[12:11] <bmonty> did any edgy automake packages get changed recently?
[12:16] <crimsun> just the usual sync from Sid
[12:19] <bmonty> crimsun: does 10 Jul sound right to you for the last upload?  I built a package in a pbuilder the other day with no problems, and now it FTBFS because of a syntax error in a Makefile.
[12:21] <crimsun> bmonty: of which source package?
[12:22] <bmonty> crimsun: I figure it has to be autoconf or make
[12:24] <crimsun> I know autoconf 2.60 has a few transition features; I'm not aware of any for automake.
[12:24] <crimsun> automake1.x ^
[12:25] <bmonty> hmmm, looks like debian had a similar problem, but it magically went away
[12:26] <crimsun> if by "magically" you mean packages had to be fixed ;)
[12:26] <bmonty> crimsun: no, I mean the package FTBFS, but then started building for some unknown reason (package is seq24)
[12:28] <crimsun> if it built successfully today but failed earlier, it's probably due to the mass give-back
[12:28] <crimsun> (I haven't looked at its LP page)
[12:29] <bmonty> It doesn't appear to have built successfully on the buildds, but I know it build in my pbuilder on Saturday
[12:48] <crimsun> please do not feed the troll in -devel.
[12:48] <LaserJock> sorry
[12:48] <LaserJock> I just thought that was really funny
[12:49] <LaserJock> I think that was the funniest thing I've read today
[12:50] <nixternal> LOL
[12:50] <LaserJock> wahooo, chuck the kernel cause there are too many distros ;-)
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Yeah, it was quite funny.
[02:20] <jdmpike_> are there mirrors for http://archive.ubuntu.com and http://security.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <jdmpike_> I am not able to pull from them - my downloads timeout
[02:21] <Hawkwind> Yes
[02:21] <Hawkwind> Look on the wiki and search for 'Mirrors'
[02:22] <Fujitsu> Not of security.
[03:11] <zul> oh microsoft how i spit in your face
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:18] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[04:18] <bddebian> Hi bmonty, Kyral_Laptop
[04:18] <bddebian> Uhm Kyral_Laptop? :)
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:18] <Kyral_Laptop> I'm a litttle tipsy
[04:18] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[04:18] <bmonty> good night everyone
[04:18] <Kyral_Laptop> hic
[04:18] <bmonty> :)
[04:19] <zul> yeah irc and drinking is a good mix
[04:19] <Kyral_Laptop> yeeeapapapapa
[04:19] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[04:19] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian :)
[04:19] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty_away
[04:40] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[04:40] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock
[04:44] <[cro] smiley> hi all
[04:46] <bddebian> Hello [cro] smiley
[04:46] <[cro] smiley> i have an application that i would like to be included in ubuntu repository if its possible. Here is project page: http://timesaver.sourceforge.net and deb package is here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170378&package_id=194451
[04:47] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: do you know if there is a source package for that .deb? a .deb alone isn't helpful for us
[04:48] <[cro] smiley> yes
[04:48] <[cro] smiley> there is at the same adress
[04:48] <[cro] smiley> both deb and tar.gz with sources
[04:49] <LaserJock> well, the the tar.gz isn't the source package
[04:49] <LaserJock> that's the source tarball which is a bit different
[04:49] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, ok what do i need then?
[04:49] <[cro] smiley> i made deb using just that tarball
[04:50] <[cro] smiley> at least that is what i read in a thread about making debs for ubuntu at ubuntuforums.org
[04:50] <[cro] smiley> this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[04:52] <LaserJock> use dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[04:52] <[cro] smiley> i did...
[04:52] <LaserJock> instead of dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:52] <[cro] smiley> atually i think i used sudo
[04:53] <LaserJock> you don't want to do that
[04:53] <[cro] smiley> ok
[04:53] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: the source package is the .diff.gz .dsc and .orig.tar.gz files
[04:54] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, so i just need to rename it or what?
[04:54] <LaserJock> do you hve those files?
[04:54] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock,  i mead its mine project at least i know its sources or? :)
[04:54] <[cro] smiley> *mean
[04:55] <LaserJock> source package != source tarball
[04:55] <[cro] smiley> what is the difference except name, that would help me a bit you know....
[04:56] <LaserJock> well the source package
[04:56] <LaserJock> is 3 files
[04:56] <LaserJock> the .diff.gz (which holds the diff to the tarball)
[04:56] <LaserJock> the .dsc which is the description file
[04:57] <LaserJock> and the .orig.tar.gz which is the source tarball
[04:57] <[cro] smiley> and way to make source package would be ?
[04:58] <LaserJock> dpkg-buildpackage
[04:58] <micahcowan> [cro] smiley, does your original tarball have a debian/ directory in it, or did you add it after, just to make a .deb (which is better)?
[04:58] <LaserJock> you should have one
[04:58] <[cro] smiley> oh now i know, sorry....
[04:58] <[cro] smiley> i have those
[05:00] <[cro] smiley> do you need dsc.asc?
[05:01] <LaserJock> no
[05:02] <LaserJock> that file usually exists if you didn't sign the .dsc file
[05:02] <[cro] smiley> so i put those 3 files in a package right?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:03] <micahcowan> Hi Hobbsee. :-)
[05:03] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: no
[05:03] <Kyral_Laptop> Hobbsee *drunken swagger*
[05:03] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, ok
[05:03] <micahcowan> [cro] smiley, nope, those 3 files /are/ the "source package"
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi micahcowan, Kyral_Laptop
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Kyral_Laptop: heh.  scary
[05:04] <[cro] smiley> micahcowan, so i upload that separattely
[05:04] <[cro] smiley> *them
[05:04] <micahcowan> I think you get someone (LaserJock?) to upload/sponsor for you?
[05:05] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: well, if want to get the package reviewed you upload to our REVU server with dput
[05:05] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[05:05] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock
[05:05] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[05:05] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: good, i dont think i took in a word of that electronics lecture :P
[05:06] <Hobbsee> s/arrested/pulled over, etc/
[05:06] <micahcowan> Shouldn't Kyral_Laptop be the one worrying? :)
[05:07] <Kyral_Laptop> huh?
[05:07] <micahcowan> what with all the swaggering...
[05:07] <Kyral_Laptop> wha?
[05:07] <Kyral_Laptop> Oh I'm faking
[05:07] <bddebian> Bah, I'm going to bed.  Gnight folks
[05:24] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, i looked at REVU and now i have created a gpg key and uploaded it to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <[cro] smiley> , what do i do next?
[05:24] <[cro] smiley> sorry for asking but i seem to lost the guidelines...
[05:26] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: do you have a Launchpad account?
[05:27] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, yes
[05:27] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: add you gpg key to your launchpad page
[05:29] <[cro] smiley> ok, i got it now...
[05:30] <LaserJock> [cro] smiley: ok, now join the ubuntu-universe-contributors Launchpad team
[05:30] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join
[05:30] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, no i said i understand, ill be done in a minute ;)
[05:31] <LaserJock> oh, sorry
[05:31] <[cro] smiley> np
[05:40] <[cro] smiley> just done adding gpg key to launchpad, this one of most exciting things ever done :)
[05:40] <[cro] smiley> joined the team :)
[05:42] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you don't have revu admin access, do you?
[05:43] <[cro] smiley> LaserJock, i don't think i have
[05:43] <[cro] smiley> oh sorry not for me
[05:44] <ajmitch> once the keyring syncs you'll be able to upload to REVU
[05:44] <ajmitch> please make sure you upload source-only packages, always with the orig.tar.gz
[05:44] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, ok thank you very much
[05:44] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, no problem
[05:45] <ajmitch> after your first successful upload, you'll be able to retrieve the password on REVU, which is just used for logging in to comment on your uploads
[05:45] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no I don't :-0
[05:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: keyring sync is almost done anyway
[05:45] <ajmitch> it just breaks badly if 2 people do it at once
[05:46] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, so i upload does 3 files mentioned above, right?
[05:46] <[cro] smiley> just to check
[05:47] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: dput revu package_version_source.changes
[05:47] <ajmitch> dput will take care of uploading what it needs
[05:47] <[cro] smiley> oh, ok then
[05:52] <caleb-> Hello. Is there any official channel for backporting? I want to ask backporting issue about edgy to dapper.
[05:52] <crimsun> generally, this one.
[05:54] <caleb-> crimsun: GTK2 of edgy has migrated to 2.10.0, and /usr/lib/gtk2.0/2.4.0 changed to /usr/lib/gtk2.0/2.10.0. All GTK immodules will be in 2.10.0/immodules, which will not be found in dapper.
[05:55] <caleb-> crimsun: I am maintainer of gcin, and gcin was approved to be backported. I wonder if I must do something for this...maybe add a 2.4.0 link point to 2.10.0?
[06:03] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, i have a problem i cant find *_source.changes, i only have: diff.gz, dsc, orig.tar.gz and deb
[06:03] <ajmitch> how did you build the package?
[06:03] <ajmitch> you should use debuild -S -sa, or dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[06:04] <[cro] smiley> i try but says: gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[06:04] <crimsun> caleb-: the backport from edgy will be built against dapper+dapper-security+dapper-updates. Is there any reason you'd need to adjust anything for GTK+ 2.8.x?
[06:04] <[cro] smiley> WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/smiley/.gnupg/gpg.conf'
[06:05] <[cro] smiley> should i changa ownership or what?
[06:05] <[cro] smiley> *change
[06:06] <ajmitch> does the name & email address you put in debian/changelog match that on your key?
[06:06] <[cro] smiley> yep
[06:07] <ajmitch> try with debuild -S -sa -kD7984D11
[06:10] <[cro] smiley> cp: cannot remove `config.sub': Permission denied
[06:10] <ajmitch> something for you to fix - it was probably built as root at some point
[06:10] <LaserJock> do you create the source package with sudo
[06:10] <LaserJock> s/do/did/
[06:12] <[cro] smiley> all fixed
[06:12] <ajmitch> great
[06:12] <[cro] smiley> _source.changes and _source.build appeared
[06:12] <caleb-> crimsun: GTK immodules needs /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules to update immodule data. If immodules was put in 2.10.0 directory, dapper's update-gtk-immodules will not find them.
[06:13] <ajmitch> iirc, revu is in the default dput configuration, so you should be able to just use dput revu package_version_source.changes
[06:13] <ajmitch> whatever the name & version may be :)
[06:13] <caleb-> crimsun: I have disscussed with seb128(maintainer of gtk2), but he said that is backport-team's problem.
[06:14] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, uploading .... :)
[06:14] <caleb-> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/54956
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54956 in gtk+2.0 "Wrong path name 2.10.0, should be 2.4.0 for back-compatibility" [Untriaged,Rejected] 
[06:15] <[cro] smiley> Successfully uploaded packages.
[06:15] <[cro] smiley>  :)
[06:15] <[cro] smiley> says not running dinstall is this ok?
[06:16] <[cro] smiley> name is tsaver_0.4-0ubuntu1
[06:16] <ajmitch> ah yes, it's there
[06:16] <[cro] smiley> yipeeee
[06:16] <ajmitch> it's a rather large .diff
[06:16] <caleb-> crimsun: I can add a link in gcin, then gtk2 needs not change. I just wonder if I have to upload a new gcin, or just let backport team to work?
[06:16] <[cro] smiley> ls
[06:17] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: I suggest you target edgy rather than breezy
[06:17] <ajmitch> also remove the .ex files in debian/
[06:17] <crimsun> caleb-: if it's backported, why are you concerned about GTK+ 2.10?
[06:17] <ajmitch> since they are examples only
[06:18] <[cro] smiley> ok
[06:18] <ajmitch> that's the majority of the .diff.gz
[06:18] <[cro] smiley> ok
[06:18] <ajmitch> also, clean up any unused #dh_* commands in debian/rules
[06:18] <caleb-> crimsun: It is approved for backport, but not backported yet. A CJK member told me that backport was done by machine automatically.
[06:19] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: debian/cron.d.ex will need renamed to debian/cron.d to be used
[06:19] <caleb-> crimsun: If that is true, then machine-made-backport will not work in dapper. It needs a 2.4.0 link to 2.10.0.
[06:19] <crimsun> caleb-: the source packages are uploaded manually and built by buildds, yes.
[06:20] <[cro] smiley> ok, im writing all down
[06:20] <caleb-> crimsun: OK. So I have to upload a new release for this issue. Thank you. :-)
[06:20] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: sorry, I should put this in comments on REVU :)
[06:20] <crimsun> caleb-: is this link a problem in dapper-updates's GTK+ 2.8.20?
[06:20] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, well its ok
[06:21] <caleb-> crimsun: No. Debian / Ubuntu GTK 2.4 to 2.8 all uses 2.4.0 for compatibility.
[06:21] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: I've put the comments from irc on revu
[06:21] <crimsun> caleb-: so why are you concerned about 2.10?
[06:22] <caleb-> crimsun: 2.10 in edgy broke this back-compatibility. It uses 2.10.0 instead 2.4.0.
[06:22] <crimsun> caleb-: Dapper doesn't have 2.10, therefore gcin will not be compiled against 2.10
[06:22] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, can you check dependencies, it depends on wxwidgets but i'm not shure if i did list them right...
[06:23] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency binu tils (>= 2.16.1-2ubuntu6 )
[06:23] <crimsun> caleb-: your newer version of gcin will be compiled against GTK+ 2.8.20
[06:23] <ajmitch> looks to be an added space there
[06:23] <caleb-> crimsun: gcin can work ok with gtk 2.4 to 2.10. That build-limitation is added by GTK2's maintainer.
[06:23] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: unless you really need things to be specific versions, you don't need to build-depend on anything in build-essential
[06:24] <caleb-> crimsun: It is ok. gcin works smoothly in hoary / breezy / dapper / edgy.
[06:24] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: also the binary package should not need automake & autoconf as dependencies - at most they should be build-depends
[06:24] <ajmitch> most of the Depends: line is not needed
[06:25] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, ok, if you can tell me what should i leave
[06:25] <[cro] smiley> ok
[06:25] <ajmitch> ${shlibs:Depends}
[06:26] <[cro] smiley> when do i execute that?
[06:26] <ajmitch> in Depends:
[06:26] <[cro] smiley> ah ok
[06:27] <ajmitch> you won't need all those wx packages in Build-Depends
[06:27] <[cro] smiley> where then
[06:27] <ajmitch> probably just libwxgtk2.6-dev
[06:28] <[cro] smiley> ok
[06:30] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, can you comment all this please just to be shure
[06:30] <ajmitch> done
[06:30] <[cro] smiley> thx
[06:31] <ajmitch> though it's 3 separate comments on revu now :)
[06:31] <[cro] smiley> i see, will be ok
[06:39] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, so is that all, did you try to install?
[06:40] <ajmitch> no, that was just from 2 minutes of looking at the diff
[06:40] <ajmitch> and the build log - it failed to build due to the space in binutils, which doesn't need to be there
[06:42] <[cro] smiley> so i have to fix that to continue checking or?
[06:43] <ajmitch> yep
[06:43] <ajmitch> someone else will hopefully pick up & do reviewing
[06:44] <[cro] smiley> ok, and who finally ads it to repos if all goes well?
[06:44] <ajmitch> one of the MOTUs
[06:44] <ajmitch> once it gets advocated by 2 MOTUs
[06:44] <[cro] smiley> i just wait
[06:44] <[cro] smiley> ?
[06:45] <ajmitch> yes, fix what you can, upload, and get comments
[06:45] <[cro] smiley> nice, well thanx for all the help it really means a lot
[06:48] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Contents in README.Debian looks a bit poor. If you have no important messages specific for Debian / Ubuntu users, you may remove that file.
[06:53] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Upload a modified and clean diff will make it enter into Ubuntu more easily.
[06:55] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, i'm working on it
[06:58] <Lathiat_> has anyone else noticed trouble with select copying and pasting in dapper
[06:58] <Lathiat_> i often find my newlines disappearing
[06:59] <Lathiat_> pasting from both firefox & terminals to both irssi & gaim
[07:16] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, packages uploaded
[07:19] <[cro] smiley> i have put tsaver new packages at revu that need to be reviewed
[07:21] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: It seems not updated yet. It may needs 5 minutes.
[07:22] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, ok it said: Successfully uploaded packages.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: changelog should for edgy, and * Initial release.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: compat should be 5, not 4.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: dirs is not needed in most situation.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Build-Depends should have debhelper, because your rules uses them.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Standards-Version should newer.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Long description includes short description. It is better have some
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: linefeed in long description.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: manpage should be tsaver.1 or something.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: manpage.sgml.ex is not needed.
[07:34] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: You may use lintian or linda to check your new diff and debs. Use those commands in edgy.
[07:41] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, what do you mean by: It is better have some linefeed in long description?
[07:44] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Your long description in control is too lone for a 80x24 terminal.
[07:44] <[cro] smiley> oh i see
[07:44] <[cro] smiley> no problem
[07:46] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: It still have some tiny problems. But I think you may fix these first.
[07:46] <[cro] smiley> ok
[07:48] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, is this ok: * ubuntu linux package for Edgy Eft
[07:48] <[cro] smiley> in changelog
[07:49] <crimsun> "Initial release." is fine
[07:49] <[cro] smiley> just that?
[07:49] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: tsaver (0.4-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[07:49] <crimsun> it'll be pretty obvious that it's for ubuntu edgy
[07:50] <[cro] smiley> and why does it have to be edgy if i may ask?
[07:50] <crimsun> because edgy is the current dev branch.
[07:51] <[cro] smiley> remove dirs?
[07:51] <crimsun> if you don't use it, remove it
[07:51] <[cro] smiley> and what should i do about Standards-Version
[07:51] <crimsun> (I haven't looked at it on REVU)
[07:52] <crimsun> it should be the latest according to Policy
[07:52] <crimsun> of course you need to verify first that it meets Policy
[07:52] <[cro] smiley> hm, that doesn't tells me much
[07:53] <crimsun> apt-cache policy debian-policy
[07:54] <crimsun> [and of course, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ ] 
[07:56] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Standards-Version is not that important. You may fix it later.
[07:56] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: check your debs and diff with lintian. It helps very much.
[07:56] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, ok
[07:59] <[cro] smiley> lintian say only: W: tsaver source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
[08:00] <[cro] smiley> well i think i fixed all mentioned above, I'm putting it up for third time...
[08:01] <crimsun> upid?
[08:02] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, sorry what?
[08:02] <crimsun> the URL.
[08:02] <[cro] smiley> what url
[08:03] <ajmitch> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2852
[08:03] <ajmitch> ah, there's been another one
[08:03] <ajmitch> 2853 then
[08:03] <crimsun> thanks, ajmitch
[08:03] <[cro] smiley> oh, sorry i know now
[08:04] <[cro] smiley> still uploading...
[08:05] <[cro] smiley> it is there now
[08:06] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Your tarball has no its own manpage? Those files in diff.gz should put in debian/, unless you want to patch source.
[08:07] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: for example, tsaver.1 should be put in debian/tsaver.1
[08:07] <[cro] smiley> no problem
[08:09] <Toadstool> 'morning
[08:10] <crimsun> Section: Utilities
[08:10] <crimsun> Description: TimeSaver is simple time management application.
[08:12] <crimsun> debian/copyright:Copyright needs date{,s}
[08:12] <crimsun> you generally should include the GPL preamble
[08:13] <[cro] smiley> ok, but what about section and descriptio?
[08:13] <crimsun> tsaver.1: +.TH TSAVER SECTION "August  1, 2006"
[08:13] <crimsun> note template SECTION
[08:15] <crimsun> Section: utils
[08:16] <crimsun> Description: a simple time management application
[08:16] <[cro] smiley> ok
[08:16] <crimsun> or just drop the article completely
[08:16] <crimsun> Description: simple time management application
[08:17] <ajmitch> it should generally be read as 'package is a'...
[08:17] <ajmitch> so yes, drop the article
[08:17] <[cro] smiley> where does .TH TSAVER SECTION "August  1, 2006" go?
[08:18] <[cro] smiley> what line in tsaver.1
[08:18] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: depend_script is useless I think.
[08:19] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, yes you are right i used it for filling the dependencies in control
[08:20] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: that's what ${shlibs:Depends} is for
[08:20] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: the line placement is fine in the man page. You just left in the template SECTION without changing it.
[08:20] <[cro] smiley> yes, i didn't know, i was following ubuntuforums.org example as i said before
[08:23] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: make install creates essential directories, so debian/dirs is not needed.
[08:23] <[cro] smiley> ok
[08:23] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: or you will have a useless /usr/sbin directory in your deb
[08:24] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Most problems are resolved. Others needs MOTU to review.
[08:24] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, so is it possible to install it?
[08:25] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, so can i replace SECTION with 1
[08:25] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: You have not tried it? I am under win32 in work. I can not build it now...
[08:25] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, well not this modifed version
[08:25] <[cro] smiley> i tried one i made myself only
[08:26] <carthik> caleb-, but you are free
[08:26] <carthik> my University has sold out too
[08:26] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: sure
[08:27] <carthik> and all the sysadmins would lose jobs if they moved off of Microsoft
[08:28] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, do i also replace the NAME?
[08:28] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, in .SH NAME
[08:30] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Your are the upstream author? If your put the manpage in next release, then you do not have it in *.diff.hz :)
[08:32] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, yes i'm the author, and what should i do about manpage, i don't understand?
[08:35] <[cro] smiley> what should i do about copyright?
[08:35] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: debian / ubuntu do not change upstream tarball unless they have non-free data.
[08:36] <[cro] smiley> where do i need a date?
[08:36] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gcin-0606170225/gcin-1.2.0/debian/copyright # a example of copyright file
[08:38] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: It is debian's traditional style. It is not the best version, though.
[08:41] <[cro] smiley> is my licence text ok, or do i have to copy /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[08:42] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: list 3 or 4 paragraph in copyright, and leave a message point to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[08:43] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: You may leave this issue unfixed. Wait MOTU to comment.
[08:44] <[cro] smiley> ok
[08:45] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: make sure all files in diff.gz is under debian/, and make sure lintian and linda are happy. Then wait for MOTUs. :-)
[08:49] <[cro] smiley> fourth upload on the way...
[08:53] <[cro] smiley> linda and lintian are now complaining, please help: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2854
[08:54] <[cro] smiley> sorry: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2855
[08:55] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: It is just about debhelper's version.
[08:56] <[cro] smiley> caleb-, i don't think so
[08:56] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Grossly it looks fine now.
[08:56] <[cro] smiley> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/tsaver-0608080245/lintian
[08:56] <[cro] smiley> or am i looking at the wrong one
[08:57] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: edgy is not a traditional debian release name. It is normal for you.
[08:57] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Build a new deb using current diff file, and check deb by lintian / linda.
[08:58] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: And a bad news...I think edgy is freeze for upstream now. Your package may wait for edgy+1 to enter ubuntu.
[08:59] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: Unless some core team member want to upload the package for you.
[08:59] <[cro] smiley> and when is edgy+1
[08:59] <crimsun> eh, new for universe is fine
[08:59] <caleb-> [cro] smiley: April 2007 I think.
[08:59] <[cro] smiley> not soon
[08:59] <crimsun> this doesn't at all need to go into main
[08:59] <ajmitch> universe is not frozen
[08:59] <caleb-> Oh. sorry. :P
[08:59] <ajmitch> new apps are accepted until late september, iirc
[09:00] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[09:00] <ajmitch> Universe freezes sept 28th
[09:01] <[cro] smiley> can i change debian/compat back to 4, i think this is a problem?
[09:01] <ajmitch> no, you probably just heard about main's UVF
[09:01] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[09:02] <ajmitch> [cro] smiley: having it at 5 is no problem if you build-depend on debhelper (>= 5.0.0)
[09:02] <dholbach> good morning
[09:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: hey andrew
[09:02] <[cro] smiley> ajmitch, sounds like someone forgot to mention that :)
[09:03] <[cro] smiley> and is debhelper >= 5.0.0 available at all?
[09:04] <dholbach> 5.0.37.3ubuntu1
[09:04] <dholbach> that's what we have in ubuntu atm
[09:04] <dholbach> (edgy)
[09:04] <[cro] smiley> thx
[09:06] <[cro] smiley> i hope this is the last upload, must get some sleep
[09:12] <[cro] smiley> seems ok now, now is all to MOTUs, and Im going to sleep
[09:13] <[cro] smiley> night guys and thanks for all the fish ;)
[09:18] <ajmitch> night [cro] smiley
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:38] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[10:14] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso
[10:15] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[11:22] <kagou> hi
[12:07] <cbx33> hi guys
[12:08] <cbx33> when installing phpmyadmin, should I just be able to browse to localhost/phpmyadmin
[12:08] <cbx33> or do I need to set stuff up manually
[12:19] <TheMuso> cbx33: #ubuntu
[12:24] <cbx33> TheMuso: fixed it now
[12:27] <phanatic> hello
[01:32] <TheMuso> Does one have to subscribe a specific MOTU related team to get a sync request confirmation examined?
[01:32] <ajmitch> motureviewers *may* work
[01:33] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm assuming it's the universe team that you used before.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> or just poke someone here, i guess
[01:33] <ajmitch> if MOTUs are willing to check that list for syncs pending
[01:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: might be offering :P
[01:33] <ajmitch> Hobbsee is a MOTU
[01:33] <TheMuso> I know that.
[01:33] <ajmitch> Hobbsee can do all
[01:33] <ajmitch> no need to subscribe anything :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i just uploaded one of his bits.  it's your turn nwo :P
[01:34] <ajmitch> I'm busy updating stuff in main
[01:34] <TheMuso> heh
[01:34] <TheMuso> Tis fine guys. I shan't depend on you for too much longer.
[01:34] <ajmitch> swearing at upstream, etc
[01:34] <TheMuso> I intend to go for MOTU as soon as I can get my key signed by someone who is part of a strong set.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: haha
[01:34] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: stevenk can sign it, i expect
[01:35] <StevenK> I so can't.
[01:35] <TheMuso> heh
[01:35] <Hobbsee> StevenK: why not?  ajmitch signed yours?
[01:35] <zul> ajmitch is not strong enough physically oh wait...you are talking keys,
[01:35] <ajmitch> watch it zul
[01:35] <zul> hehe..
[01:36] <zul> hi ajmitch
[01:36] <ajmitch> hello
[01:36] <StevenK> TheMuso: If you're free during the day, you can bug me at work and we can lunch together.
[01:36] <TheMuso> StevenK: I'll think about it. There is one problem however, one which I had an interesting time resolving when I had to get my key signed to look a bit better when signing the coc.
[01:37] <StevenK> TheMuso: Verifying the other party
[01:37] <TheMuso> Yup.
[01:38] <StevenK> Bart uses someone sighted who he trusts.
[01:38] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's a point.
[01:38] <TheMuso> Thats what I had to do.
[01:38] <StevenK> TheMuso: Dealing with blind people teaches you just how much people depend on sight.
[01:38] <TheMuso> If I ever get around to setting up a blog, it is something that I will certainly blog about.
[01:39] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[02:35] <neutrinomass> Generally speaking, is it a rule that no two patches can change the same function ? Because if they do, and you edit the first patch, then you might have to edit the second patch as well which might break something else etc. etc.
[02:41] <siretart> neutrinomass: now you see why some ppl prefer a VCS over a patch system
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hi siretart
[02:41] <neutrinomass> siretart: True ...
[02:43] <neutrinomass> And since we're at it, should bugs be filed against packages with unmet deps or will this be sorted automatically before release ?
[02:43] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee!
[02:43] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: they usually have a script for that.  its' quicker to just fix it though, and get someone to upload it :)
[02:43] <siretart> neutrinomass: I think bugs should be filed and tagged appropriately, so we can batch process them
[02:44] <neutrinomass> OK OK, I'll file one ...(Hobbsee I already told you that I can't really fix stuff yet :P )
[02:44] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: you can learn to :P
[02:44] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: what package, and what's the fixed build dep?
[02:47] <neutrinomass> bug 55666
[02:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55666 in moodss "[UNMETDEPS]  moodss has unmet dependencies" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55666
[02:47] <phanatic> cool bugno :)
[02:48] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: I just finished the patching tute, searching the wiki for more reading material
[02:48] <siretart> do we already have a tag for unmet deps?
[02:48] <neutrinomass> siretart: I looked a little bit at the ones in the /topic but they had no tags ...
[02:50] <ajmitch> siretart: tags seem to get added at random by users
[02:50] <siretart> neutrinomass: perhaps we should start compiling a list of proposed tags
[02:50] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[02:50] <ajmitch> hi :)
[02:50] <neutrinomass> siretart: There's some discussion on the -devel mailing list, isn't there ?
[02:52] <siretart> neutrinomass: yes, dholbach started it. I'm following that thread
[03:47] <TheMuso> Night folks
[03:48] <ajmitch> night TheMuso
[03:49] <neutrinomass> Um.. what does dh_desktop do exactly? Is it required whenever installing a .desktop (I looked at the man page but it didn't really elaborate )
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:51] <StevenK> neutrinomass: It takes care of modifying the postinst/prerm
[03:51] <ajmitch> neutrinomass: it adds bits to the postinst/postrm to run update-desktop-database
[03:52] <ajmitch> which is of course undocumented
[03:52] <neutrinomass> ajmitch: Which means that it should be used whenever a .desktop is installed, right ? (Sorry, I'm very new to this )
[03:52] <ajmitch> I think so
[03:53] <neutrinomass> Actually, by grepping through gftp's and gerbv's debian/ directory, none of them use it :-/
[03:55] <neutrinomass> And should the changelog be edited with a text editor or with dch ? (or does it make no difference? )
[03:56] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: it'd be in debian/rules
[03:56] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: I figured, but it isn't :-/
[03:56] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: and dch (with -i, if you want to increment the changelog) effectively adds bits to the changelog, and opens it in your favorite text editor.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: it's quicker to do dch
[03:57] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[03:57] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: ah.  does the package happen to use cdbs?
[03:59] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Um... not sure - it's got no gnome.mk in it though
[03:59] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: what do the first few lines of debian/rules say?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> does it have something about includes?
[03:59] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: No, and there's no reference to cdbs in debian/control ...
[04:00] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: ah right.  how odd.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: doesnt use cdbs then :P
[04:00] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: you'd be right.  it's an alternate to debhelper
[04:00] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: anotehr build system
[04:01] <neutrinomass> Ok, thanks.
[04:01] <tseng> get a room!
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:01] <StevenK> tseng: I have one, thank you.
[04:01] <StevenK> Hobbsee will know what I'm talking about.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> !!!!!
[04:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!!! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:01] <Hobbsee> oh now i do
[04:01] <ajmitch> a certain 4 letter word, I presume
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, that's the one
[04:02] <StevenK> Correct.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> i had to think about that for a while.
[04:02] <ajmitch> really?
[04:02] <tseng> not really a word
[04:02] <ajmitch> must be late for you :)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh
[04:02] <StevenK> ajmitch: Not as late as it is for you.
[04:03] <ajmitch> yes, but I'm trying to fix xen stuff
[04:03] <Hobbsee> evil...must...purge...all...evil......
[04:03] <neutrinomass> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/NoDesktopFile though, if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, dh_desktop must be called. :-/
[04:03] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Heh, I'm sorry.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> s/thigns/things/
[04:04] <zul> heh ajmitch does my bidding now
[04:04] <ajmitch> yes master?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> zul: nice work.  the mind control hats are working then :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, that was a school joke. darn.
[04:04] <zul> Hobbsee: yes and when he does something wrong the hats have electrodes
[04:04] <Hobbsee> zul: hehe, very nice.
[04:04] <ajmitch> yay, pain1
[04:05] <zul> ajmitch: it builds character
[04:05] <ajmitch> and it's so much fun
[04:50] <neutrinomass> bug 55356 - my first debiff - can somebody please take a look to see if it's OK ?
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55356 in specimen "specimen has no .desktop file" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55356
[05:02] <neutrinomass> Actually, it doens't look correct ( I didn't change all that), but I don't know what went wrong :(
[06:32] <phanatic> pinging some reviewers: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2847 :)
[06:36] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I'll have a look in 1 or 2 minutes :)
[06:36] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thanks :)
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I'm not sure about the files in /usr/lib
[06:50] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: do you think they would be more appropriate in /usr/share/uck maybe?
[06:50] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, I think so
[06:51] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: okay. if there's nothing else, i'll update the package
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> and the watch seems a little buggy ;)
[06:51] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: maybe the guys changed the extension :) it has worked for 1.1, but 1.2 was just recently released (after the package was done btw) :)
[06:52] <Gloubiboulga> gauvain@tiber:/var/revu/revu1-incoming/uck-0608070510/uck-1.2$ uscan
[06:52] <Gloubiboulga> uck: remote site does not even have current version
[06:53] <Gloubiboulga> I guess you're right ;)
[06:55] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: indeed. .tgz was changed to .tar.gz - consistency rulez :)
[06:55] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[06:56] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: just add that to your comment too, so i don't forget it ;)
[06:56] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, ok :)
[07:14] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2858
[07:16] <Gloubiboulga> /me looks
[07:21] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, Cannot read file /usr/share/gfxboot/themes/Ubuntu/langlist, please check that you have package gfxboot-theme-ubuntu installed
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> I have this error when I try to run the guy
[07:22] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: gfxboot-theme-ubuntu should be a dependency...
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> and I have gfxboot-theme-ubuntu installed
[07:22] <phanatic> oh, well
[07:22] <phanatic> upstream bug :)
[07:22] <phanatic> you running edgy i suppose...
[07:22] <Gloubiboulga> did you test on edgy?
[07:23] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[07:23] <phanatic> okay
[07:23] <phanatic> i'll tell the coders to dist-upgrade then :)
[07:23] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[07:26] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i'll come back to you when this is fixed :)
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, ok :)
[07:27] <Gloubiboulga> I'm off for tonight, I have a great book to read :)
[07:27] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: thank for your time, enjoy then :)
[07:27] <Gloubiboulga> thanks phanatic, see you
[08:15] <Whoopie_> Hi, just saw that there are two sync requests for xosd, bug 55660 and 55678. Am I allowed to mark one of these as a duplicate?
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55660 in xosd "Sync request for xosd." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55660
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55678 in Ubuntu "sync xosd 2.2.14-1.3 from sid (overriding changes OK)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55678
[08:16] <zul> sounds good to me
[08:17] <Whoopie_> zul: as a dev could you do it perhaps?
[08:17] <zul> probably not right now since im at work
[08:18] <Whoopie_> which one should I mark as a duplicate, the older or newer bug report?
[08:18] <zul> which has more information?
[08:18] <imbrandon> is one ack'd by a motu ?
[08:19] <Whoopie_> no
[08:20] <imbrandon> looking i would mark the first as a dupe and leave the one lucas filed
[08:20] <imbrandon> as lucas is a MOTU
[08:20] <lucas> oops
[08:20] <Whoopie_> lucas: Hi! could you do it?
[08:21] <imbrandon> hehe or have lucas just ACK the first one and then mark his as a dupe ;)
[08:21] <imbrandon> either way the mans here now ;)
[08:21] <imbrandon> heh
[08:23] <lucas> imbrandon: done
[08:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:33] <bddebian> hahaha, my karma is 588,000+ now.. Oh brother :-)
[08:33] <Toadstool> bddebian: wow, you rock! :)
[08:34] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[08:34] <azeem> bddebian: get davyd to integrate that into his GNOME thingy
[08:35] <azeem> bddebian: http://davyd.livejournal.com/189538.html
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, has anybody dist-upgraded from dapper to edgy recently?
[08:39] <zul> nope i took the plunge earlier
[08:45] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[08:45] <bddebian> azeem: ?
[08:46] <bddebian> azeem: Oh, hehe
[09:08] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i did about 1.5  days ago on my ppc lappy
[09:09] <imbrandon> this box though has been on edgy for a long time
[09:09] <LaserJock> k
[09:09] <imbrandon> problem ?
[09:09] <LaserJock> well, at first I was just going to do a dist-upgrade
[09:10] <LaserJock> but it wanted to do some funny things
[09:10] <imbrandon> i'll tell you now though that you will have to dpkg --configure -a and rerun dist-upgrade a few times
[09:10] <imbrandon> infact i had to remove oo.o and reinstall it once it was done
[09:10] <LaserJock> I'm using ugrade-manager now
[09:10] <imbrandon> atm its not a pretty process but you can get it done with no data loss
[09:10] <imbrandon> cool
[09:11] <LaserJock> me too
[09:11] <LaserJock> I suppose
[09:11] <imbrandon> heh
[09:12] <LaserJock> I don't know that it would change much
[09:12] <LaserJock> I'd probably get an AMD64 and a macbook pro
[09:12] <LaserJock> and a new car
[09:12] <imbrandon> me either cept i could afford all my toys i want
[09:12] <imbrandon> yea heh
[09:12] <LaserJock> but other then that, I'm not sure
[09:12] <imbrandon> probbaly fund a few ( quite a few ) bounties lol
[09:13] <LaserJock> yeah, that would be cool
[09:13] <imbrandon> and a new computer lab and new car, but other than that yea pretty much the same
[09:13] <LaserJock> i'd have to fund the "One Science app to rule them all" bounty ;-)
[09:13] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:13] <imbrandon> scibuntu lol
[09:13] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[09:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: what archive mirror do you use?
[09:14] <imbrandon> i have a local mirror i sync with archive. once an hour
[09:14] <LaserJock> hmm archive seems almost dead
[09:14] <imbrandon> old 333 mhz sitting in the closet ;)
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea it runs about 30kb a sec for me most of the time , us. is a little faster but lags behind on updates sometimes
[09:15] <LaserJock> and us.archive is giving me ~60K which will not due for an upgrade to edgy
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea
[09:15] <imbrandon> you could use mine but outside my network you'll be lucky to get 40kb sec
[09:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock: more than welcome to try it though ( i386 , ppc and source only though no amd64 mirror ) http://72.135.8.5/ubuntu
[09:17] <imbrandon> but like i said probbably wont get better than 35 - 40k outside my lan
[09:22] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'm getting ~ 1.4mps  now from Portland :-0
[09:23] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[09:23] <imbrandon> nice
[09:23] <imbrandon> LaserJock: you got a fileserver on your lan ?
[09:23] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[09:24] <LaserJock> I'm at the uni
[09:24] <imbrandon> if you have about 30gb on a file server i can help ya setup a local mirror ;)
[09:24] <imbrandon> ahhh
[09:24] <LaserJock> I should have a talk with the CS department
[09:24] <imbrandon> yea really
[09:24] <imbrandon> they would probably go for it as many use ubuntu now
[09:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:24] <imbrandon> hell i would use it when i'm in town ;)
[09:24] <imbrandon> heh
[09:25] <imbrandon> i need to make another trip out that way soonish
[09:25] <LaserJock> yeah, and now that we have a lot more wireless on campus I could be sitting outside dist-upgrading away ;-)
[09:25] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder if one of the uni's arround here mirror
[09:26] <imbrandon> hehehe
[09:26] <LaserJock> but what am I talking about, they put us Physical Chemists in the basement where we get no windows :-)
[09:27] <LaserJock> sun light might hurt :-)
[09:27] <imbrandon> or anywhere arround here for that matter, /me go's to look at the LP mirror page
[09:27] <imbrandon> hahaha true
[09:28] <imbrandon> hrm where is anl.gov ?
[09:28] <LaserJock> I think that's close to Chicago
[09:28] <imbrandon> hrm thats not too far, closer than protland for me
[09:29] <imbrandon> but its +6 hours behind
[09:29] <imbrandon> guess its better than the minisota mirror a week behind
[09:29] <imbrandon> jes
[09:29] <LaserJock> I just need to dist-upgrade and then I'll probably switch back to archive.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <imbrandon> gah wrong key grrrr
[09:35] <imbrandon> tseng: ??
[09:35] <tseng> when I was 16 I thought stuff like that was pretty rad
[09:35] <imbrandon> heh yea, i forgot i had even maped that key
[09:36] <imbrandon> to my windows key
[09:39] <[cro] smiley> hi all
[09:39] <imbrandon> hello
[09:40] <[cro] smiley> i would like some of the motu to check this: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2856 ,thank you.
[09:40] <[cro] smiley> *like to invite :)
[09:41] <crimsun> that's you, imbrandon.
[09:41] <imbrandon> hehe yea i'm looking
[09:41] <imbrandon> moins crimsun
[09:42] <bddebian> Heya crimsun, imbrandon
[09:42] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[09:42] <crimsun> hi.
[09:45] <imbrandon> only thing i see right off without knowing much about the pkg ( and not real exp revuing them ) is the standards version is a tad old
[09:45] <imbrandon> ( for edgy )
[09:45] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: ^^
[09:45] <crimsun> it should be 3.7.2 if you created it from scratch and followed Policy.
[09:46] <[cro] smiley> i was told to leave that
[09:47] <[cro] smiley> anyone wants to help me make that 3.7.2?
[09:47] <crimsun> um, change the numbers
[09:47] <[cro] smiley> hmm, only that? :)
[09:48] <[cro] smiley> sounds too simple
[09:48] <crimsun> no, certainly not. Did you check Policy to see if your package meets all its guidelines?
[09:48] <[cro] smiley> no
[09:48] <imbrandon> well you could loo at vi /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz and make sure
[09:48] <imbrandon> it meets the new guidelines
[09:49] <imbrandon> s/vi/<fav editor>
[09:50] <imbrandon> other htan that though its looking ok to me , i dont see anything else that sticks out
[09:51] <imbrandon> possibly ad the preamble to the debian/copyright ( and tell what version of the GPL its under )
[09:52] <crimsun> (yep, all mentioned yesterday)
[09:56] <[cro] smiley> is this ok:
[09:56] <[cro] smiley> You are free to distribute this software under the terms of
[09:56] <[cro] smiley>         the GNU General Public License (Version 2, June 1991).
[09:56] <[cro] smiley>         On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public
[09:56] <[cro] smiley>         License can be found in the file `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.
[09:56] <[cro] smiley> sorry for paste
[09:58] <[cro] smiley> first line goes tab also, and without "sorry for paste" ;)
[09:59] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/apt-mirror-0607130210/apt-mirror-0.4.4/debian/copyright
[10:00] <crimsun> note that for all new source packages for universe, you need to make sure the GPL Preamble is actually up-to-date.
[10:00] <[cro] smiley> ill just copy that one
[10:00] <imbrandon> It was downloaded from <http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/timesaver>  <-- shouldent that be the project website also ?
[10:00] <imbrandon> crimsun: ^^
[10:01] <crimsun> no, that URL is fine
[10:01] <[cro] smiley> well i thougt it should be direct link
[10:01] <imbrandon> okie
[10:01] <crimsun> as long as it is easily navigable to a tarball, it's sufficient
[10:02] <crimsun> note that "59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307" is outdated
[10:02] <crimsun> See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html for the current address
[10:02] <imbrandon> gah yea i need to fix that ( and tell upstream heh )
[10:08] <micahcowan> Someone want to draft an RFC for physical URNs?
[10:08] <micahcowan> physical address URNs
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> does anyone use chrpath ?
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> i've put
[10:09] <Sp4rKy>      chrpath -d debian/tmp/usr/bin/audacious
[10:09] <Sp4rKy>         chrpath -d debian/tmp/usr/bin/audtool
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> 
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> in my debian/rules
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> and chrpath in B-D
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> but i've always this messages :
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> W: audacious: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/audacious /usr/local/lib
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> W: audacious: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/audtool /usr/local/lib
[10:15] <[cro] smiley> is this ok from lintian: W: tsaver source: newer-standards-version 3.7.2
[10:15] <imbrandon> thats fine , as is the unknown distro "edgy"
[10:16] <[cro] smiley> ok then im uploading...
[10:16] <imbrandon> revu hasent been updated yet to reflect the new changes
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> does anyone could help me ?
[10:17] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: i honestly have no idea
[10:17] <imbrandon> me personaly
[10:18] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: eh, that's not as clean as simply building without rpath
[10:18] <Sp4rKy> imbrandon, :(
[10:19] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: you probably need to patch libtool to get rid of -Wl,--rpath
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, how can i do this ?
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, yes, it's what i thought do , but Toadstool talked me about chrpath
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> so i've tried with it
[10:20] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: http://pastebin.ca/122618
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> what's it ?
[10:21] <[cro] smiley> ok, you check agin now: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2862
[10:21] <crimsun> ?
[10:22] <[cro] smiley> *again
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, i don't understand what your script done
[10:22] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: yea give me a few to grab another mt dew etc then i will
[10:22] <[cro] smiley> imbrandon, ok no hurry
[10:22] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: it's not my script, but it prevents libtool from using rpath
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> and how can i use it ?
[10:22] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: that way you don't need chrpath at all
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> k
[10:23] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: I do hope you read the title of the page...
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> oups
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> sorry
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> i add it in configure ?
[10:26] <crimsun> in that target, yes
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> k
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> trying
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> pbuilding ....
[10:32] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: you are upstream on this correct ?
[10:32] <[cro] smiley> imbrandon, ?
[10:33] <imbrandon> IE you made the program
[10:33] <[cro] smiley> yep
[10:33] <imbrandon> ok just makein sure, becosue it said copyright you
[10:33] <[cro] smiley> ok
[10:33] <imbrandon> ok looks good to me , i'll add a comment in a sec
[10:33] <[cro] smiley> thanks
[10:34] <[cro] smiley> how do i get those two things i need to have? :)
[10:34] <[cro] smiley> i mean to get tu repos
[10:34] <[cro] smiley> *to
[10:34] <imbrandon> well i'm going to leave on ( advocate ) then you need a second ( on the same upload IE crimsun ) then the second will upload it
[10:34] <imbrandon> *being a MOTU
[10:36] <[cro] smiley> ok
[10:36] <imbrandon> gah actualy i cant atm , crimsun do i need to be added to the MOTU reviewers or somesuch
[10:37] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: give me a few, i havent got all the right access privs yet as i'm a new MOTU ( less than a week old heh ) but once i do i'll make sure i get it advocated
[10:38] <imbrandon> you have to poke for a second MOTU to revu now
[10:38] <imbrandon> once the second MOTU reviews it , it can be uploaded
[10:38] <[cro] smiley> ok
[10:38] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, are you here :)
[10:39] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, doesn't works
[10:41] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, can you pls check: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2862
[10:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ping , does the keyring need to be synced or something , i have the motureviewers emblem on LP
[10:41] <crimsun> very busy atm, please be patient.
[10:42] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: yea give it time, might be a while ;P
[10:42] <[cro] smiley> ok, no hurry
[10:42] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley:  crimsun good about reading back in IRC for his mentions
[10:43] <[cro] smiley> imbrandon, acctually i don't see no change at detail view upid=2862, do i have to wait or?
[10:44] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: i havent made a change yet as my keyright isnt updated
[10:44] <imbrandon> keyring*
[10:44] <imbrandon> [cro] smiley: i will once i get thta cleared up
[10:45] <[cro] smiley> ok
[10:59] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock
[10:59] <imbrandon> howd the upgrade do
[10:59] <LaserJock> ok, I think
[11:00] <LaserJock> it didn't like me not having grub :-)
[11:00] <LaserJock> I'm gonna reboot and see how it did, brb
[11:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:38] <Kr4t05> Has anyone else complained about bad sun-java5-bin and *-jre packages?
[11:41] <[cro] smiley> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2862 still needs motu reviesion
[11:41] <[cro] smiley> *revision
[11:42] <tseng> imbrandon: hello
[11:44] <crimsun> Kr4t05: "bad"? care to qualify?
[11:49] <LaserJock> bah, my edgy dist-upgrade went bad :/
[11:50] <crimsun> hah, you're known as "raging Ubuntu-aholic MOTU"
[11:50] <LaserJock> who?
[11:50] <LaserJock> you?
[11:50] <crimsun> no, you.
[11:51] <crimsun> UWN #9 prelim
[11:51] <mc44> the first step is admitting you have a problem.
[11:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe
[11:54] <LaserJock> ah stink, I did say Friday didn't I :/
[11:54] <LaserJock> I was thinking Thursday
[11:55] <LaserJock> oh wait, that is Thursday local time
[11:55] <LaserJock> I HATE time zones
[11:58] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nothing to do with the keyring
[11:58] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: don't hardcode the path to the icon in src/TimeSaver.desktop
[11:59] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: additionally, is there a particular technical gotcha that forces you to not want the menu entry displayed in KDE menus?
[12:00] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, no there isn't
[12:00] <[cro] smiley> what should i do then?
[12:00] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: ok, then I suggest removing NotShowIn and dropping the absolute path to the icon (all in src/TimeSaver.desktop )
[12:01] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, sorry but i don't get it :/
[12:02] <[cro] smiley> where do i drop absolute path, where is NotShowIn
[12:02] <crimsun> [cro] smiley: in src/TimeSaver.desktop , remove the NotShowIn line, and use only "Icon=tsaver.xpm"
[12:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what email do you use on revu?
[12:03] <[cro] smiley> ah, ok no problem
[12:05] <bmonty> hi MOTUs
[12:06] <[cro] smiley> crimsun, should i wait more suggestions or do i upload now?
[12:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch: imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[12:07] <imbrandon> heya bmonty