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[03:24] And it was good. === caravena [n=caravena@80-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] uh...ok [03:44] Hello, I'm finding in http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-tools/ the glade.in of gnome-system-log. I do not find it. Somebody knows as it is the file? === jdub tries nm again === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-12-221.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] any ideas on how xrandr could be improved so as not to set unsupported refresh modes? I plugged in a new monitor, edited xorg.conf, and after logging into gdm, xrandr helpfully set my old (and unsupported) res === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoff [n=mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] doko: ping [06:34] Fine I'll just stay up until pitti /joins === Fujitsu digs a pit under bluefoxicy. [06:36] heh === bluefoxicy is rebuilding bash with -DFORTIFY_SOURCE=1 to see what happens === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] this is not working === freeflying [n=freeflyi@218.18.72.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2E86.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] good morning [08:11] morning dholbach === dholbach hugs jdub [08:12] how's it going? [08:13] teh rad [08:14] if i didn't know better, i'd guess you're trying to learn a new language ;) === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@218.18.72.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] good morning *yawns* [08:30] morning simira :-) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] morning [08:37] hi fabbione! how goes it? [08:37] hellas fabbione [08:37] dholbach: do you have any idea what package is causing severe redrawing issues in edgy? [08:37] fabbione: what do you mean? [08:37] Hobbsee: pretty much ok i would say.. the baby is sleeping like an angel [08:37] dholbach: sec.. let me take a screenshot [08:38] fabbione: which video driver? [08:38] dholbach: nv [08:38] dholbach: it's not a video driver problem. It started before i did reboot the machine [08:38] fabbione: yay :) [08:38] and i was still using the old driver [08:39] dholbach: it smells like cairo/pango or some gtk [08:39] fabbione: i only know of the ati breakage and themes looking broken because they were not built with gtk 2.10 yet - but now we should have rebuilt all of them [08:40] but let's wait for your screenshot [08:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/corrupt.jpg [08:40] notice URL missing and buttons without names etc. [08:40] if i pass the mouse on top, they show up [08:40] ah, text gone missing [08:41] we had a bug about that [08:41] need to dig it out [08:41] dholbach: it happens on all gtk apps [08:41] or something.. [08:41] xterm works :) [08:41] but basically i can't do anything with my machine atm [08:41] fabbione: do you have any idea about bug 50778? somebody in gnome land pinged me about it [08:41] Malone bug 50778 in Ubuntu "Installer (partitioner) fails on Sun T2000 rev. 2" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50778 [08:42] dholbach: i wish i could read it :) [08:42] dholbach: i can't read the text in FF [08:42] fabbione: w3m? :-) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] fabbione: and you're completely updated? because i saw that "text gone missing" bug a week ago or something [08:43] dholbach: i don't have that hw.. so i have no clue. My t2000 is v1 [08:43] fabbione: :-/ [08:43] dholbach: i updated yesterday afternoon [08:43] ok [08:43] updating again now... [08:43] just for the sake of it [08:44] no, that shouldn't be it :/ [08:46] dholbach: nope... doesn't help [08:46] dholbach: what was the package at fault for that text gone missing? [08:46] i'm trying to find it in malone === cge [n=cge@ip70-181-253-87.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-210-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] fabbione: I can only find bug 52445 - which is something else - I'll ask Sb once he's here - atm you could try if a different theme fixes the issue for you [08:53] Malone bug 52445 in libcairo "after upgrade the gtk library, when using someof fonts, display is missing." [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52445 === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] hmmm cairo.... [08:54] i could also try to downgrade that === marilize hugs fabbione [08:55] fabbione: could we get a logging bot in #ubuntu-laptop? [08:55] hey marilize === fabbione hugs marilize [08:55] Burgundavia: hey mr Burger [08:55] Burgundavia: not without my workstation. Please file a bug and i will do when i am back from paternity leave. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] fabbione: sure [08:56] marilize: 'ello === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] dholbach: different theme makes no diff [08:57] hrm :-/ [08:57] or am i supposed to logout/login again? [08:57] no === Zdra [n=zdra@26.16-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] heya pitti [08:58] Good morning [08:59] Burgundavia: make sure the bug is assigned to me === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] dholbach: it's not libcairo either [08:59] fabbione: nope, going to assign it to Mark ;) [09:00] fabbione: did you have gtk 2.10 before? i mean - did you dist-upgrade regularly? [09:00] dholbach: no i did skip the last week 100% and upgraded only yesterday [09:00] dholbach: have been kind of busy :) [09:00] yeah, can imagine :) [09:00] i can try to downgrade gtk [09:01] no no no [09:01] there's too much stuff depending on it already :) [09:01] morning [09:01] and that shouldn't be it, you must have had 2.10 before [09:02] dholbach: well it downgrades fine... [09:02] let me try [09:02] i mean to < 2.10 [09:02] but i wouldn't try that [09:02] doesn't help either [09:02] it's a bit better [09:03] afaik that was something else - you have ubuntu-desktop installed? === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-40-98.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version. [09:03] does firefox say something if you start it from the terminal? any fancy error messages? [09:03] nop [09:04] hrm [09:04] dholbach: i used FF but it's also xchat and other apps === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] gonna try something [09:08] brb === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw_ [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] dholbach: it's Xorg bug [09:10] actually nvidia [09:10] uh [09:11] strange, i run 'nv' here myself [09:11] nv or nvidia? [09:11] nv [09:11] yeah nv works [09:11] nvidia doesn't [09:11] ahhhh [09:11] screw nvidia! [09:11] the problem is that nv doesn't support multihead [09:11] screw nv* [09:12] fabbione: some people have 'worked around' it by using Xgl; I believe amaranth and ajmitch have experience [09:12] fabbione: I'm sure they would take patches ;-) [09:12] dholbach: can you check if l-r-m has been updated since xorg-server ABI breakage? [09:12] crimsun: that's probably because Xgl is still using the old ABI and it doesn't support multihead properly. [09:13] Nafallo: i did send them patches.. they are in some unknown queue in bugzilla. [09:13] fabbione: Jul 15, so I think not [09:14] fabbione: oh :-/. but then you have nv doing multihead locally? :-) [09:16] /ignore Nafallo*!*@* all [09:16] feh [09:16] ;) [09:16] :-P [09:16] dholbach: i had that feeling === fabbione attempts a local rebuild === mvo [n=egon@p54A669B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] heya mvo [09:20] hi mvo [09:21] Nafallo :) [09:21] dholbach :) [09:21] hi simira :-) [09:21] simira! hello! [09:22] hi Hobbsee [09:22] hmm... [09:22] mvo: I suspect update-manager is stuck again. There can't have been no updates for a week, really? [09:24] hello Hobbsee, simira :) [09:25] simira: does it help if you manually click on the "check" button? [09:27] Riddell: I committed your latest cdbs update to bzr; btw, there was no FTBFS, it just never built (the buildds have been on manual for quite some days) [09:27] hiya pitti [09:28] Hey Hobbsee [09:28] pitti: which mailing list was the main uploads stuff on? i still dont seem to have recieved email about that. nor anything else from that list in a few days, come to think of it. [09:28] pitti: Err, the buildds haven't been on manual. [09:28] infinity: hm, you told so yesterday, didn't you? [09:28] infinity: '.. keep the buildds free for dapper-updates' or so? [09:28] pitti: Not unless I did it in my sleep. [09:28] pitti: Oh, that was just "not doing any mass give-backs". [09:28] ah, I see [09:29] pitti: But new uploads were being built just fine. [09:29] ok, then they are just lagging behind [09:29] They certainly shouldn't be. [09:29] sorry for the confusion then === carlos [n=carlos@84.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity pokes. [09:29] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3801011/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.cdbs_0.4.44ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [09:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cdbs/0.4.44ubuntu4 <= not built for two days [09:30] edgy i386 Needs building [09:30] It failed. The only reason it's needs-build again is because I just did a mass give-back. [09:30] aaah [09:35] oh wtf. -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=1 A) does absolutely nothing without a -O level; B) acts exactly like -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] pitti: Is gcc modifying code going to be a problem for Edgy+1 or is it worth trying to get a look into using -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE when the time comes? [09:36] bluefoxicy: is fortify upstream by now? [09:36] pitti: it's in Ubuntu if that's what you mean. [09:37] bluefoxicy: sure, can't hurt to do some research about it and play with it [09:37] bluefox@icebox:/tmp/x$ gcc -O -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=1 test.c -o test [09:37] test.c:13: warning: call to __builtin___strcpy_chk will always overflow destination buffer [09:37] ^^^ except it turns strcpy() etc etc into __builtin___strcpy_chk() [09:37] bluefoxicy: requires some evaluation of the performance hit, of course [09:37] pitti: I can throw nbench at it but I don't think it'll do any good [09:38] pitti: We still care about performance? This is news. [09:38] this is a case of "a few cycles on certain functions" and there's not good benchmarks for hitting these === infinity has been convinced that since computers appeared to become "fast enough" several years ago, we've just been looking for clever ways to slow them down again. [09:38] besides you can't quantify how often "certain functions" are being executed; it winds up being THEORETICAL_MAXIMUM / 1000000 [09:38] bluefoxicy: I don't mean 'measuring how many cycles the new functions waste', but rather 'will it make a noticeable difference' [09:39] in overall system performance [09:39] Java, mono, sandboxes, secure compilers... [09:39] pitti: in overall system performance I'm rather certain it doesn't. Throw Fedora Core 5 on your box and see if you notice (yes FC5 is all FORTIFY_SOURCE and -fstack-protector) [09:39] true [09:41] heh, maybe I could get some quantity if I could make oprofile behave. === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] I wanted to prove PIE doesn't cause a significant overall performance detriment; Theo de Raadt kept insisting it does and I wanted to prove I knew better than him *ego ego ego* [09:43] so I got oprofile working and measured what was happening in libraries vs in main executables. It takes 1% more CPU to run PIE on i386; Xorg spends 5% of its time in the main executable (overall 0.05% more CPU used); while everything else uses less than 0.02% of its time in the main executable. Total system impact 8% * 1% == 0.08% === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-224-213.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] infinity: this is the impact of "secure compilers" mind you ;) [09:44] pitti: oprofile is supposed to be able to track individual symbols; I may be able to do a system-wide quantification of strcpy(), memcpy(), strncpy(), strcat(), etc etc. Count the calls, CPU percentages, do the math, and find the exact performance impact\ [09:45] bluefoxicy: well, don't overdo it, but some field research can't hurt :) [09:45] I overdid it last time [09:45] left oprofile on, its data file grew to several gigabytes and my disk filled. [09:45] :) [09:45] problem is I have no idea how to get it to track symbols, and how to make the output useful. I can try but if it bites me again no guarantees [09:46] anyway it's 4am I need sleep. [09:53] mvo: it seems so === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] infinity: weird; cdbs' tests all work in a clean pbuilder here [10:08] infinity: and on my amd64 desktop, they almost all fail since automake uses INSTALL_PROGRAM_ENV for 'install -c' which is empty at the point of installation [10:08] so, neither reproduces the buildd situation [10:09] pitti: Sweet. Want me to reproduce and investigate? [10:09] infinity: if you can reproduce it locally, sure [10:09] I'm sure I can. [10:09] I'll spend some time figuring out the autoconf mess === infinity populates a chroot.. [10:16] tsk, this can't *possibly* work... [10:17] make INSTALL_PROGRAM_ENV=STRIPPROG='$(STRIP)' install [10:17] $(INSTALL_PROGRAM_ENV) $(binPROGRAMS_INSTALL) $$p $(DESTDIR)$(bindir)/$$f [10:17] it's clear that $(INSTALL_PROGRAM_ENV) will generate an empty string, so that 'install -c' is not called, but how on earth is that generated? [10:21] pitti: I get the same failure as the buildds. Surprise, surprise. [10:21] infinity: can you pleasea run the test by hand and see what breaks? [10:21] How does one invoke them by hand? [10:21] cd test [10:22] ./autotools-1.sh [10:22] Kamion: can you please sync scim-thai from debian? its NEW and not yet in edgy but important for the thai people [10:22] or whichever test breaks [10:22] pitti: By hand, it works. === infinity grumbles. [10:22] Oh, wait. No. [10:22] False alarm, I'm seeing two different things. [10:23] What's this tar broken pipe all about? === infinity ignores that. [10:23] infinity: I see it everywhere in edgy when building packages [10:23] (not only with cdbs) === pitti ignores it as well === Nafallo confirms === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] Erm, right. That test appears to pass, but claims a failure. Changed output or something? [10:24] infinity: pkg-create-dbgsym? === pitti installs that and tries again [10:24] infinity: since debhelper-2 tests -dbg creation [10:25] dpkg -c $WORKDIR/../cdbs-testsuite-dbg_0.1_*.deb | grep -q /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/main || return_fai [10:25] l [10:25] Yeah, that clearly fails. [10:25] (edgy)adconrad@cthulhu:~/cdbs/cdbs-0.4.44ubuntu4/test$ dpkg-deb -c workdir/cdbs-testsuite-dbg_0.1_*.deb [10:25] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-08-07 08:23 ./ [10:25] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/ [10:25] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/share/ [10:25] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/share/doc/ [10:25] drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/share/doc/cdbs-testsuite-dbg/ [10:25] -rw-r--r-- root/root 94 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/share/doc/cdbs-testsuite-dbg/copyright [10:25] -rw-r--r-- root/root 160 2006-08-07 08:23 ./usr/share/doc/cdbs-testsuite-dbg/changelog.gz [10:25] The package is empty. [10:26] ok, I'm quite sure it's due to pkg-create-dbgsym; I'll take over then [10:26] Except, it shouldn't be doing anything, cause it's told not to mangle. [10:26] dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given [10:27] Does it not quite do "nothing", as one would hope? :) [10:27] if you see that, then it is followed by exit 0... [10:28] Oh, it is exiting instead of doing the -dbg stuff that dh_strip would normally do, perhaps? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] ie: It's doing a bit too much nothing? :) [10:29] *headdesk* [10:29] of course you are right [10:29] silly me [10:29] infinity: that means the recent packages haven't get stripped at all, I'm afraid === lloydinho [n=andreas@192.38.119.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] infinity: oh, no, just the NO_MANGLE ones [10:30] Right, just NO_MANGLE. [10:30] Which is just some test suites, and some d-i stuff. [10:30] And not a whole lot else, afair. === pitti checks all the other 'exit's [10:30] yep, the rest of exits generate FTBFS [10:35] Kamion: hm, I don't get sound with the current dapper ppc/alternate install; did you see this as well? (snd-powermac was not loaded) [10:37] Kamion: the module is not in /etc/modules; I don't have the previous installation any more, but I'm pretty sure it must be added there === stub [n=stub@82.109.136.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@82.109.136.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] Kamion: (bug 55479 filed) [10:43] Malone bug 55479 in debian-installer "no sound with dapper point release candidate powerpc" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55479 === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C1807C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] Kamion: can you also please sync thaixfonts from debian? this is also not available yet in edgy === shenki [n=shenki@ppp168-250.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] infinity: ok, new pkg-create-dbgsym uploaded, confirmed that cdbs works fine with that === pitti grabs the brown paperbag for stupidity === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host155-106.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182052181.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yannick [n=yannick@ANantes-251-1-97-184.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@spoo.flarn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] I go offline for some parallel 6.06.1 candidate test installs === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yannick_ [n=yannick@ANantes-251-1-124-224.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@230.Red-83-39-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host155-106.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Xoff is now known as Xof === shenki [n=shenki@ppp168-250.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] BenC, Kamion: OOPS with current dapper kernel inserting PCMCIA card reader with compactflash card === geser [n=michael@85.25.109.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] sivang, poke poke [11:33] pygi: hi [11:33] hi, you have time sivang ? [11:34] pygi: answering in PM [11:47] Kamion, i have a minor regression in the dapper installer here ... i cant switch consoles anymore ... [11:47] (d-i that is) === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp151-169.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] mvo: please file bugs and subscribe ubuntu-archive - I'm on holiday for the next two weeks [11:54] ogra: worked perfectly well for me - does it stop working at some point in the installer? [11:54] Kamion: Have some nice holidays! [11:54] thanks - just around low-level today to do the point release [11:55] Kamion, i just wanted to check the chrot buildlogs for ltsp and noticed it... no idea if it worked before, i'll check with the next test [11:55] sabdfl: does original dapper oops too? [11:55] Kamion: quite possibly [11:55] it did with a different cflash card, yes [11:55] mdz has that one for testing [11:55] ok, thanks [11:55] doko: is edgy going to do the python transition ? [11:55] or +1 ? [11:55] lifeless: edgy mostly already has === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] oh, awesome [11:56] so I can package a new thing with python-central ? [11:56] yes, please do [11:56] yippee [11:56] I've generally been rejecting or complaining about things in NEW that don't follow the new python policy [11:56] because we're going to need it to be in place when python2.5 arrives [11:57] lifeless: yes, and test with 2.5 as well ;) [11:57] all my packages have been updated in debian, courtesy of the nice NMU storm [11:57] mmm, maybe not all, but close to === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] Kamion: ok, have a nice vacation! === Spads [n=crack@82.211.81.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cymcy [n=cymcy@d83-177-217-105.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] infinity, are you around? === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.81.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] hmm, 55479 is potentially an interesting regression [12:12] I can see why that *might* have regressed [12:12] bug 55479 [12:12] Malone bug 55479 in debian-installer "no sound with dapper point release candidate powerpc" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55479 [12:12] I made some register-module changes for sparc [12:12] i can confirm/reject in 10 mins :) ppc test is nearly through [12:13] don't reject [12:13] nah ... [12:13] deny if you like :) [12:13] :) [12:13] wron vocabulary ;) [12:13] *wrong as well === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] pitti: 11:11 < Kamion> hmm, 55479 is potentially an interesting regression [12:13] 11:12 < Kamion> I can see why that *might* have regressed [12:13] 11:12 < Kamion> I made some register-module changes for sparc [12:14] Kamion: thanks for the heads-up [12:14] OH [12:14] if [ "$ADD_TO_INITRD" = 1 ] ; then [12:14] QUEUEFILE=$QUEUE/$MODULE.load [12:14] else [12:14] QUEUEFILE=$QUEUE/$MODULE.initrd [12:14] fi [12:14] spot the logic error [12:15] pitti: cdbs looks failed to me https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/cdbs/0.4.44ubuntu4 [12:15] we need to rebuild alternate install CDs for that - I'll fix [12:15] oh, shit, and I think we need to rebuild live CDs too :( [12:15] ubiquity uses register-module [12:16] we don't need a full retest of live CDs though, just boot-and-install one option [12:16] Ouch. === bbrazil [i=bbrazil@matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] pitti: thanks for your eagle eyes [12:17] Riddell: I figured it out with infinity, it was due to pkg-create-dbgsym [12:17] Riddell: I fixed that, once it's in the archive, cdbs just needs a give-back [12:18] thanks pitti [12:19] just wondering... is anything happening with grumpy? [12:19] or is that just a draft? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] raphink, hey hey [12:21] hi pygi === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] oh, wait [12:23] we don't need to rebuild ubiquity - I never updated it to the broken version of debian-installer-utils [12:23] yay [12:24] pitti: also, sparc will thank you - I think that's why Dave Miller's install test failed [12:25] I was too tired to notice why at the time, I guess [12:25] Fujitsu: please don't assign ubuntu-archive to bugs [12:25] Fujitsu: by a quirk of malone, doing that takes it *off* the list we normally look at [12:25] Fujitsu: having ubuntu-archive subscribed is quite sufficient [12:26] Kamion, sorry. I forgot I was meant to subscribe, not assign. [12:26] np, fixed [12:26] Thanks. === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] fabbione: your text problem is a definite nvidia driver problem that is known - apparantly some of the changes in the x.org 7.1 ABI was in the glyph ABI === pitti -> offline for CD testing [12:49] ogra: have you or your team tested any of the Edubuntu live CDs for dapper.1? Testing/Current [12:49] not yet ... working on it [12:49] ogra: the Edubuntu install CDs will need to be rebuilt due to 55479, but it's probably reasonable to test them anyway; the delta for the fix is very small [12:49] i'm nearly done with the istal CD tests so far [12:49] ok [12:50] live is going a lot faster here ... :) [12:50] 20mins vs. >1h === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho_ [n=andreas@192.38.119.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] infinity: pkg-create-dbgsym 0.7 is in the archive; can you please give-back cdbs? [01:04] does the sync commandline tool trigger the same kind of syncing as umount does ? [01:04] or is that different ? [01:05] i.e. could i force a sync on a vfat filesystem through calling sync ? [01:05] ogra: unmount only syncs the device, sync syncs *all* buffers (on all devices) [01:05] pitti, yep, thats something i grokked already ... [01:05] sync vfat seems to work [01:05] the question is if i can trick a vfat device to have the contents in sync [01:05] cool [01:06] ogra: you can remount readonly to be safe [01:06] ogra: with just 'sync' there might always be processes which still write to it [01:06] no i cant if it just unlug a device ;) [01:06] *unplug [01:07] i'm trying to implement ltspfs without all the lbus communication, since its not really needed ... ltspfs unmounts if there is no rw traffic, but doesnt show its unmounted to the user .... i want to replace that functionallity through a sync call [01:08] Kamion: I guess you will trigger new dapper/alternate images soon? [01:08] (calling sync instead of mount/umount all the time) [01:13] Kamion: so we deliberately ship 6.06.1 with OO.o 2.0.2 now? [01:15] ogra: you want the 'sync' mount option === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] bbrazil: no, he doesn't really [01:16] sync mount option sucks performance-wise [01:16] yes, but it would appear to be what he asked for [01:18] the 'flush' option would be appropriate here as well (http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0512.3/0050.html) === hungerW [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] bbrazil, sync mount doesnt work with vfat devices due to a kernel regression afak [01:25] i dont really care about performance though [01:25] ogra: sync works, but not perfectly, and it's not a regressions [01:25] s/s$// [01:26] oh, ok [01:26] what does "not perfectly" mean ? [01:26] ogra: the problem is that we do not speak about factor 2 here - we speak about factor 10 to 100, and that does make a difference :( [01:26] ogra: it seems that a small amount of the writeback cache is not synced even with the 'sync' option [01:26] ah, k === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp162-254.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] ogra: i. e. if you mount sync, write a large file, then unmounting still writes stuff on the media === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] ogra: but it's only a tiny bit, much less than the 'one-minute writeback phase' with async [01:27] thats bad ... i need to be able to just rip out the device with as little dataloss as possible [01:28] (preferably with none at all ;) ) [01:28] ogra: then you can really only use the sync option and live with a really sucking performance (not even to mention the drastically increased hard drive wearout) [01:28] ogra: why can't you unmount properly? [01:28] pitti, because i have no access to the actual machine ... [01:29] the trick the ltsp guys use it to cache the content on the client side and to unmount on the server side if theere was no activity for 5 seconds [01:30] so for the user the system pretends its stil mounted which in fact it isnt on the thin client [01:30] s/which/while/ [01:30] as soon as a new access happens, the device gets mounted again [01:30] pitti: trigger> yes, but not until I've rebuilt debian-installer against the fixed debian-installer-utils [01:30] pitti: OOo> yes, 2.0.3 had some regressions [01:31] argh [01:31] ogra: hm, why are you so concerned about unmounting file systems on the server? or do you mean 'file systems on the client side', like usb sticks? [01:31] gnome-settins-daemon spills an error on the dapper update cd .... [01:31] and the desktop doesnt come up at all ... :/ [01:32] pitti, yeah [01:32] funny, I had this as well, until I noticed that I accidentially burned the edgy CD :) [01:32] (the ltspfs "server" runs on the thin client :) ) [01:32] ah === heno_ [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] in the ltsp they have a complicated reoimplementation of dbus i'd like to avoid completely ... [01:33] which does that mount/umount stuff [01:33] ok, back to CD testing. bbl === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] in ubuntu i can just mount/umount -l from udev scripts ... no need for extra complication [01:35] hmm, i didnt burn the edgy CD ... [01:36] console says 6.06.1 [01:36] and lsb_release agrees [01:36] hmm, .xsession-errors is full of alsa errors ... === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] Kamion, seems i have no loopback device over here on 6.06.1 [01:46] argh [01:46] ok, its the old bug with wireless devices where no essid was set... === carlos [n=carlos@26.Red-88-0-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] gnome-settings daemon doesnt work on th eliveCD either :( [01:56] seb128, dholbach, did you test the new dapper packages ? [01:56] ogra: for what? [01:57]