[12:44] <nixternal> KDE 3.5.3 going to be in Kubuntu Dapper 6.06.1?
[12:46] <nixternal> also, imbrandon, i am waiting patiently for "tree view"
[12:47] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Say waht?
[12:47] <nixternal> the .1 release coming out, is it going to contain KDE 3.5.3 instead of .2?
[12:47] <nixternal> 3.5.2 that is
[12:48] <nixternal> and has there been a freeze at all on getting stuff into the .1 release?
[12:48] <DaSkreech> The what now? I've not heard of this .oh release
[12:50] <imbrandon> no ( as far as new kde )
[12:50] <imbrandon> if its not in -updates its not in .1
[12:51] <imbrandon> nixternal: yes the time has past as we are days ( hours ? ) away
[12:51] <nixternal> thank you imbrandon, now get to work on "tree view" or ......... 
[12:56] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperPointOneAnnouncement
[12:56] <nixternal> should have read that first ey ;)
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Ay!
[01:03] <DaSkreech> I'm confuzzled about the XFS bug Didn't Booting on XFS work in Breezy?
[01:10] <imbrandon> afaik grub dosent like xfs , so no
[01:10] <imbrandon> might ask in -bugs or some other more specific channel
[01:10] <imbrandon> tbh
[01:12] <DaSkreech> Hmm what about that keyboard bug
[01:12] <DaSkreech> that's annoying 
[01:12] <imbrandon> what keyboard bug, wth are you talking about , where are you getting this stuff ?
[01:15] <DaSkreech> :-) The Kubuntu Keyboard not working bug where you have to logout to get the keyboard back
[01:15] <imbrandon> i havent seen nor heard of that , got a bug number , and again -bugs might be a better place
[01:51] <claydoh> can anyone help me respond to this post:
[01:51] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7548.0
[01:52] <claydoh> or point me in the right direction
[01:52] <claydoh> summary: why there are separate repos for kde-latest amd amarok-latest
[01:53] <crimsun> because amarok releases aren't tied to kde releases.
[01:54] <claydoh> well the question is why they are part of Kubuntu (or look to be sponsored by Kubuntu) but are not in, say main
[01:55] <crimsun> huh?
[01:55] <claydoh> I don't know quite how to put the answer
[01:55] <crimsun> amarok /is/ part of main.
[01:55] <claydoh> not 1.4
[01:55] <claydoh> or kde3.504
[01:55] <claydoh> 3.5.4
[01:55] <crimsun> neither is kde 3.5.4.
[01:55] <crimsun> neither of those are in dapper-updates because that's what the kubuntu release process is.
[01:56] <claydoh> is it safe to say thaey are unofficial?
[01:56] <crimsun> no
[01:57] <crimsun> for instance, 'official' when used in the standard context means "only on archive.{canonical,ubuntu}.com"
[01:57] <crimsun> it is more precise to say that amarok 1.4.1* and kde 3.5.4 are not part of the dapper point release (when it is released)
[01:58] <crimsun> note that the packages are hosted on kubuntu.org, which is itself hosted on canonical hardware.
[01:59] <claydoh> ok, so it is the official release process that keeps these from being in main, though they are still officially supported
[01:59] <crimsun> no, they are not officially supported
[01:59] <claydoh> I understand, I just don't think I have the words to describe this
[01:59] <crimsun> using the term 'main' is extremely particular
[02:00] <claydoh> yes
[02:00] <crimsun> both kde and amarok are in the 'main' component of kubuntu
[02:00] <crimsun> neither kde 3.5.4 nor amarok 1.4.1 are in the released kubuntu images due to upstream version freeze policy.
[02:01] <crimsun> that last sentence is an appropriate response.
[02:03] <claydoh> ok thanks for the help, crimsun
[04:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hey cool!
[05:43] <Hobbsee> wonder why there's a regions and accessibility, and a regional and language there.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> oh.  they are different.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> Sime: nice work
[05:44] <Hobbsee> power management section is borked - kcm_laptop.la not found
[05:47] <crimsun> we shouldn't be shipping .las anyway; that's definitely a bug.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i wonder what happened to our power stuff - that should be getting changed anyway.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> yay, now i have an upload to main :)
[05:53] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: breaking things in main again?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yep
[07:43] <kwwii_> wow, the sound of silence
[07:48] <nixternal> no doubt
[07:48] <kwwii_> :-)
[07:48] <kwwii_> kinda nice for a change
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why no tabs in kopete?
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, bonjour going to get apache licence, wish they'd done that all along, would have saved everyone some bother
[12:39] <Riddell> "amu@ubuntu.com has been removed from kubuntu-devel"  aww
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because they're just wasting screen space, when you only have one tab open
[12:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but there's still tabs when you have more than one open?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[12:54] <Hobbsee> gah.
[12:54] <Riddell> groovy
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i tested that before i got it uploaded :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when you have more than one open, it just adds the tab bar, like you'd expect.
[12:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: a more explanatory kick notice would be polite
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i /queried him.  also, i used right click, as i was looking for a specific kick, which i failed on
[12:58] <Hobbsee> that's what i was *trying* to do in the first place.  got a little lost in the menu options.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's stopped autoconnecting now
[01:20] <Hobbsee> seems to have
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this would be a bug of yours, or it's been fixed?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/55658
[01:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55658 in kdenetwork "Kopete installs xmms " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's not in the edgy packages, and I'm not going to remake the dapper backports
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, so we did get backports of it, nice.
[01:43] <Riddell> it's in the dapper kde 3.5.4 repository
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, sorry. 
[01:46] <Riddell> they're not
[01:46] <Hobbsee> come back brain!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:46] <Riddell> I'm talking about the kubuntu.org packages
[01:47] <Hobbsee> right,k yep
[01:48] <Hobbsee> -k
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whee.  what do you know about the powersaved/powernowd/{k,u,x}ubuntu-desktop packages?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> jjesse: heya!
[02:17] <jjesse> morning
[02:17] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> holy cow this stuff looks broken.
[02:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: umm, what do I know in which way?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: powersaved removes kubuntu-desktop.  powersaved seems to provide powernowd, which is a dependancy of k-d
[02:26] <Hobbsee> powersaved is also in universe.
[02:27] <Riddell> it also conflicts with powernowd
[02:28] <Riddell> this has always been the case
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hang on, so how'd we get k-d installed before?
[02:33] <Riddell> k-d has never used kpowersave, it uses klaptopdaemon
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i realise that, but we had it before somehow so that you could have powersaved/kpowersave installed, and still keep k-d.  i'm more now wondering why that's changed.
[02:35] <Riddell> no, you've never been able to do that
[02:35] <Riddell> nothing has changed
[02:35] <Hobbsee> but...but...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[02:40] <insanekane> Riddell, Hobbsee: Kaffeine crashes with XMODIFIERS set (needed for SCIM usage) ... you need to use --with-xinit-workaround when configuring kaffeine to work around that problem
[02:40] <Hobbsee> insanekane: what, at compile time?
[02:43] <Riddell> insanekane: does it break anything if we use --with-xinit-workaround?
[02:43] <insanekane> Riddell: so far no ..
[02:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: in debian/rules of course :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> insanekane: was more of a question of "at compile time, or at run time"
[02:44] <insanekane> Riddell: without it, one needs to do XMODIFIERS="" kaffeine (if one uses Skim/SCIM) ... and then, you can't use scim/skim within kaffeine itself
[02:44] <insanekane> Hobbsee: thats what i meant ... debian/rules == compile time
[02:45] <Hobbsee> insanekane: true
[02:45] <insanekane> Hobbsee: :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> :(  enough stuff already has gone wrong today :(
[02:45] <insanekane> Riddell, Hobbsee: just giving you a heads up thats all
[02:46] <allee> Hobbsee: don't get crazy: k-d, (k)powersave can coexists in dapper ;)
[02:47] <allee> Hobbsee: AFAIR there where some dependency tricks to achieve that.  Maybe the sync now with sid removed them
[02:50] <Hobbsee> grr.  what's i miss?
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:45 <@Hobbsee> :(  enough stuff already has gone wrong today :(
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:45 < insanekane> Riddell, Hobbsee: just giving you a heads up thats all
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:46 < allee> Hobbsee: don't get crazy: k-d, (k)powersave can coexists in dapper ;)
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:47 < allee> Hobbsee: AFAIR there where some dependency tricks to achieve that.  Maybe the sync now with sid removed them
[02:52] <Riddell> 13:50 -!- Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee]  has joined #kubuntu-devel
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ah right.  quite likely
[02:53] <Hobbsee> wah.  my laptop says it's 61C as the cpu temp!
[02:53] <allee> Oh, shit.  I have join/leave msg suppressed here
[02:53] <Hobbsee> and it crashed again :(
[02:53] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah, quite possibly
[02:54] <allee> Hobbsee: go out of the sun with our laptop
[02:55] <Hobbsee> allee: it's night.  i think this laptop has gone to about 75C before.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> whee.  up to 69C
[02:57] <Hobbsee> 73C
[02:57] <Hobbsee> 75C
[02:57] <Hobbsee> or it could be imsensors reading wrong, of course
[02:58] <Hobbsee> 79...
[03:01] <Hobbsee> 87
[03:01] <Hobbsee> i wonder just *how* high this thing is going to get....
[03:50] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:53] <Lure> Riddell, Hobbsee: powersave in dapper had Conflicts/Provides/Replaces on powernowd/apmd which allowed installing it with k-d and did remove powernowd 
[03:54] <Lure> probably latest sync with debian (requested by bddebian) dropped that change
[03:56] <Lure> I can probably find some time this evening for (k)powersave
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: tried that.  actually, i think i succeeded
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i did.  it doesnt work well though - throws an error with dbus
[03:58] <Hobbsee> then again, powersaved wont work with the earlier kpowersave, so i could probably just stick the newer version in the archives, then fix it from there.
[03:58] <Lure> probably access problems - I think debian has something we do not want (plugdev group or similar)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: quite likely
[03:58] <Lure> (I cannot recall this now from head - would need to look into)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's an easy merge, but it doesnt work nicely :P
[03:59] <Lure> I think one debian patch is too much and should be dropped - the one that does the group stuff
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay.   i'll leave it to you :P
[03:59] <Lure> and kpowersave is probably fine if we just sync - all our patches were just backports from upstream
[04:06] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:09] <seaLne> any idea on this:
[04:09] <seaLne> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:09] <seaLne> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[04:10] <seaLne> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
[04:10] <seaLne> make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[04:10] <seaLne> (from pbuilder)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> seaLne: installed libqt3-mt?
[04:11] <bddebian> seaLne: What's the build-dep for qt?
[04:12] <seaLne> libqt3-compat-headers i think?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: libqt3-mt or libqt3-mt-dev, surely.  i think it's the former.
[04:14] <seaLne> hmm wonder what changed between k3b 0.12.16 and 1.0pre1
[04:14] <seaLne> maybe its getting pulled in by one of the other build-deps
[04:26] <Riddell> libqt3-compat-headers should pull in libqt3-mt-dev
[04:30] <seaLne> Replaces: libqt3-mt-dev infact
[04:31] <seaLne> even with libqt3-mt-dev it fails
[04:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: what if you axe the -dev bit?
[04:32] <seaLne> trying that just now :)
[04:32] <seaLne> pesky students and staff keep interupting me
[04:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:34] <Riddell> try looking in config.log seeing what it's failing on
[04:34] <Riddell> that should be a test straight from the KDE standard autoconf stuff, it shouldn't be any different from any other programme
[04:40] <jjesse> wow its sooo slow downloading the .1 release of 6.06 :(
[04:42] <seaLne> ah is it out?  i guess i should change torrents
[04:43] <seaLne> jjesse: where?
[04:51] <seaLne> Riddell: not seeing anything really in config.log
[04:51] <seaLne> #ifdef __cplusplus
[04:51] <seaLne> extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit;
[04:51] <seaLne> configure: exit 1
[04:53] <Riddell> that can't be it
[04:54] <Riddell> there must be a qt test in there somewhere
[04:54] <seaLne> if test "x$kde_use_qt_mt" = "xyes"
[04:56] <fabo> raphink: no time to confirm clucene/strigi sync ?
[04:56] <raphink> fabo: clucene is not yet in ubuntu
[04:56] <raphink> as in
[04:56] <raphink> it's built but not on the repos yet
[04:57] <fabo> ah
[05:00] <Riddell> strigi too
[05:01] <Lure> somebody working on strigi? that would be cool!
[05:02] <Riddell> fabo is packaging it in debian, it's not synced in ubuntu but binaries sitting in NEW
[05:03] <Lure> great
[05:06] <Riddell> guess the jono thing is public then
[05:07] <ajmitch> looks quite public
[05:07] <seaLne> ?
[05:07] <jjesse> ?
[05:08] <Riddell> jono is new new jdub
[05:09] <jjesse> ah is there an announcment someplace?
[05:09] <seaLne> that was what i was wondering when you said that, tho i'd not heard anything about it
[05:09] <Riddell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/53
[05:24] <Riddell> hi toma 
[05:24] <Riddell> toma: are you updating that wiki page with the suggestions people have posted?
[05:24] <toma> hi Riddell
[05:25] <toma> Riddell: yes, I will do that this evening or tomorrow
[05:29] <toma> Riddell: any special reason, you're asking it?
[05:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: mattrivell announced it was announced on the fridge too ;) anyhow afk
[05:39] <Riddell> toma: just don't want them to get lost
[05:41] <toma> Riddell: i've a day off tomorrow, i'll catch up. 
[05:49] <nixternal> Riddell: concerning the "Easy Sharing Printer" stuff right we listed for Knot 2, it is in Dapper..at least for me it is..however, i heard that the main difference is that "it works for everyone now"
[05:49] <nixternal> but i thought we were trying to "showcase" an "Easy" solution, like a quick/down and dirty, click this and you are sharing
[05:49] <Riddell> nixternal: it's in dapper, dunno if it'll work or not though since it depends on changes in cups
[05:50] <nixternal> ok, but so now it works in edgy though..ok..i am going to note that
[05:50] <Riddell> nixternal: oh it's in dapper KDE 3.5.4 packages
[05:50] <nixternal> because i was confused ;)
[05:50] <nixternal> ok thats why i have it then ;)
[05:50] <Riddell> it's not in dapper itself, except the gnome-cups-manager has half the functionality
[05:51] <nixternal> you just answered everything...that page will be ready for kubuntu.org upload when knot2 is available..i just have some tweaking left...how are the images now?
[05:51] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[08:16] <Riddell> what's the problem?
[08:16] <seaLne> bug #55699 didn't help then it never actually connected
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55699 in kdenetwork "kopete includes irc.debian.org as a freenode server" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55699
[08:17] <seaLne> thought i'd try other clients as my colo box is down for reracking atm
[08:17] <seaLne> konversation seems fine
[08:18] <Riddell> they're reracking jump?
[08:18] <seaLne> yeah new rack for tfm4
[08:32] <Riddell> hmm well, "my" jump box seems to still be up
[08:33] <seaLne> is it in tfm8?
[08:33] <Riddell> dunno, I thought it was in the same rack As yours
[08:34] <Riddell> seaLne: going to submit a patch for beastie 55699?
[08:54] <imbrandon> hrm Riddell i was just thinking about trying my hand at that ( creating a patch ) but i dont seer irc.debian.org in the source anywhere
[08:54] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/kopete/kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1$ ls -laR | grep -H irc.debian.org
[08:54] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/kopete/kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1$                                               
[08:54] <imbrandon> s/seer/see
[08:54] <seaLne> imbrandon just finishing building package
[08:54] <seaLne> kopete/protocols/irc/ircnetworks.xml
[08:55] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea i was just doing it to "learn" a bit , i figured you would get it done first
[08:55] <imbrandon> hrm wonder why my grep dident work
[08:56] <seaLne> i learned that diff really dosen't like a directory called /kopete-3.5.4+kopete0.12.1
[08:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:57] <seaLne> i guess the +? but i spent ages untill i renamed the dirs
[08:57] <imbrandon> yea most likely
[08:57] <seaLne> Riddell: do we want a standards bump in it?
[08:59] <Riddell> seaLne: sure
[08:59] <Riddell> seaLne: well, strictly speaking you should examing the changes to debian-policy and make sure it's not affected by anything
[09:00] <seaLne> what does that involve? it sounds long and boring :)
[09:01] <seaLne> it sounded like reading the policy manual but i was hoping there was another way :)
[09:02] <Riddell> just the changelog
[09:02] <Riddell> mornfall: go ahead
[09:02] <imbrandon> heya mornfall
[09:03] <mornfall> well, vi /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz if you have debian-policy installed
[09:06] <seaLne> cool
[09:06] <mornfall> it's not *that* bad, really..
[09:06] <Riddell> seaLne: the jump box has gone down, guess we are in the same rack as you
[09:06] <seaLne> we shutdown at 7 as requested
[09:07] <Riddell> guess we completely missed that request :)
[09:09] <seaLne> well you got an extra hour out of uptime out of it at the risk of corrupted fs :)
[09:14] <Riddell> let's see how long it takes for someone to complain that their website is down
[09:16] <DaSkreech> Anyone know about telepathy being commited to edgy?
[09:16] <seaLne> however i miss my email
[09:18] <DaSkreech> is it just available or is it being used for something?
[09:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: we're implementing focus follows mind
[09:20] <seaLne> cohoba libtelepathy-dev libtelepathy0 and telepathy-gabble appear to be in edgy
[09:21] <seaLne> apt-cache search telepathy
[09:22] <DaSkreech> I know it's there. I wanted to know if it was being used for anything
[09:28] <seaLne> i take it other people have built stuff on edgy today?
[09:28] <Riddell> not i
[09:29] <seaLne> its a bit strange that of the 2 things k3b and kopete i can't get either to build
[09:29] <Riddell> same problem or different?
[09:29] <seaLne> my level of incompetance isn't usually that bad
[09:29] <seaLne> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[09:30] <Riddell> oh, evil, linker errors
[09:30] <Riddell> anything could be wrong
[09:32] <seaLne> http://geeksoc.org/~kd/kopete/ if you fancy a look
[09:37] <Riddell> phone call.. that's a good half hour it took them to complain the server was down
[09:37] <imbrandon> heh
[09:38] <jjesse> wow, people i know would call in 5 minutes
[09:38] <seaLne> ah but do they store their phonebook on the server :)
[09:38] <imbrandon> hahaha seaLne that would be me
[09:38] <imbrandon> heh
[09:50] <seaLne> Riddell: hows kopete going?
[09:52] <Riddell> happily compiling away
[09:53] <seaLne> mine went a fair bit before dieing
[09:55] <omeow> Could someone pastebin the output of their locales command?
[09:55] <omeow> Sorry, I meant locale
[09:56] <crimsun> omeow: http://pastebin.ca/122583
[09:56] <seaLne> omeow: http://pastebin.ca/122582
[09:56] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/122585
[09:57] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:57] <jjesse> i feel left out
[09:57] <crimsun> pastebin totally ate the leading \`\`
[10:00] <DaSkreech> http://pastebin.ca/122588
[10:28] <Riddell> seaLne: kopete compiled fine
[10:46] <omeow> Where these locale settings stored?
[10:47] <Riddell> which?
[10:47] <omeow> The output from locale
[10:48] <omeow> I presume they are variables?
[10:52] <Riddell> echo $LANG
[10:53] <omeow> Yes, but how do I set these variables?
[10:54] <omeow> I know exporting works, but not having done that now, where does it get this setting from?
[10:54] <toma> dpgk-reconfigure locales
[10:55] <toma> or /etc/locale.gen i believe
[10:55] <omeow> Yes, but isn't that only for root?
[10:55] <omeow> Or does that count for all users?
[10:55] <toma> .bashrc ?
[10:56] <toma> not sure ;-)
[10:56] <omeow> I always get these messages when I upgrade my software; 
[10:56] <omeow> qstring_to_xtp result code -2
[10:56] <omeow> DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::SpacerItem', <> line 12 during global destruction.
[10:57] <omeow> Setting LC_ALL to "en_US" stops the first warning(?), but gives errors in programs such as SVN and CVS.
[10:57] <omeow> All these errors are cryptic beyond imagination. =/ 
[11:11] <nixternal> easiest way to modify an index.desktop file for language translation?
[11:48] <omeow> Anyone want to volunteer helping me test some stuff in konversation? (Need to have an IRC client that is capable of sending and receiving files.)
[11:52] <DaSkreech> Ooh ooh not me not me :)