[12:07] <railz2> when I put in the cd it asked to upgrade or start package manager, i choose package manager and it added the cd as a source
[12:08] <railz2> but next to no packages are being listed, i see the dapper kernel and a couple of things but thats about it
[12:08] <railz2> for ex, no upgrades are shown for firefox, gnome, xchat and pretty much everything else
[12:08] <railz2> i made sure all other sources are removed so it's only the cd
[12:08] <Mez> railz2 - have a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:08] <railz2> this is the only line uncommented
[12:08] <Mez> you need to change everything from "hoary" to "dapper"
[12:08] <railz2> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)] / dapper main restricted
[12:09] <Mez> railz2... then do a
[12:09] <Mez> sudo apt-get update
[12:09] <railz2> already did
[12:09] <Mez> sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:09] <Mez> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[12:09] <railz2> when i do update or reload in synaptic it's showing only about 8 packages in total that can be upgraded
[12:10] <railz2> i've never done dselect-upgrade whats that?
[12:10] <Mez> same as dist-0upgrade but will remove packages you dont need
[12:10] <railz2> i just wanted to see all the packages available in synaptic first then i was going to kill X and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:11] <Mez> railz2 - this isnt the place - try #ubuntu or the mailing lists
[12:11] <railz2> i realize this isn't the place, but no one knows in #ubuntu and the forums are failing me
[12:11] <railz2> this should be relatively easy but can't find the solution
[12:11] <railz2> but i'll try elsewhere
[12:44] <ajmitch> bmonty: pong
[12:46] <ajmitch> railz2: sorry, you can't use the live/desktop cd to do upgrades - it's the one failing of it not having the packages on the cd as packages
[12:53] <Lathiat> i always thought the 'alternate' cd should be called the upgrade cd or something
[12:56] <ajmitch> except that it's not primarily used for that
[01:12] <bmonty> ajmitch: any updates on your SoC project?
[01:22] <hub> are we in UVF for Universe?
[01:23] <tseng> no.
[01:23] <bmonty> hub: are you looking at the email about sympa on ubuntu-motu?
[01:23] <hub> yeah
[01:24] <bmonty> it looks like that package is just a sync
[01:24] <hub> bmonty: I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Note that there doesn't seem to be a newer sympa in Sid.
[01:28] <Toadstool> bmonty, hub: edgy has the exact same version as sid, looks like the package is not well maintained in Debian
[01:40] <Fujitsu> There should be a CC meeting tomorrow, shouldn't there?
[01:57] <zul_> i thought it takes place on tuesday
[02:02] <Fujitsu> zul_, it is Tuesday tomorrow here :P
[02:03] <Fujitsu> But I note that there was no meeting on the 25th, when there should have been.
[03:05] <LaserJock> grr, my laptop just doesn't like mouse buttons after coming out of hibernation
[03:05] <zul_> macbook?
[03:05] <LaserJock> no
[03:05] <LaserJock> toshiba
[03:05] <zul_> ah that explains it :)
[03:05] <LaserJock> it's kinda crappy
[03:05] <LaserJock> wrt hibernation
[03:06] <zul_> i heard nothing but bad things about toshibas
[03:06] <LaserJock> sound doesn't work
[03:06] <LaserJock> and now the mouse buttons don't work
[03:06] <LaserJock> I just have to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[03:07] <jsgotangco> really
[03:07] <jsgotangco> satellites are a pain based on my experience
[03:07] <jsgotangco> not so much on the Tecras
[03:07] <LaserJock> it has been a pretty nice machine for me
[03:08] <LaserJock> not *too* many complaints considering how much I paid for it at the time
[03:08] <LaserJock> but hibernation is weird to start with I guess
[03:08] <LaserJock> it goes through the BIOS stuff, etc.
[03:09] <LaserJock> that isn't normal is it?
[03:09] <LaserJock> I don't have any other hibernation experience so I'm not sure what other laptops do
[03:09] <jsgotangco> hibernate saves the session in your disk and powers down
[03:10] <LaserJock> right
[03:10] <LaserJock> but what is it supposed to do when you come out?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> so when you boot up, you'll still get your bios stuff
[03:10] <jsgotangco> i think what you're expecting is when you suspend to ram
[03:10] <LaserJock> ah, could be
[03:11] <jsgotangco> dont even try it on a binary video driver its more likely to fail than succeed
[03:48] <caravena> Hello, I'm finding in http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-system-tools/ the glade.in of gnome-system-log. I do not find it.  Somebody knows as it is the file?
[03:57] <welshbyte> i think gnome-system-log is part of gnome-utils
[04:01] <caravena> welshbyte: "logview" == "gnome-system-tool"?
[04:02] <caravena> welshbyte: "logview" == "gnome-system-log"? (Sorry)
[04:03] <crimsun> geez.
[04:03] <crimsun> so in an attempt to not drag in xulrunner's libs, I have to build-depend on firefox-dev and add firefox as an explicit dependency.
[04:04] <crimsun> I don't know which hurts more.
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[04:05] <crimsun> on top of that, I seem to be triggering a strange feature in GTK+ 2.10.1 in which a dbox doesn't respond to a delete-event.
[04:06] <welshbyte> caravena: yes, it looks like it
[04:07] <welshbyte> is
[04:34] <Munchkinguy> I would like to reccomend for inclusion in the universe: Sakreble, a scrabble-type word game
[04:34] <Munchkinguy> The source can be found at
[04:34] <Munchkinguy> http://sakreble.sourceforge.net/
[04:35] <imbrandon> |||||||||||||||||||||\
[04:36] <zul_> hey imbrandon
[04:45] <Munchkinguy> ...because it's the free only gui-based scrabble c
[04:45] <Munchkinguy> lone out there
[05:08] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:14] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hi zul :)
[05:28] <zul> right im going to bed....night night
[05:28] <Hobbsee> night zul
[05:40] <Fujitsu> Anybody want to approve two syncs for me?
[05:40] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[05:40] <Fujitsu> One has been duplicated.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: which ones?
[05:46] <Fujitsu> bug #55264 is trackballs...
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55264 in trackballs "Please sync trackballs 1.1.1-4 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55264
[05:46] <Fujitsu> And bug #54402 is playmidi, but it's been duplicated by bddebian in #55085.
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54402 in playmidi "Please sync playmidi 2.4debian-5 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54402
[05:47] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i remember trackballs.
[06:08] <micahcowan> how are versions compared for packages? I'm trying to help someone in #ubuntu with a custom package that he doesn't want conflicting with ubuntu-only versions... I advised him to use netatalk_2.0.3~3ubuntu1 (note the tilde), but that appears not to do the trick...
[06:09] <LaserJock> micahcowan: you can use dpkg --compare-versions
[06:10] <LaserJock> micahcowan: something along the lines of dpkg --compare-versions <packagversion1> lt <packagversion2>
[06:10] <micahcowan> LaserJock, thanks; is it completely just an ASCII charval comparison?
[06:10] <LaserJock> not sure
[06:11] <LaserJock> I wouldn't use a tilde
[06:11] <LaserJock> I'd probably go with putting something on the end
[06:15] <micahcowan> so that minor ubuntu revisions would override? I'm not sure that's what he wants...
[06:19] <crimsun> micahcowan: for which release, dapper?
[06:20] <micahcowan> well, apparently, it may be what he wants, so he should put it on the end afterwards. crimsun, yeah, I believe he's on dapper.
[06:20] <crimsun> micahcowan: 2.0.3-3ubuntu1 is dapper's, so anything newer that isn't newer than a possible update would work.
[06:21] <crimsun> 2.0.3-3ubuntu1.1~tackystuffgoeshere1
[06:22] <micahcowan> cool.
[06:22] <micahcowan> I'm surprised, though that substituting + for - (before the XubuntuX bit) results in a "greater" version, despite the fact that + is less than -, ascii-character wise.
[06:23] <crimsun> right, because the '+' can be part of the original source version.
[06:24] <crimsun> '-' is strictly used to separate source version from package revision
[06:24] <crimsun> (well, ideally it's only used in such a fashion)
[06:31] <micahcowan> what might I use, then, if I didn't care about any revisions coming down the pipe from debian and ubuntu, only actual version changes to the upstream? +3ubuntu1 or somesuch?
[06:37] <crimsun> micahcowan: 2.0.4~blahblahblah1
[06:52] !lilo:*! services is restarting, please let us know if you still have a cloak problem after it restarts....thanks
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[07:53] <Fujitsu> muse has some conflicts in muse_fr.qm and muse_sv_SE.qm, which appear to be compiled translations. What should be done to them?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: check the dates and the sizes
[07:56] <Hobbsee> likely debian has updated them
[07:57] <Fujitsu> True.
[07:57] <Fujitsu> Ubuntu's are two years older.
[07:57] <Fujitsu> Thankyou!
[07:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: :)
[08:06] <Fujitsu> The only remaining Ubuntu change in muse is the removal of rules to backup config.{guess,sub}. Why would that be there in the first place?
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Not to back them up, but to move them away then link default ones.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: does the changelog say?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach!
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:11] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[08:12] <dholbach> hey TheMuso - i did an orca upload, hope you didn't mind :)
[08:12] <TheMuso> dholbach: I now have a Braille display, so will be able to do a lot more a11y/braille testing for brltty, and GNOME.
[08:12] <TheMuso> Not at all.
[08:12] <dholbach> TheMuso: wow - super
[08:13] <TheMuso> dholbach: Am I to assume that orca is not in line with the new python policy yet?
[08:14] <dholbach> uh, no it isn't
[08:14] <TheMuso> I can do that if you'd like.
[08:14] <dholbach> it's gnome release today and tomorrow again, so if you want to do that - i'm happy to upload it for you
[08:14] <TheMuso> Cheers.
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, the entry in the Debian changelog says thus:
[08:18] <Fujitsu>   * Updated config.guess and config.sub to the latest versions in
[08:18] <Fujitsu>     autotools-dev (Closes: #165663).
[08:18] <Hobbsee> bug 165663
[08:18] <Hobbsee> debian 165663
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 165663 in muse "Subject: muse_0.5.3-1(mipsel/unstable): out of date config.guess / config.sub" [Serious,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/165663
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what are the ubuntu changes on that package?
[08:19] <Fujitsu> Just that at the moment.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> And bug 165663 only affects mips.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: mips?
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Yes, mips the archictecture, which Ubuntu doesn't currently do.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:20] <Fujitsu> From that bug: `muse has an old version of config.sub and config.guess, which don't correctly support mips and mipsel.'
[08:21] <Nafallo> ehm. debian only has it in experimental, but the changelog says it somes from unstable?
[08:21] <Nafallo> s/somes/comes/
[08:21] <Fujitsu> I don't see why Ubuntu needs that stuff removed... If we leave it, we score an extra sync.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, i'd try building and installign the debian version, then requesting a sync
[08:22] <Fujitsu> OK, that I shall do.
[08:34] <Hobbsee_> sigh.
[08:36] <Nafallo> we still got time for merges and new upstream versions in universe, no?
[08:36] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: yep
[08:37] <Nafallo> nice. I'll start working on jabberd2 then :-)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: you've got till sept 7
[08:37] <Nafallo> hehe, I hope I will finish it today, but thanks :-)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: :P  then you can do all the other merges
[08:47] <TheMuso> Anybody have any ideas as to what one does with packages that are python, but also produce a shared library for bindings to other libraries?
[08:49] <TheMuso> Nothing mentioned here.
[08:59] <crimsun> TheMuso: python-gtk2 comes to mind.
[09:01] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks, I'll have a look.
[09:19] <Toadstool> 'morning everybody
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Evening!
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[09:20] <Nafallo> bon jour Toadstool :-)
[09:20] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: Fujitsu has some merges, etc :P
[09:20] <Toadstool> :)
[09:21] <Toadstool> let me grab some coffee first, I've just got out of my bed :p
[09:21] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: dont you have to do the merge in the process of updating it?
[09:22] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: the package in debian experimental is an /entirely/ diffrent story then what was in unstable earlier :-). I'll rather maintain the unstable version.
[09:22] <Nafallo> ...in ubuntu that is.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: heh.   you might have fun next version of ubuntu then?
[09:22] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:23] <Nafallo> we already does this with gajim ;-)
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Anybody have any idea what `${man/[17] /sgml}' is meant to do? I presume it's a bashism...
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I got a response from the fbi maintainer. He'll fix it up in the next upload, which he's planning to do next Sunday.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: right, cool.  you might want to suggest the ubuntu changes to him as well, and ask if he wants to use them in debian.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: seeing as then we can sync it :P
[09:32] <Fujitsu> Can anybody help with removing that bashism?
[09:33] <Fujitsu> Urgh, work.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:37] <crimsun> it's a pattern substitution
[09:38] <Hobbsee> but it get paid, and that bit is useful.
[09:38] <crimsun> think s/foo/bar/
[09:38] <Hobbsee> s/it/i'
[09:38] <Hobbsee> s/it/i/
[09:40] <Fujitsu> Er, a three argument substitution?
[09:41] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: ${man/[17] /sgml} is a bashism, it replaces the first occurrence of 1 or 7 in $man by sgml
[09:41] <Toadstool> e.g: foo.1 -> foo.sgml
[09:41] <Toadstool> see man bash ;)
[09:42] <Fujitsu> Ah. OK... How do I unbashise it? Is there a POSIX-compliant equivalent, or do I have to specify all the files manually?
[09:48] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: hmm... you could try something like "${man%[17] }sgml"
[09:50] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: with this, 1 or 7 must be at the end of $man though
[10:08] <Fujitsu> That seems to have worked, Toadstool... But now I'm getting some unknown instruction errors from the assembler. How pleasant.
[10:08] <Toadstool> heh :)
[10:26] <Fujitsu> Ah. I see why.
[10:26] <Fujitsu> It's a PowerPC-only package.
[10:27] <Fujitsu> >_<
[10:27] <Toadstool> :D
[10:28] <Fujitsu> I didn't think I knew of an `mr' opcode in the x86 instruction set.
[10:52] <phanatic> morning
[10:56] <Gloubiboulga> morning phanatic
[10:57] <phanatic> hi Gloubiboulga
[10:57] <Gloubiboulga> (damn, mor<tab> never works)
[10:57] <Toadstool> hi phanatic
[10:57] <phanatic> hi Toadstool
[11:22] <phanatic> if somebody has time to review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2847
[11:35] <Fujitsu> How odd. Bug #54845 was marked as fixed 5 days ago, but the new version apparently didn't actually come through.
[11:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54845 in muse "[Sync Request]  muse 0.8.1a-2" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54845
[11:35] <dholbach> Fujitsu: maybe it FTBFS?
[11:36] <Fujitsu> No, it works fine. I checked it myself, and was about to file a sync request when I noticed there was already one, but closed.
[11:59] <crimsun> Fujitsu: that's odd, please ping an admin to have that checked.
[11:59] <Fujitsu> An archive admin?
[11:59] <Fujitsu> I shall do.
[11:59] <crimsun> It's not in the NEW queue (wouldn't need to be), and the source packages haven't appeared on the public mirror at all.
[12:00] <Fujitsu> I noticed that.
[12:00] <Fujitsu> Also, are things meant to appear on edgy-changes after they are built? Or before?
[12:00] <tseng> before.
[12:01] <crimsun> that only means they were accepted as source uploads.
[12:01] <Fujitsu> I thought so.
[12:03] <crimsun> dupload/dput _source.changes -> -> qprocd [-> source NEW]  -> publisher -> buildd [-> binary NEW]  -> publisher -> mirror (publicly available on archive.uc)
[12:04] <crimsun> the accept seen on edgy-changes is right at the end of second stage (after source NEW if necessary)
[12:05] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:06] <geser> If I read https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/muse/0.7.1+0.7.2pre5-2ubuntu1 correctly it was first uploaded to edgy and then two hours later the same version to dapper again
[12:06] <geser> on the same page are also only build logs for dapper listed
[12:07] <Fujitsu> That's the old version.
[12:07] <crimsun> no
[12:07] <crimsun> ISO date format is used, so it's May 8th vs. June 8th
[12:08] <geser> yes, I should read more carefully
[12:10] <crimsun> FWIW, infinity doesn't handle syncs; you probably want to wait for keybuk since kamion is on vacation
[12:11] <crimsun> I probably should have clarified that before, d'oh
[12:11] <Fujitsu> Ah, I noted that Kamion was on vacation.
[12:11] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[12:12] <crimsun> -> work
[12:12] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[12:12] <dholbach> Fujitsu: is going to be on vacation
[12:12] <dholbach> Fujitsu: <Kamion> mvo: please file bugs and subscribe ubuntu-archive - I'm on holiday for the next two weeks
[12:13] <Fujitsu> I'll reopen the existing one, then.
[12:24] <phanatic> hi raphink
[12:24] <raphink> hi phanatic
[01:54] <Toadstool> siretart: around?
[02:15] <Toadstool> yay! first MOTU mentor mail :)
[02:16] <siretart> Toadstool: yes? (but at work)
[02:16] <Toadstool> siretart: hi, I've made a patch for revu1: http://revu.tauware.de/index.py or index.py?archived=false -> shows only current uploads and index.py?archived=true shows archived uploads (with a link to the other page on each one)
[02:17] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga and I think the page is far too long ;)
[02:18] <Toadstool> if you're interested in applying the patch, I've published my branch at http://resel.fr/~jcorbier/revu1/
[02:19] <siretart> Toadstool: wow. I definitly am interested in any patches
[02:19] <Toadstool> cool :)
[02:22] <siretart> Toadstool: yes, you're right. splitting the page is a good idea
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Yeah, it's horrifically long at the moment.
[02:23] <siretart> Toadstool: one thing: Perhaps we should provide a link to show archived uploads at the main page, no?
[02:23] <siretart> I don't see that link in your diff
[02:23] <Toadstool> er just under the <h2>...</h2> no?
[02:24] <siretart> arg, my bad. you're right
[02:24] <Toadstool> :)
[02:26] <siretart> I can't apply it right now, because the production revu is still running as a svn checkout. I have moving it to a bzr checkout on my list, and when thats done, I will include your patch
[02:26] <Toadstool> ok, cool
[02:26] <Toadstool> thanks :)
[02:29] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[03:50] <TheMuso> Night folks
[03:50] <Hobbsee> night TheMuso
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:08] <dholbach> how are we going to deal with pitti's "get your packages sponsored" proposal?
[05:10] <bddebian> Deal with it?
[05:10] <bddebian> Hi dholbach :-)
[05:10] <Nafallo> hi bddebian :-)
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya Nafallo
[05:11] <dholbach> we have the 'motureviewers' team everywhere
[05:11] <dholbach> and a mailing list for it
[05:14] <bddebian> dholbach: ?
[05:14] <dholbach> ubuntu-universe-sponsors  and  motureviewers  are slightly redundant, no?
[05:15] <bddebian> Well motureviewers are for MOTU-wannabe sponsored uploads for Universe, no?
[05:15] <dholbach> and ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[05:19] <bddebian> dholbach: I'm not sure, is that the one they want to set up for MOTUs to get main uploads sponsored?
[05:19] <dholbach> no
[05:19] <dholbach> but i'm happier if there's one process we have to document
[05:19] <bddebian> Oh, hmm, I don't know then :-)
[05:19] <dholbach> :)
[05:20] <Nafallo> dholbach: for people that have lost their gpg-keys?
[05:20] <dholbach> Nafallo: and for everybody not being an uploader to ubuntu yet
[05:20] <Nafallo> I think it is redundant then...
[05:23] <dholbach> we could close down the motureviewers team and stop the mailing list also - it kept on getting a lot of spam
[05:28] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah, I would drop ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[05:29] <Nafallo> indeed
[05:29] <Nafallo> that's the new kid, so have less mindshare.
[05:30] <dholbach> i would do it otherwise, for having correlation between the team names and the list got more spam than bug mails :/
[05:31] <Nafallo> well... spamfilter anyone? :-)
[05:33] <bddebian> dholbach: Aren't you the boss?  Do what you want. ;-P
[05:34] <dholbach> hahahaha
[05:34] <dholbach> far from it ;)
[05:34] <bddebian> dholbach: Well who IS the boss for MOTUs? :-)
[05:34] <dholbach> the MOTUs :)
[05:35] <bddebian> Scary
[05:36] <Nafallo> lol
[05:36] <fryfrog> hi sirs, i have been told by a debian package guy that this would be the chan to dicuss...
[05:36] <fryfrog> zomg
[05:36] <fryfrog> he is here ;p
[05:37] <fryfrog> So anyway, Gallery 2 in debian is nice and current, ubuntu it is... not
[05:38] <fryfrog> it'd be super-awsome if that could be resolved :)
[05:40] <fryfrog> it'd be pretty groovy if i wasn't talking to myself too :)
[05:40] <bddebian> fryfrog: What is the acutal package name?
[05:40] <schultmc> bddebian: gallery2
[05:40] <fryfrog> gallery2 :)
[05:40] <schultmc> if I was a MOTU I could handle this myself :)
[05:41] <fryfrog> wait wait, if you were He-Man?
[05:41] <schultmc> heh
[05:41] <schultmc> by the power of Greyskull, I have the power!
[05:41] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:42] <Nafallo> when I DO upload something it's mostly main anyway :-P
[05:42] <Nafallo> and I can't do that without a proxy-person :-P
[05:42] <bddebian> fryfrog: Are you taling about Dapper?
[05:42] <Nafallo> s/Dapper/6.06 LTS/g
[05:42] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:43] <fryfrog> yes, 6.06
[05:43] <fryfrog> specifically, i am gooving around in the server install right now
[05:44] <Nafallo> 6.06 is frozen. like sarge in debian :-).
[05:44] <nexu> what does LTS stands for anyway ?
[05:44] <bddebian> fryfrog: The only way to get that done would be to request a backport on Launchpad.  Debian and Ubuntu are in sync for Edgy
[05:44] <schultmc> Long Term Support
[05:45] <nexu> whats is the big deal about it ?
[05:45] <Nafallo> nexu: 3 year security on the desktop
[05:45] <Nafallo> nexu: 5 year on the server...
[05:45] <Nafallo> so LTS :-)
[05:45] <fryfrog> Nafallo: I'm sorry, i don't understand?  Frozen?  Every day or three, I do an "apt-get update" and there are updated packages?
[05:46] <fryfrog> Nafallo: is it not reasonable to go from Gallery2 2.0.2 -> Gallery 2 2.1.1?
[05:46] <fryfrog> Nafallo: if that is the case, its okay cause I can work around it just fine
[05:46] <fryfrog> my thought was that I could get Gallery2 package in ubuntu updated *and* make things easier in this silly vmware appliance
[05:46] <fryfrog> but i can do the same with svn, it just won't help ubuntu at all
[05:47] <nexu> Nafallo: heh
[05:48] <Nafallo> fryfrog: security updates and other hi-urgency packages
[05:48] <nexu> Nafallo: i wonder or they'll keep their word on it and how they'll realize it
[05:48] <nexu> User X: "i need to run app Y and it doesnt work on 6.06 LTS"
[05:48] <fryfrog> nexu: what do you mean?  assuming they don't just... disappear, seems pretty easy to provide support
[05:49] <nexu> well, or they 'll just tell the users to upgrade
[05:49] <nexu> or something
[05:49] <fryfrog> they support *ubuntus* stuff on it
[05:49] <Nafallo> main+restricted
[05:49] <Nafallo> nexu: does app Y exist in ubuntu? :-)
[05:50] <Nafallo> nexu: where ubuntu is main + restricted ;-)
[05:50] <nexu> ow noes it doesnt! there goes my support ;-(
[05:51] <fryfrog> ?
[05:51] <fryfrog> nexu: isn't that a bit retarded?
[05:51] <nexu> kinda, i was joking anyway
[05:51] <fryfrog> nexu: does MS offer support for adobe photoshop?
[05:51] <fryfrog> oh :)
[05:51] <fryfrog> ;p
[05:51] <Nafallo> but then again. we motus can probably upload some of that fixes to dapper-updates if needed to :-)
[05:51] <nexu> hence the ;-(
[05:52] <Nafallo> like I already uploaded the gajim bugfix release :-)
[05:52] <bddebian> Nafallo: But those have to get approved don't they?
[05:53] <Nafallo> bddebian: yes, Kamion etc... :-)
[06:30] <Chons> hi. as the task list on the wiki is pretty empty and I would like to contribute, I wonder where to start.
[06:31] <LaserJock> Chons: do you know how to create source packages?
[06:31] <Chons> not yet, I am working on that
[06:32] <LaserJock> Chons: cool
[06:46] <LaserJock> schultmc: cool
[06:46] <LaserJock> right now I think mostly we are working on getting all the packages in Edgy updated/merged from Debian unstable
[06:46] <LaserJock> as well as doing bug fixes
[07:17] <kozz> what is the number before the : good for in package version? like kdebase-bin has 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu1, the 4 there
[07:20] <schultmc> kozz: that's an epoch
[07:21] <schultmc> if you increase an epoch, it makes it so you can install a lower version instead
[07:21] <fryfrog> haha, what is an epcoh?
[07:21] <fryfrog> oh
[07:21] <schultmc> like 3:1.0 can install over 2:2.0
[07:21] <kozz> as I though actually, but thanks
[07:21] <kozz> good to be certain
[08:08] <tristanbob_> are there any Ubuntu projects that involve security compliance checking - something similar to Microsoft Baseline Analyzer?  I am interested in enforcing network admission control.
[08:08] <tristanbob_> making sure the system packages are up to date, etc.
[08:11] <Yagisan> tristanbob_, use an app such as nessus
[08:11] <tristanbob_> right, that is great for external scanning
[08:12] <tristanbob_> but a client could provide more visibility to internal status
[08:12] <tristanbob_> I was trying to find a #ubuntu-security to ask them, but I didn't see one
[08:13] <lucas> tristanbob_: I personnally run a cron job to check that my system is up to date
[08:14] <tristanbob_> lucas: that is also a great idea - however I would like to find a client that can report the status of security updates, and inform the network device of the status
[08:15] <tristanbob_> that way a non-conforming end-station can be isolated and directed to remediation
[08:58] <dholbach> good night everybody
[08:59] <LaserJock> good night dholbach
[08:59] <dholbach> night laser
[08:59] <dholbach> LaserJock :)
[09:23] <Sp4rKy> hi
[09:23] <Sp4rKy> what's the syntaxe for add an url to a manpage ?
[09:23] <Sp4rKy> with direct link to the real adress