one from the official repos?
[08:29] <AegeanLinux> My kd is fine
[08:30] <Hawkwind> scast: It'll pick the first one if they are all the same, or the newest one of the three
[08:30] <scast> !sources
[08:30] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:30] <scast> !easysource
[08:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:39] <gplfighter> 'morning
[08:43] <bugunu> does anyone know why nmap from root doesn't work?
[08:43] <scast> Off to sleep
[08:43] <bugunu> nevermind that, updated :-"
[08:53] <supernix> Hi
[08:54] <supernix> I have been fighting for the longest to get a dialup connection working under Kubuntu no luck even on a serial modem
[08:55] <supernix> I thought that I might just try another distro to see what results I get and I chose Knoppix well once I did the setup routine for a connection under Knoppix it worked fine I was actually able to connect using the live cd
[09:11] <miyako> ok, I finally got everything to install
[09:12] <miyako> it seems that the problem was that the installer was trying to install grub to my IDE drive, when I physically removed the cable connecting the IDE hard drive and installed, it installed and configured grub properly for my SATA drive
[09:12] <miyako> hopefully, if I hook my IDE drive back up I will still be able to boot up properly
[09:32] <mioemi> hello good people
[09:37] <supernix> Hiya
[09:37] <supernix> finally someone graces me with their presence
[09:37] <Lynoure> hmm
[09:38] <Lynoure> Sorry, I'm not much help with dialup things anymore, not on kubuntu anyway
[09:41] <supernix> np most people are using dsl or cable or some sort of wifi or ethernet connection
[09:41] <supernix> I have not used dialup on almost 10 years
[09:42] <supernix> My fiancee however only uses dialup
[09:42] <supernix> Sad to say I will most likely be stuck with dialup in the comming months as well since I will be moving to the country
[09:49] <kraut> moin
[10:06] <farous> anyone know how to disable acceping pm. using irssi here
[10:14] <sjk> farous, use /ignore.
[10:15] <farous> sjk: i do not want to be rude
[10:15] <farous> ignore is used to ignore specific person or pattern in the channel i just do not want to accept any pm
[10:16] <sjk> /ignore * MSGS
[10:16] <farous> thanx sjk
[10:18] <farous> yah that is much better thanx again sjk :)
[10:21] <sjk> farous, yw
[10:24] <Gingillo> hi,i have a problem installing kubuntu. I start installation. But it stops on "mounting root file system" what can i do? Thanks
[10:29] <Gingillo> =(
[10:29] <farous> Gingillo: did you format the root partition as ext3
[10:29] <Gingillo> i didnt format nothing
[10:29] <farous> Gingillo: if you just explain more people can be more helpful
[10:30] <Gingillo> ok...
[10:30] <farous> Gingillo: which cd you used
[10:30] <farous> and how far in the installation you went
[10:30] <gplfighter> i think he means when the cd boots.
[10:31] <gplfighter> usplash says : mounting root file system
[10:31] <gplfighter> here it takes a long time in the livecd
[10:31] <farous> lol he left
[10:31] <Gingillo_> sorry :P
[10:31] <farous> ah dc wb
[10:32] <Gingillo_> this cd: "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso"
[10:32] <farous> so was it the livecd you talk about as gplfighter suggested
[10:32] <Gingillo_> livecd???
[10:32] <gplfighter> thats  the licecd
[10:32] <gplfighter> the 'normal' install dic
[10:32] <Gingillo_> i want to install kubuntu, not to try it..
[10:33] <gplfighter> Gingillo_: yes, the livecd is also the install cd
[10:33] <Gingillo_> ah lol thanks
[10:33] <farous> Gingillo_: ok so when did the problem occur and how far was you in the installation
[10:33] <gplfighter> i think the disc was still booting
[10:34] <gplfighter> Gingillo_: ?
[10:34] <godvirus_> hello
[10:34] <gplfighter> lo godvirus_
[10:34] <godvirus_> i downloaded a live cd and i get some weird language
[10:34] <Gingillo_> the problem occurred in the second step of the installation: i choose "install" than it mounts the kernel and the second step is "mounting root file system"
[10:35] <gplfighter> wait
[10:35] <godvirus_> Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE
[10:35] <Gingillo_> i'll wait np =)
[10:35] <gplfighter> llol
[10:35] <godvirus_> did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language
[10:35] <gplfighter> you mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/10.png ??
[10:36] <farous> Gingillo_: it seems like the livecd and depending on your system it might take sometime so just wait for it to start
[10:36] <Gingillo_> i waited like 5 mins, and i listen thath the cd reader is not reading.. so i reboot.. am i wrong? :P
[10:37] <gplfighter> you mean here : http://fluaju.no-ip.org/anika/preinsqtall/11.png ??
[10:37] <gplfighter> mounting root file system
[10:37] <gplfighter> or ...
[10:37] <Gingillo_> ehm i don't see the page sorry
[10:37] <Gingillo_> my connection =|
[10:37] <gplfighter> k
[10:37] <Gingillo_> dont u have a mirror? :P
[10:37] <gplfighter> wait a seconf
[10:38] <godvirus_> hello
[10:38] <abattoir> Gingillo_: did you try booting in the safe boot mode?
[10:38] <Gingillo_> no
[10:38] <Gingillo_> should i?
[10:39] <abattoir> Gingillo_: ok, maybe i got it wrong, but as soon as the cd boots, you choose 'Install', then you see the progress dialog(kernel)... and then you see the kubuntu logo... it freezes here... right?
[10:39] <gplfighter> http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1913/10zj2.png
[10:39] <Gingillo_> yes, when i see the kubuntu logo and the last line is "mounting root file system"
[10:40] <Gingillo_> gplfighter: yes
[10:40] <gplfighter> like my url
[10:40] <gplfighter> ok
[10:41] <abattoir> Gingillo_: what is your harddisk layout?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> layout?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> i have 2 hard disks
[10:41] <abattoir> Gingillo_: yes, what partitions, which filesystems?
[10:41] <Gingillo_> but windows has done a vry strange thing :P
[10:42] <Gingillo_> this is not my problem
[10:42] <Gingillo_> i have a 30gb hard disk called C (backup) and a 200 gb hard disk called F
[10:43] <abattoir> Gingillo_: ok, try the safe boot thing
[10:43] <Gingillo_> ok
[10:43] <Gingillo_> i try
[10:43] <Gingillo_> mmh
[10:43] <Gingillo_> if it stops on mounting in the safe boot
[10:43] <Gingillo_> how much have i to wait?
[10:44] <rikioh> is there a way i can take a big file from linux ( too big to burn) and view it on my windows partition... since i have 2 hdd's it just says hdd not formatted when i try to access it in windows
[10:44] <abattoir> Gingillo_: not more than 2~3 mins. max. , i'd say
[10:44] <abattoir> rikioh: windows does not recognize native linux file systems
[10:45] <abattoir> rikioh: so you cant copy it from windows natively
[10:45] <Gingillo_> ok thanks  abattoir. I'm going to try it
[10:45] <abattoir> rikioh: if the windows partition is fat(32) then copy it when you are booted into linux, into the windows partition
[10:46] <rikioh> ntsf
[10:46] <rikioh> or you know what i mean
[10:46] <abattoir> yes, ntfs
[10:46] <abattoir> ntfs write support is highly experimental... in linux...
[10:47] <godvirus_> did i download the right iso? the boot cd is in some weird language
[10:47] <farous> rikioh: there is a prog and a driver that let window see linux part
[10:47] <farous> ext2fs
[10:47] <abattoir> godvirus_: where did you download it from ?
[10:47] <farous> look it up on sourcefourge
[10:47] <abattoir> godvirus_: link ?
[10:47] <godvirus_> united states mirror
[10:47] <rikioh> so i install ext2fs on windows?
[10:48] <farous> rikioh: you just run it or install it there are couple of progs there just check it out if you do that regularly
[10:48] <farous> rikioh: if it is a one time thing load it to google then download it
[10:49] <abattoir> godvirus_: i dont think 'non-english versions' exist.... but I think de releases german versions... not sure
[10:49] <godvirus_> pretty sure i got it from here http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[10:49] <godvirus_> ok somehow i got a german version
[10:49] <rikioh> this file is almost 2 gigs i dont think i can laod it to google
[10:49] <abattoir> godvirus_: is it german? sure?
[10:49] <godvirus_> Um die CD zu starten drueken Sie einfach die EINGABETASTE
[10:49] <abattoir> haha, ok
[10:51] <abattoir> godvirus_: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[10:52] <gplfighter> godvirus_: or if you can wait a few weeks : http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[10:59] <godvirus_> so how do i install it?
[10:59] <godvirus_> nm
[11:08] <Rodil> hi
[11:10] <gogeta> hi
[11:10] <gplfighter> hi
[11:11] <gogeta> lol
[11:11] <gogeta> just inital install and tweaking right now
[11:11] <gogeta> and 103 updates
[11:11] <gplfighter> tweaking?
[11:11] <gogeta> lol
[11:11] <gogeta> yea
[11:11] <gplfighter> 103 ==> LOL
[11:11] <gogeta> ati drivers etc
[11:11] <gplfighter> ah k
[11:12] <gogeta> rpms suck
[11:12] <gogeta> lol
[11:12] <gogeta> relly they have no way of keeping themselfs from cluttering the system up
[11:12] <Rodil> ghu, kinda wierd being such a newb I can't get anything to work again...
[11:13] <gogeta> ?
[11:13] <gogeta> anything is a pretty wide area to try and help with lol
[11:13] <Rodil> just bought a new laptop and am loading up kubuntu on it, been using windows/dos forever.
[11:13] <gogeta> welcome to the free world then
[11:14] <gogeta> lol
[11:14] <Rodil> having problems with hardware recognition I think.
[11:14] <gogeta> what it doing
[11:14] <Rodil> I'm not sure if it knows my modem is there, but I'm getting a modem is busy thing with kppp
[11:15] <Rodil> and have no clue of where to start fixing that. :)
[11:15] <gogeta> lol your online yea its busy
[11:15] <Rodil> I'm on my windows box now
[11:15] <gogeta> oh thats a easy one
[11:15] <gogeta> dont hibnerate xp
[11:15] <Rodil> I wiped xp
[11:15] <gogeta> shut it down fully your modem should free up
[11:16] <gogeta> oh
[11:16] <Rodil> can't stand xp, which is why I went with kubuntu
[11:16] <gogeta> well i use both
[11:16] <Rodil> my windows box still runs me. :P
[11:16] <gogeta> nmost do
[11:16] <gogeta> so modem busy
[11:17] <Rodil> I don't play games so figured I wasn't losing much by ditching windows completely
[11:17] <gogeta> shure the number you diald wasent busy lol
[11:17] <Rodil> it's not even getting to the dialing part
[11:17] <gogeta> oh
[11:18] <n3storm> my printing system has stopped working
[11:18] <n3storm> ps aux says cupsd is running
[11:18] <gogeta> it a smart link?
[11:18] <n3storm> I have unnistalled cupsys and installed back again
[11:18] <n3storm> nothing
[11:18] <n3storm> any idea?
[11:18] <ricardo> hi everybody..i have dual boot win xp....is it possible to take some ntfs GBytes to reformat them to ext2 merge them with the linux partition (from linux)?
[11:19] <gplfighter> ricardo, yes, witm PM
[11:19] <ricardo> !PM
[11:19] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[11:19] <n3storm> Unable to bind socket for address 127.0.0.1:631 - Cannot assign requested address
[11:19] <gplfighter> Partition Magic
[11:19] <crimsun> it's also possible if your Ubuntu partition is on lvm.
[11:19] <ricardo> ah..ok...isnt that a win only app?
[11:19] <gplfighter> yes, but it is dual boot, not :p
[11:19] <n3storm> this message can be read at var/log/cups/error_log
[11:20] <ricardo> crimsun: how can i know if im under lvm?
[11:20] <Healot> tried novell desktop 10.1 xgl, works nicely :0
[11:21] <gogeta> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-18.html#ss18.2
[11:21] <gogeta> thers your errer and ways to try and fix it
[11:22] <ricardo> is there a 'free' app for linux like pm?
[11:22] <gogeta> partation magic
[11:22] <gogeta> ?
[11:23] <crimsun> ricardo: /etc/mtab for your / partition will show you
[11:23] <gogeta> i beleve the modern linux partation system can safly resize windows
[11:23] <n3storm> ricardo qtparted or qparted
[11:23] <gogeta> witch is used in the installer
[11:23] <ricardo> crimsun and n3storm: thanks!
[11:24] <ricardo> gogeta: how??
[11:25] <gplfighter> NO
[11:25] <gplfighter> they can't resize ntfs
[11:26] <gplfighter> i've destroyed my ntfs partition
[11:26] <Healot> resize NTFS/FAT partitions yes
[11:26] <Healot> but there are always risks :-
[11:27] <ricardo> Healot: aha....so....whats your advice...
[11:28] <ricardo> i dont care if the ntfs partition get scrambled in the way i just wanna be sure that linux wont be unbootable after that
[11:28] <Healot> use Windows partitioner, or be careful when resizing...
[11:30] <ricardo> ok...so is it safe to resize merge ntfs and ext2 partitions with partition magic? should i modify anything right back at linux mtab / fstab?
[11:30] <ricardo> Healot:
[11:30] <Healot> pm is the best imho... yet
[11:30] <exmethix> hi @ all
[11:31] <exmethix> i have a problem starting xgl with kubuntu
[11:31] <ricardo> Healot: imho?
[11:31] <Healot> if you resize partition, no need to change the fstab entry, but if you created/deleted partitions, you will
[11:31] <Healot> need to change the entry
[11:31] <exmethix> is it possible to start xgl with the kubuntu login manager?
[11:31] <ricardo> Healot: na...i just wanna take 5 GB from win and give them to my precious....
[11:31] <exmethix> with ubuntu i could start ist with gdm
[11:33] <noiesmo> exmethix, here is kdm http://www.compiz.net/topic-256-how-install-xgl-compiz-mepis-for-nvidia
[11:34] <noiesmo> exmethix, i'm running on kubuntu but i just have a compiz session and then if i want can run xgl or normal
[11:34] <New> hi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail
[11:34] <exmethix> noiesmo: i have ati (fglrx)
[11:34] <New> hi i just got my kubuntu cd's in the mail
[11:34] <new_penguin> it is great
[11:34] <noiesmo> exmethix, here http://www.compiz.net/topic-392-using-kdm-combination-with-fglrx-ati
[11:35] <new_penguin> i also got ubuntu and esubuntu
[11:35] <exmethix> thanks
[11:35] <new_penguin> edubuntu*
[11:38] <Healot> i only have windows xp :)
[11:47] <paines> hi
[11:51] <lied> moin, kann mir jeman nen guten homepage editor sagen? (also jetz bitte keine antworten wie nim vi oder so ;) )
[11:52] <aliasfred> !de
[11:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:52] <lied> oh sorry :)
[11:52] <aliasfred> you will likely get better help there :)
[11:53] <lied> aliasfred:  yeah you right :)
[11:53] <aliasfred> lied, try nvu
[11:53] <aliasfred> parsed out of my school german :)
[11:53] <aliasfred> real good :) :) :)
[11:54] <paines> lied, quanta is also a good choice for starters, or bluefish
[11:56] <_thumper_> downloaded edgy alternate kubuntu iso
[11:57] <_thumper_> started it up and decided to run the check cd contents
[11:57] <_thumper_> came back with md5 checksum error
[11:57] <lied> paines:  i know quanta, this is realy good for beginners
[11:57] <_thumper_> does this mean it is really screwed, or just that it may be?
[11:57] <_thumper_> could it still install ok?
[11:57] <paines> _thumper_, really
[11:58] <_thumper_> it is just an md5 error on one of the packages
[11:58] <paines> _thumper_, mine was scratched and in the halt of the install it failed,
[11:58] <_thumper_> could it be that the md5 check is out of date?
[11:58] <paines> halt=half
[12:02] <ricardo> what about linux defraging? is it useful or doesnt make sense?
[12:02] <Healot> available, but not required, ricardo
[12:02] <ricardo> Healot: so...would it improve performance?
[12:02] <Healot> not really
[12:02] <Healot> en.wikipedia.org/ext3
[12:03] <ricardo> Healot: so it is just a cosmetic tool?
[12:06] <ricardo> Healot: ok...thanks...so another question...my linux partition is ext2...should i change it to ext3....would that change be transparent?
[12:06] <Healot> yup
[12:07] <Healot> tune2fs -j <partition>
[12:07] <Healot> prepend sudo of course
[12:07] <ricardo> Healot: should i do it using qtparted from linux?
[12:07] <ricardo> Healot: oh..ok...
[12:08] <Healot> man tune2fs for more options
[12:09] <ricardo> Healot: already doing that thank you very much!! youve been really helpful
[12:10] <Kabal> In TOP I see 2 zombie proccesses.. how can I identify these 2?
[12:10] <paines> Kabal, what do you mean by identify ?
[12:11] <aliasfred> Kabal: use pstree to know what are the child processes
[12:11] <paines> Kabal, there should be process name ( defunct) or something. so you know that processname is a zombie
[12:11] <Kabal> well I see alot of stuff running in top.. and I want to kill zombies
[12:12] <aliasfred> kabal, you cant kill zombie, they will disapears as soon as their child processes end
[12:12] <Kabal> oke.. :)
[12:13] <Kabal> pstree is a great view.. didn't knew that command.. :)
[12:13] <Kabal> paines: can't seem to find any (defunct)
[12:14] <paines> Kabal, de defunct indicated zombies, if you haven't any, then it is okay
[12:14] <Kabal> paines: ok :)
[12:14] <Kabal> xmms is a childprocess of kdeinit?
[12:15] <Kabal> for example? or am I wrong here..?
[12:18] <exmethix> iget the following error when i try to start my compiz:
[12:19] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/WsHKdO18.htmlaste/results/WsHKdO18.html
[12:19] <exmethix> anyone can help?
[12:20] <noiesmo> exmethix, link didnt work for me
[12:20] <paines> exmethix, if you would paste an url which is valid maybe someone could help
[12:21] <jott_> exmethix: sudo apt-get install python-gtk2
[12:22] <Kabal> paines: the 2 zombies are [operapluginwrap]  <defunct>
[12:22] <Kabal> is this normal/ok?
[12:22] <paines> Kabal, aha.  is opera still runninng
[12:23] <Kabal> jup :P
[12:23] <Kabal> irc'ing now wif opera :)
[12:23] <Rodil> how do I get the make command?
[12:23] <paines> Kabal, no, but it also isn't much of a problem. when you finish opera he will take his childs with him
[12:23] <paines> Kabal, so the wrapper thingy should disappera
[12:24] <paines> Rodil, apt-get install build-essntial
[12:24] <Kabal> paines: thanx! learned alot again.. :)
[12:24] <Kabal> really like the pstree command :)
[12:25] <paines> Rodil, apt-get install build-essential
[12:25] <paines> sorry
[12:25] <Rodil> syas permission denied, couldn't unlock
[12:25] <Alatriste> joder
[12:25] <Alatriste> my APT has died
[12:25] <paines> Rodil, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:25] <Alatriste> i'm getting for anything the same error
[12:25] <Alatriste> Fallo de segmentacinetes... 69%
[12:25] <Alatriste> and i've goggled but there is nothing for this error
[12:25] <Rodil> couldn't find package build-essential
[12:26] <Alatriste> somebody know about it?
[12:26] <paines> Rodil, sudo apt-get install make
[12:26] <Rodil> couldn't find package make
[12:26] <paines> Rodil, well then you have a problem
[12:26] <Rodil> :)
[12:27] <paines> Rodil, use pastebin.com and show us you /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <paines> man i need a secretary or speech input. so many typos
[12:28] <Rodil> I'm on a different box here, can't get the modem working in kubuntu and don't have dual boot
[12:29] <Alatriste> my APT has died
[12:29] <Alatriste> i'm getting for anything the same error
[12:29] <Alatriste> Fallo de segmentacinetes... 69%
[12:29] <Alatriste> and i've goggled but there is nothing for this error
[12:29] <Alatriste> somebody know about it?
[12:30] <paines> Alatriste, open up a konsole, and give in sudo apt-get -f install
[12:30] <Alatriste> paines: , yes i did and same error
[12:31] <Rodil> how do I get rid of this permission denied thing?
[12:32] <paines> Alatriste, do sudo unset LANG and reepat the -f install command, to see the error in english
[12:33] <Alatriste> paines: , um, this command not works in kubuntu
[12:34] <paines> Alatriste, and unset LANGUAGE
[12:35] <Alatriste> paines: same COMMAND NOT FOUND
[12:35] <Rodil> says permissino denied when I /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <tsdgeos> need sudo
[12:36] <Rodil> says command not found with sudo
[12:37] <paines> Rodil, sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:37] <fritsch> paines: works without sudo, too
[12:37] <paines> Alatriste, unset is a bash command.
[12:37] <paines> fritsch, true ;-)
[12:39] <Alatriste> paines: um, i'm a bit newbie in linux, i only  know to type and enter it ina  terminal
[12:39] <paines> Alatriste, what happend that your apt-whatever died ?
[12:39] <exmethix> now i get another error with my python compiz script:
[12:40] <Alatriste> paines:  i don't know exactly i before get an error about memory, which i read was cache got too small for repositories
[12:40] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bEKnbP70.html
[12:40] <exmethix> anyone could help?
[12:41] <fritsch> mom
[12:41] <Alatriste> so i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;
[12:41] <fritsch> exmethix: sorry, no
[12:41] <Alatriste> paines: , so i changed the apt.conf putting this line APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;
[12:42] <fritsch> Alatriste: sorry, did not get the error, joined too late, what was it?
[12:42] <Alatriste> paines: , but i continued getting the error about memory, so i deleted some repositories from souces.list
[12:42] <exmethix> i think there is something missing, to allow the python script making a tray icon
[12:42] <exmethix> ???
[12:42] <paines> Alatriste, have you done a apt-get update after changing that
[12:42] <fritsch> exmethix: i think this icon does not exist
[12:42] <Alatriste> paines: , then after removing repositories i did yes the apt-get update
[12:43] <Alatriste> paines: and i got the "Fallo de segmentaciones..."%" error
[12:43] <fritsch> Alatriste: segmentation fault? hen you do apt-get update?
[12:43] <fritsch> Alatriste: does the command dmesg say sth. about very bad Ram :-)?
[12:43] <paines> Alatriste, ohh. i  think that is segmentation fault in spanish ?
[12:44] <Alatriste> fritsch: update, install or anything
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: never seen that before in over 5 years apt-get
[12:44] <paines> Alatriste, thats really bad an shouldn't happen
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: your computer is okay?
[12:44] <Alatriste> fritsch: , what command exactly?
[12:44] <fritsch> Alatriste: apt-get update
[12:44] <Alatriste> paines: i think yes i changed only two months ago
[12:44] <jott_> exmethix: install python-gnome2-extras
[12:45] <fritsch> Alatriste: this really should not end up in segmentation fault
[12:45] <Alatriste> fritsch: , update only says segmentation fault
[12:45] <paines> Alatriste, best is , cause this is very debian specifi, to ask in a debian channel
[12:45] <fritsch> Alatriste: execute "dmesg", do you see errors?
[12:46] <Alatriste> fritsch: , not
[12:46] <exmethix> jott_: ok
[12:46] <Alatriste> and everything works right in win and linux
[12:46] <fritsch> Alatriste: did you do the apt.conf change because of this error?
[12:46] <fritsch> Alatriste: revert it
[12:46] <mioemi> can anybody tell me how I can install wine?
[12:47] <Alatriste> fritsch: yes,
[12:47] <Alatriste> fritsch: , oki
[12:47] <fritsch> mioemi: sudo apt-get install wine
[12:47] <mioemi> ok frits
[12:48] <mioemi> let me make an attempt now
[12:48] <Alatriste> fritsch: , if i remove now i get the "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
[12:48] <_dbglt> hrmm anyone know what I have to install in apollon to get the media player function working? I  get "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player."
[12:50] <fritsch> Alatriste: okay! this error i saw before
[12:50] <fritsch> Alatriste: add this: APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; <- to your apt.conf
[12:51] <fritsch> your number was much too high, i think
[12:53] <fritsch> Alatriste: working?
[12:53] <Rodil> ok, I downloaded a copy of build-essential, does it need to be in a specific place for apt.get install to find it?
[12:54] <Alatriste> fritsch: , yes, but now i get again the segmentation error
[12:57] <fritsch> Alatriste: hehe, play with the values?
[01:01] <Alatriste> uff
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: a bit of googling said, that this can be caused by a messed up sources.list
[01:01] <Alatriste> fritsch: , very thnkas, in increased the size a lot
[01:01] <abattoir> Rodil: you 'downloaded' it? you mean you downloaded the .deb file manually?
[01:01] <fritsch> can you pastebin you sources.list somewhere
[01:01] <Alatriste> fritsch: and now it works :)
[01:01] <Rodil> yeah
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: hehe, cool
[01:01] <fritsch> Alatriste: which value did you take?
[01:02] <Alatriste> fritsch: APT::Cache-Limit "19388608";
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: there's an easier method, 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' will automatically download, and install it for you
[01:02] <Rodil> I think my package list is messed up...
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: oh, oops, sorry :P
[01:02] <fritsch> Alatriste: have to leave for short (built beta pacakges of network-manager)
[01:02] <abattoir> Rodil: then you can install it by 'sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file'
[01:03] <Rodil> E: Couldn't find package build-essential for the apt-get install build essential...
[01:05] <abattoir> Rodil: hmmm.. wait a sec, what exactly i sthe background, does apt not work for you or...?
[01:05] <Rodil> how do I tell if apt is working or not?
[01:06] <abattoir> Rodil: wait... you seem to have had some problem w/ your sources.list right?
[01:06] <Rodil> yeah
[01:08] <Rodil> I can bring that up, but I'm on a different box here, so no cut and paste, anything I'm looking for in specific?  It mostly says... 'line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:'
[01:10] <Rodil> and I think apt is working fine, used it on a couple other things
[01:10] <marek_> hi
[01:10] <Rodil> hi
[01:10] <abattoir> Rodil: that's normal if you werent connected to the internet whilst installing
[01:10] <Rodil> ahhh
[01:10] <Rodil> so how to fix?
[01:10] <marek_> can some one assistme with ubuntu problems?
[01:11] <Rodil> the problem being that I can't get online as is
[01:11] <Rodil> with that box
[01:11] <abattoir> Rodil: just uncomment the line w/ something like 'deb http://some/url/ dapper main restricted'
[01:11] <abattoir> Rodil: oh, you cant get online? then how'd you get the packages from main?
[01:12] <abattoir> Rodil: 'build-essential' is a meta-package, i.e. it depends on other packages, downloading that manually and installing it wont work
[01:12] <abattoir> Rodil: you'd need to download all the packages it depends on too
[01:13] <Rodil> I dunno, maybe I haven't gotten the packages and thats the problem, I can't get online and every possible fix I've found thus far involves getting the make command which involves getting online
[01:13] <Rodil> for the getting online thing, kppp is giving me a 'modem is busy' error
[01:30] <marek_> help needed here with ubuntu
[01:32] <user_> what kind of help do U need marek?
[01:32] <marek_> tv
[01:32] <marek_> out
[01:32] <marek_> mp3 palys funny
[01:33] <user_> how?
[01:33] <marek_> when i listen to music its like shaking
[01:33] <marek_> i dont konow how to explain
[01:34] <narvik86> !info mp3
[01:34] <ubotu> Package mp3 does not exist in dapper
[01:34] <narvik86> !mp3
[01:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:34] <user_> have U tried checking on the video hardware in use?
[01:34] <marek_> it feels like playing music on my old amiga when i han nod enough procesor power
[01:35] <marek_> i have instaled standart codecs
[01:36] <marek_> other thing that i cant use tv out
[01:36] <narvik86> what player are you using?
[01:37] <narvik86> marek_ are you PL?
[01:38] <marek_> yes
[01:39] <marek_> i use all player with same effect
[01:39] <narvik86> marek_ try #ubuntu-pl, forum.ubuntu.pl albo razem sprobojemy cos wykombinowac
[01:40] <marek_> :)
[01:41] <marek_> narvik86 jestes zarajestrowany?
[01:41] <narvik86> yes :)
[01:41] <marek_> pm do mnie
[01:42] <narvik86> marek_ otrzymales pm ?
[01:44] <marek_> tak
[01:44] <narvik86> i?
[01:45] <marek_> mushe sie zarejestrovac
[01:45] <MistaED> hey is kubuntu's kde 3.5.4 for dapper got a buggy HAL?
[01:46] <abattoir> MistaED: what's the problem? media:/ ?
[01:48] <MistaED> abattoir: my dad is using ubuntu (gnome) but he wanted the latest kaffeine player for his dvb tv card, and i noticed it updated a bunch of HAL-related stuff
[01:48] <studio_> come posso fare per vedere i wmv?
[01:48] <abattoir> !it
[01:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:48] <MistaED> abattoir: now he is having problems with the printer usb turning off and on and gnome-volume-manager has crashed once or twice
[01:49] <_lars9> hmm... anyone had the problem that ath0 suddenly disappeard?
[01:49] <abattoir> MistaED: could be, but the hal updates must have come from the official ubuntu repos...
[01:49] <MistaED> abattoir: i have also been having some issues, where my mouse would lock up and gvm crashed as well, i think i'll have to downgrade the packages or something
[01:50] <abattoir> MistaED: the only ones i've heard are related to media:/ in konq, where all the mounted/unmounted partitions arent shown
[01:50] <abattoir> MistaED: asked @ # ubuntu ?
[01:51] <MistaED> abattoir: i thought i would ask here first because i heard 3.5.4 had some hal-related updates for managing media and it did update from the kde-354 repo on kubuntu.org
[01:52] <abattoir> MistaED: kubuntu.org has hal packages?
[01:52] <abattoir> MistaED: yes, it does...
[01:53] <MistaED> abattoir: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/pool-dapper/extra/hal/
[01:53] <abattoir> yes, i just saw
[01:53] <MistaED> ;)
[01:53] <abattoir> MistaED: yes, you could try downgrading... might solve your problems
[02:00] <visik7> someone here using knode?
[02:01] <visik7>  there is a bug in knode
[02:01] <visik7> the config dialog is empty
[02:01] <visik7> completly empty
[02:02] <narvik86> i'm ap-getting knode :)
[02:03] <narvik86> which config dialog?
[02:03] <narvik86> settings -> knode configuration?
[02:04] <visik7> yes
[02:04] <MistaED> abattoir: cool just did it to both machines, should i post a bug report of sorts? i'm not sure exactly how
[02:04] <visik7> here is completly empty
[02:04] <narvik86> i have there all options
[02:04] <narvik86> appearance
[02:05] <visik7> are u using 3.5.2 or 3.5.3 or 3.5.4 ?
[02:05] <abattoir> MistaED: did what, you went back to 3.5.3 ?
[02:05] <visik7> narvik86: what kde are u using the default provided with dapper ?
[02:05] <narvik86> visik7 not sure, how can i be sure?
[02:06] <MistaED> abattoir: nah i just downgraded the hal packages but kept the kde updates, kaffeine isn't dependent on the latest hal it seems
[02:06] <visik7> have u add the repos for another kde ? I guess no
[02:06] <narvik86> no
[02:06] <abattoir> MistaED: aah, ok, i guess it's worth filing a bug if you have seen it in two machines
[02:06] <visik7> ok so it's3.5.2
[02:07] <narvik86> MistaED: how to downgrade?
[02:08] <MistaED> narvik86: i just used synaptic and selected force version on the hal packages, and changed it to the earlier version that way
[02:08] <MistaED> abattoir: also cheers for the assistance
[02:08] <narvik86> visik7: but in konqueror -> help -> about KDE o have 3.5.4
[02:08] <visik7> mm
[02:08] <narvik86> MistaED: ok thanks :)
[02:08] <visik7> so u are using kubuntu kde packages
[02:08] <visik7> so
[02:08] <abattoir> MistaED: no problem :)
[02:09] <visik7> is there a news reader in main ?
[02:09] <labaznik> howdy
[02:09] <narvik86> visik7: for usenet?
[02:09] <visik7> yes
[02:11] <narvik86> visik7: by default - no, but I think Thunderbird can read usenet
[02:14] <labaznik> 5.10 was quite slow on my celeron700 256mb. will 6.06 be faster? had to switch to vectorlinix - it runs like win95 :) but no package managment
[02:14] <Healot> labaznik, read, 256MB minimun for running the GUI :)
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> labaznik: I use kanotix on a similar spec laptop and it runs pretty fast (kubuntu dapper was too slow)
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> labznik: or try xubuntu that will run fine
[02:17] <visik7> narvik86: thunderbird is gtk
[02:18] <labaznik> sucks... it takes me 30mb running icewm under vector. not much precompiled software, slow processor... it was so exciting upgrading badger. but when i make 10 tabs even in opera, it goes slow
[02:18] <visik7> I'm happy without loading gtk
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> labaznik: xfce with xubuntu would run pretty quick
[02:20] <labaznik> by the way i got common going without laptop and making my irc session with siemens sk65 right now :)
[02:21] <narvik86> visik7: i don't know any others
[02:23] <narvik86> visik7: http://klibido.sourceforge.net/ but it is for binary files
[02:25] <labaznik> ...and the fastest debian i ever tried was damn small linux
[02:26] <labaznik> gotta go
[02:26] <narvik86> cu
[02:30] <guti_> hola
[02:36] <hagus> Hi GreyRodil :)
[02:36] <hagus> I have a question that is very simple to ask but probably not so easy to answer.
[02:37] <hagus> I have mislaid my username and password for my linksys router.
[02:37] <GreyRodil> this is worse than my old days of programming, 7 hours straight on the same problem...
[02:37] <hagus> Is there any other way of getting into it?
[02:37] <sergiusens> hagus: reset?
[02:38] <hagus> When I go to the router homepage, it says not authorised.  I am not sure how I could reset.  Would it be somewhere else that I would do it?
[02:39] <sergiusens> hagus: what router do you have?
[02:39] <hagus> linksys home router
[02:39] <hagus> The kind that you can get off the shelf at Tesco :)
[02:39] <helfrez> hard reset it, ust hold down the reset button for liek 10secs
[02:39] <hagus> ah ty :)
[02:39] <helfrez> should blow out all the configs
[02:40] <helfrez> usually on the back, requires a pushpin or something to get at
[02:41] <hagus> found it - beside power cable
[02:41] <hagus> Now before I press it :)
[02:42] <GreyRodil> ok, heres my problem, I cant get online with my kubuntu laptop which I just converted to kubuntu, every time I try with Kppp it says the modem is busy.  everything I've tried so far has either gotten me nowhere or has suggested something that requires getting it online first....
[02:43] <hagus> Once I press it, I shall lose my connect with you folk here - I guess :)
[02:44] <sergiusens> hagus: yes you will... if it's your way into the net
[02:45] <bugunu> hi, i'm trying to find the man page for XkbSetDetectableAutoRepeat, in adept I can only see xmanpages-ja (japanese). Need help.
[02:47] <Healot> man xorg.conf bugunu
[02:47] <hagus> I have found my router settings (except the username and password), so I am set for the switch off - I hope :-)
[02:48] <hagus> See you later - possibly MUCH later if this does not work out as I hope lol
[02:49] <hagus> thanks for your help sergiusens and helfrez :)
[02:50] <bugunu> Healot: can't seem to find anydata about XkbSetDetectableAutoRepeat this is a function i think i need the X development manpages but don't know where from(package name?)
[02:52] <sergiusens> hagus: you're welcome
[02:53] <helfrez> hagus: np
[02:55] <bleh> I cant mount dvd -r cds.. help me please :(
[02:55] <rodrigo> sergiusens: ya te vi amigo!
[02:58] <GreyRodil> is there any way to get the make command if apt-get isn't getting it?
[02:59] <Healot> !info build-essential
[02:59] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In repository main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[02:59] <GreyRodil> same problem
[02:59] <kristyon> something wrong with your sources.list if apt-get wont get it
[02:59] <GreyRodil> how do i fix the sources list?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:59] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:00] <BluesKaj> 1. An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module. 2.You have old third party modules lying around. ...How do I fix this ? !
[03:01] <BluesKaj> Systen Settings doesn't see my cd/dvd-rom drive , or my graphics card
[03:02] <BluesKaj> narvik86, hello :)
[03:02] <bleh> why cant I get dvd-r disks to mount?
[03:03] <narvik86> i don't have menu bar in konversation
[03:04] <bugunu> narvik86: Ctrl+M
[03:04] <GreyRodil> there a way to fix the sources list?
[03:04] <BluesKaj> narvik86, 1. An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module. 2.You have old third party modules lying around. ...How do I fix this ? !
[03:05] <kosh> GreyRodil: yeah you just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file and put the correct entries in
[03:05] <narvik86> tried with installing kcontrol?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> narvik86, this is a quote from System settings
[03:06] <kosh> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic   use that
[03:06] <GreyRodil> where do I find the correct entries?
[03:07] <synie> hello
[03:07] <narvik86> BluesKaj: i don't have idea righ now :/ try to do smth with kcontrol maybe
[03:08] <GreyRodil> kosh: where do I find the correct entries for the sources.list?
[03:09] <kosh> I just put a link to it
[03:09] <synie> i want to open a german document with some german letters (like , , etc). usually i can display those letters, but in this document, i can't. i have no idea why. i also set the system language to german, but it didn't help. i sent the document to a friend and he can see the letters.
[03:09] <GreyRodil> o, woops, missed that, thanks
[03:10] <narvik86> BluesKaj: kde-systemsettings packet or kcontrol
[03:11] <narvik86> BluesKaj: be right back
[03:11] <jott> synie: make sure you have set the right encoding - utf-8 / iso 8859-1(5) ...
[03:11] <Chuck> Ive got a question, how could I make a permanent symlink?
[03:12] <_thumper_> just installed kubuntu edgy on laptop
[03:12] <_thumper_> using it right now
[03:12] <_thumper_> so network is working
[03:12] <_thumper_> however default sources.list is all commented out
[03:12] <_thumper_> when I tried archive.ubuntu.com, I got
[03:12] <lied> is there an mediaplayer out there which can handley streaming playlists with passwords?
[03:13] <_thumper_> 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)] 
[03:13] <_thumper_> ip address didn look right
[03:13] <_thumper_> why do I have to hit single quote twice?
[03:14] <jott> _thumper_: no nodead-keys set? ;)
[03:15] <_thumper_> jott, dunno what you mean...#
[03:15] <_thumper_> tweaked sources.list and seems to be getting something now
[03:15] <_thumper_> perhaps just a slow dhcp acquire
[03:15] <_thumper_> not sure
[03:16] <jott> _thumper_: keyboard layout can have nodead keys or not.. which means that ' and ^ and so are used to make accents or are used at once...
[03:16] <_thumper_> jott, ah ok
[03:16] <jott> so check in control center keyboard layout you have variant nodeadkeys
[03:18] <robinsw> Hi, guys
[03:18] <robinsw> How can I see if my display settings for color are 32bit?
[03:18] <Shinzetsu> kmenu > settings > display?
[03:18] <robinsw> Thought that, but it only allows me to set resolution.
[03:18] <Shinzetsu> hang on
[03:18] <robinsw> Thanks, Shinzetsu
[03:19] <Shinzetsu> hm I cant find it either
[03:19] <Shinzetsu> actually I never cared about it, thinking it was 32b by default
[03:19] <robinsw> Weird
[03:19] <jott> kinfocenter -> X-Server
[03:19] <robinsw> Thanks for looking
[03:19] <jott> Depth of Root Window
[03:19] <robinsw> Aha
[03:19] <robinsw> Didn't think of looking there
[03:19] <robinsw> Thanks, guys
[03:20] <bogo> does anyone know how to change the system keymap? I selected the wrong one at the initial boot screen of the install CD
[03:20] <robinsw> jott, it's set to 24-bit
[03:20] <robinsw> Can I adjust this?
[03:21] <jott> in xorg.conf in screen section you can define a depth
[03:21] <robinsw> Righty ho.
[03:21] <jott> DefaultDepth
[03:21] <robinsw> For a complete noob who's just come over from Windows, how can I adjust that?
[03:21] <robinsw> I assume we're hitting the terminal here?
[03:22] <jott> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:22] <Healot> robinsw, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xrog"
[03:22] <Hawkwind> robinsw: systemsettings
[03:22] <_thumper_> wtf? updated source.list to enable a few more, and now cant ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com any more
[03:22] <Healot> robinsw, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:22] <jott> hm or via those hints ;)
[03:22] <robinsw> Got the bugger!
[03:22] <robinsw> Changed 24 to 32
[03:22] <robinsw> Thanks, guys
[03:22] <robinsw> :)
[03:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[03:24] <_thumper_> damn it
[03:24] <_thumper_> gotta get back to work
[03:25] <sergiusens> anyone using kpowersave?
[03:25] <MilhousePunkRock> I parted my HDD lately (without losing any data btw), how do I get one of the partitions mounted as a folder within my ~?
[03:25] <justjosh> !firewall
[03:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:26] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: Yes, I am...
[03:26] <lmosher> My PC doesn't seem to recognize my digital camera - but google says it should recognize just fine. How should I proceed? What can I try?
[03:27] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: did you get any problems? i didn't check much into it, but I get xserver errors, so my session is lost upon resume from S3
[03:27] <justjosh> !camera
[03:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about camera - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:27] <justjosh> !import
[03:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about import - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:27] <justjosh> hmm...guess the bot knows nothing.
[03:27] <sergiusens> it previously worked with ubuntu's default suspend scripts...
[03:27] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: Well... That might have something to do with your video chip, at least that's the case here...
[03:28] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: You might want to use a supsend2-patched kernel.
[03:28] <justjosh> !firestarter
[03:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[03:28] <sergiusens> I have a i915 and it used to work so I know it does... at least with klaptop it does
[03:28] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: ok, i'll look into it
[03:29] <MilhousePunkRock> I don't think KPowersave is the problem, it's just a frontend...
[03:29] <lmosher> LOL ok camera fixed.. important question I should have asked "does it have full batteries?"
[03:29] <lmosher> thanks :P
[03:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Although it might use slightly different scripts, sergiusens
[03:29] <opsidao> hi
[03:29] <sergiusens> it's a forntend to powersave wich I tried and had the same problems...
[03:30] <opsidao> somebody has an understanding on the implementation of http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html in kubuntu?
[03:30] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: yes I've been reading the scripts, I have yet to tranlate the ones in /etc/acpi and integrate them with the ones in /etc/powersave
[03:31] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: Anyway, the suspend2 patched kernels are here: http://bernard.blackham.com.au/babble/
[03:32] <djclue917> opsidao: what seems to be the problem?
[03:32] <opsidao> first, the XDG_.. env variables are not set
[03:32] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: i guess they don't integrate with kpowersave...
[03:33] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: Yes they do...
[03:33] <opsidao> and I'll also like to know what is the main menu file used in kubuntu and if it differs from the ubuntu one
[03:33] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: good... i'll try them
[03:33] <alterato> Have an odd keyboard input problem after running initial updates... Am unable to type in seeminly random kde password dialogs and System Settings Admin. mode pw dialogs... Any clue how to fix?
[03:33] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: thanks ;-)
[03:33] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: They did not solve my problems with STR, but they are known to be pretty good...
[03:34] <opsidao> there are /etx/xdg/menus/applications.menu (supposed to be the default)
[03:34] <opsidao> but also the /etx/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[03:34] <sergiusens> MilhousePunkRock: the thing is, that before, when using ubuntu, s2r worked...
[03:35] <MilhousePunkRock> sergiusens: Then KPowersave uses different scripts, most likely... If you understand that stuff, you can probably change them to something that will work.
[03:36] <opsidao> and there is a folder called kde-applications-merged wich I suppose is the DefaultMergeDir for kde-applications.menu
[03:36] <opsidao> but it is (IMHO) not exactly standard compliant
[03:38] <ninHer> hi @ll
[03:39] <Shinzetsu> h3llo
[03:41] <brandon_> watching a youtube video in konq takes the cpu to over 60%
[03:41] <alterato> Have an odd keyboard input problem after running initial updates... Am unable to type in seeminly random kde password dialogs and System Settings Admin. mode pw dialogs... Any clue how to fix?
[03:45] <BluesKaj> i hate konq as a browser ..it's a hog
[03:46] <opsidao> BluesKaj: luckily not eveybody likes the same ;)
[03:47] <Healot> i use konq fine... but there is one thing i don't prefer
[03:47] <Healot> brandon_, it's the Flash plugin that nog CPU, not konq
[03:48] <opsidao> my only problem with konq is that it can't open fine all the webs
[03:48] <opsidao> but it does open most of them
[03:49] <Chuck> did anyone had the Problem that kwallet stops open an Site by loggin in to it? I look through all the Cookies and accepted all, but it doesnt work at some sites.
[03:50] <aliasfred> about the flash plugin hogging the cpu, i was wondering... is it the same on window ? or is it due to the linux implemetation of it ?
[03:51] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:52] <Healot> yes, the implementation done by Macromedia
[03:52] <rolando> hi
[03:52] <aliasfred> Healot: so it is as slow on window too ?
[03:53] <Healot> it is true for linux, since the binary isn't optimised
[03:53] <rolando> i just installed kubuntu over mandriva, and i saved my old .kde as .kdeold
[03:53] <rolando> what folders should i copy to have my kwallet password in my new kde???
[03:53] <aliasfred> Healot: ok :) but what about the window implementation. as it is my question :)
[03:54] <Chuck> why?
[03:54] <Healot> ask macromedia perhaps?
[03:54] <Chuck> rolando: why dont you use your old kde configs?
[03:54] <Healot> perhaps perhaps, perhaps :)
[03:54] <aliasfred> Healot: hehe ok :) i guess i will have to ask somebody who tried flash on window :)
[03:55] <Chuck> I mean, all of them
[03:55] <aliasfred> thinking about it, i know one :)
[03:55] <Healot> sure
[03:55] <rolando> Chuck: because it was old version of kde 3.4 and id like to keep current configuration
[03:55] <bojan> the kde 3.5.4 packages for Kubuntu are fixed now right?
[03:55] <Healot> I do have Flash on my windows xp, installed :)
[03:55] <rolando> i just want from old kde my kwallet passwords
[03:55] <Healot> but mostly it doesn't do much harm
[03:55] <bojan> in relation to the the default-settings bug?
[03:55] <aliasfred> Healot: ok have you already run it ?
[03:55] <Healot> btw, I am on Windows XP :)
[03:55] <aliasfred> Healot: so you say that that flash is faster on window then on linux ?
[03:56] <damian_> are win32codecs binary blobs or the product of reverse engineering
[03:56] <aliasfred> damian_: yes
[03:56] <damian_> which one
[03:56] <rolando> reverse
[03:56] <Healot> aliasfred, define faster?
[03:56] <damian_> then why doesn't it come with kubuntu by default
[03:57] <aliasfred> damian_: well i dunno :) some are just copied some the window dll
[03:57] <Healot> i would say Flash for Windows doesn't crash Internet Explorer or Firefox at most of the time
[03:57] <aliasfred> damian_: because it is illegal in many country :)
[03:57] <damian_> so they *are* binary blobs
[03:57] <damian_> they probably use a wrapper
[03:57] <aliasfred> Healot: hehe like faster in english :) i guess i wont get the answer from you :)
[03:58] <Healot> damian_, it can work with original Windows codecs...
[03:58] <aliasfred> damian_: yes they do, it is to run the window dll on linux
[03:59] <BluesKaj> How do I find KDE orphaned control modules ?
[04:02] <rolando> try #kde
[04:03] <Healot> aliasfred, faster than what? need something to compare with
[04:05] <aliasfred> Healot: man i dont get you :)
[04:05] <aliasfred> Healot: the question is "does the flash plugin run faster on window than on linux?"
[04:06] <aliasfred> i havent window so i havent tried. but it is ok i remember a friend of mine running window, i will ask him
[04:07] <aliasfred> as this ontheside topic is becoming a long offtopic thread :)
[04:09] <Healot> faster than what?
[04:10] <Healot> the answer should depends on your CPU spec, but generally Windows' version is faster
[04:10] <justjosh> faster than my ex-girlfriend on a meth binge?
[04:11] <justjosh> nah, nothing is THAT fast....
[04:13] <eeos> hi there. Is there anyone who has been able to use Rosegarden 4 on kubuntu?
[04:13] <justjosh> !rosegarden
[04:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about rosegarden - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:13] <justjosh> well heck with you then bot.
[04:14] <damian_> why is it that i can't have amaroK and firefox play sound at the same time
[04:15] <eeos> damian_: we are having problems with sound on kubuntu as well
[04:15] <damian_> i've had that problem in suse too
[04:15] <jott> damian_: start firefox (or any application using oss) with "aoss firefox"
[04:15] <damian_> is it the sound server's fault?
[04:15] <eeos> damian_: same type of problem. one appliction does seem to exclude others from sound
[04:16] <damian_> is aoss a sound server?
[04:16] <jott> then its mapped to alsa.. which should in turn use dmix so it allows more than one application to access it
[04:16] <jott> damian_: no it wraps /dev/dsp to alsa
[04:16] <damian_> ok
[04:18] <eeos> anyone who knows how to use jackd as a sound server on kubuntu?
[04:18] <valdiney> Ol amigos...
[04:19] <imbrandon> Ola
[04:19] <eeos> ola, como estas?
[04:20] <valdiney> algum aqui usa o Azureus Torrent?
[04:20] <imbrandon> bueno
[04:21] <imbrandon> valdiney: si
[04:21] <imbrandon> valdiney: volver un minuto
[04:22] <valdiney> estou tendo um problema com ele... Sempre que eu abro o Azureus, depois de algum tempo aparece uma notificao de atualizao e a mesma no fecha mais.
[04:25] <TheHighChild> Does anyone have the missing address bar problem with KOnqueror after the upgrade to 3.5.4? abattoir was able to help me get it back last night temporarily, now I can't get it back at all
[04:25] <aliasfred> !pt
[04:25] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[04:25] <aliasfred> just in case the question is still pending :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> valdiney: meu portugus  no grande mas, aquele  um problema sabido com Azures, voc pode comear uma outra verso de azureus.sf.net e  fixo
[04:28] <imbrandon> doh , he is gone
[04:28] <eeos> TheHighChild: I do not have the problem. 3.5.4 on kubuntu 6.06 amd 64 here.
[04:30] <eeos> TheHighChild: what is your configuration
[04:32] <TheHighChild> Dapper with KDE 3.5.4
[04:32] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: Ctrl+M doen't get it back?
[04:33] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: that is the menu bar
[04:33] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: Ah Good point. Astute
[04:34] <eeos> TheHighChild: settings > toolbars > location toolbar
[04:34] <eeos> TheHighChild: does that work?
[04:34] <TheHighChild> eeos: That is not in the list
[04:35] <eeos>  TheHighChild: what is in the list?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to logout of Kubuntu but it's not responding...is there another cnd I can use to shut it down without causing problems ?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> cmd
[04:37] <TheHighChild> eeos: http://www.milkspank.com/ubuntu/toolbars.png
[04:38] <BluesKaj> !logout
[04:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about logout - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:38] <BluesKaj> damn~!
[04:38] <TheHighChild> BluesKaj: 'sudo halt'
[04:38] <TheHighChild> that will power down
[04:38] <mark_> my sound only wokrs when i don't plug my webcam in, this has something to do with the integrated microphone of the webcam i think... sometimes when I start and the cam is plugged it works and in the volume control it shows "ca0106" which is the cam and "USB Device", but sometimes there is only "USB Device" and "USB device - oss control". now how can i make the computer know that i want the microphone of the cam and my soundcard to work and n
[04:38] <emonkey-p> BluesKaj, sudo shutdown -h will shutdown your system immediately, sudo reboot will reboot the system immediately
[04:39] <BluesKaj> thx  guys
[04:40] <eeos>  TheHighChild: is not there
[04:40] <emonkey-p> seems like it works :)
[04:40] <eeos>  TheHighChild:  :-(
[04:40] <TheHighChild> eeos: thus my problem
[04:40] <TheHighChild> it's horribly annoying. I hate everyone other ftp and fish client
[04:40] <TheHighChild> every*
[04:41] <eeos>  TheHighChild: I have to get a look at it
[04:42] <mark_> oops, sorry ca0106 is the sound card
[04:43] <eeos> TheHighChild: what happens if you do settings > configure toolbars
[04:44] <TheHighChild> eeos: http://www.milkspank.com/ubuntu/tools2.png
[04:45] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know of a more konqueror specific irc chat?
[04:46] <justjosh> konversation?
[04:46] <eeos> konversation
[04:46] <mark_> konversation !
[04:47] <TheHighChild> ORLY?
[04:48] <eeos> !konversation
[04:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about konversation - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:48] <eeos> oooops, have to leave!
[04:48] <[Wiebel] > Hello
[04:48] <[Wiebel] > I've just installed kde (apt-get install kde) in ubuntu
[04:49] <[Wiebel] > and now I want to get my multimedia keys to work
[04:49] <justjosh> why not just install kubuntu?
[04:49] <justjosh> but anyway...
[04:49] <DaSkreech> [Wiebel] : You should apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:49] <[Wiebel] > justjosh: i didn't want the splash screen and kdm and stuff
[04:49] <[Wiebel] > (bootsplash that is)
[04:49] <[Wiebel] > Kmilo should be configurable , right?
[04:50] <mark_> so nobody knows how i could get my soundcard to work with the webcam?
[04:50] <Moo_Moo> http://wlserver1-he.gindis.com/modules.php?name=WLAccount&file=visitor&op=game&userid=MzU4Ng== gindis game the best game on online
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Why does the webcam need a soundcard?
[04:51] <mark_> it doesn't
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Ah that's what I though
[04:52] <dragica> #pitaubuntu-h
[04:52] <mark_> but sometimes (it seems to be randomly) the sound works (and i can see it in the volume control) and sometimes it doesn't
[04:52] <mark_> but when i do not connect the webcam sound always works
[04:53] <bojan> are the kde 3.5.4 packages for Kubuntu dapper fixed, with relation to the default-settings bug?
[04:54] <mark_> you see daskreech?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> which webcam?
[04:54] <mark_> umm
[04:54] <mark_> Logitech Quick Cam Zoom
[04:55] <mark_> and it works fine, but it seems to block the sound but only sometimes!
[04:56] <[Wiebel] > nobody who can tell me how to configure my MM keys under kde?
[04:56] <[Wiebel] > (gnome just works)
[04:57] <Bud_Spencer> install lineak-kde
[04:57] <Bud_Spencer> should work
[04:57] <[Wiebel] > what is it? :)
[04:58] <TheHighChild> [Wiebel] : Kmenu > System Settings > Regional & Accessibility
[04:58] <[Wiebel] > TheHighChild: and then what? :)
[04:58] <Bud_Spencer> a packege apt-get install lineak-kde
[04:58] <[Wiebel] > Bud_Spencer: yeah, but what is linEAK?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> have you done a search on google to find out if the Quick Zoom is a known problem child?
[04:59] <Bud_Spencer> Its a programm with which you can configure your keyboard also your MM-keys
[04:59] <mark_> ok you got me :)
[04:59] <mark_> i only searched for the sound card since the cam works fine
[05:00] <TheHighChild> [Wiebel] : http://www.tannerstokes.com/2006/08/02/getting-those-multimedia-keys-to-work-in-kubuntu/
[05:00] <[Wiebel] > TheHighChild: yeah, but that's not the right way
[05:01] <[Wiebel] > I know it works perfecly in deault kubuntu
[05:01] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:01] <farous> mark_: can you tell me more about your sound problem. you said it worked sometimes other not what programs you were running when it worked and what programs when it were not
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Well it's the webcam not making the sound work acording to your theory :)
[05:01] <helfrez> bojan: for the most part i think they are, but the 354 packages definately still need alot of testing..they have been a bit buggy for me so far
[05:01] <mark_> it does not depend on programmes at all
[05:01] <mark_> with the webcam connected:
[05:01] <farous> mark_: is it when you run two programs using the sound?
[05:02] <mark_> i start the computer when i hear if it get this weird bongo sound or not
[05:02] <mark_> i can restart from there without changing anything and sound might work
[05:03] <mark_> and the difference is that if sound works in the volume control i can change the settings for "ca0106" (the soundcard) and some "usb device" (which is the mic of the cam)
[05:03] <farous> mark_: some programs use the old oss sound system which do not alow sound mixing. ie the usage of the sound card by two programs
[05:04] <mark_> yup but that works fine, if the card is visible in the volume control
[05:04] <farous> mark_: here you go when you hook the mic of the cam it uses the sound card and block any program from using it
[05:04] <alberto> Ciao a tutti. Ho installato Kubuntu. Vorrei montare una partizione del disco su cui ho dei dati da salvare. Il mio vecchio sistema non parte pi. Avevo impostato dei privilegi di lettura e scrittura per utente. Come faccio a recuperare i dati da quelle cartelle?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> !it
[05:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:04] <alberto> excuse me. try in English
[05:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:05] <Bud_Spencer> or urdu
[05:06] <abattoir> alberto: are you asking about data recovery? :P
[05:06] <mark_> i think the problem is some limitation of "sound devices" to two and a random choice of whether it's the soundcard or the mic or the mic in oss
[05:06] <abattoir> TheHighChild: got the location bar thing sorted out?
[05:08] <alberto> I've a system with some folders that I have to save. This system don't boot anymore, so I have to mount the partition from another installation in the same HD. On the old system I've many setup with authority per user. So, How can I read from theese protected folder from the new system?
[05:08] <dreamthief> hi everybody
[05:08] <bojan> helfrez: what problems?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> alberto: Try sudo su
[05:08] <DaSkreech> alberto: Then you can go anywhere
[05:09] <Bud_Spencer> alberto: in terminal sudo nautilus
[05:09] <alberto> so I can mount without any restriction?
[05:09] <TheHighChild> abattoir: well, I did a dpkg-reconfigure on everything konqueror. then fired it up and it was cool. I was launching it from my  internet applications menu and replaced the offending startup command with plain old 'Konqueror' so, in short, I have no idea wtf is gooing on
[05:10] <abattoir> TheHighChild: hah, i just read the last line... hope its enough :)
[05:10] <dreamthief> can somebody tell me why Kubuntu mounts my external usb harddisk in a way that only root can access it?
[05:10] <TheHighChild> it works when I use 'konqueror &' but not whatever is in the Internet apps menu by default
[05:10] <Bud_Spencer> no if it mounted, the partition, try "sudo chmod -R ugo=rwx /media/drive"
[05:10] <helfrez> bojan: i use kontact for mail/calendaring...mainly because its the only linux setup that syncs perfectly with my treo at the moment
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Bud_Spencer: Or konqueror
[05:10] <helfrez> and its been crashing alot
[05:11] <abattoir> TheHighChild: Konq in kubuntu comes w/ 2 view profiles... one for file management and another for webbrowsing
[05:11] <DaSkreech> alberto: only restrictions that make sense
[05:11] <bojan> ok
[05:11] <farous> dreamthief: are you in plugev group
[05:11] <farous> dreamthief: type groups in a terminal
[05:11] <abattoir> TheHighChild: my guess is that the location bar is missing for the file mgmt. view, while it is present for the web brwsng. view
[05:11] <harmental> hi everybody...
[05:12] <TheHighChild> abattoir: but I was launching the one in the Internet menu. lol
[05:12] <dreamthief> yes, I am in this group
[05:12] <TheHighChild> So it goes, I am not too worried. It's working for me now. I just like it for ftp and fish so as long as I have a work-around I am happy
[05:12] <abattoir> TheHighChild: yes, that'd launch 'konqueror' (kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing)
[05:13] <mikearthur> this is perhaps a stupid question
[05:13] <mikearthur> but can you upgrade the software on the live cd?
[05:13] <abattoir> TheHighChild: hehe, ok, as long as you are content, i dont want to confuse you :P
[05:13] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Yeah, that was it and that was without the address bar. WHen I just use 'konqueror' it starts fine
[05:13] <TheHighChild> I'm good, thanks for all of your help
[05:13] <abattoir> np :)
[05:14] <dreamthief> i am in this group but I can't access the usb disk ;) thats the point where confusion begins ... ;) @ farous
[05:14] <TheHighChild> I hadn't realized it started with different profiles. Now it makes sense, I must have a goofed inet profile
[05:15] <dreamthief> join #kubuntu-de
[05:15] <dreamthief> oops ;)
[05:15] <farous> dreamthief: i am trying to think of something yet frankly do not know
[05:15] <dreamthief> okay
[05:15] <farous> dreamthief: i still did not recieve my usb hard disk
[05:15] <farous> :)
[05:16] <dreamthief> is weird ...
[05:16] <farous> dreamthief: you can mount it manually though
[05:16] <dreamthief> ubuntu on my laptop mounts my harddisk user readable
[05:16] <dreamthief> kubuntu on my desktop doesn't
[05:16] <dreamthief> ...
[05:16] <farous> oh!
[05:16] <farous> that is really strange
[05:17] <dreamthief> yess ...
[05:17] <Akane`Mahoru> !seen shuriken
[05:17] <ubotu> I last saw Shuriken (n=alexandr@d213-103-195-139.cust.tele2.fr) 15h 34m 21s ago, quiting: Client Quit
[05:17] <Akane`Mahoru> oups
[05:17] <dreamthief> i even checked /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permission.rules
[05:17] <mikearthur> Whats the current workaround for installing onto an XFS boot?
[05:18] <dreamthief> usb harddisks should be readable by anyone in the plugdev group ...
[05:18] <farous> dreamthief: did you check it might be a reported bug
[05:18] <dreamthief> but my stupid harddisk is not user readable for any user in this group
[05:19] <dreamthief> no, i din't yet
[05:19] <dreamthief> but thats a good point ...
[05:19] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: if you wait til the 6.06.1 installer tesing is done it should be fixed int hat
[05:21] <the-mouse> Hi guys, I installed XGL on my kubuntu successfully but the controls doesn't work
[05:21] <mikearthur> ThunderStruck: can't wait till then
[05:22] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: oh than no ther eis no work around for it 6.06.1 should be out in few days to a wekk or so
[05:22] <mikearthur> ok, fair enough, I'll do all the grub stuff manually
[05:24] <david> hello ! how can i install java from www.java.com on ubuntu? the manuals did i found doenst work!
[05:24] <DaSkreech> the-mouse: THe controls?
[05:25] <mark_> they work too god for me i always get in the corners with my mouse...
[05:25] <the-mouse> for example i cna't change the desktops with the cube
[05:25] <the-mouse> can't*
[05:25] <Philip5> david: the easiest way is to apt-get install the java packges you want
[05:26] <david> i have installed all java packages
[05:26] <mikearthur> ThunderStruck: when you say its fixed, do you mean it doesn't crash the installer any more?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> the-mouse: Alt_ctrl+Left
[05:27] <farous> david: java is in multiverse repos you can install it from there much easier
[05:27] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: most of the installer crashes have been fixed including the xfs one
[05:27] <david> msg nickserv register 0355
[05:27] <farous> and do you mean java the lang or the java plugin for the web browser
[05:27] <ThunderStruck> david: /msg
[05:27] <farous> david: and change your passwd
[05:27] <mikearthur> ThunderStruck: can I not just apt-get upgrade the installer from within the live cd then?
[05:28] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: no its not an upgrade its a new version
[05:28] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: if i get ff up ill give you a link or 2
[05:28] <dek_aik> hi..howto insert application in the bottom part of the kmenu (between Run and Log Out)?
[05:29] <mikearthur> ThunderStruck: a link to the new installer?
[05:30] <ThunderStruck> biggest issues with livecd installer and when they will be fixed= https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity the point release still in testing= http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dapper/daily-live/current/
[05:30] <the-mouse> DaSkreech that doesn't wotk
[05:31] <ThunderStruck> mikearthur: there is one for kubuntu8 but i dont have that link here
[05:31] <DaSkreech> the-mouse: Which window decorator are you using?
[05:31] <the-mouse> decorator?
[05:32] <Coby1985> can no one help me with java ?
[05:32] <Coby1985> i have installed all packages
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Did you use the gnome window decorator or the kde?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Coby1985: Sup?
[05:32] <the-mouse> kde
[05:32] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:32] <Gun_Smoke> I
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Which walkthrough did you follow?
[05:33] <the-mouse> http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=1067
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Ah
[05:33] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:33] <DaSkreech> You may want to ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:33] <Gun_Smoke> I've decided to rejoin the the kde crew once again.
[05:33] <Coby1985> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[05:33] <Coby1985> it doenst work
[05:34] <farous> !java
[05:34] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[05:34] <DaSkreech> What doesn't work?
[05:34] <the-mouse> i also can't chanhge between my input languages
[05:34] <Coby1985> i cant open this page www.speedcheck.arcor.de
[05:34] <the-mouse> there is a "err" label instead of mu language flag in the ststray
[05:34] <the-mouse> systray*
[05:34] <Gun_Smoke> java won't work for PPC right?
[05:35] <Gun_Smoke> or was that just flash?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Coby1985: Perhaps you haven't installed the browser plugin?
[05:35] <mikearthur> how can I kill something if kill -9 won't kill it?
[05:36] <Coby1985> no thats java
[05:36] <Coby1985> what browser plugin
[05:36] <rlj> adept complained that it could not upgrade some package and shut down completely after i exited the dialog. now the apt database is wrongfully open. where can i find the lockfile to delete
[05:37] <mark_> what's "the best" non-linear video editing programme for linux?
[05:37] <djclue917> mark: kino?
[05:37] <djclue917> mark_: kino?
[05:37] <mark_> is that part of the name "?" ?
[05:37] <Jucato> rlj: try entering this in the command line "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[05:37] <djclue917> mark_: nope. i was just not sure..
[05:38] <Coby1985> http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp   >>>>> which version i can use
[05:38] <Jucato> djclue917: the name is "kino" (no quotes)
[05:38] <ubuntu> kikou
[05:38] <ubuntu> frensh pepole here ?
[05:38] <mark_> oh ok, thank you
[05:38] <mark_> frensh?
[05:38] <ubuntu> french
[05:38] <mark_> moi chuis allemand
[05:39] <rlj> Jucato: oh yeah. that's right. at least seems to be doing things now. (setting up the remanining unconfigured packages)
[05:39] <ubuntu> tu parle bien frech :/
[05:39] <djclue917> Jucato: yeah i know. i mean i wasn't sure if kino was THE best non-linear video editing program. anyways...
[05:39] <rlj> Jucato: i'm still new to apt. been using portage for quite a while though
[05:39] <Jucato> aaaah
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Coby1985: did you apt-get the sun version?
[05:39] <Jucato> rlj: it's ok. we were all new at one time
[05:40] <rlj> logging off now
[05:40] <rlj> seems it does not like that kde is open
[05:40] <Coby1985> first i must find apt-get
[05:40] <Coby1985> i use ubuntu not so long
[05:41] <Jucato> Coby1985: what are you trying to do? (sorry just came in)
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Coby1985: Or adept :)
[05:41] <Coby1985> i want to open this page www.speedcheck.arcor.de
[05:41] <Coby1985> and want to view some remote connections with VNC
[05:42] <Coby1985> i have adept
[05:42] <Jucato> DaSkreech: If he's trying to install Sun's Java from the repositories, he shouldn't use Adept or Synaptic. There's a license agreement that needs to be confirmed which doesn't show in either Adept or Synaptic
[05:42] <drbreen> jucato: it shows up in synaptic
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Good point :)
[05:43] <Jucato> drbreen: the License Agreement confirmation? last time I installed Java, it didn't
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I think it turns up in Adept as well if you have perl installed
[05:43] <mark_> can i import existing video files in kino?
[05:43] <Jucato> I don't think most freshly installed systems have perl. Not sure though
[05:43] <DaSkreech> They don't
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Coby1985: Do you have multiverse?
[05:44] <drbreen> jucato: the last time i tried to install java per synaptic, i got the chance to not confirm the license agreement (license == unfree)
[05:45] <Coby1985> what is multiverse ?
[05:45] <harmental> how do you keep latex packages updated??
[05:45] <DaSkreech> !multiverse > Coby1985
[05:45] <Jucato> drbreen: would the installation continue of you didn't accept the license agreement? this is the new Sun Java
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It doesn't
[05:45] <Coby1985> I use ubuntu not yet so long
[05:46] <abattoir> !multiverse > Coby1985
[05:46] <drbreen> jucato: it was on breezy, i declined and it did not continue
[05:46] <abattoir> Coby1985: that should give you the relevant info :)
[05:46] <Gun_Smoke> !multiverse > Gun_Smoke
[05:46] <Jucato> drbreen: Dapper has a new version of Sun Java, the one with a more compatible license
[05:46] <abattoir> DaSkreech: oops, sorry, didnt see your post :P
[05:47] <drbreen> jucato: so what is the new license ?
[05:47] <drbreen> jucato: what does it say so that it is "compatible"
[05:47] <uniq> Jucato: hi, any news on the media:/ stuff? i got your message about the HAL policy stuff not working.
[05:48] <Jucato> uniq: no luck, I gave up...
[05:48] <draik> Hello Jucato
[05:48] <drbreen> abattoir: can i "pipe" the output of ubotu with "!something > username" ?
[05:48] <Jucato> at least my system is still usable... just need to make some symlinks
[05:48] <Jucato> draik: hi!
[05:48] <abattoir> Jucato, uniq : guys, see if downgrading hal works for you
[05:48] <Jucato> drbreen: I'm not familiar with the exact license. I'll look up a reference for it
[05:49] <Jucato> abattoir: how would I be able to do that?
[05:49] <draik> Jucato, I turned the lecture in #ubuntu-classroom on IRC into PDF. Just goes to show how much free time I have
[05:49] <abattoir> drbreen:  yes, of course :)
[05:49] <uniq> abattoir: did it work for you? what version are you using?
[05:50] <Jucato> draik: lol... haven't had the chance to make a summary/review
[05:50] <abattoir> Jucato, uniq : i havent tried it myself, but someone else was here earlier in the day, w/ the media:/ problem among other things(hal-related)
[05:51] <oklinux> how can I make my onboard sound card to work ?
[05:51] <Jucato> it's definitely HAL related... it's the only rational explanation :-D
[05:51] <administrador> hello
[05:51] <administrador> i have a problem
[05:51] <abattoir> we found that the hal which came w/ kde 3.5.4 in dapper was causing the issues, he went back to the one from the 'official' ubuntu repos, and everything was back to normal
[05:52] <abattoir> he said he'd file a bug
[05:52] <uniq> abattoir: i got my apple bootstrap partition showing up by editing the HAL policies in /usr/share/hal/. Apple bootstrap partitions are special, though.
[05:52] <Jucato> abattoir: I wish I knew how to downgrade
[05:52] <uniq> Jucato: you're running dapper?
[05:52] <administrador> anybody help me
[05:52] <Jucato> abattoir: I also wish he would file the bug report... I'm traumatized from filing bug reports
[05:53] <Jucato> administrador: what's the problem?
[05:53] <Jucato> uniq: not right now... I'm on XP... @_@
[05:53] <uniq> Jucato: you have the problem in dapper?
[05:53] <administrador> I have 2 partitions
[05:53] <administrador> one with XP and another with Kubuntu
[05:53] <Jucato> uniq: yep in Dapper
[05:54] <DaSkreech> The power of Libre compels you!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> administrador: I fail to see the problem
[05:56] <ailean> hey, i'm looking for a Borland/Inprise style C/C++ IDE. what should i use?
[05:56] <ailean> with GUI
[05:56] <administrador> but I want to put for defect the Windows XP to boot automaticaly
[05:56] <Jucato> drbreen: I can't seem to remember the link about Sun Java, but since it's in multiverse, too
[05:56] <Jucato> ailean: I think KDevelop is worth a try?
[05:56] <abattoir> Jucato: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/pool-dapper/extra/hal/ has the packages 3.5.4 installs
[05:56] <damian_> or anjuta
[05:56] <ailean> thanks Jucato
[05:58] <abattoir> Jucato: forgive me... my brains have stopped working.... if you downgrade hal, KDE will stop working, all hell will break loose
[05:58] <Jucato> drbreen: found it from the blog of Mark Shuttleworth himself: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/38
[05:58] <uwo> want to try gnome - does n1 know how to install it without getting all the gnome apps in the kmenu? i saw a good solution once before on the forums, but can't remember what and where.
[05:58] <Jucato> abattoir: well... it's ok...
[05:59] <dr_willis> Hmm. I just normlly install ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop and have a blast with all the stuff. :P heck with minimal systems!
[06:00] <DaSkreech> administrador: rEAD Up on Grub
[06:00] <Jucato> uwo: to install GNOME/Ubuntu: "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop". Then you could probably use a program like "K Menu Gnome" ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31031) to clean up the menu...
[06:00] <administrador> I have 2 OS - Kubunto and Windows XP
[06:01] <administrador> but the Kubunto
[06:01] <administrador> doing boot automatically
[06:01] <uwo> jucato - tnx. exactly what i needed :)
[06:01] <administrador> but i want the WinXP
[06:01] <dr_willis> administrador,  you can edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and set it to load whatever ya want by default
[06:02] <draik> administrador, you can select what you want to boot from grub. You have 10s to decide
[06:02] <administrador> what
[06:02] <administrador> sorry
[06:02] <dr_willis> the line 'default = #' where # is the menu entry to boot by default.     Note that Grub starts counting at zero. so the menu entry for windows will be   the # of entrys -1
[06:02] <administrador> i don't understand
[06:02] <administrador> sorry
[06:03] <adna> "Connection to CUPS server failed." -Sound familiar?
[06:03] <dr_willis> Edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file administrador     and set the default boot entry.
[06:03] <dr_willis> adna,   you using the cups web interface?
[06:03] <draik> administrador, cual es tu idioma?
[06:03] <adna> PrinYes.
[06:03] <administrador> PT
[06:03] <Jucato> administrador: maybe this could help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%29
[06:04] <adna> I mean KDE Control Center.
[06:04] <dr_willis> adna,  ive never had good luck with the kde printer config tools. :()
[06:04] <adna> dr_willis: -and many people are bummed about CUPS right now...
[06:05] <dr_willis> adna,  i reenable the cups web interface on every system  i install.
[06:05] <adna> How do you do that?
[06:05] <dr_willis> the ubuntu devs sort of screwed up big time with some of their cups decisions.
[06:05] <dr_willis> :P
[06:05] <dek_aik> hi.....anybody knows how to insert menu in the bottom part of the Kmenu (between "Run Command" and "Log Out")?
[06:06] <Jucato> dek_aik: as far as I know, you can't insert customized menu entries.
[06:06] <Jucato> dek_aik: you can only choose from a predefined set
[06:06] <dr_willis> info on the crippling of CUPS in dapper  and how to fix it back to normal -->  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2107
[06:07] <dr_willis> KDE has a lot of config files and things ya can proberly tweek to change the menus.. but thats more for systemadmins to limit the users.
[06:07] <dr_willis> I saw a KDE KOISK mode tutorial once that changed a lot of things. but not sure if that was for an older kde or not.
[06:07] <adna> dr_willis: Thanks!
[06:07] <dek_aik> Jucato: really?...its too bad...i want to insert a script there
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[06:08] <administrador> but
[06:08] <administrador> that commands
[06:08] <administrador> were I writte
[06:08] <administrador> after the boot
[06:09] <administrador> or before
[06:09] <administrador> where I writte
[06:09] <hagus> Thanks again to those who helped me regain control of my router :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> administrador,  you are not being very clear.
[06:09] <Jucato> administrador: do those commands when you are in Kubuntu. then after edint menu.lst, you have to reboot
[06:09] <draik> administrador, write the boot number that belongs to your winxp boot
[06:10] <_martin> Got a problem with my CD drive... Kubuntu doesn't appear to mount any CD's anymore. Where might I start my investigation into this?
[06:10] <draik> _martin, check /media
[06:10] <draik> I had a similar issue a while back
[06:10] <Jucato> _martin: what version of KDE are you using?
[06:11] <admin__> j/ #zawiercie
 which is the boot number that belongs to my xp boot
[06:11] <admin__> sorry :-)
[06:12] <draik> I don't know
[06:12] <hagus> Anyone here with experience of adding a linux machine to a winxp home network, so that (1) the winxp computers can print to linux machine's printer and (2) to let linux machine see the windows computers?
[06:12] <Jucato> administrador: you have to count it by yourself. You're the only one who sees your menu.lst
[06:12] <draik> administrador, I don't know how many options you have. If you have 3 for linux and 1 for xp, then it's number 3
[06:12] <_martin> Jucato: not actually sure... hoe would I check. It would be from the CD verion of breezy badger.
[06:12] <Jucato> oooh
[06:13] <Jucato> you're using Breezy Badger (Kubuntu 5.10)?
[06:13] <_martin> yes
[06:13] <_martin> I'm about to go to 6.06 but want to back some stuff up
[06:13] <_martin> without a CD drive working i'm slightely miffed.
[06:14] <gan|y|med> hello
[06:14] <administrador> ok, but i want to know edit this commands --> ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%29 )
[06:15] <administrador> I want Know and Where
[06:15] <_martin> under /media I do have a shortcut to cdrom and a folder for cdrom0 but both of these are empty, even with a CD loaded
[06:15] <dreamthief> _martin, why don't you try a dist-upgrade with the dapper-repos to upgrade breezy to dapper without a fresh dapper installation?
[06:15] <gan|y|med> since i updated kde (i suppose it is the update, as everthing had worked fine before), i cannot print from openoffice. all apps using the kde printing facility work. any ideas?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> hagus: Guess you haven't  gotten that kiss yet ;-)
[06:16] <draik> _martin, they may look empty, but go into them (cdrom0 primarily)
[06:16] <dr_willis> administrador,  when you see your grub Menu - you COUNT the # of entrys..  if  the boot windws entry is  #6 = then you want 'default  5'        if its  #4  then ya want default 3
[06:18] <administrador> dr_willis: can you are more clear in your opinion, please
[06:18] <hagus> Hey, DaSkreech, I was really in hotwater earlier :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: I think he doesn't know how to edit :)
[06:18] <draik> administrador, open a Run Console and type 'sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst' and read what you have for boot options
[06:18] <DaSkreech> hagus: What do you mean when you say have Linux see the windows ?
[06:18] <_martin> draik: they are very empty, I'm showing hidden files and have root access. There is nothing.
[06:18] <dr_willis> administrador,  sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and make the changes that page mentions.. I really cant get any more clear then that.
[06:18] <hagus> I reset the router without remembering how to get it going again :)
[06:19] <_martin> dreamthief: not a bad idea... do you think dist-upgrade might fix whatever is damaged?
[06:19] <administrador> ok, Now I Understand
[06:19] <draik> _martin, that was my issue. I couldn't see it on my desktop like I usually did, but upon going into /media it was there
[06:19] <administrador> Thanks!!!
[06:19] <dr_willis> hence the use of the term 'edit the file' :)
[06:20] <hagus> When I am using linux on my machine (I can boot in either linux or winxp at startup), I want my wife's machine (e.g.) to show up in whatever is the samba manager.
[06:20] <draik> dr_willis, still a bit unclear about what you are trying to say... can you elaborate?!?! Sorry
[06:20] <dreamthief> _martin, yes, i think so ...
[06:20] <dr_willis> draik,  huh? what do you mean? what does 'a' mean? :P
[06:21] <draik> dr_willis, what's with all the words??? AAAAAHHHHHHHHH :P
[06:21] <hagus> Basically I want a simple home network that allow the winxp-based computers to show up in the lan manager of linux and vice-versa :)
[06:21] <_martin> dreamthief, having said that.. I would like to backup before upgrading.. be it with CD or anything. So this just takes me back to problem number one.
[06:21] <dr_willis> 'lan manager' ?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> hagus: try typing smb:/ in the konqueror window
[06:22] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: his main problem is printing.
[06:22] <dr_willis> or some of the other samba browser tools. :P
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Ask his wife ;-)
[06:22] <hagus> DaSkreetch - you is a genius, man :)
[06:22] <dreamthief> do you have different partitions for /home, / etc? @ _martin
[06:22] <dreamthief> or is everything stored on one partition?
[06:23] <_martin> no, eveything is on one partition.
[06:24] <_martin> It's possible a dependency has been damaged... libc6 broke on me a while ago and adpet very kindly made things worse by uninstalling everything that depended on it...
[06:24] <_martin> I stopped it before too much damage was casused, but still a lot of things appear to have gone wrong.
[06:24] <hagus> I can see my daughter's machine and various directories.
[06:24] <_martin> USB devices also won't mount.
[06:24] <_martin> just checked.
[06:24] <hagus> My wife's machine, I can see but she does not let me see any of her directories :(
[06:25] <hagus> So, the lan thing works even more easily on linux than on windows.
[06:25] <DaSkreech> hagus: heeheeheee
[06:25] <dr_willis> if she dont have any shared ya wont see any. :P
[06:25] <dr_willis> theres also several alternative samba browser tools out.. and ways to acces  the samba shares.
[06:25] <draik> hagus, everything is easier than windows
[06:25] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: Windows computers can print through cups?
[06:26] <draik> yes
[06:26] <DaSkreech> draik: Installing WoW :)
[06:26] <draik> DaSkreech, I do that
[06:26] <hagus> draik - I only wish that that were true in my own experience lol
[06:26] <draik> hagus, give it some time and you'll catch on really quick
[06:26] <DaSkreech> draik: Sweet. Can you help hagus get affection :)
[06:27] <BluesKaj> kde doesn't see my cd/dvd drive in systems settings !
[06:28] <draik> DaSkreech, hagus has a wife, I have a girlfriend and I don't think his wife would appreciate it much
[06:28] <bob_> hello, anyone can help with Kopete charsets?
[06:28] <hagus> I am able to print to my HP1100 via linux but have not yet tried seeing whether I can send a document from a windows machine to my printer when I am running linux.  However, I am about to try soon.
[06:28] <aep> hi any ideas why my Horiz/Vert settings in xorg.conf are ignored with kubuntu's X server but work fine on any other distri ?
[06:28] <draik> hagus, if you need help with that let me know
[06:28] <DaSkreech> draik: There you go :) And if you follow hagus's trail I'm sure his wife would apprectite it very much :)
[06:29] <BluesKaj> anyone? kde doesn't see my cd/dvd drive in systems settings !
[06:29] <draik> DaSkreech geez....
[06:29] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:29] <dr_willis> for you cups users - ya may want to read at ---->  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2117/
[06:29] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: does it turn up in the BIOS?
[06:30] <hagus> ty DaSkreech and draik :)
[06:30] <BluesKaj> it's ok in windows
[06:30] <draik> you're welcome hagus
[06:30] <draik> hagus, I have networked a printer with windows <-> windows, windows <-> linux and linux <-> linux
[06:31] <draik> hagus, let me know when you're going to be working with the printer and I will help you set it up for sharing
[06:31] <DaSkreech> draik: Never linux <-> windows?
[06:31] <gan|y|med> since i updated kde (i suppose it is the update, as everthing had worked fine before), i cannot print from openoffice. all apps using the kde printing facility work. any ideas?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Do you have a /dev/cdrom ?
[06:31] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech,no
[06:31] <draik> DaSkreech, I did. Why not?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> draik: Just checking
[06:32] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Hmm that's Funky. What Cdrom?
[06:32] <gan|y|med> ok, simple
[06:32] <gan|y|med> i cannot print from openoffice. why?
[06:33] <BluesKaj> this is the message in System settings admin mode :An error occurred during your last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[06:33] <draik> DaSkreech, I used CUPS to do it and I managed to share the printer as I saw fit for whatever OS I'm running
[06:33] <draik> DaSkreech, I only keep winxp on this desktop for my gf. Other than that it would have been long gone
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Sweet :) I got cups running across a network for multiple computers and felt pretty good about myself :)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Course I never print
[06:33] <draik> same here
[06:34] <draik> I print
[06:34] <DaSkreech> draik: Why does she need it?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Which KDe?
[06:34] <draik> She feels intimidation from The Tux
[06:35] <BluesKaj> dunno DaSkreech
[06:35] <gan|y|med> so does anybody have problems with printing from openoffice?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> You don't know which KDE you upgraded to?
[06:35] <gan|y|med> like clickung on print and nothing happens...
[06:35] <DaSkreech> draik: give her a Tux doll to ease her over :)
[06:35] <draik> gan|y|med, I don't have any issues with printing
[06:35] <gan|y|med> 3.5.2 i think. the latest
[06:36] <hagus> draik, I am back - my experiment was not successful.
[06:36] <BluesKaj> I didn't purposely upgrade KDE , DaSkreech
[06:36] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Did you upgrade anything?
[06:36] <hagus> I guess that I need to set up the linux part of it first?
[06:36] <gan|y|med> kubuntu packages, dapper. printing over cups 1.2.2 (i think) over ipp. it used to work
[06:36] <BluesKaj> just apt
[06:36] <hagus> I have had a windows network already.
[06:36] <draik> DaSkreech, I think I will give her that Tux doll... something about 6'1 would do fine...
[06:36] <draik> *6'11"
[06:36] <draik> Hagus
[06:37] <hagus> It still works when I boot my cmputer from windows
[06:37] <draik> here is what you need to do
[06:37] <dr_willis> CUPS has been tweaked/crippled in dapper a little bit.   http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/418    mentions how to restore it back to a more normal/sane default cups setup.
[06:37] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: You used apt to upgrade or you upgraded apt?
[06:37] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, KDE vers is 3.5.3
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Ok
[06:37] <administrador> In this site   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS?highlight=%28grub%29  they order to edit menu.Ist
[06:37] <gan|y|med> dr_willis: i know this. but why the hell doesn't it work anymore? it has worked in dapper. i got it working yesterday for all kde apps
[06:38] <draik> DaSkreech, she's at work right now. She won't be home for another 9 hours. That's not a bad idea. I will just sit and wait by her door
[06:38] <BluesKaj> just the repos
[06:38] <hagus> hagus does have slow learning skills.
[06:38] <draik> what have you done so far hagus?
[06:38] <administrador> but my OS doesn't it leave
[06:38] <draik> hagus, actually let me know your configuration. Printer connects to what OS and what is the other OS you want to share it to
[06:39] <dr_willis> administrador,  Huh?
[06:39] <hagus> I have managed with DaSkreech's advice to look at the winxp puters using Samba
[06:39] <draik> dr_willis, wasn't that clear enought for you?!?!
[06:39] <dr_willis> draik,  Huh? :)
[06:39] <hagus> Ok - printer is connected to linux machine
[06:39] <administrador> I want edit: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:39] <draik> hagus, what is the other computer?
[06:39] <dr_willis> administrador,  sudo kedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:39] <hagus> other computers are xp
[06:39] <dr_willis> or
[06:39] <administrador> but my Kubuntu doesn't permit
[06:39] <dr_willis> administrador,  sudo kate  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:40] <dr_willis> from the terminal.
[06:40] <hagus> I have desktops and laptops
[06:40] <administrador> When I make Save
[06:40] <hagus> All run xp.
[06:40] <administrador> appears one message
[06:41] <hagus> I just added kubuntu on this one (which normally runs winxp).
[06:41] <administrador> says: "You don't have permition to save the file"
[06:41] <DaSkreech> administrador: What did you edit it with?
[06:41] <administrador> I want change
[06:41] <administrador> default 0 ...
[06:41] <administrador> to
[06:41] <administrador> default 5 ...
[06:41] <hagus> However, since I can only boot up linux or windows, what I am looking for is something that will enable me to network when I am running linux.
[06:42] <dr_willis> administrador,  note the EXACT COMMAND we were telling you to use.....    'sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst'          - enter THAT in a shell. to edit that file.   Note the use of SUDO
[06:43] <gan|y|med> ok, that doesn't bring much
[06:46] <BluesKaj> kde is down again
[06:46] <BluesKaj> kde.org
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Wireless network ?
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Good evening everyone!
[06:47] <gan|y|med> i am sorry for saying this again ( i am despaired), but could anybody think of a reason, why printing would work from kde apps but not from openoffice (other than ooo not being a "native")
[06:48] <gan|y|med> ?
[06:48] <dr_willis> gan|y|med,  perhaps theres a OOo setting to use the CUPS system?
[06:49] <gan|y|med> not much to change there. i have change from stcolor (gimpprint i think) to gutenprint... could this be a reason?
[06:49] <dr_willis> no idea. I tend to use abiword.
[06:49] <gan|y|med> not really an alternative for me, i think
[06:52] <aep>  any ideas why my Horiz/Vert settings in xorg.conf are ignored with ubuntu's X server but work fine on any other distri ?
[06:52] <aep> oh that whas the old quastion
[06:52] <aep>  why does Xorg ( only the org of ubuntu) ognore any vert/refresh  settings in xorg.conf  ( i didnt start any thnird party programm with Xorg, just the pure Xorg is configured with 75Hz and starts with 85)
[06:53] <dr_willis> how are you even testing/proveing that aep ?
[06:53] <aep> DISPLAY=":0"  xrandr
[06:54] <aep> gives back 1024x768@85
[06:54] <dr_willis> and you want it to be 75?
[06:55] <aep> yes
[06:55] <gan|y|med> btw, how do i get those nice small 2 line icons back on my task bar?
[06:55] <dr_willis> it could be its seeing you rmonitor cxan handle higher/more (X is getting the specs from the monitor) so its using those.
[06:55] <aep> dr_willis: i comnfigured corect refrashe rate
[06:56] <Smooph> !mp3
[06:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:56] <aep> becouse my monitor doesnt support 85
[06:56] <dr_willis> but X can get the info straight from the monitor.   I aint messed with it in ages.
[06:56] <dr_willis> Odd that its reading it wrong.
[06:56] <aep> works on non-ubuntu distris
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> My monitor is supposed to run at 60 (but can run at 75) the only way I can get it run correctly is with the right modeline
[06:56] <aep> did you patch Xorg with some extra stuff?
[06:56] <dr_willis> boot a live cd. and see what their xorgs look like.
[06:56] <aep> crapy
[06:57] <aep> with ubuntu live cd
[06:57] <dr_willis> I never patched anything.
[06:57] <aep> works fine with knoppix
[06:57] <aep> well you=developers
[06:57] <dr_willis> copy/compare its xorg over.
[06:57] <dr_willis> Im not a developer in any way shapw or form.
[06:57] <dr_willis> :)
[06:57] <aep> ye ok :)
[06:57] <dr_willis> Im a hobbiest.
[06:57] <aep> my xorg.conf is ok its the same i have with gentoo and this works, on the same version of Xorg
[06:57] <dr_willis> Ive 'borrowed' xorg configs from different live cd's and compared them.
[06:58] <dr_willis> you are using the ideitical xorg.conf file?
[06:58] <aep> yes
[06:58] <dr_willis> what video card is this?
[06:58] <aep> nvidia
[06:58] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: You mean getting the icons in two lines instead of one?
[06:59] <dr_willis> You got the nvidia drivers installed?
[06:59] <gan|y|med> yes
[06:59] <aep> dr_willis: yep
[06:59] <aep> dr_willis: glx is on, everything fine
[06:59] <BluesKaj> what's the cmd for installing tar.bz2 files ?
[06:59] <gan|y|med> it was changed with the last update
[06:59] <dr_willis> could be a bugglet with the nvidia drivers, or xorg.  but not sure how to prove it either way. But a live cd should NOT be setting its xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver.
[06:59] <opsidao> BluesKaj: bz2 files are not to be installed by any con crete program
[06:59] <opsidao> just compressed files
[07:00] <gan|y|med> yoi cannot "install" them
[07:00] <aep> dr_willis: nope dosnt work with vesa either
[07:00] <aliasfred> BluesKaj: tar xvjf yourfilename.tar.bz2
[07:00] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Configure the panel to use a custom size of 48 pixels
[07:00] <gan|y|med> but that will just give you the decompressed file
[07:00] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: thx, i'll try it
[07:00] <DaSkreech> sure
[07:01] <BluesKaj> thx guys
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> aep: Modeline "1024x768@75" 85.52 1024 1056 1376 1408 768 782 792 807 (put that in section "monitor" - and change all instances of 1024x768 in section "screen" to 1024x768@75
[07:01] <aep> i dont like it but i will try
[07:03] <aep> gonne read on modelines didnt need them till now
[07:03] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: what icons exactly. the ones for the desktop are already 48 pixels of size. and there is no custom option
[07:03] <Smooph> h3sp4wn: what exactly do you want ?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Where are you?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: the config for panel?
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> Smooph: huh ?
[07:04] <aliasfred> helper/helpee confusion is my guess :)
[07:04] <Smooph> h3sp4wn: I saw your post and did not see your question what do you want ?
[07:04] <Smooph> ohhh ok!
[07:04] <Smooph> sry about that
[07:05] <gan|y|med> it's called "look" here
[07:07] <filippo> interna
[07:08] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Umm.. ok Well look in the config for the panel and change the size to 48 pixels :)
[07:10] <gan|y|med> sorry, cannot find it
[07:10] <gan|y|med> you mean panel like panel with all the menus, right? (translated version)
[07:10] <Tokeiito> labas vakaras
[07:11] <XVampireX> XGL in Kubuntu = good idea?
[07:11] <XVampireX> I mean, does it work well?
[07:12] <haider> XVampireX: Yes
[07:12] <dr_willis> I would pass on it  XVampireX  :P
[07:12] <haider> it works fine
[07:12] <aliasfred> i have to set it up to try, but i get over the fear to break it :)
[07:12] <dr_willis> i see way too many people saying it dont work fine. Lol! :P
[07:13] <dr_willis> So i guess 'it depends'
[07:14] <haider> XVampireX: http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/06/02/how-to-compizxgl-on-kubuntu-dapper-nvidia/ <--- this works fine
[07:14] <XVampireX> haider: thanks :)
[07:14] <dr_willis> pay atteition to what you enable.. so you can undo it later.
[07:14] <haider> XVampireX: Np! ;)
[07:14] <dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: What video card are you using ?
[07:15] <haider> XVampireX: Btw, you have nvidia or ati?
[07:15] <XVampireX> nvidia
[07:15] <haider> then it should work fine
[07:15] <XVampireX> I'm lucky cause ATI drivers suck
[07:15] <haider> it did here
[07:16] <ErikTheRed> the ATI drivers aren't as bad as some would lead you to believe
[07:16] <gan|y|med> maybe you should try the latest ones
[07:16] <ErikTheRed> they've gotten tons better recently
[07:16] <opsidao> when they allow GXL+Composite maybe I'll give a try to ATI
[07:17] <aliasfred> ErikTheRed: in relation with them being bought by amd, or completly unrelated ?
[07:17] <XVampireX> ErikTheRed: I heard they really got better, but they still suck... Last time I talked to someone with ATI drivers couldn't even play half decently in Sauerbraten
[07:17] <ErikTheRed> oh i'll agree nvidia drivers still win hands down
[07:18] <ErikTheRed> i only own nvidia cards
[07:18] <ErikTheRed> but from what my friend has told me they have gotten better in some areas
[07:18] <dr_willis> I hope the possible AMD+ATI merger will smack ATI in the head so they get better linux support.
[07:18] <ErikTheRed> yeah but we won't see any tangible results from that merger for a least another year or two
[07:19] <aliasfred> dr_willis: amd is quite linux friendly, no ?
[07:19] <MasterBrack> hi all... i'm having some problems with my audio.  i can hear input from my mic, but i'm not getting any mp3 playback
[07:19] <XVampireX> Yeah, they should be
[07:19] <dr_willis> aliasfred,  compared to how INTEL treats everyone.. (including Linux)  Yes. :P
[07:19] <XVampireX> !mp3 > MasterBrack
[07:19] <dr_willis> They all could be more Linux-friendly!
[07:19] <mighty-d> hi, i have a little problem running tvtime, i can get it to work if i go sudo tvtime , i want to be able to run tvtime without sudo, how can i change tvtime to a video group so i can run it being a regular user?, i changed tvtime to video group and i'm on that group too, but even if tvtime starts i get no video
[07:19] <aliasfred> dr_willis: :)
[07:20] <dr_willis> mighty-d,  could be a permission on a /dev/entry thats causing theproblem
[07:20] <gan|y|med> ok, thx a lot. ciao
[07:20] <ErikTheRed> MasterBrack: what are you using to play your MP3s?
[07:20] <MasterBrack> amarok
[07:20] <ErikTheRed> did you install the necessary codecs to play MP3s?
[07:20] <MasterBrack> i tried xmms as well
[07:21] <mighty-d> yes i think so, so i just have to change /dev/video0 to video group?
[07:21] <MasterBrack> yeah i just installed a codec pack
[07:21] <XVampireX> MasterBrack: did ubotu send a PM?
[07:21] <MasterBrack> yeah
[07:21] <XVampireX> So follow it
[07:21] <aliasfred> MasterBrack: what about free format like .ogg, do you hear them ok ?
[07:21] <mighty-d> dr_willis yes i think so, so i just have to change /dev/video0 to video group?
[07:21] <uniq> mighty-d: is it not in the video group by default?
[07:22] <mighty-d> dr_willis wait i'll check it out
[07:22] <aliasfred> MasterBrack: in fact my question, is do you hear any sound from your computer, except the echo from your mic
[07:22] <MasterBrack> no
[07:22] <MasterBrack> just the input from mic
[07:22] <dr_willis> mighty-d,  or ya could 'suid' the binary
[07:22] <ErikTheRed> no KDE sounds or anything?
[07:22] <MasterBrack> so obviously the sound works, i just have a feeling i have something configured wrong
[07:22] <MasterBrack> no kde sounds
[07:22] <MasterBrack> the only sounds i get are from pc speaker
[07:22] <mighty-d> dr_willis yes it is
[07:23] <MasterBrack> rather, the only sounds i get from kde come out of the pc speaker
[07:23] <mighty-d> crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2006-08-07 06:34 video0
[07:23] <ErikTheRed> and you can hear things from the mic fine?
[07:23] <MasterBrack> yep
[07:23] <MasterBrack> perfectly
[07:23] <dr_willis> mighty-d,  if the binary is suid it should be able to run as root.. but that could be a security issue.
[07:23] <ErikTheRed> strange
[07:23] <MasterBrack> i installed the libxine-extracodecs, and that didn't fix anything
[07:23] <MasterBrack> yeah its wierd
[07:23] <aliasfred> ther echoed microphone is likely only the sound card loop back, aka not even going thru the OS
[07:23] <ErikTheRed> well if you're not even getting kde sounds it's probably not a codec issue
[07:23] <MasterBrack> yeah i figured as much
[07:23] <mighty-d> dr_willis: what should i do?
[07:23] <haider> maybe alsa problem?
[07:24] <aliasfred> MasterBrack: your issue is the sound config, before the mp3 specific stuf
[07:24] <MasterBrack> yeah
[07:24] <ErikTheRed> any idea what sound card you are running?
[07:24] <dr_willis> mighty-d,  try  sudo chmod +s /path/to/thatbinary     then see if ya can run it as a user.
[07:24] <MasterBrack> i have the soundblaster live 5.1 surround
[07:24] <MasterBrack> sb0220 for specifics
[07:24] <mighty-d> dr_willis: ok, im gonna do it, but this is the file before that -rwxr-xr-x 1 root video 438804 2006-04-30 09:42 tvtime
[07:24] <ErikTheRed> hmm i would think that would work out of the box
[07:25] <ErikTheRed> i know my audigy 2 zs did fine with no tweaks
[07:25] <MasterBrack> yeah i read that it works for most
[07:25] <ErikTheRed> pop open the mixers and check to see what you have in there
[07:25] <ErikTheRed> *mixer
[07:25] <mighty-d> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/mighty-d/.tvtime/tvtime.xml"
[07:25] <mighty-d> oops i haven't seen this
[07:25] <MasterBrack> well, most things are turned up, because i figured i'd try to get any sound i could
[07:26] <MasterBrack> i wonder if its because i have another card built into my motherboard?
[07:26] <ErikTheRed> you should probably disable the onboard sound in the bios if you haven't already
[07:26] <MasterBrack> or maybe it has to do with the 'master channel' i don't know
[07:26] <MasterBrack> i haven't done that, least i don't think so
[07:27] <ErikTheRed> sometimes having two soundcards activated can cause problems
[07:27] <MasterBrack> ok well i'll give that a shot real quick
[07:27] <ErikTheRed> alright
[07:27] <MasterBrack> thanks so far... brb
[07:30] <aep> another question: glxgears is extremly slow
[07:31] <trappist> aep: glxinfo | grep rendering
[07:31] <trappist> aep: you can't really tell by looking at it.  you could be getting a million fps and you can't tell because your screen only refreshes, say, 60x per second
[07:32] <mighty-d> dr_willis: THANKS A LOT!!!
[07:32] <aep> dri is enabled and all glxinfo look good
[07:32] <MasterBrack> back
[07:32] <ErikTheRed> any luck?
[07:32] <aep> well i'm gonne test it as soon as i have a gfx game installed
[07:32] <MasterBrack> disabled the onboard; apparently last time i just disabled the front panel for audio
[07:32] <MasterBrack> gonna test in a second
[07:32] <MasterBrack> yesssss
[07:33] <MasterBrack> thank you very much erik
[07:33] <ErikTheRed> glad that worked
[07:33] <MasterBrack> sweet
[07:33] <MasterBrack> now i can hear armin van buuren on surround
[07:33] <MasterBrack> thanks a ton
[07:33] <ErikTheRed> nice, i like Armin too
[07:33] <ErikTheRed> anything to get away from the monotony of work
[07:33] <aep> well ist so slow i didnt get a result within 15 minutes of run
[07:33] <MasterBrack> haha
[07:34] <MasterBrack> well now that that works
[07:34] <MasterBrack> i can go about my day
[07:34] <MasterBrack> can't do anything without music
[07:34] <MasterBrack> thanks again, peace
[07:34] <ErikTheRed> later
[07:37] <opsidao> some kubuntu core member here? I have a xdg related issue...
[07:39] <QMario_> Will XSane make it possible to convert its scans to PDF?
[07:39] <haider> MasterBrack: armin van buuren?
[07:40] <Tokeiito> what soft i can use for PC management using mic and voice
[07:40] <haider> MasterBrack: I meet the guy some years ago in Denmark! :D
[07:40] <dr_willis> QMario_,  ya get a huge pdf thats just a lot of large pictures. :P Joy!
[07:41] <_martin> ok.. I can manually mount CDs but k3b appears to be on the brink. Kubuntu can see and use CDs, K3b can't
[07:41] <_martin> I've tried re-installing.
[07:41] <opsidao> _ma
[07:41] <opsidao> ups
[07:41] <opsidao> _martin: have you tried running it with sudo
[07:42] <_martin> That is how I'm running it, yes
[07:42] <_martin> I get k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[07:42] <opsidao> no idead then :(
[07:42] <_martin> K3b still loads, but says there is no writeable media
[07:44] <MrBallZ> hi, I have aproblem mounting an external USB drive on my server , thru NFS on my laptop, it tells me " Permision denied " and I have mounted another nfs share on the same server but that's a normal hdd inside the server, what can this be ?
[07:46] <justaguy> howdie, 1st time here .......
[07:50] <Agios> we've been waiting for you :)
[07:51] <_martin> ... ok... for the past 15.. nay all day I've been loading apps through a terminal with sudo why now do I get ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.???
[07:57] <uniq> _martin: what does  'echo $DISPLAY' output?
[07:58] <pehses> _martin you can use 'kdesu' instead, that will work
[07:59] <MrBallZ> _martin: maybe your in sudo mode,  type this in console   sudo -K  , and they try again ...
[08:00] <pyret> when i start gxine movie player it says that libX11.so is missing...can anyone help me please?
[08:00] <_martin> uniq, nothing...
[08:00] <_martin> pehses, kdesu cannot connect to X server
[08:01] <_martin> and MrBallZ, that didn't work...
[08:01] <pehses> strange...
[08:01] <pansy> hi folks
[08:01] <_martin> aah.. no. Sorry.. don't worry. I was running it from terminal as root. Not the logged on user.
[08:02] <pyret> hello
[08:02] <pansy> how long will it take until kile 1.9 comes into the kubuntu repository?
[08:02] <uniq> _martin: try 'export DISPLAY=:0', then try again.
[08:02] <_martin> uniq, ta. I've sorted it =)
[08:03] <_martin> I'm getting irritated and not thinking. That was the problem.
[08:03] <uniq> _martin: if you did that with export, it will only last for that teminal session. however new terminal sessions may have  DISPLAY set correctly.
[08:04] <olly> hi
[08:09] <Tokeiito> what software i can use for kubuntu control via voice?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> !info kile edgy
[08:09] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> pansy: end of october (looks like it is in edgy)
[08:10] <farous> pansy: if you have the backport repos you might check it if it was backported
[08:13] <Tokeiito> xm. ok. then: is it posible to control my Kubuntu with voice?
[08:14] <fritsch> Tokeiito: try kttsd
[08:14] <fritsch> !kttsd
[08:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about kttsd - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:14] <opsidao> fritsch: that's a text to speech daemon, isn't it?
[08:15] <opsidao> not exatcly what he asked for I think
[08:15] <aliasfred> KDE Accessibility Project - KTTS - KDE Text-to-Speech System <- this is text to speech
[08:15] <fritsch> opsidao: text to speach system for kde
[08:15] <opsidao> so, it's not to control the computer with voice
[08:15] <aliasfred> he asked more some somthing like speech to text :)
[08:15] <fritsch> aliasfred: perhaps it works? i do not know of a other
[08:16] <fritsch> aliasfred: there are also some additional plugins
[08:16] <Cornellius> Is there an easy way to upgrade the kernel to a newer version ?
[08:16] <aliasfred> fritsch: maybe it works, in fact it likely works, simply it is not at all the same thing :)
[08:16] <satempler> ok the repos are really slow
[08:16] <aliasfred> one  can read text loudely, while the other is able to write text as i say it :)
[08:17] <aliasfred> interesting just yesterday another guy was asking for the same feature
[08:17] <satempler> they are timing out on me and reporting that i am downloading at 12KB/s
[08:17] <satempler> what gives
[08:17] <satempler> why have they been so slow for so long
[08:18] <Hawkwind> Change mirrors.  They aren't slow here at all
[08:18] <aliasfred> btw my dns doesnt answer to any kde.org, am i the only one ? i know other doesnt have this issue
[08:19] <satempler> there are no mirrors for security.ubuntu.com
[08:21] <outquake> hi every one!
[08:21] <Tokeiito> ok thank you
[08:21] <Tokeiito> i've found very good article about this
[08:22] <aliasfred> Tokeiito: really ? url ?
[08:22] <Tokeiito> http://applications.linux.com/applications/05/01/18/2148234.shtml
[08:22] <aliasfred> thansk
[08:25] <aliasfred> http://perlbox.org/ <- Perlbox Voice is an voice enabled application to bring your desktop under your command.
[08:27] <outquake> weirdo
[08:27] <outquake> how a re you?
[08:27] <satempler> ok who is incharge of the security.ubuntu.com servers
[08:28] <magical_trevsky> Hi, I'm in the middle of an install and a little bit confused with the partitioning
[08:29] <aep> gfx is hell slow any idea?
[08:29] <aep> dri is set up
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> magical_trevsky, is the system partitioned right now
[08:29] <aep> glxinfo is alright
[08:29] <aep> its a [GeForce FX 5200] 
[08:29] <TheGateKeeper> magical_trevsky: manually partitioning?
[08:29] <magical_trevsky> I have a windows installation which I would like to keep, so have selected resize hda1 and use freed space, but is the slider adjusting the size of the windows partition, or for adjusting the size of the linux one to be made?
[08:30] <magical_trevsky> (also, is this what I should be doing to preserve my windows installation (it uses ntfs)?)
[08:30] <aep> any ideas why its so slow even if dri and everything is fine
[08:30] <aep> ?
[08:31] <satempler> ok this is pissing me off i am trying to report a problem and I am not getting a response
[08:31] <magical_trevsky> Admiral_Chicago: there is just one big ntfs partition at the moment, which I would like to keep, but make smaller
[08:31] <ErikTheRed> magical_trevsky: you're going to have to resize the partition
[08:32] <ErikTheRed> i think the installer can do it (the alternate installer, not the desktop one)
[08:32] <Admiral_Chicago> if you move the slider, it will do both, resize the windows partition and make a free space
[08:32] <ErikTheRed> but i've had problems with it not working in the past
[08:32] <Surger> Can someone help me with Dapper's xorg and nvidia drivers? I cannot get xorg to load the glx module.
[08:32] <narvik86> no ntfs write support IMO
[08:32] <magical_trevsky> right, so the slider is the size of the windows partition, not the size of the linux one to be made?
[08:33] <narvik86> possible do resize ntfs partitions?
[08:33] <ErikTheRed> ntfs-3g offers great ntfs write support
[08:33] <ErikTheRed> Surger: are you trying to install the latest driver manually?
[08:33] <Surger> ErikTheRed: 8762 manually - but let me rather go ask in the xorg channel
[08:34] <ErikTheRed> i couldn't get that damn driver to install properly either
[08:34] <ErikTheRed> so  let me know if you find anything out, as i had the exact same error
[08:34] <hagus> I am delighted with draik's painstakingly talking me through my networking difficulties.  He has been able to point me in the right direction and gave me hours of his own time to help me.  Thanks to draik.
[08:35] <Surger> ErikTheRed: Ok - I have to run a custom kernel so I have no other options. :(
[08:35] <draik> you're welcome hagus
[08:35] <satempler> ok this is pissing me off i am trying to report a problem and I am not getting a response
[08:35] <ErikTheRed> ah i see
[08:35] <hagus> I shall report on further progress later, once I have been able to dislodge some of the other users from their machines :)
[08:35] <ErikTheRed> yeah i was trying to run 2.6.17 and that's when i ran into the driver not working
[08:38] <Johncro13> okay, so I run ' wpa_supplicant -h' and I get an error about libc6 not being configured.  Anybody know about this?
[08:39] <aep> 3d performance is hell week with gf fx 5200.   glxinfo shows everything is fine
[08:40] <aep> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CSIRBF13.html
[08:40] <aep> glxinfo
[08:43] <magical_trevsky> apparently partition number 2 is gonna be ext3, and 5 is gonna be swap, so what are 3 and 4? I'm guessing 1 is where windows'll stay, right?
[08:44] <Nomad411> I'm considering buying a laptop, probably a macbook.  Anyone here running Kubuntu on a macbook?
[08:44] <madsP> Good day / evening. im on win os now . i have a little problem with the kopete msn / irc client. everytime i start it iget a complete system freeze. it worked fine yesterday. the only thing i can do to reboot is hold down the power button. i have tried to remove and add the program again , only to experience the same result.
[08:44] <uniq> Nomad411: i don't, but i run kubuntu on a ibook, and i'm very pleased :)
[08:45] <gplfighter> madsP: Version?
[08:45] <Nomad411> madsP: I had that kind of thing happen to me before too.  I usually ended up using Gaim.  Kopete may need more maturity
[08:45] <Nomad411> uniq: thanks :)
[08:45] <_martin> has anyone had any experience with the ACX111 Texus intrusment wireless network chip and getting it to work. with either ndiswrapper or the drivers at http://acx100.sourceforge.net
[08:45] <opsidao> madsP: you may try to remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete to "forget" all configs...
[08:46] <uniq> _martin: yes, i used the acx100 driver a year ago or something. worked nicely.
[08:46] <madsP> sorry , i cant tell the version. i switched over to os win now. but strange is that it usually works fine. opsidao , i will write down what you wrote there
[08:46] <Nomad411> uniq: I do web development and I need a more mobile and stable machine for working.  I wonder if I'll enjoy OS X as much as I always did linux, or even more
[08:47] <gplfighter> madsP: is it n apt-get kopete?
[08:47] <uniq> Nomad411: i can't stand osx.
[08:47] <Nomad411> lol
[08:47] <gplfighter> from the kubuntu repo's?
[08:47] <Nomad411> I wonder if I should invest so much..
[08:47] <_martin> uniq, you used the driver then rather than ndiswrapper?
[08:47] <madsP> ok yes thats where i did it
[08:47] <trip> Anyone else have issues with gaims fonts/configuration after upgrade kubuntu?
[08:47] <trip> I noticed there were numerous gtk upgrades so I thought that may have caused it
[08:47] <uniq> _martin: i used the driver, yes. never used ndiswrapper.
[08:47] <madsP> or no the add reomove i think in the upper left menu in the buttom
[08:47] <_martin> uniq, and that was under kubuntu as well?
[08:48] <uniq> _martin: that was debian, but it's much about the same.
[08:48] <_martin> Ok. ta.
[08:48] <uniq> Nomad411: I love apple hardware, can't say the same about osx, though.
[08:49] <Nomad411> uniq: Ahh ok, as I thought too :)
[08:50] <Nomad411> uniq: So you think teh extra $ are worth it.
[08:50] <gplfighter> madsP: srry. problems with.... kopete here
[08:50] <gplfighter> wait a second please
[08:51] <uniq> Nomad411: depends what the alternative is. I love my ibook 12", tiny and shiny. White, not the same black plastic design as everyone else. Only thing i miss is a rs232 port.
[08:51] <Surger> ErikTheRed: I may have the solution - got to test it out first. brb
[08:53] <ErikTheRed> Nomad411: what laptops are you wondering about?
[08:54] <Nomad411> No particular model, it's more a "Do I pay more for a macbook and have all 3 OSes available, OR get more HD for my $ by going Compaq or Toshiba?"
[08:55] <Nomad411> nice to have the 3 OSes so that i can test websites on all 3
[08:55] <uniq> i like compaq too. :)
[08:55] <ErikTheRed> well the only real downside to the macbook is the price preium
[08:55] <ErikTheRed> *premium
[08:55] <ErikTheRed> and the exploding batteries :-P
[08:56] <Nomad411> ???   :)
[08:56] <Lars_F>  How do I force a redetection of network cards, or add it manually?
[08:56] <uniq> dies macbook have that problem too?
[08:56] <uniq> i remember i just missed that on my ibook.
[08:56] <ErikTheRed> yeah i've seen quite a few stories of macbooks having batteries that catch on fire as well
[08:56] <ErikTheRed> along with the Dells of course
[08:56] <Nomad411> So teh macbook is more of a "winter" computer?  :)
[08:56] <Nomad411> I wouldn't go Dell
[08:56] <ErikTheRed> lol
[08:57] <ErikTheRed> why not?
[08:57] <ErikTheRed> most people i know with them like them a lot
[08:57] <Nomad411> really?  I must know different people.. :)  Actually, it's more from reading comments
[08:57] <ErikTheRed> i have an Asus myself, which the power brick just died on
[08:57] <Nomad411> maybe there's more of them out there so there's more comments
[08:57] <Surger> ErikTheRed: I have it working. :)
[08:58] <ErikTheRed> sweet
[08:58] <ErikTheRed> what'd you have to do differently?
[08:58] <Surger> It's a path problem
[08:58] <ErikTheRed> ah
[08:58] <MrBallZ> hi, I have aproblem mounting an external USB drive on my server , thru NFS on my laptop, it tells me " Permision denied " and I have mounted another nfs share on the same server but that's a normal hdd inside the server, what can this be ?
[09:00] <Surger> ErikTheRed: Do this : sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run
[09:00] <Surger> ErikTheRed: cd /usr/X11R6/lib; mv modules modules.old; ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules modules
[09:00] <madsP> but any ideas on why it (my kopete) suddenly dont work anymore ? i didnt change anything before i exitted it the last time
[09:01] <Nomad411> madsP: Did you try starting it from the command line to see if there are any messages?
[09:01] <Surger> ErikTheRed: cd /usr/X11R6; mv bin bin.old; ln -s ../bin .
[09:02] <uniq> MrBallZ: i would think that is a permission problem, can users other than root read the partiton contents locally on the laptop?
[09:02] <uniq> MrBallZ: sorry, i mean locally on the server.
[09:02] <madsP> no , im new to using linux , and just used the double click method. what must i type to start it from the terminal ?
[09:02] <uniq> MrBallZ: is the filesystem ntfs?
[09:02] <Surger> ErikTheRed: Then run the nvidia installer again, enable the nvidia stuff in the xorg.conf file and you're done. :)
[09:03] <ErikTheRed> thanks
[09:03] <ErikTheRed> i'm at work right now, but i'll give that a try when i get home
[09:05] <ErikTheRed> title      Windows XP
[09:05] <ErikTheRed> root     (hd0,0)
[09:05] <ErikTheRed> chainloader      +1
[09:05] <ErikTheRed> the root line is assuming that windows is on the first partition on your first hard drive
[09:05] <uniq> i think that was in the wrong channel erikthered. :)
[09:06] <ErikTheRed> oh dear it was
[09:07] <MrBallZ> uniq: yes, locally in the server the user can mount it, and its FAT32
[09:07] <ubuntu> i just installed linux now.. too hard!!! compare to windows!
[09:08] <nnn0> :)
[09:08] <nnn0> for some i guess
[09:09] <ErikTheRed> it's easier and quicker than windows in my opinion
[09:09] <Johncro13> using Kubuntu Dapper flight7.  Issue: trying to get wifi using WPA_supplicant.  When I type ' wpa_supplicant -h', I get an error about libc6 not being configured.  Anyone know about this?
[09:09] <aliasfred> yep it is easier but people are used to window
[09:10] <aliasfred> url ?
[09:11] <nnn0> well it's easier to be an asshole than to be nice, but that's not an excuse to be an asshole ! ;)
[09:11] <_martin> whats the files that holds the network info... the one that holds the properties of the various interfaces you have?
[09:11] <farous> _martin: /etc/network/interfaces
[09:12] <_martin> farous, that be the one. Thanks.
[09:12] <farous> ur welcomed:)
[09:12] <Johncro13> ?
[09:13] <plhardy__> raphink:are you online ?
[09:13] <farous> Johncro13: why aren't you using the final release
[09:13] <raphink> I think I am
[09:14] <raphink> am I not?
[09:14] <raphink> ;)
[09:14] <Bin_Bash> can I install the last version of klamav?
[09:14] <Bin_Bash> Please help me, i'm new user of ubuntu.
[09:14] <plhardy__> raphink: -> linuxazur ?
[09:14] <raphink> you can install klamav
[09:15] <farous> Johncro13: did you have the latest updates?
[09:15] <raphink> as for installing the last version, well I don't think klamav stopped being developped
[09:16] <Anders287> when klamav stops developing, then you can :)
[09:16] <Bin_Bash> i'm trying but need dazuko module. I'm think my kernel not support!!! My kernel is 2.6.15-27
[09:17] <Ireclan_> What is the timeout on nicknames?
[09:17] <uniq> MrBallZ: make sure the UID on the laptop is the same as the UID on the server. or you have a group with same GIDs with read access.
[09:18] <Ireclan_> Does anyone know how long a ping timeout takes on this server?
[09:18] <uniq> MrBallZ: you can have a look at http://www.freeos.com/articles/3421/ for a simple guide.
[09:19] <Bin_Bash> how to make download the last version of kernel-sources using the apt-get?
[09:20] <TheGateKeeper> Bin_Bash: there are howto's on building kernels on the ubuntu forums
[09:20] <Ireclan_> Anyone?
[09:20] <farous> Bin_Bash: ubuntu freezes. ie no updates for the kernel from the official repos except for security reasons
[09:20] <Bin_Bash> TheGateKeeper: Ok, thank's.
[09:21] <Bin_Bash> I go try in the kernel.org
[09:21] <trappist> Bin_Bash: you don't need a new kernel for dazuko
[09:22] <trappist> Bin_Bash: you just build it against the source of the running kernel.  should work fine.
[09:22] <TheGateKeeper> Bin_Bash: mixture of info in the forums and kernel.org will probable get you to where you want to be :-)
[09:22] <farous> Bin_Bash: have a look at that too http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html
[09:23] <Bin_Bash> thank's, i'm see now!!!
[09:23] <Ireclan_> Anyone?
[09:24] <Ireclan_> Ping timeout length?
[09:24] <trappist> Bin_Bash: I just built dazuko successfully
[09:24] <_martin> Following http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX I come to make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` and I get *** No Targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
[09:24] <_martin> I'm just following instructions =/
[09:25] <Bin_Bash> trappist: ok!
[09:28] <Chicory> Hey, everybody.
[09:28] <Ireclan> FINALLY!
[09:29] <Ireclan> OK......
[09:29] <Ireclan> I have a problem installing my printer.
[09:29] <Chicory> Hey, there's something really weird with some of my systems dialog windows -- all of the characters are replaced with blank boxes.
[09:29] <Chicory> It seems like there's something screwy with the font, but this has only happened after I updated yesterday.
[09:30] <Ireclan> Anyway, while trying to install my printer, I get the following error message:
[09:30] <damian_> !x
[09:30] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:31] <Chicory> Thanks, Damian.
[09:31] <GBK> i'm having problems with my usb memory stick not detected anymore when I plug it in
[09:31] <Ireclan> In the title bar, it says "Error- KDE Control Module"
[09:31] <Ireclan> Then:
[09:33] <vigilant_> nickserve hates me
[09:33] <vigilant_> :)
[09:33] <vigilant_> hello peeps
[09:33] <Hawkwind> Learn how to use it and it won't
[09:33] <vigilant_> i love kubuntu!
[09:33] <vigilant_> i dont want to "own" my nickname
[09:34] <vigilant_> i want it to be free like efnet
[09:34] <Hawkwind> Then anyone can take it
[09:34] <vigilant_> so it should be
[09:34] <Ireclan> Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[09:34] <Hawkwind> vigilant_: So drop the nick
[09:34] <vigilant_> why should i be able to own a word
[09:34] <vigilant_> noway
[09:34] <vigilant_> if i wanna be vigilant i should be able to
[09:35] <Hawkwind> vigilant_: I mean, drop the registration with nickserv
[09:35] <Ireclan> Shall I proceed with more information, or is that enough to diagnose the problem?
[09:35] <vigilant_> oh yeah
[09:35] <vigilant_> yeah im dropping it :)
[09:36] <Ireclan> Anyone?
[09:36] <yo_> hello !! where are the french people ??
[09:36] <Hawkwind> yo_: #Kubuntu-FR
[09:36] <yo_> yes it's logique ;-)
[09:36] <Ireclan> Anyone at all?
[09:36] <yo_> thanks , i am ney
[09:37] <yo_> new
[09:37] <Hawkwind> Ireclan: Patience.  If/When someone knows they will certainly help you
[09:40] <vigilant> i love kubuntu!
[09:40] <Ireclan> I would too, if I could print...
[09:42] <vigilant> you will be able to, cause there are lovable people developing it too!
[09:42] <vigilant> thank you developers:)
[09:42] <draik> Hey Hawkwind
[09:42] <MrBallZ> Question: I can't seem to share an external HDD over NFS, when an Internal HDD can be shared, any pointers to this solution?  External HDD is Fat32 and usb on a server in the same network as client that wants it mounted
[09:43] <vigilant> does anyone know how to get my gmail account work in my konqueror browser?
[09:44] <Hawkwind> draik: Good afternoon
[09:44] <vigilant> Question: does anyone know how to get my gmail account work in my konqueror browser? even
[09:44] <MrBallZ> vigilant: I think Konkeror isn't suported
[09:44] <Hawkwind> vigilant: What doesn't work about it ?
[09:44] <MrBallZ> only  IE and FF
[09:44] <vigilant> it isnt supported
[09:45] <Hawkwind> MrBallZ: Not true.  It works here
[09:45] <vigilant> aha
[09:45] <draik> Hawkwind, just thought I'd stop by and say "HI"
[09:46] <vigilant> i tried to use the dont check my browser link they provided, but then it started saying thatsome script was making my kubuntu slow and asked if i wanted to cancel the script 8 times or continue, i tried both, just shows the page but nothing clickable
[09:46] <trappist> Hawkwind: there is a difference between supported and 'works for me'
[09:46] <vigilant> I got the ordinary html page, but its impossible to go to settings from there
[09:46] <vigilant> since its html
[09:46] <vigilant> and not the scary scripts
[09:46] <Hawkwind> trappist: AFAIK gmail is supported in konqueror. If it wasn't it wouldn't work
[09:47] <vigilant> it says on their page that it isnt supported
[09:47] <vigilant> well, the page i got to anyway
[09:47] <vigilant> maybe there is some java package i need?
[09:47] <uniq> MrBallZ: mount the fat partition with the desired umask, to let others access it. Gentoo has a good explanation: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_(DOS,_FAT,NTFS)#umask:_octal_file_permissions
[09:47] <vigilant> or some other script stuff
[09:47] <trappist> Hawkwind: 'supported' means they decided to make sure it works in the browser.  ff and ie are supported because there's browser-specific code, lots of tests, etc.  they haven't put any effort into konqueror, so some things will probably work and some won't
[09:48] <vigilant> should i give up and try to find a firefox for linux instead of konqueror?
[09:48] <Cornellius> I've downloaded a window decoration for KDE from KDE-LOOK, but I don't know where to unzip it. Anyone can help ?
[09:49] <spiffytech> Hey
[09:49] <vigilant> heya spiffy
[09:50] <narvik86> Cornellius: it should wrote in readme
[09:50] <spiffytech> My sound in Kubuntu has been delayed by ~.25 seconds always, and I've been trying to fix it, but now it's completely broken
[09:50] <vigilant> ooh narvik, i just moved from narvik XD
[09:50] <narvik86> :)
[09:50] <narvik86> but i'am 86 :)
[09:50] <spiffytech> I would try something like "alsaconf", but that doesn't seem to work in Kubuntu
[09:51] <vigilant> 86 years old??
[09:51] <knownstranger> .
[09:51] <vigilant> cool
[09:51] <vigilant> :)
[09:51] <narvik86> 1986 :)
[09:51] <fritsch> aliasfred:
[09:51] <vigilant> aha
[09:51] <fritsch> sorry
[09:51] <vigilant> and in poland hehe
[09:51] <vigilant> narvik is in norway u know?
[09:51] <narvik86> how do you know?
[09:51] <vigilant> im born in 80 myself
[09:52] <vigilant> cause i just moved from narvik this year.. and it was in norway then
[09:52] <narvik86> but how do you know that i'am from PL?
[09:52] <vigilant> /whois
[09:53] <vigilant> /whois narvik86
[09:53] <vigilant> well
[09:53] <narvik86> vigilant: Tobias B... :)
[09:53] <vigilant> ooh
[09:53] <vigilant> im noob :P
[09:53] <vigilant> my first kubuntu day so didnt look at stuff
[09:53] <narvik86> like me :)
[09:54] <apeman2020> ubotu: where is apeman2020
[09:54] <david_____> Hello all!
[09:55] <overdrive> hi
[09:55] <david_____> I need HELP!
[09:55] <narvik86> hi
[09:55] <david_____> Im new to kubuntu
[09:55] <david_____> and adept is only showing the installed packages,
[09:55] <david_____> it doesnt show others
[09:56] <david_____> I fetch updates but it stays the same
[09:56] <david_____> any ideas_
[09:56] <david_____> ?
[09:56] <narvik86> search by name
[09:56] <overdrive> I think u need to activate repositories
[09:56] <narvik86> searching works?
[09:57] <david_____> searching works, but it only shows installed packages\
[09:57] <vigilant> narvik: I cant answer pm cus im not a registered user or something :(
[09:57] <Hawkwind> vigilant: Identify to nickserv and you can accept pm's as your nick *is* registered
[09:57] <trappist> !register > vigilant
[09:58] <narvik86> vigilant: but it is similiar :)
[09:58] <trappist> nm
[09:58] <overdrive> if u installed kubuntu without internet connection (or wireless), repositories are deactivated
[09:58] <vigilant> !register
[09:58] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:58] <vigilant> !register vigilant
[09:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about register vigilant - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:58] <vigilant> hmm
[09:58] <vigilant> aha!
[09:58] <vigilant> rtfm!
[09:58] <GBK> how can I get kubuntu dapper back the way it was? I removed or added some things, now a lot of apps won't work as it used to
[09:59] <david_____> overdrive: that's it! how can i get them  activated?
[09:59] <narvik86> david_____: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:00] <Ireclan> I'm having printer problems.
[10:00] <overdrive> david_____ :on top, can u see menu "Expert"?
 Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[10:01] <david_____> overdrive: nope
[10:02] <trappist> GBK: try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[10:02] <vigilant_> im regggistered, may the fbi not get my email
[10:04] <overdrive> david______:close adept
[10:04] <david_____> overdrive: Im looking at the manage repositories list but i have no idea which one to choose
[10:04] <hagus> draik
[10:04] <draik> hagus
[10:04] <david_____> overdrive: done
[10:04] <overdrive> go MenuK > System > adept
[10:04] <hagus> It WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:04] <david_____> done
[10:04] <draik> congrats hagus
[10:04] <draik> I'm glas
[10:04] <draik> *glad
[10:04] <GBK> trappist: will do. will it restore the buggered things?
[10:06] <hagus> My wife can now print through my printer even if I am using linux on it rather than winxp :)
[10:06] <david_____> overdrive: now what?
[10:06] <hagus> So, DaSkreech, I shall be doubly happy tonight :)
[10:06] <draik> hagus, you are very welcome
[10:06] <DaSkreech> hagus: All right :)
[10:06] <overdrive> ok david
[10:06] <DaSkreech> draik: Right on :)
[10:07] <hagus> I can see her shared files too :)
[10:07] <hagus> So, I am in a very good mood.
[10:07] <overdrive> whats the firts option menu on your adept
[10:07] <DaSkreech> See if you can convince your girlfriend to give you a kiss for that as well.
[10:07] <overdrive> on top
[10:07] <DaSkreech> draik: Don't forget to open the tux suit ;-)
[10:07] <draik> DaSkreech, it's was easy, I did the same thing before. Besides, the wiki tutorial is a bit off
[10:07] <draik> LOL
[10:07] <david_____> adept>fetch updates
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Might be time to update it?
[10:08] <draik> DaSkreech, I am actually talking to my gf at this moment and she's wondering why I am lauging like a nut
[10:08] <DaSkreech> tell he Daskreech is a funny kook :)
[10:08] <DaSkreech> her
[10:08] <david_____> and below it, manage repositories
[10:08] <hagus> draik deserves a big smacker from his gf for the help that he gave me - :)
[10:08] <BluesKaj> ok guys , How do I upgrade from KDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 ?
[10:08] <overdrive> second? is admin repositories???
[10:08] <david_____> yes
[10:08] <overdrive> or similar
[10:08] <overdrive> ok
[10:08] <overdrive> click
[10:09] <faksta> if I may ask a question.. how do I mount an image (iso) in kubuntu. do I need some kind of 3rd party software or can the 'mount' thing be used here?
[10:09] <david_____> done
[10:09] <trappist> BluesKaj: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[10:09] <david_____> none of them are selected
[10:09] <overdrive> ok
[10:09] <trappist> faksta: sudo mount -o loop filename.iso /mnt/point
[10:09] <faksta> I'll try that, thanks!
[10:10] <Ireclan> Anyone here familiare with printer installation?
[10:10] <overdrive> now ... select all the lines who starts with "deb" push rigth button and press "Enable" option
[10:10] <vaka> how can i change the root password?
[10:10] <DaSkreech> draik:<whisper> Guess you never made it to the costume shop </whisper>
[10:10] <overdrive> I've spanish version
[10:10] <overdrive> XD
[10:10] <DaSkreech> vaka: There is no root password
[10:11] <vaka> i know
[10:11] <vaka> but there is a command
[10:11] <DaSkreech> !root
[10:11] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:11] <vaka> pwd root or some like this
[10:11] <DaSkreech> passwd root
[10:11] <david_____> overdrive: just deb or deb-src too?
[10:11] <faksta> passwd
[10:11] <faksta> :)
[10:11] <vaka> ty
[10:11] <overdrive> both
[10:12] <david_____> done
[10:12] <david_____> overdrive: hablas espanol_
[10:12] <david_____> ?
[10:12] <overdrive> si
[10:12] <overdrive> jeje
[10:12] <overdrive> soy espaol
[10:12] <BluesKaj> I've dL'd Konstruct, but how do I install the KDE UPgrade .. trappist, Ive been to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php and copied the reos there to the sources.list , but now what's next ?
[10:12] <BluesKaj> repos
[10:12] <Ireclan> *sigh*
[10:12] <david_____> jaajjajja
[10:12] <david_____> soy de venezuela
[10:12] <david_____> jajaja
[10:12] <overdrive> anda
[10:12] <overdrive> yo de espaa
[10:12] <vaka> yo soy espaol
[10:13] <david_____> saludos a la madre espana!
[10:13] <overdrive> jejeje
[10:13] <overdrive> igualmente
[10:13] <david_____> de donde sois_
[10:13] <vaka> barcelona
[10:13] <overdrive> tios pasaros por #kubuntu-es y alli podreis preguntar en espaol
[10:13] <david_____> que bien
[10:13] <hagus> The thing that really impressed me about the way in which draik led me through was how easy he made it - he did not even bark at me when I could not do simple things like find out the ip address of my computer - he told me how to do it.  I am most grateful. So, take a bow, DRAIK :)
[10:13] <david_____> Cool
[10:14] <_martin>  has anyone installed the acx100 drivers from http://acx100.sourceforge.net on kubtuntu. Or can you help uniq? when I come to make terminal just reports *** No targets specified and no mkaefile found. Stop/
[10:14] <Doodluv> you must ./configure
[10:14] <david_____> overdrive: thanks man! It's downloading headers now!
[10:14] <_martin> no such file or directory.
[10:14] <overdrive> david_____: ok !!!
[10:14] <trappist> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <Ireclan> Anyone recieving this error when trying to install a new printer?
[10:15] <Doodluv> _martin: are you in the uncompressed directory, the top level of the source?
[10:15] <draik> vaka, si es posible creando una clave para root
[10:15] <greg> Hi you all. Is anyone in here making a living with Linux? I'm considering going to a tech scool and getting certified>
[10:15] <Ireclan>  <Ireclan> Unable to load the requested driver: Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_832C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[10:15] <vaka> draik ya me lo solucionaron gracias
[10:15] <_martin> Doodluv, yes. I type make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` and get the error
[10:15] <BluesKaj> thx trappist
[10:16] <draik> vaka, de nada
[10:16] <draik> vaka, para la proxima
[10:16] <Doodluv> thats the error you get if there is no make file, are you sure that is the src?
[10:16] <Doodluv> *makefile
[10:16] <draik> DaSkreech is what???
[10:17] <_martin> Doodluv: I am in the directory I unpacked the tarball
[10:17] <BluesKaj> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ??
[10:17] <draik> DaSkreech should use that money for typing courses!!!
[10:17] <soulrider> has anyone tried running utorrent with wine ?
[10:17] <DaSkreech> draik: Naaaw I'll just put in a spell check module to konversation
[10:17] <uniq> _martin: you shouldn't need to compile it yourself, it is included with kubuntu.
[10:17] <greg> DaSkreech: did you get aq certification? How are you making money?
[10:18] <DaSkreech> Or better yet just call K built in spell checker
[10:18] <draik> DaSkreech, that's a better idea... and voice recognition would be MUCH appreciated
[10:18] <Combatjuan> soulrider: This isn't an answer to your question, but ktorrent is my favorite bittorrent client.  It's quite nice.
[10:18] <uniq> _martin: the module name is 'acx_pci', if you insert the card it should be automatically loaded.
[10:18] <BluesKaj> ok working now
[10:18] <DaSkreech> greg: training and setting up servers and scripts for small clients. I'm looking at LPI certification
[10:18] <Doodluv> hmm
[10:18] <uniq> _martin: if it's not you can run 'sudo modprobe acx_pci' in konsole, and check the output of 'dmesg' to see if it successfully loaded.
[10:18] <Doodluv> thanks uniq i had no clue
[10:18] <DaSkreech> draik: Is there a standard Kvoice lib?
[10:18] <Doodluv> modprobe
[10:19] <draik> let me check
[10:19] <greg> DaSkreech: what's LPI certification?
[10:19] <DaSkreech> http://www.lpi.org
[10:19] <draik> Lowest Possible Intelligence???
[10:19] <_martin> uniq: modprobe acx_pci produces nothing.
[10:19] <DaSkreech> also known as a way to sob yourself to sleep at night
[10:20] <soulrider> Combatjuan: id otn think it supports DHT, adn thats a major downside. And i allways have trouble connect to trackers with ktorrent
[10:20] <DaSkreech> Linux Professional institute
[10:20] <_martin> uniq, I have had the card installed.. though it is PCMIA on a latop. whether that makes a difference.
[10:20] <DaSkreech> they have an UBuntu cert :)
[10:20] <DaSkreech> Bloody hard exam though. Make sure your testosterone count is high cause it will drain it righ off
[10:20] <uniq> _martin: shouldn't make a difference, you just need to make sure pcmcia-cs is running.
[10:21] <uniq> _martin: check that it is listen in 'lspci'
[10:21] <draik> DaSkreech, not that I was able to find
[10:21] <MrBallZ> uniq: thanks a lot !!! , it was the stupid umask that wasn't letting me access the damn drive  =) , thanks
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Drat
[10:23] <draik> DaSkreech, knock yourself out... http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=kvoice&btnG=Search
[10:23] <_martin> uniq, dmesg does have a long log about acx and suggests some links...
[10:23] <_martin> uniq: I'm guessing it knows it's there.
[10:24] <rotman> Hi, I want to play midi files, but get the message that /dev/sequencer can not be found. How do I fix that?
[10:26] <trappist> rotman: load the midi driver for your sound card, if it has one
[10:27] <trappist> or try sudo modprobe snd-seq-midi
[10:28] <draik> DaSkreech, http://www.costumecraze.com/ANML40.html
[10:28] <DaSkreech> ha ha ha :)
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Well done :)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Then after that you can get her a Konqui koustume :)
[10:29] <draik> Did you click on the image
[10:29] <draik> Nice blue eyes on the Penguin
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Was I to?
[10:30] <overdrive> jeje
[10:30] <DaSkreech> And no Zipper lines :)
[10:31] <timthelion> does anyone know why adacity doesn't detect my audio i\o device?
[10:32] <draik> DaSkreech, I was just thinking about hooking up a clear-tube hose and have it pissing on a window
[10:32] <timthelion> it say's there was an error initializing the audio i/o layer
[10:32] <uniq> MrBallZ: glad you got it working :)
[10:33] <uniq> _martin: do you see it in 'lspci' ?
[10:33] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure I know why that would be helping your GF come to the enlightened side but I guess you know her best :)
[10:33] <draik> water that falls gets returned into a pump to a reseviour and out at the window again
[10:33] <jacques> where is synaptic storing its cache?
[10:33] <draik> LOL
[10:33] <draik> DaSkreech, it's all about visual-aids
[10:33] <_martin> uniq, yes
[10:34] <MrBallZ> bye bye
[10:34] <_martin> uniq: the card is there in lspci.
[10:34] <uniq> _martin: is it in 'ifconfig -a' ?
[10:34] <vaka> emacs rlz!
[10:34] <BluesKaj> hmmm, well trappist I did the cmds , for upgrade the dist , but i'm still in KDE 3.5.3
[10:34] <uniq> jacques: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:35] <_martin> uniq: I have something under wlan0
[10:35] <uniq> _martin: that's probably it then. did you try to configure it?
[10:36] <_martin> uniq: no.. where would I configure it?
[10:36] <BluesKaj> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:37] <uniq> _martin: alt+f2 'kdesu wlassistant'
[10:38] <_martin> uniq: wlassistant not found.. what package is that under?
[10:38] <uniq> _martin: is this dapper?
[10:38] <trappist> BluesKaj: try again to do just 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', then log out and log back in
[10:38] <uniq> _martin: if you have dapper, the package has the same name. 'wlassistant'
[10:39] <_martin> uniq: breezy
[10:39] <uniq> _martin: ah.. ok hang on, checking.
[10:39] <GBK> where's synaptic's cache file?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> I did logout and back in
[10:40] <BluesKaj> ok , try again
[10:41] <Doodluv> /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:41] <uniq> _martin: try kmenu -> internet -> kwifimanager
[10:42] <uniq> haven't used breezy for ages so i don't know how usable kwifimanager actually is though.
[10:42] <uniq> GBK: as doodluv says, /var/cache/apt/archives, but it's not one file, it's a directory with all the downloaded files. :)
[10:43] <GBK> uniq: thanx a mil. I'm backing up already!
[10:43] <_martin> uniq: yeah.. that works. I have a window now.
[10:44] <Doodluv> oh cache 'file' didnt catch that
[10:44] <uniq> _martin: great, don't ask me how to use it, i have no clue :)
[10:44] <_martin> uniq: righto. Thanks!
[10:44] <GBK> doodluv: thanx!
[10:44] <Doodluv> GBK: np
[10:46] <Gun_Smoke> Looking for documentation on installing themes in kde.
[10:47] <GBK> when selecting a file to compress, it ask to "compress as apt-move *something* what's the difference? which ones have the best compression for a usb stick?
[10:48] <uniq> bzip2 is good.
[10:48] <uniq> tar.bz2 if that's a option.
[10:51] <Gun_Smoke> What is the terminal command to bring up the extra option for kde graphics etc.. themes, icons time and such?
[10:51] <Gun_Smoke> I had it written down here someplace...........
[10:52] <trappist> Gun_Smoke: kcontrol?
[10:52] <GBK> oh hog. now that I select a couple of files is asked for bzip, tar,gzip, zip.Which one is best?
[10:52] <Gun_Smoke> sounds right.
[10:52] <uniq> GBK: bzip has best compression.
[10:52] <trappist> GBK: tar doesn't compress. bzip2 will usually get you the best compression, but it also (usually) takes longer than gzip.  zip is for girls.
[10:53] <gplfighter> lol @ trappist
[10:53] <pyromaniactom> zip is for windows :p
[10:53] <GBK> trappist: you have a dirty mind!
[10:53] <trappist> well, tar will compress if you tell it to use bzip2 or gzip compression (j or z respectively)
[10:53] <_martin> is there any documentation on the /etc/network/interface file anywhere? I need to configure it so I can swap between two networks now..?
[10:54] <trappist> _martin: man interfaces ;)
[10:54] <GBK> Oh well, will play a bit and see what gives me the best option
[10:54] <gplfighter> idd
[10:54] <gplfighter> true trappist
[10:54] <_martin> trappist: arf. thanks.
[10:56] <luke_> anyone get a memory leak with the fglrx drivers?
[10:56] <pavel_> hellow everybody
[10:56] <GBK> has anyone figured out how to play wmv files yet? I've read that Windows media player works with wine
[10:56] <narvik86> vlc can open wmv
[10:57] <pavel_> to plary wmv install xine and add codecs in /usr/lib/codecs
[10:57] <pavel_> to play wmv install xine and add codecs in /usr/lib/codecs
[10:57] <GBK> narvik86: mine only plays the sound
[10:57] <uniq> GBK: you don't want windows media player on linux, codeine, kaffeine, xine, and mplayer are all much better than wmp.
[10:57] <narvik86> and mplayer?
[10:58] <luke_> anyone know how to fix a memory leak in fglrx?
[10:58] <pavel_> mplayer doesn't play wmv (from .deb)
[10:58] <Gun_Smoke> trappist:  Thanks that was it.  And why can't I drag a theme in?
[10:58] <trappist> Gun_Smoke: probably hasn't been coded in.  make a feature request.
[10:59] <Gun_Smoke> trappist:  uhhh. I don't know what that is.
[10:59] <uniq> pavel_: with w32codecs it does.
[10:59] <GBK> uniq: kaffeine don't play it either. never tried codeine, and synaptic have gxine only. is it the same?
[11:00] <uniq> codeine is basically a much better interface to xine.
[11:00] <Gun_Smoke> VLC has worked for just about everything I've needed to play
[11:00] <pavel_> if you compile after you create folder in /.../codecs
[11:00] <uniq> !codecs
[11:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:01] <trappist> Gun_Smoke: a feature request is when you request a new feature for an application
[11:01] <Gun_Smoke> Oh, through whom?
[11:01] <pavel_> does enybody knows how install ati drivers in kubuntu?
[11:01] <trappist> Gun_Smoke: bugs.kde.org I think
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> I know a number of different ways
[11:02] <luke_> does anyone know how to fix the memory leak with the fglrx drivers?
[11:02] <narvik86> pavel_: wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[11:02] <Gun_Smoke> trappist:  I'll check that out.. I looked all over kde-look.org for information on how to install themes, I can't figure it out.
[11:02] <pavel_> I did this: didn't help
[11:03] <uniq> gnite all.
[11:03] <narvik86> mothod I is good, for me
[11:03] <narvik86> gn8
[11:03] <fabian_> hey guys... i updated from kde 3.5.3 to kde 3.5.4 and now I cannot "Unlock" my kicker-bar, is there any fix?
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> luke_: Are you using the latest ones ?
[11:04] <narvik86> h3sp4wn: he is using those from this tut wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[11:04] <pavel_> I use the last one
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> luke_: get the latest ones from ati.com sh ATI-blah.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper
[11:05] <pavel_> 8.27.10
[11:05] <trappist> Gun_Smoke: the tarball you downloaded should have a README file that includes installation instructions
[11:05] <luke_> h3sp4wn how can i check what version i have?
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> luke_: fglrxinfo (I think that is the name of it()
[11:06] <pavel_> I know that. I have a lot of instructions and I still can't do this
[11:06] <narvik86> h3sp4wn: what are your stets to install latest ati drivers?
[11:07] <narvik86> steps*
[11:07] <pavel_> I tried to make them for my sistem - its avalible to do and use ubuntu packadge
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> narvik86: run the file you download --buildpkg ubuntu/dapper
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> install the deb's it creates
[11:09] <narvik86> thats all?
[11:09] <pavel_> when I reboot system - OS works, but I have black screen
[11:09] <Gun_Smoke> trappist:  its a tar.bz2 ... And Ark can't extract it?
[11:09] <pavel_> I did this
[11:09] <narvik86> do i need to remove actual drivers?
[11:09] <pavel_> I genetated *.deb, install, install modules and then reboot
[11:10] <pavel_> what mesa is?
[11:10] <narvik86> pavel_: what modules?
[11:11] <pavel_> there are kernel modules in one deb packadge
[11:11] <narvik86> how to install them?
[11:11] <GBK> back to compression. does not matter what compression I choose, it takes for ever. even a 2meg file still have not completed after about 3min. is that normal
[11:12] <pavel_> use module assistant
[11:12] <narvik86> h3sp4wn: maybe you have link to some howto? do i need to remove previous drivers?
[11:13] <narvik86> pavel_: step by step please :)
[11:13] <chuck1> laptop thief http://www.boind.com/fs.php?url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2061842890783782238
[11:13] <pavel_>  Method 2 in your help
[11:14] <Gun_Smoke> Trying to extract tar.bz2 I get this. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19965
[11:16] <luke_> do you have to uninstall the old fglrx driver before installing the new one?
[11:17] <pavel_> I don't know. May be there is a driver wich I install in setup
[11:18] <pavel_> in installing kubuntu
[11:18] <h3sp4wn>  narvik86: I never used a howto just ATI-driver-installer-whatever.run --help (which informed me you could build packages for dapper)
[11:19] <pavel_> strange. I use kubuntu dapper...
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> I think I may have built the kernel module manually (so as to use the highmem.h from the ubuntu patches
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> fortunately I now have a nvidia card (we are talking the drivers before the ones you are trying to install)
[11:21] <pavel_> may by I have to change something in xorg.conf?
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> pavel_: Have you blacklisted fglrx (from the old version)
[11:21] <narvik86> i have working ati drivers, but i want to be prepare for future :)
[11:22] <pavel_> in  /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common ? yes.
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> do you get any build problems ?
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> the module not compiling properly or anything ?
[11:26] <Ademan> hey in qparted "set active" does that change the primary partition? or what?
[11:26] <pavel_> I can't rebuild my kernel - I don't know how. Use make xconfig and
[11:27] <pavel_> I don't know what to do next
[11:27] <farous> pavel_: why do you want to rebuild your kernel
[11:29] <pavel_> In one how-to they told me to rebuild the kernel. In log file of installetion fglrx there were information about install. And modules did't install properly
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> Do you need anything else that is in restricted modules ?
[11:30] <farous> pavel_: you need to rebuild your kernel to run the fglrx i am just trying to make sure i understand you properly
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> farous: Why is that ?
[11:30] <farous> h3sp4wn: why is what?
[11:30] <farous> sorry i can not understand
[11:31] <pavel_> I put there only DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> pavel_: in /lib/modules/kernelversion/ do you have volatile
[11:32] <farous> h3sp4wn: i have the fglrx driver running properly on one box. and am running the other box with 3-d accel using the opensource drivers
[11:32] <farous> so am just trying to understand what pavel_ want so i can help him
[11:32] <pavel_> what does volatile mean? My english isn't good
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> farous: The latest version of fglrx ? .27 I think it
[11:33] <DaSkreech> pavel_: It means not stable
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> pavel_: its a directory I think the kernel modules will be in by default
[11:33] <DaSkreech> pavel_: Likely to dissappear or change
[11:33] <farous> pavel_: is installing the driver from the repos did not work for you
[11:33] <farous> anyway i think you are in good hand here got to go anyway hope you can solve your prob
[11:34] <pavel_> I can try but it can take some time. I think I tried and didn't work
[11:35] <pavel_> I have some helps but they in russian...
[11:36] <pavel_> my system is notebook with ati mobiliti 9200 (M9)
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> pavel_: You don't need fglrx with a 9200 (radeon should give you acceleration)
[11:37] <pavel_> You think that I don't have an acceleration?
[11:38] <pavel_> How about direct rendering?
[11:38] <Bbetto> osea que si hablara ingles me ayudarian?
[11:38] <pavel_> My quake 1 works bad with default driver
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> You should have direct rendering and acceleration - but fglrx will have put in diverts stopping 3d working at all
[11:39] <draik> Bbetto, hay canales en espanol
[11:39] <draik> !spanish
[11:39] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:39] <gplfighter> !es
[11:40] <gplfighter> !es
[11:40] <pavel_> In my kernel I have DRI
[11:41] <pavel_> I played in NFS MW in this device (in win) and can't pay quake 1!...?...
[11:51] <_martin> is there a way I can view all the machines, routers, hubs etc similar to a ping command?
[11:52] <_martin> so it basically tells me whats on the network...
[11:52] <pavel_> In this how-to (http://www.opennet.ru/base/X/dri.txt.html) show how to setup DRI with fglrx
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> fglrx is not recommended for cards less than 9500
[11:55] <pavel_> What fglrx do?
[11:57] <pavel_> In information about this version said, that it support ati mob. 9200
[11:57] <notech> actually not less than an 8500
[11:57] <notech> and fglrx is the ati 3d driver
[11:57] <pavel_> It's true and I need 3d...
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> notech: radeon provides 3d for upto 9250 better than fglrx
[12:00] <Raven301> !ndiswrapper
[12:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:00] <pavel_> What chip in 9250?
[12:01] <pavel_> Thank you, ubotu
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hey guys, been tryinto upgrade to KDE 3.5.4 but i run into this problem as it tries the install the upgrades : http://pastebin.ca/121328
[12:02] <BluesKaj> to install
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: What app does it relate to ? pastebin.ca is very slow from here
[12:04] <lwizardl> can someone explain to me how I have links direct to the categories in my virtuemart cart section
[12:04] <BluesKaj> it says my locale setting failed ...
[12:05] <lwizardl> oops wrong window
[12:05] <lwizardl> every few minutes i lose networking on my server box, any ideas what coul cause it
[12:06] <BluesKaj>  h3sp4wn, LANGUAGE = "en_CA:en, LC_ALL = (unset),LANG = "en_CA.UTF-8"
[12:07] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, warning: Please check that your locale settings, are supported and installed on your system.
[12:08] <sigg3> anyone want to help a noob?
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: What happens if you run sudo localegen ?
[12:08] <kayleigh28> go on sigg3
[12:08] <sigg3> I got the Ubuntu disk from a friend, and installed it, but I wanted KDE.
[12:08] <sigg3> So I installed the Kubuntu-desktop package.
[12:08] <gplfighter> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:08] <BluesKaj> how do I support and set my locale settings so
[12:08] <sigg3> But it seems I
[12:08] <BluesKaj> localegen: command not found h3sp4wn