[12:09] <sigg3> sorry. Seems I'm still on GNOME?
[12:09] <pavel_> do: apt-get install kubuntu-desctop
[12:09] <kayleigh28> log out and then log in again and choose kde as your "session"
[12:09] <gplfighter> select kde in our login screen
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: sudo locale-gen
[12:09] <sigg3> ok, I'll try that
[12:09] <sigg3> thx
[12:09] <sigg3> :D
[12:10] <kayleigh28> :-)
[12:10] <kayleigh28> glad to help!
[12:10] <kayleigh28> Maybe now I can throw a question to the floor.....
[12:10] <kayleigh28> Has the nvidia driver issue been fixed yet under 6.06?
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> what is the issue ?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn,  en_CA.UTF-8... done, en_US.UTF-8... done, Generation complete.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> does that mean it's fixed , h3
[12:11] <kayleigh28> frequent hangs whilst using the 3d accelerated drivers
[12:11] <kayleigh28> I've been running on the vesa drivers since may
[12:12] <pavel_> what problem with nvidia driver?
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> kayleigh28: On amd64 or 386 ?
[12:12] <kayleigh28> 386
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> nvidia hasn't released any new drivers since the release of dapper
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> Maybe some of the stability problems could have been fixed in the dapper security kernels but its hard to say
[12:16] <kayleigh28> WEll I wish they'd get a move on then!
[12:17] <Hotwire> i'm using nvidia drivers fine in dapper, but i'm using amd64 so that may be the reason
[12:17] <visik7> rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2006_1_350.mp4
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> kayleigh28: which kernel are you running ? when was the last time you tried it ? - may is before the release of dapper so something may have been done prior to that
[12:18] <visik7> anyone can open it ?
[12:20] <londrox> wey
[12:20] <londrox> alguien de madrid?
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> kayleigh28: run uname -r (if you haven't tried it with 2.6.15-26 then something may have been done to fix it
[12:20] <pavel_> Is there a list of servers with different languages?
[12:20] <pavel_> Is there a list of servers with different languages?
[12:20] <pavel_> Is there a list of servers with different languages?
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> !russia
[12:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about russia - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> !rn
[12:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about rn - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:21] <pavel_> I will try ir - thanks
[12:26] <BluesKaj> !ru
[12:26] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[12:28] <pavel_> !!!!!!!!Thanks!!!!!!!!!!:)
[12:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!!!!!!Thanks!!!!!!!!!!:) - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Did that fix the locales problem ?
[12:41] <dooglus> hi #kubuntu.  I just installed kubuntu.  after a few hours the panel at the bottom disappeared.  can I get it back?
[12:41] <gplfighter> dooglus : yes
[12:41] <dooglus> how?
[12:41] <gplfighter> execute the command : kicker
[12:41] <dooglus> I have kicker running already - should I kill it?
[12:41] <gplfighter> yes
[12:42] <dooglus> chris     5115     1  0 Aug07 ?        00:00:21 kicker [kdeinit] 
[12:42] <Hawkwind> killall kicker && kicker
[12:42] <dooglus> will this happen often?
[12:42] <gplfighter> no
[12:42] <gplfighter> i've never seen it before
[12:42] <dooglus> killall kicker
[12:42] <dooglus> um...
[12:42] <gplfighter> ?
[12:43] <tomaz> hey, anyone here with trouble to compile the new k3b?
[12:43] <gplfighter> alt+f2 > konsole > killall kicker && kicker
[12:43] <dooglus> it came back for a second when I ran 'kicker'
[12:43] <tomaz> i get a checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
[12:43] <dooglus> but it's gone again.
[12:43] <gplfighter> dooglus : strange
[12:43] <gplfighter> someone with experience?
[12:43] <tomaz> but when i run sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers
[12:44] <gplfighter> cu later people of kubuntu
[12:44] <gplfighter> it is 00:44 here
[12:44] <tomaz> i get Reading Data Packages. Ok. Building dependency tree. ok. libqt3-mt is the newer version. libqt3-mt-dev is the newer version. libqt3-headers is the newer  version.
[12:44] <dooglus> no idea what time it is here
[12:44] <gplfighter> dooglus : lol
[12:44] <dooglus> the clock is on the panel which is hiding :)
[12:44] <tomaz> 19:47 in brazil. o.o
[12:44] <dooglus> it's dark out though
[12:44] <gplfighter> :-)
[12:44] <tomaz> (or 7:47 pm =P )
[12:44] <gplfighter> i know
[12:44] <dooglus> 00:44 here too
[12:44] <gplfighter> here it is the 24h format
[12:45] <gplfighter> dooglus : where?
[12:45] <dooglus> .cz
[12:45] <gplfighter> k
[12:45] <gplfighter> Praag?
[12:45] <dooglus> yes
[12:45] <gplfighter> okay
[12:46] <kristyon> since installing kubuntu dapper and kde 3.53 I cannot view some websites in konqueror correctly, such as diig.com and newsforge. also some images are blocked, any ideas?
[12:46] <gplfighter> no
[12:46] <gplfighter> i use ff
[12:46] <boolka> Can anyone tell me the name of the app that works instead of a screensaver or perhaps part of one, that shows the summary of your computer: ie.  downloads ( speed/ %)  disk space, cpu , memory.... and it shows it on full screen not like gkrellem or karamba...I saw screenshots and themes of it somewhere and cant remember the name of it
[12:46] <dooglus> maybe I need to login out and in again?
[12:46] <tomaz> kristy: have you tried to update KDE to 3.4.5?
[12:46] <tomaz> ops
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> kristyon: disable adblock I can't remember how
[12:46] <gplfighter> dooglus : you can tru
[12:46] <tomaz> 3.5.4
[12:46] <gplfighter> dooglus : you can try
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> kristyon: Its somewhere in the settings (the adblocking thing is what is stopping them working)
[12:47] <gplfighter> 3.5.4 was buggy here
[12:47] <tomaz> kristyon, go to www.kubuntu.org and update your kde to the newer version
[12:47] <tomaz> if i'm not mistaken, it's the 3.5.4
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> 3.5.4 is the only version of kde (recently) I have used which has hard locked under any distro
[12:48] <tomaz> hard locked?
[12:48] <tomaz> what do you mean by that? o.o" (brazilian user, don't know english too well =) )
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> crashed requiring power button or reset button
[12:49] <kristyon> thanks, adblocking WAS the cause!
[12:49] <tomaz> i'm using here about since the day that it was released
[12:49] <tomaz> and no crash till now.
[12:49] <tomaz> ^-^
[12:49] <tomaz> maybe is there some app that you use that's causing the crash
[12:49] <kristyon> anyone know which file contains info about whats in the systray?
[12:50] <h3sp4wn> tomaz: amarok is only kde app I use really
[12:50] <kristyon> sorry I mean where is the systray config file
[12:50] <tomaz> the only kde app that caused crashes on me was KdeSvn
[12:50] <tomaz> but since i apt-removed it , no crashes.
[12:51] <Agios> I'm not sure there is a file for the systray.  I believe apps insert there while they are executing.
[12:51] <tomaz> and me, =P , the 2 only programs that are non kde that i use is gimp, inkscape.
[12:51] <tomaz> ppl, I'm going, hugs for all. u.u'
[12:51] <Agios> or can anyway
[12:52] <kristyon> I've got a few progs running in systray that I cannot remove
[12:52] <Agios> configure that at the application level
[12:54] <kristyon> whats the applet called that I can resize my screen with?
[12:56] <kristyon> in suse You could do this with configure desktop but not here, how do I resize my display quickly?
[12:56] <aseigo> krandrtray
[12:56] <kristyon> is that the package name too?
[12:57] <kristyon> nope its not
[12:58] <kristyon> where do I find it?
[01:03] <Uncle_Rodney> how to I configure k3b to be able to burn mp3s?
[01:05] <kristyon> where do I find Krandrtray?
[01:06] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: you need to install an mp3 encoder like lame
[01:06] <aseigo> kristyon: it shoudl already be isntalled.. it's part of the kcontrol package
[01:07] <aseigo> kristyon: go to the app menu,  Run Command, then type in krandrtray and hit enter
[01:07] <aseigo> kristyon: it will appear in the system tray... and it will restart on next log in all by itself.. i usually set its systray icon to hidden (right click on the systray applet handle and select "configure systray")
[01:08] <aseigo> kristyon: that way it doesn't get in my way but is always just a click away when i need it
[01:08] <june> Hi I was wondering if there is a "better" way to install printers other than through the cups web interface
[01:09] <Hawkwind> june: systemsettings
[01:11] <Uncle_Rodney> aseigo: will apt-get install kcontrol do the trick?
[01:11] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: yep.. if you don't already have it
[01:11] <aseigo> june: the kde printer interface kicks ass
[01:11] <angasule> hmm, /etc/ld.so.conf doesn't exist, and ldconfig doesn't include /usr/local/lib , isn't that kind of broken?
[01:11] <aseigo> june: it does network scanning and supports just about any type of printing you might have, inc over samba
[01:12] <Uncle_Rodney> aseigo: "nothing to install"
[01:12] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: so you already have it =)
[01:12] <aseigo> angasule: not sure /usr/local is supposed to be in the default environment
[01:12] <aseigo> angasule: in fact, i'm pretty sure it isn't =)
[01:12] <dooglus> is there a file in my home somewhere which gets sourced when kde starts?
[01:12] <Uncle_Rodney> aseigo: K3B still cant read MP3s
[01:12] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: ah.. hehe.. i was talking to kristyon about kcontrol not you =)
[01:13] <Philip5> angasule: if ldconfig as a binary exist then it's still easy to set up
[01:13] <angasule> isn't that the point of /usr/local ? to put stuff not belonging to the distro in there? why shouldn't ldconfig check in /usr/local/lib ?
[01:13] <Uncle_Rodney> Any idea which package allows K#B to read MP3s?
[01:13] <angasule> !mp3
[01:13] <lib8264q> hello channel   can someone tell meis there i general program for transfereing files via irda with the kde desktop
[01:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:13] <aseigo> angasule: because apps needing to link against /usr/local are expected to refer to that path explicitly in their linkage?
[01:14] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: in k3b go under Settings -> Configure K3B
[01:14] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: select the Programs page
[01:15] <lib8264q> hello channel can someone tell me is there a general program for transfereing files via irda with the kde desktop
[01:15] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: you'll see all the apps it knows about... and which ones are missing. install the missing ones
[01:16] <june> also whats the cups admin password/uname
[01:16] <Uncle_Rodney> aseigo: hrmmm.... no mp3-related apps listed....
[01:16] <Hawkwind> june: Log in using the root login
[01:17] <bimberi> !cupsweb
[01:17] <ubotu> To enable the administration functions of the cups web interface - "sudo adduser cupsys shadow" then "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart". Also, see !cups
[01:19] <lib8264q> !irda
[01:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about irda - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:22] <aseigo> Uncle_Rodney: try installing lame.
[01:22] <lib8264q> can someone tell me is there a program for  general transfere of  files using  kde ?
[01:22] <lib8264q> using irda
[01:22] <aseigo> lib8264q: over irda? i think that's device specific isn't it?
[01:23] <aseigo> lib8264q: what kind of device are you trying to access via irda?
[01:23] <lib8264q> well usually pc to pc ....
[01:23] <Uncle_Rodney> aseigo: gottit working, libk3b2-mp3 was what was needed
[01:23] <aseigo> hm.. interesting they bundle it as a completely separate package.. guess they have to =)
[01:24] <lib8264q> is there not a general app for using  transfere of files  ? i cant see one  onywhere on kde
[01:24] <visik7> how can I get h264 work on rtsp ?
[01:24] <Uncle_Rodney> visik7: libxine-extracodecs
[01:25] <cplusplus> hi i need java-runtime environment for kubuntu... aptget java ?
[01:25] <Uncle_Rodney> !java
[01:25] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[01:25] <cplusplus> jre?
[01:26] <june> Hawkwind: you mean start firefox with sudo? or root/rootpassword when it prompts me? (i'm talking about using the web interface of course)
[01:26] <cplusplus> Uncle_Rodney whats the name of the package jre?
[01:26] <Uncle_Rodney> cplusplus: There's a few steps to setting up java, go to the link provided
[01:26] <june> cplusplus: its ok, you don't need to know... no one cares about java
[01:26] <june> i think its sun-something
[01:27] <mighty-d> Does anyone knows if i can share some ntfs-3g partition using nfs ??
[01:27] <ubuntu> hi
[01:28] <Philip5> mighty-d: share should work but only as read only i think
[01:28] <XVampireX> Hi
[01:28] <XVampireX> I installed XGL/Compiz and everything is so awesome!
[01:28] <mighty-d> im using fuse
[01:28] <XVampireX> Hmm
[01:28] <mighty-d> so i can write
[01:28] <XVampireX> Is this a good channel to discuss it?
[01:28] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, sorry I was away having some dinner ... yes the sudo locale-gen cmd fixed my problem...I now have KDE 3.5.4 installed , thx again :)
[01:28] <mighty-d> here is my problem, i can see my ntfs partition being shared using #showmount -e host
[01:29] <draik> XVampireX, you can discuss it here, but there are specific channels for XGL
[01:29] <XVampireX> Hehe
[01:29] <XVampireX> Anyways
[01:29] <mighty-d> but when i try to mount it i can't do it
[01:29] <XVampireX> How do I rotate the cube?
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: My knowledge of locales is a bit sketchy - which is why I asked (thought it was maybe 60% chance it would work)
[01:29] <dooglus> is there some applet I can use to see CPU load in real time on a kicker panel?
[01:29] <draik> XVampireX, try ALT+<- or ALT+->
[01:29] <XVampireX> Huh?
[01:30] <XVampireX> Ah, ok
[01:30] <draik> ALT left arrow or ALT right arrow
[01:30] <XVampireX> doesn't work
[01:30] <draik> CTRL
[01:30] <BluesKaj> draik, i tried the Xgl chat , hardly anyone actually monitors the questions in there.
[01:30] <XVampireX> Nope that doesn't work either :D
[01:31] <BluesKaj> well h3sp4wn ., you were right it worked :)
[01:31] <draik> BluesKaj, That's too bad. There should at least be a developer in that channel monitoring the questions to help others use what they have created
[01:31] <dooglus> is there a file in my home somewhere which gets sourced when kde starts?
[01:31] <draik> !XGL
[01:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:31] <Celeste> I am just on the live CD and I would need some help with the partitioning
[01:31] <XVampireX> I have Compiz installed too
[01:31] <BluesKaj> I spent 2hrs in there , ome day,draik
[01:32] <Celeste> could anyone tell me what partitons I need?
[01:32] <BluesKaj> one
[01:32] <Celeste> I have one NTFS  partition on the HD for Windows XP (Primary, bootable)
[01:32] <dooglus> Celeste: I use /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2 and /dev/hda3
[01:32] <XVampireX> draik: I have effects enabled
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> dooglus: I have got a line for .screenrc which shows cpu load 'caption always "%{= Yr}%c  %{= Y0}%-w%{= RY}%50>%n-%t%{-}%+w%{= Y0}%-38=%1` | %l"' - but I have not got it quite right
[01:32] <Celeste> there are 40 GB of Unallocated space
[01:32] <Celeste> ubuntu should get 15 GB
[01:32] <Celeste> the rest should become FAT32
[01:32] <draik> Celeste, you have to partition your drive accordingly. Be careful using QParted. Not too many happy turn outs
[01:32] <BluesKaj> no one even acknowledged my question, draik
[01:32] <dooglus> h3sp4wn: I want something for the kicker panel - I don't run screen locally, I run it only on remote machines
[01:32] <Celeste> so 15 GB windows NTFS (existing)
[01:33] <Celeste> so what partitions do I need now?
[01:33] <Celeste> do I need to create a SWAP ?
[01:33] <dooglus> Celeste: no, but it's a good idea to have a swap partition
[01:33] <Kr4t05> Celeste: How much RAM do you have?
[01:33] <Celeste> Kr4t05: 512
[01:34] <Celeste> I want to have a SWAP partition
[01:34] <Celeste> how can I tell kubuntu to use the one I create with Qtparted?
[01:34] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Then, feel free to leave about 500MB for a swap.
[01:34] <BluesKaj> 500Mb is lots for a swap
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> I would use a gb of swap with 512Mb ram
[01:34] <lib8264q> can u not use guided partitioning ? it should give you an idea
[01:34] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Are you using the installer now?
[01:34] <draik> I have a 2055MB Swap
[01:34] <Celeste> yes Kr4t05
[01:35] <draik> 3GB RAM, 2055MB Swap
[01:35] <Kr4t05> Celeste: When you click Next, it will assume the mount points of your partitions, and you can change them, if need be.
[01:35] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn, how much if ya have 1Gig
[01:35] <Celeste> ok
[01:35] <lib8264q> 3gb and your using a swap ?????????
[01:35] <Celeste> I will try it ...
[01:35] <Celeste> Can I also use cfdisk for partitioning?
[01:35] <Celeste> I like it more than Qtparted
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> BlueKaj: Probably still a gb (more than that is a bit pointless) - I would say twice the ram until the swap becomes a gb - then leave it at that
[01:36] <BluesKaj> 1gig RAM, how much swap is recomended ?
[01:36] <Celeste> Qtparted gave me errors earlier on this Laptop
[01:36] <Kr4t05> Celeste: If you want, but you can use the installer's guided partitioner, too.
[01:36] <draik> lib8264q, I have used all of my RAM and some Swap
[01:36] <Celeste> k
[01:36] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Whatever works best for you. :P
[01:36] <Celeste> Will come back in 5 mins
[01:36] <Celeste> Thank you!
[01:37] <BluesKaj> I'm using 600Mb swap , with 1 G of ram
[01:37] <lib8264q> wonders wht your  running  that takes 3gb of ram .... and a swapfile
[01:37] <Kr4t05> draik: You must be using some java apps, if all of your RAM is being munched. :P
[01:37] <Dark_Oppressor> i recently installed VisualBoyAdvance with apt-get, then qtvba with the source and make install, but now running a file in VisualBoyAdvance automatically opens it in qtvba, is there a way to tell it to stop doing that?
[01:37] <draik> Nope
[01:37] <DarkKakashi7> evening, mind anyone help a noob with some really basic installation issues?
[01:38] <draik> Kr4t05, I just had many things running at once
[01:38] <mistik1> wohoo
[01:38] <Celeste> Kr4t05: Primary or Logical for the Main Partition for kubuntu?
[01:38] <draik> DarkKakashi7, what's your issue?
[01:38] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Primary
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: If you are using loads of swap then you need more ram generally anyway
[01:38] <Kr4t05> DarkKakashi7: feel free to ask.
[01:38] <Celeste> are 15 GB ok for kubuntu ?  @ Kr4t05
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Is that bigger than 2GB? :P
[01:39] <dooglus> BluesKaj: if you have lots of RAM then you won't need so much swap
[01:39] <Celeste> yes
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Celeste: It should be fine, if you manage your packages well.
[01:39] <stummies> i have a problem I hope someone can help me with
[01:39] <DarkKakashi7> draik: i have booted kubuntu 6.06 cd i'm installing and when i get to step 3 (keyboard config) it remains in "loading state"
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Celeste: I've had mine on 13.4GB, so 15GB would be just fine. :)
[01:39] <draik> stummies, what is your problem?
[01:39] <DarkKakashi7> and never gives any option to choose from
[01:39] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn,  is it necessary to increase to 1G of swap from 600Mb ?...I have 1G of RAM
[01:39] <Celeste>      [Beginning]   [   End   ]   [ Cancel  ] 
[01:39] <dooglus> Celeste: I have ubuntu and kubuntu both on a single 3.6GB partition.  15GB is plenty
[01:39] <Celeste> where should the partition be?
[01:40] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Beginnng
[01:40] <Celeste> thx
[01:40] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Yepper.
[01:40] <Celeste> bootable?
[01:40] <Celeste> sorry I am bothering you
[01:40] <draik> DarkKakashi7, it will do that sometimes, but it will continue. Depending on your configuration, it may take a while. Also, depends on your available RAM and processor
[01:41] <Celeste> Kr4t05: does it have to be bootable?
[01:41] <stummies> my problem is i am trying to install a HP printer
[01:41] <draik> DarkKakashi7, remember, you're running on RAM and Processor, it will take a while. You're not using the hard drive while using the LiveCD
[01:41] <Ertain> Okay, this is weird.  In my /etc/fstab, my DVD+RW drive is set with the option "suid", yet I can't access it through a regular user.
[01:41] <stummies> it gives an error saying either I dont have drivers or not enough privilages
[01:41] <stummies> I verified I have drivers
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: Are you running out of ram often / ever ?
[01:41] <DarkKakashi7> my processor is an 2 Ghz AMD processor and 1Gb ram, yet it's been there for at least 10 min, is that normal?
[01:41] <dooglus> Ertain: that's not weird.  suid is nothing to do with whether regular users can access files, it's to do with whether setuid bits on dvds are honoured or not
[01:41] <BluesKaj> never noticed
[01:41] <Kr4t05> stummies: did you add yourself to the list of users able to print, when you set up the printer?
[01:42] <draik> stummies, are the driver(s) available in Linux's list?
[01:42] <exmethix> hi q all
[01:42] <visik7> I can't play this file http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/aug/wwdc_2006/m_wwdc_2006_350_ref.mov
[01:42] <visik7> anyone ?
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: I would say its fine then
[01:42] <stummies> I cannot even get it to set up the drivers correctly, this error is right after I pick it from the list
[01:42] <stummies> and yes, its is listed
[01:42] <exmethix> i have read that there is a new ati driver out now
[01:42] <Ertain> dooglus: Ah, good to know.
[01:42] <stummies> do I need to be root to install it?
[01:42] <Celeste> Could anyone tell me if the Kubuntu Partition has to be set to "bootable" in cfdisk??
[01:42] <draik> DarkKakashi7, that is not normal. You might have a bad CD if it hangs there for that long
[01:42] <exmethix> is ist possible to run xorg7.1 with it and use aiglx on a radeon 9800pro?
[01:43] <dooglus> Ertain: see "man 8 mount" to learn about the mount options
[01:43] <Kr4t05> !tell visik7 about restricted
[01:43] <visik7> Kr4t05: I've all restricted installed
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Yes, it should be bootable.
[01:43] <visik7> w32codecs included
[01:43] <visik7> no way to play it
[01:43] <visik7> with kaffeine with totem or with kmplayer
[01:43] <Kr4t05> visik7: check that page for Quick Time files.
[01:43] <visik7> with the 3 backend
[01:43] <Celeste> Kr4t05: Could you please offer me 2 more minutes time?
[01:43] <Kr4t05> visik7: There maybe a specific fix for that.
[01:43] <Celeste> I still have the SWAP to create
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Sure thing, I'm not going anywhere.
[01:44] <Celeste> :-)
[01:44] <Celeste> thank you sooo much for helping me - I would not get it done otherwise
[01:44] <exmethix> does anyone know the aiglx thing?
[01:44] <Celeste> I  must choose the Type of the Partition now (in  cfdisk)
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Right, when you create that partition, just change the type to Linux-Swap or something like... I haven't used cfdisk in ages.
[01:44] <DarkKakashi7> it's an kubuntu's original disk, mmm, guess i'll have to get another one then, thanx for the help guys d^_^
[01:44] <Celeste> what number is it?
[01:44] <Celeste> or what is the name?
[01:45] <visik7> Kr4t05: no way
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Celeste: I don't know off the top of my head. Just look for the word "swap"
[01:45] <stummies> Do I need to be root to install a printer in Kubuntu?
[01:45] <Kr4t05> visik7: Eh, no idea, m8
[01:45] <Celeste> Kr4t05: I am still doing the main partition
[01:45] <visik7> are u able to play it ?
[01:45] <Kr4t05> !tell exmethix about xgl
[01:45] <Celeste> Kr4t05: could it be Nr. 83 - Linux ?
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Yep
[01:45] <Kr4t05> Celeste: That's fine.
[01:46] <rus1> When I go in system settings and set my laptop to suspend to ram when I close the lid, it works perfectly. How can I make it do that manually - without closing the lid?
[01:46] <Celeste> Kr4t05: Now the swap ...  Primary or logical ?
[01:46] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Do you plan on having other partitions on that disc, besides the two for Kubuntu?
[01:47] <Celeste> yes ...  Kr4t05 there is already ONE existing NTFS Partition of 15 GB
[01:47] <Celeste> Kr4t05: and there will come one more  FAT32  for Data exchange
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Go with logical, just to be on the safe side. Normal ATA/IDE drives can't have more than 3 primary partitions.
[01:48] <Celeste> there are only 2 at all
[01:48] <Celeste> NTFS is primary
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Wait, let me think.
[01:48] <Celeste> Linux Kubuntu is Primary
[01:48] <Celeste> FAT32 will NOT get any operating system
[01:48] <Celeste> and the SWAP is there ...
[01:48] <DarkKakashi7> hey, guys, now that i think of it, is there a way once i have started the graphic interface to install kubuntu in text mode(command line i mean)
[01:48] <Celeste> so 4 partitions at all
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Celeste: FAT32 will still be a primary, regardless of whether or not there is an OS on it.
[01:49] <Celeste> so I *must* make the swap logical?
[01:49] <Celeste> I thought 4 primary partitions would work?
[01:49] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Make all three "major" partitions and the swap logical.
[01:49] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Normal IDE drives can't take more than 3 primary partitions.
[01:49] <Celeste> Kr4t05: The NTFS partition already got an OS on it
[01:50] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Also, it makes more sense to have your swap as a logical partition.
[01:50] <Celeste> so I won't change this partition now
[01:50] <Kr4t05> Celeste: No, look.
[01:50] <Celeste> what would happen if I would let the  NTFS partition and the Linux partition primary?
[01:50] <Ertain> I wonder if I can use the "mode=" option when mounting a UDF filesystem?
[01:50] <Celeste> then I make the SWAP logical
[01:50] <Celeste> and the FAT Primary
[01:50] <Celeste> then I have 3 primary partitions
[01:50] <Kr4t05> Celeste: You can make a logical partition, even after you have 3 primary,
[01:50] <Celeste> and 1 logical for swap
[01:51] <Celeste> so I make the FAT now
[01:51] <Celeste> and then the SWAP at the end?
[01:51] <Kr4t05> Celeste: If that's what you want. It should work,
[01:51] <Celeste> ok
[01:51] <Celeste> gimme a moment pls
[01:51] <pablo> hi every one
[01:52] <pablo> Does anybody knows who to make konversation to showme a list of all the channels in a server?
[01:52] <Kr4t05> pablo: /list
[01:53] <Celeste> What Number is FAT 32 in cfdisk??
[01:53] <akuma_> Does anyone know of a good place to find an example of a client/server connection code in linux in C++?
[01:53] <cplusplus> i need a winrar for kubuntu
[01:53] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Look along the left side of the konsole, it's along there.
[01:53] <pablo> thanks Ke4to5
[01:53] <Celeste>  0B W95 FAT32
[01:53] <Celeste>  0C W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Celeste: 0B
[01:54] <Celeste> ok
[01:54] <visik7> Kr4t05:  are u able to play it ?
[01:54] <Kr4t05> visik7: ?
[01:54] <visik7> the mov
[01:54] <Kr4t05> visik7: I haven't tried, one moment.
[01:55] <hasmademethirsty> I'm having this reoccuring problem that really got to figure out... here's my pastbin  ...  http://pastebin.ca/121381
[01:55] <Celeste> Kr4t05:  now the logical SWAP ... can It be too big??  Is it OK when I make a 1024 MB big SWAP ?
[01:55] <Kr4t05> visik7: I wouldn't be able to play it right now, anyway. This is a fresh install of Kubuntu.
[01:55] <visik7> mmm
[01:55] <visik7> ok
[01:55] <Kr4t05> Celeste: That's plenty.
[01:55] <Celeste> plenty is good or bad?
[01:55] <visik7> let me know if you'll be able to play it
[01:55] <Celeste> I have that much free space
[01:56] <Celeste> so if it is good I will use it
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Celeste: It depends on what you plan to do.
[01:56] <Ertain> cplusplus: Download "rar" (choose it in Adept) and use Ark.
[01:56] <Celeste> big graphic works
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Celeste: If you have that much left, use it.
[01:56] <Celeste> k
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Celeste: If you're doing graphics and such, it can't hurt to have a big SWAP.
[01:56] <cplusplus> ark ok
[01:57] <iamthedj> Anyone know of a good website that has an example of the nessesary commands for client/server type app? (Just need to connect together and pass data back and forth).
[01:58] <Ertain> cplusplus: Or more conversely, choose "unrar" in Adept.  (Use the "free" one. ;-)
[01:58] <cplusplus> ark is not in my PATH
[01:58] <cplusplus> hm
[01:59] <soulrider> hi
[01:59] <draik> Hi soulrider
[01:59] <soulrider> hi
[01:59] <soulrider> damn kopete, crashes everytime i open it
[01:59] <Celeste> Kr4t05: http://sial.org/pbot/18832
[01:59] <Ertain> cplusplus: Do you have Ark, first of all?  Have you installed it?
[01:59] <Celeste> Kr4t05: is this OK to be written and used?
[01:59] <cplusplus> yes
[01:59] <cplusplus> its installed
[02:00] <draik> soulrider, I couldn't connect last night or early this morning... turns out the cable wasn't plugged in all the way
[02:00] <Ertain> cplusplus: Okay, try finding it with "whereis ark".
[02:00] <cplusplus> i installed unrar
[02:00] <cplusplus> now its working;)
[02:01] <Ertain> Hooray. :-)
[02:02] <Kr4t05> Celeste: sorry, I was AFK, what was that?
[02:02] <soulrider> lol
[02:02] <soulrider> draik: happens to me
[02:02] <Celeste> Kr4t05: thats the cfdisk output
[02:02] <Celeste> Kr4t05: http://sial.org/pbot/18832
[02:03] <Celeste> Kr4t05: can I use it like that?
[02:03] <Ertain> So on a mounting directory, to view it or change it, the permissions of the directory have to bet set at mount time?  Or can they already be set before mounting?
[02:03] <draik> soulrider, I have an old laptop... it's running Kubuntu. Primarily for Kopete, but also to be on certain channels that interest me
[02:03] <Kr4t05> Celeste: That's fine.
[02:03] <Celeste> Great!
[02:03] <Celeste> Thank you very, very, veeerryyyy much Kr4t05 :-)
[02:04] <Celeste> Kr4t05: I will install it now - so AFK for a while (or until the next problem)
[02:04] <Kr4t05> Celeste: Be sure to [Write]  the partitions.
[02:04] <Celeste> yeppers
[02:04] <soulrider> i cant even open kopete
[02:04] <soulrider> it just crashes
[02:04] <soulrider> im gonan restart and see what happens
[02:05] <iamthedj> lol why do people use the typical windows resolution for problems? (i.e. soulrider) lol
[02:05] <visik7> sometimes works also in linux
[02:05] <soulrider> kk, lets see3 what happens now
[02:05] <DonL> Just thought I'd pop in. I'm downloading Kubuntu right now. I have a friend who's Windows just died, and I figured that KDE is easier to move to than Gnome from Windows.
[02:05] <soulrider> crash! ^_^
[02:06] <iamthedj> soul if that doesnt work, just delete your settingggs files
[02:06] <iamthedj> soulrider delete your settings files, they were probably corrupted
[02:06] <soulrider> uhm.. whera er they stored?
[02:06] <soulrider> or somethign like that
[02:06] <iamthedj> ~/.kopete I would imagine, or similar, maybe in ~/.kde/share/apps or similar
[02:06] <iamthedj> dont remember offhand
[02:08] <iamthedj> in my experiance, if a previously working linux app fails to start, its usually the settings files, KTorrent does this to me on occasion
[02:08] <soulrider> i found out
[02:08] <soulrider> that friggin ktorrent
[02:08] <soulrider> isnt yupdated int he repos
[02:08] <Kr4t05> DonL: If your friend is the type who likes nifty GUI effects then, he'll love KDE+XGL/compiz.
[02:08] <Kr4t05> soulrider: apt-get install azureus :)
[02:08] <iamthedj> XGL is BAD!!!!!!!!!
[02:09] <soulrider> i hate azureus
[02:09] <Kr4t05> iamthedj: And you say this because...?
[02:09] <DonL> Kr4t05, not sure her pc is up to it.
[02:09] <iamthedj> I develop OpenGL apps and most of them dont work in XGL
[02:09] <soulrider> i deleted somehtign, wasnt my config
[02:09] <soulrider> but now kopete works :P
[02:09] <Kr4t05> iamthedj: Use a wrapper script.
[02:09] <soulrider> wait
[02:09] <soulrider> it just crashed
[02:09] <soulrider> i think its msn
[02:09] <draik> msn sux
[02:10] <draik> I get logon issues with them all the time
[02:10] <Kr4t05> Lets not get into a flame war.
[02:10] <DonL> draik, is amsn any better?
[02:10] <Kr4t05> DonL: What kind of hard ware does she have?
[02:10] <draik> and then I can't even log back in for a while
[02:11] <Kr4t05> CPU, RAM, and GFX,
[02:11] <iamthedj> soulrider have  you tried gaim? I hate kopete, love gaim, you should give it a shot
[02:11] <DonL> Kr4t05, not sure. I work with her and she lives a few km's from here, so I haven't seen it. If I ask her, she won't know.
[02:11] <Kr4t05> Hrm... Okay.
[02:11] <soulrider> i have
[02:12] <soulrider> in windos actually
[02:12] <soulrider> bu i prefer kopete
[02:12] <Kr4t05> You may want to help her out with the driver installation. If she doesn't know which GFX chipset she has, it could be a problem.
[02:12] <iamthedj> soulrider gaim in windows is buggy, have you tried it in nix?
[02:12] <soulrider> not yet
[02:12] <DonL> Kr4t05, maybe I'll have to take a few versions there, and use the one that works. She doesn't know anything about hardware. Told me she just wants something that works. Not sure if she's a candidate for linux or not, but she sure is sick of viruses.
[02:13] <soulrider> hang on, ill talk when commercials come
[02:13] <soulrider> medium is on :P
[02:13] <soulrider> kk, commercials
[02:13] <soulrider> i havnt tried GAIm in linux yet
[02:13] <soulrider> i used it for a while in windows
[02:14] <soulrider> i liked it but dunno.... it felt like it wa pretty demanding for an IM app
[02:14] <soulrider> ii think i might use Miranda IM
[02:14] <DonL> soulrider, I've got it but my son is the only one that uses it when he has friends over. He says it's not as cool as msn in windows, but it works, and has never crashed.
[02:15] <iamthedj> well gaim sometimes gets code contributions from the guys that work on Trillian, helping to get aim and msn, etc.., services running when a new update to the service breaks and such
[02:15] <soulrider> i dont like msn in windows lol
[02:15] <soulrider> its so slow
[02:15] <jim> hello, i am new to this (just learning) but i just downloaded slib.tar.bz2, how do i install it?
[02:15] <soulrider> icon set ?
[02:15] <iamthedj> jim: what is it?
[02:15] <soulrider> i just purged kopete
[02:15] <soulrider> ill reinsatll it
[02:15] <jim> my mistake it is slibo.tar.bz2 it is a chess game
[02:16] <iamthedj> jim: the normal way to install something, assuming thats a source code tarball is unpack it and type ./configure && make && make install
[02:16] <soulrider> how can i know what the version of an app in the repos is via CLI ?
[02:17] <iamthedj> jim: you will probably need to sudo that
[02:17] <iamthedj> for the make install to have proper permissions
[02:18] <iamthedj> jim: normally you want to look for the .deb  packages so you can just right click them and install in seconds
[02:18] <jim> i just opened terminal and typed sudo ./configure && make && install and it returned ./configure command not found
[02:19] <iamthedj> you need to be in the source folder of the package you extracted
[02:19] <Hawkwind> jim: That means there is no configure script
[02:19] <Hawkwind> jim: Or you need to be in the correct directory
[02:19] <ro3> i notice on such sites as kdelook they have themes for kde , how would i install one of those
[02:19] <iamthedj> it might not be a source package either, there is usually a read me of sorts telling you what you need to do
[02:19] <Kr4t05> jim: Always 'dir' and see, first.
[02:20] <DonL> Off to make dinner. Nice chatting, folks!
[02:20] <soulrider> its msn whats crashing kopete
[02:21] <vigilant_> :)
[02:22] <iamthedj> trying to find a good client/server basic C++ example, just needs to establish a connection between two apps and send data between them, anyone know of a good website for this?
[02:23] <Kr4t05> iamthedj: www.pastebin.ca?
[02:25] <Celeste> Kr4t05?
[02:25] <ro3> how to i get tranaparency in kde
[02:26] <Celeste> Kr4t05: The Kubuntu installer did not like what I made with "cfdisk"  (unknown type errors)  so I had to create it again with the QTParted program that came up with the installer
[02:26] <Celeste> Kr4t05: there is just one question:
[02:26] <Celeste> Kr4t05: how can I make a partition BOOTABLE in Qtparted?
[02:28] <zanoni> bonjour/bonsoir
[02:29] <HaDeS> wenas
[02:29] <ro3> HELLO!!!!
[02:29] <ro3> how to i get tranaparency in kde
[02:29] <Celeste> Can anyone tell me how to make a partiton *bootable*  in QTparted (in the installer)
[02:29] <HaDeS> :P
[02:30] <DrBair> ro3: you need to use a composite manager of some sort
[02:30] <DrBair> ro3: unless you are using XGL, there aren't any good options
[02:31] <DrBair> ro3: although xcompmgr isn't bad with nvidia cards
[02:31] <bcron> Celeste: I don't have that installed but why not make your partitions with QT and when you are done toggle the bootable flag in cfdisk?
[02:34] <HaDeS> .
[02:34] <lens_> http://pastebin.ca/121381 <---- some one look at this for me, I would appreciate it.
[02:34] <lens_> *can someone*
[02:35] <Kr4t05> lens_: sudo
[02:35] <lens_> just sudo make?
[02:35] <Kr4t05> lens_: yep
[02:35] <lens_> awesome, thanks!
[02:35] <Lynucs_Newbie> Hello
[02:36] <lens_> it's funny how the hardest problems have the easiest answers. :^)
[02:36] <Kr4t05> lens_: make sure you apt-get build-essential
[02:36] <lens_> ok, I knew enough to do that part.
[02:37] <lens_> man, I have like 10 apps I've been to install, I know what I'm doing tonight, .. staying up till 2am or something lol.
[02:37] <Kr4t05> lens_: Are you sure you can't get them from the repos, or as .deb?
[02:38] <lens_> KR4t05... I'm quite certain I tried that, but it wouldn't hurt to double check.
[02:43] <cwraig> !mirror
[02:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[02:43] <lens_> Kr4t05... still won't compile :^(
[02:47] <Sanne> lens: also check on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:47] <lens_> ok thanks.
[02:47] <Sanne> lens: what packages do you need to install?
[02:47] <damian_> !linux-sucks
[02:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about linux-sucks - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:48] <lens_> sanne, there's like 10 of them, it's artiificial intellegence programs.
[02:49] <Sanne> lens: oh, sounds special :) But check nevertheless, just to be sure.
[02:49] <lens_> k I am :)
[02:49] <Sanne> :)
[02:53] <Sanne> lens: other than that, your make error might be some inkompatibility between your compiler version and the sources, maybe some now gcc version is more picky abotu some error. I would try a different gcc, if applicable, or, if this doesn't help, ask the developers for this program for help.
[02:53] <sophie_> hello all have wquick how do configure arts do work properly with firefox
[02:53] <Sanne> lens: you can install several compiler version in parallel (in case you don't know)
[02:56] <Ireclan> More printing difficulties.
[02:57] <soulrider> edgy is listed there, is ti available for downlaod already ?
[02:57] <Ireclan> I managed to get the driver for my printer to install, but when it prints, any graphics which have text laid over it results in a big white box around the text.
[02:58] <Ireclan> Is it a driver problem?
[02:58] <Ireclan> Also, images are not being printed in the right spots on the page.
[02:59] <Ireclan> I tried all other drivers available for my model. All produce the same problem.
[02:59] <Sanne> soulrider: I think you can try the developer verions of edgy already
[02:59] <vigilant_> help!
[03:00] <vigilant_> how do i make my kubuntu let me play my favourite game (blood bowl) which is running on a java 1.4.2 platform?
[03:01] <vigilant_> i ran adept
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> vigilant_: What package did you install?
[03:01] <vigilant_> but when i tried to install the java support it crashed
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try apt-getting the package.
[03:02] <vigilant_> cheeseburger: i tried to install a package sun java5
[03:02] <vigilant_> i looked at the details and it looked like sun asking me if i accepted their licence agreement
[03:02] <vigilant_> but there was no ok button
[03:02] <plugs> If i buy a new hard drive and install kubuntu the same way i did on my current hard drive, will i be able to just take the entire contents of the current hard drive and overwrite the other drive with them and have it work the same?
[03:03] <vigilant_> how do i apt-get a package?
[03:03] <Ireclan> Seriously, though, is there another driver I should try?
[03:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> vigilant_: sudo apt-get install <package>
[03:03] <vigilant_> oh
[03:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> plugs: I don't see why not, if you can get the bootloader working.
[03:03] <vigilant_> what does it do?
[03:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> vigilant_: It installes the package from the command-line
[03:04] <vigilant_> aha
[03:04] <soulrider> vigilant_: you got a link fr that game
[03:04] <soulrider> or screenshots?
[03:04] <plugs> score.
[03:04] <vigilant_> www.fumbbl.com
[03:04] <vigilant_> its a board game
[03:05] <plugs> there arent any secret system files that wouldnt get copied or anything?
[03:05] <vigilant_> kind of like .. hmm.. american football, with dwarfs and elves
[03:05] <vigilant_> and blood!
[03:05] <vigilant_> lots of it
[03:05] <vigilant_> seriously fun
[03:05] <vigilant_> im so glad it works in linux XD
[03:06] <vigilant_> this is my first day with kubunt and im never going back to windows!
[03:06] <Dasnipa`> lol
[03:06] <vigilant_> kubuntu
[03:06] <Dasnipa`> amen
[03:06] <vigilant_> seriously its so cool
[03:06] <Dark_Oppressor> when i run screensavers that are supposed to use a capture of my desktop, they show some generic image of a monitor with a flame, how do i fix this?
[03:06] <vigilant_> im gonna be a missionary
[03:06] <Dasnipa`> Dark_Oppressor, its a setting in the screensavers
[03:07] <soulrider> vigilant_: i installed it less than a week ago
[03:07] <Dasnipa`> something like screen capture or something
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> vigilant_: http://shipit.kubuntu.org/ <-- People are more likely to take a professional looking CD than a home-burnt one with 'Kubuntu' scrawled on it. :)
[03:07] <soulrider> and im completelly in lvoe with it already
[03:07] <vigilant_> hehehe
[03:07] <vigilant_> cheeseburgerman: I got one of those cool cds
[03:07] <vigilant_> from a buddy who had them
[03:07] <soulrider> i think im gonna order one
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah. :)
[03:07] <vigilant_> both flavours ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:07] <soulrider> cool
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> I apt-get upgraded from Breezy. :)
[03:07] <vigilant_> the ubuntu cd i forgot somewhere so went with kubuntu
[03:08] <Dark_Oppressor> Dasnipa`: i know, i have the grab desktop image setting enabled in such screensavers, but they still dont use my desktop
[03:08] <Dasnipa`> hrms
[03:08] <Ireclan> Anyone here have an HP Deskjet 832C?
[03:09] <Ireclan> Printer, that is.
[03:09] <BluesKaj> <---hp deskjet 3520
[03:10] <adam_> Anyone here get the i810 video driver to work on an ASUS mobo? Mine crashes on shutdown/logout.
[03:10] <larson9999> i wonder if someone here has time to test something for me.  i used kubuntu for a while but kept encountering to many quirky things for my taste(i like the distro tons but for my particular system things just seemed off)  well, one of the things that was quirky on ubuntu is that paulharvey.com could only play until 10:40 and then shut down.  i'm now using fc5 and don't have the problem.  i had someone test this in kubuntu to verify
[03:10] <larson9999>  it when i got the error.  i wonder if someone would test it again and see if it's still and issue in kubuntu paulharvey.com the monday noon will do
[03:11] <soulrider> who of you ordered kubuntu CD's?
[03:11] <Ireclan> Me.
[03:11] <Ireclan> 5 Kubuntu, 5 Ubuntu.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu hates Paul Harvey :)
[03:11] <larson9999> errrr, what happened to the rest?  oh well.  would someone mind seeing if the monday noon audio of paulharvey.com works to completion?
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: I'm playing it, but I don't think I have the wma codec installed.
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> reword: Trying to play it
[03:12] <soulrider> is safe right?
[03:12] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: it takes about 10 seconds to start here
[03:12] <soulrider> and i know they wont charge anything... right?
[03:12] <soulrider> adnw hata bout privacy?
[03:12] <soulrider> i never ordered anything :P
[03:12] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: but you need the codec it's wmv
[03:12] <damian_> has anyone tried to send data to /dev/dsp?
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Well, I'm also downloading updates to Kubuntu, and was streaming other stuff.
[03:13] <Ireclan> Kubuntu is safe, soulrider. Trust me.
[03:13] <os2mac_> famous last words
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> soulrider: if you're worried, then download the ISO and burn it yourself.
[03:13] <damian_> soulrider: Ubuntu charges $5 per package you download
[03:13] <Ireclan> They charge NOTHING. Not a cent.
[03:13] <larson9999> Ireclan: that's what all the identity theives say
[03:14] <Ireclan> But I'm no identity theif, you see.
[03:14] <Ireclan> Just a frustrated Kubuntu user.
[03:14] <Ireclan> Who REALLY wishes his printer would work.
[03:15] <larson9999> Ireclan: bummer no printer
[03:15] <jott> damian_: what do you want to do with /dev/dsp ?
[03:15] <larson9999> what kind of printer?
[03:15] <Ireclan> HP DeskJet 832C
[03:15] <larson9999> Ireclan: hmmm, i've always had success wih hp. but i always use laser
[03:16] <larson9999> Ireclan: network printer?
[03:16] <damian_> jott: send data to /dev/dsp
[03:16] <damian_> it makes a sound
[03:16] <damian_> it sounds cool
[03:16] <damian_> lol
[03:16] <jott> damian_: right.. its a raw streaming device
[03:16] <Ireclan> The driver for it installed after I did the magic "cleanup" command from Konsole, but it is not printing things correctly.
[03:16] <damian_> i just thought that was interesting
[03:16] <Sanne> Ireclan: in casr youdidn't check this already: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_832C
[03:16] <os2mac> Ireclan... it's all free... not a cent. and even the stamped CD's are free
[03:17] <jott> damian_: you have to provide data with correct samplerate/bit depth to it
[03:17] <Ireclan> Yes, I know, os2mac.
[03:17] <soulrider> i think im gonna order a CD :P
[03:17] <jott> damian_: you could ofcorse also do something like dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp ;)
[03:17] <larson9999> the ship it thing is what i like about *ubuntu.  well the idea that they'd do that.
[03:18] <os2mac> Ireclan I have a photosmart printer and use it just fine...
[03:18] <os2mac> matter of fact I am even using it as a remote printer.
[03:18] <Kr4t05> jott: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is more fun.
[03:18] <larson9999> Ireclan: not printing correctly?  is it pixelating the printouts?
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Funny, I like that I can just download and burn my own Linux CD in a couple hours max, and not have to wait days for it to ship.
[03:18] <soulrider> where do they get the money to ship stuff from ?
[03:19] <os2mac> donations.
[03:19] <jott> Kr4t05: too much pipes ;) its like   cat bla.diff | patch ;)
[03:19] <damian_> whatis urandom
[03:19] <damian_> is that a random number generator
[03:19] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: you must have missed where i said or that they'd do that.  the idea that a distro would even ship for free is awesome.  i haven't ordered a cd because i don't need one.  but if i were stuck on dialup that would rock.
[03:20] <Kr4t05> damian_: something of the sort.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> never say never
[03:20] <os2mac> everytime a new version comes out I order 5 and give them away....
[03:20] <jott> damian_: pseudo random .. really pseudo ;)
[03:20] <soulrider> lol
[03:20] <Ireclan> No. Any text is printed inside a white box, even if it is overlaid by an imagge.
[03:20] <soulrider> i convicned a friend to isnatll dapper :)
[03:20] <Ireclan> *Image.
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Yeah, the idea is good, I just wouldn't want any distro to only offer that.
[03:21] <Boxy_Brown> anyone have a few minutes to help with the dreaded bcm4318 network card?
[03:21] <Ireclan> Also, parts of images are not printed.
[03:21] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: i don't think we're in danger of free CDs being the only method of installing any distro
[03:22] <larson9999> Ireclan: sounds to me like the driver is wrong.
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Me neither, but if you ever find one, let me know so I can email the guy(s) doing it. ;)
[03:22] <Ireclan> This is using any driver for my model of printer.
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Boxy_Brown: I can try. I've got one of those cards.
[03:22] <Ireclan> Should I use a driver from a different model?
[03:23] <Ireclan> Or should I download HPs' official driver?
[03:23] <larson9999> Ireclan: huh.  i had similar issues a long time ago with a printer.  i finally found a driver that worked.
[03:23] <larson9999> Ireclan: if hp has a driver, i'd try that first.
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> Boxy_Brown: Hold on while I find the link which helped me.
[03:24] <BluesKaj> that driver is listed in the hardware section of printer setup
[03:24] <jott> Ireclan: check http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[03:24] <Ireclan> I just looked.....HPs' driver is the same as the one I currently have installed.
[03:24] <BluesKaj> I've seen it , since I was looking for a driver in the list HP Deskjet 3520
[03:26] <Ireclan> Would you guys/gals like to know what I'm trying to print?
[03:26] <Ireclan> KDE Application Handbooks.
[03:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> Congrats on (at least trying to) read the docs. That's more than I usually do. :P
[03:27] <Ireclan> I'm trying to learn all about the OS before I start screwing with it, you see...
[03:27] <jott> Ireclan: section: how to setup a printer? ;) scnr
[03:28] <Ireclan> Are their online versions of the Application Handbooks?
[03:28] <jott> Ireclan: what model you have? take a look at the http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi and check your printer..
[03:28] <Ireclan> *there
[03:30] <Ireclan> errrrm........
 Are their online versions of the Application Handbooks?
[03:30] <Sanne> Ireclan: for KDE apps, this might help: http://kde.org/documentation/
[03:32] <Sanne> Ireclan: for Kubuntu, try this: http://kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ireclan: Or maybe khelpcenter
[03:32] <BluesKaj> Ireclan, are you using the hpijs printer driver ?
[03:33] <Ireclan> Yep.
[03:33] <Ireclan> Exactly.
[03:33] <Ireclan> So, should I just try a driver until one works, regardless of model?
[03:34] <mistik1> wireless?
[03:34] <BluesKaj> hmmm, it works ok for me but my printer's  on a windows network and I finally made kubuntu able to print to it
[03:34] <BluesKaj> no , use HP drivers
[03:34] <mistik1> Boxy_Brown: You get your card fixed?
[03:35] <Boxy_Brown> nope
[03:36] <mistik1> Boxy_Brown: this is for the wireless card right?
[03:36] <Boxy_Brown> I'm using the bcm43xx driver, and I can configure the card and see networks, just can't connect to any
[03:36] <Boxy_Brown> yeah
[03:36] <Boxy_Brown> encryption or otherwise
[03:36] <mistik1> ok,  gimmie a few minutes to setup myself, too hot in here
[03:37] <driz> hi i need to remove wine completely from my computer and all the programs that i installed using it?
[03:38] <driz> I tried #weinehq but no one is helping
[03:38] <BluesKaj> good luck driz , I tried but it sticks like shit to a blanket
[03:38] <tobias_> how do i make kubuntu overwrite files from a zip archive?
[03:39] <tobias_> I got this folder with my java game in it, version 8.3, to update it i need to unpack a zip file into the folder and overwrite the files that are in the updated archive
[03:39] <driz> BluesKaj: LMAO wow that sucks man, i want it OUT!!!
[03:39] <Jucato> driz: you can try this: go to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows and run "wine uninstall.exe" to uninstall whatever you have installed through wine
[03:40] <jott> tobias_: ark should do fine there...
[03:40] <BluesKaj> yeah driz, I tried dumping it with synaptic and adept as well as rm cmds ...no luck
[03:40] <XVampireX> Is there any decent system load graph like in gnome on KDE?
[03:40] <Jucato> driz: or you could just uninstall wine, the just delete the whole ~/.wine thing
[03:40] <XVampireX> not ksysguard, something else, less techy :P
[03:41] <tobias_> jott: I am using ark
[03:41] <jott> tobias_: and extract does not let you overwrite?
[03:41] <tobias_> jott: it says it found the same files in the directory as i was trying to unpack so it doesnt bother unpacking them
[03:41] <Jucato> XVampireX: how about the System Monitor kicker applet?
[03:41] <tobias_> jott: nope
[03:41] <driz> Jucato: is that annoying folder still going to be in my application's bar
[03:42] <tobias_> is it something i should do in a settings thing on ark?
[03:42] <XVampireX> Jucato where?
[03:42] <Jucato> applications bar? you mean K Menu? You can delete it manually if it sticks...
[03:42] <mistik1> Boxy_Brown: Here is the thing, I never got the bcm43xx driver to work at all on several boxes I tried, however using ndiswrapper worked flawlessly, care to try ndiswrapper?
[03:42] <damian_> ksysguard is techy?
[03:42] <Jucato> XVampireX: Kicker (KDE Panel), right click on the panel > Add Applet to Panel > System Monitor
[03:42] <XVampireX> Jucato: I don't see system monitor :P
[03:43] <Jucato> er...
[03:43] <Jucato> wait
[03:43] <olen> hello all
[03:43] <Jucato> sorry
[03:43] <Jucato> system guard...
[03:43] <tobias_> :)
[03:43] <XVampireX> That's something I want to avoid :D
[03:43] <jott> tobias_: go to settings and activate "overwrite"
[03:43] <tobias_> jott; thanx!
[03:43] <Jucato> XVampireX: try it first. it's a graphical Panel applet
[03:44] <jott> tobias_: so settings -> configure ark -> extraction -> overwrite files
[03:44] <XVampireX> Jucato: I know, I messed it up though...
[03:44] <Jucato> er...
[03:44] <Jucato>  @_@
[03:44] <XVampireX> Jucato: I removed the 2 panels, I didn't need 2 panels
[03:44] <tobias_> jott: it worked
[03:44] <tobias_> :D
[03:44] <XVampireX> And it looked really bad on the eyes
[03:44] <XVampireX> Sorry :P
[03:44] <Jucato> ok...
[03:45] <tobias_> soon i will be smashing my friends heads on the field of blood bowl!
[03:45] <Jucato> XVampireX: how about installing KSensors? it runs in the system tray
[03:45] <XVampireX> Oh, yeah
[03:45] <XVampireX> Where is it?
[03:45] <Jucato> hmm... let me check
[03:45] <Jucato> XVampireX: universe repos
[03:45] <mistik1> Boxy_Brown: ping
[03:45] <XVampireX> ksensors package?
[03:46] <Jucato> that's the name
[03:46] <XVampireX> Thanks ^_^
[03:46] <Jucato> it's also going to install lm-sensors, btw
[03:46] <Jucato> but KSensor is less "pretty" than System Guard
[03:47] <XVampireX> Yeah
[03:47] <XVampireX> We'll see
[03:47] <Ireclan> What do you know, it's Jucato.
[03:47] <Jucato> it's one of the default utilities installed in MEPIS that I liked :-D
[03:48] <tobias_> jott: i was wrong it didnt work, i got a strange error from the unpacking program
[03:49] <jott> XVampireX: install kicker-applets and use system monitor its just simple bargraphs without history ;)
[03:49] <jott> tobias_: ..hmm.. never used ark ... so.. maybe a bug? ;)
[03:49] <XVampireX> Ah, neat
[03:49] <Jucato> jott: system monitor applet is different from system guard applet?
[03:49] <tobias_> joyy
[03:50] <jott> tobias_: you could install unzip
[03:50] <jott> Jucato: yes..
[03:50] <tobias_> jott: probably but the bug report thing didnt work either this time strange stuff
[03:50] <tobias_> aha
[03:50] <Jucato> err.. gotta try that...
[03:50] <tobias_> I will!
[03:50] <Jucato> installing kicker applets!!!
[03:50] <jott> tobias_: then you can use it from command line
[03:50] <Boxy_Brown> sry mistik, actually I have tried ndiswrapper, with both bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5a.inf, however when I modprobe it my NIC doesn't show up
[03:50] <jott> tobias_: just like "unzip bla.zip" ;)
[03:51] <Boxy_Brown> I've used fwcutter for those drivers and wl_apasta.o
[03:51] <tobias_> jott cool
[03:52] <jott> tobias_: i can also recommend mc (console) / krusader .. very good nc / total commander clones
[03:52] <XVampireX> That's also ugly >_<
[03:52] <jott> tobias_: they also support unzipping...
[03:52] <tobias_> my friend installed konqueror is it like that too?
[03:53] <jott> tobias_: no konqueror is more like "explorer" in windows terms and krusader is a twin-panel file manager like totalcommander/windows commander/norton commander/midnight commander and whatever ;)
[03:53] <id_> hello
[03:53] <tobias_> mmm
[03:53] <tobias_> i like windows commander
[03:53] <Jucato> XVampireX: it was actually System Monitor that I was talking about... not System Guard :-D
[03:53] <jott> then install krusader ;)
[03:53] <tobias_> on my way :)
[03:53] <XVampireX> Jucato: Ah, it's ugly :P
[03:53] <Jucato> XVampireX: System Monitor is installed and enabled by default in MEPIS, so that's what I saw
[03:53] <id_> I hate to say, but Total Commander is still much better
[03:54] <jott> id_: you are right but krusader makes huges progresses
[03:54] <jott> id_: although krusader has the power of kio
[03:54] <jott> id_: in that sense it beats tc ;)
[03:54] <Jucato> XVampireX: well, better than System Guard, eh?
[03:54] <tobias_> seems like i have killed adept, or at least made it not able to install anything cus all the buttons are grey on the top?
[03:55] <XVampireX> Jucato: no
[03:55] <XVampireX> I want something with smooth lines like in gnome
[03:55] <jott> tobias_: you probably running it as user not as root ..
[03:55] <id_> Jucato: run apt
[03:55] <tobias_> aha
[03:55] <Jucato> id_: ???
[03:55] <id_> sorru
[03:55] <id_> sorry
[03:56] <id_> tobias, not jucato
[03:56] <Jucato> :-D
[03:56] <id_> ;)
[03:56] <XVampireX> How's scribus?
[03:56] <tobias_> :)
[03:56] <mistik1> Boxy_Brown: Well if the bcm43xx module was loaded while trying ndiswrapper then it would NOT work at all
[03:57] <Boxy_Brown> no I removied bcm43xx first
[03:57] <mistik1> so you need to blacklist the bcm43xx driver and reload ndiswrapper
[03:57] <tobias_> is there a way to see running programs? cus it says i allready have a version of adept running so i cant change stuff
[03:57] <Boxy_Brown> whenever I try ndis I modprobe -r bcm43xx, blacklist it and reboot
[03:57] <tobias_> id: but when u said "run apt" did u mean it would fix it in console maybe?
[03:58] <tobias_> cus console cant find the command
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias_: run 'ps aux | grep adept' -- that should show you if you have adept running.
[04:01] <Healot> if you get "grep adept" only, then it is not running :)
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, right.
[04:01] <Jucato> tobias_: or press Ctrl+Esc and search for either "adept", "apt-get", or "dpkg"
[04:01] <tobias_> ahh
[04:03] <june> are there any good "windows XP" themes for kde? (both qt themes and KWM themes, hopefully matching too) (ALSO what is KDE's default window manager called anyways?)
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> june: I know that there's a KDM theme for XP, I'm not sure about any of the others. Have a search at http://kde-look.org
[04:04] <Healot> june, get Windows XP then, hohoho
[04:04] <june> CheeseBurgerMan: i've been there for a while :-p
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Come to think of it, you didn't ask for a KDM theme...so I don't really know, but can give you a link. ;)
[04:04] <tobias_> the ps aux thing showed nothing after i used the ctrel+esc and found adept-notify and killed it, it only showed funny numbers. lets see if i can start adept now :)
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh.
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> june: OK, let me do some searching then. :)
[04:06] <june> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks, i found a couple vista themes, one of which i'm gonna try out...
[04:06] <june> but so far no xp
[04:06] <nnn0> :)
[04:07] <nnn0> who in their right mind wants that crap
[04:07] <nnn0> :)
[04:08] <rikioh> is there anyway to view a movie that uses the vodei codecs thru linux?
[04:08] <mistik1> you would be shocked to know how many *needs* it
[04:08] <nnn0> xp is so ugly compared to kde
[04:09] <nnn0> why not make kde look nice instead
[04:09] <nnn0> :)
[04:09] <Jucato> maybe KDE should have a new default look, something to make it less look like XP... :-(
[04:09] <rikioh> is there anyway to view a movie that uses the vodei codecs thru linux??
[04:09] <Kyral_Laptop> ....wazzat supposed to mean?
[04:09] <XVampireX> Jucato: agreed
[04:10] <XVampireX> Did I already say I made it look like gnome here?
[04:10] <mistik1> nnn0: I may agree with you as a die hard linux user, however I have found the need for it in deploying linux to others, It can mean the difference between getting nothing at all done monday morning because your staff is busy being shocked out of their minds
[04:10] <Healot> Plastik for XP .NET theme
[04:10] <Jucato> XVampireX: nope. ehehe
[04:10] <Kyral_Laptop> dude move the GNOME Panel to the bottom and wham "XP like"
[04:10] <Jucato> but I don't mean make it look like GNOME
[04:10] <Healot> isn't Plastik installed by default?
[04:10] <nnn0> :)
[04:10] <Jucato> I meant, maybe make KDE have a default look of its own
[04:10] <XVampireX> Jucato: Well, now you know that it does
[04:10] <Kyral_Laptop> it does....
[04:10] <Jucato> if GNOME was able to make a unique identity for itself, so can KDE
[04:10] <rikioh> guess nobody knows how :(
[04:11] <XVampireX> gonna make a pic and publish
[04:11] <Kyral_Laptop> and who keeps the default theme anyway?
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> june: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 <-- Try that.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> rikioh, it's a scam , check this out : http://www.vladd44.com/video/vodei.php
[04:11] <Jucato> Kyral_Laptop: I sure don't :-D
[04:12] <Jucato> But you'd be surprised at how many judge KDE to be "XP-like" because of the default theme
[04:12] <june> thanks CheeseBurgerMan: i've been afk
[04:12] <rikioh> i know its a scam blues but even to fix it you have to install an older version of the codecs and change some stuff around.... the codec install is xp only
[04:12] <rikioh> well
[04:12] <rikioh> .exe only
[04:12] <rikioh> sorry
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> june: It's OK, I wouldn't have noticed if you'd said something -- I'd have been in Google. ;)
[04:13] <june> i love gnome, but I've been told time and time again that KDE is far more like XP, so its what i chose to replace XP on my mother's machine
[04:13] <XVampireX> http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3601/kubuntu2za8.png
[04:14] <Jucato> I don't have any toolbars to show. They're all hidden by default
[04:14] <Jucato> :-D
[04:14] <nnn0> ehehehe
[04:14] <nnn0> XVampireX: we made kubuntu look like ubuntu :D
[04:14] <XVampireX> yup
[04:14] <nnn0> lol
[04:14] <Jucato> hmm...
[04:14] <XVampireX> nnn0: you made it look less like ubuntu
[04:14] <rikioh> blueskaj you got any ideas on what i can do in linux to view it? cuz theres no linux version of vodei
[04:14] <Jucato> I think I might have a similar screenshot
[04:14] <nnn0> i guess
[04:15] <Jucato> i have to upload it first
[04:15] <rikioh> so i cant really install a codec fix file thats an exe and expect it to work
[04:15] <Jucato> one thing KDE won't be able to "emulate" natively is the Applications menu.
[04:15] <mistik1> nnn0: I may be a bit more minimalist than you ;)
[04:16] <nnn0> :)
[04:16] <BluesKaj> maybe you can try to strip the the compressed files by using "tovid 2.8"..its a video to dvdconvereter
[04:16] <nnn0> i like those dark colors
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Really? You haven't seen my setup. :P
[04:16] <XVampireX> Jucato: And Places and System
[04:16] <XVampireX> Actually
[04:16] <XVampireX> It already does
[04:16] <BluesKaj> converter
[04:16] <XVampireX> Just needs something
[04:16] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: You were able to put words in the Panel? Like "Applications, Places, System"
[04:17] <Lynucs_Newbie> Anyone ever installed Kubuntu 5.10 from the liveCD?
[04:17] <Jucato> XVampireX: that's why I said "natively" :-D
[04:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Yes.
[04:17] <XVampireX> Jucato: no it just needs the names
[04:17] <Jucato> Lynucs_Newbie: you can't. there's no installer
[04:17] <XVampireX> And that's it
[04:17] <nnn0> kubuntu 5 was one lice cd and one install cd
[04:17] <nnn0> live cd
[04:17] <june> I had no idea there was a live CD for 5.10
[04:17] <XVampireX> 6 is desktop cd
[04:17] <Lynucs_Newbie> can you point me in the direction of a one disk installer?
[04:17] <nnn0> donno if you can install from the live cd at all
[04:17] <XVampireX> can't
[04:17] <Lynucs_Newbie> really
[04:17] <Jucato> Lynucs_Newbie: Kubuntu 6.06 LTS
[04:17] <XVampireX> only in dapper
[04:18] <Lynucs_Newbie> thank you
[04:18] <Lynucs_Newbie> i'll remember
[04:18] <nnn0> yeah the new one is live and install on one cd
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5776/navbg1zl3.png
[04:18] <Lynucs_Newbie> I am already 500 megs over my Bandwidth limit; ehh what the fuck
[04:18] <Lynucs_Newbie> thanks
[04:18] <Lynucs_Newbie> Can you give me the ISO link?
[04:18] <june> Lynucs_Newbie: http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[04:19] <Lynucs_Newbie> Thats for CD not DVD; right?
[04:19] <june> yep
[04:19] <nnn0> ubuntu ?
[04:19] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: cool! how did you to that?!?!
[04:19] <Lynucs_Newbie> ok
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Note that that link is for Ubuntu, not Kubuntu. If you want KDE you'll have to download the Kubuntu CD.
[04:19] <june> i honestly reccomend torrenting it
[04:19] <june> faster downloading
[04:19] <june> error checking
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Lynucs_Newbie: Or install it separeately afterwards.
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Let me see if I can find the applet.
[04:19] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks!!!
[04:20] <Lynucs_Newbie> Can you give me a torrent/ link to a copy of KUBUNTU that is ont ONE disk, take note ***>>>KDE<<<***
[04:20] <june> Lynucs_Newbie: what made you choose KDE if you're a  "linux newbie" ?
[04:20] <june> but sure
[04:21] <june> i'm jsut a gnome advocate :-)
[04:21] <Jucato> Lynucs_Newbie: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php choose your mirror
[04:21] <Lynucs_Newbie> I am not a complete newbue
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Lynucs_Newbie:  http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[04:21] <Lynucs_Newbie> bie*
[04:21] <Lynucs_Newbie> thank you CBM
[04:21] <june> are you on an x86?
[04:21] <june> meh
[04:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22605
[04:22] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: thanks. but I guess I didn't emphasize the word "natively" enough :-D
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's wrong with that? I guess I'm confused by your definition of 'Native'
[04:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> It fits right into kicker, seems pretty darn good to me. :)
[04:23] <Jucato> native = no need to install additional/3rd party apps
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: In that case, no it can't. :P
[04:24] <Jucato> there's one trick I learned on how to have a K Menu with an Icon and a word beside it, natively, just by editing a config file
[04:24] <Jucato> so it would look something like: [K]  Applications or  [K]  Start @_@
[04:25] <Jucato> anyway, not really interested in trying to "emulate" GNOME's menus. I was just saying that KDE could possibly develop a unique default look of its own. Something that would make you say "ah that's KDE!" when you first see it
[04:25] <Jucato> not like "that looks like XP"... T_T
[04:26] <nnn0> i want my kde to be flexible
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heh, I did say 'Ah, that's KDE' when I first saw it. (or something like that)
[04:26] <nnn0> if i wanted a good window manager i would use wmii ;) hehe
[04:27] <Jucato> nnn0: of course. I'm not saying it has to be inflexible. but for some people, the default look makes a big impression
[04:27] <nnn0> true
[04:27] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: well, I've seen a lot of people say "KDE looks like XP"
[04:27] <Jucato> I myself said "hmm... this looks familiar..."
[04:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> For me the customizability makes a big impression...if I can't make it look/act how I want it to, I don't like it. :)
[04:28] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah, that's why I picked GNOME. but some people are not really interested in customizing everything. they would probably just not want something that looks a lot like XP
[04:28] <nnn0> god forbid
[04:28] <Jucato> which is another issue I have with Linspire and PCLinuxOS, even if I think they are both good distros...
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Ironically, that's why I don't like Gnome. I find KDE much easier to customize.
[04:29] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: err.. sorry. correction
[04:29] <Hawkwind> Since when does PcLinuxOS look like XP ?
[04:29] <Jucato> darn I hate typing so fast!
[04:29] <nnn0> :)
[04:29] <Jucato> I meant: I chose KDE over GNOME because I can tweak it a lot
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, that makes more sense. :)
[04:29] <Jucato> Hawkwind: just the logo actually
[04:29] <nnn0> all the guis has still a long way to go :)
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> We'll see how much of a unique look KDE 4 brings.
[04:30] <Jucato> yeah, I'm really looking forward to KDE 4...
[04:30] <Jucato> but without screenshots... I can only imagine what they're saying from their blogs
[04:30] <XVampireX> :P
[04:31] <Jucato> besides, none of the devs have been talking about UI for the past months that I've been monitoring them
[04:31] <Jucato> of course, they're more interested in code
[04:31] <Jucato> and the usability team is a bit more interested in theory...
[04:31] <Jucato> so far, no one has been interested in looks... @_@
[04:31] <Kyral_Laptop> KDE4 should be faster
[04:32] <Kyral_Laptop> due to Qt4
[04:32] <nnn0> SymphonyOS is at least trying to do something different, but it's still to little too late :D
[04:32] <Kyral_Laptop> Mezzo...is interesting
[04:32] <Jucato> nnn0: unfortunately SymphonyOS is in a bit of trouble right now
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> If Symphony ever gets off the ground, I'd try it. :)
[04:32] <Kyral_Laptop> why
[04:32] <nnn0> never tried it
[04:32] <Kyral_Laptop> I tried an Alpha
[04:33] <Jucato> there was a May 2006 beta released. it was very... minimal..
[04:33] <nnn0> :)
[04:33] <Jucato> but the problem it's having is funding and development
[04:33] <nnn0> as i said, i like wmii - i think they are going in the right direction
[04:33] <Jucato> which is why I'm very wary of one-man development teams
[04:33] <nnn0> loosely based on plan 9 i guess
[04:34] <Jucato> wmii sounds a lot like Wii :-D
[04:34] <nnn0> hehe
[04:34] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: SymphonyOS is a whole different beast. might be a shock at first
[04:34] <Jucato> but the concept is really nice. except for the "corners"
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Awesome, :D
[04:34] <nnn0> the screenshots look boring, but when you try it for sometime, you work alot faster
[04:34] <nnn0> just too bad kde apps don't work in it
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, no official Beta torrent.
[04:35] <nnn0> it's very effective
[04:35] <Jucato> oh.. and SymphonyOS, while trying to have a different desktop environment, is really using a whole lot of GNOME
[04:35] <nnn0> ehehe
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, is there a liveCD?
[04:35] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: the latest Beta was the 2006-05 beta
[04:36] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: it's a Live CD+ installer, but very beta installer
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Oh, my bad.
[04:36] <Jucato> http://www.symphonyos.com/download/
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: Yeah,there's no torrent for the latest version.
[04:36] <Jucato> Symphony OS 2006-05 Beta
[04:36] <Jucato> CheeseBurgerMan: heck, there isn't even an MD5SUM
[04:36] <Jucato> :-p
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: OK you have a point. ;)
[04:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Jucato: But the others have torrents. ;)
[04:38] <Jucato> well... at the rate that they're going right now, I'm amazed they even have it available for download...
[04:38] <nnn0> try wmii instead :) http://wmii.de/download/wmii-3.1.tar.gz
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that's why I was hoping for a torrent. :)
[04:38] <nnn0> wmii owns :D
[04:38] <Jucato> :-p
[04:39] <Jucato> somehow, I still love KWin...
[04:39] <Jucato> I have a "taste" issue with the other WMs...
[04:39] <Jucato> lol
[04:40] <nnn0> wmii isn't about looks at all, in default mode you don't even say where the windows go, just how many you want
[04:40] <Jucato> er...
[04:40] <nnn0> it takes some time to get used to, but it's worth it
[04:40] <nnn0> :)
[04:41] <nnn0> it's a DYNAMIC wm
[04:41] <nnn0> ;)
[04:41] <nnn0> ehhehe
[04:41] <Jucato> in what sense is it dynamic?
[04:41] <nnn0> and like, all the settings of the OS is part of the filesystem
[04:42] <nnn0> well - it kind of tiles all you windows automatically
[04:42] <nnn0> adding or subracting a desktop is just one klikk of the mouse
[04:42] <Jucato> oh...
[04:43] <nnn0> there is no start meny, just all ( and i mean all) the apps on one long line
[04:43] <nnn0> you just type what you want
[04:43] <nnn0> it's awesome
[04:43] <nnn0> :D
[04:43] <Jucato> it's... unique :-D
[04:44] <nnn0> no it has taken alot of ideas from Plan 9
[04:44] <OOD> i prefer an easy and functional (and pretty) windowing system
[04:44] <nnn0> wmii is all about functional
[04:44] <OOD> XGL/Compiz and cgwd
[04:44] <nnn0> :)
[04:44] <Jucato> well... I want functional, pretty, and customizable. somehow KWin has all of those
[04:45] <OOD> then i have fluxbox if i need a low resource enrivonment for something like JACK
[04:45] <nnn0> fluxbox is cool - i like that one
[04:45] <nnn0> there should be a fubuntu :D
[04:45] <Jucato> i think there already is
[04:45] <nnn0> !
[04:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:45] <Jucato> but I think they renambed it
[04:45] <nnn0> ehehheh
[04:46] <Jucato> renamed it
[04:46] <Jucato> because it sounds too much like Fubu
[04:46] <nnn0> ehehe
[04:47] <nnn0> !anything
[04:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about anything - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:47] <nnn0> :D
[04:47] <Jucato> I really wish they could give us some more screenshots for KDE 4...
[04:47] <Jucato> !KDE4
[04:47] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[04:47] <Jucato> :-p
[04:47] <OOD> there's nubuntu http://www.nubuntu.org/downloads.php
[04:47] <Jucato> btw, there are new icon previews for the new KDE 4 icon theme, Oxygen
[04:48] <Jucato> OOD: is that nUbuntu or the Nubuntu?
[04:48] <OOD> it uses fluxbox but it's more of a network tool live cd
[04:48] <nnn0> :)
[04:48] <Jucato> er ubotu... you gave a dead link! lol
[04:48] <XVampireX> !phonon
[04:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about phonon - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:48] <Jucato> oh nUbuntu.. there's a new project someone is starting called Nubuntu - Newbie Ubuntu
[04:48] <nnn0> nubuntu is still gnome
[04:48] <Jucato> !oxygen
[04:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about oxygen - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:48] <XVampireX> I WANT PHONON GOD DAMNIT!
[04:49] <Jucato> er.. s2pd.
[04:49] <nnn0> !girls
[04:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about girls - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:49] <Jucato> Oxygen Icon theme NEW PREVIES: http://www.oxygen-icons.org/
[04:49] <Jucato> I want PLASSSSMAAAAH!!
[04:49] <nnn0> brb
[04:49] <OOD> kde needs new icons
[04:49] <OOD> the default ones are so ugly
[04:50] <Jucato> 00D: which default icons?
[04:50] <Jucato> Kubuntu uses Crystal as default, MEPIS uses Nuvola...
[04:50] <OOD> all of them ;)
[04:50] <Jucato> personally, I liked Crystal (Crystal SVG, GT, and Clear), and hated Nuvola
[04:50] <XVampireX> Jucato: You want PHONON!
[04:50] <OOD> i, actually use a Vista icon theme
[04:50] <Jucato> I'm quite disappointed they didn't ask Everaldo to help in Oxygen...
[04:51] <XVampireX> Some new version of KBFX is being developed specially for kde4
[04:51] <abattoir> Jucato: nope... that's not the case
[04:51] <XVampireX> That's what I heard from #kbfx developers
[04:51] <Jucato> oh god! I hope they don't do a Linspire...
[04:51] <Jucato> (no offense to Linspire...)
[04:51] <XVampireX> No
[04:51] <Jucato> abattoir: what happened?
[04:51] <XVampireX> Not linspire :P
[04:51] <XVampireX> They said it's going to be REALLY different and REALLY kick ass
[04:51] <Jucato> XVampireX: I'm not interested that much in  Phonon coz I'm not a multimedia guy (yet)
[04:52] <abattoir> Jucato:  from what i've heard, he was asked if he wanted to work with this team, and he said he only did his work alone.
[04:52] <XVampireX> Jucato: Not about Multimedia, really....
[04:52] <Jucato> well I really hope so. KDE 4 needs an overhaul
[04:52] <XVampireX> Hmm
[04:52] <XVampireX> Huh
[04:52] <XVampireX> Maybe
[04:52] <XVampireX> Wait
[04:52] <Jucato> XVampireX: Phonon is more about multimedia
[04:52] <XVampireX> Flash 9
[04:52] <Jucato> Plasma = desktop, Solid = Hardware
[04:52] <XVampireX> Meh
[04:53] <XVampireX> I was thinking Flash 9 should use Phonon
[04:53] <XVampireX> Instead of just ALSA
[04:53] <XVampireX> I mean, give it the advanced features of phonon :P
[04:53] <Jucato> err... Flash 9 for Linux is in development right now. beta will be released early 2007
[04:53] <XVampireX> Yeah
[04:53] <Jucato> I think that's up to the Flash devs...
[04:53] <XVampireX> Tech preview late 2006
[04:53] <XVampireX> KDE4
[04:54] <XVampireX> Everyone drooling over KDE4
[04:54] <XVampireX> Even though we have no idea what's going on
[04:54] <OOD> im looking forward to gnash more
[04:54] <abattoir> Jucato: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/stoppage.html
[04:54] <Jucato> oh man! you took the words right out of my keyboard
[04:54] <XVampireX> klipper hates opera
[04:54] <Jucato> OOD: I was hopping they could compete with Flash on the same level. but at present...
[04:55] <Jucato> abattoir: omg...
[04:55] <XVampireX> No
[04:55] <XVampireX> Don't look at it
[04:55] <XVampireX> abattoir: those are old news
[04:55] <abattoir> XVampireX: the new one is?
[04:55] <OOD>  i tried it, it's not as functional as flash 7, but there's a lot of advantages to open source flash player
[04:55] <XVampireX> Everything went fine, adobe got pissed because people posted on digg
[04:55] <XVampireX> abattoir: they even posted specs afterwards
[04:55] <XVampireX> For people to discuss, too
[04:56] <abattoir> XVampireX: anyways, its just a rant... apart from the title, the article is vague...
[04:56] <Jucato> oh well.  great discussion... bbl
[04:56] <XVampireX> YEah
[05:00] <lmosher> Is it possible to author video DVDs in linux?
[05:00] <bcron> yes
[05:01] <lmosher> Better question, are they in the apt-get repos or do I need to do some google hunting?
[05:01] <bcron> maybe both... I used the Automatix script and it let me get all of the video tools
[05:02] <bcron> as well as a lot of other customizations... it was really handy...
[05:02] <lmosher> I'm pretty comfortable installing the stuff I need by hand, I just need to know what it's called :)
[05:03] <lmosher> lol, ok.. how about a package called 'dvdauthor' :P
[05:04] <lmosher> bcron, Is taht the tool you use? (or qdvdauthor)?
[05:06] <bcron> I like K9Copy for making DVDs
[05:07] <lmosher> I'm talking about converting .avi files to DVD format to play in my DVD player..
[05:07] <bcron> for editing I have Kino and Avidemux installed
[05:07] <osiris> can anyone from here point me towards a kubuntu-centric how-to for samba
[05:10] <bcron> lmosher: this looks like a helpful article for you http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/2058219
[05:10] <saif> :)
[05:10] <lmosher> cool ty
[05:11] <bcron> osiris:  I wouldn't look for a Kubuntu centric howto... I'd just find a good Samba howto... it shouldn't vary that much just because you use kubuntu
[05:11] <kernal> join #overbits
[05:11] <kernal> juas
[05:11] <osiris> well, my smb.conf from mdv is WAY different than its laid out in kubuntu
[05:12] <osiris> thats why i need something that might highlight the differences
[05:12] <bcron> same version of samba?
[05:13] <pioco> (open)
[05:13] <pioco> hola
[05:13] <osiris> i believe so, but i cant check anymore
[05:13] <bcron> It may be similar with a ton more stuff commented out... but the same "guts" I don't think it's that different... what's mdv?
[05:13] <osiris> short for mandriva
[05:15] <pioco> (#ubuntu amd 64
[05:15] <pioco> hi
[05:16] <bcron> thought so... mandriva is debian based too so Im sure it can't be that different... I assume it's not working?
[05:16] <osiris> uh, mandriva is not debian based
[05:16] <Kyral_Laptop> I thought it was Redhat based
[05:16] <osiris> it at one time was a bastardization of redhat
[05:16] <osiris> its an rpm distro
[05:16] <pioco> #kubuntu-es
[05:17] <bcron> I might be thinking of mepis
[05:17] <pioco> (#kubuntu-es)
[05:17] <nnn0__> mepis is debian yes
[05:17] <nnn0__> was
[05:17] <nnn0__> is
[05:17] <nnn0__> ? :)
[05:17] <osiris> was
[05:17] <osiris> i thought mepis was ubuntu based now
[05:17] <BluesKaj> mepis is still around
[05:17] <pioco> (#buntu-es)
[05:17] <nnn0__> yeah but ubuntu is debian right
[05:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:18] <nnn0__> so they are both still debian based
[05:18] <nnn0__> like all those knoppix based ones
[05:18] <bcron> maybe this will help with your samba issue... I am sure there is a Kubuntu reference but this should be good enough http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/340
[05:18] <Hiryu> something weird just happen to the kubuntu/ubuntu repos? The only kernel images available now are from the 2.4 series
[05:19] <bcron> I have used PC Linux OS and that's based on Mandrake... since it uses synaptic I get that confused with debian
[05:20] <Hiryu> wasn't synaptic originally written by conectiva as GUI front end for apt using RPM's? heh
[05:21] <BluesKaj> Yast sucks , suse should use synaptic
[05:21] <bcron> Im not a huge Yast fan
[05:22] <Hiryu> neither am I
[05:22] <bcron> The first time I used Suse I forgot to get rid of the CDs as a source for yast and find new repos
[05:22] <bcron> that has to mess up new ppl all the time
[05:24] <vaibhav> hello every1
[05:24] <intelikey> vaibhav
[05:29] <intelikey> i went in #perl to ask a simple question about an error from a perl script and the answer was "learn or hire"    as in 'we dont answer questions for free.'     the bastards!
[05:30] <intelikey> so i removed perl from this system.
[05:30] <Hiryu> Heh.
[05:30] <Hiryu> that is what #perl is like
[05:30] <Hiryu> I guess I'd get tired of helping people
[05:30] <intelikey> they can keep it.
[05:30] <Hiryu> a lot of people must need help with perl
[05:30] <nnn0> :D
[05:30] <vaibhav>   (mo)  05:10AM  05:24AM   14 mins
[05:30] <vaibhav>    GLENDALE GALLERIA  mo  05:36AM  05:50AM   14 mins
[05:30] <Hiryu> considering it looks like line noise
[05:30] <Hiryu> :D
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[05:31] <Hiryu> wtf
[05:31] <vaibhav>    GLENDALE GALLERIA  mo  07:17AM  07:31AM   14 mins
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[05:31] <vaibhav>    GLENDALE GALLERIA
[05:31] <bimberi> !ops
[05:31] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[05:31] <nnn0> :)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> bimberi: sigh.
[05:31] <Hiryu> meh
[05:32] <Agios> Hawkwind: need a ban :)
[05:32] <bimberi> hi Hobbsee :)
[05:32] <imbrandon> doh
[05:32] <imbrandon> she beat me
[05:32] <imbrandon> heh
[05:32] <bimberi> s/beat/thrashed/ ;)
[05:33] <intelikey> lol
[05:33] <XVampireX> Set a bot that would kickk flooders
[05:33] <intelikey> s/thrashed/stomped on/
[05:33] <imbrandon>  /kicks intelikey
[05:34] <bimberi> :)
[05:34] <intelikey> for saying the truth ???
[05:34] <intelikey> oh well
[05:34] <nnn0> ^c ^,
[05:34] <intelikey> :"
[05:35] <pioco> #kernel
[05:36] <intelikey> pioco missing a /j  there ?
[05:38] <pioco> spiking spanis
[05:38] <pioco> ?
[05:38] <intelikey> !es
[05:38] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:42] <pioco> closed
[05:42] <pioco> closed sesion
[05:54] <soldi3r> hi
[05:54] <soldi3r> i wanted to know how do i check how much ram i have on kubuntu?
[05:57] <intelikey> soldi3r free
[05:57] <intelikey> soldi3r free -h
[05:57] <intelikey> notice the third line.
[05:58] <intelikey> errr not -h    -m   my bad.
[05:59] <arepie> im on 64bit kubuntu, but there's no mp3 support player.. what should i install to make all multimedia support?
[06:00] <intelikey> !vlc
[06:00] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:00] <arepie> !codecs
[06:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:01] <intelikey> arepie apt-cache search <blah>    will show if it's available in you selected repositories.
[06:01] <Celeste> hi
[06:01] <intelikey> !repos
[06:02] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:02] <Celeste> how can I mount a FAT32 partition on my computer in a way that it will be automatically mounted the next time I boot my computer?
[06:02] <arepie> intelikey: why can i just use adept?
[06:03] <intelikey> Celeste   add a line  '/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 vfat umask=0 0 0 '  in your /etc/fstab     man fstab for more info.
[06:03] <intelikey> arepie you can.
[06:03] <Celeste> intelikey, thank you!
[06:05] <intelikey> Celeste note that assumes  first partition first ide master   and mount point /mnt/hda1     you can make the mount point where ever you like.   but the device address must be correct.      sudo fdisk -l      should list all partitions
[06:06] <intelikey> mount point is an empty dir.
[06:06] <arepie> intelikey, can you tell what repos should i install to make my amarok works?
[06:07] <intelikey> arepie i've never played with k8
[06:07] <Celeste> intelikey, http://sial.org/pbot/18838
[06:07] <bcron> arepie: Amarok is installed already?
[06:07] <arepie> yes
[06:07] <arepie> im on kubuntu 64bit, default setting
[06:08] <arepie> just finished update the system this morning
[06:08] <bcron> and not working obviously... I would open a konsole and type amarok in there to see the error message
[06:08] <arepie> to many error
[06:08] <bcron> It could be that you don't have mysql setup right and you could get by with sqllite (or whatever it's called)
[06:08] <intelikey> Celeste yes /dev/hda4  seems to be the device you want.
[06:09] <Celeste> intelikey, yes ... but is it still  umask=0 0 0 ?
[06:10] <intelikey> Celeste the umask= is used to give or restrict user access   umask=0 is full access to all users.   as i said "man fstab"    if you need more detailed info
[06:10] <Celeste> ok
[06:10] <Celeste> thank you
[06:10] <intelikey> welcome
[06:12] <intelikey> Celeste if you want read only access  you could replace the umask= with defaults
[06:12] <intelikey> for users that is.   ^
[06:13] <intelikey> if you wanted true read only   defaults,ro 0 0
[06:14] <Celeste> I want to read and write ... I try it now...
[06:14] <intelikey> Celeste this is not M$ reboot windows.   just issue  sudo mount -a
[06:15] <id_> anybody knows if there is program like "torrent harvester" for linux?
[06:18] <soldi3r> thanks
[06:18] <bcron> id_: no there isn't... you might try to get it to work with wine I guess
[06:18] <mighty-d> hello, i've just installed a kubuntu dapper on a piii 450 mhz 256 ram box, what should i do for a  OS speed up?
[06:19] <bcron> switch to damn small linux
[06:19] <mighty-d> lol
[06:19] <nnn0> try vectorlinux
[06:19] <intelikey> mighty-d just kill unused daemons and basicly make it run as light as possable.
[06:19] <nnn0> :)
[06:20] <intelikey> you people are ugly.
[06:20] <bcron> I tried xubuntu on an 800 or so and it still drug
[06:20] <mighty-d> here is the thing, this box is for a regular user, im trying to massify linux, but regular people wont do it with an ugly wm
[06:20] <intelikey> i use ubuntu on a p1mmx with 64m ram   and have no complaints.
[06:21] <bcron> wow
[06:21] <intelikey> bcron set it up correctly it will fly
[06:21] <plugs> my mouse scrolls up three times as far as it scrolls down. any idea how to change this?
[06:21] <mighty-d> where should i begin?
[06:21] <bcron> well I did... Im running slackware on it now... tbh I didn't mess with the xubuntu when it was on there just the default install
[06:23] <intelikey> mighty-d 'ugly wm'  hehhe    beuty is in the eye of the beholder.    bells and whestels cost power.  where as background pictures and menus are cheep.
[06:23] <flaccid> !cups
[06:23] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:24] <mighty-d> intelikey: you're right, but im sure kde is better than winxp, and winxp was running great on that box
[06:25] <intelikey> yes.
[06:25] <mighty-d> intelikey: ok where should i start to work?
[06:26] <plugs> my mouse scrolls up three times as far as it scrolls down. any idea how to change this?
[06:26] <intelikey> update-rc.d
[06:26] <mighty-d> should i make a new kernel compilation?
[06:27] <intelikey> not unless you have issues with that one.
[06:27] <intelikey> i ran the default kernel on that p1 100mhz
[06:28] <intelikey> ran/run
[06:28] <mighty-d> ok, so the only thing i should do is modifying the services on rc.d?
[06:28] <intelikey> maybe not the only thing but that's a good start
[06:29] <intelikey> setting the nice value for X can help  but don't tweek it too much.
[06:29] <mighty-d> ok, i need to learn how to do it, see i plan to install linux in every machine (as a bussiness), but not every body has a great machine, so i have to be able to support virtually every kind of boxes
[06:31] <intelikey> mighty-d as for the thing you said above.   don't try to make linux == windows    but show that linux can and will do what they want done.   in other words 'dont give them a fish, teach them to fish'
[06:32] <mighty-d> yes i know, thanks 4 the advice
[06:32] <mighty-d> ok gotta go
[06:32] <mighty-d> bye
[06:32] <intelikey> np
[06:32] <Healot> Linux isn't Windows, Linux is an operating system kernel, and Windows is the whole OS :)
[06:33] <intelikey> Healot actually i may be now.  but windows was not an os.   it was a gui for M$ dos
[06:33] <Healot> it was :)
[06:34] <Healot> just forget the legacy... refer to modern NT-based Windows...
[06:34] <intelikey> they just included the kernel in the gui package
[06:35] <intelikey> forget the legacy ???    if you forget the past you will repete it...    i'd rather forget windows altogather.
[06:36] <Healot> anyways, Windows has come a long way, i like it :)
[06:36] <intelikey> and you are correct.   linux is an os     ubuntu == windows of the linux world
[06:37] <nnn0> ehehe
[06:37] <Healot> btw, GNU/Linux evolved fast...
[06:37] <nnn0> linux is an os, ubuntu is a linux and windows is just crap
[06:38] <intelikey> nnn0 ubuntu != linux      but yes windows = poo poo
[06:39] <intelikey> *buntu == linux + GNU apps + *buntu specific configs.
[06:40] <intelikey> the last of which is the only thing i have against it
[06:40] <farous> intelikey: i think that is true for a number of linux distro too
[06:40] <nnn0> yeah by linux i ment GNU/Linux ;)
[06:40] <farous> so is not ubuntu specific
[06:40] <intelikey> farous all
[06:41] <intelikey> farous    mandriva == linux + GNU + mandriva specific configs
[06:41] <intelikey> fedora == linux + GNU + fedora configs
[06:41] <intelikey> ...
[06:42] <farous> intelikey: did not like to generalize for i do not know where some source based distro such as arch and gentoo fall
[06:42] <nnn0> windows = crap + theft + greed
[06:42] <semart> somebody please say a word that is related to "to jam", "to distort". i think i know it but it doesn't come to my mind, although i feel it's a popular word.
[06:43] <intelikey> nnn0 you left out eyecandy and virii
[06:43] <nnn0> ehehe
[06:43] <farous> nnn0: i would just add state of the art and just work without effort on user side to that
[06:44] <nnn0> :DDDDDD
[06:44] <nnn0> yeah if all you want to do is checking your hotmail account with IE :DDDD
[06:44] <plugs> bungle
[06:44] <MasterMatt> hello
[06:44] <farous> nnn0: or running sophist eng scientific software that are property you have to
[06:45] <intelikey> farous "just work without effort"   where you been ?    under a rock some place ?     or you only run M$ on boxes that it's preinstalled on ?
[06:45] <farous> intelikey: first of all i run linux
[06:45] <nnn0> that doesn't mean that windows is not crap ;)
[06:45] <farous> but i have to just see things as they are :)
[06:45] <intelikey> farous me too
[06:45] <MasterMatt> t i have to just see things as they are :)
[06:46] <intelikey> and i have more trubble getting some things to work togather un M$ than in linux
[06:46] <nnn0> and things are this: windows is the worst excuse for an OS ever - there is no worse os
[06:46] <rikioh> ok i got vodei to wine onto linux now all i got to do is figure out what to do with the dll's and stuff to make any of my media players recognize that the codecs are there
[06:47] <intelikey> !codecs
[06:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:48] <farous> am not here for os war so my 2 cents are that all my pcs came with window preinstalled i run linux exclus on all now. Yet due to property drivers i just miss some basic facilities i had. Printing faxing and scanning to name a few (those are specific to my hardware but are general problem to all)
[06:49] <Hiryu> that's totally understandable
[06:49] <Hiryu> scary to think that linux has more drivers than any other alternative OS
[06:50] <farous> :)
[06:50] <inc|freaky> liim soo bored
[06:50] <intelikey> farous with that i totally agree.    when you buy propriatary hardware you pay the os maker.    a lesson we should have all learned sooner
[06:50] <inc|freaky> 6:50 AM, holidays :D
[06:50] <farous> intelikey: agreed totally
[06:52] <osiris> i just wish game developers would get with the times
[06:53] <osiris> or the linux comunity as a whole doing some sort of commercials like the campy mac + intel commercials
[06:53] <intelikey> thus if the latest and greatest hardware is propritary, i simply wont have the latest and greatest.   it's all a sales gimmic anyway.        just ask the right questions befor you buy.
[06:54] <lmosher> I'm running a game that launches a window and then goes full screen. In metacity it covers the whole screen, but in compiz the gnome panel is on top. How can I prevent this?
[06:54] <Healot> linux people don't do enough commercials :)
[06:54] <osiris> thats what I'M sayin
[06:55] <osiris> we need dancing penguins, and confetti, and beer
[06:55] <intelikey> looks like plenty of linux users  and plenty of suport and development    why do we need commercials ?
[06:55] <intelikey> :)
[06:56] <osiris> a global uprising so to speak
[06:56] <intelikey> beer ?   or  wine == wine is not an emulator ?
[06:56] <farous> osiris: commercials need money and money need cooperations. yet did you forget the ibm commercials
[06:57] <osiris> i didnt.  i loved each one of them
[06:57] <osiris> but things across those lines, and stories of non-infected pc's, and spoofs about reboots
[06:58] <osiris> i know, i know.  money
[06:59] <intelikey> oh.   i think i caused that.
[06:59] <farous> osiris: i think linux have generated a lot of buzz in universties and on the net
[06:59] <intelikey> but not sorry.
[06:59] <farous> i do not think tv commercials will do lot of goods
[06:59] <osiris> as of late farous, you are correct.  i just wanna see that last big push, that makes a real dent in user share
[07:00] <intelikey> how many thing have you bought just because you saw it advertized ?
[07:00] <Dodger> how do i force-unmount a file system?
[07:00] <Dodger> it's telling me my cd drive is busy although it's not
[07:00] <osiris> intelikey, if it was done well, or obscure enough, it sure has caught my attention, and got me currious
[07:00] <intelikey> Dodger sudo eject
[07:00] <rikioh> can anyone think of a way for me to take dll files and somehow link them to a media player.... this codec i had to install with wine cuz there is no linux version... so i now need to link these dll's to a player so when i try to open the file it recognizes it needs those dll files to play it
[07:01] <Dodger> intelikey: that tells me device is busy
[07:01] <osiris> Dodger, make sure you dont have any terminals cd'ed into the cdrom's directories
[07:01] <intelikey> Dodger then un-busy it.    lsof | grep cdrom
[07:01] <osiris> Dodger, or other app's for that matter
[07:01] <Dodger> thanks guys
[07:02] <Dodger> it was indeed a terminal in the cd's directory - duh
[07:02] <moj0rising> does anyone know of a simple way to confifure sendmail?
[07:02] <intelikey> Dodger if it's busy,   it's busy....
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[07:02] <rikioh> is there anyone here who is good with multimedia problems/ file association with linux?
[07:03] <intelikey> and does anyone know what file specifies automatic timed logouts through PAM ?
[07:05] <intelikey> i'm kinda getting tired of my consoles closing because of 5 minutes inactive
[07:05] <rikioh> i need vodei to view this avi file of mine ( vodei is basically a scam to get people to pay money for nothing its kinda like password protecting a avi file) i got vodei installed to a folder on my desktop now with wine ( vodei is windows only) in the folder i have the dll files associated with it.... how can i link them to a media player or somehow get it to recognize that i have the dll's on here?
[07:06] <cheeby> hi.  my wife's window's xp pc just bit it.  won't boot.  can I use the ubuntu live cd to rescue her Outlook contacts?
[07:06] <crimsun> cheeby: with some finagling, yes
[07:07] <cheeby> crimsun, any docs? or a link?
[07:07] <rikioh> if theres no way i can do that then is there a way for me to somehow move this avi file from hdd 2 (linux)........ to hdd 1 (windows) and then play it thru windows
[07:07] <crimsun> cheeby: google probably would.
[07:07] <intelikey> rikioh look for ~/.wine/C/   or something like that, and put the dll in there.
[07:08] <farous> cheeby: if the livecd automount the window harddisk it will be easy
[07:08] <farous> most applications is under the home folder/Application data/
[07:08] <intelikey> cheeby sure you can.
[07:08] <cheeby> farous, not sure how to do that.  I just popped in the cd and tried to `ls /dev/hdc`
[07:08] <cheeby>  but didn't get much
[07:09] <intelikey> cheeby you got a listing of the device     lol
[07:09] <intelikey> cheeby    sudo fdisk -l
[07:09] <cheeby> sure, but if I cd to it, I only see the contents of the cdrom.
[07:09] <intelikey> that should list the partitions.
[07:09] <cheeby> ok
[07:10] <intelikey> when you have the correct info   mount that device on an empty dir
[07:10] <intelikey> example    sudo mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/
[07:11] <cheeby> sudo fdisk -l           returns nothing
[07:11] <intelikey> then you ls/cd /mnt/      where the file system is mounted.
[07:11] <intelikey> cheeby might not be any partition table
[07:12] <rikioh> intelikey would it need to look like this when i install it z:\home\.wine\vodei
[07:12] <Kr4t05> I'm away: Sleep
[07:12] <intelikey> rikioh ???
[07:12] <rikioh> when installing an app thru wine
[07:13] <rikioh> if i wanted it in the wine directory
[07:13] <rikioh> would that be the path
[07:13] <intelikey> no    z:   whould be in   $HOME/.wine/   already.
[07:13] <cheeby> so, would it be OK if I replaced my wife's xp box with a mac?
[07:13] <farous> cheeby: i hear that the kanoppix livecd is great for rescue. I used to use mepis which automounts the window partition.
[07:14] <rikioh> ok so z: = home/.wine
[07:14] <intelikey>    z:\   ==   $HOME/.wine/z/
[07:14] <cheeby> farous, yeah, I believe I will look into that.  thanks.
[07:15] <rOOb> is there a gtk-dev package for kubuntu
[07:15] <apeman2020> how can i show all users within the terminaL>
[07:15] <apeman2020> how can i show all users within the terminal?
[07:15] <intelikey> cheeby and farous can't automount  missing partitions....
[07:15] <intelikey> who
[07:15] <intelikey> apeman2020 who
[07:15] <cheeby> true enough.
[07:16] <cheeby> can't believe what a buncha bunk this is.
[07:16] <intelikey> testdisk maybe
[07:16] <farous> intelikey: if the partition table is corrupted that is a real problem agree
[07:16] <rOOb> !gtk
[07:16] <ubotu> gtk is the gimp toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and a lot of other applications
[07:16] <apeman2020> intelikey: i would like to see a list of all users currently configured on the machine using the terminal.
[07:17] <intelikey> testdisk might rebuild the partition table.
[07:17] <intelikey> apeman2020   cat /etc/passwd
[07:17] <intelikey> may need ot root that
[07:17] <farous> rOOb: are you looking for libgtk2.0-dev
[07:17] <rOOb> !im igth be
[07:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about im igth be - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:17] <rOOb> * i might be.
[07:19] <apeman2020> intelikey: thanks
[07:19] <rikioh> will windows media player wine cuz i think im gonna need it
[07:19] <rOOb> im trying to compile gtkradiant....and its erroring on this:
[07:19] <rOOb> No package 'gtkglext-1.0' found
[07:19] <rOOb> libs/gtkutil/glfont.cpp:25:29: error: gtk/gtkglwidget.h: No such file or directory
[07:19] <intelikey> apeman2020 now who's box you trying to hack ?
[07:20] <apeman2020> intelikey: maybe 15 years ago, but in my old age i have much more fruitful things to do with my time ;)
[07:22] <apeman2020> intelikey: any experience with cyrus?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> rOOb: apt-cache search gtkglext
[07:23] <Hawkwind> rOOb: Pick the one(s) you want to install from that list
[07:23] <farous> su
[07:24] <rOOb> ohh damn..thanks Hawkwind
[07:24] <Hawkwind> rOOb: You will probably want the -dev package(s)
[07:24] <farous> lol sorry worng chan
[07:24] <rOOb> yea
[07:26] <intelikey> apeman2020 no.
[07:31] <intelikey> i cant see to find the config that tells PAM to logout non-active logins...
[07:31] <intelikey> any clue ?
[07:31] <rikioh> what file do i have to edit to make wine think something is not installed
[07:32] <rikioh> cuz it thinks vodei is still installed and its not
[07:32] <rikioh> so i cant re wine it
[07:32] <rikioh> or reinstall it with wine
[07:32] <rikioh> cuz it says remove prevous version
[07:33] <rOOb> anyone have any idea on this...im clueless http://pastebin.ulteo.us/29
[07:36] <bimberi_> rOOb: try installing libmhash-dev
[07:37] <rOOb> bimberi_, ahh k am now
[07:37] <rOOb> woohoo thanks bimberi_ it got past it
[07:39] <bimberi_> rOOb: "cannot find -lmhash" led to a search on http://packages.ubuntu.com for packages containing files with 'mhash' in the name
[07:39] <rOOb> bimberi_, wow thanks...i will try that next time i encounter somthing like this
[07:39] <bimberi_> rOOb: np :)
[07:40] <scast> Today someone saw that I changed my workstation to kubuntu and asked why. I take 1 second to think and I got to the conclussion that I could probabbly emulate everything that ubuntu does but that would take time and effort that I don't have. I get taht for free and by defualt with kubuntu ^^
[07:42] <scast> Botton line: so far I love kubuntu
[07:42] <kosh> they probably asked why since you can apt-get install a single package and get the kubuntu setup ;)
[07:42] <rikioh> what the heck do i have to edit in wine to make it seem as if something isnt installed on my "pc" cuz i dont have the files for it to run the unistall but yet its still in my programs list when i try to install it so i cant install it
[07:43] <Healot> damn the explanation was too long
[07:43] <rikioh> cuz i have to "remove previous versions"
[07:43] <kosh> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:43] <deb> Hi *
[07:43] <kosh> that will get you kubuntu from running ubuntu
[07:43] <scast> kosh: I was in a archlinux-based workstation
[07:46] <kosh> scast: ah that makes sense then
[07:46] <kosh> scast: actually I went from debian sid to kubuntu with a reinstall
[07:46] <rikioh> if i uninstall wine then delete my wine folder
[07:46] <rikioh> then reinstall wine
[07:46] <rikioh> will that give me a fresh wine
[07:46] <scast> kosh: :-)
[07:46] <rikioh> cuz uninstall and reinstall doesnt
[07:48] <kosh> sudo apt-get remove --purge wine libwine
[07:48] <kosh> sudo apt-get install wine libwine
[07:49] <intelikey> kosh that wont affect userspace configs
[07:49] <intelikey>  ~/.wine/
[07:53] <kosh> that will get rid of all the wine specific stuff for the system
[07:53] <kosh> they use can just rm -rf .wine from their home dir to get rid of user specific things
[07:53] <kosh> well have fun I am off to bed
[07:54] <paul_> gnite koshi
[07:54] <scast> kosh: nite
[07:55] <intelikey> any of you know,  where to setup, if someone logs in and goes to sleep....  PAM gives them X seconds and logs them out ???
[07:57] <rikioh> no clue but kubuntu doesnt log me out when i go to bed
[07:57] <rikioh> i just wake up and move my mouse and there it is
[08:00] <paul_> intelikey: the second post on this page tells you how to do that: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205684
[08:00] <intelikey> paul_ ty.    'hope it's not gui howto'
[08:06] <scast> anyone have a link for a PostgreSQL setup/configuration on kubuntu?
[08:12] <intelikey> paul_ thanks for that link.  and that will probably work,  but i have no TMOUT verable in my /etc/profile and users still time out....     ;/
[08:16] <paul_> intelikey I havn't tried doing anything on the link and don't really know how to help except for you keep searching, sorry mate
[08:18] <intelikey> paul_ well i'm testing with adding a TMOUT veriable in my user .bashrc     i think i can over ride the default that way.    so the link was a good call.   tanks 'gin
[08:19] <paul_> no worries
[08:19] <intelikey> no over riding that....   -bash: TMOUT: readonly variable
[08:19] <paul_> hmm...
[08:21] <intelikey> found it    /etc/sysconfig/msec
[08:23] <csd> is kscope latest (1.3.4) in for dapper ?
[08:24] <csd> I can see it in edgy , but am bit worried bout trying it out.
[08:25] <intelikey> why are you 'edgy' about trying it ?    :)
[08:25] <draik> Good evening intelikey
[08:25] <csd> edgy pulls in xorg which is definitely broken.
[08:25] <intelikey> draik
[08:25] <csd> tried that once. don't dare to do it again any time soon :)
[08:26] <draik> spreading your wisdom across the channel, intelikey?
[08:26] <Tixer> can someone give me key combo's?
[08:27] <draik> Tixer, key combo's to what?
[08:27] <Tixer> like to show desktop, etc
[08:27] <Tixer> is there a list?
[08:27] <draik> Let me find you the webpage for keyboard shortcuts
[08:27] <intelikey> i personally don't have the band'narrowness' for running development version    and bleeding edge  never really stured me anyway.
[08:28] <draik> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html
[08:28] <intelikey> draik   if-n-i had any....
[08:28] <csd> intelikey: its going to come out pretty soon. Thats a bit worrying in a way. Oct is the mth for Edgy , right ?
[08:29] <draik> intelikey, Why so modest?
[08:29] <intelikey> !edgy
[08:29] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:29] <draik> Tixer, is that what you were looking for?
[08:29] <intelikey> csd yeah 10th month
[08:29] <Tixer> kde key combo's
[08:29] <Tixer> not konsole
[08:29] <draik> Tixer, here is the google search... http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+keyboard+shortcuts&btnG=Search
[08:30] <intelikey> draik honesty precludes boasting.
[08:31] <csd> btw any alternatives to kscope ?  I find redhat source navigator a bit too archaic.
[08:32] <draik> intelikey, while true, I am merely thanking you for what you have taught me
[08:32] <intelikey> noted.
[08:33] <csd> am off to try kscope from edgy. Wish me luck. Its too edgy thanks to the xorg instability.
[08:33] <Tixer> "When in doubt, consult the Keyboard Shortcuts application..."
[08:33] <intelikey> csd did you apt-cache search for it ?
[08:33] <Tixer> where might I find this?
[08:34] <csd> i have 1.2.0.0 from dapper default. but its buggy and old. its progressed way too much since then.
[08:34] <intelikey> Tixer menu  system settings   key*
[08:35] <intelikey> csd ah i se.
[08:35] <intelikey> see.
[08:35] <intelikey> si.
[08:36] <csd> sounds japanese. :)  Kde latest seemed slick. but not there yet.
[08:38] <intelikey> eee it's been too long; whats the name of the config file in XFree86 ?
[08:39] <intelikey> is XF86config ???
[08:39] <drormata> xorg.conf
[08:40] <intelikey> not xorg
[08:40] <intelikey> cfree
[08:40] <intelikey> xfree
[08:41] <intelikey> i think it's XF86config   and  XF86config-4   or something.
[08:41] <drormata> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:41] <drormata> It's been renamed in recent versions.
[08:41] <intelikey> i just explained that i'm not asking about xorg
[08:41] <drormata> ok.
[08:41] <Healot> that's for recent version
[08:42] <Healot> since Xorg replaced XFree86
[08:42] <intelikey> yes.   but this is  XFree86 version 4.2
[08:42] <intelikey> not *buntu
[08:42] <Healot> still /etc/X11/XF86config or /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:43] <intelikey> Healot thank you for the confirmation.
[08:44] <Healot> the config file location shall never change...
[08:45] <intelikey> yes but the file name is what i needed    i'm copying an xorg.conf to another distro and needed the file name seeing that there was no config files there yet.
[08:46] <Healot> btw, i am sure there are some incompatibilities between xorg settings and xfree's
[08:46] <intelikey> no  i've done this befor     with my setup there are no problems.
[08:47] <Healot> it is advised to configure the other distro Xfree with its configurator
[08:47] <intelikey> well old to new...  reversing that now.
[08:47] <intelikey> so i've been advised    :)
[08:48] <Jucato> hi draik!
[08:49] <draik> HI Jucato!
[08:49] <Jucato> darn my head's aching... :-(
[08:49] <draik> What were you doing, Jucato?
[08:50] <Jucato> sleeping... just woke up and my head's aching @_@
[08:50] <Jucato> has anyone found a solution yet to the HAL-media:/ problem in KDE 3.5.4??
[08:54] <draik> You think your head aches now, Jucato, I'm working on my gf's aunt's computer... it's winxp
[08:54] <Jucato>  @_@
[08:54] <draik> ----@_@--->
[08:54] <Jucato> Last night (night here... ) I had to use Windows XP coz my sister was downloading something in the background...
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> okayu everybody
[08:55] <draik> sorry Jucato
[08:55] <Jucato> she doesn't want to use anything but XP...
[08:55] <draik> ignorance... so sad
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> what do i need to install to vierw the mp4 of the apple dev conference?
[08:55] <Healot> Jucato, good for her :0
[08:56] <Jucato> Healot: yeah, it's a bit good, coz it means I wouldn't have to teach an old dog some new trick
[08:56] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: doesn't the libxine-extracodecs cover it?
[08:56] <scast> Jucato: works for me
[08:56] <Jucato> scast: awww... T_T
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> if i knew the answer to that wuestion i wouldnt be here asaking for help
[08:57] <Jucato> touche. point taken... @_@
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> im going to try and use vlc
[08:57] <scast> I have another problems with linux. My mic have never worked on linux. I managed to make it work on Audacity but it doesn't want to work in skype
[08:57] <draik> my gf just told me that she wants to get a laptop and to teach her to use linux
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> but i have no idea if it has the power to read mp4 streams
[08:57] <draik> I'M BLESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:58] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:58] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: try that. It might work. I found some media that won't play in Kaffeine that plays well in VLC or KPlayer
[08:58] <Jucato> draik: ehehe lucky you
[08:59] <Jucato> farous: which column in the Process Table (KSysGuard - Ctrl+Esc) shows the cpu %?
[09:00] <ninHer> hi all
[09:00] <farous> Jucato: not using ksysguard here try top in a terminal
[09:00] <Jucato> oh
[09:00] <farous> Jucato: i am using gkrellm coupled with fluxbox wm
[09:01] <Jucato> er.. can't understand the output.. :-D oh well
[09:02] <Jucato> cool!! I can see KDE, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu devs in our midst
[09:02] <scast> I hate ALSA.
[09:02] <farous> scast: i hate oss
[09:02] <scast> I hate OSS too.
[09:02] <farous> scast: so lets trace back what is your prob with alsa
[09:03] <Healot> don't use UNIX or GNU/Linux then
[09:03] <Healot> no ALSA, no OSS :)
[09:03] <scast> It does not let me use my microphone in 95% of the apps (the 5% left is Audacity only).
[09:03] <Jucato> hmm... my mic works in Kubuntu when I use TeamSpeak, but I can't seem to record anything in Audacity..
[09:04] <scast> Healot: I hate ALSA and OSS. Since when ALSA and OSS became Linux? rawr.
[09:04] <Jucato> scast: they are the only sound architectures available for Linux, AFAIK
[09:04] <Healot> true
[09:04] <scast> In fact I like ALSA. What I really hate is OSS.
[09:04] <scast> Is evil.
[09:04] <scast> Is old.
[09:04] <Healot> hating them is hating GNU/Linux hehe
[09:05] <farous> oss will be routed out by time
[09:05] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:05] <Healot> and hating linux is either loving Windows or MacOS :)
[09:05] <Jucato> or BSD or Solaris or....
[09:05] <scast> I think I should hate my sound card instead.
[09:05] <Jucato> scast: or your mic...
[09:05] <scast> I could get to love MacOS...
[09:05] <scast> Jucato: it works on windows and audacity.
[09:06] <Jucato> I could love BSD.. if I could only get to make it work :-D
[09:06] <farous> and the prob is that with hardware that do not support dmixing (greedy hardware manuf leeching on cpu power) mixinig is software done now
[09:06] <Jucato> scast: my mouse works in Windows and worked in any Linux that has a kernel older than 2.6.15-25
[09:06] <Jucato> so even if it worked in Windows, I replaced it :-D
[09:07] <Jucato> scast: your problem might just be a setup problem (crossing fingers...)
[09:07] <scast> On my old OS I spend 2 nights trying to get the mic work properly. I end up in the conclussion that god just hates me.
[09:07] <scast> on my old distro.
[09:08] <scast> Oh damn you Jucato and Healot, now you made me think of linux distro as OSs!
[09:08] <scast> -_-
[09:08] <Jucato> lol
[09:08] <Jucato> well... in a way, they are
[09:08] <shadeofgrey> okau Jucato i installe that package you recommended
[09:09] <shadeofgrey> now what do i use to play the file?
[09:09] <Healot> OSS is still useful for Solaris, and other UNIXes
[09:09] <scast> Jucato: am I freaking laughin?! I am serious dude. T_T
[09:09] <Jucato> From Ubuntu.com -- "Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system..."
[09:10] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: which one did you install? VLC, KPlayer, or libxine-extracodecs?
[09:10] <shadeofgrey> it plays in VLC -- but i dont get any video
[09:10] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:10] <Healot> one CD? still incomplete hehe
[09:10] <shadeofgrey> libxine-extracodecs is what i installed
[09:10] <scast> Now that I think about it... the fact that the mic works in audacity is good right?
[09:10] <Healot> many distro are going DVD for distributions, even though they still give out CDs ISO
[09:10] <shadeofgrey> but i jyust put in VLC and it will open thefilei just dont get video
[09:10] <Jucato> scast: yep. at least you know it's being detected
[09:11] <scast> Audacity uses OSS?
[09:11] <farous> alsa-oss is a great package for wrapping oss while using alsa :)
[09:12] <rikioh> got work in 4 hours good night guys
[09:12] <Jucato> night  rikioh
[09:12] <scast> night rikioh
[09:13] <scast> Dream about my mic working properly!
[09:13] <rikioh> ill see what i can do
[09:13] <rikioh> :)
[09:13] <scast> :)
[09:13] <Jucato> scast: is daydreaming about your mic working enough?
[09:13] <scast> farous: after instaling alsa-oss do i need to start/restart/stop something?
[09:14] <farous> scast: for any appl using oss
[09:14] <farous> that for play
[09:14] <farous> back
[09:14] <farous> just type aoss before it
[09:14] <scast> aoss skype
[09:14] <scast> for example?
[09:14] <farous> so aoss firefox
[09:14] <farous> ya
[09:15] <obf213> i might need to program for class in C what progma can i apt get
[09:15] <farous> aoss firefox for the flashplugin
[09:15] <obf213> typing c in apt get shows like 100 things
[09:15] <Jucato> obf213: do you just need a command line or a full IDE?
[09:15] <farous> obf213: kdevelop
[09:16] <obf213> farous kdevelop
[09:16] <Jucato> hmm.... is it normal that there is no mention of mp4's in our official wikis?
[09:16] <obf213> thanks
[09:16] <scast> the good thing... aoss doesn't work... the bad thing... there is no bad thing yet
[09:16] <scast> ---
[09:16] <scast> -_-
[09:17] <farous> scast: working fine here
[09:17] <intelikey> Healot you warned me.
[09:17] <farous> so yes seems god hate you ;)
[09:17] <intelikey> Section "InputDevice"
[09:17] <intelikey>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:17] <intelikey> not a recognized section name
[09:17] <Healot> ?
[09:17] <Healot> on what?
[09:17] <Jucato> is MP4 covered by the w32codecs?
[09:17] <scast> I think I should give up. Maybe this sound card only likes WIndows.
[09:18] <farous> scast: just one question was there a program that is using /dev/dsp when you tried aoss
[09:18] <intelikey> but XF86config  does prezactly the same thing... i think that was a but in the old XF86 4.2   configuration script.
[09:19] <scast> i have amarok open but not playing
[09:19] <scast> kmix too
[09:19] <farous> scast: lsof /dev/dsp
[09:19] <scast> ah wait a sec
[09:20] <intelikey> i remember this problem.    i had to install the distro's X configurator.   they had patched it. so it used the proper idintifier
[09:20] <Jucato> draik: I enjoyed/learned/listened more in the 2nd class than the 1st class
[09:21] <draik> Jucato, think you can send me a copy of that log?
[09:21] <draik> I missed it
[09:21] <draik> I knocked my laptop off my network and didn't log anything
[09:21] <Jucato> next time, I'm attending only that class that takes place in the morning here...
[09:21] <draik> :(
[09:21] <Jucato> oh sure
[09:21] <draik> LOL
[09:21] <scast> well the good thing is
[09:21] <scast> aoss works with firefox
[09:21] <draik> Did I send you my pdf for the class?
[09:22] <Jucato> err... not that I know of...
[09:22] <Jucato> how do I send the log to you?
[09:22] <draik> I guess I will have to send you the pdf once I finish adding whatever is in #2 that isn't/wasn't in #1
[09:22] <draik> email
[09:22] <pierreth> hello
[09:24] <draik> I think I'm a scientific annomily... I have to manually delete items from the registry in winxp... AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:25] <draik> I think I'm still sane enough to live through this
[09:25] <draik> maybe
[09:28] <pierreth> hello
[09:28] <pierreth> my fonts are small with kde applications, do you know why?
[09:29] <intelikey> oh this is cute.   something just hosed root access.  looks like a reboot for bonzo
[09:29] <Jucato> pierreth: try checking System Settings > Appearance > Fonts
[09:30] <pierreth> Jucato:  i should say that i am on xfce
[09:30] <Jucato> er...
[09:30] <Jucato> hmm...
[09:31] <farous> pierreth: open kcontrol
[09:31] <Jucato> farous: he's on Xfce
[09:31] <farous> and then set the font there
[09:31] <Jucato> ...
[09:31] <farous> Jucato: he can install kcontrol this is the easiest way
[09:31] <pierreth> farous: only my kde applications are having small fonts, menus are small
[09:32] <farous> Jucato: for he have prob with kde appls
[09:32] <Jucato> farous: point taken
[09:32] <farous> pierreth: you can install kcontrol it will not install lots of packages
[09:32] <pierreth> farous: OK i will do, thank you
[09:32] <farous> then you can run it you will not have the whole kde installed :)
[09:34] <pierreth> farous: :-)
[09:34] <farous> pierreth: i have fluxbox here and run a mix of gnome and kde applications
[09:35] <farous> just mixing what i prefer
[09:36] <pierreth> fluxbox?
[09:36] <farous> pierreth: a light weight window manager
[09:38] <pierreth> farous: lighter than xfce?
[09:38] <farous> yap
[09:39] <farous> pierreth: you should google wm
[09:39] <farous> the lightest is openbox but you sacrificy looks in favour of speed
[09:39] <pierreth> farous: i am looking at it now
[09:40] <Jucato> KWin... :-D
[09:40] <farous> icewm
[09:40] <farous> ;)
[09:40] <Jucato> KWin... :)
[09:40] <Jucato> lol
[09:40] <pierreth> lol
[09:40] <farous> :)
[09:40] <pierreth> i am running kwin now on mac os x
[09:41] <Jucato> pierreth: cool! (I think)
[09:41] <Arkkis> Okay, so has anyone got a similar setup to work nicely: AGP Nivida card with two different sizes crt's, pci nvidia graphics card for television
[09:41] <pierreth> sorry, no right now i am on quartz
[09:41] <pierreth> but i can do both
[09:41] <Arkkis> I'd like to watch movies from the television, it could be in it's own x session and the other two could be on twinview mode or similar
[09:42] <Arkkis> I'm having a truckload of problems with this setup
[09:42] <pierreth> good night!
[09:42] <Arkkis> starting from the problem that kubuntu install cd did not start while the pci card was attached
[09:42] <farous> night pierreth
[09:42] <farous> time to go here to :)
[09:42] <intelikey> Arkkis not any help to you but,  are you using the propriatary drivers  or the nv ?
[09:43] <Arkkis> I tried the nv driver, but even the two-agp screens did not work with it (x did not start)
[09:44] <intelikey> and the turtle shelld one now i guess
[09:44] <Arkkis> so, I tried the nvidia driver, and as my monitors are different sizes, I tried to have 1600*1200 and 1024*768 resolutions
[09:44] <Arkkis> but then the visible area of the screen was smaller than the screen size
[09:44] <intelikey> use both at the same rez   1024
[09:44] <Arkkis> making it to work weirdly with the mouse
[09:44] <Arkkis> that did not help either
[09:44] <Arkkis> it still scrolled like that
[09:45] <intelikey> Arkkis comment out vertual screen size   it'll stop the scrolling   i think
[09:46] <intelikey> i don't know why *buntu defaults to enable vertual rez.
[09:46] <Arkkis> hmm, okay, I'll have to test that when I get back home
[09:47] <kraut> moin
[09:47] <id_> hello
[09:48] <Arkkis> eventually I'd love to have xdm, two monitors 1600*1200, 1024*768 in one desktop and one separate session for television
[09:48] <timi> i downloaded kdevelop and i put in some sample c code but there was no option for build
[09:48] <timi> do i need to install something else
[09:49] <Arkkis> but getting just the two monitors to work looks seems hard enough, so I'll prolly have to buy an mediapc or something
[09:49] <Jucato> timi: install the package called "build-essential", you'll need it to compile from source
[09:49] <Jucato> I'm not sure where the Build button for KDevelop is, though.
[09:50] <timi> yeah thats all ready installed
[09:50] <timi> i just hit new copy and pasted the sample code and there was nothing under build but stop but it wasnt a option
[09:53] <intelikey> who was it that was wanting a trash can on their desktop ?
[09:54] <intelikey> i know how to put it there.
[09:55] <intelikey> goto ketchen get trash can carry it to.....   hehhe no really you can drag and drop a link to it from konq.   just type in trash://  then grab the tab and drag to desktop.
[09:56] <intelikey> change the icon as it likes you.
[09:56] <timi> anyone know how to use C
[09:56] <intelikey> only the key.
[09:56] <intelikey> C
[09:56] <intelikey> :)
[09:56] <timi> i mean kdevelop for c
[09:56] <timi> i found some sample code to test
[09:56] <intelikey> linky ?
[09:57] <timi> i pasted it, then im supposed to build it, but under build the option in not there
[09:57] <timi> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/blueberry/readport.c
[09:59] <intelikey> i prolly won't be any help with that.   i can't spake C/C++
[10:00] <intelikey> looking anyway
[10:00] <timi> do u know how to make the program work though
[10:01] <intelikey> i think i don't.
[10:01] <intelikey> not with that code anyway.
[10:02] <timi> ahh ok
[10:03] <intelikey> ./test.h:12: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function printf
[10:03] <intelikey> ./test.h:13: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function scanf
[10:03] <timi> how do u test it in the first place
[10:03] <intelikey> with gcc
[10:04] <timi> in kdevelp?
[10:04] <intelikey> no i tested it on the command line,  in gcc   but like i said i can't speak C
[10:05] <intelikey> so i'm not sure i did it right.
[10:05] <timi> o should i use gcc or kdevelop,
[10:11] <korgans> hello
[10:11] <korgans> how is everyone
[10:11] <intelikey> timi gcc is the gnu c compiler  i'm sure kdevelop uses gcc
[10:11] <Healot> gcc is da compiler, KDev is the IDE... you use both for building a C/C++ application :)
[10:12] <korgans> Anyone got that timestamp to far ahead error ?
[10:13] <korgans> And how do i know if 3d acceleration is enabled ?
[10:13] <abattoir> korgans: you recently re-set your time?
[10:13] <korgans> yup
[10:13] <Jucato> korgans: 3d acceleration: Alt+F2, then type in: glxgears
[10:13] <korgans> thx
[10:14] <korgans> if i see those wheel move cos i have it ?
[10:14] <Jucato> if they move smoothly
[10:15] <korgans> some slow down sometime
[10:15] <Jucato> so no 3d hardware acceleration
[10:15] <korgans> how do i enable it ?
[10:16] <Jucato> you need to install the non-free driver for your video card
[10:16] <korgans> im pretty new to linux
[10:16] <Jucato> what video card are you using?
[10:16] <korgans> nvidia fx7900 gt
[10:17] <Jucato> and you are using Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake)?
[10:17] <korgans> opps 7600*
[10:17] <korgans> yup
[10:17] <Jucato> you might want to try this guide: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[10:17] <korgans> ok thx
[10:17] <Jucato> follow method 1, it's the easiest
[10:17] <intelikey> !ati
[10:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:17] <korgans> i did it
[10:18] <korgans> earlier
[10:18] <Jucato> intelikey: who do we contact for suggestions about that specifc page of the wiki? (more specifically, the one for NVIDIA)
[10:19] <korgans> ohh think i had slow down cos of the update wheel turning smoothly now thx
[10:20] <intelikey> Jucato not sure.  ask in #ubuntu   maybe an opp on duty that can answer
[10:20] <Jucato> oh ok.
[10:21] <korgans> one more question if that doesnt bother you Jucato ?
[10:21] <Jucato> coz the funny thing about that wiki page, which we always recommend to people asking, is that there aren't any Kubuntu-specific instructions
[10:21] <Jucato> korgans: yep?
[10:21] <Jucato> wait... brb
[10:21] <ke> And another funny thing is, you can actually edit them yourself :)
[10:22] <korgans> ok how do i install the codec to be ale to play mp3 and all those video format ?
[10:22] <narvik86> !mp3
[10:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:22] <intelikey> Jucato the bot is 'u'buntu specific i fear.
[10:23] <narvik86> !mp3 > korgans
[10:23] <Jucato> yeah I think so
[10:23] <intelikey> we need a kbotu
[10:23] <korgans> hehe
[10:23] <Jucato> kubotu.. sounds good lol
[10:24] <Jucato> or at least, someone should update/request an update for that wiki page
[10:24] <intelikey> korgans you might want to look into  vlc  unless you think you dont want 'free free free'
[10:25] <korgans> Vlc is good do they support mp3 ?
[10:26] <korgans> Anyway il trynto manage myself thx a lot guys ;)
[10:26] <intelikey> vlc does many non-free formats without having to become a criminal ....
[10:26] <korgans> oh cool thx
[10:27] <intelikey>        ......
[10:28] <intelikey>      ............
[10:28] <intelikey>       ..  ....  ..
[10:28] <intelikey>        ............
[10:28] <korgans> You know how to install it on kubuntu they only tell how for ubuntu :P
[10:29] <id_> it is package, use adept
[10:29] <korgans> ok thx
[10:29] <korgans> from where i access it ?
[10:29] <intelikey> vlc ?    yeah it's in the repos
[10:29] <intelikey> !info vlc
[10:29] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[10:32] <korgans> !info adept
[10:32] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[10:32] <korgans> !info repository
[10:32] <ubotu> Package repository does not exist in dapper
[10:32] <Healot> !repos
[10:32] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:32] <Healot> like that
[10:33] <Jucato> !info Jucato
[10:33] <ubotu> Package Jucato does not exist in dapper
[10:33] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:33] <korgans> lol
[10:33] <korgans> dotn see vlc in adept
[10:34] <Jucato> korgans: you have to enable the universe repository
[10:34] <korgans> how ?
[10:35] <korgans> i feel like i need a shuttle to get there lol
[10:35] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:35] <draik> korgans, do you know how to get to your repositories?
[10:35] <Jucato> go to the section about adding Universe
[10:35] <korgans> no
[10:35] <korgans> ok
[10:35] <korgans> ;)
[10:35] <korgans> thx
[10:35] <draik> that will help you
[10:35] <Healot> In repository universe << enable the universe section of repos dapper, update and you'll see the list
[10:35] <Jucato> no problemo
[10:35] <draik> Thank you Jucato
[10:36] <Jucato> ^_^
[10:36] <Jucato> lol
[10:37] <intelikey> jucato   not the duck ???     lol
[10:38] <draik> I am a dragon
[10:39] <draik> night dragon
[10:39] <draik> Konqi is my homie!!!
[10:39] <Jucato> :D
[10:39] <draik> Konqi is the KDE dragon, right?
[10:40] <Jucato> yessss
[10:40] <Jucato> Katie (not Kate) is his girlfriend
[10:41] <intelikey> what does gshadow do ?
[10:42] <draik> Katie is Konqi's girlfriend, Kate is his illegitamate love child
[10:42] <Jucato> is there a way to stop Java from launching the applet in a separate borderless window?
[10:42] <Jucato> draik: lol!
[10:42] <korgans> see a list
[10:43] <korgans> but no vlc in the list
[10:43] <korgans> :(
[10:43] <Jucato> korgans: did you click on Fetch Updates after you enabled the universe repositories?
[10:43] <korgans> il try that ;)
[10:44] <korgans> My bad
[10:44] <intelikey> Jucato sure.  you could remove java.   but konq has a setting to disallow popups
[10:44] <korgans> late here
[10:45] <Jucato> intelikey: err... I need that Java applet. but it's launching in a separate borderless window rather than within the browser.
[10:45] <korgans> now that say break install when i install it
[10:45] <Jucato> I thought this was a default behavior, so I was surprised that it didn't happen in MEPIS
[10:45] <draik> Ugh
[10:46] <draik> working on this darn winxp machine is frustrating
[10:46] <draik> now the %windir%/config/system file is corrupted
[10:46] <Jucato> draik: coz you're too kind...:-D
[10:46] <draik> just peachy
[10:46] <korgans> Working on this wonderful linu built is frustrating when ya a noob(me)
[10:47] <korgans> why did it say break install ?
[10:47] <draik> Jucato, I really don't want to be a <enter own profanity> bad guy
[10:47] <intelikey> Jucato default for kubuntu  means the way kde is configured   check your konqueror settings.  i think you can force it to use a tab.
[10:48] <Jucato> korgans: when you choose "Request Install", try clicking on Preview Changes to see what is going to be removed... Just DON'T click on Apply Changes yet
[10:48] <Jucato> draik: hehehe
[10:48] <korgans> my install wont work
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: no, I meant that it's not supposed to even popup. It's supposed to launch within the same page, in the same tab, in the same window
[10:48] <korgans> say break
[10:49] <draik> I wish I had a metalic leg/foot so that I can literally kick this thing to the curb
[10:49] <Jucato> when it says break, click on Preview Changes
[10:49] <korgans> ok
[10:49] <intelikey> Jucato check settings.
[10:50] <Jucato> still checking :-D
[10:50] <korgans> ok did preview change
[10:50] <korgans> and what next ?
[10:50] <Jucato> is there a list, saying that some things will be removed?
[10:50] <korgans> nope
[10:51] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:51] <Jucato> ok now I'm stumped
[10:51] <korgans> !info break install
[10:51] <ubotu> Package break does not exist in dapper
[10:51] <korgans> lol
[10:51] <Jucato> !break
[10:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about break - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <korgans> Useless bot !!
[10:52] <korgans> lol
[10:52] <draik> !love
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about love - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <Jucato> !me
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about me - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <Jucato> rofl
[10:52] <draik> I hope that explains something to you korgans
[10:52] <Jucato> !you
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about you - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <draik> !Jucato
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about Jucato - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <draik> !draik
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about draik - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <Jucato> hmm... I think we're breaking rules by playing with ubotu
[10:53] <Jucato> ...
[10:53] <draik> LOL, probably right
[10:53] <draik> and it better now know anything about me if it knows what good for itself...
[10:54] <korgans> lol
[10:54] <intelikey> !myself
[10:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about myself - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:54] <korgans> adept wont let me install amnything they all ina break install status when i try wow
[10:54] <Jucato> err...
[10:54] <Jucato> korgans: check your repositories again, is almost everything grayed out?
[10:55] <draik> I'm gonna be in such a happy mood once I realize that this is just a dream... I am not near any winxp machines... I'm on Linux Island, home of the free...
[10:55] <korgans> i activated it
[10:55] <Jucato> which ones did you activate?
[10:55] <korgans> and put it on universe multiverse
[10:55] <Jucato> only one line?
[10:55] <Jucato> try to check if these lines are also grayed out
[10:56] <Jucato> "deb http://**.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted"
[10:56] <Jucato> ok... actually one line only... @_@
[10:57] <korgans> still dont work
[10:57] <Jucato> did you Fetch Updates again?
[10:57] <intelikey> korgans run these three commands an pastebin the output please.    lsb_release  &&  cat /etc/apt/sources.list  &&  sudo apt-get install -f
[10:57] <korgans> yup
[10:57] <Jucato> intelikey: how do you "pastebin"???
[10:58] <korgans> no lsb mosule available for first one
[10:58] <intelikey> !paste
[10:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:01] <intelikey> Jucato add a -a to the; lsb_release -a
[11:01] <Jucato> intelikey: not to me, to korgan :-D
[11:02] <korgans> il redo it :P
[11:02] <intelikey> yes.  misaddressed it.
[11:03] <korgans> pastebin how do i use it
[11:03] <Jucato> !paste
[11:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:03] <Jucato> go to that site
[11:04] <intelikey> you go to the url and paste in your text then hit the send and bring us the url it returns.
[11:05] <korgans> ok
[11:05] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19999
[11:06] <Jucato> er.. how about the other commands?
[11:06] <Jucato> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <Jucato> korgans: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <korgans> im doing it step by step
[11:06] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20001
[11:07] <Jucato> ehehe the "&&" means you could put them all in one line and they will be executed one after the other
[11:07] <Jucato> so that you won't have to do it one at a time and have 3 things to copy/paste ^_^
[11:07] <intelikey> hey it's my time your wasting,  take as long as you like.
[11:07] <Jucato> oh I see what's wrong
[11:08] <Jucato> you have to disable the lines in your repository with "deb cdrom:..."
[11:08] <wckdkl0wn> how to i tell what all is running on my system
[11:08] <korgans> ok
[11:08] <wckdkl0wn> i have a video playing i can still hear it but i cant find the running program to close
[11:08] <Jucato> wait not yet done
[11:09] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20002
[11:09] <intelikey> wckdkl0wn  ksysguard     xtop    top    ps -A x
[11:09] <draik> Is there an award for most patient during a rebuild of... dare I say... winxp
[11:09] <Jucato> korgans: ok, now disable the two lines that have "deb cdrom:..."
[11:09] <Jucato> draik: martyrdom
[11:10] <korgans> just did it
[11:10] <Jucato> the Fetch Updates
[11:10] <draik> Jucato, I don't wanna die, if I can possibly avoid that
[11:10] <Jucato> don't forget the little button that says Fetch Updates... ^_^
[11:10] <korgans> ok
[11:10] <korgans> next ?
[11:10] <Jucato> draik: no,I mean you will be called a martyr
[11:10] <Jucato> try installing vlc again
[11:10] <draik> martyrs usually die
[11:10] <Jucato> ehehe
[11:10] <wckdkl0wn> intelikey: ty
[11:11] <Jucato> you're almost dead anyway. :-D
[11:11] <korgans> did what y asked brother
[11:11] <draik> you ain't kidding
[11:11] <korgans> whats is next
[11:11] <Jucato> try installing vlc now
[11:11] <intelikey> korgans your sources.list is all messed up.   you don't have any "main"  or  "main-restrected"   if you comment out the cd     let me paste you a line or two.
[11:11] <Jucato> intelikey: he/she does have main and restricted
[11:11] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> intelikey: he/she does have main and restricted...
[11:12] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> it's below his "universe multiverse"
[11:12] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> err
[11:12] <Jucato> I sit corrected
[11:12] <Jucato> sorry intelikey...
[11:13] <intelikey> np
[11:13] <korgans> now im confused
[11:13] <Jucato> korgans: you already have the "deb cdrom" lines disabled right?
[11:13] <draik> why is nobody in #comedy? I need amusement
[11:13] <korgans> yes
[11:13] <Jucato> korgans: ok next
[11:14] <Jucato> you have these two lines at the top. make this line "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[11:14] <Jucato> look like this: "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:14] <Jucato> and the 2nd line "deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[11:15] <intelikey> korgans you should edit that file and put those three lines in it.  or make your look like those.     sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  and correct the problem  then do an sudo apt-get update     and you will be all fixed.    (close adept first.)
[11:15] <Jucato> like this; "deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:16] <intelikey> Jucato you install much source packages, or expect korgans too ?
[11:16] <intelikey> not that it matters.
[11:16] <intelikey> :)
[11:16] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. just editing what's already there...
[11:17] <intelikey> go ahead you are doing fine.  i'll stay out of the way.
[11:17] <Jucato> intelikey: nah, you go ahead, I'm trying to finish something else that I've supposed to have finished an hour ago
[11:18] <korgans> *korgands gone mad
[11:18] <korgans> to much info from different people :P
[11:18] <Jucato> that's why I'm keeping silent...
[11:19] <korgans> first 2 link is universe multiverse
[11:19] <intelikey> in 30 minutes my dl will be over and i'll quit lagging 20+ seconds.   and wont be so confusing.
[11:19] <korgans> second 2 link is restricted universe multiverse
[11:19] <korgans> ?
[11:19] <intelikey> add main restricted to that
[11:20] <intelikey> add main restricted to that first
[11:20] <intelikey> add "main restricted" to that first
[11:20] <korgans> ill resend ya a paste bin just to make sure ;)
[11:20] <intelikey> add "main " to that second
[11:21] <intelikey> just scroll up and re read what we have said.   i gave you three lines that sould bin in your sources.list.
[11:22] <intelikey> s/sould bin/should be/
[11:22] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20003
[11:22] <korgans> brb
[11:23] <intelikey> looking.    don't forget my lag time.
[11:24] <korgans> hehe
[11:25] <intelikey> remove line 6 & 7   and add these two.
[11:25] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:25] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:26] <intelikey> no.
[11:26] <korgans> ?
[11:26] <korgans> no ?
[11:26] <intelikey> now you got me lost.
[11:27] <Jucato> intelikey: if I may suggest something...
[11:27] <Jucato> just modify his sources.list, paste it in pastebin so that he could just copy it...
[11:27] <intelikey> Jucato i just sent him my sources.list.
[11:28] <Jucato> I'm presuming you are using the same servers? (us.archive.ubuntu.com)?
[11:28] <intelikey> or tried too... looks like he's having trubble with the get.
[11:28] <korgans> yeah
[11:28] <Jucato> er.. pastebin?
[11:29] <intelikey> no generic server  no national.
[11:29] <intelikey> i'll pastebin it.
[11:29] <korgans> how bout i clear it out
[11:29] <korgans> and remake it forn dust
[11:29] <korgans> from *
[11:30] <intelikey> korgans good.
[11:30] <korgans> il add all the link from that p[aste bin :P
[11:30] <korgans> with a pastebin no interference
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:31] <intelikey> can't pastebin that.  it's more than 80 char/line
[11:31] <korgans> hehe
[11:31] <intelikey> it'll get turncated.
[11:31] <korgans> only 3 link i need ?
[11:32] <narvik86> try www.wklej.org
[11:32] <intelikey> yep
[11:32] <korgans> crossing finger
[11:33] <Hotwire> you can on www.pastebin.it intelikey
[11:33] <korgans> workined thx !!
[11:33] <korgans> worked thx
[11:33] <korgans> thx a lot
[11:33] <korgans> korgans kiss intelykey
[11:34] <Healot> love?
[11:34] <korgans> lol
[11:34] <draik> you saw it here first folks!
[11:35] <korgans> dont see vlc in my lauching pad how do i start it ?
[11:35] <korgans> :D
[11:35] <ubuntu> /whois $me
[11:35] <ubuntu> :(
[11:35] <intelikey> it should be in the menu someplace  but  [alt] +[f2]  type vlc
[11:36] <korgans> forget to apply change should see it now lol
[11:36] <rudiz> K-menu > Multimedia
[11:36] <Firetech> humm... kpersonalizer wants to start everytime I login to KDE (3.5.4). I tried to revert to my pre-update backup of my ~/.kde, but after changing the stuff I had changed since  then (trivial stuff: new splash screen and wallpaper, and configured Crystal) it was back again...
[11:36] <korgans> thx all just forget to click the magic button ;)
[11:38] <intelikey> rudiz yeah i have vlc in menu > multimedia > vlc    i also have it in  menu > debian > apps > viewers
[11:39] <korgans> humm still dont see it in multimedia section grr
[11:40] <intelikey> control alter backspace
[11:40] <korgans> ok why my mp3 dont work but my aci file does ?
[11:40] <draik> Finally done with this crazy winxp machine
[11:40] <korgans> Avi *
[11:40] <Healot> hey come out and play
[11:40] <intelikey> alter control backspace
[11:41] <korgans> ok
[11:41] <korgans> ;)
[11:41] <korgans> thx a lot
[11:41] <Healot> I have this weird feeling that this P4 3.02 GHz is slower than my AMD Athlon XP 64-bit 2800+
[11:41] <intelikey> korgans i wasn't telling you to do that
[11:42] <korgans> lol
[11:43] <Healot> the RAM size is the same 512MB... except for this damned Novell Zen :-
[11:43] <korgans> I hate novell
[11:43] <intelikey> nosuid
[11:44] <intelikey> novell zen ?
[11:44] <intelikey> eats ram ?
[11:45] <Healot> yeah think so... plus this hogging OfficeScan, thanks this isn't my PC :-)
[11:46] <korgans> Hey intelikey  owe ya my life
[11:46] <korgans> lol
[11:46] <korgans> everything working well
[11:46] <intelikey> owe me nada.
[11:46] <korgans> hehe
[11:46] <intelikey> owe me  d'nada
[11:46] <korgans> Noe ime to attck cedega :P
[11:46] <korgans> now
[11:47] <korgans> I get rid of windows xp today
[11:47] <korgans> And happy with it :P
[11:47] <intelikey> i have like "67108864" 8 bit bytes of ram...   wow.
[11:48] <intelikey> sounds like a lot that way
[11:48] <intelikey> that's 64 meg  so you don't have to do the math
[11:50] <intelikey> and this system runs at just over 100000000 cycles per second.    wow !
[11:51] <korgans> ok someone know how to install Cedega by any chance ?
[11:51] <magical_trevsky> hi, I'm having trouble installing the non-free codecs following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:51] <intelikey> that sounds faster than .1ghz  don't it.
[11:51] <Four23619> 100 Mhz?
[11:51] <magical_trevsky> I get E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[11:51] <Healot> !multiverse
[11:51] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:52] <CVirus> !easysource
[11:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:52] <intelikey> Four23619 yessir.   100mhz 64m ran  no swap kde and all.
[11:52] <intelikey> installed on a 610m hdd
[11:52] <Four23619> whats KDE run like on that system?
[11:53] <intelikey> pretty good.  as long as you don't open more than three windows  or try to run oo.o  or gimp
[11:54] <Four23619> still, not too bad
[11:54] <Four23619> much better than what WinXP could do
[11:54] <Healot> sounds like Windows XP Starter Edition
[11:54] <intelikey> kpaint is ok   as long as the file is not too big.
[11:55] <intelikey> and vlc in the console  i can watch avi's flawlessly.
[11:55] <Four23619> Linux can scale easy, compared to the bloat that is Windows
[11:56] <intelikey> but not while kde is running.   i can with twm tho.
[11:56] <intelikey> twm weighs like next to nothing.
[11:56] <intelikey> 600k foot print in ram   or there about.
[11:57] <Four23619> im thinking of trying the lightweight window managers sometime
[11:57] <Four23619> though... i like KDE
[11:57] <Healot> still Linux kernel is monolithic... great for static hardware config :)
[11:58] <intelikey> oh and the gfx card is an old s3 pci with 2m of on board and no shared ram.
[11:58] <intelikey> i like kde to.   and it's not realy that heavy.  gnome is harder on that box than kde is.
[11:59] <Four23619> oh?
[11:59] <Four23619> hmm
[11:59] <Four23619> i would have though the oppisite, maybe
[11:59] <Four23619> just everyone is always saying how 'slim' Gnome is etc
[12:00] <intelikey> yeah i get told that a lot.   but the proff is in the pudding.
[12:00] <korgans> i used gnome and i cans ay that kde is way better
[12:00] <korgans> All gnome base interface gived me prob
[12:01] <intelikey> korgans i can say the same.  but that is just openion.  and we all have them.  but they don't all agree.  :)
[12:01] <Four23619> cant wait for KDE 4
[12:01] <korgans> heh true
[12:01] <korgans> hey intelikey can ia sk for one more thing ?
[12:01] <korgans> can you help me with my cedega instal ?
[12:01] <korgans> file name look like this
[12:01] <intelikey> Four23619 i'm of the old school.  if it aint broke, don't fix it.   new software don't instrest me much.
[12:01] <korgans> cedega-engine-5.2.4-local-update.i386.cpkg
[12:02] <korgans> As long as somthing working why update it
[12:02] <korgans> toytally aggreed with intellikey
[12:02] <intelikey> cpkg ?
[12:02] <korgans> yup
[12:02] <intelikey> url you got that from ?
[12:03] <korgans> humm actually get it form the back door :P
[12:04] <magical_trevsky> hi, I'm trying to adjust the clock on my system, and after I put in my password, I get an error saying 'conversation with su failed'.. any ideas?
[12:04] <jott> korgans: you need to install the base package first
[12:04] <korgans> ?
[12:04] <jott> korgans: the installed cedega gui lets you install this cpkg
[12:04] <korgans> oh ok
[12:05] <jott> they offer deb's for download...
[12:06] <korgans> any link ?
[12:06] <Jucato> KDE 4...
[12:06] <jott> korgans: uhm its commercial so you have to pay for it
[12:06] <Four23619> indeed
[12:06] <Four23619> KDE 4 sounds awesome
[12:06] <korgans> My main objective is to gte eve online running on linux
[12:06] <korgans> get
[12:06] <korgans> Abd fully working
[12:06] <jott> korgans: only way around is a custom build from their svn repository.. but its missing some features..
[12:07] <korgans> and where do i find it ?
[12:07] <jott> korgans: so easiest (legal) way is to buy a subscription and get theier binary packages as they are very easy to use and install
[12:08] <korgans> i was ythinking bout wine but eve online buggy on it
[12:08] <korgans> hehe ill try the demo then :P
[12:09] <jott> korgans: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Cedega%20CVS maybe this helps...
[12:11] <Jucato> go go go intelikey!!
[12:11] <intelikey> !ati
[12:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <draik> intelikey, would you be able to explain "piping" to me?
[12:17] <Jucato> !pipe
[12:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about pipe - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:17] <intelikey> what gives.   'wall'  doesn't broadcast to X anymore....
[12:17] <Jucato> !|
[12:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about | - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:17] <draik> <command A> <options A> | <command B> <options B>
[12:18] <Healot> i prefer potting :)
[12:18] <draik> very well, Healot, can you explain potting to me?
[12:19] <Jucato> lol
[12:19] <CVirus> draik: FGI
[12:19] <intelikey> draik any app that can read stdin  can be piped to   for and example of how it works try this   type  echo '   and hit the return.   then add some lines of text starting one if them with #  then   ' | grep '#'
[12:19] <Jucato> pipe = smoking; pot = smoking pot
[12:19] <Healot> hehe
[12:19] <Healot> even Linux can relate to drug abuse ;-
[12:20] <CVirus> yeah .. and n00bz spoon feeding too
[12:20] <CVirus> :-p
[12:20] <intelikey> draik the output of the echo command will then be piped into 'grep' and it in turn will filter everything that has no # in it.
[12:20] <draik> Jucato, remember.. piping something is different than piping someone!
[12:20] <korgans> lol
[12:20] <Jucato> lol! wasn't my idea
[12:20] <korgans> hey guys thx again good nite'
[12:20] <korgans> late here
[12:20] <korgans> 6 am
[12:20] <korgans> didnt sleep yet :P
[12:20] <korgans> time for me to say goodbye
[12:21] <korgans> hehe
[12:21] <CVirus> its 1:20pm and I havet slept yet too :-p
[12:21] <korgans> thx again
[12:22] <intelikey> draik a pipe is simular to a redirect in many ways.   echo 'bob' > file    and it will make a new file called file containing the word bob        while  echo bob | file    would  pipe the word bob to the app 'file' which if a file named bob existed in the $PWD it would report on that file.
[12:24] <Healot> | << binary or
[12:25] <draik> I'm still trying to work out the echo part
[12:25] <Healot> & << binary AND
[12:28] <intelikey> draik the reason for all the examples is to show the basics of piping and redirecting.   here is a prcaticle use example;    apt-cache show $( dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 ) > long.list        that would create a file named long.list in the $PWD that contains the package information for each and every installed package on your system.   but omit anything broked or removed or not installed.
[12:29] <intelikey>  apt-cache show $( dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 ) > long.list
[12:29] <intelikey> what's to get dizzie about ?
[12:29] <Jucato> trying to decipher it
[12:29] <Jucato> I'm not that familiar with the grep command
[12:29] <ricardo> does somebody uses conky? can somebody explain what linkstatus means? (besides the obvious "the link status for wireless connections")
[12:30] <intelikey> it runs apt-cache show on the out put of the $( command )
[12:31] <draik> Holy dingleberry bush buttman, That's alot of shiite installed
[12:32] <Jucato> lol
[12:33] <intelikey> within the $( )   dpkg -l  lists all installed packages broken or otherwise    piping it to  grep -e ^ii   will filter out any line not starting with  ii    piping it to  cut -d' ' -f3   will use the space char as a delimiter and output the third field  i.e. what ever is between space 2 and 3    which will be the package names.
[12:33] <Jucato> last count, I have 1469 packages installed
[12:33] <draik> It's 335am-ish... I have to be up in 2.5 hours... Thank you all for your help, laughs and /etc.
[12:34] <Jucato> sure! see you around
[12:34] <Jucato> or in 2.5 hours... :-D
[12:34] <intelikey> Jucato dpkg -l | wc -l
[12:34] <draik> Good night Jucato
[12:34] <draik> Thank you intelikey
[12:34] <intelikey> actually minus three i think
[12:34] <Jucato> word count... @_@
[12:34] <intelikey> yep -l lines
[12:35] <draik> Goodnight Healot
[12:35] <Jucato> er.. something's not right..
[12:35] <Healot> good night
[12:35] <intelikey> i have 1020 installed according to that  but it's really 1017
[12:35] <Jucato> dpkg says I have 1481 packages installed (even if -3, that still 1478
[12:36] <Jucato> but Adept says it's 1469
[12:36] <Jucato> Adept and Synaptic say 1469
[12:36] <intelikey> some may not be ii  you can add the grep of the first example.
[12:37] <Jucato> ah that's more like it
[12:37] <Jucato> "dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 | wc -l"
[12:37] <Jucato> wonder what the other 9-12 packages are...
[12:38] <CAP9153> hi people
[12:38] <intelikey> the cut is useless there
[12:38] <Jucato> hi CAP9153
[12:38] <CAP9153> i have some problem with kubuntu
[12:38] <Jucato> intelikey: ehehe! i just copied and pasted...
[12:38] <CAP9153> i tried to installa XGL
[12:38] <CAP9153> and now it hangs on startup
[12:39] <CAP9153> someway to go back?
[12:39] <intelikey>  dpkg -l | grep -ve '^ii'| wc -l   <<< that would reveal the error to adjust by.   and     dpkg -l | grep -ve '^ii'     would explain why.
[12:39] <jott> the "wc -l" is also useless ;)
[12:39] <jott> use -c
[12:39] <jott> on grep
[12:40] <intelikey> jott not if all you want is the number     oh with the grep yes... but it didn't start with a grep in it.
[12:40] <jott> intelikey: always funny: http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/~era/unix/award.html ;)
[12:40] <intelikey> and the lesson was on using pipes and practical application of them.
[12:41] <Jucato> :-D
[12:41] <Jucato> the most useless example of piping I could think of: "echo $HOME | cat" :-P
[12:42] <intelikey> add a | tr [A-Z]  [a-z]    to the end of that and you have it.
[12:43] <Jucato> lol
[12:43] <intelikey> lol
[12:43] <intelikey> :)
[12:43] <Jucato> --help is ever so helpful...
[12:44] <intelikey> echo $((1024*32))
[12:44] <intelikey> bash math
[12:44] <Jucato> lol I have an easier way to output that... Alt+Space (Katapult) or Alt+F2...
[12:45] <Jucato> what would happen if you made a division by 0 in bash?
[12:45] <intelikey> it errors out
[12:45] <Jucato> whew
[12:45] <Jucato> thought it would crash
[12:45] <Jucato> lol
[12:45] <intelikey> echo $((1/0))
[12:45] <intelikey> -bash: 1/0: division by 0 (error token is "0")
[12:45] <jott> it crashes the linux kernel ;p
[12:45] <Hagus> I would like to use Yahoo Messenger in kubuntu.  Does anyone have it installed on their kubuntu already?
[12:46] <Jucato> Hagus: have you tried Kopete?
[12:46] <Healot> bash is good at math
[12:46] <Hagus> Yes - it does not let me into Chatrooms.
[12:46] <Jucato> hmm..
[12:46] <Pupeno> that's why I use Jabber.
[12:47] <Hagus> Only person to person but not into irc-style rooms
[12:47] <Hagus> Does jabber let you into chatrooms?
[12:47] <Jucato> but wouldn't Jabber only be useful if the people you will be talking to are also using Jabber?
[12:48] <intelikey> Jucato don't let them talk you int running something like this   echo ` :(){ :|:& }; : `     <<<< on the surface it looks hareless.  do be taken in by it.   the backward quote mark '`' means execute
[12:48] <Hagus> From Windows, I can chat in rooms and voice chat there.
[12:48] <Healot> i miss japan 1 on yahoo! chat
[12:48] <intelikey> s/do/don't/
[12:48] <Jucato> intelikey: and s/int/into
[12:48] <Jucato> :-D
[12:48] <Jucato> thanks for the warning
[12:49] <Jucato> how about the (echo ') command? (no quotes)
[12:50] <Jucato> s/quotes/parenthesis
[12:50] <intelikey> just starts a multiline echo
[12:50] <intelikey> echo '
[12:50] <intelikey> these lines
[12:50] <Jucato> how do I exit from it? Ctrl+C only?
[12:50] <intelikey> '
[12:50] <intelikey> like that ^
[12:50] <intelikey> '
[12:51] <Jucato> ooh
[12:51] <Jucato> thanks!
[12:51] <intelikey> same as    echo "
[12:51] <intelikey> this one
[12:51] <intelikey> "
[12:51] <intelikey> you can set verables that way too
[12:51] <intelikey> BLAH="a
[12:51] <intelikey> b
[12:51] <intelikey> v
[12:51] <intelikey> "
[12:52] <Jucato> "Welcome to intelikey's BASH 101 class. if you have questions, please /msg intelikey and your questions will be put n a queue for the end of the class"
[12:52] <intelikey> ehco $BLAH
[12:52] <intelikey> p
[12:52] <intelikey> b
[12:52] <intelikey> v
[12:52] <jott> oh and '' is not ""
[12:52] <jott> '' will not escape while "" does
[12:52] <intelikey> jott no but they are growing closer togathere all the time.
[12:53] <jott> sure just to make it clear ;)
[12:53] <Jucato> er.... how do I delete BLAH now?
[12:53] <jott> like echo '$PATH' vs. echo "$PATH"
[12:53] <intelikey> BLAH=
[12:53] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:53] <intelikey> or unset BLAH
[12:53] <Jucato> I really need to do more BLAH reading
[12:53] <Jucato> err...
[12:53] <Jucato> s/BLAH/BASH
[12:54] <intelikey> jott try  echo '#!/bin/sh'
[12:54] <jott> so what? ;)
[12:55] <Jucato> thank goodness for logs! I can keep these as my notes! :-D
[12:55] <intelikey> so in eariler versions of bash you could do that without it inturpreting it.
[12:55] <Jucato> so if anything happens to my system when executing those commands, I know who to hunt down :-D
[12:56] <intelikey> lol
[12:56] <intelikey> Jucato heres what i think of that.    perl -e '$??s:;s:s;;$?::s;;=] =>%-{<-|}<&|`{;;y; -/:-@[-`{-};`-{~" -;;s;;$_;see'
[12:57] <jott> oh didn't we mention: target of todays class is how to delete ones home directory ;)
[12:57] <Jucato> lol
[12:57] <intelikey> that will do it   ^
[12:57] <Jucato> I'm definitely not going to execute that intelikey :-D
[12:57] <intelikey> ah it just wipes out ~
[12:57] <intelikey> no real damage.
[12:57] <Jucato> bwahaha
[12:57] <Jucato> oh.. it's not real damage
[12:57] <Jucato> it's only virtual damage
[12:58] <intelikey> lol
[12:58] <Jucato> and I'm just typing virtual text
[12:58] <Jucato> in a virtual room
[12:58] <intelikey> no just a full reset to like it was when you first installed.
[12:58] <Jucato> intelikey: noooo! I spent hours getting everything the way I just like it
[12:58] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:59] <Jucato> rawr
[12:59] <pascal_> How come the incons in the statusbar is one line instead of two lines of icons when I upgrade to the new kde?
[12:59] <intelikey> then don't run that one   ^
[12:59] <Jucato> pascal_: right-click on the panel > COnfigure panel > set size to Custom, then 48
[12:59] <jott> don't run anything you do not understand ;)
[01:00] <intelikey> 48    yuch,  only with auto hiding.
[01:00] <Jucato> it's weird that KDE 3.5.2 and below would allow 2 rows of icons in the system tray using the Normal size
[01:00] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't have panels... unless I go to the top and bottom edges. :-D
[01:00] <intelikey> jott ah if you don't care about ~   most things that are 'mal' are no big deal.
[01:01] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 thinks Normal size is too small to accomodate two rows of icons...
[01:01] <intelikey> like i said only with autohiding.
[01:01] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean "only with autohiding"?
[01:01] <jott> intelikey: sure but ~ sometimes has important stuff in it ;) .. imagine stealing your .ssh dir when you use public key authentification ;)
[01:02] <intelikey> jott imagine not using public keys
[01:02] <jott> intelikey: i can't thats beyond my imagination ;)
[01:03] <intelikey> ;/
[01:03] <intelikey> well i think i just left,  i better run see if it was me...
[01:03] <Jucato>  @_@
[01:03] <Jucato> time for me to leave as well
[01:03] <Jucato> I'm getting hungry
[01:04] <Jucato> ^_^
[01:04] <jott> me too ;)
[01:04] <Jucato> bye!! be back in about 1-2 hours. hehehe!
[01:05] <ninHer> hi all
[01:07] <pascal_> jucato wow, that is strange. How come it changed when I made it smaller?
[01:08] <pascal_> jucato Anyway it works perfect now, thanks
[01:11] <intelikey> hey jott are you the one that pointed me to that page of 'useless use of'  ?
[01:12] <intelikey> jott ?
[01:13] <intelikey> the writer of the page is not as smart as he/she thinks.   look at the   useless use of ls *   section.
[01:15] <intelikey> all i can say about it is.    BUZZZ! wrong answer.     ls *  !=  echo *    and   ls *  !=  *       very very different.
[01:16] <intelikey> extreemely different.
[01:25] <vauteh> hello everybody
[01:26] <vauteh> i have a stupid problem. i created a network folder with knetattach and it worked and is nice, but _how_ do i remove it? it is in system:/remote - right clicking there is no remove or something.
[01:28] <kOpter> Yello :) Is there anyway to edit the system menu?
[01:28] <kOpter> I want to add a place...
[01:30] <shadeofgrey> hello everyone.  would someone please point me in the direction of information as to how i set global keybnoard shortcuts for launching specific applications and what not?
[01:31] <no0tic> hi, how to set up a wpa wlan connection under kubuntu dapper?
[01:31] <shadeofgrey> im a very physiocally handicapped individual and can only move one arm and hand.. i type with three fingers on my left hand and was only successful at using regular ubuntu because it was so easy to saet keyboard sjhorcuts for everythig i needed to foi
[01:31] <paines> shadeofgrey, right klick on the K in the menu and put a keyboard short cut for the specific kommand
[01:31] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: go to systemn settings -> networking
[01:32] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, k
[01:33] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, I can't find wpa settings
[01:35] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: go tyo the main k menu
[01:35] <shadeofgrey> then select the line that says system settikngs
[01:35] <Bazzi_> Riddell: are you there?
[01:35] <hagus> Can anyone tell me how to go about doing what the following warning tells me?
[01:35] <hagus> Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
[01:35] <hagus>       components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[01:36] <shadeofgrey> then - the third section of options doiwn from the top has a iconm that readscolnnerctionms and network settings almost right next to each other
[01:36] <shadeofgrey> thats where you'lkl find what you need.
[01:36] <Riddell> Bazzi_: hi
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: if that doesnt help you i highly recommend that you google "kubuntu forums" and "kubuntu wiki"
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> they both have tons of information that many of the peoplr here dont have the time to into with you in depth becayuse we're allworking
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> remember its a weekjday
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> and its early
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> lots of the good support people domnt even get up or anything until after the sun sets
[01:38] <Bazzi_> Riddell: can you tell me why the gnome updates are in dapper-updates but your kde 3.5.4/koffice etc packages are not? and neither in backports?
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> im only up this early because i had to stayup all nmight.
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> all ther really good coders users and testers are all half vampire
[01:38] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, :D here are 1 PM :)
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> except they drink cola and chocolate milk rather than blood
[01:39] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, np
[01:39] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, searchin'
[01:39] <Riddell> Bazzi_: backports isn't functioning.  the criteria for dapper-updates is very strict and there's been some regressions with the KDE updates such that I didn't want to put them into updates
[01:39] <hagus> shadeofgrey: how do I remove xpti.dat from the components directory of my Firefox browser?
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> og hey
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> no:  i juyst found exactly what your looking for
[01:39] <Bazzi_> Riddell: oh, ok (updates) and why is backports not functioning? :(
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> right click on the kicon that opens up the main menu
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> click onm menu editor
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> then open up the area that says "Intrernet applications" from the list and then select wireless lan manager and assign it a custom keyboard shortcut
[01:40] <Riddell> Bazzi_: soyuz doesn't support it, it's very frustrating
[01:40] <hagus> I cannot see menu editor
[01:41] <Bazzi_> Riddell: hmm :( ok thanks then.
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  my suggestioon would be to open konkeror -- then go to view, and then select show hidden files and folderds -- then navigarte to the directory holding firefocx and look fior it that way.  itys a .dat file which means its most likely hidden by default so that you cant delete it without workingh really hard to do it - because if its a dat its really important and coulkd conceivably break your firefix insyallation
[01:42] <hagus> It was when I installed the Flash Player that the warning came up.
[01:46] <ubuntu> hello
[01:50] <shadeofgrey> okay gutys how do i set keyboard shortcuts for the session lock and system shutdown buttons?
[01:50] <hagus> thanks - your suggestion worked perfectly for me, shadeofgrey :)
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  your more than welcome
[01:51] <hagus> As you will have realised from my question to you earlier, I am a complete newbie to linux :)
[01:51] <kOpter> Yello :) Still working on the System menu.. I added a link to /usr/share/apps/systemview , which works, but when i click it, it tries to open system:/mylink
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  all i assdk is that for every time i help you that you take the time to help someone elsw
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> hagus: we're all on the same team and i feel that theres only one way to treat friends - and thatsd like family..
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> so whenever you have the opportunity help somebody else out and thwen encourage them to do the same.  we're all in it together. y'know?
[01:52] <hagus> That really is a good outlook, shadeofgrey :)
[01:53] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  its the only worthwhile outlok in my opinion.  if everybvody took five minutes out of the day to help somebodfy then everybody would learn one thing every day and we'd be able to get more and more people to realize that theres life beyond windows
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> and that admitting you use microsoft tedchnologies is the fiurst step toward a full recoverty
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> ill be riyght back everybody
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> i just took four purgocets and want nicotine real bad
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> ill be riyght back
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> hagus - if you need anything else send me a private message and ill help you when i get back from my date with lkung cancwer
[01:56] <kOpter> shadeofgrey > Just add a keyb shortcut to the menu-item
[01:57] <_fernando> ciao a tutti
[02:01] <Dasnipa`> how do you reconfigure your sound card driver when you install a new sc?
[02:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[02:08] <Jucato> howdy!
[02:08] <Jucato> pretty silent here :-D
[02:08] <Hobbsee> just a bit, yeah
[02:09] <Dasnipa`> how do you reconfigure your sound card driver when you install a new sc?
[02:09] <Jucato> probably good... it means less people having Kubuntu problems..
[02:09] <lhds> hellooo guys guys i have a apci problem and when i boot i have a bios bug my tv card doesnt read in dmesg with apci=off in grub and without it ... do you advise me to download and compile the latest kernel from kernel.org? will that solve things?
[02:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, stillm trying get rid of wine since non of the programs I want to use it with can run the required DLLs ...may as well just dump it...if I can
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> lhds: Have you installed the latest bios update ?
[02:10] <fariborz> hallo
[02:10] <fariborz> hi all
[02:11] <fariborz> anyone able to help me?
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> lhds: Compiling any kernel later than 2.6.16 on dapper will give you problems but you could try that
[02:12] <fariborz> is someone there who can help me regarding installation of vmplayer in kubuntu?
[02:13] <BluesKaj> I think it's listed in the non supported repos like automatix, fariborz
[02:14] <BluesKaj> maybe easyubuntu
[02:14] <fariborz> and what  does mean that?
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> !info vmplayer
[02:14] <ubotu> Package vmplayer does not exist in dapper
[02:14] <Jucato> !info vmware-player
[02:14] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.1-4 (dapper), package size 11563 kB, installed size 31248 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[02:14] <fariborz> oh it exists
[02:14] <fariborz> exatly
[02:14] <Jucato> you have to enable multiverse in your repository
[02:14] <fariborz> i have downloaded it but during the installation it hangs
[02:14] <fariborz> i have done it jucato
[02:14] <Jucato> hmm..
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> You need to build the kernel module (if there is no precompiled on there)
[02:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure you mean vmpalyer and not mplayer fariborz
[02:15] <fariborz> after downloading the vmware-player it starts with the installation
[02:15] <fariborz> yes i am sure
[02:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[02:15] <BluesKaj> why not use mplayer in kubuntu ?
[02:16] <fariborz> and then it appears a window where i have to accept the term of licenses. its like a terminal within dapper
[02:16] <fariborz> but whenever i  press return nothing happens
[02:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: huh?
[02:16] <fariborz> the same ok appeared during installation of lilo and i could hit return
[02:17] <BluesKaj> why bother with vmware at all if yer gonna run mplayer?
[02:17] <fariborz> i dont know mplayer.
[02:17] <fariborz> what is this?
[02:17] <Jucato> BluesKaj: he never mentioned anything about mplayer
[02:17] <Jucato> fariborz: how about trying to install it within Konsole?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> isn't it the same thing ?
[02:18] <fariborz> maybe i have to do this ur right
[02:18] <fariborz> do i have to download the packate from vmware website directly?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> wow , confusing
[02:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: vmware-player = VMWare Player, sort of like VMWare Server and VMWare Workstation
[02:19] <fariborz> blueskaj i done know any program  called mplayer
[02:19] <jott> thats a bug in adept as it seems
[02:19] <fariborz> i think so jott
[02:19] <fariborz> i have tried it several time. each time the same problem
[02:19] <lhds> can i get bios information version and technical info from within linux prompt?
[02:19] <jott> just use aptitude / apt-get
[02:19] <BluesKaj> OK gotcha Jucato..
[02:19] <fariborz> whats this ??
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> That problem doesn't affect aptituede (sudo aptitude install vmware-player)
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> you may need sudo dpkg --configure vmware-player
[02:20] <jott> fariborz: maybe you could write a bug report...
[02:21] <fariborz> so u mean "sudo  dpkg -i and then the name of the package?
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jott: The same problems exists with java (I am sure it is already known)
[02:21] <Jucato> fariborz: no. sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[02:21] <jott> h3sp4wn: hm ok probably..
[02:21] <jott> h3sp4wn: never used adept so far ;)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jott: I don't have it installed
[02:22] <fariborz> you mean the install is a parameter
[02:22] <fariborz> vmware-player should be the name of a file ?
[02:22] <Jucato> it's the name of the VMWare Player package
[02:23] <lhds> guys get the vmware workstation 4.3 and search for the serial in astalavista.box.sk it just works
[02:23] <fariborz> the vmware player package do i have to download it ?
[02:24] <Jucato> fariborz: no. apt-get will do that for your. apt-get is the command line equivalent of Adept
[02:24] <lhds> go to vmware website register email to download and download the 40 mb bz2 file with the install notes documentation its a 4 mb pdf file
[02:25] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install vmware-player is the same as installing it through Adept
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> Or use cmware server (that is free)
[02:25] <lhds> jucato whats the player? it differs from the workstation?
[02:25] <jott> lhds: you can't create a new vm
[02:25] <Jucato> lhds: yep
[02:25] <jott> lhds: but load/run existing ones
[02:26] <Jucato> lhds: the player is just a playah! :-D
[02:26] <lhds> erm can i reinstall ubunto over an existing install without loosing dir architecture and private files?
[02:26] <fariborz> ok  its going
[02:26] <fariborz> its doing something
[02:27] <Jucato> fariborz: it will download, then install
[02:27] <fariborz> y i think so
[02:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, still trying get rid of "wine" since none of the programs I want to use it with can run the required DLLs ...may as well just dump it...if I can ...but I don't know what commands to use since it resides in the debian folder in the k-menu ..HELP!
[02:27] <fariborz> its searching for probien unused private subnet
[02:28] <fariborz> module vmnet was not loaded. program aborted
[02:29] <Jucato> ....
[02:30] <fariborz> :(
[02:30] <Jucato> i'm stumped
[02:31] <BluesKaj> well the Jucato, how do I get rid of wine?
[02:32] <fariborz> blue how can i do that?
[02:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: AFAIK... just remove/uninstall wine, then delete everything in the ~/.wine directory :-D
[02:32] <Jucato> then delete the K Menu entries for Wine Programs
[02:32] <Jucato> messy, but effective...
[02:33] <fariborz> and it is enough to just install the wine?
[02:33] <Jucato> fariborz: he's asking about UNinstalling wine
[02:34] <fariborz> i mean if i install wine. can i then use windows program on my laptop?
[02:34] <Jucato> fariborz: not all.
[02:35] <fariborz> do i need additional libraries or is it   enough only the installation from adept?
[02:35] <Jucato> http://appdb.winehq.org/ <--- has some of the things you can run in Wine
[02:35] <Jucato> fariborz: it depends. some Windows programs would run in Wine without the need to copy/install DLLs. Some do
[02:36] <Jucato> it's a hit and miss thing I think
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah , like nero
[02:39] <BluesKaj> it won't run , unless you set up a fake registry for the dlls
[02:39] <fariborz> how can i do it?
[02:39] <BluesKaj> finally got tovid to work so nero isn't needed anylonger
[02:40] <BluesKaj> dunno fariborz, beyond me
[02:40] <fariborz> lol
[02:40] <vursitis> does anyone know the command to stop the GUI in KDE?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> vursitis: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:40] <vursitis> thankyou
[02:40] <Jucato> vursitis: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace would also restart the GUI
[02:40] <vursitis> ah, much quicker
[02:41] <Hobbsee> true
[02:43] <fariborz> so i have installed wine
[02:43] <fariborz> i think i have to reboot until i get any menuitem
[02:44] <Jucato> fariborz: no
[02:44] <fariborz> oh
[02:44] <fariborz> so why i dont see any   menue item for wine?
[02:44] <Jucato> you won't get a menu item for Wine itself
[02:44] <fariborz> oh
[02:45] <djclue917> fariborz: why do you need one?
[02:45] <Jucato> when you install a Windows program using Wine, that's the time that a menu entry will be added for that program you installed
[02:45] <Jucato> you use wine either from the command line with "wine windows_app.exe" or by right-clicking on the .exe file, choosing "Open With.." then typing in "wine"
[02:46] <fariborz> oh
[02:46] <fariborz> i could start wincomander
[02:46] <fariborz> huhu
[02:47] <fariborz> can i also start windows explorer?
[02:47] <Jucato> um.. no?
[02:47] <fariborz> :(
[02:47] <fariborz> why not?
[02:47] <Jucato> 'cause windows explorer would probably need Windows itself?
[02:48] <Jucato> I don't think windows explorer could be downloaded/installed separately from Windows
[02:48] <fariborz> no way
[02:48] <fariborz> it did work
[02:48] <fariborz> i have startet windows explorer
[02:48] <Jucato> oh?
[02:48] <fariborz> oh no
[02:48] <fariborz> it startet winfile
[02:48] <fariborz> its the old one isnt it?
[02:49] <lhds>  when i make usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386$ sudo make menuconfig  what can i do to write the changes to kernel?
[02:57] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[03:01] <jontydog> hi all having problems with Kaffeine there is no sound in dvb
[03:03] <jontydog> lol never mind fixed it after a reboot
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help herwe
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> something has happened to the main tool bar of my kontact installation
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> all i have now are the standard icons
[03:07] <lhds>  when  i compile i always get error 2  No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.  Stop.
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> and the file --> and other text based menu options have dissapeared and i cant get them back for some unknown reason
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> i even tried resetting the main toolbars to their defaulta and that didnt help either
[03:07] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: try Ctrl+M for the File Edit etc..
[03:09] <shadeofgrey> shiy i  lost the whole toolbar
[03:09] <shadeofgrey> y'know the ones with the seperate windows and such
[03:10] <ubuntu> hello
[03:10] <ubuntu> i downloaded kubuntu
[03:10] <ubuntu> but how do I install? :S
[03:10] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: separate windows?
[03:10] <fariborz> JUCATO IF I download a .rpm file. how can i install it?
[03:11] <ubuntu> erhmm
[03:11] <ubuntu> I booted the cd and am In kde now
[03:12] <Jucato> ubuntu: there's supposed to be an icon on your desktop for installing Kubuntu
[03:12] <waylandbill> ubuntu, there should be an icon on the desktop to start the installer
[03:12] <ubuntu> no there i snot
[03:12] <ubuntu> i got some errors
[03:12] <ubuntu> when kde started
[03:12] <Jucato> what errors?
[03:12] <ubuntu> shall i logout?
[03:12] <ubuntu> something about trash ?!?
[03:12] <waylandbill> can you be more specific on the erros
[03:12] <ubuntu> i just pressed ok... let me logout
[03:13] <fariborz> what can i do with a .rpm file?
[03:13] <Jucato> fariborz: I'm not sure about installing an .rpm file, but I think you need to install a package called "alien" before you could do anything with it
[03:14] <fariborz> oh . thanks
[03:14] <waylandbill> fariborz, kpackage can install it using rpm if that is what you are trying to do with it.
[03:14] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> i totrally lost the part of my top panel that allows me to select different desktops
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> how doi i get al that back?
[03:15] <Jucato> ooh that one?
[03:15] <fariborz> do i have kpackage in kubuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: right-click on panel > Add Applet to Panel > look for Desktop Pager something
[03:16] <waylandbill> fariborz, it's in a repository if not. I generally look for deb package if availble first before an rpm though.
[03:18] <dilg> hi everyone,i have a problem with amarok`s xine engine,could anyone pls tell me wahts requested for amarok?
[03:18] <waylandbill> using rpm's generally means finding dependencies manually. not bad sometimes, but a pain for a program with tons of em.
[03:19] <Jucato> fariborz: what are you trying to install with an .rpm btw?
[03:20] <fariborz> i have downloaded the vmware-player from its website. and it is a .rpm file
[03:21] <Jucato> fariborz: try looking for a .deb instead
[03:21] <waylandbill> fariborz, that's in the universe or multiverse
[03:21] <Jucato> waylandbill: multiverse actually, but he seems to have some problems about a vmnet module?
[03:22] <waylandbill> oh.. the virtual network driver. :-/
[03:22] <jott> installing vmware by hand can be even more problematic if you don't know what you are doing...
[03:22] <fariborz> i  have tried it. but it didnt work
[03:22] <jott> fariborz: try apt-get reinstall vmware-player
[03:27] <fariborz> jucato how does this alien work?
[03:28] <jontydog> hi can someone recommend a good ftp server program like Serv-u?
[03:29] <jott> fariborz: basically it extracts a package of one type and repacks it to another type
[03:30] <jott> fariborz: but  i bet you will fail with vmware-player as the rpm postinst scripts will probably not work with ubuntu
[03:30] <fariborz> probably
[03:31] <fariborz> so what should i do to get this tamn vmplayer running?
[03:31] <waylandbill> the right course is to find the problem with the module really
[03:31] <jott> so the deb *should* work on a regular setup
[03:31] <jott> the vmware-player deb installed from repository
[03:31] <jott> (worked fine here at least ;)
[03:31] <fariborz> u mean from adept clicking on vmplayer and selecting install?
[03:32] <jott> nono do NOT use adept
[03:32] <jott> adept seems to be broken crap
[03:32] <fariborz> what else?
[03:32] <jott> use shell and aptitude
[03:32] <jott> its kind of "evolved"...
[03:32] <waylandbill> i've not had trouble with adept. I generally use apt-get directly though.
[03:32] <jott> yeah either apt-get or aptitude
[03:33] <fariborz> hm. how should i use aptitude?
[03:34] <jott> either with its ncurses based interface (maybe a bit strange at first) or just with command line arguments
[03:34] <jott> like "aptitude install packaganem"
[03:35] <mike_> To install vmplayer, have you not been able to do that with Kmenu -> System ->Add/Remove Programs ?
[03:35] <waylandbill> my favorite of aptitude is the option to "play minesweeper".. :-D
[03:35] <jott> mike_: no adept is horribly broken as it seems
[03:35] <jott> mike_: it can't show dialogs from the dpkg installer
[03:35] <jott> mike_: well show but not interact with it
[03:35] <mike_> ahhh, so then command line, sudo apt-get install vmplayer ?
[03:36] <jott> right..
[03:36] <jott> or vmware-player or what's the package valled
[03:36] <jott> called
[03:36] <waylandbill> jott: for licensing? no wonder I never noticed.
[03:36] <jott> waylandbill: yes and other confirmations as it seems
[03:36] <mike_> Yes, I just did a apt-cache search.... vmware-player is the package name.
[03:37] <waylandbill> mike_: yup. in the multiverse.
[03:37] <jott> fariborz: so open kosole and write "sudo apt-get install vmware-player"
[03:38] <waylandbill> I wonder if adept was run in a terminal if it would handle the dpkg dialogs.
[03:38] <waylandbill> :-)
[03:39] <jott> waylandbill: no ;) as the dialogs are shown in a libkonsole widget but you can't interact with them..
[03:39] <waylandbill> :-/
[03:39] <jontydog> is there a program similar to serv u for kubuntu?
[03:39] <fariborz> jott i hwve done
[03:39] <fariborz> but it doesnt work
[03:40] <jott> was there an error message?
[03:40] <waylandbill> jontydog, there's quite a few choices. Look for "ftpd" packages.
[03:40] <jontydog> cheers wayland bill
[03:41] <fariborz> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed.
[03:41] <fariborz> Starting VMware services:
[03:41] <fariborz>    Virtual machine monitor                                            failed
[03:42] <fariborz>    Virtual ethernet                                                   failed
[03:42] <fariborz> Module vmnet is not loaded.  Please verify that it is loaded before
[03:42] <fariborz> running this script.
[03:42] <Jucato> er.. !paste
[03:42] <Jucato> !paste
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[03:43] <waylandbill> vmnet doesn't need to be modprobe'd does it?
[03:43] <octan> how do i install pkg i have downloded?
[03:43] <octan> dpkg?
[03:43] <jott> waylandbill: it actually needs but the script *should* handle this ;)
[03:44] <jott> fariborz: do you use a custom kernel?
[03:44] <waylandbill> if he does, he needs to build the module to match it from the sources.
[03:45] <octan> do i use dpkg -i pkg?
[03:45] <jott> octan: yes you can do it this way
[03:45] <waylandbill> octan, yes and -r to remove it later
[03:45] <octan> ok thx
[03:47] <matlec> hi
[03:51] <octan> if i make an extra panel. and dont use the hole width of the desktop.. ther is some space left at each corner. "i have centered the panel" however, at the space i cant have icons, if i try to place icons ther the automaticly moves down below the panel. eventho theres free space there. how can i fix this?
[03:52] <Lynucs_Newbie> Hello; does the Kubuntu 6.06 iso start in english or german?
[03:54] <octan> does anyone know what i mean?
[03:56] <eeos> doe anyone know where to find slmodemd sourc, to attempt to compile and if possibe to package it for AMD 64 (kubuntu 6.06)
[03:57] <eeos> ?
[04:00] <jott> eeos: apt-get source? ;)
[04:00] <eeos> jott: wait
[04:01] <eeos> jott. it did not work till now
[04:02] <eeos> jott: it does not work
[04:02] <jott> hm "apt-get source sl-modem-daemon" works here..
[04:02] <jott> don't what pkg you need though ;)
[04:02] <jott> just "tabbed" ;)
[04:03] <eeos> are you on amd64?
[04:03] <jott> no
[04:03] <eeos> ah
[04:03] <jott> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/misc/sl-modem-daemon
[04:03] <BluesKaj> Tried everything iknow to get rid of Wine ...but it sticks in the k-menu under debian like shit to a blanket..it's pretty useless to me !
[04:03] <eeos> ach! I was searching "slmodemd" not "sl-modem"
[04:04] <eeos> jott: it works. what a stupid mistake.
[04:04] <eeos> jott. is there a way to compile it automatically? are there instructions somewhere?
[04:05] <jott> build-essentials / dpkg-dev and then dpkg-buildpackage
[04:05] <jott> so first two are the mandatory packages
[04:06] <eeos> sorry? I started using kubuntu very recently, coming from rpm distributions
[04:06] <jott> and third the command you can use to build
[04:06] <jott> just go to the dir and run dpkg-buildpackage ...
[04:06] <jott> after you have installed all the -dev packages you need
[04:08] <eeos> jott:ok, wait
[04:09] <LC0> anyone has tried to install libsdl-image-dev package recently? looks like some dependencies are not in the repository
[04:10] <visik7> still unable to play this stream http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/aug/wwdc_2006/m_wwdc_2006_350_ref.mov any clue ?
[04:10] <jott> eeos: basically dpkg uses the files in debian/ in your source dir to control the build process... so take a closer look at them...
[04:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guyts i have another question
[04:10] <jott> eeos: package version is derived from debian/changelog
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> how do i add an applet to my panels that shows me my network connectivity -- so that i can see when packets are being shuttled back and forth whikle im doing stuff online?
[04:11] <visik7> !restricted
[04:11] <eeos> jott: that is great
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:11] <eeos> jott: it is running now
[04:11] <eeos> jott: exit with erro 1 first then error 2  :-(
[04:12] <BluesKaj> so, anyone know how to get rid of wine ? ...i've tried uninstalling from synaptic and deleting in the k-menu..all that stuff , nothing works
[04:12] <Jucato> BluesKaj: what do you mean by "nothing works"?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> It won't go away Jucato
[04:13] <jott> eeos: so from this point on you are in the "usual" how to get it compile "chain" ;)
[04:13] <Jucato> which one? wine itself? the k menu entries for wine programs? or the wine directory?
[04:14] <eeos> jott: so I can pass to dpkg-buildpackage the usual options?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> In my k-menu wine is in the debian folder
[04:14] <BluesKaj> I guess that would be the directory?
[04:15] <Jucato> BluesKaj: but wine is already uninstalled? there's just a menu entry for it that's remainin?
[04:15] <jott> eeos: no check the debian dir
[04:15] <BluesKaj> why doesn't it leave the menu then ?
[04:16] <eeos> jott: wait
[04:16] <eeos> jott: I am there, I do not understand it :-D
[04:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: try deleting the menu entry manually (right-click on the menu > Edit this Menu Item)
[04:17] <BluesKaj> did that
[04:17] <jott> eeos: :(
[04:18] <BluesKaj> Jucato,  Wine still shows winzip and nero in it's program file
[04:18] <jott> eeos: you could pastebin your dpkg-buildpackge output so maybe someone can help
[04:18] <eeos> jott: what should be there?
[04:19] <Jucato> BluesKaj: let me get this straight: you have a "Wine" entry in K Menu > Debian > Wine, then winzip and nero are in K Menu > Wine > Programs?
[04:19] <jott> eeos: well the normal ./configure && make stuff and some dh_... calls
[04:19] <eeos> jott: ah!
[04:19] <damian_> who the hell would want winzip and nero
[04:19] <jott> eeos: or an errormessage if something fails ;)
[04:19] <damian_> nero is bloatware and winzip is ancient
[04:20] <eeos> jott: so I can run the usual procedure inside that directory, without using dpkg-buildpackage
[04:20] <eeos> ?
[04:20] <jott> eeos: then you would end up in the normal "binary output" of the source packge
[04:21] <jott> eeos: but not a deb package that would have an entry into your installed package  db
[04:21] <jott> eeos: the dpkg-buildpackage should run trough and create ../blabla-x.y.deb
[04:22] <eeos> jott: it did not! shall I run compilation by hand?
[04:22] <supernix> Just read an E-week report stating that Ubuntu was better than SLED 10
[04:23] <jott> eeos: if you like.. should also work but having installed it as a deb package is more consistent..
[04:23] <jott> eeos: whats the error dpkg-buildpackage gives? it runs fine here...
[04:24] <eeos> jott: error 1 and then error 2
[04:24] <jott> with this sl-modem thing..
[04:24] <jott> eeos: well.. more detailed ;)
[04:24] <eeos> jott: keep in mindo I am on amd 64 with an alsa modem !
[04:25] <jott> eeos: well the crash when you modprobed a module is another issue ;p
[04:25] <Healot> alsa modem?
[04:25] <jott> but maybe the sources are not 64bit compliant
[04:26] <eeos> jott: I am rerunning it
[04:27] <eeos> jott: I have the error here.
[04:27] <eeos> jott: How do I past it?
[04:28] <jott> !paste
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[04:28] <eeos> jott: ta
[04:28] <eeos> jott: just sent
[04:30] <jott> eeos: paste the url you got ;)
[04:30] <jott> ah got it
[04:30] <eeos> jott: blimey, just closed the window
[04:30] <eeos> jott: ah, good
[04:30] <jott> eeos: erm sorry can't help you there ... :/ looks like you have to modify the source
[04:31] <eeos> jott: aaaaarghhhh!
[04:31] <jott> eeos: just try normal ./configure && make and when you got it running you can try to use dpkg-buildpackage again.. :/
[04:32] <eeos> jott: thanks, I will look into it. I hope it is enough to midify the makefile to support alsa modems
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> where would i find a list of the best email clients available for kde? i need something robust that can handle at least 15   seperate accounts
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> would i have to install all of gnome just to use evolution mail?
[04:41] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: kmail is KDE's e-mail client
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> yeah but it sucks
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> arent thee any other options?
[04:41] <Jucato> you can also just use Thunderbird?
[04:41] <Healot> YOU need a mail server, hhaha
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> thunderbird doesnt do well with multiple accounts
[04:42] <Jucato> well evolution I guess...
[04:42] <Jucato> no other GUI e-mail clients I know of...
[04:42] <shadeofgrey> is it possible to run evolutionnwithout having to install all of gnome?  or is your gut feeling that things would get messed up if i used that
[04:42] <Healot> tried Microsoft Outlook yet, hehe, kidding
[04:43] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: it will only install the basic GNOME libraries it needs. not the whole GNOME desktop
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> okay the im going to try that
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> the thig i font like about kmail is the way it handles word wraopping in composition windowd
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> with wordwrap on i get 78 characters to a line
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> thats ridiculous
[04:44] <Jucato> even if you resize the window?
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> yes
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> therews a place to specifyu wordwrap options but only allows a max of 78 "columns"
[04:44] <Jucato> hm... I'm not really familiar with the nuances of e-mail clients... I just write them and send @_@
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> which i found out the hard way really means characters
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> what mail client do you use?
[04:45] <_marcellus_> Hi!
[04:45] <Jucato> kmail... but I didn't really notice that word wrapping thing...
[04:45] <Jucato> let me try it...
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> havent you notive how narrow it is?
[04:46] <_marcellus_> is it possible to replace kwin with an other wm?
[04:46] <Jucato> err... something's strange...
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> what?
[04:46] <GBK> anyone know how I can open a .pst file in linux?
[04:46] <Jucato> do you mean that when you type in 79 characters, it word wraps to the next row?
[04:47] <Jucato> oh i see what you mean...
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> im sayting taht it only allows   78 characters to a line before   it goes to the nesxt lime and starts over
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> and what im wondering is.. wouldnt taht look REALLY weird totyhe rest of the world?
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> hang on im going to mail myself and see how it looks
[04:48] <Jucato> ok.. I'm thinking it won't look like that once they receive it..
[04:48] <Jucato> I think it only controls the way you see it being typed.
[04:49] <Jucato> hey claydoh!
[04:50] <_marcellus_> again: is it possible to replace kwin with an other wm?
[04:50] <claydoh> yo Jucato
[04:50] <jott> shadeofgrey: i guess they try to follow http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html ;)
[04:50] <Jucato> _marcellus_: if you just wan't to use a different WM momentarily, and not make it as the default, you can just install the new WM, then a new session will be added to your login menu, allowing you to log in to a session with that WM
[04:51] <_marcellus_> dont kwnow wheather we mean the same:
[04:51] <_marcellus_> i want the windows to have other decoration, etc
[04:51] <_marcellus_> but i want to stay at kde
[04:52] <Jucato> _marcellus_: ok, then you're not talking about using a different window manager
[04:52] <Jucato> you're talking about using a different window decoration?
[04:52] <excitatory> GBK: i doubt you can.. isn't that photoshop or illustrator or some similar adobe proprietary file format?
[04:52] <Jucato> what's .PST anyway?
[04:53] <_marcellus_> for example is it possible to run the compiz cgwd on non xgl-sessions
[04:53] <Jucato> claydoh: which KDE dev were you able to talk to about my question?
[04:53] <Jucato> oh ok.. so you really are talking about window managers.. @_@
[04:54] <claydoh> J it was crimsun, hewas the only one around when I was on
[04:54] <Jucato> just like I said, if you install a new window manager, for example Fluxbox, you will be able to choose to log into a Fluxbox session (Fluxbox using KDE)
[04:54] <GBK> excitatory: nope that's an MSOutlook archive format
[04:54] <claydoh> dialup sux :(
[04:54] <djclue917> _marcellus_: why would you want to do that?
[04:54] <Jucato> claydoh: oh...
[04:54] <claydoh> but go to #kubuntu-devel
[04:54] <Jucato> _marcellus_: but AFAIK, compiz won't work without XGL...
[04:55] <_marcellus_> djclue917: just to see wheather it is possible and mybe stay at cgwd
[04:55] <djclue917> _marcellus_: yeah, Compiz exists because of Xgl.
[04:55] <claydoh> all the big dogs hang it there :)
[04:55] <Jucato> claydoh: ehehe! I might be answered with some "geeky" stuff I might not understand... and I would look like a total idiot...
[04:55] <claydoh> no, you wont
[04:55] <_marcellus_> Jucat: so cgwd depends on compiz?
[04:55] <claydoh> they are great folks, really
[04:56] <Jucato> _marcellus_: AFAIK, yes. and Compiz depends on XGL
[04:56] <_marcellus_> okay, thank you!
[04:56] <Jucato> claydoh: how do they take noobs asking technical questions.. :_D
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> _marcellus_: What video card are you using ?
[04:57] <Jucato> well, my question wasn't that technical anyway...
[04:57] <claydoh> well they try to answer, but obviously will refer to #kubuntu / #ubuntu as neeeded
[04:57] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: he's gone...
[04:57] <Jucato> yeah, I thought so...
[04:58] <claydoh> and your question *is*  something they can best answer imo
[04:58] <Jucato> but I'm scared of possibly stirring up a fight here so I  didn't ask here :-D
[04:58] <claydoh> no, you won't start a fight
[04:58] <Jucato> I'm still thinking of just letting my curiousity about it die... it might not be something I'm supposed to know/find out/learn anyway...
[04:59] <Jucato> and it's probably just a front for a little jealousy over GNOME/Ubuntu... :-D
[05:00] <claydoh> lol
[05:01] <Jucato> but now another "jealous feeling" is brewing... but this time towards MEPIS... :-p
[05:01] <Jucato> I am soooo bad... >:)
[05:01] <claydoh> b ut if you are curious, simply ask, you are very good with words imnsho, so I doubt you will come across as bashing/flaming/etc
[05:02] <Kronos> I'm back.
[05:03] <Jucato> I'll try asking tomorrow. I worded my questions in a way suitable to a forum post. I might have to re-word it for IRC...
[05:03] <Jucato> or just e-mail one of them, probably Jonathan RIddell...
[05:03] <Jucato> wb Kr4t05
[05:04] <claydoh> ya, he's the guy who can answer, its his repo :)
[05:04] <Jucato> it's his fault!! rawr!!! lol!!
[05:05] <Jucato> btw, has anyone heard any development about the Amarok 1.4.1 - FLAC - Xine problem?
[05:07] <excitatory> Jucato: well, you should really ask in #amarok, but i believe it was long fixed, and the devs will probably tell you to grab the latest xine.
[05:07] <Jucato> excitatory: oh. so they won't be making a fix available in our repos?
[05:07] <excitatory> well, that's more of a kubuntu thing.
[05:08] <Riddell> Jucato: hmm?
[05:08] <Jucato> Riddell: oops.. didn't mean to disturb you...
[05:08] <excitatory> i gave up on the kubuntu builds.. it's far easier and quicker to just compile from svn..plus then you get more customisation.
[05:09] <Jucato> Riddell: I was just wondering a few days ago why KDE 3.5.4 wasn't included in the Dapper upgrades repository, but GNOME 2.14.3 was.
[05:09] <XeXo2> Hi i am compiling firefox and i was wondering how i would set it up so that two firefox installations can be installed simultaneously so that i can switch between them using update-alternatives?
[05:10] <djclue917> XeXo2: what specific version are you compiling?
[05:11] <Riddell> Jucato: 3.5.4 had enough problems that I didn't want to put it in -updates.  also manpower issues.  also we have more freedom if it just goes on kubuntu.org
[05:11] <djclue917> Jucato: KDE updates has never been included in dapper-updates...
[05:11] <XeXo2> djclue917: Minefield
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Why not just use the binaries of minefield ?
[05:12] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: I like to compile stuff myself
[05:12] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: and i want to learn how to set this up
[05:12] <djclue917> XeXo2: oh.. ok. i think you could install firefox in another directory so as not to disturb the one previously installed
[05:13] <Jucato> Riddell: oh I see. so it will always be like that? will they ever be put into dapper-backports? And lastly, is the Kubuntu release for KDE 3.5.4 an official KDE release? someone mentioned that it was just experimental or unofficial. Thanks!
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: It takes ages to compile firefox
[05:14] <Jucato> s/KDE release/Kubuntu release
[05:14] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: I know done it lots of times, but this time i want to know to to set a program up with update-alternatives and firefox seems like the ideal candidate
[05:14] <Jucato> Riddell:  s/KDE release/Kubuntu release
[05:15] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, it's official Kubuntu (since I make it)
[05:15] <Riddell> dapper-backports isn't working and shows no signs of changing
[05:15] <XeXo2> djclue917: But how do i set it up so that update-alternatives allows me to switch between the default firefox and my version?
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: You need to build a proper package in that case - debhelper has the hooks for update-alternatives
[05:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning all...  ANyone here work with the help docs, I need to have someone edit the dial-up page...
[05:18] <Jucato> Riddell: oh I see. Someone from MEPIS mentioned that KDE 3.5.4 would eventually make its way into Backports, which I thought was strange, because it didn't happen in Breezy before, and not with KDE 3.5.3 in Dapper. Anyway, thanks for your time! Sorry for having to bother you with my questions. Really grateful! ^_^
[05:19] <djclue917> Jucato: I doubt that since the backports people would be shouldering a lot of additional work (considering the size of KDE) if that were the case..
[05:20] <Jucato> djclue917: I guess so. Anyway, Dapper backports are totally empty last time I checked (a few hours ago)
[05:23] <ubuser> ...uhhh...kde
[05:25] <Riddell> Jucato: backports is the best place for it, but backports is non-functional and has been for some time so we can't use it
[05:27] <Jucato> Riddell: oh, I guess that explains why it's empyt. ^_^ Thanks again!
[05:28] <satempler> Eft should have some sort of VPN wizards one for client one for server (server ncuses or script based)
[05:31] <_Shade_> hi
[05:31] <Jucato> hi
[05:31] <pingun> hi jucato
[05:31] <_Shade_> i can't install cedega on ubuntu dapper. It gives me an error message
[05:32] <_Shade_> the package requires an xlibs installed but i have only xlibs-dev in the repos
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> satempler: openvpn is pretty easy to setup anyway - ipsec is not that bad unless you are trying to interoperate with windows client (and trying to not buy the software you need to make it easy)
[05:33] <ErikTheRed> _Shade_: have you tried talking to the Cedega people? I've heard they're pretty good at helping their customers
[05:33] <satempler> right
[05:34] <satempler> but still wizards or druids is good for the new user
[05:34] <thomas> hey homies
[05:34] <_Shade_> ErikTheRed: i havent done it yet
[05:34] <thomas> this is great here
[05:34] <thomas> i hate chats
[05:34] <satempler> i will even take a front end configuration tool
[05:35] <ErikTheRed> Shade: have you enabled all of the repos in your sources.list
[05:35] <satempler> any one know the state of tv-out on the ATI binary drivers
[05:37] <satempler> any one know why the security.ubuntu.com is so slow
[05:37] <Arkkis> I'm trying to use dual monitors on kubuntu, and when I boot it up, the right screen is 1600*1200 alright, but the viewport is smaller. So when I move the mouse around the screen scrolls with it
[05:37] <Arkkis> an user here told me to comment out "virtual screen" option
[05:38] <Arkkis> and I tought that I could find it in xorg.conf, but I could not
[05:38] <Arkkis> where can I find it?
[05:40] <Jucato> Arkkis: acutally, I think the label is "Virtual" only. in Section "Screen", SubSection "Display"
[05:40] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: Where can i get info in debhelper and making this deb?
[05:41] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Debian packaging guide
[05:41] <Arkkis> Jucato, there's no such setting in my xorg.conf
[05:42] <Jucato> anything starting with "Virtual"??
[05:42] <Arkkis> oh, and I also noticed that the actual screen is bigger than 1600*1200 on my righthand monitor, it just shows 1600*1200 area of it
[05:42] <Arkkis> Jucato, no, nothing with irtual in it on the file
[05:42] <marek_> hello
[05:42] <Jucato> hmm... that's strange...
[05:43] <marek_> did someone solve tv out problem with radeon video card?
[05:43] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: is this it? http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[05:43] <satempler> marek_:  I belive it only works with the binary drivers
[05:43] <Arkkis> Jucato, yep, it's really strange
[05:44] <satempler> marek_: i am trying to find out my self
[05:44] <djclue917> XeXo2: there's a brief package guide in the Kubuntu docs
[05:44] <Jucato> try removing any resolution that is higher than the resolution that you want (1600x2000?). remember to backup your xorg.conf ^_^
[05:44] <marek_> why they just not relise som sort of software?
[05:45] <Arkkis> Jucato, ok
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Yep - That should tell you enough to make the package - then find out how to do update-alternatives by looking at another package that uses it
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> marek_, tv out works with my radeon mobility M6 ly.
[05:46] <hagus> Good evening :)
[05:47] <vigilant_> good evening all :)
[05:47] <marek_> i have radeon 9550 vith tv out and i see crap on tv
[05:47] <vigilant_> my second day of kubuntu and still in love :D
[05:47] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn and djclue917: thanks i'll give it a try, i'm trying to find the docs
[05:47] <hagus> I can no longer run my adept program - it tells me to run apt-setup or apt-get-update but these are not found :(
[05:47] <marek_> if some one have solved this kind of porblrm om me
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:47] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[05:47] <Jucato> rawr! h3sp4wn beat me to it
[05:47] <Jucato>  @_@
[05:48] <marek_> i love ubuntu but some things just make me angry
[05:49] <hagus> it reports to me depnedcy problems related to ymessenger
[05:49] <satempler> marek_: same here
[05:49] <hagus> I tried installing ymessenger but it did not go where it ought to have gone
[05:50] <satempler> marek_: but it's not linux fault  its ATI's fault
[05:50] <hagus> I just used the actions choice in the menu to install it
[05:50] <satempler> if they opened up there drivers then it would be easyer
[05:50] <hagus> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[05:50] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.13.0); however:
[05:50] <hagus>   Package libgdk-pixbuf2 is not installed.
[05:50] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0); however:
[05:50] <hagus>   Package libglib1.2 is not installed.
[05:50] <Jucato> satempler: a rumor is going around... ATI might just do that, thanks to the AMD-ATI merger...
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.0); however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package libgtk1.2 is not installed.
[05:51] <satempler> hagus: why not use kopete or gaim
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on xlibs (>> 3.3.6); however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package xlibs is not installed.
[05:51] <satempler> Jucato: hope so
[05:51] <hagus> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--configure):
[05:51] <hagus>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:51] <hagus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger
[05:51] <satempler> hagus try pastebin
[05:51] <hagus> That was what came up h3sp4wn :)
[05:51] <hagus> I have decided to stick with windows for ymessenger for the time being but I want to stick with linux for other things.
[05:52] <hagus> gaim and kopete do not let me into irc-style chatrooms on yahoo, satempler :)
[05:52] <satempler> oh
[05:52] <satempler> they used to
[05:52] <Ash-Fox> hagus, wait a sec
[05:53] <hagus> pastebin?
[05:53] <h3sp4wn> hagus: where did you get the deb for ymessenger from ?
[05:53] <Ash-Fox> hagus, tried bitlbee? http://www.bitlbee.org/
[05:53] <hagus> from yahoo
[05:53] <hagus> no I have not As
[05:53] <hagus> Ash-Fox:  even
[05:54] <hagus> click
[05:55] <satempler> is there a way to quiry a package to find out what it would install
[05:56] <Jucato> satempler: without starting Adept?
[05:56] <satempler> using the apt-get command
[05:56] <satempler> Jucato: yes
[05:56] <Jucato> I think apt-get has a command to let you "simulate" an installation...
[05:57] <satempler> ok i  will look it up on man
[05:57] <Jucato> or do you want to see the dependencies of a package, whether they will be installed or are already installed?
[05:57] <ubuntu> hi, I have problem: "GRUB: Error 17"
[05:58] <djclue917> ubuntu: problem with MBR...
[05:58] <satempler> Seveas has a ubuntu-multimedia-kde meta package i want to see what it installs
[05:58] <ubuntu> yes
[05:58] <ubuntu> acctualy, I fixed partition order with fdisk, then changed fstab and mtab and menu.lst
[05:59] <ubuntu> how to resolve problem from a boot cd
[05:59] <Jucato> satempler: you can use Konqueror, enter "apt:/" in the location bar
[05:59] <djclue917> sudo grub-install /dev/<HDD here>
[05:59] <satempler> ok
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> hagus: xlibs doesn't exist in ubuntu dapper - you can remove it with sudo dpkg -r ymessenger
[05:59] <djclue917> ubuntu: sudo grub-install /dev/<HDD here>
[06:00] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[06:01] <vigilant_> how do i install a package manually again?
[06:01] <vigilant_> instead of from adept
[06:01] <ubuntu> djclue917 : this is output now:
[06:01] <ubuntu> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[06:01] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[06:01] <vigilant_> cus adept hates me
[06:01] <vigilant_> :)
[06:01] <vigilant_> today
[06:01] <ubuntu> djclue917, it's output of "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[06:01] <djclue917> ubuntu: did you make a separate /boot partition?
[06:01] <ubuntu> no
[06:01] <Jucato> vigilant_: sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[06:01] <djclue917> ubuntu: SATA hard drive?
[06:01] <vigilant_> cool
[06:02] <vigilant_> thanks jucato
[06:02] <vigilant_> :)
[06:02] <ubuntu> djclue917 yes
[06:02] <Jucato> what problem did you have with Adept?
[06:02] <ubuntu> djclue917: I have /dev/sda3 for linux
[06:02] <hagus> That seems to have removed the ymessenger but when I try to run adept from konsole, here is what comes up:
[06:02] <hagus> Failed to open device
[06:02] <vigilant_> jucato: just the java thing that wants confirmation before installing so adept freezes and doesnt allow me to install anything anymore since there is a program running that is using the database and it is not called adept in the ctrl-esc window
[06:03] <hagus> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:03] <hagus>   Major opcode:  144
[06:03] <hagus>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:03] <hagus>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:03] <hagus> Failed to open device
[06:03] <hagus> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[06:03] <djclue917> ubuntu: you only need the device name
[06:03] <Jucato> hagus: next time you need to post a lot of lines, try this
[06:03] <Jucato> !paste
[06:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:03] <hagus> ty jucato :)
[06:03] <djclue917> ubuntu: what's the output of "sudo fdisk -l"?
[06:03] <Jucato> vigilant_: try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" first
[06:03] <ubuntu> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
[06:03] <ubuntu> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
[06:03] <Jucato> vigilant_: then install java using apt
[06:03] <ubuntu> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:03] <ubuntu>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda1   *           1        2037    16357376+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda2            2037        3829    14399034+   b  W95 FAT32
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda3            3830        4772     7574647+  83  Linux
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda4            4773        4864      738990   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:04] <hagus> ah - i understand now both about pastebin and the flooding problem
[06:04] <vigilant_> juato: well there is an adept-notify i killed but it doesnt seem to work still
[06:04] <vigilant_> jucato: ok ill do that :)
[06:04] <Jucato> ubuntu: next time you need to paste a lot of lines, try using pastebin
[06:04] <djclue917> ubuntu: yeah, you might want to put that in the paste bin.. anyways..
[06:04] <Jucato> !paste
[06:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:04] <ubuntu> ok, sorry everyone
[06:04] <Jucato> vigilant_: nah, you can leave adept-notify. doesn't matter :-D
[06:04] <djclue917> ubuntu: "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" should really fix your problem...
[06:04] <Jucato> ubuntu: no problem. we were all beginners once. :-D
[06:05] <vigilant_> jucato: I killed it allready hehe
[06:05] <Jucato> vigilant_: noooo!!! poor little thing :-D
[06:05] <vigilant_> jucato: did the last command u gave me with no errors returned
[06:05] <ubuntu> djclue917, ok. I'll try to reboot
[06:05] <pingun> is there any way to prevent ubuntu textmode installer to write into the mbr but into rootartition or fd? (otherwise i will use an different distro where i can choose where to install grub)
[06:05] <djclue917> yeah, try that..
[06:05] <vigilant_> now i go: "sudo apt-get install" rite?
[06:06] <vigilant_> jucato: now i go: "sudo apt-get install" rite?
[06:06] <Jucato> vigilant_: yeah. sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[06:06] <vigilant_> cool
[06:07] <vigilant_> jucato: will u tell someone about the confirmation of acceptance of terms in the java package and that they should add support for accepting that in adept? :)
[06:08] <vigilant_> jucato: cus i dont know who to tell
[06:08] <vigilant_> or ask
[06:08] <vigilant_> something
[06:08] <Jucato> ehehe! It's a limitation of the terminal emulator in Adept. I think the developers are aware of it already
[06:09] <vigilant_> cool
[06:09] <djclue917> vigilan_: just use the terminal for installing software. ;-)
[06:09] <vigilant_> oki
[06:12] <metalero9_> hola
[06:13] <zered> hi everybody
[06:14] <Jucato> hi zere
[06:14] <ubuntu> djclue917, no luck
[06:15] <ubuntu> djclue917, I have working ubuntu installation under /dev/sda3
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any program for kde taht like fraps?
[06:15] <djclue917> ubuntu: try to mount /dev/sda3
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> (fraps is a good screencapturing program for winshit)
[06:16] <satempler> can any one tell me how to get kopete to stop telling me about new hotmail email
[06:16] <ubuntu> ok - done, then?
[06:16] <djclue917> ubuntu: wait a sec.
[06:17] <hagus> !paste
[06:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:18] <djclue917> satempler: Settings -> Configure Notifications
[06:18] <andred> satempler: settings->configure notifications
[06:18] <andred> damn
[06:18] <andred> :)
[06:18] <andred> you won
[06:18] <djclue917> satempler: find the "New email has arrived in your MSN inbox"
[06:18] <zered> hi Jucato
[06:18] <satempler> cool thanks
[06:19] <hagus> I have !pasted the output from my konsole and wondered if anyone can help me solve the problem(s) indicated?
[06:19] <djclue917> ubuntu: "sudo grub-install --root-directory <mount point of /dev/sda3> /dev/sda"
[06:19] <exmethix> i have a problem installing the new ati driver
[06:20] <Jucato> hagus: you have to paste the link that pastebin gives you
[06:20] <exmethix> i did the second method
[06:20] <exmethix> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:20] <exmethix> here is the error
[06:20] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LUHbCC98.html
[06:21] <exmethix> i installed exactly 5 times. it is kubuntu dapper with full dist-upgrade
[06:21] <zered> someone knows how install driver ati on kubuntu ?
[06:21] <exmethix> fglrxinfo says mesa indirect
[06:21] <exmethix> anybody could help?
[06:22] <zered> Hi exmethix. Do you have probleme with ati too ?
[06:22] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20015   -  Would that be the link?  I am not sure where to look for it but that is the webpage at which the form appears.
[06:22] <ubuntu> djclue917, thanks. It seem it worked something on the HD. I'll try booting
[06:23] <exmethix> zered: no.... ati driver has no 3D accleration
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you just run adept (it should automatically launch kdesu) sudo is only for commandline programs
[06:23] <hagus> ok ta :)
[06:24] <Jucato> hagus: yeah that's the link
[06:24] <zered> exmethix: yes I know. But I'm looking for have this acceleration. I have install xorg-server for fglrx and change driver in xorg.conf
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you run dpkg -C (it should list any currently broken packages)
[06:25] <XeXo2> Does anyone here play america's army?
[06:25] <hagus> ta again - I ran adept - it said it was loading but then disappeared.
[06:26] <hagus> It merely takes me to a new line when I type dpkg -C in konsole
[06:26] <exmethix> zered: try this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:27] <Jucato> hagus: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[06:27] <hagus> yes I did jucato - several times.
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> hagus: run sudo -i (and then) ps aux | grep adept | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill (followed by) ps aux | grep adept | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
[06:28] <hagus> ok ty
[06:28] <zered> exmethix: thanx for that. I reboot. ;-)
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> then try loading adept again
[06:29] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: that's one heck of a line @_@
[06:30] <harmental> hi..does anybody know which repository should i add to have the latest version of conky?
[06:31] <reagleBRKLN> howdy, running dapper and latest updates and my gtk apps are misbehaving: displays of text (e.g., line in unison or pan) are truncated
[06:31] <sinppa_> Does edgy have KDE4 O_o ?
[06:31] <hagus> I typed in the stuff that you said, h3sp4wn, and then ran adept but again it came up on the task bar at the bottom with an eggtimer and after several seconds disappeared.
[06:32] <Jucato> sinppa_: nope. KDE 4 isn't even in beta I think
[06:32] <sinppa_> hmm, ok.
[06:32] <hagus> Maybe I should reboot?
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try running sudo apt-get update (at the end of it see if it complains about a lock)
[06:32] <Jucato> it might also be a problem with the sources.list?
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> I think it would still run in that case (but I don't use it so I am not certain)
[06:33] <hagus> hagus@hagus-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[06:33] <hagus> E: Type http://user.sgic.fi/~tml/gimp/win32/ is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <Jucato> err... I guessed so :-D
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list (the pastebin the contents)
[06:35] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: he might have trouble copying-pasting and getting out of vim :-D
[06:35] <hagus> !paste
[06:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: Its in the konsole if he is deleting full lines vim is the easiest way (If I give him the commands)
[06:36] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20016
[06:36] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: oh yeah... forgot you could highlight stuff in konsole! silly me
[06:36] <soulrider_> hey everyone
[06:37] <zered> exmethix: thanx for your help. It's ok !
[06:37] <Jucato> ok that's weird...
[06:37] <soulrider> are there any programmer who i can request help from here ?
[06:37] <exmethix> zered: what says fglrxinfo?
[06:38] <zered> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[06:38] <zered> and ati panel is ok !!
[06:38] <exmethix> .... than you aso have no 3D accleration
[06:38] <exmethix> am i right?
[06:39] <zered> exmethix: I try with chromium. Wait please...
[06:40] <zered> exmethix: :-( it's soooo slow !
[06:41] <exmethix> zered: yes than you have the same problem as me
[06:41] <exmethix> zered: please do dmesg | grep fglrx
[06:41] <exmethix> whats the output?
[06:42] <hagus> What should I do now, h3sp4wn? :)
[06:42] <zered> nothing !! nada !! nichts !! rien !!
[06:42] <exmethix> zered: sprichst du deutsch?
[06:43] <hagus> I tried running adept again - this time the dialog box for the root passwd came up but then it beeped at me and disappeared again.
[06:43] <scast> Good Afternoon ^^
[06:43] <zered> exmethix: ein biessen ! I prefer english ou franais !
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sorry I didn't notice you had pasted it sorry
[06:43] <hagus> np
[06:43] <exmethix> zered: mmh
[06:43] <luis> who
[06:43] <luis> hallo
[06:43] <hagus> I do not seem to have apt even though I have adept - or am I mistaken there?
[06:44] <exmethix> zered: i am searching for this bug since yesterday evening
[06:44] <exmethix> zered: when i find a way to enable 3D Accleration on the new driver with kubuntu i will tell you
[06:45] <scast> Pandora kills my resources ^^
[06:45] <zered> exmethix: yes, thanx. I'm looking for too. I have installed headers and modules for my kernel
[06:45] <mossman>  Good day all. Anyone familure with kmail?  I would like to be able to click on a contact and see everye-mal sent or received by that contact? Anyone know if this is possible?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> hagus: type - :q!
[06:46] <scast> !gimp
[06:46] <ubotu> An advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[06:46] <zered> I have a problem with smb4k. It seeme to mount my samba drie but the icon is erased few seconds after
[06:47] <hagus> bash: :q!: command not found
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> hagus: (there is about 3 commands to reset your sources to what you need) sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: no stop just run the first line (
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Then if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list (you should have just the 4 lines)
[06:50] <hagus> it said "Permission denied" when I ran the first line
[06:50] <hagus> Should I continue to type the stuff in?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> hagus: run sudo -i first
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then the first line then the three with >>
[06:51] <brandon_> seems like KDE 3.5.4 is 10 tiems faster than previous versions in Ubuntu
[06:52] <damian_> is it really?
[06:53] <soulrider_> any porgrammers here?
[06:53] <fritsch> soulrider_: me can do haskell
[06:53] <fritsch> soulrider_: :-)
[06:53] <soulrider_> well, what i need is to learn how to do somehting
[06:53] <soulrider_> i can do it myself after that
[06:53] <soulrider_> i need an idea of how i can dow hat i wany
[06:54] <soulrider_> want*
[06:54] <fritsch> soulrider_: okay, what do you want?
[06:54] <soulrider_> maybe it would be better if we went to another channel :-/
[06:54] <soulrider_> #soulrider
[06:54] <damian_> has anyone tried xgl with kubuntu
[06:55] <hagus> just the four lines in sources.list :)
[06:55] <brandon_> damina_ seems like it
[06:55] <brandon_> damian_ seems like it
[06:55] <Dodger> damian_: i'm running it
[06:55] <Dodger> works great
[06:55] <hagus> h3sp4wn: just the four lines in sources.list :)
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> hagus: now try sudo apt-get update
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Hopefully now it should not mention that win32 thing it failed at last time (then you can try adept)
[06:56] <SeicherlBoB> Hi there! Just tried to install Kubuntu Desktop on a laptop 2 times. After reboot it cant start cause the harddisk bootsector is invalid. (I made a /boot partition with ext2 and 50MB) Any suggestions?
[06:57] <hagus> It says "
[06:57] <hagus> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg
[06:57] <hagus>   Connection failed
[06:57] <hagus> but it then goes on to access the other repositories
[06:57] <damian_> dodger: any big problems with xgl?
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try starting it - apt-get update - then pressing control c straight away then running it again
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> hagus: I have that problem everytime where it doesn't work properly (but I thought it was because I was using wireless)
[06:59] <hagus> I have run adept and it open - hurray!
[06:59] <hagus> it opened
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> hagus: great :)
[06:59] <trappist> fonts sure are looking rough in 3.5.4
[06:59] <hagus> ty ty ty :)
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> hagus: You should have more applications available as a by product of rewriting the sources.list
[07:00] <hagus> Some of them could not connect apparently but now that I know what to do, I shall muck around to try again :)
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> hagus: You may want to do a full update (as you had the security repository disabled before)
[07:01] <excitatory> so, you know how kubuntu has customized konqueror profiles?  well, they were missing a feature i desired, and so i followed this: ( http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror ) which restores the original profiles back..which then fixed my problem, but now i have real trouble: any time a kio-slave, kicker quick browser icon, or anything that wants to open a new konqueror window tries to do this, nothing happens.  a window does not open.
[07:01] <excitatory> es manually, bu
[07:01] <hagus> ah ty, h3sp4wn :)
[07:02] <vandenoever> in the kubuntu installer, how can avoid choosing a mount point for every partition?
[07:02] <vandenoever> it seems to require that
[07:02] <ninHer> hi all
[07:02] <vandenoever> "No mount point selected for " ....
[07:02] <vandenoever> for most of my partitions
[07:03] <vandenoever> of course i can add /media/hda{x} fore each one but that's silly
[07:03] <vandenoever> i don't need to see those disks
[07:05] <vandenoever> and now it insists on formatting /dev/hda2, even though I've told it not to
[07:05] <SeicherlBoB> vandenoever: I also had less problems with the "classic" installer ;)
[07:06] <vandenoever> SeicherlBoB: is that still available?
[07:06] <SeicherlBoB> vandenoever: dont know.... guess not.
[07:06] <vandenoever> :-(
[07:06] <SeicherlBoB> My installer keeps failing to create the boot-sector. dont know why
[07:06] <vandenoever> every time i attemp kubuntu i'm turned off by some stuff like this...
[07:07] <vandenoever> i'd like to like kubuntu, but pff
[07:07] <vandenoever> doen't anybody partition their own drive anymore?
[07:07] <SeicherlBoB> yeah...
[07:08] <excitatory> the classic installer is still available, iirc
[07:08] <SeicherlBoB> will that create a working bootsector?
[07:09] <vandenoever> it's trying to format my hibernation partition as ext3 ...
[07:09] <vandenoever> silly
[07:09] <SeicherlBoB> is there a way to just create a new bootsector?
[07:09] <vandenoever> what's the classic installer called, can i call it from a livecd?
[07:10] <QMario> How can I print from a KUbuntu Printer Server on a Windows machine?
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: You either need the alterative cd or you can install with debootstrap
[07:10] <QMario> Sorry, let me rephrase.
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: (see the installing from knoppix howto)
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: You can install debootstrap or cdebootstrap from the livecd
[07:10] <QMario> How can I print on a Windows machine from a KUbuntu Printer Server?
[07:11] <vandenoever> h3sp4wn: i've now told it my hibernation drive is a swap drive
[07:11] <vandenoever> it accepts that
[07:11] <vandenoever> phew
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: That will probably trash it if it has certain things that need to be on it
[07:11] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: any ideas how i can fix my bootsector?
[07:11] <vandenoever> oh now it crashed
[07:11] <vandenoever> i better mkswap on it first then
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: What has happened to it ?
[07:13] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: I partitioned (hda1, /boot, etx2, 50MB; and others) and installed. after reboot the machine hangs telling me the bootsector is incvalid
[07:13] <draik> Hello everyone
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> h3sp4wn: serial ata disk ?
[07:13] <draik> QMario, you want to print from a winxp machine to a Kubuntu desktop connected to a printer?
[07:14] <QMario> Yes.
[07:14] <draik> easily done
[07:14] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn:  fuh... its an acer travelmate... donno, its not mine
[07:14] <QMario> Draik, how?
[07:14] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: 40GB Ultra ATA it says
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: Have you tried the alternative installer ?
[07:14] <draik> QMario, have you installed the printer your Kubuntu desktop?
[07:14] <QMario> Yes.
[07:15] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: you mean not the desktop-edition but the other one?
[07:15] <QMario> It uses a driver provided by HPLIP.
[07:15] <draik> QMario, perfect, then we can get started with the editing
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: Yes its a text based installer that actually works (alot more often)
[07:16] <vandenoever> oh by the way, is 5gb enough for kubunto + dev tools?
[07:16] <draik> QMario, open the Run Command (ALT+F2)
[07:16] <QMario> Okay.
[07:16] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: not yet, but i guess i will ;) thanks by now
[07:16] <QMario> Finished.
[07:17] <draik> QMario, type      sudo kate /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[07:17] <Lynoure> vandenoever: should be. But depends on dev tools, and on what all else you want there
[07:17] <vandenoever> kdelibs-dev, g++, valgrind, xerces, qt4
[07:17] <vandenoever> for strigi development
[07:17] <vandenoever> well, mainly testing
[07:17] <vandenoever> for kubunto
[07:17] <vandenoever> u
[07:18] <Lynoure> vandenoever: kubunto being something else than mispelled kubuntu?
[07:18] <QMario> Draik, cannot connect to X SErver.
[07:18] <vandenoever> Lynoure: my new superfork :-)
[07:18] <vandenoever> no, a typo
[07:18] <QMario> Draik, I will use pico instead. ;)
[07:18] <draik> ok
[07:19] <draik> I use kate by default, but you can use your favorite editor
[07:19] <Lynoure> vandenoever: You should be plenty fine with / of 5G. /homes always tend to bloat, though
[07:20] <QMario> Draik, okay we are here.
[07:20] <draik> ok
[07:20] <vandenoever> Lynoure: this one wont, it will be only for testing strigi and with test data
[07:20] <vandenoever> as far as the disk permits
[07:20] <vandenoever> i'm not going to compile kde4 or something
[07:20] <draik> QMario, down to about line 33, you have the first <Location /> tag
[07:22] <QMario> Draik, my first Location tag is on line 774.
[07:22] <gebruiker> hi
[07:24] <draik> QMario, line about it should read:               #Restrict acces to the server...
[07:24] <gebruiker> when I invoke: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it works, but when I modify /etc/hdparm.conf,(i.e enable command_line hdparm -d1 /dev/hda) it tells me: * Setting disc parameters...  * No disk enabled. Exiting...
[07:24] <draik> QMario, followed by          <Location />
[07:24] <draik> QMario, I meant the line ABOVE it
[07:24] <draik> sorry
[07:25] <QMario> Okay, I found that.
[07:25] <QMario> Line 827
[07:25] <lmodl> #kvaubuntu-h
[07:26] <draik> I only have 85 lines... oh well
[07:26] <draik> ok, so now you edit that paragraph
[07:26] <gebruiker> ???
[07:27] <draik> QMario, add a new line after Allow @LOCAL
[07:28] <draik> QMario, done?
[07:30] <QMario> Draik, yes.
[07:30] <draik> ok
[07:31] <draik> QMario, on that new line, type           Allow From <winxp.desktop.ip.addy>
[07:32] <QMario> Exactly, as you have typed.
[07:32] <draik> except that you have to modify it to have your winxp ip address
[07:32] <QMario> So I should not replace ip with anything?
[07:32] <draik> Allow From 192.168.1.234
[07:33] <draik> or whatever your winxp ip address is
[07:34] <QMario> Draik, what if the IP Address is dynamic?
[07:34] <draik> that's fine
[07:34] <vigilant_> :)
[07:34] <draik> add what it is now
[07:35] <QMario> Draik, okay.
[07:35] <QMario> Finished.
[07:36] <draik> ok
[07:36] <draik> save the file
[07:36] <draik> Now open /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf
[07:36] <TheCobra> somebody know how to install a .run file?
[07:37] <DocTomoe> TheCobra: no need to install it
[07:38] <TheCobra> got my drivers for my videocard. it's in a  ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86.run
[07:38] <QMario> Draik, no such directory.
[07:39] <Surger> TheCobra: sh ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86.run
[07:39] <TheCobra> oh tnx surger
[07:39] <Surger> Probably need to do it with sudo
[07:39] <draik> nothing?              /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf
[07:39] <Surger> sudo sh ...
[07:40] <TheCobra> idd sudo super user needed :)
[07:40] <voicu> Hi, I installed gcc from adept and when I tried to compile a simple "Hello world!" program to test it I found out that iostream.h is not in the includes. I installed the kernel headers and found iostream.h in /usr/include/c++/4.0.3/backward. Is iostream.h not used anymore?
[07:41] <Surger> voicu: The headers changed
[07:41] <Surger> voicu: <iostream>
[07:41] <Surger> Not <iostream.h>
[07:41] <damian_> does anyone know how to get xgl working on kubuntu?
[07:41] <damian_> i cant find any good guides
[07:41] <voicu> Surger: I tried that because I had the same problem but that doesn't work either
[07:42] <nick_> does anyone know a good program for website building
[07:42] <vandenoever> nick_: quanta is reasonable
[07:42] <vandenoever> you want to write html, right?
[07:42] <e-Hernick> gvim is good.
[07:42] <nick_> yes
[07:43] <e-Hernick> I like BlueFish too
[07:43] <DocTomoe> Maybe in here someone as a suggestion for my dpkg problem? As the description is rather long, I posted it at http://pastebin.ca/122418
[07:43] <nick_> wat's the most user friendly program?
[07:43] <e-Hernick> iWeb :) ?
[07:44] <QMario> Draik, no directory named cups.d
[07:44] <e-Hernick> Oh, NVU is very nice.
[07:44] <e-Hernick> try NVU
[07:44] <nick_> NVU,ok
[07:44] <vandenoever> yeah, nvu's probably most userfriendly
[07:44] <draik> can you go there manually
[07:45] <e-Hernick> NVU features and screenshots: http://www.nvu.com/features.php
[07:45] <nick_> thank you
[07:45] <draik> open your file browser and go to root (/) and then etc > cups > cups.d
[07:46] <nick_> an other question :) i've i want to watch movies on the internet i need some plugins! but where can i get those for linux?
[07:47] <vandenoever> nick_: do you need flash or movie codecs?
[07:48] <nick_> i think i need flash
[07:48] <nick_> maby i need it all. it isn't lost i've i have it all
[07:49] <QMario> Draik, I can not go there manually.
[07:49] <draik> error message?
[07:49] <eamon> !java
[07:49] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:49] <vandenoever> nick_: check http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <nick_> i allready have java
[07:54] <Surger> Is it normal for a dist-upgrade to remove apps? I'm missing hotplugging and the ntpd service.
[07:54] <Surger> Also I'm missing a lot of icons in KDE - for example kcontrol isn't anywhere to be seen in KDE.
[07:55] <aliasfred> i think it is normal to remove apps. after that, is it normal that those particular apps have been removed i dunno
[07:55] <RogueX> Hello
[07:55] <RogueX> Anyone tell me how to make file execute a double click under Konqueror?
[07:56] <Ash-Fox> RogueX, double click it?
[07:56] <chx> i just want honest opinions, not flames -- is it worth to buy an Intel Mac to run Kubuntu on it?
[07:56] <aliasfred> chx, why not buy a pc ?
[07:57] <RogueX> Ash-Fox: Yea I go to delete files but just selecting them causes them to run rather than allowing me to select them to be deleted, moved, or whatever
[07:57] <QMario> Draik, sorry for taking too long to respond, but I think the problem is that there are no Windows drivers on this machine.
[07:57] <Ash-Fox> Oh, you mean single click, RogueX, just run kcontrol the setting for changing single click is somewhere in there
[07:57] <aliasfred> chx, apple hardware tends to be more expensive, so i would say you need to good reason to buy it
[07:57] <RawSewage> Surger, www.boringville.com/blogs/Bilford/Kubuntu
[07:58] <draik> QMario, are you using Kubuntu 6.06?
[07:58] <vigilant_> how do i see how much space is left on my harddrive?
[07:58] <RawSewage> vigilant_,  df -h
[07:59] <RawSewage> or better yet, install KWikDisk
[07:59] <RawSewage> it gives you a tray icon
[07:59] <vigilant_> kool
[07:59] <vigilant_> ty
[07:59] <Surger> RawSewage: Funny thing is that I'm even missing the KDE System Settings menu :)
[07:59] <vigilant_> :)
[08:00] <chx> aliasfred: that's why i am asking -- is there an advantage if I do not use Mac OS X?
[08:00] <RawSewage> Surger, its not in System?
[08:00] <Surger> RawSewage: Nope but it was there before my dist-upgrade.
[08:01] <RawSewage> Surger, thats weird
[08:01] <draik> QMario, run Adept and make sure you have 'cupsys' installed
[08:02] <nick_> i've you have a site with users.telenet.be what is the publishing server then?
[08:02] <aliasfred> chx, i dont see any. why do you considere this choise ? i mean do you have any reason to buy a intel mac instead of a pc ?
[08:02] <vigilant_> when i search for kwikdisk in adept i find nothing, when i search for kwiki I find a quickie wiki thats not too tricky hehe
[08:02] <vigilant_> :)
[08:02] <RawSewage> vigilant_, KDiskFree
[08:02] <vigilant_> aha!
[08:02] <vigilant_> thanx
[08:02] <RawSewage> vigilant_, KwikDIsk is a module in it
[08:03] <QMario> Draik, what is Adept?
[08:03] <vigilant_> will gnome programs work in my kubuntu?
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, wait
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, kdf
[08:03] <vigilant_> rawsewage: search for kdf in my adept?
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, kdf is the package name
[08:03] <vigilant_> aha
[08:03] <vigilant_> rawsewage: thanx:)
[08:03] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install kdf
[08:03] <vigilant_> i found it in adept
[08:04] <RawSewage> ok
[08:04] <vigilant_> :D
[08:04] <vigilant_> kubuntu rox
[08:04] <harryo> Hi, after a upgrade to dapper, X refuse to start. Any ideas?
[08:05] <vigilant_> anyone know how to play the java game blood bowl in kubuntu?
[08:06] <vigilant_> ive installed the java package
[08:07] <RawSewage> did you get to the Agreement Page
[08:07] <vigilant_> and i got this directory with the game and a .jar file that kubuntu opens to edit
[08:07] <RawSewage> if you didnt Accept the Agreement, you didnt install Java
[08:07] <vigilant_> and a .lnk file that i used when i played it in windows
[08:07] <RawSewage> !java
[08:07] <vigilant_> i did accept it installed it in console
[08:07] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:07] <RawSewage> vigilant_, ok
[08:08] <vigilant_> the problem is how to get kubuntu to start the game
[08:08] <RawSewage> vigilant_, try this
[08:08] <RawSewage> right click the jar, and in Properties, make it executable
[08:08] <vigilant_> aha
[08:08] <vigilant_> one sec ill try :)
[08:08] <QMario> Thank you draik!!! :) I can move on from here.
[08:10] <RawSewage> Im clueless when it comes to Java
[08:10] <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: java -jar <name_of_jar_file>
[08:10] <RawSewage> vigilant_, ^^
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> err
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> sorry. thanks.
[08:11] <RawSewage> sledge_at_work, does making the jar executable also work
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: I don't know.
[08:11] <vigilant_> it opened it in "ark"
[08:11] <vigilant_> strange stuff
[08:11] <RawSewage> did you try the above
[08:12] <RawSewage> see sledge_at_work's
[08:12] <chx> aliasfred: i was looking for such a reason (i do not really know, better quality, speed, whatever) but apparently none exists. thanks.
[08:12] <vigilant_> jupp
[08:12] <sledge_at_work> vigilant_: not strange. a jar file is a java tar file. :)
[08:12] <vigilant_> "can be executed"
[08:12] <RawSewage> vigilant_, no, what sledge_at_work said
[08:12] <RawSewage> [18:10]  <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: java -jar <name_of_jar_file>
[08:12] <vigilant_> oh
[08:12] <vigilant_> no not yet
[08:12] <Doodluv> vigilant_: do as sledge said..
[08:12] <vigilant_> i will
[08:12] <vigilant_> oki
[08:12] <aliasfred> chx: no problem
[08:13] <vandenoever> is there a way to get faster sources?
[08:13] <vandenoever> my apt-get upgrade is very slow
[08:13] <mig> I have this problem. I want to edit files which only root has access to (in /var/www/), but graphically inside the KDE. can that be done?
[08:13] <vandenoever> the data travels half the globe from .au to .de at the moment
[08:13] <sledge_at_work> mig: kdesu <editorname> file
[08:14] <mig> I'll check it out, thanks
[08:14] <Doodluv> mig: sudo
[08:14] <sledge_at_work> mig: e.g.: kdesu gvim /var/www/foo/bar.conf
[08:16] <mig> any idea why I get "cannot connect to X server"?
[08:17] <aliasfred> mig, my guess is use 'kdesu'
[08:17] <vigilant_> "Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java"
[08:18] <Cagari> hi. Is anyone able to use Sagem fast 800 usb modem with kubuntu?
[08:18] <vigilant_> what does it mean?
[08:18] <aliasfred> this mean download the sun java :)
[08:19] <vigilant_> but i installed it allready :)
[08:19] <vigilant_> confusing
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> select the sun one
[08:20] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[08:20] <vigilant_> oki
[08:20] <aliasfred> vigilant_: do as h3sp4wn said, Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java <- the gnu.java tells you are not using it
[08:21] <vigilant_> oki
[08:21] <Doodluv> vigilant_: i had both installed, i just specified the path like /path/to/sun/java/bin/java -jar /usr/local/app.jar
[08:22] <RogueX> Does anyone know how to get the windows to remember where they were open last time and open at the same place next time??
[08:22] <vigilant_> :)
[08:23] <vigilant_> thanx
[08:23] <aliasfred> RogueX: i think there is a very hidden option in kde to set this up. dont remember where
[08:23] <aliasfred> i had this issue once with konqueror and found the answer
[08:23] <aseigo> RogueX: you mean on re-log in?
[08:23] <vigilant_> its working :D
[08:23] <vigilant_> now off to bloodbowl land! :D
[08:23] <vigilant_> thanks for all help people
[08:24] <aliasfred> no problem :)
[08:24] <RogueX> aseigo: no just whenever I open an app.  I like things to be in the same place instead of just opening in the next available corner
[08:25] <Doodluv> np
[08:26] <dek_aik> RogueX: right click the top bar, choose advanced --special windows settings
[08:26] <aseigo> RogueX: ah .. i see ... you want the "Window Specific Settings" control panel
[08:27] <aseigo> RogueX: create a new rule, don't define a window class, on the geometry page select Position and set it to Remember. possibly the same for size if you wish
[08:28] <david___> why my mp3 dont play ? please
[08:28] <aliasfred> !restricted
[08:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:28] <RogueX> dek_aik: help... when I right click I get add applet to panel and such
[08:28] <aliasfred> david___: this is for you
[08:29] <Cagari> ehrm can anyone help me?
[08:29] <vigilant_> will java work automatically from my firefox now?
[08:29] <vigilant_> inside the browser
[08:30] <RogueX> dek_aik: where do I go from menu?
[08:30] <dek_aik> RogueX: just right click the top border of your app, then you chooce the advanced--special windows settings
[08:31] <staatsrechner> how do i change the Resolution? i only get 640 x 480
[08:31] <dek_aik> RogueX: then choose geometry etc like aseigo said
[08:31] <RogueX> dek_aik: I found it..  Is there a way to set it for all apps and not just the one?
[08:33] <dek_aik> RogueX: i guess you have to choose the each app, on the windows options
[08:34] <aseigo> no, you can set it as a default setting
[08:34] <aseigo> go through the control panels, not the right click on the window
[08:35] <Cagari> Can anyone tell me how to work out sagem fast 800 usb modem on kubuntu plz?
[08:36] <RogueX> aseigo: Can you be more specific?  Do you mean somewhere in System Settings?
[08:36] <aseigo> RogueX: should be there, yes.. let's see..
[08:37] <excitatory> hrm.. something is wrong with dpkg/aptitude.. after every 'install' and/or 'upgrade', the following warning is output: ** (process:4542): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[08:37] <aseigo> RogueX: yep.. in the Desktop section
[08:37] <dek_aik> aseigo: well...it seems you still have to choose the apps, right?
[08:37] <RogueX> aseigo: OK found.  Now click New??
[08:38] <aseigo> dek_aik: i believe you can apply it to all windows by not specifying the exact window role type
[08:39] <aseigo> dek_aik: would have to try it to be sure.. been a while since i played with that stuff too much, but it seems to let one describe the window role stuff as "unimportant"
[08:39] <RogueX> aseigo: Ok I selected new and gave it a name.. what next?  :)
[08:39] <dek_aik> aseigo: :) i guess for a kde developer maybe
[08:40] <aseigo> RogueX: create a new rule, don't define a window class, on the geometry page select Position and set it to Remember. possibly the same for size if you wish
[08:43] <RogueX> aseigo: OK I got that.. It also said "
[08:43] <dek_aik> aseigo: in this case, if i choose max for all windows, then the usual small windows like "About KDE" would also max, i presume?
[08:43] <RogueX> aseigo: "recommended you at least liimit the window types to avoid special window types"
[08:43] <aseigo> dek_aik: you can pick which window types to apply it to on the second tab
[08:44] <aseigo> RogueX: : you can pick which window types to apply it to on the second tab
[08:44] <dek_aik> aseigo: aha!
[08:45] <vigilant_> how do i open ports for my game bloodbowl?
[08:45] <vigilant_> it says localport "3154"  but nothing happens
[08:45] <dek_aik> aseigo: just pick the "Normal Windows"
[08:46] <dek_aik> aseigo: thank you
[08:46] <vigilant_> anyone know how to open ports?
[08:48] <digibre4k> hallouw...
[08:48] <digibre4k> can u help????
[08:48] <RogueX> aseigo: Thanks..  if you dont understand what it means it not always easy to figure it out. :)
[08:48] <aseigo> RogueX: =)
[08:48] <RogueX> dek_aik: Thanks for you help too :)
[08:49] <kventil> nabn'd
[08:49] <aseigo> digibre4k: not if you don't ask questions.
[08:49] <digibre4k> i forget admin password!!!!!!!!
[08:49] <digibre4k> can u help me???
[08:50] <vigilant_> i hope they cant :)
[08:50] <dek_aik> aseigo: while you are here, why is it if i type man:/savage in konq there are extra '34' is it relate to encoding? i use utf8, fyi
[08:50] <vigilant_> cus then anyone could like get into my computer
[08:50] <dek_aik> RogueX: np..:)
[08:50] <kevin> i hit ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a terminal, but how do i get back to X now?
[08:50] <MadRush> alt+f7
[08:51] <MadRush> should be alt+f7 kevin
[08:51] <RogueX>  It worked!  Thank you.  That has been driving me nuts.. LOL
[08:51] <kevin> MadRush: thanks
[08:51] <kevin> exit
[08:52] <kevin> nope, that didnt do anything
[08:52] <notech> ctrl+alt+f7
[08:52] <kevin> tried that too
[08:52] <notech> try f8
[08:53] <notech> should be one or the other
[08:53] <kevin> i tried every function key
[08:53] <kevin> is there a shell command for it?
[08:53] <kevin> nm figured it out
[08:54] <aseigo> dek_aik: no idea
[08:54] <vigilant_> how do i open a port?
[08:55] <dek_aik> aseigo: do you experience it as well?
[08:56] <aseigo> dek_aik: yep. and yeah, i'd guess it's an encoding issue somewhere. not sure if it would be in that specific man page or kio_man or .......
[08:57] <coachj> can someone help me create an audio CD from mp3s  using  k3b
[09:00] <khes> coachj: add the mp3's to a new audio cd project?
[09:01] <aseigo> coachj: you may need to install the libk3b-mp3 package first
[09:01] <coachj> khes: I get an error msg saying unsupportrd format.
[09:02] <vigilant_> nobody knows how to open ports?
[09:02] <khes> you might have to add the universe respositories, and install [some codec]  (think this is in the wiki?)
[09:02] <uniq> vigilant_: it's open by default, so starting a application that listens on the port should be enough.
[09:03] <khes> vigilant_: are you talking about port forewarding on your router?
[09:03] <vigilant_> khes: no im just trying to play a game i think the router is open but not sure...
[09:03] <coachj> khes:what wiki
[09:04] <vigilant_> khes: how do i find out?
[09:04] <khes> hmm
[09:04] <vigilant_> uniq: the application that listens on the port is the game?
[09:04] <khes> there are web pages that test for open ports
[09:05] <helfrez> what still  amazes me is how kde can use kpilot to sync PERFECT dang near everytime with my pam pdas and treo now
[09:05] <khes> but if your on a 192-type ip (private block), and haven't got your computer in a dmz, my guess is that you'll have to foreward the ports manually
[09:05] <helfrez> and gnome can just work SOOOOO bad
[09:05] <vigilant_> what if i do this: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5555 -j ACCEPT" ?
[09:06] <vigilant_> ah
[09:06] <vigilant_> hmm
[09:06] <Doodluv> vigilant_: if ur behind a router, go to ur routers config http://<routerip> for example
[09:07] <khes> usually it's your default gateway (if it's not a larger network, that is)
[09:07] <khes> vigilant_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[09:07] <vigilant_> how do i find the ip?
[09:07] <Doodluv> like khes said, probably ur default gateway
[09:09] <MadRush> ok heres my problem: i can sftp into a box via CLI but not via konqueror
[09:09] <vigilant_> ty
[09:09] <coachj> khes:What wiki fir the cd burning
[09:10] <khes> coachj: trying to find it for you as we speak
[09:10] <coachj> thks
[09:12] <uniq> vigilant_: probably, the game yes. you can check if you have any iptables rules present with this command:  'sudo iptables-save'
[09:13] <khes> coachj: finally: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[09:13] <khes> not in the wiki, but still ;)
[09:13] <magical_trevsky> does anyone know the version of the rt2500 driver that ships in kubuntu?
[09:13] <magical_trevsky> (or what command I could issue to find out?)
[09:14] <coachj> thks
[09:15] <JesperSky> how do I get a dosemu with X support?
[09:15] <soulrider> does anyone know if ktorrent has an Ic channel ?
[09:15] <coachj> khes:thank you
[09:17] <uniq> magical_trevsky: dapper?
[09:17] <magical_trevsky> yep
[09:18] <uniq> magical_trevsky: run this command in console: 'modinfo rt2500'
[09:18] <DaSkreech> !info telepathy
[09:18] <ubotu> Package telepathy does not exist in dapper
[09:19] <magical_trevsky> uniq, perfect, thanks :D
[09:22] <DaSkreech> !Info telepathy edgy
[09:22] <ubotu> Package telepathy does not exist in edgy
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Liar
[09:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Hello
[09:23] <damian_> !xgl
[09:23] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:29] <danl> what could be causing my kubuntu to have unreasonably long dns lookup times?
[09:30] <aliasfred> danl: and not with other OS ?
[09:30] <danl> no
[09:30] <aliasfred> hmm dunno, may check you use the same dns server, or if there are some dns masquerade/local cache somewhere
[09:31] <Agios> danl, check to make sure the DNS servers you have in resolv.conf are all working. Also, disable ipv6
[09:31] <danl> ok
[09:31] <danl> one sec
[09:31] <aliasfred> ahhhhhh ipv6
[09:31] <aliasfred> ipv6 lookup can slowthings down
[09:31] <_earl> hi
[09:31] <Doodluv> hello
[09:32] <danl> that was the problem
[09:32] <danl> it was the resolv.conf
[09:32] <danl> had Search Belkin, then nameserver 192.168.2.1
[09:33] <danl> thanks
[09:33] <danl> perfect now
[09:33] <danl> resolv.conf completely slipped my mind
[09:34] <danl> so, now that's fixed, pdnsd should work correctly, right?
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> is edgy knot 2 out yet?
[09:41] <trappist> edgy knot 2?
[09:41] <crimsun> no.
[09:41] <RawSewage> it is knot
[09:42] <slow-motion> n8
[09:43] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Well done
[09:44] <RawSewage> DaSkreech, lol
[09:46] <oever> security.ubuntu.com is unreachable...
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> oever, yea i noticed that today when i did an apt-update
[09:53] <oever> whats qt4 caled on edgy?
[09:54] <fdoving> libqt4-dev for development files.
[09:55] <oever> fdoving: tx
[09:55] <hustla__> i need to know the name of the GD-lib in ubuntu? can u help me?
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> security.ubuntu is now reachable
[09:55] <fdoving> hustla__: libgd2
[09:56] <hustla__> thanx a lot
[09:56] <hustla__> ;)
[09:56] <fdoving> hustla__: that would be libgd2-dev if you're compiling something.
[09:56] <hustla__> thats ok .. thank u
[09:57] <crazy_penguin> i wish a good night to all! sleep well!
[09:57] <fdoving> good nite crazy_penguin.
[09:57] <hustla__> is this also for php integration?
[09:57] <fdoving> hustla__: no, package names php4-gd and php5-gd, pick the one matching your php version.
[09:57] <RogueX> Is there a Theme manager in Kubuntu like in ubuntu?
[09:58] <hustla__> .. thats it  .. ;)
[09:59] <fdoving> RogueX: i don't know how it works in ubuntu, but kubuntu have appearance settings in system settings -> appearance
[10:00] <fdoving> RogueX: actually.. you can try alt+f2 'kcmshell kthememanager'
[10:00] <hustla__> do i need to restart apache after installing php5-gd ?
[10:00] <RogueX> fdoving: In Ubuntu when you select a theme it is a whole package as one (colors, windows, icons)  in Kubuntu you have to change each one manuelly
[10:00] <fdoving> hustla__: yes. to re-load the module.
[10:01] <hustla__> ok
[10:01] <fdoving> RogueX: that's probably correct, did you try 'kcmshell kthememanager' ?
[10:01] <RogueX> fdoving: trying now
[10:02] <zxkv> clear
[10:03] <RogueX> fdoving: That looks like the KDE manager I was looking for.. :)  Why isnt it in the menu somewhere? .
[10:04] <fdoving> RogueX: it is in the kde control center, but system settings doesn't seem to include it. you can run 'kcontrol' from the shell or the "run command.." dialog (alt+f2) to get it.
[10:07] <RogueX> fdoving: thanks!
[10:10] <shocktrooper1> hello.  after no sound for several months I reinstalled alsa with success.  But now it seems my system is not detecting python2.4.  I reinstalled python but it didn't fix the problem.  what can I do?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> shocktrooper1, have you checked your soundcard drivers ' updates ?
[10:11] <shocktrooper1> no
[10:12] <shocktrooper1> my sound works but now python doesn't.
[10:14] <shadeofgrey> okay guys absnd gals i need help
[10:15] <shadeofgrey> i did something really bad to my kubuntu installation
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> for sojme reaason all the top menus for all my programs are appearing at the very top of my screen and are not showing up at all where they should be - like when i open openoffice the entire window is just icons and the text menus like file edit etc etc are at the very top of my screen
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> and this happens for all programs currently running
[10:18] <trappist> shadeofgrey: try hitting alt-f2 and running 'kwin'
[10:18] <BluesKaj> shocktrooper1, did you upgrade your python vers ?
[10:19] <shocktrooper1> they were 2.4 previously and working fine.
[10:19] <shocktrooper1> I think they were the latest.
[10:19] <shadeofgrey> nope that didnt work
[10:20] <BluesKaj> ok, not real familiar with game stuff
[10:22] <shocktrooper1> python is installed, do I need a symlink somewhere?
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need help here
[10:23] <trappist> shocktrooper1: ls -l `which python`
[10:23] <shocktrooper1> python 2.4
[10:23] <trappist> shocktrooper1: try logging out and back in then
[10:23] <shocktrooper1> ok, thanks.
[10:25] <|lostbyte|> Hey ! Guys
[10:27] <shocktrooper1> no, that didn't work.  I am using blender which usually detects python but it says, "No installed python found"  which is wrong.
[10:27] <shocktrooper1> because python is installed.
[10:28] <BluesKaj> do a, whereis python, just to make sure
[10:29] <shocktrooper1> its in /usr/bin/python, 2.4, etc.
[10:29] <mmikowski> echo $PATH
[10:29] <mmikowski> ?
[10:29] <shocktrooper1> could you be more specific?
[10:30] <mmikowski> Just thought of checking your path, but you probably find /usr/bin/python2.4
[10:31] <mmikowski> so its not a path problem
[10:31] <mmikowski> did you try a "which python"
[10:31] <shocktrooper1> from the konsole it says /usr/bin/python
[10:31] <mmikowski> or, better yet, "which -a python"
[10:32] <mmikowski> ok, then you should be set path-wise :)
[10:32] <shocktrooper1> its not detecting 2.4 in my blender folders
[10:32] <shocktrooper1> I'll try to echo the path
[10:33] <mmikowski> your path should include /usr/bin where python lives, but it is highly unlikely that is the problem.
[10:33] <shocktrooper1> yeah, that didn't seem to work.
[10:34] <mmikowski> what did you get when you typed in 'echo $PATH'
[10:34] <korgans> hi
[10:34] <korgans> someone ever installed cedega cvs ?
[10:34] <mmikowski> something like '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:...'?
[10:34] <shocktrooper1> I got /usr/local/sbin:/usr/binX11/ etc.
[10:35] <mmikowski> is /usr/bin in there?
[10:35] <shocktrooper1> yes
[10:35] <mmikowski> e.g. '...:/usr/bin:...'
[10:35] <mmikowski> ok, then not a path problem.
[10:35] <mmikowski> hmmm.  When exactly do you see the message, and what does it say?
[10:36] <shocktrooper1> ok, I just loaded blender 2.41 and it did detect it so it is definately blender 2.42a.
[10:36] <korgans> !info cedega cvs
[10:36] <ubotu> Package cedega does not exist in dapper
[10:36] <shocktrooper1> thanks for your help everyone.
[10:37] <korgans> hey soemone can help me throuight de cedega cvs installation
[10:37] <korgans> ?
[10:37] <mindbob> y/join ##c
[10:37] <mindbob> shit
[10:39] <paolo> hi boysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[10:40] <jott> korgans: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/
[10:41] <korgans> illt ry tghat thx
[10:43] <yo> hello , what making for connecting to kubuntu.fr please?! I 'am new! !
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !fr
[10:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:44] <trappist> yo: /join #kubuntu-fr
[10:45] <yo> thanks trappist !!
[10:46] <yo> i 'm sorry but my english is not suffisant for make a conversation ;-)
[10:46] <trappist> :)
[10:46] <yo> tchao !
[10:47] <BluesKaj> bon chance yo :)
[10:48] <yo> blueskay > merci mais il n'y a personne ;-)
[10:48] <BluesKaj> dommage
[10:49] <BluesKaj> q'est ce problem? mon francais n'est pas tres bien . mais
[10:50] <mmikowski> Anyone have luck getting Dual Screen VIA S3 Unichrome Pro?
[10:51] <yo> mais tu sais tenir une conversation ..!
[10:51] <BluesKaj> j'essai
[10:52] <ohan> hi world
[10:52] <BluesKaj> le problem , yo ?
[10:53] <ohan> hi is anyone here who knows the linux system very good?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> some more than other yeah :)
[10:53] <BluesKaj> others
[10:54] <ohan> lol
[10:54] <ohan> who   can tell me how can i use wine or something like that to call windows programs?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> !wine
[10:54] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:54] <fernando_> hi i need help i have problems with my video S3 ProSavage
[10:55] <fernando_> help
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> ohan: #winehq
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> ohan: But read the stuff in the topic there first
[10:56] <fernando_> masters! help xD
[10:56] <ohan> h3:  what is winehq?
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> ohan: the wine channel
[10:56] <ohan> oh
[10:56] <ohan> i see
[10:56] <ohan> thanks
[10:56] <yo> BluesKaj> c'est gentil mais il y a un trop gros problme !! c'est que j'ai dcid de quitter Windows pour paseer  linux donc je suis tout nouveau
[10:57] <BluesKaj> fernando_, have you tried upgrading the drivers for your vid card
[10:57] <fernando_> what can i do to upgrade?
[10:57] <fernando_> i dont know...
[10:57] <vandenoever> :-( edgy's kernel does not like my hardware
[10:59] <fernando_> i was searching in google but i dont find help, im noob :(
[10:59] <fernando_> where i can find drivers for S3 Pro savage video card
[10:59] <BluesKaj> yo, tenez les windows en in partition dev/hda et le partition de linux en dev/hd3  et le linux swap en partition dev/hd2
[10:59] <fernando_> 
[11:01] <fernando_> BluesKaj i have Ubuntu dapper... i think my drivers are ok, or not?
[11:01] <plugs> my openGL screensavers only display on half the monitor. how can i fix that?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> fernando, did you check in system settings/hardware/admin/videocard/config
[11:02] <Hawkwind> yo: Might want to join #Kubuntu-FR and take the French conversation there since this is really an English channel
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind,, he says there is no one in the french chat
[11:03] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Then he could join #Ubuntu-FR as there are many there
[11:03] <Hawkwind> 138 users in #Ubuntu-FR
[11:03] <Hawkwind> 18 in #Kubuntu-FR
[11:04] <fernando_> Anything who knows something about S3 ProSavage?
[11:04] <fernando_> i have problems with my videp
[11:04] <fernando_> video
[11:05] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get the KDE folder icon replaced by Tango?  when I select the Tango icon theme, all icons are replaced but the folder
[11:05] <scast> What's the best way to install crossover office, with an .sh or with .deb ?
[11:07] <vandenoever> back to dapper....
[11:08] <yo> Hawkwind>BluesKaj> thanks whis your "lien" it's good but not with /join #kubuntu.fr  !
[11:08] <greddy> i'm trying to setup a socks 5 server on my server running kubuntu, but i can only find socks 4 servers availible...anyone have any ideas?
[11:09] <ryanakca> umm... what happened to the topic?
[11:09] <ohan> i have wine installed already
[11:10] <ohan> but i can just run a few programs
[11:10] <ohan> no outlook
[11:10] <ryanakca> bur[n] er: I think that's a icon theme problem
[11:10] <ryanakca> ohan: crossover :)
[11:10] <BluesKaj> yo,  /join #kubuntu-fr
[11:11] <ohan> ??
[11:11] <ryanakca> There are so people in #kubuntu-fr
[11:11] <ryanakca> I for one am there...
[11:12] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, yo needs help ..my french sucks and his english ain't so good
[11:13] <BluesKaj> "yo" is a the guy's nick
[11:14] <ryanakca> yo: Join toi au canal #kubuntu-fr, en utilisant la commande:   /join #kubuntu-fr     Tu pourra recevoir de l'aide en francais la-bas
[11:16] <soulrider> anyone here got warsow?
[11:16] <plugs> my openGL screensavers don't display properly. the image is cut off, how can i fix this?
[11:17] <mmikowski> Anyone else notice crappy fonts after updating to kde3.5.4?
[11:17] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: he hasn't even attempted to join #kubuntu-fr
[11:17] <mmikowski> esp in adept
[11:17] <ryanakca> and who changed the topic and why?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> yeah ryanakca, I see that ..."shrug"
[11:18] <BluesKaj> dunno
[11:19] <ryanakca> paolo changed it, and he quit irc 10 seconds later... probably decided to run for his life :)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> whatever, it means nothing to me anyway
[11:22] <lovely> hello hello
[11:22] <hagus> Hallo :)
[11:22] <lovely> hello
[11:23] <bur[n] er> ryanakca: know where to get an updated tango where it does work?
[11:23] <hagus> Hi lovely :)
[11:23] <trappist> mmx1__: yes
[11:23] <lovely> I am new to linux, and have a few (dozen) question
[11:23] <trappist> lovely: shoot
[11:24] <hagus> I have managed to make my adept so that all packages are set to "no change" and they will not budge from that setting - how can I change it?
[11:24] <lovely> ok I have a wintv-pvr 150 and am not sure about the program needed to run it
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: first you need the drivers (ivtv or bttv, I'm not sure on that model) and firmware if it's the ivtv
[11:25] <lovely> what is firmware
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: then you have lots of choices of tv-watching software.  I like mythtv, but I don't know that it's in the repos
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: firmware gets loaded onto the card.  it's sort of like a driver, but on a lower level.
[11:26] <exmethix> iam making a dist-upgrade at the moment.... the repo. servers are very slow
[11:26] <exmethix> i get max. 10kb
[11:26] <exmethix> is that normal?
[11:26] <trappist> exmethix: security.ubuntu.com has been very slow the last couple of weeks or so
[11:26] <bur[n] er> sometimes
[11:26] <bur[n] er> sometimes I get 200+
[11:26] <lovely> ok so I have the site http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77389 but it isnt all that clear
[11:26] <hagus> I tried installing mysql server but found that it removed all the mysql packages bar one.  :(
[11:26] <exmethix> yes it seems to bee security.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <exmethix> the other servers are running well
[11:27] <trappist> lovely: you can use the ivtv documentation, it's distro-independent.  or, if it's a bttv card it's all much easier and you don't have to worry about firmware at all.
[11:27] <exmethix> is there an alternative repo for security.ubuntu.com???
[11:27] <XeXo2> hagus: Try Synaptic
[11:27] <hagus> ty XeXo2 :)
[11:27] <trappist> hagus: probably, but I dunno what it is
[11:28] <XeXo2> hagus: And start it using "kdesu synaptic"
[11:28] <hagus> ty XeXo2 :)
[11:28] <soulrider> does anyone here play warsow?
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> you would have to install it first
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> whats the name of the system update thing again?
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get install synaptic (if adept is broken)
[11:28] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> hey hagus whats the name of the utility for updating your system?
[11:29] <hagus> adept
[11:29] <lovely> trappest, I am only understanding a bit of this., now I have the site http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu up with spesifics, and near as I can tell it should work but the site is specific for  "breezy badger"
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> no
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you haven't yet done it I would recommend running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (at some point) or do you have all the security updates now ?
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> thats the package installer
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> i want the system updater
[11:29] <trappist> lovely: the instructions should still work
[11:30] <trappist> lovely: for the most part they should work for any linux distro
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> trappist: you know what im talking about?
[11:30] <bur[n] er> shadeofgrey: update-manager
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> shadeofgrey: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (would work)
[11:30] <hagus> h3sp4wn - atm, I seem to have a reduced set of packages, which are all described as installed and no change.  I think that I do need to do as you say.
[11:30] <bur[n] er> er... disregard... it's not update-manager, that's gnome
[11:30] <trappist> shadeofgrey: to update, I say sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <bur[n] er> shadeofgrey: adept_updater
[11:30] <lovely> so I just go thru step by step, I am a bit fearfull of screwing up my system
[11:30] <hagus> shadeofgrey: how would I find out what my system updater is?
[11:31] <hagus> I use adept to fetch updates
[11:31] <trappist> lovely: some things might fail (if they depend on other things) but nothing in there should mess your system up
[11:32] <lovely> thank you, I will folow the directions
[11:32] <trappist> lovely: it's all about getting and loading the firmware and the drivers
[11:32] <lovely> aparently in a specific order
[11:32] <trappist> yes
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> how do i check to see igf i have the latest version installed
[11:32] <hagus> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:32] <hagus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:32] <trappist> shadeofgrey: latest version of what
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> the system in general
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Is adept open at the moment ?
[11:33] <hagus> yes
[11:33] <lovely> thanx again
[11:33] <hagus> ah :)
[11:33] <hagus> ok I get the point :)
[11:33] <hagus> I have closed adept now :)
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> because l just did a complete reinstall cuz i fubared a bunch of crap and last time the first update i did needed 200 files and it updated the kernel too
[11:33] <trappist> shadeofgrey: if `grep dapper /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l` is more than 0, you do
[11:34] <shadeofgrey> it returned the number 12
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo apt-get update && apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (It seems you have the same issues I have where the sources don't update properly the first time)
[11:34] <trappist> shadeofgrey: then you're running the latest ubuntu
[11:34] <hagus> it claims to have read the packages, built dep tree, and calculated upgrade but nothing was required.
[11:35] <trappist> hagus: sounds like you're all up to date
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Can I see /etc/apt/sources.list (has it been changed since earlier ?)
[11:35] <june_> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[11:35] <hagus> it has h3 (sorry) :(
[11:35] <hagus> I have mucked around with it too much.
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> hagus: so its messed up again ?
[11:36] <nejode> use source-o-matic to build the new file with dapper repos
[11:36] <hagus> uh uh
[11:36] <june_> oops my clipboard was mucked
[11:36] <june_> i did lppasswd -a (from root) and then typed in the desired password, what do i use to auth with cups? i tried blank/password-from-lppasswd  i tried root/password-from-lppasswd i tried june/password-from-lppasswd   and not only that, password-from-lppasswd matches not only this user's password, but it also matches my root password
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Just pastebin it and I will see what is wrong with it
[11:37] <hagus> !paste
[11:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:37] <trappist> june_: I don't think there is a right user/pass combo.  I think you have to configure cups to allow access to the admin pages.
[11:38] <june_> hrm, so any idea how i would go about that? (sorry, i'm actually about a 3 month veteran of ubuntu, but i had never ever dealt with cups)
[11:38] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031
[11:39] <fdoving> !printing
[11:39] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:39] <hagus> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031
[11:39] <june_> thanks fdoving
[11:39] <june_> at least the printer works locally right now
[11:40] <fdoving> june_: i think 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' can sort out some auth problems with cups.
[11:40] <june_> but the idea was to have it available network wide, we'll see how that goes
[11:40] <fdoving> june_:
[11:40] <fdoving> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PrintingCupsWebInterface
[11:41] <june_> geeze, i think i don
[11:41] <june_> 't like konversation
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> hagus: that looks fine sudo apt-get install synaptic (and then kdesu synaptic - another package maneger) looks like you are upto date
[11:42] <excitatory> umm.. so i installed the new kde packages, and then every time i started a session, the kde personalizer would appear.  for a while, i continued to skip the wizard, but it still appeared every time.. so i finally broke down and went through it.. now all of my kde settings are defaulted and lost.. is there a way to restore this or do i have to manually fix everything?
[11:42] <june_> it opens konqueror which waits to download entire pages before it opens up... blah
[11:43] <june_> is there a "preffered applications" app for kde?
[11:43] <hagus> I downloaded synaptic via ftp and tried to use the action install at my cursor menu but it refused to install - i shall try using the konsole instead.
[11:46] <Blissex> june_: "preffered applications" app what does that mean?
[11:46] <Blissex> excitatory: depends on what you did...
[11:47] <TheHighChild> hagus: You need to install with Sudo, chances are the option you used to install wasn't root level
[11:47] <Blissex> excitatory: check whatever you did to '~/.kde' or if there is some directory named like that.
[11:47] <hagus> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:47] <hagus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:47] <hagus> is only available from another source
[11:47] <hagus> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[11:47] <Blissex> TheHighChild: hagus: actually use 'kdesu', otherwise 'sudo' will spawn a second KDE as 'root'
[11:47] <hagus> that is the message that came back when I tried to install as sudo
[11:48] <ryanakca> bur[n] er: nope... dunno
[11:48] <hagus> ah ty Blissex :)
[11:48] <Blissex> hagus: that is unlikely to happen unless your APT sources are messed up.
[11:48] <Blissex> !sources
[11:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:48] <Blissex> !easysource
[11:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:48] <june_> Blissex: Like, what the default web browser is, what the default mail program is
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> Blissex: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031 (that is is sources.list which looks fine to me)
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> *his
[11:49] <Blissex> june_: ah yes, the control centre/settings and then the 'Components' submenu.
[11:49] <Blissex> june_: and then 'Component chooser'.
[11:49] <TheHighChild> is it me or is security.ubuntu.com *almost always* down?
[11:49] <hagus> If I had managed to install synaptic would it appear on my start menu?
[11:49] <trappist> TheHighChild: lately, it's almost always either down or intolerably slow
[11:49] <Kyral_Laptop> there is no start menu
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Its just slow (except early in the morning (in the uk at least)
[11:50] <TheHighChild> I've added ghetto repos from forums I find and they're more stable than than security.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <Blissex> hagus: yes.
[11:50] <roshan> my fonts don't look terribly well, is there a way to grab someone's kde font config, copy it into the correct directories, and have the fonts look nice (i.e., choosing the right font and size for the different aspects of kde that you get to choose from kcontrol)
[11:50] <hagus> i do not seem to have it yet :)
[11:50] <trappist> roshan: did you upgrade to 3.5.4?
[11:50] <Blissex> roshan: that is unbelievably hard to do unfortunately. Font management is very hard.
[11:51] <Blissex> hagus: then use the source-o-matic to get sources and then 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[11:51] <roshan> trappist: I am at 3.5.4
[11:51] <trappist> it's not the "right" way to do it in ubuntu, but I follow the instructions in the googlable "font deuglification howto" and my fonts look beautiful when I'm done
[11:51] <Blissex> roshan: however in my indefinite wisdom I have written somewhat fullish discussions of the enormous mess.
[11:51] <hagus> source-o-matic?
[11:51] <Blissex> trappist: that is not so good.
[11:51] <trappist> roshan: yeah fonts are looking pretty rough for me too in 3.5.4
[11:52] <trappist> Blissex: it works *shrug*
[11:52] <Blissex> hagus: I printed out a couple of links for your before. I'll do again.
[11:52] <Blissex> "sources
[11:52] <Blissex> !sources
[11:52] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:52] <Blissex> !easysource
[11:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:52] <hagus> ah ok - sorry Blissex :)
[11:52] <hagus> I am oooooooooold :)
[11:53] <Blissex> hagus: me too... almost as much as you :-)
[11:53] <june_> Thanks Blissex
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: you're not old.  I'm 31.  the oldest ubuntu user on earth.
[11:53] <Blissex> roshan: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060509
[11:53] <roshan> hmmm....so is there a place where you can see what good font settings are to set up in kcontrol?
[11:53] <hagus> trappist - I am 53 lol
[11:53] <Blissex> roshan: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html for the brave.
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: awesome!
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: I hope to be that old myself one day.
[11:53] <Blissex> hagus: almost as much here.
[11:54] <tycho451> Hi, just a quick question: If I insert a cd isn't it supposed to mount automaticly in kubuntu?
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> trappist: don't be in too much of a hurry :)
[11:54] <hagus> It was from source-o-matic that I got the source.list that now populates my source.list :)
[11:54] <Blissex> roshan: examples of font rendering alternatives: http://ty.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060502
[11:54] <trappist> LeeJunFan: I didn't used to be, but at 31 I'm already old, so it's not like I have youth to squander.
[11:54] <Blissex> hagus: what happens if you do 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'?
[11:54] <Blissex> trappist: you are still an innocent little person at 31 :-).
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> tycho451: if it's a recognized filesystem then yes - you should get a popup asking what you want to do unless you've told it to not ask in the future on a previous attempt.
[11:55] <roshan> well, these seem like things you can do to change font config within X, I am talking about the font settings that you change within KDE, do you see the difference?
[11:55] <hagus> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:55] <hagus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:55] <hagus> is only available from another source
[11:55] <hagus> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[11:55] <Blissex> roshan: there is no difference. KDE just changes the FontConfig setting in '~/.fonts' instead of globally.
[11:56] <hagus> That is the message that it generates
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: that means your sources are not good. Synaptic is pretty much an essential bit.
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: try also 'sudo apt-get install adept'
[11:56] <roshan> Blissex: but, for instance, it seems like the fonts on my window title look nicer than the fonts in the drop down menus
[11:56] <hagus> it claims adept is already the newest version
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: anyhow, best thing is to use source-o-matic again and ask for more sources of more typed.
[11:57] <hagus> ok
[11:57] <roshan> also, does anyone else experience a crash when they do:  kmenu -> System Settings -> Appearance?
[11:57] <june_> hey, every KDE web app seems slow as hell, is it likely ipv6 is enabled by default? and if so, how do i turn it off?
[11:57] <Blissex> hagus: well, Adept is kind of like Synaptic and many people think it is better. So you can try that perhaps.
[11:57] <Blissex> roshan: perhaps you have nice bitmap fonts for titles and bad scalable ones for menus.
[11:57] <tycho451> LeeJunFan: The Popup shows up, but when I click "Show up in new Window" it tries to open "system:/media/hdd" which is not available
[11:58] <Blissex> june_: it is likely it is on, but it is unlikely the cause is IPv6. how slow?
[11:58] <Blissex> roshan: anyhow read in depth both blog entries, you really need to understand the many choices and types of fonts.
[11:58] <roshan> very well
[12:00] <Blissex> roshan: not so well, the mess is big and is not my fault, I assure you, I just describe it...
[12:00] <june_> Blissex: reminds me of my first time on ubuntu using firefox (of course, without ipv6 turned off) just painfully and unneccesarily slow
[12:00] <Blissex> june_: how many seconds or whatever?
[12:00] <june_> maybe 30+ for a simple page in the ubuntu wiki
[12:00] <korgans> hi im trying installing cedega and i got an eror that xlib 4.1.0 notinstalled but i installed xlibs @_@
[12:01] <june_> ie tables, the little header image, and some text
[12:01] <roshan> so no one else crashes when trying to access System Settings -> Appearance, huh
[12:01] <hagus> hm - I have repopulated my sources.list with every repository listed in the source-o-matic auto generated source.list.
[12:02] <Blissex> june_: try to do something slow and at the same time run 'vmstat 1' in a terminal window, and check the CPU time and 'bi' and 'bo' and 'si' and 'so' columns and see which ones get big.
[12:02] <hagus> it tells me I cannot connect to X server
[12:02] <Blissex> hagus: then do this: 'sudo apt-get update' to download the table of contents.
[12:03] <Blissex> hagus: after that try 'kdesu adept' just to see what happens.
[12:03] <hagus> cannot connect to X server4
[12:03] <hagus> X server even
[12:04] <june_> bo seems to be the biggest
[12:04] <june_> bi gets big every once in a while
[12:05] <Blissex> june_: how big in numbers?
[12:05] <june_> mostly zeros
[12:05] <june_> but
[12:05] <Blissex> june_: or better, use the ubuntu pastebin and paste 20-30 lines from that
[12:05] <june_> bo topped out at 732
[12:05] <june_> k
[12:06] <korgans> soemone have time to help me ?
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo apt-get update (then press control c straight away) then press the up arrow and enter pretty fast (that works for me every time)
[12:07] <hagus> ok ta :)
[12:07] <june_> Blissex: http://hstuart.dk/paste/view.aspx?id=f4ea5ab5-16e6-45cb-8865-7556995e874f
[12:07] <Blissex> june_: thats a lot actually for web browsing.
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> hagus: the package list never downloads properly for me otherwise
[12:08] <korgans> Somone is acknoledged here with cedega ?