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nixternalKDE 3.5.3 going to be in Kubuntu Dapper 6.06.1?12:44
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nixternalalso, imbrandon, i am waiting patiently for "tree view"12:46
DaSkreechnixternal: Say waht?12:47
nixternalthe .1 release coming out, is it going to contain KDE 3.5.3 instead of .2?12:47
nixternal3.5.2 that is12:47
nixternaland has there been a freeze at all on getting stuff into the .1 release?12:48
DaSkreechThe what now? I've not heard of this .oh release12:48
imbrandonno ( as far as new kde )12:50
imbrandonif its not in -updates its not in .112:50
imbrandonnixternal: yes the time has past as we are days ( hours ? ) away12:51
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nixternalthank you imbrandon, now get to work on "tree view" or ......... 12:51
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nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointOneAnnouncement12:56
nixternalshould have read that first ey ;)12:56
DaSkreechAy!01:01
DaSkreechI'm confuzzled about the XFS bug Didn't Booting on XFS work in Breezy?01:03
imbrandonafaik grub dosent like xfs , so no01:10
imbrandonmight ask in -bugs or some other more specific channel01:10
imbrandontbh01:10
DaSkreechHmm what about that keyboard bug01:12
DaSkreechthat's annoying 01:12
imbrandonwhat keyboard bug, wth are you talking about , where are you getting this stuff ?01:12
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DaSkreech:-) The Kubuntu Keyboard not working bug where you have to logout to get the keyboard back01:15
imbrandoni havent seen nor heard of that , got a bug number , and again -bugs might be a better place01:15
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claydohcan anyone help me respond to this post:01:51
claydohhttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7548.001:51
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claydohor point me in the right direction01:52
claydohsummary: why there are separate repos for kde-latest amd amarok-latest01:52
crimsunbecause amarok releases aren't tied to kde releases.01:53
claydohwell the question is why they are part of Kubuntu (or look to be sponsored by Kubuntu) but are not in, say main01:54
crimsunhuh?01:55
claydohI don't know quite how to put the answer01:55
crimsunamarok /is/ part of main.01:55
claydohnot 1.401:55
claydohor kde3.50401:55
claydoh3.5.401:55
crimsunneither is kde 3.5.4.01:55
crimsunneither of those are in dapper-updates because that's what the kubuntu release process is.01:55
claydohis it safe to say thaey are unofficial?01:56
crimsunno01:56
crimsunfor instance, 'official' when used in the standard context means "only on archive.{canonical,ubuntu}.com"01:57
crimsunit is more precise to say that amarok 1.4.1* and kde 3.5.4 are not part of the dapper point release (when it is released)01:57
crimsunnote that the packages are hosted on kubuntu.org, which is itself hosted on canonical hardware.01:58
claydohok, so it is the official release process that keeps these from being in main, though they are still officially supported01:59
crimsunno, they are not officially supported01:59
claydohI understand, I just don't think I have the words to describe this01:59
crimsunusing the term 'main' is extremely particular01:59
claydohyes02:00
crimsunboth kde and amarok are in the 'main' component of kubuntu02:00
crimsunneither kde 3.5.4 nor amarok 1.4.1 are in the released kubuntu images due to upstream version freeze policy.02:00
crimsunthat last sentence is an appropriate response.02:01
claydohok thanks for the help, crimsun02:03
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Hobbseehi all05:03
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Hobbseehey cool!05:42
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Hobbseewonder why there's a regions and accessibility, and a regional and language there.05:43
Hobbseeoh.  they are different.05:43
HobbseeSime: nice work05:43
Hobbseepower management section is borked - kcm_laptop.la not found05:44
crimsunwe shouldn't be shipping .las anyway; that's definitely a bug.05:47
Hobbseecrimsun: i wonder what happened to our power stuff - that should be getting changed anyway.05:47
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Hobbseeyay, now i have an upload to main :)05:50
ajmitchHobbsee: breaking things in main again?05:53
Hobbseeajmitch: yep05:54
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kwwii_wow, the sound of silence07:43
nixternalno doubt07:48
kwwii_:-)07:48
kwwii_kinda nice for a change07:48
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Hobbseehi all09:38
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RiddellHobbsee: why no tabs in kopete?12:27
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Riddellhmm, bonjour going to get apache licence, wish they'd done that all along, would have saved everyone some bother12:35
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Riddell"amu@ubuntu.com has been removed from kubuntu-devel"  aww12:39
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HobbseeRiddell: because they're just wasting screen space, when you only have one tab open12:54
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RiddellHobbsee: but there's still tabs when you have more than one open?12:54
HobbseeRiddell: yep12:54
Hobbseegah.12:54
Riddellgroovy12:54
HobbseeRiddell: i tested that before i got it uploaded :)12:54
HobbseeRiddell: when you have more than one open, it just adds the tab bar, like you'd expect.12:55
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RiddellHobbsee: a more explanatory kick notice would be polite12:57
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HobbseeRiddell: i /queried him.  also, i used right click, as i was looking for a specific kick, which i failed on12:57
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Hobbseethat's what i was *trying* to do in the first place.  got a little lost in the menu options.12:58
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Hobbseei wonder if it's stopped autoconnecting now12:59
Hobbseeseems to have01:20
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HobbseeRiddell: this would be a bug of yours, or it's been fixed?01:39
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/5565801:39
UbugtuMalone bug 55658 in kdenetwork "Kopete installs xmms " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  01:39
RiddellHobbsee: it's not in the edgy packages, and I'm not going to remake the dapper backports01:41
HobbseeRiddell: ah, so we did get backports of it, nice.01:41
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Riddellit's in the dapper kde 3.5.4 repository01:43
HobbseeRiddell: right, sorry. 01:46
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Riddellthey're not01:46
Hobbseecome back brain!01:46
Hobbseeah01:46
RiddellI'm talking about the kubuntu.org packages01:46
Hobbseeright,k yep01:47
Hobbsee-k01:48
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HobbseeRiddell: whee.  what do you know about the powersaved/powernowd/{k,u,x}ubuntu-desktop packages?02:15
Hobbseejjesse: heya!02:17
jjessemorning02:17
jjessehiya Hobbsee02:17
Hobbseeholy cow this stuff looks broken.02:24
RiddellHobbsee: umm, what do I know in which way?02:25
HobbseeRiddell: powersaved removes kubuntu-desktop.  powersaved seems to provide powernowd, which is a dependancy of k-d02:26
Hobbseepowersaved is also in universe.02:26
Riddellit also conflicts with powernowd02:27
Riddellthis has always been the case02:28
Hobbseehang on, so how'd we get k-d installed before?02:30
Riddellk-d has never used kpowersave, it uses klaptopdaemon02:33
HobbseeRiddell: i realise that, but we had it before somehow so that you could have powersaved/kpowersave installed, and still keep k-d.  i'm more now wondering why that's changed.02:34
Riddellno, you've never been able to do that02:35
Riddellnothing has changed02:35
Hobbseebut...but...02:35
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Hobbseehmmm.02:35
insanekaneRiddell, Hobbsee: Kaffeine crashes with XMODIFIERS set (needed for SCIM usage) ... you need to use --with-xinit-workaround when configuring kaffeine to work around that problem02:40
Hobbseeinsanekane: what, at compile time?02:40
Riddellinsanekane: does it break anything if we use --with-xinit-workaround?02:43
insanekaneRiddell: so far no ..02:43
insanekaneHobbsee: in debian/rules of course :)02:43
Hobbseeinsanekane: was more of a question of "at compile time, or at run time"02:44
insanekaneRiddell: without it, one needs to do XMODIFIERS="" kaffeine (if one uses Skim/SCIM) ... and then, you can't use scim/skim within kaffeine itself02:44
insanekaneHobbsee: thats what i meant ... debian/rules == compile time02:44
Hobbseeinsanekane: true02:45
insanekaneHobbsee: :)02:45
Hobbsee:(  enough stuff already has gone wrong today :(02:45
insanekaneRiddell, Hobbsee: just giving you a heads up thats all02:45
alleeHobbsee: don't get crazy: k-d, (k)powersave can coexists in dapper ;)02:46
alleeHobbsee: AFAIR there where some dependency tricks to achieve that.  Maybe the sync now with sid removed them02:47
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Hobbseegrr.  what's i miss?02:50
Riddell13:45 <@Hobbsee> :(  enough stuff already has gone wrong today :(02:52
Riddell13:45 < insanekane> Riddell, Hobbsee: just giving you a heads up thats all02:52
Riddell13:46 < allee> Hobbsee: don't get crazy: k-d, (k)powersave can coexists in dapper ;)02:52
Riddell13:47 < allee> Hobbsee: AFAIR there where some dependency tricks to achieve that.  Maybe the sync now with sid removed them02:52
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Hobbseeah right.  quite likely02:53
Hobbseewah.  my laptop says it's 61C as the cpu temp!02:53
alleeOh, shit.  I have join/leave msg suppressed here02:53
Hobbseeand it crashed again :(02:53
Hobbseeallee: yeah, quite possibly02:53
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alleeHobbsee: go out of the sun with our laptop02:54
Hobbseeallee: it's night.  i think this laptop has gone to about 75C before.02:55
Hobbseewhee.  up to 69C02:57
Hobbsee73C02:57
Hobbsee75C02:57
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Hobbseeor it could be imsensors reading wrong, of course02:57
Hobbsee79...02:58
Hobbsee8703:01
Hobbseei wonder just *how* high this thing is going to get....03:01
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Hobbseehi bddebian 03:51
LureRiddell, Hobbsee: powersave in dapper had Conflicts/Provides/Replaces on powernowd/apmd which allowed installing it with k-d and did remove powernowd 03:53
Lureprobably latest sync with debian (requested by bddebian) dropped that change03:54
LureI can probably find some time this evening for (k)powersave03:56
HobbseeLure: tried that.  actually, i think i succeeded03:57
Hobbseeoh yes, i did.  it doesnt work well though - throws an error with dbus03:57
Hobbseethen again, powersaved wont work with the earlier kpowersave, so i could probably just stick the newer version in the archives, then fix it from there.03:58
Lureprobably access problems - I think debian has something we do not want (plugdev group or similar)03:58
HobbseeLure: quite likely03:58
Lure(I cannot recall this now from head - would need to look into)03:58
HobbseeLure: it's an easy merge, but it doesnt work nicely :P03:58
LureI think one debian patch is too much and should be dropped - the one that does the group stuff03:59
Hobbseehmmm okay.   i'll leave it to you :P03:59
Lureand kpowersave is probably fine if we just sync - all our patches were just backports from upstream03:59
bddebianHi Hobbsee04:06
seaLneany idea on this:04:09
seaLnechecking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!04:09
seaLneFor more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.04:09
seaLneMake sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!04:10
seaLnemake: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 104:10
seaLne(from pbuilder)04:10
HobbseeseaLne: installed libqt3-mt?04:11
bddebianseaLne: What's the build-dep for qt?04:11
seaLnelibqt3-compat-headers i think?04:12
HobbseeseaLne: libqt3-mt or libqt3-mt-dev, surely.  i think it's the former.04:13
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seaLnehmm wonder what changed between k3b 0.12.16 and 1.0pre104:14
seaLnemaybe its getting pulled in by one of the other build-deps04:14
Riddelllibqt3-compat-headers should pull in libqt3-mt-dev04:26
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seaLneReplaces: libqt3-mt-dev infact04:30
seaLneeven with libqt3-mt-dev it fails04:31
HobbseeseaLne: what if you axe the -dev bit?04:32
seaLnetrying that just now :)04:32
seaLnepesky students and staff keep interupting me04:32
Hobbseeheh04:32
Riddelltry looking in config.log seeing what it's failing on04:34
Riddellthat should be a test straight from the KDE standard autoconf stuff, it shouldn't be any different from any other programme04:34
jjessewow its sooo slow downloading the .1 release of 6.06 :(04:40
seaLneah is it out?  i guess i should change torrents04:42
seaLnejjesse: where?04:43
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seaLneRiddell: not seeing anything really in config.log04:51
seaLne#ifdef __cplusplus04:51
seaLneextern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit;04:51
seaLneconfigure: exit 104:51
Riddellthat can't be it04:53
Riddellthere must be a qt test in there somewhere04:54
seaLneif test "x$kde_use_qt_mt" = "xyes"04:54
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faboraphink: no time to confirm clucene/strigi sync ?04:56
raphinkfabo: clucene is not yet in ubuntu04:56
raphinkas in04:56
raphinkit's built but not on the repos yet04:56
faboah04:57
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Riddellstrigi too05:00
Luresomebody working on strigi? that would be cool!05:01
Riddellfabo is packaging it in debian, it's not synced in ubuntu but binaries sitting in NEW05:02
Luregreat05:03
Riddellguess the jono thing is public then05:06
ajmitchlooks quite public05:07
seaLne?05:07
jjesse?05:07
Riddelljono is new new jdub05:08
jjesseah is there an announcment someplace?05:09
seaLnethat was what i was wondering when you said that, tho i'd not heard anything about it05:09
Riddellhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/5305:09
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Riddellhi toma 05:24
Riddelltoma: are you updating that wiki page with the suggestions people have posted?05:24
tomahi Riddell05:24
tomaRiddell: yes, I will do that this evening or tomorrow05:25
tomaRiddell: any special reason, you're asking it?05:29
imbrandonRiddell: mattrivell announced it was announced on the fridge too ;) anyhow afk05:29
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Riddelltoma: just don't want them to get lost05:39
tomaRiddell: i've a day off tomorrow, i'll catch up. 05:41
nixternalRiddell: concerning the "Easy Sharing Printer" stuff right we listed for Knot 2, it is in Dapper..at least for me it is..however, i heard that the main difference is that "it works for everyone now"05:49
nixternalbut i thought we were trying to "showcase" an "Easy" solution, like a quick/down and dirty, click this and you are sharing05:49
Riddellnixternal: it's in dapper, dunno if it'll work or not though since it depends on changes in cups05:49
nixternalok, but so now it works in edgy though..ok..i am going to note that05:50
Riddellnixternal: oh it's in dapper KDE 3.5.4 packages05:50
nixternalbecause i was confused ;)05:50
nixternalok thats why i have it then ;)05:50
Riddellit's not in dapper itself, except the gnome-cups-manager has half the functionality05:50
nixternalyou just answered everything...that page will be ready for kubuntu.org upload when knot2 is available..i just have some tweaking left...how are the images now?05:51
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu05:51
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Riddellwhat's the problem?08:16
seaLnebug #55699 didn't help then it never actually connected08:16
UbugtuMalone bug 55699 in kdenetwork "kopete includes irc.debian.org as a freenode server" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5569908:16
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seaLnethought i'd try other clients as my colo box is down for reracking atm08:17
seaLnekonversation seems fine08:17
Riddellthey're reracking jump?08:18
seaLneyeah new rack for tfm408:18
Riddellhmm well, "my" jump box seems to still be up08:32
seaLneis it in tfm8?08:33
Riddelldunno, I thought it was in the same rack As yours08:33
RiddellseaLne: going to submit a patch for beastie 55699?08:34
imbrandonhrm Riddell i was just thinking about trying my hand at that ( creating a patch ) but i dont seer irc.debian.org in the source anywhere08:54
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~/files/devel/kopete/kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1$ ls -laR | grep -H irc.debian.org08:54
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~/files/devel/kopete/kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1$                                               08:54
imbrandons/seer/see08:54
seaLneimbrandon just finishing building package08:54
seaLnekopete/protocols/irc/ircnetworks.xml08:54
imbrandonseaLne: yea i was just doing it to "learn" a bit , i figured you would get it done first08:55
imbrandonhrm wonder why my grep dident work08:55
seaLnei learned that diff really dosen't like a directory called /kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.108:56
imbrandonhehe08:57
seaLnei guess the +? but i spent ages untill i renamed the dirs08:57
imbrandonyea most likely08:57
seaLneRiddell: do we want a standards bump in it?08:57
RiddellseaLne: sure08:59
RiddellseaLne: well, strictly speaking you should examing the changes to debian-policy and make sure it's not affected by anything08:59
seaLnewhat does that involve? it sounds long and boring :)09:00
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seaLneit sounded like reading the policy manual but i was hoping there was another way :)09:01
Riddelljust the changelog09:02
Riddellmornfall: go ahead09:02
imbrandonheya mornfall09:02
mornfallwell, vi /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz if you have debian-policy installed09:03
seaLnecool09:06
mornfallit's not *that* bad, really..09:06
RiddellseaLne: the jump box has gone down, guess we are in the same rack as you09:06
seaLnewe shutdown at 7 as requested09:06
Riddellguess we completely missed that request :)09:07
seaLnewell you got an extra hour out of uptime out of it at the risk of corrupted fs :)09:09
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Riddelllet's see how long it takes for someone to complain that their website is down09:14
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DaSkreechAnyone know about telepathy being commited to edgy?09:16
seaLnehowever i miss my email09:16
DaSkreechis it just available or is it being used for something?09:18
RiddellDaSkreech: we're implementing focus follows mind09:19
seaLnecohoba libtelepathy-dev libtelepathy0 and telepathy-gabble appear to be in edgy09:20
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seaLneapt-cache search telepathy09:21
DaSkreechI know it's there. I wanted to know if it was being used for anything09:22
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seaLnei take it other people have built stuff on edgy today?09:28
Riddellnot i09:28
seaLneits a bit strange that of the 2 things k3b and kopete i can't get either to build09:29
Riddellsame problem or different?09:29
seaLnemy level of incompetance isn't usually that bad09:29
seaLnecollect2: ld returned 1 exit status09:29
Riddelloh, evil, linker errors09:30
Riddellanything could be wrong09:30
seaLnehttp://geeksoc.org/~kd/kopete/ if you fancy a look09:32
Riddellphone call.. that's a good half hour it took them to complain the server was down09:37
imbrandonheh09:37
jjessewow, people i know would call in 5 minutes09:38
seaLneah but do they store their phonebook on the server :)09:38
imbrandonhahaha seaLne that would be me09:38
imbrandonheh09:38
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seaLneRiddell: hows kopete going?09:50
Riddellhappily compiling away09:52
seaLnemine went a fair bit before dieing09:53
omeowCould someone pastebin the output of their locales command?09:55
omeowSorry, I meant locale09:55
crimsunomeow: http://pastebin.ca/12258309:56
seaLneomeow: http://pastebin.ca/12258209:56
imbrandonhttp://pastebin.ca/12258509:56
imbrandonhahaha09:57
jjessei feel left out09:57
crimsunpastebin totally ate the leading \`\`09:57
DaSkreechhttp://pastebin.ca/12258810:00
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RiddellseaLne: kopete compiled fine10:28
omeowWhere these locale settings stored?10:46
Riddellwhich?10:47
omeowThe output from locale10:47
omeowI presume they are variables?10:48
Riddellecho $LANG10:52
omeowYes, but how do I set these variables?10:53
omeowI know exporting works, but not having done that now, where does it get this setting from?10:54
tomadpgk-reconfigure locales10:54
tomaor /etc/locale.gen i believe10:55
omeowYes, but isn't that only for root?10:55
omeowOr does that count for all users?10:55
toma.bashrc ?10:55
tomanot sure ;-)10:56
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omeowI always get these messages when I upgrade my software; 10:56
omeowqstring_to_xtp result code -210:56
omeowDESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::SpacerItem', <> line 12 during global destruction.10:56
omeowSetting LC_ALL to "en_US" stops the first warning(?), but gives errors in programs such as SVN and CVS.10:57
omeowAll these errors are cryptic beyond imagination. =/ 10:57
nixternaleasiest way to modify an index.desktop file for language translation?11:11
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omeowAnyone want to volunteer helping me test some stuff in konversation? (Need to have an IRC client that is capable of sending and receiving files.)11:48
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DaSkreechOoh ooh not me not me :)11:52

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