[12:20] <mhz> Do we have any 'ideal' url to submit artwrok to?
[12:20] <mhz> artwork ;)
[04:18] <bddebian> Hello
[07:33] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[07:33] <cbx33> howz it going
[07:34] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[07:34] <highvoltage> great and you?
[07:34] <highvoltage> you're up early!
[07:34] <cbx33> yup
[07:34] <cbx33> sorint out my ubuntu studio for some recording this afternoon
[07:38] <cbx33> hopefully got two new themes to record :D
[07:38] <cbx33> and I may possibly conceive some new ones at work today
[07:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:43] <cbx33> i think my colleague thinks I'm strange when I run back to my desk, pick up my pocket pc and start singing to it
[07:43] <crimsun> that goes without saying.
[07:43] <cbx33> heheh
[07:43] <bimberi_> cbx33: how about the sound of fingernails on blackboard (to go with the background)? ;p
[07:43] <crimsun> the good news, of course, is that everyone is bizarre. :)
[07:43] <cbx33> thanks for the help crimsun 
[07:43] <crimsun> np
[07:44] <cbx33> bimberi_, I just don't think it would gel
[07:44] <cbx33> imho
[07:44] <bimberi_> awww
[07:48] <bimberi_> cbx33: more seriously, when i ride to my sons' school there is this 'cacophony of the playground' to be heard.  Perhaps something like that (faded in/out)?
[07:49] <cbx33> bimberi_, if you have a mic
[07:49] <cbx33> please record it :p
[07:50] <cbx33> seing as school is out for summer here, and you'd probably more likely to hear...you*%*&$ $**^* from this age of kids
[07:50] <bimberi_> lol
[07:51] <bimberi_> hm i don't have any good quality recording gear but i'll see what i can do
[07:52] <cbx33> :D
[07:54] <cbx33> rihgt I'm off for breakie
[08:28] <RichEd> hello ... popping in for a sec :)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd
[08:30] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco :)
[08:51] <nixternal> there was a link to a package, "school tools" or similar i had ran across in the past...anyone know what i am talking about?  it seems i have either confused myself, or i can't find it
[08:51] <nixternal> i did a wiki page on some package a month or so ago, and i cannot remember the name
[08:54] <nixternal> found it...CanDo
[08:55] <Burgundavia> nixternal: and schooltool
[08:55] <nixternal> not tools
[08:55] <nixternal> that was my mistake ;)
[08:56] <nixternal> Burgundavia: im chatting with jbrouhard and he has something similar but proprietary that he can't switch from that he uses in his taekwondo academy
[09:02] <chris449> hi
[09:03] <chris449> when installing edubuntu it gets up to building ltsp chroot
[09:03] <chris449> then the screen goes black with 2 dots on it
[09:03] <chris449> what's wrong?
[09:04] <chris449> i thought it was the cd
[09:05] <chris449> so i used a new cd the same problem
[09:06] <RichEd> chris449: at around 50% 60% ?
[09:07] <RichEd> i had the same thing ... also thought the install was broken ... but it was a graphics display issue
[09:09] <chris449> 50% exactly
[09:10] <RichEd> ah ... same symptoms
[09:10] <chris449> 3 times i've tried
[09:10] <chris449> u fix it?
[09:10] <RichEd> my install is continued in the background, and after 20-30 mins, the CD drive popped open, requesting a reboot
[09:10] <chris449> ah ok
[09:10] <chris449> so just ignore it?
[09:10] <RichEd> you need to be patient ... i hard booted twice :)
[09:10] <chris449> lol
[09:11] <RichEd> yep, looks like the graphics driver does not like the text mode install load, and cannot display properly
[09:11] <chris449> out of interest can the workstation install still run server type programs eg http etc
[09:11] <RichEd> when it rebots, it goes into graphics mode, and all is okay
[09:11] <chris449> kool
[09:12] <RichEd> chris449:  you'll need to check on the site for exact info, my understanding is still a bit limited. main difference is that the server has LTSP hosting
[09:13] <RichEd> and the server has a non-graphical web server loaded
[09:13] <chris449> do u know if edubuntu has all the same features as ubuntu - but more
[09:13] <chris449> sorry
[09:13] <RichEd> but there should be no reason why you cannot install something like say Apache on Edubntu "w/s"
[09:13] <chris449> let me rephrase
[09:13] <chris449> ah ok
[09:13] <chris449> that was what i meant
[09:13] <RichEd> open to correction :) my early opinion
[09:14] <chris449> anything that works on ubuntu works on edubuntu?
[09:14] <RichEd> ubuntu is the engine of edubuntu
[09:14] <chris449> so yes?
[09:14] <RichEd> edubuntu is ubuntu with educational applications packaged
[09:14] <chris449> coz i used shipit to get the edubuntu cds and can't be stuffed waiting for my ubuntu cds
[09:14] <chris449> ah ok
[09:14] <chris449> thanks
[09:14] <RichEd> edubuntu server has LTSP packaged
[09:14] <chris449> actually, that probably suits my purposes more
[09:14] <chris449> this could be interesting - playing with this distro
[09:15] <RichEd> any native LINUX functionality is done at a Ubuntu level
[09:15] <chris449> kool
[09:15] <chris449> that's what i wanted to hear
[09:15] <RichEd> edubuntu is the next layer above
[09:15] <chris449> kk
[09:16] <RichEd> not to be taken as 100% gospel ... but that's the high level view
[09:16] <chris449> eh ok
[09:16] <chris449> now i just gotta wait another 45 mins to let it install omg :(
[09:17] <chris449> u wouldn't know anything about grub would u?
[09:17] <RichEd> crack open a frostie and pop another shrimp etc .... while you wait
[09:18] <RichEd> chris449: you looking to edit mutiple boots ?
[09:18] <chris449> u aussie too?
[09:18] <chris449> well
[09:18] <chris449> the reason i'm installing edubuntu
[09:18] <chris449> is coz i installed ubuntu dual boot with win xp
[09:19] <chris449> it worked for a couple of days
[09:19] <chris449> then i started it up one day
[09:19] <RichEd> springbok supporter, still living in home country
[09:19] <chris449> and it perpetually rebooted
[09:19] <chris449> springbok?
[09:19] <chris449> so i reinstall grub from my live cd
[09:19] <chris449> then boot to windows
[09:19] <RichEd> za - south africa
[09:19] <chris449> ah ok
[09:20] <chris449> i poke around in windows for a bit, and decide to make sure ubuntu is ok
[09:20] <chris449> reboot
[09:20] <chris449> it perpetually restarts the computer
[09:20] <chris449> so idk what to do
[09:20] <chris449> it keeps happening
[09:20] <chris449> i went through all that twice
[09:20] <chris449> gave up
[09:20] <chris449> and thought i'll just install a new distro
[09:21] <chris449> it always gets to grub loading stage 1.5
[09:21] <RichEd> brb
[09:21] <chris449> stage 1.5 is one after the MBR, when it's reading from the grub part on the rest of the harddrisk
[09:22] <RichEd> pop into #ubuntu ... there are more people there ... regarding our thread above, your question is then an ubuntu question, not an edubuntu question
[09:22] <RichEd> does that now make sense ?
[09:24] <chris449> lol yeh
[09:24] <chris449> i asked it there
[12:07] <pygi> cbx33, weee ^_^
[12:08] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[12:08] <cbx33> you sound....um....happy :p
[12:09] <cbx33> anyone here every install phpmyadmin fro mthe repos?
[12:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: yes
[12:10] <cbx33> from what I've seen in tutorals it should just be accessible via localhost/phpmyadmin
[12:10] <cbx33> but it doesnt work
[12:10] <lucasvo> you have apache working?
[12:10] <cbx33> yes
[12:10] <lucasvo> is there a phpmyadmin vhost in sites-enabled/?
[12:11] <cbx33> no
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, I ain't happy :) I was supposed to go fishing, rain ruined it :(
[12:11] <cbx33> awww sorry pygi 
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, it's not your fault, lol :)
[12:11] <cbx33> heheh
[12:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: is there one in the other sites- folder?
[12:11] <cbx33> hang on
[12:11] <lucasvo> I don't remember the name
[12:11] <cbx33> no
[12:12] <lucasvo> where is the phpmyadmin directory?
[12:12] <cbx33>  /usr/share I think
[12:12] <cbx33> i normally install from source
[12:12] <cbx33> thought I'd give the repos a try
[12:12] <cbx33> :S
[12:12] <lucasvo> just create a vhost to it
[12:24] <cbx33> thanks lucasvo 
[01:34] <highvoltage> what's the username/password for schooltool again?
[01:37] <ogra> master/schooltool ?
[01:37] <ogra> not sure 
[01:40] <highvoltage> i thought it was administrator/schooltool, but that's not working on this machine (with default install :/ )
[01:41] <ogra> hmm ...
[01:42] <ogra> localdev is working so far ... but how do i work around the moment where a user unplugs all devices at the same time ...
[01:43] <pygi> ogra, queue?
[01:43] <ogra> meh, that makes my little script so bloated
[01:44] <ogra> currently i have a 18 lines udev rule for mounting, 10 lines for unmounting and 40 lines in the user session ...
[01:44] <ogra> thats all that was needed ...
[01:44] <ogra> with a queue i think the lenght would at least double ... and make the code more complicated
[01:45] <pygi> perhaps, but it will work ^_^
[01:45] <ogra> hmm 
[01:45] <pygi> semaphor ^_^
[01:46] <ogra> but i guess i have to queue ... if the user removes an usb hub with 10 devices attached only one will be removed from the desktop
[01:46] <ogra> abart from that it works wonderful :)
[01:46] <ogra> *apart
[01:47] <pygi> :)
[01:47] <pygi> queue is not that "lots of lines" :)
[01:47] <ogra> and wasnt hard to implement ... we could have had it in dapper already
[01:47] <ogra> if i only had had that idea :)
[01:50] <ogra> hmm, and my camera is detected as floppy ... to sad 
[01:50] <ogra> but thats a kernel thing i cant fix :/ 
[01:50] <ogra> so we'll have no nifty camera icon :(
[01:51] <lucasvo> ogra: it's only with your model or in general?
[01:51] <ogra> i guess its in general ...
[01:51] <ogra> the ernel detects the SD card, nit the camera
[01:51] <ogra> *not
[01:51] <lucasvo> oh
[01:51] <pygi> ogra, patch the kernel ^_^
[01:52] <ogra> pygi, how ? the kernel can ony detect the device the cam provides
[01:53] <ogra> all non PTP cameras will expose a floppy device (sd card)
[01:53] <ogra> its an HW issue with the cam
[01:54] <ogra> i could build a huge database and make udev check for the camera model and name ... but that would slow down everything significantly
[01:54] <lucasvo> ogra: doesn't something like this already exist?
[01:54] <ogra> nope
[01:54] <ogra> you mean libgphoto ...
[01:55] <ogra> thats only for PTP
[01:55] <ogra> which we cant support at all
[01:57] <ogra> (yet)
[02:09] <pygi> ogra, or make the device give you it's manufacturer and model string ^_^
[02:09] <ogra> i have that 
[02:09] <ogra> thats not the prob
[02:13] <RichEd> hi ogra
[02:15] <ogra> pygi, that would still require a DB, to match against
[02:15] <ogra> hey RichEd 
[02:15] <RichEd> any sign of rodarvus today ?
[02:15] <RichEd> and b.t.w. did the calendar meeting update work ? the move from wed to tue ?
[02:16] <ogra> nope :)
[02:16] <ogra> but you asked before if we'd be fine with a meeting today :)
[02:17] <RichEd> okay ... we'll see if he turns up in tne next 15 mins.
[02:17] <pygi> ogra, DB right. but we get much better performance as we don't search accross entire database
[02:18] <RichEd> ogra: i'm just wrapping up with the background email for our discussion. will send in 5 mins. no need to read through, we'll all go through it together.
[02:19] <pygi> ogra, especially if we use something light as sqlite
[02:19] <ogra> RichEd, ok, fine with me :)
[02:19] <ogra> pygi, sqlite ??? on a thin client ? 
[02:21] <pygi> ogra, eh, thin client can auth devices against server
[02:23] <ogra> what for ? 
[02:23] <ogra> oh, you mean running the db on the server ... 
[02:23] <ogra> nah
[02:24] <pygi> ogra, what's the problem with it?
[02:24] <ogra> i'm just getting rid of all the server client communication madness :)
[02:24] <pygi> eh :)
[02:24] <ogra> i want everything thats related to mounting to be run by udev scripts
[02:24] <ogra> keep it as small and tiny as possible 
[02:24] <ogra> then i do a fuse export of the dir i mount the devs to ...
[02:25] <pygi> right :)
[02:25] <RichEd> hi rodarvus :) was wondering if the calendar update move from wed to tue had confused arrangements
[02:25] <ogra> in the session there runs a simple script  that monitors the mounted dir locally on the server
[02:25] <rodarvus> RichEd: sorry, I'm having problems with my computer
[02:25] <ogra> if a dev is added it links it to the desktop and puts an entry into the gtk-boomarks file
[02:25] <rodarvus> actually, right now I'm only able to boot my wifes desktop
[02:26] <ogra> as siple as it can be
[02:26] <rodarvus> and  it is... yeah, a Windows machine
[02:26] <rodarvus> *shame*
[02:27] <ogra> rodarvus, do you happen to know if Xorg has a --nolog option or something like that ? my clients eat up memory through constant writing to the log
[02:27] <rodarvus> ogra: I'd have to research
[02:27] <ogra> well, then leave it, i can research it myself
[02:27] <rodarvus> but yeah, quite likely
[02:28] <ogra> much worse is that my dmesg ringbuffer grows in ugly ways with every device i add/remove
[02:30] <lucasvo> ogra: but missing eject buttons buggers me
[02:31] <ogra> lucasvo, ??
[02:31] <ogra> you just pull out the device
[02:31] <lucasvo> ogra: about not being able to eject the device correctly
[02:31] <ogra> no need for eject buttons
[02:31] <ogra> its sync mounted
[02:31] <lucasvo> ogra: but in this case, you can't know if someone was writing to it
[02:32] <ogra> sure, you have a copy dialog from nautius or no command prompt on the console while copying
[02:32] <lucasvo> ogra: well, if I copy a 100mb file to a flashcard and I remove it.
[02:32] <RichEd> ogra & rodarvus : 5 mins. then i'll come across to ask you to join #canonical meeting
[02:32] <ogra> if you pull it during that time it will indeed be corrupted
[02:32] <rodarvus> 'k
[02:32] <lucasvo> ogra: you can't count on every app showing that it's writing to disk
[02:32] <lucasvo> for example openoffice autosave
[02:33] <ogra> but there was a clear indicator that it was copying
[02:33] <ogra> ooo indicates it
[02:33] <lucasvo> ogra: well, and you think a normal user knows that it means do not remove device?
[02:33] <ogra> yes
[02:34] <lucasvo> ogra: what if you open the gnome photo application begin to copy photos from device to desktop forget about it and remove
[02:34] <lucasvo> you will end up having only half of the data on the disk and with an already reformatted flash card
[02:34] <ogra> as he knows it on windows 
[02:34] <lucasvo> ogra: in windows there is an eject button
[02:35] <ogra> not for my floppy
[02:35] <lucasvo> ogra: I am talking about flashcards
[02:35] <lucasvo> I don't even have a floppydrive
[02:35] <ogra> i'm talking about block devices in general
[02:35] <ogra> and all win users i have seen just ignored the eject button in the notification area
[02:35] <lucasvo> yes, and windows has an eject button for block devices
[02:36] <lucasvo> ogra: well, if you have critical data you normally don't
[02:36] <ogra> which is totally fine
[02:36] <ogra> as long as its sync mounted it will write through and not buffer anything ...
[02:36] <ogra> nautilus has a copy bar that indicates its busy 
[02:36] <lucasvo> ogra: but writing takes time.
[02:37] <ogra> most other apps as well
[02:37] <ogra> i dont see any issue here, neither did the people that discussed the spec
[02:37] <lucasvo> why don't you do it?
[02:37] <ogra> why dont i do what ?
[02:37] <lucasvo> ogra: add an eject button
[02:37] <lucasvo> I showed you several cases where this feauture might be critical
[02:38] <lucasvo> ogra: even if there is one, noone has to use it
[02:38] <ogra> because that would need communication, raise the mem requirements by some MB for the client, would need patches to nautilus and other gnome stuff etc
[02:38] <lucasvo> but at least you can tell the people who lost their data that they should eject it.
[02:38] <ogra> i didnt see any cases where i would see that as valid
[02:39] <ogra> if the user unplugs while a copy dialog is in progress, its his own fault
[02:39] <lucasvo> ogra: you not only have to protect the user from the machine but also from himself
[02:39] <ogra> yes, thats why we have copy progressbars
[02:40] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know of any policy that a programm has to clearly indicate r/w operations in debian/ubuntu
[02:40] <ogra> me neither ...
[02:40] <lucasvo> to get included
[02:40] <lucasvo> ogra: so you can't count on the progressbar.
[02:40] <ogra> sure i can
[02:41] <ogra> lucasvo, if you prefer the way you outlined here, feel free to implement it
[02:41] <lucasvo> no, I'll file a bug. which you can't reject but mark as low priority...
[02:41] <lucasvo> that's fine with me
[02:41] <ogra> i will reject it anyway
[02:42] <lucasvo> are there any guidelines on how to treat bugs?
[02:42] <ogra> there surely are 
[02:43] <Petaris> lucasvo: Only if they are on the endangered speices list ;)
[02:43] <lucasvo> :P
[02:43] <RichEd> ogra & rodarvus : move across to #canonical-meeting when you are ready please
[02:44] <ogra> lucasvo, the way it gets implemented is the way ltsp.org uses it since half a year ... it didnt cause any probs there ... it will be implemented according to the spec we worked out in paris ... if you want something different, feel free to file a bug which i then mark whishlist and which will not get fixed until you send the 100s of patches for all the desktop apps
[02:45] <ogra> (and implement a network transparent hal and udev)
[02:46] <ogra> RichEd, 5mins please
[02:46] <ogra> (phone)
[02:46] <RichEd> ogra okay :)
[02:53] <Petaris> Anyone familiar with sadms?
[03:50] <bddebian> Hello
[04:02] <sunnzy13> Hi
[04:02] <sunnzy13> I have compiled a hello world program.
[04:03] <sunnzy13> But ./hello says: "bash: ./hello: Permission denied"
[04:03] <ogra> make it executable ;)
[04:03] <sunnzy13> Is the execution of programs disabled in edubuntu on terminals?
[04:03] <sunnzy13> I did.
[04:03] <ogra> chmod +x ./hello
[04:03] <sunnzy13> -rwxr-xr-x 1 z z 17701 2006-08-08 23:59 hello
[04:04] <sunnzy13> Compiled binaries are by default, executable anyway.
[04:04] <ogra> right 
[04:04] <sunnzy13> So, what's going on?
[04:04] <sunnzy13> How do I fix this?
[04:06] <rodarvus> sunnzy13: apparently you did something unusual to your system (or when you compiled this program)
[04:06] <sunnzy13> It is a fresh install.
[04:06] <rodarvus> sunnzy13: "or when you compiled this program"
[04:06] <sunnzy13> Not really.
[04:06] <rodarvus> sunnzy13: what 'ldd hello' returns/
[04:07] <sunnzy13> I tried to execute other binaries before, that I downloaded from the web
[04:07] <sunnzy13>         not a dynamic executable
[04:07] <sunnzy13> What does this mean?
[04:08] <sunnzy13> Umm
[04:09] <sunnzy13> The other binaries that I downloaded has this too.
[04:18] <rodarvus> sunnzy13: "file ./hello" returns what?
[04:24] <sunnzy13> rodarvus, hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, not stripped
[04:28] <rodarvus> sunnzy13: so, yeah, I told you there is something wrong with your file
[04:28] <rodarvus> it is not static "dynamically linked (uses shared libs)"
[04:28] <sunnzy13> So...
[04:28] <sunnzy13> What do I do?
[04:29] <rodarvus> though "ldd" says it is "not a dynamic executable"
[04:31] <sunnzy13> Ok
[04:31] <sunnzy13> So how do I fix it?
[04:33] <rodarvus> well, please keep in mind that this is surely not related to Edubuntu, so it makes very little sense to discuss it further on this irc channel :)
[04:33] <rodarvus> but I'd suggest you to redo the steps you followed to compile this problem
[04:33] <rodarvus> quite carefully
[04:33] <rodarvus> and see if the problem persists
[04:34] <sunnzy13> I think this is indeed related to Edubuntu.
[04:34] <sunnzy13> I have done this at school this morning.
[04:34] <sunnzy13> And I had trouble running other binaries that I downloaded from the net.
[04:35] <sunnzy13> It worked at school.
[04:38] <Petaris> ogra: just got AD authentication working on LTSP  :D
[04:39] <ogra> yay
[04:39] <Petaris> I used sadms
[04:39] <Petaris> http://sadms.sourceforge.net/
[04:39] <Petaris> now I just need to get mapped home folders
[04:40] <Petaris> and some how setup a default profile for the users the first time they login
[04:45] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:46] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:46] <sbalneav> Morning bddebian!
[04:56] <highvoltage> hi bddebian and sbalneav 
[04:57] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[05:20] <sunnzy13> Ok.
[05:21] <sunnzy13> It is definately Edubuntu's problem.
[05:21] <sunnzy13> I have just done the exactly the same thing to a different box
[05:21] <sunnzy13> And it worked perfectly fine.
[05:22] <sunnzy13> Maybe it has something to do with gcc on Edubuntu?
[05:27] <d2k> Hiya, is edubuntu available with a LTSP setup?
[05:28] <pygi> d2k, I mean what? :)
[05:30] <d2k> ok.. so I just read the install notes on Edubuntu, so it by default creates an LTSP server
[05:31] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:32] <ogra> sbalneav, pong (in meeting ... bb asap)
[05:32] <sbalneav> ping me 
[05:59] <RichEd> Note: Women's Day public holiday in South Africa tomorrow
[06:17] <ogra> sbalneav, ping :)
[06:18] <sbalneav> ogra: pong, in /msg
[06:28] <scribe63> greeting checking to see if anyone knows if moodle will be updated to version 1.6 any time soon
[06:28] <ogra> is it updated in debian ? 
[06:29] <ogra> then we can easily ask for it to be synced 
[06:32] <scribe63> can it added to synaptics repositories
[06:34] <ogra> if its in debian we can sync it to edgy 
[06:34] <scribe63> there is a moodle 1.6-2 in debian testing
[06:36] <scribe63> i'm using dapper which i upgraded from breezy
[06:37] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison moodle
[06:37] <ogra>     moodle | 1.6-2ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[06:37] <ogra> seems we already have it
[06:41] <scribe63> i'm using dapper can i safely use the 1.6-2 version in debian testing
[06:41] <ogra> no
[06:41] <ogra> dont use debian packages in ubuntu
[06:42] <ogra> you can ask the backports team for a backport ... file a bug that asks for it and subscribe (dont assign) the ubuntu-backports team
[06:45] <scribe63> will try that, i'm interested in exploring the LAMS module, what getting the tarball from moodle .org, is that workable
[06:46] <ogra> no idea, i never tried that 
[06:47] <ogra> but LAMS is on our feature goal list ... so i'll likely have to at some point :)
[06:48] <scribe63> thanks for your assistance
[08:27] <kai__> Hello from liverpool, am I reaching anyone?
[08:27] <rodarvus> kai__, yes
[08:27] <rodarvus> hello, btw
[08:28] <kai__> What have you been discussing?
[08:29] <kai__> btw?
[08:34] <kai__> I'm looking at edubuntu as a possible home/flexischooling tool.
[08:41] <kai__> good luck to you all and thankyou for your hard work, I'm of to cook.
[08:53] <Yagisan> !mhz
[08:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about mhz - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:53] <Yagisan> !seen mhz
[08:54] <ubotu> I last saw mhz (n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz) 19h 30m 25s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[09:53] <jryer> When I try to save as docbook in Writer, it hangs. Anyone know how to fix this?
[09:54] <Burgwork> jryer, use a better docbook editor?
[09:57] <Burgwork> jryer, seriously, what are you working on>
[09:57] <Burgwork> ?
[09:57] <pygi> hey Burgwork :)
[10:13] <jryer> burgwork, sorry went away for a while. I am working to create a manual or curriculum for our adolescent program at Save the Children here in La Paz
[10:13] <Spec> Heya - how do I make ltsp clients (in edubuntu) boot text-mode only? Do I set RUNLEVEL in lts.conf or do I do something like SCREEN_01 = something?
[10:14] <jryer> burgwork, what can you recommend?
[10:14] <Burgwork> jryer, I recommend you write docbook with an actual editor, such as bluefish
[10:15] <jryer> is it free?
[10:16] <jryer> Burgwork, will check it out.
[10:17] <Burgwork> bluefish is
[10:17] <Burgwork> package: bluefish
[10:21] <Ubuntugamer> Is there any education program to learn the musical notes for Ubuntu ???? 
[10:22] <Ubuntugamer> Is there any education program to learn the musical notes for Ubuntu ???? 
[10:22] <Burgwork> yes
[10:22] <Ubuntugamer> where can i get it ?
[10:23] <Burgwork> in the repos
[10:23] <Burgwork> search add/remove for something, the same is escaping me right now
[10:23] <Ubuntugamer> do u remember the program's name ?
[10:24] <Burgwork> no, sorry
[10:24] <Burgwork> Ubuntugamer, dig around here: http://gnomefiles.org/category.php?cat_id=1
[10:25] <crimsun> score-reading-trainer is Qt-based, I think
[11:01] <Amaranth> ogra: I got a Fedex notification from google today. :)
[11:01] <Burgwork> Amaranth, you must be a happy man
[11:02] <Amaranth> Indeed, although it's two days late. Cable guy came and took my modem yesterday.
[11:02] <Burgwork> no money?
[11:02] <Amaranth> Nope, I'm flat broke.
[11:02] <ogra> Amaranth, ouch
[11:03] <Burgwork> geez, you should have told us, some of us could have fronted you some to cover the gap
[11:03] <Amaranth> I've been staying at my grandparents so it hasn't been that much of an issue.
[11:04] <Amaranth> Now that I'm getting the money I can pay my credit card and cable, those are the only things I'm behind on.
[11:04] <Amaranth> Going to have to put a lot on the credit card, my $2400 laptop has turned into a $3000 laptop already.
[11:10] <crimsun> yeah, no kidding. Just yell already when such a situation arises.
[11:11] <crimsun> (heck, we [some]  did the same for \sh)
[11:11] <Burgwork> crimsun, you guys bailed him out?
[11:11] <crimsun> at least several people contributed, yes.
[11:12] <Burgwork> that is what the community is for
[11:13] <crimsun> indeed.
[11:13] <Burgwork> funny how we are willing to give money/stuff to people we have barely met
[11:13] <Burgwork> there are literally hundreds of studies on the uniqueness of human altruism
[11:14] <crimsun> I agree it's unique, but FLOSS is in and of itself a study in altruism.
[11:15] <Burgwork> yes, it is
[11:16] <Amaranth> yeah, i was planning on giving money when \sh was having problems then i ended up not getting my check from the school that month because i turned in my timesheet too late :P
[11:16] <Amaranth> so i went from offering to having to borrow :/
[11:17] <Amaranth> anyway, back later, have to charge my battery
[12:02] <lucasvo> where can I find that link for bigger orders on shipit: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/myrequest?
[12:02] <lucasvo> I'd like to order about 150 cds(ubuntu)