[01:49] <Riddell> ktorrent 2.0 out http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26353
[01:50] <Riddell> who wants to package?
[01:53] <omeow> If I want to make a diff between two files, what are the common options for it, so that it can be used by the patch command?
[01:55] <freeflying> Riddell: I will do it today
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying: cool
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Well the peasants are revolting :)
[02:10] <DaSkreech> We should have a log of complaints raised in the IRC for monthly stats
[02:51] <Hobbsee> YES!
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Your request for the file "edgy-desktop-i386.iso" has been actioned. The file is available as per the information listed below.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> http://files.bigpond.com/library/?go=details&id=23828
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Summary: Kubuntu Edgy Eft Preview Knot 1 ISO
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Filesize: 673,398,784
[02:52] <Hobbsee> This file is scheduled to expire from the Files Library at 11:50am 01-11-2006. Please ensure you have downloaded it before this date!
[02:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:25] <freeflying> anyone would work on ktorrent, I can not work on it today
[03:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ?
[03:26] <freeflying> imbrandon: ?
[03:26] <freeflying> nixternal: ?
[03:26] <freeflying> :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what's wrong with tit?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> *it
[03:28] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I prepare packageing it, but now I found I;ve too much work on my TODO  :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ahhh... new upstream version?
[03:29] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ya
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> freeflying: you know that main freeze was almost a month ago?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> petrol time.
[03:30] <freeflying> [07:49]  <Riddell> ktorrent 2.0 out http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26353
[03:30] <freeflying> [07:50]  <Riddell> who wants to package?
[03:51] <imbrandon> freeflying: sure i'll get to it later tonight
[03:58] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ah okay.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i'll take a look at it
[04:05] <Hobbsee> probably when i come home again
[04:06] <Hobbsee> freeflying: if you want, i'll either do it, or poke someone else to
[04:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: up to you  :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> freeflying: okay, cool :)
[04:07] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:07] <Hobbsee> b68eac20cebe9aed2c19ddb9a95e4383
[04:08] <Hobbsee> b68eac20cebe9aed2c19ddb9a95e4383
[04:08] <Hobbsee> so far so good
[04:08] <Hobbsee> yep, that's right.  excelllent.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi ryanakca 
[04:10] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee 
[04:19] <Hobbsee> k3b only behaves when you run it as root.  interesting.
[04:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea k3b needs some love and FYI i have the ktorrent almost done ( building now to test )
[04:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh cool :)
[04:21] <imbrandon> heh i do all the time ;)
[04:22] <imbrandon> ohh i thought you ment ktorrent, yea i dont use k3b much but my little brother does , i had to coerse it on dapper
[04:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kdesu k3b and it stops complaining :P
[04:22] <imbrandon> yea 
[04:24] <ryanakca> can I reject: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdetoys/+bug/24831        nobody has commented since 2006-04-04...
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 24831 in kdetoys "Cannot configure KWeather for Sydney, Australia" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: does it still exist?  actually, i think i tried that, and made it work
[04:26] <ryanakca> don't know... I don't have the applet... so, reject, if it is fixed?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: looks fixed to me
[04:28] <ryanakca> kk
[04:28] <Hobbsee> temperature is about right, too...
[04:29] <ryanakca> Fix Released or Rejected?
[04:29] <ryanakca> Released?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> released
[04:29] <ryanakca> kk
[04:29] <imbrandon> reject and note that it dosent happen with the latest version
[04:29] <imbrandon> unlesss you know what version they were using
[04:29] <Hobbsee> well, i'd hit released. it really doesnt matter
[04:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: iirc, we dont really care - the bugfixes go into whatever release that is the newest.
[04:30] <ryanakca> done... and I'm off to bed... I'll look at some more of those packagebugs in the morning :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> night ryanakca 
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: cool :)
[05:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[05:31] <imbrandon> i have ktorrent 2.0 built/packaged and tested ( downloaded some dr who with it lol ) lemme know when your arround
[05:36] <nixternal> imbrandon: you busy right now?
[05:37] <imbrandon> not especialy , workin on a few things but not that big of a deal
[05:37] <imbrandon> wasup ?
[05:37] <nixternal> msg me
[07:31] <imbrandon> moins raphink
[07:31] <raphink> hi im
[07:31] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[07:32] <imbrandon> heh
[09:29] <nixternal> Lure: thanks for the edits on the edgy release page ;)
[09:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: are you arround yet this morning ?
[09:30] <Lure> nixternal: that was minor change - thank you for great release page!
[09:30] <nixternal> minor or not, it was a good one...for one you made it easier for someone to file a bug, and then you gave precise info on the laptop buttons, excellent ;)
[09:31] <nixternal> i appreciate the kind comments as well ;)
[09:46] <seaLne> the problem with k3b seems to be the permissions in /dev
[10:26] <seaLne> would anyone be willing to try building k3b 1.0pre1 in pbuilder for me?  i want to check after my problems building kopete yesterday whether its me or not: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/
[10:27] <Hobbsee> seaLne: sure
[10:27] <Hobbsee> seaLne: and why were you building kopete, out of curiousity?
[10:27] <seaLne> the freenode irc server listed is irc.debian.org :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ah yes.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: builds fine here.
[10:35] <seaLne> no complaints from configure about no qt?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> seaLne: nope, none
[10:35] <seaLne> yeah/boo
[10:35] <seaLne> i wonder what is wrong with my machine
[10:36] <Hobbsee> delete the base tarball, and build it again.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> s/build/create/
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hten try
[10:36] <seaLne> it wouldn't do anything in pbuilder for me
[10:36] <Hobbsee> explain?
[10:37] <seaLne> i've lost the output then me try again then i'll show you
[10:38] <Hobbsee> ok
[10:41] <seaLne> wow that was impressably bad grammer, i should think before i type or not read what i've typed :)
[10:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:46] <seaLne> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/123443
[10:48] <seaLne> i think you commented on the problem when i was having it yesterday
[10:49] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Rejected:
[10:51] <Hobbsee> magic-haskell_1.0.3-0.1ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 1.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 <= 1.0.3ubuntu1
[10:51] <Hobbsee> hah.  oops
[11:56] <seaLne> no daily live images?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i would think there are
[11:56] <seaLne> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ would sugest not
[11:56] <Hobbsee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[11:57] <seaLne> yeah alternate notlive
[11:57] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm..  seems that you're right
[11:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i got my isp to host the knot 1 kubuntu desktop cd on their unmetered site :)
[11:58] <Riddell> seaLne: not until dapper point release is out
[11:58] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[11:58] <seaLne> why don't you get them to do an ubuntu mirror?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i wish.
[11:58] <Riddell> an ubuntu mirror sounds more generally useful than knot 1
[11:59] <Hobbsee> seaLne: mainly because it wouldnt be that much of a help to me.  there's no point building against old sources, packages, etc
[11:59] <seaLne> when is 6.06.1 out?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true...
[11:59] <seaLne> Hobbsee: mirrors are normally updated...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> seaLne: true
[11:59] <Riddell> seaLne: hopefully very soon
[11:59] <Hobbsee> seaLne: there is a .au mirror
[11:59] <Hobbsee> a little slower, but from the UK, it makes no difference anyway
[12:00] <toma> moguh
[12:00] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[12:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: true.  not quick enough though :P
[12:44] <seaLne> can someone try using irc with kopete ubuntu4 as i get knocked back about ident
[12:54] <seaLne> weird the install wants my ISPs phone number and fails (wired network no modem)
[12:59] <Riddell> install of what?
[01:00] <seaLne> yesterdays alternate cd
[01:01] <seaLne> or was it the day befores, anyway the latest one
[01:01] <seaLne> where can i check for more detailed info than "instalation step failed"?
[01:04] <Riddell>  /var/log/installer
[01:04] <seaLne> i looked for that but it dosen't exist
[01:06] <Riddell> Sime: in DPMS monitor modes what's the difference between suspend, standby and off?
[01:11] <imbrandon_> moins Riddell , did you get my link ?
[01:11] <imbrandon_> i'm guessing it will need a uvf or something , i dident file one becouse i wasent sure what you had planed
[01:12] <toma> Riddell: pingo?
[01:13] <Riddell> toma: toot
[01:13] <Riddell> imbrandon_: yes thanks
[01:13] <Riddell> imbrandon_: have you tried it, any problems?
[01:14] <imbrandon_> yip me and nixternal both tried it, seemd solid, 
[01:14] <imbrandon_> faster than 1.2 for sure
[01:14] <imbrandon_> s/yip/yup
[01:15] <toma> Riddell: do you have any idea what Kevin Donnely means on kde-i18n-doc?
[01:15] <Riddell> hunger_work: never
[01:15] <hunger_work> The new zeroconf enable warning is way to technical IMHO...
[01:15] <Riddell> toma: layout?  he probably wants all the kde files listed together and all the gnome files together etc
[01:15] <hunger_work> Riddell: And when enableing avahi there is no print server that can get exploited if it has security problems:-)
[01:16] <toma> Riddell: "greater segmentation"
[01:16] <toma> Riddell: allright. no idea how that should happen
[01:17] <Riddell> hunger_work: it's margionally nicer than the gnome one, but suggestions for improvements welcome
[01:17] <Riddell> hunger_work: are you saying I've messed up the avahi warning to still have the printer warning?
[01:18] <hunger_work> Riddell: I just got that and I have just updated. I have not loged out, so I might still have seen the old one thoungh.
[01:19] <hunger_work> Riddell: Thinking about it: It probably is fixed and I am still seeing the old text.
[01:19] <Riddell> +         QString scaryMessage = i18n("Enabling local network browsing will open a network port (5353) on your computer.  If security problems
[01:19] <Riddell>  are discovered in the print server, remote attackers could access your computer as the \"avahi\" user.");
[01:19] <Riddell> hmm, yes, my fault
[01:20] <Riddell> I wonder what to replace that with
[01:20] <hunger_work> Does that easy-zeroconf thingy mean that services offered by my computer are announced automatically (if avahi is turned on)?
[01:20] <Riddell> it turns avahi on, thus announcing services offered by the computer
[01:21] <ajmitch> a default install probably has no services to offer 
[01:21] <hunger_work> Riddell: Yes, but does i.e. starting ssh announce fish, sftp, etc. connectability of this box?
[01:21] <ajmitch> hunger_work: no
[01:22] <ajmitch> unless the package has changed
[01:22] <Riddell> but you can start kbattleships and offer battleship connectivity
[01:22] <ajmitch> you can configure some services to be announced manually
[01:22] <ajmitch> but most are by avahi-using apps
[01:22] <hunger_work> ajmitch: Too bad... that would make things really easy!
[01:23] <Riddell> hunger_work: installing ssh isn't difficult, but it still doesn't get announced automatically
[01:24] <Riddell> ajmitch: are you an emacs user?
[01:24] <ajmitch> I am
[01:24] <seaLne> avahi could just portscan all machines it can find to look for services ;-)
[01:24] <hunger_work> Riddell: I know that installing ssh is easy:-) But having it announce itself requires some fiddling with the init scripts...
[01:24] <hunger_work> Riddell: Would be really cool if ubuntu did all that fiddling for me;-)
[01:24] <Riddell> hunger_work: agreesd
[01:24] <Riddell> ajmitch: how do you get emacs to let you edit .diff files?
[01:25] <ajmitch> Riddell: good question - it usually sets the readonly
[01:25] <Riddell> seaLne: that's the LISA way
[01:25] <Riddell> ajmitch: which is the most annoying thing in the world
[01:26] <ajmitch> I usually go to vim in that case
[01:26] <ajmitch> I've been too lazy to figure it out
[01:26] <Lathiat_> haha
[01:26] <Lathiat_> class
[01:37] <seaLne> how do you bot in expert mode on kubuntu d-i?
[01:37] <seaLne> ah f6?
[01:37] <Riddell> should be an option at the CD boot screen
[01:38] <seaLne> it isn't
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey cool, i own a team now.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:55] <Riddell> yay
[02:01] <toma> Hobbsee: but you are not the administrator
[02:01] <Hobbsee> toma: no, i'm the owner.
[02:05] <Riddell> sebas: did you have any ideas about measing system idle time in a power management applet?
[02:05] <sebas> Nope, actually I didn't get around to coding for four weeks.
[02:06] <sebas> Vacation and other business
[02:06] <Riddell> sebas: I'm busy coding stuff
[02:06] <sebas> Aye, what?
[02:06] <Riddell> sebas: a lot of your code doesn't use HAL
[02:06] <Riddell> a power management applet
[02:07] <Riddell> based on your work
[02:07] <sebas> Riddell: There's two parts, cpufreq (there is no HAL support yet) and brightness (need to port)
[02:08] <Riddell> cpufreq should take care of itself in ubuntu, although it would be nice to have it reported
[02:08] <sebas> cpufreq support is being worked on by the powersave guys
[02:08] <sebas> Hm, how so?
[02:08] <sebas> (take care of itself)
[02:08] <Riddell> there should be a daemon that just quietly does the right thing
[02:09] <sebas> Ok, that's cool.
[02:09] <Riddell> powernowd
[02:10] <sebas> Does the rest of the code work well on your machine?
[02:10] <sebas> Ah, that just scales down, and scales up when needed, it's not ideal though.
[02:10] <Riddell> yep
[02:10] <Riddell> but I have no idea how to measure idle time
[02:10] <Riddell> gnome-power-manager seems to look at the CPU usage level
[02:11] <Riddell> I'd have expected it to check for mouse and keyboard usage too
[02:11] <sebas> It sucks for workloads where you have short peaks, powernowd has too much latency too increase freq fast enough, so you have your peak (when you need processing power), then powernowd scales up (when the system is actually idle), and has already scaled down when the next peak comes.
[02:11] <sebas> There's an in-kernel cpufreq governor which does the same, but with less latency.
[02:12] <sebas> So it makes sense to not use powernowd when the user wants full speed (though it's really hard to get right).
[02:13] <Riddell> for the moment I'd rather just go with what ubuntu has, but if powersaved comes up with something better we can look at that
[02:13] <sebas> Yeah, I'd agree on that.
[02:14] <sebas> You aren't working in kde svn?
[02:16] <Riddell> sebas: not yet, I should have something by the end of today to show you though
[02:17] <sebas> Ah, cool :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hey, meeting's tomorrow, right?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> thurs night 2100UTC?
[02:22] <Riddell> yes
[02:24] <toma> Hobbsee: gonna fill the agenda now?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  i just had a sudden memory of it
[02:24] <Hobbsee> toma: errr...what if i dont have anything specific to go on the agenda?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, i should notify people of the new group in the meeting
[02:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are we Kubuntu Council or Kubuntu Community Council?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not sure.  probably the Kubuntu Council
[02:25] <Hobbsee> although we could take either name
[02:27] <Riddell> "Tamas Szerb (toma) was added as a member of Kubuntu Council." oops
[02:27] <Riddell> toma: what's your launchpad account?
[02:28] <toma> Riddell: tomalbers
[02:28] <Riddell> thanks
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you're now incharge of finding an emblem https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-council
[02:30] <Hobbsee> woo!  i'm the admin too!
[02:30] <Riddell> you can make everyone an admin
[02:30] <jjesse> its too bad the mtg can't be at 20:00 UTCF
[02:30] <Hobbsee> jjesse: how much better would it make it for you?
[02:31] <jjesse> 21:00 is when i'm on the road for home, so i can't make it 
[02:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ahhh...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> seeing as i know you're only changing the timezone so that i can be there...
[02:33] <hunger_work> Any chance of getting powersaved compatible with kubuntu-desktop (and ubuntu-desktop) again?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there we go :)
[02:38] <toma> when is the best time to catch tonio?
[02:42] <Riddell> hunger_work: I'm in dapper and installing powersaved removes powernowd which is needed by kubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <Riddell> toma: evenings
[02:43] <Riddell> we're a fish
[02:44] <hunger_work> Riddell: I had it installed in dapper...
[02:44] <seaLne> on dapper when i installed it it removed k-d
[02:46] <hunger_work> seaLne: I am pretty sure it did not here.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> i wonder how you do relationships between teams?
[02:47] <Riddell> I should make kubuntu-council a member of kubuntu-members
[02:47] <jjesse> that would make sense :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, and a member of kubuntu-team
[02:49] <Riddell> done
[02:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: only the spec creator can change the assignee
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gah.  and how do you actually *create* a spec?
[02:54] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ah, so you cant actually do it from specs from your /people/hobbsee/+specs which is what i tried...
[02:55] <Riddell> file a bug
[02:56] <Hobbsee> good point thouhg
[03:06] <Hobbsee> toma: hehe.  groups, groups, and more groups
[03:07] <toma> Hobbsee: ow, make me administrator pleassseee.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> toma: hah.  sure, as long as i can be the owner :P
[03:07] <toma> is there an alternative? ;-)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> toma: well...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i really should think of things to add to our agenda, shouldnt i...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> while it's still over 24 hours out, so i wont get in trouble again.
[03:08] <toma> yes, and that means i can at least read them before the meeting starts...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> toma: hehe.  sorry...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> toma: you can write a UVF exception for when amarok 1.4.2 comes out if you want
[03:09] <jjesse> so the meeting is still at 21:00?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: got stuff that you specifically want to say at it?
[03:10] <toma> Hobbsee: i'm not into the music, so i dont follow the amarok hype ;-)
[03:10] <jjesse> Hobbsee: not really but i hate missing them :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hmmm....
[03:11] <jjesse> but maybe we change it for next meeting?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no one else will have a problem with it, it'll only be me
[03:12] <jjesse> Hobbsee: its a little late to reschedule but how bout for next meeting? that way people who have already scheduled for it aren't messed up
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: right.  give me a few days before hand to think about it for next meeitng :P
[03:13] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i'll remind you for next meeting :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and then i'll groan and grumble at you again.
[03:13] <jjesse> usually, though i'm starting to travel for work so i'll probablly be in different timezones throughout the US :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ahhh...fun :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> that's one good thing about early morning meetings - i know i'm around for them, if i wake up.  work has me as NOT AVAILABLE during that time, and hasnt *dared* put me on that early before.
[03:24] <toma> oh, my english spelling sucks badly...
[03:28] <seaLne> Bug #54828 sounds suspiciously like the problem exibited trying to use cdrecord from within k3b on edgy
[03:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54828 in cdrtools "dapper: cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54828
[03:30] <toma> exchange->exchangeable but execute->executable, who cares about consistency....
[03:30] <seaLne> its to confuse you
[03:30] <toma> that works
[03:31] <seaLne> but having male and female objects is even worse
[03:51] <jjesse> Hobbsee: are you in charge of amarok bugs?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not really.  i'm subscribed to all of them, and im making a list of stuff to fix with these amarok 1.4.2 packages that i'm about to do.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what are you wondering about?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: apachelogger did a great job triaging, as he's one of the upstream guys.
[03:52] <jjesse> Hobbsee: bug 39022 i'm going to reject if that's ok, no update from the orignial requestor and i'm unable to replicate it in dapper
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39022 in amarok "ubuntu crashes after amarok exit and attempted reboot" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39022
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: can you reproduce https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/48724 ?
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48724 in amarok "alarm.py error on start" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: or just pastebin me the script or something?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: sure, go for it :)
[03:56] <jjesse> so i just enable that script in amarok correct?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah.  run it somehow, and see if it breaks
[03:57] <seaLne> /usr/share/doc/python2.4-egenix-mxdatetime/examples/alarm.py ?
[03:57] <jjesse> somehow i have that script and it runs fine
[03:58] <Hobbsee> jjesse: should be "/usr/share/apps/amarok/scripts/alarm/alarm.py"
[03:59] <Hobbsee> jjesse: seeing as that script is used for another program mabye?
[04:02] <jjesse> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/12367
[04:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: er?  whta's that for?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> i think you got me the wrong link
[04:02] <jjesse> doh you are right
[04:03] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ca/123671
[04:03] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.ca/123671?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[04:03] <Hobbsee> no idea what causes that
[04:03] <jjesse> me either, but that's what happens when i call it directly from the konsole, but it runs in amarok if I configure it from the script center
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ah, so it doesnt die.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what happens if you apt-get remove --purge python-qt3 and then run it?
[04:16] <jjesse> Hobbsee: "python-qt3 is not installed so not removed"
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jjesse: right...
[04:21] <jjesse> Hobbsee: have you looked at bug 21093 ? will your updates to amarok fix this ?
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21093 in amarok "Amarok Crashes on Close" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/21093
[04:24] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no idea, i cant read backtraces.  there are a lot of fixes, even with the beta 1 version.  so it might be fixed
[04:38] <Hobbsee> !usplash
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[04:39] <toma> jjesse: thats a crash in libarts
[04:40] <jjesse> so the bug should be flagged against libarts instead of amarok?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> why do we care?  amarok doesnt support arts anywya.
[04:40] <toma> the bt is useless, so as long as there is no ither one, i'ld close it
[04:40] <Hobbsee> that too :P
[04:41] <jjesse> so reject the bug as it  references libarts and amarok no longer uses libarts?
[04:41] <toma> yes
[04:41] <jjesse> ok i'll reject it
[04:41] <toma> and no valid bt
[04:42] <jjesse> toma: thanks for the help
[04:43] <toma> launchpad could catch "(no debugging symbols found)"
[04:46] <toma> Hobbsee: reading bt is not that hard, the top tells you where the crash is.
[04:46] <toma> see for example a faked crash:
[04:46] <toma> http://rafb.net/paste/results/U88Mca19.html
[04:46] <Hobbsee> toma: right, so it goes from bottom to top?
[04:46] <toma> yes
[04:46] <toma> depending how you look at it
[04:46] <toma> you should follow it from bottom to top
[04:47] <Hobbsee> #6  0x08054714 in QString::length (this=0x81b63c8)
[04:47] <Hobbsee>     at /usr/share/qt3/include/qstring.h:879
[04:47] <Hobbsee> so it crashed there, at line 879?
[04:47] <toma> yes, but that is outside the scope of ktu in this case
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ktu?
[04:48] <toma> that is the app which i used to create this crash
[04:48] <toma> line 10 is the first ktu related source
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh right, yep
[04:49] <toma> so, poFile is called from ~KTUWidget
[04:49] <toma> line 11
[04:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:51] <toma> line 187 & 188 from ktuwuidget: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y6WaO240.html
[04:51] <toma> you see that 187 deletes the pointer, and line 188 uses it again
[04:51] <toma> that causes a crash
[04:51] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[04:51] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:52] <Hobbsee> oh...right.
[04:52] <jjesse> so if amarok is not using arts anymore does that mean kubuntu doesn't support arts anymore?  just curious as there are 9 bugs open according to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jjesse: kubuntu still supports arts, but not amarok-arts or amarok-gstreamer
[04:52] <Hobbsee> we still use artsd for knotify :(
[05:31] <seaLne> Riddell: isn't ubuntu policy to not require suid programs?
[05:49] <Riddell> seaLne: any suid programmes in main should have a review and only be needed if essential
[05:54] <seaLne> thats what i thought, i'm not convinced gnomefreak should be telling people in the k3b bugs to make cdrecord suid
[05:55] <Riddell> it should work fine without suid, we just need to patch k3b to not complain
[05:55] <seaLne> Riddell: but currently cdrecord dosen't work
[05:55] <seaLne> so there are 2 issues
[05:56] <Riddell> it doesn't?
[05:56] <seaLne> well 3 if you count k3bsetup2 not working
[05:56] <seaLne> nope the problems of k3b not writing are the same with cdrecord
[05:57] <seaLne> Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?
[05:57] <seaLne> : Operation not permitted
[05:58] <seaLne> something changed in dapper latest kernel and some point in edgy kernel recently
[05:59] <seaLne> Bug #54828
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54828 in cdrtools "cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54828
[06:14] <nixternal> Riddell: if you get a chance today, no rush what so ever, since we still have a little time, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu and see how close it is to being ready to put up on kubuntu.org when the release occurs. we still need a link to the download, which i didn't add to stop the people who have already posted on "Digg" about it
[06:22] <seaLne> when is knot2 due out? it would be nice to fix k3b/cdrecord first
[06:24] <seaLne> nixternal: that looks good 
[06:25] <nixternal> thank you!  i have no idea when it is released, except for soon ;)
[06:25] <seaLne> how soon is soon?
[06:25] <seaLne> :)
[06:26] <Riddell> seaLne: do you know what's changed since Knot 1 for this cdrecord problem?
[06:27] <Riddell> nixternal: put a link to the kde 3.5.4 announcement/changelog
[06:27] <seaLne> Riddell: it behaves like this on knot1
[06:28] <nixternal> Riddell: on kde.org or kubuntu.org
[06:28] <nixternal> linkwise
[06:28] <Riddell> nixternal: kde.org
[06:28] <nixternal> roger that!
[06:28] <Riddell> nixternal: "System Settings Layout" should be more positive, start by saying it's got a new layout then say there's some bugs :)
[06:29] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe add an image for laptop button support.  otherwise it's all lovely
[06:30] <nixternal> hmmm..where to get a laptop button support image?  ideas...
[06:30] <nixternal> my lappy is old, i don't have those buttons ;(
[06:30] <seaLne> photo of laptop buttons?
[06:30] <Riddell> naw, the volume slider thing
[06:30] <nixternal> thats what i was thinking seaLne ;)
[06:31] <Riddell> I don't have it set up, I'm still on dapper
[06:31] <nixternal> oh, like the OSD volume slider
[06:31] <Riddell> yes
[06:31] <seaLne> Riddell: do you have any problems with -26 kernel and cdrecord?
[06:31] <Riddell> seaLne: never tried, but it was all working in Knot 1 I'm sure
[06:31] <nixternal> Riddell: done deal
[06:32] <seaLne> i just did a fresh install of knot1 and it is broken in it
[06:32] <Riddell> http://kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kmilo has an image, but it's somewhat out of date
[06:34] <nixternal> heh
[06:34] <Riddell> ask Lure when he's around
[06:34] <nixternal> i got a newer one ;)
[06:35] <nixternal> i just have to fix up the image and add it..i made the changes to system settings layout, linked kde.org
[06:35] <nixternal> it is getting close ;)
[06:54] <toma> nvidia-glx is not avilable in edgy?
[06:56] <seaLne> toma: the nvidia binary stuff dosen't work with new xorg
[06:56] <toma> seaLne: allright, another thing to scratch off my todo-list.
[06:57] <seaLne> honest propriatory binary stuff dosen't cause problems and is just as good as the source code :-/
[06:59] <toma> hmm, too difficult for me ;-)
[06:59] <DaSkreech> IS the kubuntu-desktop update the .oh release?
[07:01] <Riddell> DaSkreech: hmm?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> I just checked for updates and ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop are all being updated
[07:04] <Riddell> shouldn't be any change
[07:04] <Riddell> check the changelog
[07:04] <mornfall> what
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Just checking on that changelog for adept. I recall that you had gotten the changelog servers
[07:05] <mornfall> i did, i didn't implement it
[07:05] <mornfall> queued
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Ok cool :-)
[07:06] <mornfall> try asking again next year :\
[07:06] <DaSkreech> That's my most dreamed about feature for adept :)
[07:19] <Riddell> who has a laptop?
[07:23] <seaLne> for what purpose? there is one with dapper on it accross the room from me
[07:24] <Riddell> what does lshal give you for the lid button?
[07:25] <Riddell> what uid?
[07:25] <mornfall> udi? udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_LID'
[07:25] <mornfall> for me
[07:25] <mornfall> debian sid
[07:25] <mornfall> ii  hal                                          0.5.7-2                                      Hardware Abstraction Layer
[07:25] <mornfall> if that helps any
[07:26] <mornfall> (i'd sure hope it's same on all distributions, really :-)
[07:26] <seaLne> would kind of make sense
[07:26] <seaLne> ... laptop booting ...
[07:27] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks, same as me, which is good
[07:29] <seaLne> Riddell: i don't have that
[07:32] <seaLne> Riddell: geeksoc.org/~kd/tmp/hpnx6110-lshal.txt
[07:32] <Riddell> seaLne: does the laptop have a lid button that's pressed when you close the lid?
[07:32] <seaLne> yes
[07:32] <Riddell> yes, it's udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_C1E1'
[07:32] <Riddell> hmm, bummer
[07:33] <mornfall> hardware entanglement layer :p
[07:34] <Riddell> well, it would be nice if it was a bit better documented :)
[07:34] <mornfall> it would also be nice to have same id for same things on different machines (i sort of though it was the whole purpose of the thing, in fact)
[07:35] <mornfall> (well, same id, same way to use and such... abstract over details :)
[07:35] <toma> allee: thanks for the explanation, things are more clearer already
[07:38] <allee> toma: puh, I was afraid it contributes to confusion
[07:38] <toma> maybe, but not for me ;-)
[08:00] <bddebian> Hello
[08:20] <Sime> jono bacon??
[08:21] <Riddell> The
[08:22] <Sime> hey Riddell, what is that OEM CD thingy program?
[08:22] <Sime> is that for making custon CDs?
[08:23] <Riddell> no, it's for pre-installed machines
[08:24] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller
[08:25] <Riddell> but abattoir made a better page that I can't find just now
[08:25] <Sime> oh. I've found a tutorial on how to make a custom CD.
[08:25] <Riddell> are you making a custom CD?
[08:25] <Sime> UCK looks interesting
[08:25] <jjesse> Riddell: where is the knot1 cd?
[08:25] <Riddell> jjesse: releases.ubuntu.com I'd expect
[08:26] <Riddell> Sime: UCK?
[08:26] <Sime> Riddell: maybe, in the near future for KDE-NL
[08:26] <jjesse> ah found it: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-1/
[08:26] <Sime> http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[08:27] <mornfall> G.E.C.K. comes to mind :] 
[08:27] <mornfall> (everyone who played the game will know ;)
[08:27] <mornfall> umm
[08:27] <mornfall> i should get it again
[08:29] <Riddell> Sime: interesting.  http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm is the one I used once
[08:29] <Riddell> gnome's live-cd also has their own scripts
[08:29] <Sime> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[08:30] <mornfall> are there kubuntu dvds to be got somewhere?
[08:31] <Riddell> mornfall: yes kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:31] <mornfall> The requested URL /kubuntu/releases/dapper/release/dvd/ was not found on this server.
[08:31] <mornfall> although the few mirrors seem to work
[08:33] <mornfall> ahw, no blender on the dvd :(
[08:33] <Riddell> mornfall: oh, it's moved with the .1 release
[08:34] <mornfall> moved where?
[08:35] <mornfall> ah, release.1
[09:40] <nixternal> ok, Edgy users, I need a new update KMilo volume OSD screeny...i can't get it to work for me..works in dapper, however i think it is a vmware issue ;)
[09:44] <Riddell> Lure: ^^
[09:44] <Riddell> but needs the latest kubuntu-default-settings
[09:44] <Lure> nixternal: the only OSD I can give you is probably Volume up/down/mute
[09:45] <Lure> Riddell: or is there any other available?
[09:45] <Riddell> Lure: that's the one we want
[09:45] <Lure> will try to do some on my desktop (still no Edgy on laptop) and will send you
[09:52] <Lure> nixternal: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/Volume.png
[09:52] <Lure> nixternal: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/Mute.png
[09:53] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[09:54] <Lure> Riddell: there are two problems I see with laptop keys:
[09:54] <Lure> 1. Web browser key does not work (it seems that keysym does not get through - even though that xev reports it properly
[09:55] <Lure> 2. My computer key properly starts konqueror but also triggers Amarok's OSD for volume level - really strange
[09:56] <Lure> actually it always reports "Volume: 80%" with one sec after Konq is started
[09:56] <Lure> Riddell: and you are right, we should "borrow" OSD from Amarok (it is much nicer than kmilo's)
[10:02] <Riddell> Lure: maybe you have two keycodes assigned to the same keysym
[10:04] <Lure> Riddell: no, checked that first :-(
[10:04] <Lure> it has to be something else...
[10:05] <Riddell> Lure: I actually had trouble testing the XF86WWW key, something must be strange with that one
[10:15] <Lure> Riddell: is dapper point DVD already available?
[10:15] <Lure> (I have synced one, but not sure if this is final one)
[10:15] <Riddell> Lure: yes, it's currently being pushed out
[10:28] <nixternal> thank you Lure for those!!!
[10:29] <Lure> nixternal: no pb, hope we can make them nicer for next knot 2+ ;-)
[10:29] <nixternal> im sure they will be ;)
[10:35] <Riddell> Sime: fascinating blog
[10:35] <Riddell> wonder if we should use those patches in Edgy
[10:40] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[10:40] <nixternal> ^^ laptop button images done
[10:41] <nixternal> all it needs is some linkage for completion, and then moved over to a release page on kubuntu.org ;)
[10:41] <nixternal> of course when knot 2 gets released ;)
[10:42] <nixternal> gotta go get some work done, leave me a message if im needed, and i will get on it as soon as i get back ;)
[10:45] <Lure> Sime: really nice idea and work and I have to agree with Riddell that it would be nice to have in Edgy
[10:46] <Lure> (how much pain did this system:/ cause until now...)
[10:49] <OdyX> Lure: ask Tonio ...
[10:58] <Sime> Riddell: the patches need some more work and testing first.
[10:58] <Sime> Riddell: but it shouldn't be too much work.
[10:59] <Sime> Riddell: unless I'm missing some fundamental problem that will torpedo the whole idea.
[10:59] <Riddell> Sime: have you spoken to ervin about this?
[11:00] <Sime> Riddell: no, I just presented what I had done on the blog. I'm certainly interested in hearing what he has to say.
[11:00] <Riddell> Sime: your blog entry misses the <!--break--> at the end needed to get it all showing on planet
[11:00] <Sime> Riddell: I put the break around the start. :-)
[11:01] <Riddell> bah
[11:01] <Sime> I didn't want to spam planetkde with the whole thing...
[11:12] <toma> this is great Sime|Zzz!!!
[11:17] <toma> allee: read that blog, you will love it
[11:18] <imbrandon> whoa Sime|Zzz +100 , i ( along with many others have thought exactly the same thing ) its lookin great 
[11:19] <toma> you could argue something about /tmp but that is a detail
[11:19] <DaSkreech> What?
[11:19] <allee> toma: about media?
[11:19] <toma> yes
[11:19] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: simes blog ok kdedevelopers
[11:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: btw i ment to ask you last night , do i need to file a UVF for ktorrent or {are,did} you take care of all that ?
[11:26] <Riddell> imbrandon: someone needs to, if you want to do so and CC me so I can confirm that would be good
[11:27] <imbrandon> ok , cool, i'll do it here in a sec
[11:28] <toma> allee: can you verify somethign for me on edgy?
[11:29] <toma> o or someone else?
[11:29] <imbrandon> toma: i have my edgy all booted and can test as long as i dont have to reboot
[11:29] <allee> toma: booting ;)
[11:29] <toma> sudo apt-get install digikamimageplugins
[11:29] <toma> tell me what that does?
[11:29] <imbrandon> k one sec
[11:30] <imbrandon> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:30] <imbrandon>   digikamimageplugins: Depends: digikam (< 0.9) but 1:0.8.2-2 is to be installed
[11:30] <imbrandon> E: Broken packages
[11:30] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$                    
[11:30] <toma> eiks
[11:30] <toma> hoped it was just me
[11:30] <allee> toma: this happened in debian too.  Looks like we need to ask for a sync again
[11:31] <imbrandon> hrm while i'm writing this UVF are any of you all DD's ?
[11:31] <toma> allee: everything is synced afaik
[11:32] <Riddell> allee's half way there
[11:32] <imbrandon> heh darn, i need a sponsor 
[11:34] <Riddell> what for?
[11:34] <imbrandon> apt-mirror to unstable , i have it uploaded to mentors.debian.net
[11:36] <imbrandon> ugh Riddell should i diff the tarballs from 1.2 to 2.0 ? there is likely to be a TON of changes 
[11:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: no, find the changelog
[11:36] <toma> allee: ok, you are right; i'll write the sync request
[11:36] <imbrandon> ok just the changelog
[11:37] <imbrandon> Riddell: just wondering i was going by what the wiki said 
[11:39] <toma> Riddell: please ack: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikamimageplugins/+bug/55822
[11:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55822 in digikamimageplugins "Sync request, current version uninstallable." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[11:42] <allee> toma: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt search 'Unsafe:'  so afaiu it's thunderbirds fault
[11:43] <allee> toma: of course escaping addional chars is not against 1738 ;)
[11:44] <Lure> toma: afaik, you need to subscribe archive team to sync request bugs
[11:45] <toma> Lure: yes, i first let Riddell take a look, in case i'm wrong, they dont get spammed
[11:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/55824  , i dident assign anyone ( if there is anyone else to assign to it ) want to look it over?
[11:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55824 in ktorrent "UVF Exception for ktorrent 2.0" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[11:46] <allee> Riddell: no.  I never felt motivated enough to start nm process
[11:48] <toma> allee: here is the kurl version: encode_string = "/@<>#\"&%?={}|^~[] \'`\\:+";
[11:49] <allee> toma: one reason to drop thunderbird support :(
[11:49] <imbrandon> Riddell: do you ack it now then someone ( you ?, me ?) ask mdz if its ok to upload ? sorry i dident deal with uvf's directly last cycle
[11:49] <toma> allee: yes, for kde4, i only want to invoke the standard mailer according to kde's api and drop all support for all separate mailers.
[11:50] <toma> allee: it really does not belong on the application level.
[11:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: e-mail mdz and kamion, CC me, I'll ack it
[11:51] <allee> toma: agreed.
[11:51] <imbrandon> ok
[11:52] <allee> oh, (still) no digikam*-doc pkgs in edgy
[11:52] <imbrandon> jr@u.c ?
[11:53] <toma> nope, it's having fun in the NEW queue
[12:03] <allee> toma: ah
[12:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: mail sent