[03:07] <johnlittle> yo marketing peeps
[04:18] <adamant1988> hey johnlittle
[04:27] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, the counter is getting similar windows viewage, but i think alot of that is exposure to the buttons in forums and on blogs
[04:28] <adamant1988> Getting the word out is a big thing.
[04:28] <adamant1988> When Ubuntu reaches the point redhat was at, where it is synonymous with Linux, people will start pushing for it on Dells and HPs
[05:01] <johnlittle> Yeah blog exposure is very useful
[05:02] <adamant1988> and when Dell and HP start offering Ubuntu it will start seeing market share
[05:28] <iCod> hey
[05:29] <iCod> hey?
[05:29] <adamant1988> hey
[05:30] <iCod> what's up?
[05:32] <adamant1988> not much
[05:33] <adamant1988> brb
[05:33] <iCod> k, just curious since I've been away
[05:59] <iCod> hey richj
[06:10] <johnlittle> ugh..45 minutes from Monday
[06:11] <adamant1988> heh
[06:14] <johnlittle> Nix you around?
[06:15] <adamant1988> nixternal ping
[06:15] <nixternal> whats up!
[06:15] <nixternal> dfajl
[06:15] <nixternal> afda
[06:15] <nixternal> hehe
[06:15] <adamant1988> Yes, he's around johnlittle
[06:15] <nixternal> im gettin' ready to do some BOFH stuff ;)
[06:15] <adamant1988> BOFH?
[06:15] <nixternal> bastard operator from hell
[06:16] <nixternal> i have a guy in one of my chans being a little immature and anti CoC kinda sorta
[06:16] <adamant1988> I'm reading... The economics of Linux are fascinating.
[06:16] <adamant1988> ooooh, what channel?
[06:17] <nixternal> lol
[06:17] <nixternal> im half asleep for some reason
[06:17] <johnlittle> I may pull an all nighter..tons of stuff to do before morning
[06:17] <johnlittle> I'm too old for that :(
[06:17] <nixternal> i just might passout soon
[06:17] <adamant1988> that's cool johnlittle... try some skyrocket
[06:17] <nixternal> heh, im only 32, still young
[06:17] <nixternal> haha
[06:18] <johnlittle> I'll stick to coffee :)
[06:18] <nixternal> hehe
[06:18] <nixternal> i could use some actually
[06:18] <adamant1988> pfft... coffee is for the weak
[06:19] <adamant1988> and it tastes bad.   Try some "bawls" (has so much caffeine there is grips on the bottle).
[06:19] <nixternal> mmm bawls ;)
[06:19] <johnlittle> I like Monster...but coffee is my first love
[06:19] <adamant1988> I started with coffee when I was 2
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm so immune to caffeine that if I don't get it in LARGE doses it doesn't do anything for me.
[06:20] <johnlittle> Or just drop a couple crack rocks in a cup of crystal lite...mmmm
[06:20] <adamant1988> I can go through a 12 pack of coke in a couple hours and still sleep on time
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm up right now because I'm reading about the economic models with Linux... which ones are going to lead to more OEM installations etc.
[06:21] <johnlittle> Yeah i need a few million milligrams of caffine to be functional..i can't get a buzz on it anymore
[06:21] <johnlittle> a true addict
[08:37] <johnlittle> nixternal?
[08:37] <nixternal> hello
[08:37] <johnlittle> Question..
[08:37] <johnlittle> How many people are active on the marketing team..as far as you know?
[08:38] <nixternal> comes and goes really, but you will see 20+ daily i believe
[08:38] <adamant1988> depends on what you mean by active...
[08:38] <johnlittle> Heh
[08:38] <nixternal> right now, i think most of the people over -> are looking for a little direction really, as I know I find myself looking for it as well
[08:39] <nixternal> i feel more is getting done marketing wise with the LoCo's over the Marketing Team
[08:39] <nixternal> that is why i feel there needs to be a collaboration between the 2
[08:39] <adamant1988> I've been focusing more on my local projects more than anything
[08:39] <johnlittle> Surprised there isn't
[08:39] <nixternal> with the LoCo's you have probably over 1000 Ubuntu advocates out there working
[08:39] <nixternal> there has always been talk, just no action
[08:40] <johnlittle> It's like a lot of volunteer work. You can't wait for somebody to tell you what to do...just do it. But then you risk stepping on toes
[08:41] <nixternal> exactly
[08:41] <johnlittle> Who sets the deliverables for the team..or does it work like that?
[08:42] <nixternal> there needs to be a set "Marketing Agenda" for Ubuntu in it's entirety, and truthfully, I think Canonical needs to set that agenda if they want a real MT
[08:42] <nixternal> nobody does...which i kind of think that is an issue
[08:42] <nixternal> i know there are others who disagree, but I had worked for SuSE prior to them being taken over by Novell, and their Marketing Team was awesome
[08:42] <johnlittle> Seems like it. I expected there to be a Canonical person driving it before I joined.
[08:43] <nixternal> they were a German based company and owned market share at one point, and it was community driven as well, to a point
[08:43] <johnlittle> Yeah I was SUSE before Ubuntu
[08:43] <nixternal> the rules/guidelines, as well as the type of stuff that needed to get done was put out by employees of course, and then the community ran with it
[08:44] <nixternal> Ubuntu has "Word of Mouth" marketing right now and that is it
[08:44] <nixternal> granted nothign beats "Word of Mouth", we must need more Mouths
[08:44] <nixternal> we need to create content that will push non-users to those mouths to learn more about Ubuntu
[08:45] <johnlittle> It's been effective but the more ambitious stuff like magazines would probably benefit from a bit more structure
[08:45] <nixternal> for instance, we had 90 people yesterday join #ubuntu-classroom for an IRC lecture
[08:45] <nixternal> a lot of the people were using Windows and mIRC
[08:45] <johnlittle> Yep..thats why I created ubuntu video
[08:45] <nixternal> i have emails from people who want to switch, and asked for my help...i am open to everyone all the time
[08:45] <nixternal> just from the class i got 10 interested switchers
[08:46] <nixternal> they "heard" about ubuntu on digg, heard about the classroom on digg, and i did some work to get it pimped
[08:46] <nixternal> i had 2 people message me asking what exactly ubuntu was
[08:47] <nixternal> i told one guy i would ship him an Ubuntu CD, a Kubuntu CD, and some stickers for his enjoyment and to check out
[08:47] <nixternal> he was on dial up, so i wasn't expecting him to dl the isos
[08:48] <elkbuntu> or wait 4-10 weeks for delivery and have time to forget all about it ;)
[08:48] <nixternal> hehe ya
[08:49] <nixternal> i shipped him 5 CDs yesterday, and emailed him information on each CD i sent him
[08:49] <johnlittle> Is the marketing team interfacing with LUGs at all?
[08:49] <nixternal> nope
[08:49] <nixternal> but the LoCo's do
[08:49] <nixternal> right now I am currently in 5 different LUGs just to keep up
[08:49] <nixternal> not in as a member, but i frequent the meetings
[08:50] <Madpilot> 5 LUGs? Wow, we've only got one locally, and it's more into beer drinking & Gentoo :|
[08:50] <nixternal> ya same here Madpilot
[08:50] <nixternal> ChiLUG is good though
[08:51] <Madpilot> beer drinking I'm in favour of; Gentoo I don't see the point of :)
[08:51] <nixternal> I haven't made it to one of their events, but they are all pretty cool guys and have a good setup going
[08:51] <nixternal> hehe
[08:51] <nixternal> I will be the "Ubuntu/Debian" guy for the College of DuPage LUG here within the next few weeks
[08:51] <johnlittle> Ubuntu probably has all the brand awareness it needs in the linux world by now though
[08:52] <nixternal> they/we just did an install fest...and their typical 15 to 20 people was darn close to 100
[08:52] <nixternal> and about 80 were Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu installs ;)
[08:52] <johnlittle> heh not surprising
[08:52] <nixternal> I know I made one professor who envies Slackware MAD!!!
[08:52] <nixternal> i just hope i never get him as a professor during the courses i am about to embark on ;)
[08:53] <johnlittle> lol
[09:23] <ormiret> nixternal: the "Public relations" section in your wiki mockups: was that for mathewrevell's press project?
[09:23] <nixternal> yes sir
[09:23] <ormiret> OK I'll leave that bit for him to write
[09:23] <nixternal> i have no clue what is up with any of that truthfully
[09:24] <ormiret> :)
[09:24] <nixternal> that whole thing is a mess yet
[09:41] <matthewrevell> Morning all. Been PC-free all weekend. Have I missed anything?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> not much
[09:42] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: the marketing team issue of memberships seems to have died down
[09:43] <johnlittle> He missed the launch of http://www.ubuntuvideo.com :)
[09:44] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Cool. I think we can safely mark that one as, "Mistake made during transitional period" :)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:44] <Burgundavia> thankfully LP is far better at membership stuff than even 6 months ago
[09:44] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I noticed a thread about that in the ML. Just reading John Baer's proposals at the moment
[09:44] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: john baer seems very enthusiastic
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: What does team membership let someone do? Rather a basic question, I realise
[09:45] <johnlittle> Good question
[09:45] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: nothing but a shiny button on their user page
[09:45] <Burgundavia> "feeling of inclusion"
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Yeah, which is great.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> yep, both very good but quite "soft"
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Ah, superb
[09:46] <Burgundavia> we need more people helping out the existing projects, like UWN and the Knot release reports, like I mentioned in my email
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ideas are good but fairly cheap, talk is cheaper
[09:46] <johnlittle> It's probably best that I created ubuntuvideo and then joined the team lol
[09:46] <matthewrevell> I say "superb" because it means that what I'm about to suggest is probably worthwhile: let's stop moderating memberships.
[09:46] <Burgundavia> sure that works
[09:47] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Agreed. I think people in the team are coming round to the idea that the magazine idea wasn't yet fully formed and that other projects need the help more
[09:47] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:47] <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs
[09:48] <Burgundavia> and SU seems to have died the "fridge is now working" death, which is a good death
[09:48] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: marketing is now an open team
[09:48] <matthewrevell> SU is only dead because Jenda is on holiday
[09:48] <matthewrevell> I believe
[09:48] <nixternal> [02:47]  <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs
[09:48] <nixternal> great idea ;)
[09:48] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I did
[09:48] <Burgundavia> we need an open task list, on the wiki
[09:48] <nixternal> i know you did Burgundavia as that helps out you and I tremendously
[09:49] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I'm definitely up for working on UWN
[09:49] <Burgundavia> let me edit the wiki page
[09:49] <matthewrevell> brb
[09:50] <nixternal> for Kubuntu Knot release reports, I pretty much have that covered
[09:50] <nixternal> i have a decent grasp with what is new and exciting for the knot releases since I work along side #kubuntu-devel as much as possible
[09:51] <matthewrevell> I have to admit ignorance when it comes to knot reprots
[09:51] <nixternal> there needs to be Xubuntu and Edubuntu release reports as well, and I am sure the Ubuntu release report is pretty large
[09:51] <nixternal> matthewrevell: i was in the same boat for knot1 release, but i was thrown in it, and i could either sink or swim...luckily i swam ;)
[09:51] <matthewrevell> I'll reply to Burgundavia's post, with a "okay, enough ideas, let's do some work" :)
[09:52] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: tbbbhh...
[09:52] <nixternal> my knot 2 release report, which is still "draft", is getting rave reviews ;)
[09:52] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Hey, more than happy to help out, I'll follow your lead
[09:52] <nixternal> which if it wasn't for Burgundavia lighting a fire under my @$$, i would have been working on it at the last second im sure ;)
[09:52] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: ?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: that was me blowing a raspberry at you
[09:53] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Oh :) BTW - not suggesting we need more work from you, dude
[09:53] <matthewrevell> :)
[09:54] <nixternal> heh, i also have a manual merge via MoM as well..i gotta get that done today, or Hobbsee will be chasing me with a pointy stick for sure
[09:54] <matthewrevell> johnlittle's idea of an, erm, ideas list may work better now that an active group is starting to form within the team.
[09:54] <matthewrevell> Sorry, not ideas list, "things to do" list.
[09:55] <nixternal> i swore there used to be one for the MT
[09:55] <matthewrevell> Previously, it's been a bit pie in the sky.
[09:55] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: right, my plate is already pretty crowded
[09:55] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, but it was stuff like, "Get me a mockup for this site or other"
[09:55] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'm pretty busy too but I can definitely squeeze in some kind of "to do" list
[09:56] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'll see what's already there, and amend it, or create a new one
[09:56] <matthewrevell> nixternal: You still working on the MT wiki pages?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/GetInvolved
[09:56] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Would love to help.
[09:56] <Burgundavia> updated for actual projects in motion
[09:56] <Burgundavia> feel free to add stuff
[09:56] <nixternal> cool matthewrevell, they are open for editing
[09:56] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: oh right
[09:56] <matthewrevell> :)
[09:56] <nixternal> feel free to write away on it if you would like
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Sure thing :)
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Didn't want to jump in if you had a plan underway
[09:57] <nixternal> i have actually neglected it for the past couple of weeks, one due to vacation, plus edgy work and trying to get in with the doc team a little more
[09:57] <matthewrevell> We've got to lose the team purpose statement on the MT home page
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: fair enough
[09:57] <nixternal> the plan is there, it just needs content and some loving ;)
[09:57] <Burgundavia> the fewer wiki pages we have, the better
[09:58] <nixternal> i think the V2 is what we want
[09:58] <nixternal> once we have something, then I am going to do a /Marketing main page, and then everything falls under it
[09:58] <nixternal> if someone is interested in Ubuntu Marketing, the only thing they see is an Ubuntu Marketing "Team" page that is hectic
[09:59] <matthewrevell> The team home pag should be nice and simple
[09:59] <nixternal> i woud like to see a "Brief" but "Professional" main Marketing page that explains Ubuntu Marketing, not team ideas, and goals
[09:59] <matthewrevell> yeah, sounds good
[09:59] <nixternal> i believe you have some mad marketing skills, so i am sure you can rock out with no problems
[10:00] <matthewrevell> The team is too loose for a statement of purpose
[10:00] <nixternal> exactly my point
[10:00] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu <-- at some point this week, this page is going to go to ubuntu.com/community/participate
[10:00] <johnlittle> It's a vibe more than a mission :)
[10:00] <matthewrevell> other than, "If you want to help with Ubuntu's marketing, then just do it."
[10:00] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ping me when you are done editing the GetInvolved page
[10:00] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Yeah, exactly :)
[10:01] <nixternal> nice Burgundavia!
[10:01] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: No edits..go for it.
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'll amend that HelpingUbuntu page.
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Unless anyone else was planning to
[10:01] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: yes please do. Add anything you think that shoudl come over from the existing participate page
[10:01] <nixternal> man, johnlittle just shows up and boom, he is working his tail off editing wiki pages, providing us with some awesome video
[10:02] <johnlittle> Should I add Ubuntu Video as a project?
[10:02] <nixternal> which btw johnlittle, if it wasn't for you, i would have never seen that hour long video of mark probably
[10:02] <nixternal> that was good stuff at the brazil debconf i believe
[10:02] <johnlittle> nixternal: cool video isnt it
[10:02] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: as a non-official one, sure, but it is more a doc project
[10:03] <matthewrevell> right, I gotta go, sadly
[10:03] <matthewrevell> Catch ya later
[10:03] <johnlittle> How do I add it as a non-official project? I'
[10:03] <nixternal> hey johnlittle, i must say, it would be great to get about 10,000 more of you right now...you just came out of no where and you are rocking it brother!!!  i really like the attitude and your interest in helping Ubuntu!
[10:03] <nixternal> you rock man!
[10:03] <johnlittle> I'd like to be able to appeal to ubuntu marketing team members to record videos for it
[10:04] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you looking for marketing videos or documentation videos?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> you currently have  the latter
[10:04] <johnlittle> Nixternal: Thanks. It's just nice to be able to contribute. Wish I had more time
[10:04] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Both!
[10:04] <nixternal> i know the feeling!!! welcome none-the-less
[10:04] <nixternal> feel free to email me at nixternal@ubuntu.com if you ever need anything!
[10:04] <johnlittle> thanks :)
[10:04] <nixternal> on that note, i am gonna goto bed ;)
[10:05] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[10:05] <johnlittle> oh bed..I should do that soon lol
[10:05] <johnlittle> nite
[10:06] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you have two different categories in your wordpress thingy?
[10:06] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I want to collect more user stories, gaming related videos, stuff that appeals to casual users
[10:06] <johnlittle> yeah..i have 4-5 now
[10:06] <Burgundavia> maybe ask for each type on each different page
[10:06] <johnlittle> Yeah that makes sense
[10:08] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:25] <KenSentMe> morning
[10:25] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: I have a question about lug radio rss feeds. Can i ask you that here?
[10:27] <Madpilot> matthewrevell, on that topic, can we harrass you about when the next LugRadio ep is coming out? :)
[10:29] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[10:30] <ormiret> Madpilot: should be today
[10:30] <Madpilot> cool
[10:30] <Madpilot> looking forward to the LRL report :)
[10:32] <ormiret> This will be the one recorded live at LRL (and the last of the season :( )
[10:32] <KenSentMe> What program do you use to collect the feeds from lug radio?
[10:33] <ormiret> bloglines.com
[10:33] <KenSentMe> I use iPodder, but it downloads the recordings with the extensions .ogg?project instead of .ogg
[10:33] <Madpilot> I just check the site at random :)
[10:33] <Madpilot> then download
[10:34] <KenSentMe> Pretty annoying. My mp3 car radio doesn't accept those extensions
[10:38] <digitalmouse> ken:  no desire to convert to mp3?
[10:39] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: the same with mp3, the extension becomes mp3?podcast instead of just mp3 (my car audio only excepts mp3 btw)
[10:40] <digitalmouse> write a little bash script to rename automagically :-)
[10:40] <digitalmouse> add the bash script to a cron process that watches a folder where the files are stored so you can 'fire-n-forget'
[10:42] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: that's not the way to solve problems. Maybe i can write such a script but other users may not
[10:42] <digitalmouse> then write one, add a little gui to it, and make it available to everyone - that is a way to *share* solved problems
[10:43] <digitalmouse> publicizing helps everyone
[10:44] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: again, that's no solution, it's a way to work around a problem. How will people know i've made a solution. I've the problem can be solved on the suppliers side it's much better
[10:44] <digitalmouse> or, ask the host of the podcast to see if the problem is at their end.  could be a simple link fudging.
[10:44] <KenSentMe> I've / if
[10:44] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: that's why i was pinging matthewrevell
[10:44] <ormiret> KenSentMe: ask in #lugradio
[10:45] <KenSentMe> ormiret: good tip
[10:47] <digitalmouse> ken: I agree, but if others have that problem it is probably posted someplace.  if matthew cannot fix it at his end (though unlikely given his level of knowledge), then a bash-script solution is viable as well, IMHO.  better to have other possibilities available.  and maybe turn it into an article/tutorial on solving problems with ubuntu an something like Gambas (GUI-app developer) or other RAD package that requires little programm
[10:48] <digitalmouse> way*  (not was)
[10:49] <digitalmouse> (no coffee yet this morning)
[10:49] <KenSentMe> I agree, but i haven't asked the people at Lug Radio. I think that's the first step. If they can't / won't solve it, THEN i'll check other ways
[10:51] <digitalmouse> sounds like a plan
[10:51] <digitalmouse> :-)
[07:08] <johnlittle> Despite being touted as the most secure version of the Windows operating series, Microsoft's upcoming Vista has already been hacked at a hackers' conference last week, reports CNET News.com.
[07:15] <Chons> ^^
[07:17] <Klaidas> Dear aunt,
[07:17] <Klaidas> you saw that one? :)
[07:18] <Klaidas> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472&q=vista+presentation
[07:38] <lophyte> hahaha
[07:38] <lophyte> nice.
[10:14] <johnlittle> I created an Ubuntu Video project page. Not sure if this is what I should have done. I guess it can always be deleted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuVideo
[10:54] <lophyte> johnlittle: a group of people from Ubuntu Canada are meeting up next Friday to discuss doing videos, actually
[10:54] <johnlittle> lophyte: fantastic
[10:55] <lophyte> johnlittle: we have a Linux Caffe in Toronto.. the owner has some experience with film and video, as do a few of us in the team.. so we're gonna meet at the Caffe and toss ideas around
[10:55] <lophyte> I'll post on the marketing mailing list what we come up with if you'd like
[10:56] <johnlittle> please do. And if you can make whatever you create available via YouTube and Goolge it facilitates distribution (even though it isn't FOSS)
[10:56] <lophyte> agreed :)
[10:56] <johnlittle> er Google
[10:57] <johnlittle> Sounds like you could do something pretty creative with a group like that
[10:57] <johnlittle> Have you watched the adventures in Linux clip?
[10:57] <lophyte> nope
[10:57] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/2006/08/05/adventures-in-linux-episode-1-ubuntu/
[10:57] <johnlittle> Pretty creative stuff from those guys
[10:58] <lophyte> oo, I wasn't aware there was an ubuntu video
[10:58] <adamant1988> yeah
[10:58] <adamant1988> my blog is linked to on there :D
[10:59] <johnlittle> Link back :p
[10:59] <adamant1988> Maybe i will :P
[10:59] <lophyte> I'm not quite sure what this Ubuntu Canada team is gonna do, we haven't really tossed out any ideas yet, but that what hte meeting will be for
[10:59] <lophyte> I imagined it'd be mostly promotional type stuff, but who knows
[10:59] <adamant1988> I think that widespread marketing teams are kind of caught between a rock and a hard place
[10:59] <johnlittle> Just work  in the word ubuntu and I'll post it lol
[11:00] <adamant1988> I've come to that conclusion after seeing all the things I've been able to do locally, but my severely limited options when it comes to the Marketing Team.
[11:00] <lophyte> well, the reason I joined the marketing team is because I'm enthusiastic about promoting it and sharing it with others locally, but at the same time I believe there needs to be some kind of central management hub for those efforts..
[11:01] <adamant1988> I think the purpose of the marketing team would be better to act as a center point for the loco teams, to see some collaborative efforts between them.
[11:01] <lophyte> yup, that's exactly how I see it
[11:01] <johnlittle> agreed
[11:01] <lophyte> we collaborate internationally, and then find people in our localities and get together with them to go and actually do the things we've planned
[11:01] <adamant1988> As it stands right now everything we do is in addition to the loco teams which are (typically) more active and more productive.  We're limited by cost, the Loco teams decide what their needs are individually.
[11:02] <adamant1988> if the marketing team had a bank account I think we would be a bit more effective.
[11:02] <lophyte> I'd say there needs to be some sort of organizational heirarchy (for marketing efforts anyway) with the marketing team at the top and the locos under it
[11:03] <lophyte> it'd be even better if there was one or two representatives from each loco team in the marketing team.. kinda like a loco marketing person
[11:03] <adamant1988> I disagree, that implies that the marketing team should be 'more powerful' than the locos.  The loco teams are actually out there, they're in the field and they know the territory.  Having a marketing team 'head' that told the Loco's what they should and shouldn't be doing is a bad idea.
[11:04] <lophyte> well, no.. it'd be a collaborative effort, not necessarily a power thing
[11:04] <lophyte> by heirarchy, I meant organizationally.. not power
[11:04] <adamant1988> The Marketing team should be a rep from each loco team so they can collaborate, share ideas, and maybe even provide each other with small funding efforts.
[11:04] <lophyte> exactly.
[11:04] <adamant1988> think of it as a 'franchised' marketing team.
[11:04] <lophyte> sorry, I didn't make myself clear
[11:04] <lophyte> that's exactly what I was thinking
[11:05] <adamant1988> The loco teams would be given a certain set of rules that needed to be played by, but for everything else they could do what they needed.
[11:05] <lophyte> I agree
[11:06] <adamant1988> and 'the marketing team' would merely be a means for the locos to collaborate and share information and statistics.
[11:06] <lophyte> yeah :)
[11:07] <adamant1988> I've actually been inspired to start a small business out of the loco team here in Elkins.
[11:08] <adamant1988> I've had a lot of luck with the bait & hook advertising method locally, and this is a population that is just scared of computers.
[11:08] <lophyte> I've been wanting to start Linux consulting business for a while.. I'm planning to in the next few years
[11:08] <adamant1988> lophyte you want to see if this works for you?
[11:08] <adamant1988> Do you have a laptop?
[11:09] <lophyte> not at the moment
[11:09] <adamant1988> Oh, I've found this works better with a laptop
[11:09] <lophyte> I'll probably get one at some point when I find some work
[11:10] <adamant1988> What I usually do is I go to the Wifi-Cafes and Libraries with Wifi access and sit around for a few hours and search and wait for someone there to do something stupid on their computer or start complaining about how slow things are, or other typical windows behavior
[11:10] <adamant1988> Then what you do is "bait them" by "overhearing" them and coming out with "Oh, that's a shame, I don't have that problem anymore since I started using Ubuntu Linux"
[11:11] <adamant1988> Of course you have to look them right in the eye and say it
[11:11] <lophyte> nice.. I never thought of that
[11:11] <adamant1988> and their next statement will tell you exactly what you need to do
[11:11] <lophyte> though, that's kinda what I did to my girlfriend
[11:11] <lophyte> I'll try that
[11:11] <adamant1988> Sometimes I get "What's that", other times I get "I thought Linux was hard" or "But Linux is just command line stuff like DOS isn't it?"
[11:12] <lophyte> and you smile and say nope
[11:12] <adamant1988> Yeah but it works a LOT better if you can show them that their preconceived notions of linux are completely wrong.
[11:12] <lophyte> yeah, true enough
[11:12] <adamant1988> Which is why I keep my laptop handy
[11:12] <lophyte> though, couldn't you boot the live CD on those computers anyway?
[11:12] <adamant1988> I also show them how simple program installation is.
[11:12] <adamant1988> Not around here, the PCs aren't powerful enough
[11:12] <lophyte> ah
[11:12] <adamant1988> Plus I've been kicked out of BestBuy for that
[11:13] <lophyte> my girlfriend was complaining about stupid error messages she gets whenever Windows boots up
[11:13] <adamant1988> I was testing their PCs for linux compatibility with an Ubuntu disk and one of their sales reps flipped retarded on me
[11:13] <lophyte> so I showed her Ubuntu and let her try it for a while.. so far she's got no complaints
[11:13] <lophyte> haha
[11:14] <adamant1988> he came by and was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
[11:14] <johnlittle> most people just use their OS as life support for a broswer now anyway
[11:14] <lophyte> exactly
[11:14] <adamant1988> Most of my work is internet only anymore.
[11:16] <adamant1988> My needs in a PC are a trifold.  I need Media... i can't stand computing quietly, there is ALWAYS music playing on my computer. I need Programs... I need programs that are pretty up to date and I need to see new additions to my library of programs being added (semi) regularly  so that I don't feel so limited, and I need internet
[11:17] <adamant1988> But I also like having a computing experience that looks nice, so I refuse to use KDE
[11:17] <lophyte> what do you use?
[11:17] <adamant1988> Gnome
[11:18] <adamant1988> Everything I use is Gnome... the only reason I would use otherwise is if the distro supplied functionality I needed but kind of 'locked me in' with KDE
[11:18] <adamant1988> in which case KDE would be modified and themed as much as possible to look just like gnome.
[11:19] <adamant1988> but stock KDE looks like something I would see on a computer designed for a 5 year old...it just looks like it was made by playskool.
[11:19] <lophyte> I agree
[11:19] <lophyte> I use Gnome as well
[11:19] <adamant1988> Whereas gnome looks simple and clean right off the bat unless the distro has been screwing with it.
[11:20] <johnlittle> KDE makes me want to hurt somebody
[11:20] <johnlittle> there are some great KDE apps tho
[11:20] <adamant1988> k3b rocks
[11:20] <johnlittle> yep
[11:20] <adamant1988> and KDE is supposedly going to help assist in hardware implementation with KDE 4
[11:21] <adamant1988> but if they don't make it look different I'm going to cry
[11:21] <adamant1988> anywho, we're off topic
[11:21] <lophyte> hehe, yeah
[11:22] <adamant1988> anywho lophyte the point is don't use LiveCDs at bestbuy, and get a laptop
[11:22] <adamant1988> I would buy a laptop from System76 but the battery life on them leaves something to be desired.
[11:23] <johnlittle> i might pick up a laptop in a couple of weeks
[11:23] <adamant1988> But yes, My "business" as it were is going nicely, although I don't think I'm going to push Ubuntu solely.
[11:25] <lophyte> My business idea mostly targets moving small-to-medium sized businesses to Linux
[11:25] <adamant1988> Right now as it stands I have a decent install business going that adds to itself.  I do a free installations for groups of people.  Like full families and friends.
[11:25] <adamant1988> But I make money still because I'm charging for my time.
[11:25] <lophyte> that's cool
[11:25] <adamant1988> But the installations themselves are free.
[11:26] <adamant1988> That way I'm not charging for the OS
[11:26] <lophyte> I'd like to help convert businesses to Ubuntu, and make my money off of supporting them
[11:26] <adamant1988> I could push businesses in multiple directions.
[11:27] <lophyte> like, small businesses who could really benefit from cutting the costs of proprietary products
[11:27] <adamant1988> locally businesses spend a lot of money on backup tapes and so forth because they worry about virus and spyware issues.
[11:28] <lophyte> I'm also considering pulling together Kerberos and LDAP into a single package, and writing a GUI configuration tool for them
[11:28] <lophyte> for single sign-on services on a business network
[11:28] <adamant1988> That's where I'm aiming to target, I can show them that they will save money by switching to Ubuntu simply because they don't have to worry about viruses and spyware.
[11:28] <lophyte> yeah
[11:29] <adamant1988> so that the total cost of installation would be less than they would spend on the tapes in 2 months.
[11:29] <adamant1988> and they would start actually seeing the 'savings' in the following months.
[11:30] <adamant1988> But right now I'm strictly grass roots
[11:31] <adamant1988> I'm looking to collaborate with more people, get some potential investments, and maybe even talk with some people about making it into a corporation.
[11:32] <lophyte> that's what I'd like to do at some point
[11:32] <adamant1988> perhaps we could collaborate then lophyte/
[11:33] <lophyte> that sounds like a good idea
[11:33] <adamant1988> I'm looking for partners anyway
[11:33] <lophyte> I'm definitely interested in that
[11:33] <lophyte> you mean kinda like two separate companies having a business relationship?
[11:35] <adamant1988> or we could make one, whichever suits the needs of us both best.
[11:36] <lophyte> I also thought of it like that too.. kinda like one company, two locations
[11:37] <adamant1988> think: franchise.
[11:37] <lophyte> yeah
[11:38] <adamant1988> we could workout the details via email my email is (my name) @ Gmail.com
[11:39] <lophyte> mine is demsullivan@gmail.com
[11:40] <adamant1988> you really shouldn't have done that
[11:41] <lophyte> why?
[11:41] <lophyte> oh.. irc logs.. d'oh
[11:41] <adamant1988> this channel is logged...
[11:41] <johnlittle> It won't travel far :)
[11:42] <nixternal> get um RichJ
[11:42] <johnlittle> lol
[11:42] <lophyte> haha
[11:43] <lophyte> alrighty.. I gotta go for a bit
[11:45] <johnlittle> ttyl
[11:45] <adamant1988> so nixternal how are the kids?
[11:48] <nixternal> kids?
[11:49] <nixternal> i have 1 10 yo daughter ;)
[11:49] <nixternal> don't give me any more please
[11:50] <johnlittle> lol
[11:52] <adamant1988> lol
[11:52] <adamant1988> I give you props, I could never have a daughter... there would be too many dead sons about 13 years after she was born 0_0
[11:53] <johnlittle> I will not spawn..at least not soon. I may go larry king style
[11:55] <adamant1988> lol