[12:30] <mhz> hi all
[12:32] <Burgwork> lucasvo, you should email shipit@ubuntu.com directly
[03:58] <bddebian> Hellp
[03:58] <bddebian> Err Hello
[04:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:57] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: scotty!
[04:58] <sbalneav> Hey there jsgotangco!!!
[04:58] <jsgotangco> how are you doing?
[04:59] <sbalneav> Not too bad.  Just fiddling with some edubuntu ltsp schtuff
[05:04] <jsgotangco> wohoo
[05:19] <Laser_away> hi sbalneav 
[05:20] <sbalneav> hey hey LaserJock !
[05:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: how's life in Winnepeg (sp?) ?
[05:21] <sbalneav> Not too bad.
[05:25] <LaserJock> sbalneav: are you going to the Ubucon conference?
[05:25] <sbalneav> Unfortunately not.  I can't make it to SF at that time.
[05:26] <LaserJock> too bad
[05:26] <LaserJock> I saw that the J Dog was going ;-)
[05:27] <LaserJock> and I'm up for a couple presentations
[05:48] <jsgotangco> youre going to present at ubucon?
[05:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:50] <LaserJock> one on "Getting Invovled with Ubuntu" and one perhaps one on Launchpad and Ubuntu tools
[05:50] <LaserJock> I kinda hope they find somebody for the Launchpad one because that's a pretty tough topic
[05:50] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: he's becoming another superstar
[05:50] <LaserJock> ajmitch: whatever
[05:50] <LaserJock> I hope not
[05:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:51] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: its time for us to pass the torch
[05:51] <LaserJock> ajmitch will be a superstar when his SoC project is done
[05:52] <ajmitch> nah
[05:52] <ajmitch> not enough bling
[05:53] <ajmitch> I'd have to build a compositing manager into it for it to be popular
[05:53] <LaserJock> lol
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, I think it's got plenty of usefullness, which really matters
[05:53] <ajmitch> not enough
[05:54] <ajmitch> it'll have more usefulness once I sort out the config backup stuff
[05:54] <ajmitch> so that I don't accidentally destroy everyone's configuration
[05:54] <LaserJock> all I do is hang out on IRC and write some. I don't do a whole lot on the really technical side
[05:55] <ajmitch> there's that, fixing some issues in the CLI tool, and the python policy to go before I upload
[05:55] <ajmitch> fixing the gtk ui will be later this week
[05:55] <LaserJock> cool
[05:56] <ajmitch> not as fast as I'd hoped
[05:56] <bddebian> *cough*loser*cough*
[05:56] <ajmitch> thanks bddebian 
[05:56] <bddebian> ;-P
[05:57] <bddebian> I'm just kidding you, you know I love you man..
[05:57] <ajmitch> whatever
[05:58] <bddebian> Bah
[06:03] <jsgotangco> man im getting good at slacking lately
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ive already passed 150 lines in tetris DS
[06:04] <LaserJock> tetris? what's that? ;-)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:16] <Amaranth> ajmitch is our bling-loving superhero
[06:20] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Sorry, afk for a bit.  Ogra said you were working on the gnome equivalent of Kalzium?  Where's that at?
[06:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav:  Amaranth's got it
[06:20] <Amaranth> ah
[06:21] <Amaranth> sbalneav: bzr branch http:/dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw
[06:21] <sbalneav> Cool
[06:21] <Amaranth> donations make it go faster ;)
[06:22] <Amaranth> just kidding, i just can't work on it right now
[06:22] <Amaranth> probably be able to get back to it next week
[06:26] <sbalneav> argh.  Still learning bzr.  what's the equivalent of a anonymous checkout.
[06:26] <jsgotangco> if you have paypal i could consider a small amout on payday :D
[06:26] <jsgotangco> bzr checkout
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i think
[06:27] <sbalneav> sbalneav@phobos:~/gallium$ bzr checkout http:/dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw
[06:27] <sbalneav> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/sbalneav/gallium/http:/dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw/
[06:30] <sbalneav> ah, got it now.
[06:31] <sbalneav> Awesome!!! It's in Python.
[06:33] <Amaranth> indeed
[06:33] <LaserJock> but of course ;-)
[06:34] <sbalneav> Well, then I might be able to contribute a bit.
[06:34] <LaserJock> that would be sweet
[06:35] <Amaranth> right now it's all in flux
[06:35] <Amaranth> i'm still doing tech demos, basically
[06:35] <Amaranth> but i'm pretty happy with the PeriodicTable widget
[06:35] <sbalneav> Looks schweet
[06:35] <Amaranth> i'm thinking of moving the data.xml to sqlite
[06:35] <Amaranth> since we're going to need to do a lot of random access
[06:36] <Amaranth> and i really don't want to load the entire thing into memory
[06:39] <LaserJock> Amaranth: is that what makes kalzium slow?
[06:40] <Amaranth> i haven't done any profiling but i would guess yes
[06:40] <Amaranth> that and just doing the drawing it does
[06:43] <Amaranth> sbalneav: it's very bling for such a young project :)
[06:44] <sbalneav> It's awesome.  I'm fairly new to Python, but I've already managed to pretty much write a FUSE filesystem to represent an LDAP directory.  So this looks like something I could help out with.
[06:44] <sbalneav> And I've used SqlLite before, but not the Python bindings, but that should be easy to pick up.
[06:47] <Amaranth> i think the main thing we need right now is someone to go through kalzium and pick out what the important features are and then right up a spec of somesort
[06:48] <Amaranth> brb
[06:49] <sbalneav> I could sit down for a bit tomorrow and do that.
[06:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I can give a little chemical insight on that as well
[06:51] <LaserJock> one thing that I'm keen on is making it more than just a periodic table
[06:51] <LaserJock> it really should be a chemistry tool
[06:51] <sbalneav> I'll fire up my edubuntu box tomorrow night and poke through kalzium.
[06:53] <sbalneav> I know kalzium was a big PITA for ogra, because it meant he had to include KDE libs, which meant that he didn't have enough room for lang packs.
[06:53] <sbalneav> And for the Brazillians, the lang packs are important, because a lot of places either don't have the internet connection at all, or don't have the bandwidth to download langpacks.
[06:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:55] <sbalneav> On the LTSP side of things, there's a LOT of thin client going on in schools in Brazil.  It'd be great to have Edubuntu there.  With langpacks.  So, as silly as it seems, this project's actually pretty important to getting Edubuntu going in Brazil. :)
[06:56] <sbalneav> Anywho.  Getting late here.  I'm off to bed.  Night LaserJock.
[07:02] <Amaranth> aww, he left
[07:08] <bddebian> Who left?
[07:13] <Amaranth> bddebian: sb<something>
[07:18] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[08:20] <Laser_away> Amaranth: sbalnev I think, he's an LTSP dev
[08:21] <Amaranth> ah, cool
[08:25] <bimberi> Amaranth: it's sbalneav
[08:25] <Laser_away> oh yeah
[08:27] <Amaranth> i just found my LTSP guinea pig :)
[08:41] <cafuego> uh-oh
[08:41] <cafuego> Speaking of, will there be a way of adding a powerpc chroot to an i386 ltsp server other than doing a powerpc install and copying /opt/ltsp/powerpc ?
[08:45] <Amaranth> Chipzz: Ah, this explains much. :)
[08:46] <Amaranth> cafuego: No idea, I just make things. :)
[08:46] <cafuego> Coz having to install it on the imMac is a pain, takes hours (which is why I want them to be clients ;-)
[08:46] <Chipzz> Amaranth: wrong chan? ;)
[08:46] <Amaranth> Chipzz: No. :)
[08:47] <Chipzz> or maybe not ;)
[10:23] <ogra> cafuego, we'll have tarballs of /opt/ltsp/ in edgy ... i'm working on it, if you like to live on the risky side you can try last nights edgy build ;)
[10:23] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/
[10:24] <ogra> but beware, its beta software :)
[10:24] <cafuego> ogra: The ltsp server runs in vmware, I'm not bothered :-)
[10:24] <Amaranth> So, I have to wake up in 4 1/2 hours but I'm too busy hitting refresh on the fedex tracking website...
[10:24] <cafuego> snapshot, try, fail|pass, revert 
[10:24] <ogra> cafuego, unpack it with sudo while being in /
[10:24] <cafuego> ogra: cool, thanks
[10:26] <ogra> that shouldnt matter (apart from the noisy boot)
[10:27] <cafuego> ogra: X fails unless I sync with ntpdate
[10:27] <ogra> ugh
[10:27] <ogra> thats in dapper ?
[10:27] <cafuego> So it gets into a start X; fail; start X loop
[10:27] <cafuego> yup
[10:27] <cafuego> dapper; ppc
[10:27] <Amaranth> i thought the sync with ntp.ubuntu.com happened early in the boot
[10:27] <ogra> we ad such probs (i have plenty of clients that have out of sync clocks here)
[10:27] <Amaranth> or was that just something i installed?
[10:28] <ogra> Amaranth, its disabled in ltsp clients, we dont want them to have a outbound net connection
[10:28] <Amaranth> ah
[10:28] <ogra> (by default at least)
[10:29] <cafuego> ogra: the ntp server can be the ltsp server (would be ideal anyway)
[10:29] <ogra> yes, i can :) but that would mean to install it everywhere ...
[10:30] <ogra> most people wont need it 
[10:30] <cafuego> Pull the IP out of /proc/cmdline; sync to that
[10:30] <ogra> well, the IP is set in the SERVER env variable already :)
[10:30] <cafuego> Aha!
[10:31] <ogra> rodarvus and i will take a deep look into zeroconf for edgy+1 
[10:32] <ogra> that could make it possible to autodetect an ntpserver and other network services ...
[10:32] <Amaranth> ok then, sleep time
[11:38] <cbx33> what's the best way to record a screen session as a video
[12:28] <bimberi> cbx33: there's istanbul.  best?  not sure
[12:33] <cafuego> ogra: Looks like the included kernel doesn't like nfsroot
[12:36] <ogra> did you run sudo ltsp-update-kernels afetr unpacking the chroot ?
[12:37] <ogra> might be that yaboot and its tools arent copied right to /var/lib/tftpboot
[12:38] <cafuego> booting i386...
[12:40] <cafuego> Does the update-kernels scrupt regenerate the initrd?
[12:41] <cafuego> Hmm, nope.
[12:43] <cafuego> No, the i386 initrd is missing from the tarball, is the problem.
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[01:40] <jsgotangco> RichEd: I got to speak with Gina this afternoon
[02:03] <irvin> no meeting today?
[02:37] <ogra> argh
[02:37] <ogra> i totally forgot about the meeting
[02:37] <ogra> indeed there should be one 
[02:37] <cbx33> heh
[02:37] <ogra> so 
[02:37] <ogra> ********* reminder, belated meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now ***********
[02:38] <Petaris> ogra: hehe, Once I set up a meeting and forgot about it and went home for the night
[02:39] <ogra> i was convinced we'd have the 18:00 UTC one today
[02:39] <Petaris> boy was I embarased when I realized it late that night
[02:39] <tomveens> hi
[02:39] <ogra> so do we want a meeting ? seems i'm alone there
[02:41] <tomveens> the name ogra seems familiar, any other channels you visit?
[02:41] <jsgotangco_> gahhh
[02:42] <cbx33> grrr
[02:42] <cbx33> am having troubles
[02:42] <cbx33> I can't install libgtk2.0-dev
[02:42] <ogra> tomveens, yes, a lot ... but currently #ubuntu-meeting :)
[02:42] <cbx33> it says it has broken dependencies
[02:42] <cbx33> but they are not goign to be installed?
[02:43] <cbx33> when I try to install them, i get to the last one in the chain and it says it's already installed
[02:43] <cbx33> :S:S:S
[02:43] <tomveens> I think I know you're name from the motu channel
[02:43] <tomveens> I've got a question, or are you busy in a meeting?
[02:46] <tomveens> is there some kind of children internet protection program for edubuntu?
[02:46] <Petaris> tomveens: How so?
[02:46] <Petaris> you mean content filtering?
[02:46] <cbx33> tomveens, I think that is what Amaranth is working on
[02:46] <tomveens> For at least warning my two little brothers when there of in the sex webstream of pages
[02:48] <tomveens> they like to play games on the internet. And are very jung. They play games with a lot of sex, without knowing that it is not meant for them. My parents can see the humor of that, but prefer a little protection when the surf over the internet
[02:49] <tomveens> is there something to for example to apt-get?
[02:50] <tomveens> how do you call such a thing?
[02:51] <cbx33> ogra, if I installed a differnt package for libcairo2
[02:51] <cbx33> now I want to revert back to the one in universe how do I do it
[02:51] <cbx33> without removing every package that depends on libcairo
[02:56] <tomveens> summer of code dude?
[02:56] <tomveens> Amaranth
[02:58] <tomveens> some one an idee?
[03:14] <rodarvus> sorry again for being late for the meeting
[03:14] <rodarvus> I'm having rather serious problems with my laptop
[03:14] <ogra> we all were late :)
[03:14] <rodarvus> Edgy is basically uninstallabe right now (both live and alternate installer)
[03:15] <ogra> well, my chroot builds last night worked :)
[03:15] <ogra> any probs with d-i or is it a packae thats broken ? 
[03:15] <rodarvus> Kamion was unable to do any edgy images in the last week, I think (due to dapper.0)
[03:15] <ogra> ah, yes
[03:16] <ogra> (.1 btw)
[03:16] <rodarvus> yes, thanks
[03:16] <ogra> why the haack does evo freak out now ...?
[03:24] <bimberi> tomveens: willowng isn't available to apt-get in the current version of Edubuntu.  At this point in time you could have a look at dansguardian
[03:25] <ogra> well, willowng is in edgy :)
[03:27] <bimberi> ogra: great :)  i wonder if a backport might happen?
[03:27] <tomveens> in #ubuntu channel, nexus6 was reffering to an firefox addon, and I found ProCon at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1803/ and this one works well
[03:34] <ogra> bimberi, depends on the dependencys
[03:35] <bimberi> ogra: k
[03:35] <bimberi> nicely put btw ;)
[03:42] <Petaris> ogra: Where is the edgy iso?
[03:44] <bimberi> Petaris: daily builds here - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[03:44] <Petaris> bimberi: thanks
[03:45] <bimberi> Petaris: yw :)
[03:47] <tomveens> where do you look when you want to know the current ideas and status of edgy?
[03:48] <bimberi> !schedule
[03:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:49] <bimberi> !edgy
[03:49] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:50] <bimberi> tomveens: that EdgyReleaseSchedule should provide some info
[03:51] <tomveens> I shall look, thank you bimberi and ofcource our lovely bot ubotu 
[03:52] <bimberi> !botsnack
[03:52] <ubotu> Yum!
[04:24] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:28] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev-scripts.tar.bz2 :)
[04:29] <ogra> in case anyone wants to play with WIP ;)
[04:29] <sbalneav> woot
[04:29] <ogra> its not done yet
[04:29] <sbalneav> looking now
[04:30] <ogra> the icon parts are missing and i dont mount the CDs with their label yet ...
[04:30] <ogra> but we're getting there :)
[04:31] <ogra> i'd also like to find a cleaner way to handle the fstab file from the udev scripts, but that would mean to make the whole of /etc writeable
[04:31] <ogra> (sicne sed needs to create a tempfile in the dir the file it works with is)
[04:33] <ogra> i'll also rewrite the ltspmounter script in python i think
[04:34] <sbalneav> Cool.  I'll set it up tonight.
[04:34] <ogra> the README should explain everything
[04:35] <ogra> there is one bug in our ltsp chroots i have to fix
[04:35] <sbalneav> Will it work on a dapper edubuntu install, or should I upgrade my edubuntu to edgy first?
[04:35] <ogra> /etc/mtab must be a link to /proc7mounts
[04:35] <ogra> */proc/mounts
[04:35] <ogra> somehow debian removed that ... 
[04:35] <ogra> i didnt test it on dapper
[04:36] <ogra> but since the ltspfs packages are the same, it should i guess ...
[04:36] <ogra> i'm not sure about udev
[04:38] <ogra> Chipzz, 
[04:38] <ogra> !usplash
[04:38] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[04:38] <ogra> ;)
[04:38] <jsgotangco> ciao
[04:39] <Chipzz> :P
[04:39] <ogra> sbalneav, the cdpinger script is a gnome-volume-manager reimplementation btw :)
[04:40] <sbalneav> Cool.  I'm reading through the scripts now.
[04:40] <ogra> dont look to close ... its still early beta stadium :)
[04:41] <sbalneav> heh, but if I'm to HELP you to improve it, then I'll need to look :)
[04:41] <ogra> one thing i noticed is that X gets horribly hungry for memory if i copy some thousand files
[04:42] <ogra> i.e. for my mp3 collection (~4Gig) the client just dies
[04:42] <ogra> intrestingly its X that eats up the mem not ltspfs ...
[04:43] <sbalneav> Wierd.  Wonder why X is consuming memory.  It shouldn't have anything to do with it.  All ltsp needs X for is the initial authentication, and I doubt you're even using that.
[04:44] <ogra> sbalneav, what do you do about the dmesg kernel ringbuffer ? the kernel adss ~10 lines for every device i plug in ... that grows immensey over time
[04:44] <ogra> *immensely
[04:45] <ogra> if i plugged/unplugged 1000 times i run out of mem at some point
[04:45] <ogra> (i have no NBD swap yet)
[04:45] <sbalneav> errrm.  I don't think we're doing anything.  If we syslog, does that clean the buffer out?  We usually set up logging.
[04:45] <ogra> hmm, then i might be forced to do that as well ...
[04:45] <ogra> we dont have any logging by default
[04:45] <ogra> so the buffer doesnt get flushed
[04:46] <sbalneav> You could syslog to /dev/null, if you don't actually want the messages to go to the server.
[04:46] <ogra> ah, right, tanks for the tip ! 
[04:47] <sbalneav> I can't see where ltspfsd actually gets started on the client/
[04:47] <sbalneav> ?
[04:47] <ogra> *thanks as well even we germans are known to sell tanks :)
[04:47] <ogra> look in the README file
[04:47] <ogra> it doesnt yet
[04:47] <sbalneav> ah, never mind.
[04:47] <sbalneav> in the readme
[04:47] <ogra> you need ot add the code snippet to ltsp-client-setup
[04:47] <ogra> and call it :)
[04:48] <tomveens> see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=232884 and if you want credit for this article also this channel gave me. Please post it!
[04:48] <sbalneav> Typical hacker: ignore the readme, and start looking at the code right away :)
[04:49] <ogra> hehe
[05:13] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[05:13] <sbalneav> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/54180
[05:14] <sbalneav> enabling cipher "none" might be the perfect way to maintain high usability levels for cash strapped schools with lower-end servers, but still maintain the "ltsp-over-ssh" model that Ubuntu's got.
[05:19] <ogra> it will send the passwords in plain text ... sniffable etc
[05:19] <ogra> i bet its worse than xdmcp
[05:19] <sbalneav> Nope :)
[05:19] <sbalneav> passwords are sniffable in xdmcp
[05:20] <sbalneav> so, for the places that DONT care about security, but just want to use the stuff, they use = none.
[05:20] <sbalneav> for places that DO care, then they have a choice.
[05:20] <ogra> well, you can document it anywhere ... and people can use it
[05:20] <sbalneav> Seems like a perfect solution.
[05:21] <ogra> but i doubt we'll use it as default anywhere
[05:21] <sbalneav> Sure, thats cool, but the issue is: ubuntu's sshd doesn't have = none as an option.  They have to recompile to get it.
[05:21] <ogra> ah
[05:22] <sbalneav> So, if it were included by default, then it's a simple case of documenting how to set it, or, alternatively, down the road, making it an UI settable thing. (i.e. "How secure do you want your LTSP clients low/med/high?) 
[05:23] <sbalneav> I'll do some playing tonight.  Ooooh, hacking is fun :)
[05:25] <ogra> well, i think Kamion will fight te idea to make it even possble to do it ... but we'll see
[05:26] <ogra> but we can try :)
[05:27] <sbalneav> Never hurts to ask :)
[05:27] <sbalneav> Hey, when you come to detroit...
[05:27] <sbalneav> come thirsty :)
[05:29] <ogra> i will :D
[05:30] <ogra> jammcq said something about the 14th
[05:30] <ogra> and about leaving at the 19th
[05:30] <sbalneav> yeah
[05:30] <ogra> i havent got my ok from mdz yet ...
[05:31] <ogra> so i havent contacted our travel agent yet 
[05:33] <sbalneav> Need jammcq or me to ping mdz?
[05:34] <sbalneav> I know he's a busy guy.  I saw his email he sent to sabdfl on planet.ubu.com.  Well thought out.
[05:35] <ogra> no, i'm fine talking to him myself ...
[05:36] <ogra> we just didnt have any opportunity yesterday
[05:36] <ogra> (would be nice if he could come ... at least for the concert ;) )
[05:43] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu10.mp3
[05:45] <mdz> sbalneav: I was CCed on a reply from Mark about it; the timing is not great but we'll see
[05:45] <mdz> sbalneav: oh, you're asking about ogra, not me
[05:45] <ogra> mdz, well, i'd bribe you with a free concert ticket if you want ;)
[05:46] <ogra> sbalneav is asking about me, *i'm* asking about you :)
[05:48] <sbalneav> mdz: we'd love to have YOU there as well, and if a free Roger Waters performs "Dark Side of the Moon" is what it'll take to get you to come as well, I'll pay for the ticket myself :)
[05:48] <mdz> sbalneav: would love to, but can't commit just yet
[05:49] <sbalneav> Let us know.  :)
[05:50] <ogra> *to happen
[05:51] <sbalneav> Yes, unfortunately.  However, Waters/Gilmour were talking about a one shot reunion concert to honour Syd.
[05:51] <ogra> cool
[05:55] <Petaris> hrm
[05:55] <Petaris> gksu and gksudo seem to be broken all of the sudden
[06:06] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people
[06:07] <Petaris> Morning LaserJock 
[06:09] <cbx33> mornin LaserJock 
[06:14] <rodarvus> morning LaserJock 
[06:25] <LaserJock> oh my goodness, Levi is now selling iPod enabled jeans
[06:28] <cbx33> link me?
[06:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: http://www.tuaw.com/2006/08/08/first-pictures-of-levi-ipod-enabled-jeans/
[06:34] <cbx33> heheheh
[06:43] <Petaris> ogra: edgy install doesn't ask for a proxy server
[06:44] <lucasvo> LaserJock: burton has snowboard jackets with included ipodremote since there was ipod g2
[06:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: does grasynco work?
[06:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, as the one in REVU yes it should
[06:54] <cbx33> but with a disclaimer to backup your isos
[06:54] <cbx33> it's still beta
[06:56] <LaserJock> ouch the .orig.tar.gz extracted in ./
[06:56] <cbx33> yikes did it>
[06:56] <cbx33> that's odd, I never tar things up that way
[06:57] <cbx33> sorry LaserJock 
[06:57] <cbx33> I'll fix and reupload later this evening
[07:07] <prentice> I have a working Edubuntu deployment at a private elementary school, but need help tweaking one thing...
[07:07] <prentice> The students all log in with one user, student.
[07:08] <prentice> This works fine for all applications except OpenOffice, which always launches new windows on the display of the first student to use OpenOffice
[07:08] <prentice> Anyone know how to force OpenOffice to open on the current display, like all other applications?
[08:00] <bddebian> Hello
[08:24] <darklord> i wanna contribute like hell
[08:24] <darklord> tell me how
[08:24] <darklord> :)
[08:28] <LaserJock> heh
[08:28] <sbalneav> Standard ways: file bugs, contribute to documentation, supply patches.
[08:30] <sbalneav> Have you had much experience with packaging and/or development?  What languages are you proficient in?
[08:30] <sbalneav> Translation teams always need love, do you speak any foreign toungues?
[08:30] <sbalneav> All of those ways are good and useful ways to get started.
[08:31] <darklord> sbalneav, am an indian
[08:31] <darklord> yeah made some packages earlier
[08:31] <bddebian> Cherokee, Souix, what? ;-)
[08:31] <sbalneav> North American or East?
[08:31] <darklord> India
[08:31] <darklord> :P
[08:32] <bddebian> :-)
[08:33] <sbalneav> I know that there's a ton of dialects that need translation support in India, that'd be an awesome way to help out right from the word go.  As well, one could always become a Master of the Universe (MOTU), which means being responsible for packaging software that lives in the Universe repository.
[08:35] <sbalneav> Go to System->Help->System Documentation, and read the section on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide.  That will get you started.
[08:35] <LaserJock> sbalneav: geeze, can I get you to join #ubuntu-motu ;-)
[08:35] <sbalneav> LaserJock: heh, I need to start motuing one of these days.  Problem is, I'm already upstream.
[08:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav: that's no excuse ;-)
[08:37] <sbalneav> Just popped in.  Actually, I've just written a piece of Python software for a fuse filesystem for ldap.  I should motu that.  Be a nice simple project to get my feet wet :)
[08:37] <LaserJock> excellent
[08:38] <sbalneav> brb, coffee
[08:41] <sbalneav> back
[08:44] <darklord> i cant decide
[08:44] <darklord> kde gnome or xfce
[08:44] <darklord> help me guys
[08:45] <bddebian> Try all three, figure out what you like :-)
[08:46] <sbalneav> I'm probably not the guy to ask.  I used twm for 10 years :)
[08:47] <bddebian> hehe
[08:47] <LaserJock> twm?
[08:48] <LaserJock> at least I started out with fvwm
[08:48] <bddebian> heh
[08:48] <LaserJock> but that was not 10 years ago
[08:48] <LaserJock> more like 5
[08:48] <sbalneav> Back in my day, that was "too big" :)
[08:48] <sbalneav> I've been running Linux since '93, and Unix since '85
[08:48] <sbalneav> I'm a methusela
[08:50] <LaserJock> well, I installed Minix when I was pretty young
[08:50] <LaserJock> but I didn't really start using linux until 2002
[08:50] <LaserJock> when I started grad school :/
[08:52] <sbalneav> Whoops, sorry, counted backwards.  '84  Got it in Grade 10 in High School.
[08:53] <LaserJock> geeze, I was 3 ;-)
[08:56] <LaserJock> age and maturity are a good thing, especially when found together ;-)
[08:57] <sbalneav> Age maybe.  Maturity, never.
[08:57] <LaserJock> yeah, you would say that
[08:58] <bddebian> sbalneav: Amen :-)
[08:58] <sbalneav> If I was mature, I'd get a "real" job supporting a "real" operating system.  'Course, then I wouldn't have been in Paris, met all my cool friends, had dinner with a rocket-faring billionaire, etc.  Mature's boring.  This is much more fun.
[08:58] <LaserJock> but somebody had the experience to *not* go to Subway when a nice cafe would do ;-)
[08:59] <sbalneav> LaserJock: And you won't MAKE that mistake again, WILL you? :)
[08:59] <LaserJock> nope
[08:59] <LaserJock> especially when Scotty and the J-Dog are around
[08:59] <sbalneav> Always a party.
[09:00] <LaserJock> "follow the LTSP guys, they know where the good food is"
[09:00] <sbalneav> "LTSP: where the only thing thin are the clients" :)
[09:00] <LaserJock> hahahaha
[09:00] <bddebian> lol
[09:03] <LaserJock> hmm, that made me hungy, time for lunch
[11:00] <sbalneav> Later all