[12:08] <Blissex> june_: well, the paste says nothing is areally going on. A bit of heavy CPU towards the end.
[12:09] <Blissex> june_: this was while doing what?
[12:09] <june_> konqueror browsing to ign.com
[12:09] <Bbetto> kde like OSX where?
[12:09] <june_> one of the more image heavy interfaces i can think of
[12:09] <Bbetto> one link
[12:09] <june_> Bbetto: use Enlightenment if you wanna look like osx
[12:09] <Blissex> june_: uhm. I have a web site where I can see incoming connections. So when I tell you, try to open 'http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/
[12:10] <june_> roger
[12:11] <Bbetto> what is Enlightenment?
[12:11] <Blissex> june_: hit return now.
[12:11] <Blissex> Bbetto: don't ask, don't tell! :-)
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> !e17
[12:11] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[12:11] <june_> i did, hopefully its doing something
[12:11] <Bbetto> run in ppc?
[12:11] <june_> Bbetto: i don
[12:12] <Blissex> june_: How long ago did you hit? Or better, hit 'shift-reload' and tell me as soon as you have done so.
[12:12] <june_> t see why not, c can be recompiled
[12:12] <june_> now
[12:12] <hagus> maybe I should reboot
[12:12] <Blissex> june_: tell me also when it finishes displaying
[12:12] <korgans> !info xlibs
[12:12] <ubotu> Package xlibs does not exist in dapper
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Bbetto: google e17 kubuntu - one of the first links is a script which will do it for you (I think Hawkwind / Philip5 have made packages though)
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> !info xlibs breezy
[12:12] <ubotu> xlibs: X Window System client library transitional package. In repository main, is optional. Version 6.8.2-77.1 (breezy), package size 89 kB, installed size 284 kB
[12:13] <june_> its done
[12:13] <Hawkwind> http://SeerOfSouls.com/ for Ubuntu E17 packages :)
[12:13] <june_> if you want a precise count
[12:13] <june_> i'll do it again
[12:13] <june_> can i open a PM?
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Actually you don't have them for ppc - do you at the moment ?
[12:13] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: No, only for i386
[12:14] <june_> eh, apparently my PMs are blocked till i reg this username
[12:14] <Blissex> june_: yes, open PM. My trace shows it is remarkably slow. packets start arriving a few seconds after you start.
[12:14] <h3sp4wn> Hawkind: Bbetto wants it but is on ppc - is your repo setup so apt-get -b source works ?
[12:15] <Blissex> june: there is something pretty wrong because I get this:
[12:15] <Blissex> 67.101.146.58 - - [08/Aug/2006:23:13:53 +0100]  sabi.co.UK "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 6832 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5;
[12:15] <Blissex> 67.101.146.58 - - [08/Aug/2006:23:13:53 +0100]  sabi.co.UK "GET /sabiEmailWebadm.png HTTP/1.1" 200 1490 "http://www.sabi.co.uk/" "Mozilla/5
[12:15] <Blissex> 67.101.146.58 - - [08/Aug/2006:23:14:03 +0100]  sabi.co.UK "GET /icon/rss.png HTTP/1.1" 200 764 "http://www.sabi.co.uk/" "Mozilla/5.0 (comp
[12:15] <Blissex> 67.101.146.58 - - [08/Aug/2006:23:14:04 +0100]  sabi.co.UK "GET /style/clean.css HTTP/1.1" 200 3924 "http://www.sabi.co.uk/" "Mozilla/5.0 (
[12:16] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, pls use pastebin
[12:16] <|lostbyte|> !pastebin
[12:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:16] <Blissex> just four lines, even if a bit long... :-)
[12:16] <june> Blissex: now here, for the heck of it, this is with firefox
[12:16] <june> start
[12:17] <june> been done
[12:17] <june> well, would firefox and konqueror share a cache? (i wouldnt expect)
[12:17] <Blissex> june: the notable thing in those four lines is that there are 10 seconds between the first 2 and last 2 lines.
[12:17] <Blissex> june: but the Firefox lines are all together. And browsers don't share caches.
[12:18] <Blissex> june: try again with Firefox.
[12:18] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, they are simply calling files to be loaded.. into firefox.
[12:19] <june> start and finish
[12:19] <june> nearly instantanious (probably cached)
[12:19] <Blissex> june: 'shift-reload' (or 'ctrl-reload') to avoid the cache.
[12:20] <june> tried both
[12:20] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, also, ctrl + Shift + r .. works..
[12:21] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: ah depends a bit as to that...
[12:21] <Blissex> june: Is Firefox noticeably quicker than Konqueror? Because here there are 10 second of difference
[12:21] <ubuntu___> niyice ;] ] .. 6.06 lst livecd 1st eva boot on 'museum quality' toughbook pll 300/128ram and here w only 2 errors and 2 cd boots hehe.. slow but nice
[12:21] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, for me konqueror is faster.
[12:22] <Blissex> june: also, just to check the IPv6 story, try 'ping6 www.kame.org'
[12:22] <ubuntu___> weeeeeeeee say da t9'er
[12:22] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, there is a hack to speed up firefox.
[12:22] <Dasnipa`> Aug  8 16:57:48 localhost kernel: [4294748.039000]  hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } : anyone know what that might mean?
[12:22] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: there are many, but the problem here is a delay and <june> suspects DNS caused.
[12:22] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, Delay like in ? seconds ?
[12:23] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: I don't know, <june> is not very clear on that.
[12:23] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, Konqueror and Firefox use the same dns so, cant be it.
[12:23] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: from my server logs it is around 10-15 seconds. But not sure when it really starts.
[12:24] <ubuntu___> small world Blissex.. tech9iner from mutual fedora days mate ;] ] 
[12:24] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: they use the same DNS but in different ways, so the details are a bit different. The page <june> is testing has four objects on it.
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, IF you think its the dns, why not try calling the ip directly from your browser.
[12:24] <Blissex> ubuntu___: ohi there!
[12:24] <ubuntu___> ;] ] 
[12:24] <lovely> help help newbie in need of help
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> Humm . ok
[12:24] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: that's something I was going to suggest next...
[12:24] <ubuntu___> seems we chose the same park to play in same day eh Blissex hehe
[12:25] <Blissex> ubuntu___: it happens even to the best.
[12:25] <|lostbyte|> !ask
[12:25] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:25] <Blissex> june: now try the same as before with 'http://207.210.242.241/
[12:25] <|lostbyte|> lovely, ^^
[12:26] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, that took me 3 seconds.
[12:26] <Blissex> |lostbyte|: more or less reasonable...
[12:26] <|lostbyte|> 3 images and 10KB
[12:27] <lovely> right I am trying to load   the ivtv drivers and such to watch tv from th computer, I am following the site http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu but the first thing up there I cannot do.  here is what I gethttp://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[12:28] <lovely> commaND NOT FOUND FOR  SUDO GEDIT /ETC/APT/SOURCES.LIST
[12:28] <lovely> I hate caps
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> lovely: use kate instead of gedit.
[12:28] <|lostbyte|> lovely, try kate instead of gedit.
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> lovely: gedit is a gnome tool.
[12:29] <farous> lovely: LeeJunFan got it :)
[12:29] <lovely> ok so sudo kate...
[12:29] <ubuntu___> hmm.. well since im loyal to fc for 5 yrs now Blissex.. an chatted w u for much of same period ;] ] .. ill take that as valued testimony ;] ] ] 
[12:29] <|lostbyte|> lovely, yup
[12:29] <lovely> thanks
[12:29] <Blissex> ubuntu___: yes, that's find.
[12:30] <Blissex> ubuntu___: yes, that's fine. I still prefer a bit Fedora for my home use, but I am bit of an experimental guy :-)
[12:30] <|lostbyte|> Blissex, :)
[12:30] <june> Blissex: ready
[12:30] <Blissex> june:  go.
[12:31] <june> much much much much faster
[12:31] <june> so it is the name resolution
[12:31] <june> which IS ipv6's fault...isnt it?
[12:31] <Blissex> june: OK, so probably it is name resolution, not necessarily IPv6.
[12:31] <june> oh ok
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> Try with v6 disabled.
[12:31] <Blissex> june: what happens if you do 'ping6 www.kame.org'?
[12:31] <ubuntu___> hehe.. tx for ye input 4sure Blissex.. ciao4now.. nice crossn paths fcMate ;] ] ] ..
[12:31] <|lostbyte|> its a 50% chance.
[12:32] <Blissex> !ipv6
[12:32] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[12:33] <june> it takes a long tmie
[12:33] <june> time*
[12:33] <june> comes up with unknown host?
[12:33] <june> "ping6 http://www.kame.org"
[12:33] <lovely> so  I got a "failur to open" and kate opened. do I add the sources in the terminal or in kate?
[12:34] <Blissex> june: then look at the link above on disabling IPv6
[12:34] <june> yeah
[12:34] <june> how come there's no "universal GUI sudo" ?
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> lovely, in kate.
[12:34] <june> like
[12:34] <|lostbyte|> lovely, at the bottom and save.
[12:35] <lovely> bottom of the list, got it
[12:35] <|lostbyte|> june, there is kdesu.
[12:35] <june> i'm looking at that page, i know gksudo, used to be gnome-sudo   and apparently kde has kdesu, why can'nt there be a universal?
[12:35] <Blissex> june: that 'ping6' line would return a time if you had IPv6 working, and quickly if it was disabled. Slow and not found means IPv6 is there but not quite connected.
[12:35] <Blissex> june: 'kdesu'
[12:35] <june> Blissex: yeah but thats hardly universal
[12:35] <Blissex> june: command line of course :-)
[12:36] <june> can't use taht on my gnome box, cant use gksudo on this kde box
[12:36] <Blissex> june: only for the worshippers of the false desktop environment it is not universal :-)
[12:36] <QMario> How does Google possess so much space for GMail?
[12:36] <june> Blissex: i'm primarily a gnome user :-p
[12:36] <june> i'm giving kde a try (and even a place in my house on the kitchen computer)
[12:37] <june> :-)
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> QMario, MOeny Money Money..
[12:37] <sinppa_> wtf, kitchen computer?
[12:37] <lovely> am I to continue in kate or back into the terminal?
[12:37] <vandenoever> june: haha, kde for kooking
[12:37] <june> sinppa_: the computer in my home located in the kitchen...
[12:37] <sinppa_> june: ok :)
[12:37] <|lostbyte|> lovely, asfter saving, get back to the terminal.
[12:38] <lovely> ok
[12:38] <lovely> :q
[12:39] <|lostbyte|> june, why there..
[12:39] <june> yay, gillette sent me a 5 bladed razor and some shaving cream for my 18th birthday, which was 3 months ago...
[12:39] <Prinz> !br
[12:39] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:39] <soulrider> june, cool
[12:40] <soulrider> i use ane lectric shaver :P
[12:40] <june> |lostbyte|: my mother's chain doesnt allow her 10 feet past the stove
[12:40] <Dasnipa`> hmm OGL stopped loading on bootup here...
[12:40] <|lostbyte|> ok
[12:40] <june> lol
[12:40] <soulrider> lol
[12:40] <june> i dunno, she just wanted it there, so she got it, and then she virused it to hell and back, and now here i am with KDE and ubuntu
[12:40] <xelakebert> i've got the 6.06 cd - can anyone tell me how to boot into rescue mode? i need to reinstall grub int he boot loader (just installed windows)
[12:41] <Blissex> !grub
[12:41] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:41] <|lostbyte|> lol
[12:41] <june> xelakebert: just boot from the liveCD thats how i reinstalled grub
[12:41] <soulrider> xelakebert:  wait
[12:41] <soulrider> theres a guide in the wiki of how to do it
[12:41] <soulrider> you just need the lvie C
[12:41] <xelakebert> neat! thank you Blissex
[12:41] <Blissex> link above...
[12:41] <soulrider> yea
[12:42] <soulrider> does anyone know why kopete crashes as soonnas i open it? ive reinstalled it several times. It only doesnt crash the first time i run it after i install it
[12:42] <|lostbyte|> soulrider, in live cd, resuce does'nt work.
[12:42] <xelakebert> Blissex - should i have Boot Options <bunch of stuff> rescue ?
[12:42] <Blissex> xelakebert: can't remember offhand...
[12:42] <soulrider> no rescue needed, just use Live CD and load kubuntu from there
[12:43] <xelakebert> soulrider - i have kubuntu already install, all i need to do is grub
[12:43] <Blissex> xelakebert: anyhow the install CD also brings up a 'root' shell, just switch with C-A-F1/F2
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> soulrider: sounds like the config's got hosed somehow. I'd rm the kopete dirs and kopeterc files from ~/.kde/share/apps and ~/.kde/share/config and see if it starts up then.
[12:43] <june> wow apparently kde apps don't like being launched from sudo
[12:43] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, nope, you got to get to the terminal, mount the root, call the grub from the mounted root and do those commands from the wiki as per your partition.
[12:44] <|lostbyte|> june, i only do sudo on adept.
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> june: no, kdesu is better. doh, which reminds me. lovely ...
[12:44] <|lostbyte|> :)
[12:44] <soulrider> xelakebert: just open kubuntu witht he live CD
[12:44] <lovely> yes?
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> lovely: you should use kdesu kate instead of sudo kate.
[12:44] <soulrider> no recue option, just normal, as if you were gonna install it
[12:44] <nejode> load kubuntu fron live cd, open terminal>sudo grub-install (hda)
[12:44] <june> why don
[12:44] <lovely> oh
[12:44] <soulrider> and then follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> lovely: sudo with kde apps can screw up permissions in /var/tmp and /tmp for the kde dirs.
[12:45] <|lostbyte|> nejode, are you sure ?
[12:45] <june> 't they just have like xsudo or something, as a universal sudo, it could even be an alias for the appropriate sudo command (be it gksudo, kdesu, etc)
[12:45] <lovely> huh?
[12:45] <nejode> yes
[12:45] <|lostbyte|> ok
[12:45] <soulrider> follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-3a896b43d621c1410ab4281ba25857b2e6720b5c
[12:45] <soulrider> ive done it twice and works perfectly
[12:48] <lovely> LeeJunFan: does that mean that I should use kdesu instead of sudo all the time?
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> lovely, only for kde apps.
[12:48] <|lostbyte|> sudo for cli stuff.
[12:48] <LeeJunFan> lovely: only when launching kde or X applications, for command line stuff just use plain sudo
[12:48] <lovely> I am attempting to install ivtv
[12:49] <lovely> ok got it
[12:49] <Kr4t05> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036 <- Could someone explain this?
[12:49] <june> ivtv?
[12:50] <xelakebert> uhm...on the fourth step, for overwritting the bootloader w/grub - the example is this root (hd0,6)
[12:50] <xelakebert> can anyone tell me how to see which would be correct for my laptop?
[12:50] <soulrider> uhm
[12:50] <soulrider> follow the previous one
[12:50] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, huh ?
[12:50] <soulrider> thje one that sais resttore but not overwrite, tis better
[12:50] <soulrider> and
[12:50] <soulrider> you cans till voerwrite
[12:50] <june> xelakebert: use gparted: and figure out which partition your ubuntu is on
[12:50] <xelakebert> i know that /dev/hda2 is my linux partition
[12:50] <xelakebert> june - /dev/hda2
[12:50] <june> hd0,1
[12:51] <june> er
[12:51] <june> (hd0,1)
[12:51] <xelakebert> i do want to overwrite the windows bootloader, i have no use for it
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> excatly.
[12:51] <lovely> <sudo module-assistant prepare> gives me command not found
[12:51] <soulrider> no
[12:51] <soulrider> waut
[12:51] <soulrider> (hd0)
[12:51] <june> oh yeah
[12:51] <june> thats the mbr (master boot record)
[12:51] <soulrider> so ti overwrites hte dindoze one
[12:51] <xelakebert> so i type root (hd0,1) which means primary master and the second partitin (starting with 0 then)?
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> find /boot/grub/stage1 will tell you..
[12:51] <|lostbyte|> yup
[12:52] <xelakebert> |lostbyte| - that is a binary file, doesn't help
[12:52] <Kr4t05> Is anyone else having trouble installing the sun-java5-* packages from the repos?
[12:52] <june> Kr4t05: there's an eula as part of it, maybe adept can't do that? i have no idea, i use synaptic :-p
[12:53] <Kr4t05> june: I'm using apt-get
[12:53] <june> Kr4t05: oh... haha....
[12:53] <Kr4t05> And, yes, the EULA comes up.
[12:53] <june> uh, i never had any trouble with it. what happens? does it appear to hang?
[12:53] <xelakebert> i just got into grub and typed root (hd0,1) and it says the device doesn't exist...
[12:53] <xelakebert> is it because i mountd it?
[12:53] <TheHighChild> You have to select 'details' in adept to see the EULA
[12:53] <Kr4t05> june: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036
[12:54] <nejode> you have to agree with the licence
[12:54] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, thats why i said earlier it would be good to call the grub from the mounted root partion its self.
[12:54] <Kr4t05> nejode: I know.
[12:54] <Kr4t05> TheHighChild: I used apt-get
[12:54] <xelakebert> |lostbyte| - how do i do that..?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Nevermind...
[12:55] <Kr4t05> I'm a moron.
[12:55] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, mount your root partion..and get to the grub executable.
[12:55] <xelakebert> |lostbyte| - mounted, wheres the grub executable?
[12:55] <Kr4t05> I didn't know there was a little Check Box at the bottom of the EULA. My bad.
[12:55] <|lostbyte|> in /where/i/mounted/sbin/grub
[12:55] <xelakebert> ooh
[12:56] <xelakebert> grub, not grub-isntall correct?
[12:56] <june> how do you install themes in kde?
[12:56] <nejode> grub is for the grub shell
[12:57] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, yes grub..
[12:57] <xelakebert> ok, thanks
[12:57] <|lostbyte|> june, kcontrol
[12:57] <june> thanks |lostbyte|
[12:57] <|lostbyte|> ;)
[12:57] <june> hrm, i actually just clicked on the *.kth
[12:58] <june> by the way, is there a way to make things be double click rather than single?
[12:58] <lovely> LeeJunFan: I am supposed to have the module assistant get the dependancies but I get the "command not found" whats up
[12:58] <nejode> grub opens the shell, it's more difficult that way
[12:58] <xelakebert> |lostbyte| - thanks a bunch for the help - you too nejode!
[12:58] <|lostbyte|> june, kcontrol ( Mouse )
[12:59] <june> thanks
[12:59] <XVampireX> http://www.johnsadowski.com/big_spanish_castle.html
[12:59] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, np
[12:59] <xelakebert> NEAT!!! it didn't even overwrite my menu.lst!
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> XVampireX, nice one..
[01:00] <XVampireX> yeah
[01:01] <Dasnipa`> will someone help me fix my OGL?
[01:01] <|lostbyte|> whats wronge with it ?
[01:03] <Dasnipa`> |lostbyte|, its no longer loading...
[01:03] <Dasnipa`> no splash screen no gfx acceleration no nothing
[01:04] <soulrider> how do i install somehting i downlaoded in tar.gz format ?
[01:04] <Dasnipa`> soulrider, gunzip
[01:04] <Dasnipa`> or there is a flag in tar to handle it
[01:04] <xelakebert> soulrider - tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
[01:04] <soulrider> that will extract
[01:05] <TheHighChild> Is it possible to kill a window in Firefox without killing the whole session? I can't help but think Firefox sucks on Tux
[01:05] <soulrider> right ?
[01:05] <lovely> can I get some help with instaling ivtv drivers
[01:05] <xelakebert> and if you want to put it in a different folder, tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz -C /place/to/put
[01:05] <soulrider> because i downlaoded warsow adn tis tar.gz
[01:05] <soulrider> i extarcted it
[01:05] <soulrider> but i cant run it by typing warsow
[01:05] <xelakebert> soulrider - is it the souce?
[01:05] <xelakebert> source*
[01:05] <Dasnipa`> you probably have to compile
[01:05] <Hagus> I have resorted to reinstalling ;(
[01:05] <seef> I will do a new install because I did a lot in Hoary Hedgehog wrong (put unoffical  packet sources in etc.) now I will make a fresh install. I will delet the linux partion and let kubuntu install on the free space. Now my qestion does the installer gets confused when I have a old  grub config or will it just overwrite?
[01:06] <soulrider> its not source
[01:06] <soulrider> i clicked on warsow to open it
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> seef: it will overwrite.
[01:06] <soulrider> and it did
[01:06] <xelakebert> soulrider - it did what?
[01:06] <soulrider> but i wanna eb able to type warsow adn have it open, naywhere
[01:06] <soulrider> extarcted it
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> seef: at least it always has in the past for me.
[01:06] <soulrider> to a fodler in home
[01:06] <Dasnipa`> soulrider, ./warsaw would run it
[01:06] <seef> cool so no worries?
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> seef: shouldn't be any.
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> seef: although I have been wrong twice in the last 30 years. :p
[01:07] <seef> Thanks! And is the procedere right?
[01:07] <soulrider> ohh
[01:07] <soulrider> ok
[01:07] <soulrider> i did the same with eclipse
[01:07] <Dasnipa`> soulrider, if you want it to run with a simple 'warsaw' then you need to either add that dir to $PATH or symlink it to a dir that is in $PATH
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> seef: yeah. Just do it as though it was never there before.
[01:07] <soulrider> so ./eclipse shoudl rin it right ?
[01:07] <Dasnipa`> yes
[01:08] <seef> thanks again. gday bye
[01:08] <soulrider> wont run :/
[01:08] <soulrider> how do i add somehting to my path ?
[01:08] <Dasnipa`> you have to be in the dir soulrider
[01:08] <soulrider> ah
[01:08] <soulrider> but i wanna be ble to run it from anywhere
[01:09] <TheHighChild> then it needs to be in your PATH
[01:09] <soulrider> hey THC
[01:09] <|lostbyte|> soulrider, simple put a soft link in /bin/
[01:09] <soulrider> oh
[01:09] <Dasnipa`> yeah
[01:09] <soulrider> easy :)
[01:09] <lovely> Leejunfan: I connot seem to get  the module assistant to "perpare
[01:09] <TheHighChild> hey soulrider, good to see you in here
[01:10] <soulrider> how are you doing ?
[01:10] <Dasnipa`> so |lostbyte| any idea? can i just reconfigure the driver by some manner?
[01:10] <soulrider> im not on yahoo ebcause Kopete decides to crash as i open it :) and i dont like GAIM :P
[01:10] <TheHighChild> soulrider: When you type a command, it searches your $PATH you can type 'echo $PATH' and see what paths you have, when you type a command it searches that path for that,
[01:10] <soulrider> oh
[01:11] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, No Idea, Sorry.
[01:11] <TheHighChild> soulrider: here's some info on your $PATH http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm
[01:11] <|lostbyte|> !path
[01:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about path - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:11] <soulrider> thanks
[01:16] <lovely> is there anybody out there?
[01:16] <epyfro> yep
[01:17] <lovely> I am having trouble with getting the module assistant to do anything
[01:17] <xelakebert> is there a way to view hardware devices? like the kde equivilant of windows' device manager?
[01:20] <superfg> why dont speak spanish in the room
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> xelakebert: sudo lshw | less (give you most hardware information)
[01:21] <exmethix> hi @ all
[01:21] <Hawkwind> superfg: You can join #Kubuntu-ES or #Ubuntu-ES for spanish speaking people if you want
[01:21] <exmethix> could somebody tell me which python package is missing?:
[01:21] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Rfgo3S40.html
[01:21] <excitatory> xelakebert: yea, kinfocenter
[01:23] <thegioxxe> #ubuntu.it
[01:27] <BluesKaj> howdy agian
[01:27] <BluesKaj> err again
[01:28] <excitatory> i don't get it.. kde has been fscked up ever since i installed the new 3.5.4 packages
[01:28] <BluesKaj> like ?
[01:28] <xelakebert> with apt-get, how can i get a list of all the packages in the repo?
[01:29] <xelakebert> i'm trying to isntall libgtk, but i can't find the words it's looking for..
[01:29] <excitatory> it trashed half of my settings, and now alt-f2 will not bring up a run dialog box, and the printscreen doesn't load ksnapshot, even though it's configured to..
[01:29] <BluesKaj> install Konstructor
[01:29] <Dasnipa`> |lostbyte|, yay i fixed it on my own
[01:29] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, nice, what did you do ?
[01:29] <BluesKaj> weel Konstruct-stable
[01:30] <lovely> how do I format an external hard drive for linux?
[01:31] <BluesKaj> use GParted
[01:31] <june> hey, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4  this link shows 2 methods for disabling ipv6, one is just titled "disabling ipv6" and the other is "disabling in dapper"  do they need to both be done? just one? is one depreciated? what?
[01:31] <Dasnipa`> |lostbyte|, well i installed a new soundcard. in doing so i removed a PCI video card that i had never setup... but then for some reason it must have realized that the vid card was gone so it auto-reconfigured xserver-xorg. i realized this when i looked it /etc/X11 and saw a xorg.conf.<timestamp from today> so i just restored the old conf
[01:32] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, Good Thinking.
[01:32] <exmethix> could somebody tell me how to run a command when kde starts?
[01:33] <|lostbyte|> DarkKakashi7, Put it in .kde/Autostart/ Dir.
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> |lostbyte|, lol you need to work on your auto-nick completes
[01:34] <xelakebert> with apt-get, how can i get a list of all the packages in the repo?
[01:34] <|lostbyte|> Argh :)
[01:34] <BluesKaj> make sure you have the source in the sources list first
[01:34] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, dpkg -l
[01:35] <|lostbyte|> oppz, miss read.
[01:36] <Natham> hi, how can i set up my screen to 1280x800 (widescreen)?
[01:37] <|lostbyte|> xelakebert, Here you go..  apt-cache dump | grep Package:
[01:37] <Natham> hi, how can i set up my screen to 1280x800 (widescreen), im using a dell laptop with a intel 915 video card an 1 gig on ram
[01:38] <jluthman> d
[01:38] <|lostbyte|> Natham,DOes your Card support it ?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> |lostbyte|: Eh?
[01:39] <Iam8up|lpy> can anyone tell me how to install firefox on kubuntu? if i try to run firefox i get this...
[01:39] <Iam8up|lpy> root@stellar:/home/jluthman/firefox# ./firefox
[01:39] <Iam8up|lpy> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:39] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:39] <Iam8up|lpy> really?
[01:39] <crimsun> (or use Adept)
[01:39] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Did you download and install or did you download with apt-get?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> june: Good idea
[01:40] <lovely> can someone tell me how to format a hard drive in kubuntu?
[01:40] <Iam8up|lpy> not available, referred to by another package; may mean that it's missing/obsolete/or available from another source; the following packages replace it: libnss3; package firefox has no installation candidate
[01:40] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, Sorry, My BAD.
[01:40] <Natham> |lostbyte|: yes of course, i used ubuntu and windows with that resolution
[01:40] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i got it from getfirefox.com
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Argh now I have to go back to sleep
[01:41] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: do you care about anything else on the hard drive?
[01:41] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: I would suggest downloading as crimsun suggested 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[01:41] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, Opps, Sorry.. :) Goodnight.
[01:41] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i tried that, i pasted what error i got
[01:41] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: nope
[01:41] <DaSkreech> june: I think the issues behind the two Desktop environments would make a xsudo not viable right now
[01:41] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: just stick in the ubuntu/kubuntu cd and install it then - the installer will help you with formatting
[01:41] <DaSkreech> It'd have to detect which de you are running
[01:41] <|lostbyte|> Natham, alt + f2 > krandrtray , and change from panel. If Available already.
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Anyhoo I'm off
[01:42] <Iam8up|lpy> so any suggestions as far as installing firefox goes?
[01:42] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: I have kubuntu installed on the main drive, it is a secondary that has a windows format and has been cousing poroblems, I have moved all the files but wish to wipe it and move the files back
[01:43] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: you moved the files from windows to your linux hdd? and now you want to install windows and move them back?
[01:43] <Natham> |lostbyte|: i cant see my resolution
[01:44] <june> DaScreech: true, but it could be part of the script when your desktop environment started up, (for the session) it would bind xsudo to the appropriate command (that is, if when sessiosn begin they run a script, which i hope they do)
[01:45] <DaSkreech> june: That's actually pretty smart
[01:45] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: no I have an external drive. I put all files to keep on it, overwrote windows woth kubunto and now moved the files onto the kubunto drive. now I wish to wipe the external drive and make use of it.
[01:45] <DaSkreech> june: Submit it to #bash
[01:45] <|lostbyte|> Natham, kcmshell module displayconfig
[01:45] <june> haha ok
[01:45] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: when you do 'apt-cache search firefox' do you get the firefox package as a result?
[01:46] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: oh, i see, you want your second hdd to be a storage hdd?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> june: they can be callous just a warning
[01:46] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: yes
[01:47] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i see mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb there, OO, libnspr4, and libnss3
[01:47] <Natham> |lostbyte|: the resolution isnt there
[01:47] <Natham> i will google for a while, maybe i found the problem
[01:48] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: There is definetely something wrong with your repos then. That should be in the default list
[01:48] <shadeofgrey> okay guys and gals i need help
[01:48] <|lostbyte|> Natham, One way is to diretly add it to your xorg.cong, but i prefer not to mess with it. or maybe your not using the right graphic drivers.
[01:48] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: i don't see any KDE app..i don't know kde at all - i could do it through the prompts, though...
[01:48] <Iam8up|lpy> through bash i mean
[01:48] <|lostbyte|> shadeofgrey, Guys and gurls are ready to help you..
[01:48] <Natham> |lostbyte|:  im using the default intel driver
[01:48] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Would you mind pastebining your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:48] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: so how would i attempt to run it?
[01:48] <shadeofgrey> i just did a full reinstall of     kubuntu because i fubared some impportant directories trying to figure things out...  you know how it goes - the only way to learnm it is to break it
[01:49] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: sure, one minute
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> Natham, Are you sure ?
[01:49] <lovely> you mean thru a terminal???
[01:49] <mae> mwaha!
[01:49] <mae> xgl/compiz kicks ass
[01:49] <shadeofgrey> i need to know what additions i need to make to my adept repositories so that i can download the flash player for firefox
[01:49] <mae> but only if you have a fast card
[01:49] <shadeofgrey> whats xgl
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> Anyways, its bed time for me
[01:49] <|lostbyte|> Bye all.
[01:50] <TheHighChild> !xgl > shadeofgrey
[01:50] <june> xgl < AIGLX
[01:50] <june> :-p
[01:50] <jim__> does anyone know where i can get xboards, i just installed the chess game knights and it just opens with nothing on the screen
[01:50] <farous> jim__: there is xboard and eboard
[01:50] <DaSkreech> june: Why?
[01:50] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: do you mean thru a terminal?
[01:50] <farous> !info eboard
[01:50] <ubotu> eboard: A graphical chessboard program. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.9.5-6build1 (dapper), package size 471 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[01:50] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: exactly
[01:51] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: I happen to have one open...
[01:51] <june> DaScreech: well it started development behind closed doors, and had no community interaction, i think AIGLX's page lists the reasons why AIGLX was created (as an alternative to xgl)
[01:51] <MasterBrack> Hi all... i'm running compiz/xgl and my electricsheep screensaver doesn't come up properly... It works fine when i hit "test" but it doesn't work when it goes up naturally
[01:51] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: i couldn't help you from memory, i'd actually have to see it =.
[01:51] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: oh
[01:51] <Iam8up|lpy> i'm too visual, i'd need to read the screen to help you
[01:52] <Iam8up|lpy> and i'm confident you don't feel like giving root access to some strange
[01:52] <Iam8up|lpy> r
[01:52] <lovely> right you are
[01:52] <lovely> any one else out there following this?
[01:53] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: ask one simple quesiton: gui program for partitioning/format
[01:53] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely:  if you really want an easy way - dl the gparted live cd (it'll boot off of it and you can do it that way, with gparted)
[01:53] <Iam8up|lpy> it's very easy
[01:53] <DaSkreech> june: Yeah I understand having a grudge against XGl but now that both of them are open source what makes AIGLX better?
[01:53] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: http://pastebin.ca/122852
[01:53] <lovely> half of that was greek
[01:54] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: it works more relibly ;)
[01:54] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: google "gparted live cd" and download it, burn it, boot off of the cd, and the self is easy
[01:54] <Iam8up|lpy> and the rest is easy*
[01:54] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: I've never gotten it to work :-)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> what?
[01:54] <gnomefreak> aiglx?
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Yup
[01:54] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: I have been using this kubuntu for about 10 hours now
[01:55] <gnomefreak> and i hear it doesnt like nvidia
[01:55] <Iam8up|lpy> gnomefreak: xgl loves nvidia...
[01:55] <lovely> Iam8up|lpy: I am a bit new at this and starting to get frustrated
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Well XGL loves propietary drivers
[01:55] <Iam8up|lpy> yep
[01:55] <june> DaSkreech: i dunno, why trash the entire X server in favor of a new one?
[01:56] <DaSkreech> lovely: What's the problem?
[01:56] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: i know the feeling...
[01:56] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Ok, you had all of your repos commented out, I've fixed them. type 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak' then save this file as sources,list and move it to /etc/apt with sudo then 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox'
[01:56] <TheHighChild> http://pastebin.ca/122855
[01:56] <lovely> I need to format an external drive
[01:56] <Iam8up|lpy> DaSkreech: lovely wants to format his second hard drive
[01:56] <TheHighChild> that first command will backup your current list Iam8up|lpy
[01:56] <Iam8up|lpy> the way i understood was you wanted to format your second hard drive, move files from the external onto it, then format the external again to use elsewhere
[01:57] <june> gnomefreak: wtf are you doing in kubuntu? :-p
[01:57] <TheHighChild> lovely: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux.html
[01:57] <DaSkreech> lovely: Ok What are you using?
[01:57] <lovely> DaSkreech: I have moved everything I need off of it and now need to format it
[01:57] <lovely> kubuntu
[01:57] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i understood that much =)
[01:57] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: neither of the eyecandy things
[01:57] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: let me know if you have questions or problems
[01:57] <gnomefreak> june: because i use it
[01:58] <gnomefreak> june: what are you doing here?
[01:58] <june> i'm setting up my mother's computer with kubuntu
[01:59] <gnomefreak> that reminds me :( ok brb gonna try to fix something
[01:59] <june> because i walked in here one day and watched the pitiful computer struggle with the flying through space screensaver, (mind you its a 2ghz+ processor) it just had malware to heck and back
[01:59] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: ok, made a backup of sources.list; took that pastebin into my sources.list
[01:59] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: that all i need to do before sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox?
[01:59] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: yup
[01:59] <lovely> june: I like it so far, but I am having a spot of trouble getting ivtv loaded. I think I am running out of room hence the other harddrive
[01:59] <DaSkreech> lovely: Have you tried gparted?
[02:00] <Iam8up|lpy> i'm from the world of rhel...and so far i like rpms much more then debs..or this apt-get shit..or this fucking sudo thing!
[02:00] <Iam8up|lpy> but i do like the support here
[02:00] <lovely> DaSkreech: I dont know what gparted is
[02:00] <lovely> I am very new
[02:00] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: gparted is a gnome program that will partition and format for you
[02:00] <Iam8up|lpy> you're running kde, though, so i suggested you download the gparted live cd
[02:01] <Iam8up|lpy> let me find it for you
[02:01] <lovely> so I going addremove and add it?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Ahh THat would explain that :)
[02:01] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: apt-get pwns. Also, you may want to watch the language, mods like it PG here. Aside fromthat, you may want to comment out the 'security.ubuntu.com' repos, sorry, I should have. They're slow or down constantly
[02:01] <DaSkreech> lovely: yup
[02:01] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i'm actually finding that out right now
[02:01] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: no, you can't, you're running KDE - gparted is a gnome app
[02:01] <DaSkreech> june: I think that was silly but as i understand they wanted to roll the code back into X
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Iam8up|lpy: He can too
[02:02] <Riddell> lovely: yes
[02:02] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i can't get to google - it says unknown host - does this have anything to do with this apt-get thinger...
[02:02] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: ctrl + c to get out of that, here's the fixed one http://pastebin.ca/122866
[02:03] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: no, that wouldn't be apt-get. What trouble are you having? visiting google in a browser or pinging it?
[02:03] <Iam8up|lpy> browser, konsole
[02:03] <Iam8up|lpy> er..
[02:03] <Iam8up|lpy> konquerer
[02:04] <lovely> how do I find out how much room is left on the hard dick?
[02:04] <lovely> disk
[02:04] <QMario> Did any of you receive a file transfer from a person name Ciazy?
[02:04] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: can you ping google.com? does it resolve to an IP address? Try going to this address in your konqueror http://64.233.167.99
[02:04] <TheHighChild> lovely: LOL, try df or 'sudo fdisk -l'
[02:05] <excitatory> seriously.. wtf is wrong with the new 3.5.4 packages?  so far, here's the list of fsck-ups, kdm's resoultion is messed up, the kde personalizer runs EVERYTIME i start kde, reguardless of if i cancel or complete the wizard, about 50% of my kde settings were set to defaults, konq profiles refuse to work, window manager is all changed, gtk apps have funny fonts, amarok refuses to play most of my music, alt-space does not start katapault,
[02:05] <excitatory> settings were defaulted.. but on the bright side, its waaay snappier..  :S
[02:05] <lovely> thanx
[02:05] <Iam8up|lpy> something is really wrong with my kde right now, hold on TheHighChild
[02:06] <excitatory> like, i'm quite pissed on this one.. i don't even know how long i've spent customizing this machine, and now i'm looking at a re-install...
[02:07] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: I can try to help troubleshoot things a bit. i'm no pro however, let me know. I'm happy to help
[02:07] <excitatory> most of the visual UI things were fixable.. but stuff like alt-f2 not opening the run dialog???
[02:07] <TheHighChild> excitatory: Have you checked the system shortcuts?
[02:08] <excitatory> yes, they're all intact..
[02:08] <TheHighChild> excitatory: just as a future reference, you'll always want to backup your ~/.kde before upgrading, alwasy
[02:08] <Iam8up|lpy> ok...my kde was having a windows moment - nothing wanted to work for a bit
[02:08] <excitatory> either way, how am i going to address the kdm problem, or the amarok problem, or all the other crap?
[02:09] <excitatory> TheHighChild: good advice..  i wish it weren't necessary though..
[02:09] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: You get that new repo?
[02:09] <excitatory> never was in the past
[02:09] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: apt-get is having issues (dns problems here
[02:09] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Is it your system DNS?
[02:09] <excitatory> like, if this could happen to me, i would seriously take down the new repo, and the announcement on the site.
[02:09] <Iam8up|lpy> weird..my kde computer is using my linux router
[02:09] <excitatory> since it could happen to anything
[02:09] <Iam8up|lpy> my linux router has no problem resolving anything
[02:10] <damian_> my router is using kde
[02:10] <Iam8up|lpy> that's fascinating, yet so random
[02:10] <damian_> lol
[02:10] <Gun_Smoke> Anyone ever use a Linksys Cordless Internet Telephony Kit for Skype?
[02:10] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' and check the DNS servers in there, they could be wrong
[02:10] <Iam8up|lpy> uhm..the kde bar at the bottom (with all kinds of buttons like the K menu, clock, etc) just froze...
[02:11] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: it's 10.0.0.250, my router
[02:11] <Iam8up|lpy> and my router is it's own dns server
[02:11] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: ok, so you have '192.168.1.1' (or something similar) in your /etc/resolv.conf?
[02:11] <Iam8up|lpy> Yes.
[02:12] <lovely> alright, I have gparted, but how do I tell it to format?
[02:12] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Is that the first IP in that file?
[02:12] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: open it up...
[02:13] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: search local \n nameserver 10.0.0.250
[02:13] <lovely> it is and on the external ntfs drive
[02:14] <DaSkreech> lovely: It asked for the password?
[02:14] <lovely> yes, before it would open
[02:15] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: ok, it is most definetly a problem with my router - screwed on two machines besides this one
[02:15] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: So, is apt-get not resolving the domain names either? I mean all of them, not just the secutiry.ubuntu.com cause that one always blows
[02:15] <TheHighChild> ahh, who is your ISP?
[02:16] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: time warner cable
[02:16] <Iam8up|lpy> they reset all of their shit really early this morning - twice
[02:16] <Iam8up|lpy> apt-get has 15% of it's progress done
[02:16] <Iam8up|lpy> aparantly taking it's time resolving things over and over
[02:17] <lovely> I donot seem to have acces within gparted to the edit or partition functions
[02:17] <Iam8up|lpy> hahahaha
[02:17] <Iam8up|lpy> i knew what was causing the problem..
[02:18] <Iam8up|lpy> lovely: you don't have access?
[02:18] <lovely> aparently not. I will close and try again
[02:18] <DaSkreech> Gotta go
[02:18] <DaSkreech> night all
[02:19] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: I tried to tell you to ctrl + c to kill it, the security.ubuntu.com repos take forever or just don't work. I commented them out and repasted them into this repo http://pastebin.ca/122866
[02:19] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i did that...
[02:19] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i had something interrupting my dns requests, it's fixed
[02:19] <lovely> still I do not have access to do anything but look at the used space
[02:19] <Iam8up|lpy> ok so my apt-get install firefox just finished
[02:20] <Iam8up|lpy> (firefox-bin:6236): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:20] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: nice fire it up
[02:20] <Iam8up|lpy> my KDE is locked up, any ideas?
[02:20] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: It's a GTk app, it will throw that error in the browser upon startup. It should still start though
[02:21] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: if it's locked up, try restarting the session with ctrl + alt + backspace
[02:21] <Iam8up|lpy> TheHighChild: i'm going to restart kde - it's really messed up
[02:21] <Iam8up|lpy> right
[02:21] <damian_> what is tty?
[02:22] <exmethix> i have a question
[02:22] <damian_> exmethix: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:23] <exmethix> is it possible to start a programm without the dialogue "program is starting" in the taskbar?
[02:24] <exmethix> i have a little python script starting with kde
[02:24] <exmethix> and it is stupid because for 20 sek, it is displayed that ist starts in the taskbar
[02:24] <exmethix> sry for my bad english
[02:24] <exmethix> iam german ;)
[02:28] <lovely> help help, new problem, I have givin up on the formatting for now, back to my original issue I am trying to load ivtv in a terminal and have gotte thru to installing the moduale assistant, but then it askes me if it should prced and I say yes to no avail
[02:29] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: How are you doing?
[02:30] <lovely> anyone?
[02:33] <soulrider> er,, can someone help me compile kopete? :/
[02:34] <Natham> soulrider: why dont you install it from packages?
[02:34] <soulrider> i diont think the latest version is in a package
[02:34] <soulrider> besides, i need to learn how to compile when i need to
[02:34] <soulrider> i may not allways be able to come to IRC
[02:34] <TheHighChild> soulrider: Don't take this as certainty but I think 'sudo dpkg -b source kopete' would do that. You'll want to reference that though
[02:35] <soulrider> i downlaoded the source adn extracted it
[02:35] <soulrider> and i got a folder
[02:35] <soulrider> i did
[02:35] <soulrider> ./configure but i get some errors and i really dont know what to do after that anyways
[02:35] <soulrider> it throws: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:36] <TheHighChild> soulrider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23570
[02:41] <lovely> can someone please help me, I am installing ivtv0.4-source module-assistant gcc-3.4 dpkg-dev    this work up until 0 upgraded, 11 newly installed, o to remove and 34 not upgraded, then "need to get 5107kb of archives." "afterunpacking 20.1mb of additional disk space will be used." "do you want to continue Y/n"  I hit Y and nothing... what to do???
[02:41] <TheHighChild> lovely: What are you using to install packages?
[02:42] <lovely> Konsole
[02:42] <TheHighChild> lovely: With apt-get?
[02:42] <lovely> yes
[02:42] <TheHighChild> lovely: Is it hung or did it stop?
[02:42] <jon_> hey whats up
[02:42] <lovely> I am following the site http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[02:43] <jon_> how do i completely remove mldonkey?
[02:43] <lovely> I think it stoped it has been like that for 15 minutes
[02:43] <TheHighChild> lovely: ctrl + c and see if that will return you to a command prompt
[02:44] <lovely> yes it did, but did that stop it from doing what it needed to?
[02:45] <TheHighChild> lovely: yes, it killed it. type 'sudo apt-get update' and tell me if it throws errors
[02:45] <McScruff> !xgl
[02:45] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:45] <kaatil> hi
[02:46] <AtKaaZ> which package(name) has the X includes ?
[02:46] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: Things working out?
[02:47] <TheHighChild> AtKaaZ: xlibs-dev?
[02:48] <lovely> GPG error: http//hellion.org.uk sid release: the folowing signature could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO PUBKEY 334FB4A92F6BCD59   you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:48] <AtKaaZ> TheHighChild: I guess, it install alot others including x-dev , thanks ;)
[02:48] <TheHighChild> AtKaaZ: np
[02:48] <Parkotron> Odd problem here. I just upgraded from 5.10 to 6.06 bringing my home directory with me. I can no longer change my wallpaper. The dialog doesn't complain and the preview is updated but when I OK or Apply the desktop doesn't change. Anyone heard of anything like this?
[02:48] <jon_> how do i correct duplicate sources.list entries?
[02:49] <glick> scuse me, is it me or is kubuntu LTS really broken?
[02:49] <TheHighChild> lovely: Ok, that means that there isn't a security key for those repos. That shouldn't stop it from working though.
[02:49] <glick> looking through the bugs and "known problems" on the kubuntu site, i notice that some really important things are broken or not working right
[02:49] <TheHighChild> lovely: Try installing the packages again from that guide
[02:50] <lovely> reinstall them and see if it freezes again?
[02:50] <TheHighChild> lovely: yep
[02:50] <lovely> ok
[02:52] <jon_> how do i edit the sources.list?
[02:52] <lovely> that seemed to do it, thank you
[02:52] <jon_> where can i go to find a bunch of commands for the terminal?
[02:52] <Hawkwind> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:52] <ryanakca> joch: open up konsole and type:  sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:52] <jon_> damn its different than breezy
[02:52] <Hawkwind> jon_: Search google as there are many sites out there with linux commands
[02:53] <bur[n] er> jon_: no it's not :P
[02:53] <jon_> okay
[02:53] <TheHighChild> lovely: awesome, glad that came together. I am going for a smoke, if you have other problems to ask, just include my name in the post and I'll read it when i get back
[02:53] <TheHighChild> ryanakca: LOL at suggesting using vi
[02:53] <ryanakca> jon_: you might want to look athttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   we'll be having a class on basic command line soon
[02:53] <lovely> TheHighChild: thax
[02:54] <ryanakca> TheHighChild: it's better than suggesting emacs :)
[02:54] <kaatil> lovely
[02:54] <lovely> yes?
[02:54] <TheHighChild> ryanakca: Now you're trying to start something. I'll concede and suggest nano instead ;)
[02:54] <George> kubuntu appears to be taking a fuck of a long time to boot
[02:54] <ryanakca> TheHighChild: vi was my first editor... back on debian where I couldn't get X to run because of my crappy no-name video card
[02:54] <Natham> hi, i have problems with the repositories, i want to add teh universe to install libxine-extracodecs but after update i cant find the package
[02:55] <kaatil> it seem that i miss classroom session that was only yesterday lol
[02:55] <TheHighChild> ryanakca: vi was my first on a Solaris 7 system back in school. I just thought it was funny to suggest in the kubuntu IRC. I dunno if most k/ubuntu folks know of VI
[02:55] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Does anyone know how to change the desktop font color?
[02:55] <kaatil> ahha CLI class. hmm i am lookin forward to that
[02:55] <ryanakca> George: please watch your language... is it a fresh install or, do you have a bunch of server/processes installed or ???
[02:56] <TheHighChild> !repos > Natham
[02:56] <TheHighChild> !sources > Natham
[02:56] <ryanakca> TheHighChild: lol... most k/ubuntu and linux folks know about vi and/or emacs... well... the ones who have used linux for more than a couple of weeks
[02:57] <George> ryanakca: new install
[02:57] <ryanakca> George: and just how long does it take to boot up... do you have an old machine?
[02:57] <TheHighChild> ryanakca: They sure as heck don't lead on to it. lol. Every time I ask a question about the guts or something from the CLI. I always have someone telling me that I *should* be doing it through the GUI. All I know is that the Kubuntu GUI has broken just baout everything I've thrown at it. BRB
[02:58] <George> ryanakca: athlon64 4400+, takes about 5 minutes to boot
[02:58] <ryanakca> TheHighChild: yeah, kk... see you in #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:00] <ryanakca> George: hmmm.... dunno... did you install dapper or edgy or breezy or warty?
[03:00] <George> ryanakca: it appears to take a while trying to set various parameters on my hard disks
[03:00] <George> ryanakca: dapper
[03:00] <ryanakca> George: any errors?
[03:00] <George> ryanakca: I'm just about to install my own kernel as this machine is fairly weird
[03:00] <George> ryanakca: just that it couldn't set a parameter, hang on
[03:01] <George> ata13: failed to set xfermode, disabled
[03:01] <ryanakca> George: ok... so you aren't new to linux, makes my life easier :D ... shouldn't take that long
[03:01] <George> and so on
[03:01] <soulrider> TheHighChild: i installed everything thatw as needed to do ./configure but when i type make it sais command not found
[03:01] <soulrider> what can i do 
[03:01] <soulrider> ?
[03:01] <George> ryanakca: there are 12 disk drives in this machine, across three different controller cards
[03:01] <George> er ,make that four
[03:02] <ryanakca> George: ok... that sounds beyond me, but I'll try... hmmm
[03:02] <ryanakca> soulrider: are you in the source directory? and is there a file in that directory called "configure"?
[03:02] <glick> does kubuntu still have problems detecting and automounting some external harddrives?
[03:02] <George> ryanakca: it appears to be having trouble with my Marvell sata controller
[03:02] <Kr4t05> soulrider: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:02] <ryanakca> glick: I don't have any problems with it...
[03:03] <glick> ryanakca, is yours firewire?
[03:03] <George> ryanakca: the other thing is that my keyboard/mouse don't work in xorg straight out... they need a bit of nudge by disconnecting it and reocnnecting after xorg has started
[03:03] <ryanakca> Kr4t05: it sais command not found... so it's probably due to a missing sourcedir/configure file
[03:03] <ryanakca> glick: no... usb
[03:03] <George> ryanakca: it's a logitech bluetooth keyboard that works either as a standard keyboard or (if bluetooth drivers are loaded) it acts as a bluetooth keyboard/mouse to the OS
[03:03] <ryanakca> George: odd...server I presume?
[03:04] <George> ryanakca: no
[03:04] <George> ryanakca: workstation
[03:04] <George> ryanakca: (don't ask)
[03:04] <soulrider> the file "configure" isa  script right?
[03:04] <soulrider> kind of like a .bat file in win.... right ?
[03:04] <George> got to sort out xinerama too... meh.
[03:05] <ryanakca> George: ah... 12hd just made me think of that old compaq clunker we have at school that has 10 9.1gb hard-drives
[03:05] <George> ryanakca: heh
[03:05] <George> ryanakca: nah, I just have this thing about disk drives :D
[03:05] <ryanakca> soulrider: yes :)
[03:05] <soulrider> ahh :)
[03:05] <soulrider> and whhen is ./ used to run fileS?
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> soulrider: When they're in the same directory
[03:06] <soulrider> but ./ as in for what kinds of files
[03:06] <soulrider> like
[03:06] <soulrider> i think i used ./ to run a .run file
[03:06] <soulrider> or was it sh.... ?
[03:06] <ryanakca> soulrider:  the dot-slash (./) means the current directory, so, it runs the file called working-directory-filename... ./filename
[03:07] <soulrider> ahh
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> soulrider: If it's executable, you run it with ./ (assuming it's not it /bin, /usr/bin, or one of serveral other directories)
[03:07] <ryanakca> soulrider: is there a file called "configure" in the source directories?
[03:07] <ryanakca> George: lol... Into Terabytes? :P
[03:07] <soulrider> yes
[03:07] <soulrider> i wrote make after installing that
[03:07] <soulrider> and it worke
[03:07] <soulrider> but i got some errors
[03:07] <George> ryanakca: 2.82TB on this machine
[03:08] <soulrider> make[4] : *** [kopetewidgets.lo]  Error 1
[03:08] <soulrider> make[4] : Leaving directory `/home/mauro/Kopete/kopete-0.12.1/kopete/libkopete'
[03:08] <soulrider> make[3] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[03:08] <soulrider> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/mauro/Kopete/kopete-0.12.1/kopete/libkopete'
[03:08] <ryanakca> soulrider: go "chmod 755 configure" in the working directory
[03:08] <soulrider> make[2] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[03:08] <ryanakca> soulrider: use pastebin... stop
[03:08] <soulrider> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/mauro/Kopete/kopete-0.12.1/kopete'
[03:08] <soulrider> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[03:08] <soulrider> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/mauro/Kopete/kopete-0.12.1'
[03:08] <soulrider> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[03:08] <soulrider> thast a lot of bytes George :P
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> George: gimme some of that space. :P My 30GB partition is too small.
[03:08] <soulrider> sorry
[03:08] <lovely> TheHighChild: ok, got to the package install of ivtv0.4-utils_0.4.3-1_i386.deb      dpkg erroe, cannot access archive: no such file or directory
[03:08] <ryanakca> !pastebin > soulrider
[03:08] <damian_> !pastebin > ryanakca
[03:08] <soulrider> sorry, what was that chmod ?
[03:09] <MasterM> What is a troll?
[03:09] <ryanakca> damian_: ???
[03:09] <damian_> ryanakca: sry
[03:09] <Hobbsee> soulrider: why are you trying to compile kopete 0.12.1 anyway?
[03:09] <soulrider> well, i think the one in the repos is a bit older
[03:09] <soulrider> and
[03:09] <soulrider> every time i open it it crashes
[03:09] <ryanakca> damian_: np
[03:09] <soulrider> i uninstalled it adn deleted allt he config files manually
[03:09] <TheHighChild> Masterm a troll is someone that hangs out on forums, newsgroups and IRC chats that talks frequently but contributes little to none
[03:09] <TheHighChild> Masterm much like myself
[03:10] <Hobbsee> soulrider: you're using edgy?
[03:10] <ryanakca> soulrider: go "sudo apt-get install kopete"... I've got 0.12.1 running...
[03:10] <soulrider> no, dapper
[03:10] <George> ryanakca: hrmm, I really ought to have saved my kernel config from my old system.
[03:10] <ryanakca> George: wow... awesome... I want some... even though I'd never use it all
[03:10] <soulrider> i wanna learn how to compile somehting enyways
[03:11] <George> ryanakca: of course I have RAID-5 so I lose about 500GB of space
[03:11] <ryanakca> George: I think it's a missing driver thingy...
[03:11] <lovely> TheHighChild:cok, got to the package install of ivtv0.4-utils_0.4.3-1_i386.deb      dpkg erroe, cannot access archive: no such file or directory
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> ryanakca: You may need kdelibs-dev -- try installing it.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Errr, soulrider
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> sorry.
[03:11] <TheHighChild> lovely: Could be a differnet version type 'apt-cache search ivtv' and see if anything shows up
[03:12] <George> ryanakca: ?
[03:12] <glick> are those known issues with kubuntu on the kubuntu.org website current or are they dated
[03:12] <glick> ?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> glick: which ones?
[03:13] <ryanakca> soulrider: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware   is an in depth wiki/howto at compiling :)
[03:13] <lovely> TheHighChild:lots did
[03:13] <soulrider> thanks
[03:13] <MasterM> Windows XP is the shit.
[03:13] <soulrider> i dotn know why kopete worked just fine, and now it crashes everytime
[03:13] <glick> Hobbsee, these   https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[03:14] <ryanakca> George: I don't know... it's beyond me... I'm just guessing... (trial and error is usually my best friend)
[03:14] <MasterM> I've turned over a new leaf.
[03:14] <MasterM> I'll be quiet
[03:14] <George> ryanakca: heh
[03:14] <George> ryanakca: how does kubuntu deal with kernel modules?
[03:14] <George> ryanakca: will it get stressed if I start removing them all? :)
[03:14] <MasterM> My trolling days are over.
[03:14] <TheHighChild> lovely: try 'apt-cache search ivtv |grep utils'
[03:15] <ryanakca> TheHighChild: yeah.... better off knowing how it works, than allwais using GUI and not having a clue in the world of what's happening to your system
[03:16] <glick> is there a kde equivalent of gnucash?
[03:16] <ryanakca> George: I think you should be fine if you build one from source...
[03:16] <lovely> TheHighChild:ok 2 thru 6 sans 5 are there
[03:16] <ryanakca> George: you can get kernel modules threw apt-get...
[03:16] <drbreen> glick: just ignore the ugly interface ? ;)
[03:17] <George> ryanakca: right, well, let's hope this kernel compiles and boots :)
[03:17] <George> ryanakca: all the drivers I need should be in the kernel
[03:17] <ryanakca> George: yep... and I have no clue what I talking about... but yep
[03:18] <George> ryanakca: this machine is a complete arse to set up
[03:18] <ryanakca> George: for kernel stuff and the guts of the system... #ubuntu is probably where to ask
[03:18] <ryanakca> George: yeah... I'm used to asking questions from normal people with normal systems :D
[03:18] <George> oh bugger, I didn't back up the xorg.conf from my previous system
[03:19] <George> ryanakca: yeah, just got to sort out three RAID-5 arrays, KDE SVN and my dual head configuration :)
[03:19] <ryanakca> George: in english please? :)
[03:19] <George> I'm a bit new to Kubuntu
[03:19] <ryanakca> George: lol
[03:19] <George> and Ubuntu
[03:19] <George> I mean, I've set it up on sane systems
[03:19] <ryanakca> George: ever used Debian?
[03:19] <George> but when it gets to this level of complexity I have to start stripping stuff out
[03:20] <George> ryanakca: yes
[03:20] <George> ryanakca: but only on servers
[03:20] <ryanakca> George: that'll help you...
[03:20] <George> indeed
[03:20] <George> but I've never had to compile my own kernel on debian before :)
[03:20] <lovely> TheHighChild: so aparently i have created a package of utilities in the current directory , but it is named som,ething difent than the webpage states, how do I find out what the name is so that I may install it?
[03:20] <ryanakca> George: I did once... wacom support didn't come built in back then... don't know if it does now...
[03:20] <George> ryanakca: I've been putting off reinstalling on this machine for ages and ages and ages :)
[03:21] <George> ryanakca: anywhere, here's to hoping 2.6.17.8 boots
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> lovely: ls ????
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, held down the ? button too long. :\
[03:22] <George> ryanakca: oh yeah, know how to disable bootsplash?
[03:22] <ryanakca> George: just a sec, I'll get you the howto's I used...
[03:22] <lovely> a very newby, been using linux for 14 hoourse now. bigfoot is the name, male
[03:22] <ryanakca> George: I think it's a kernel option... I had seen something for that when running "make menuconfig"
[03:23] <George> ryanakca: oh of course
[03:23] <ryanakca> George: as well as a grub option... like the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst:      kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.15-25-386 root=UUID=bbce14d6-e347-4aa5-80e5-985ae2406a71 ro quiet splash
[03:23] <George> ryanakca: it won't matter now as I've ripped out and installed a vanilla kernel
[03:24] <George> ryanakca: how do I get boot information to spawn on tty 1 instead of tty 8?
[03:24] <ryanakca> George: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90    is what I used (resumed version),    http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html       (full, modern, updated version)
[03:24] <ryanakca> George: dunno... never bothered with that... hmmm
[03:25] <kaatil> it probably be 'typo' or 'bug it may be... when i installed Realplayer.. it end up in Graphic menu instead of multmedia menu.
[03:25] <ryanakca> George: my best guess is google... If I knew, I'd tell you...
[03:25] <George> ryanakca: heh
[03:25] <ryanakca> kaatil: was it apt-get installed?
[03:25] <ryanakca> kaatil: or from the RealPleayer website?
[03:25] <thompa> !kernel
[03:25] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:26] <kaatil> automatix. i think.. i will ask on automatix then. *shrug*
[03:26] <thompa> is there much advantage to doing a new kernel
[03:27] <George> ryanakca: why on earth does ubuntu have such serious issues with 20" lcds?
[03:27] <kaatil> i wonder
[03:27] <George> ryanakca: it's always autoconfigured it at 1280x1024 instead of 1600x1200
[03:27] <ryanakca> George: good luck, I've got to go take my shower... Tell me how it went in the morning :)
[03:27] <George> heh
[03:27] <Natham> hi, i want to set my USB sound card as my primary sound, but i cant. I have an integrates sigmatel audio and a sound blaster live 24bits USB, i have added to alsa-base options snd-usb-audio index=3 and =-2 but i the sigmatel still being selected, what can i do?
[03:27] <George> ok
[03:27] <ryanakca> George: no clue... hmmm...
[03:27] <George> it's 2:22 am here
[03:27] <ryanakca> George: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    should fix it...
[03:27] <George> ryanakca: never has done before
[03:28] <George> meh, I need to grab the nvidia drivers
[03:28] <kaatil> you can get off nvidia from *cough*automatixthing*cough*
[03:29] <George> kaatil: ?
[03:29] <kaatil> i have installed Nvidia driver from automatix.. have you tried automatix before?
[03:29] <George> kaatil: I'm going to need to compile it myself as I've got my own kernel
[03:30] <kaatil> ah
[03:30] <kaatil> compile it. ah allright
[03:30] <kaatil> nevermind me then :)
[03:31] <George> time to reboot and try out this kernel
[03:31] <rikioh> what kernel
[03:31] <George> 2.6.17.8
[03:32] <George> wo
[03:32] <rikioh> how do i figure out my version?
[03:32] <George> it recognised my hard disks
[03:32] <George> rikioh: uname -r
[03:33] <lovely> TheHighChild:are you still around?
[03:33] <George> it even automagically loaded the RAID arrays
[03:33] <George> nice
[03:33] <George> but it kernel panicked, not so nice :)
[03:33] <rikioh> 2.6.15-26-386
[03:33] <MasterM> who is Amaranth?
[03:34] <rikioh> should i upgrade or wait
[03:34] <soulrider> !pastebin
[03:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:34] <George> oh hurray, it's now taking FOREVER to boot again
[03:34] <George> grumble.
[03:35] <rikioh> i dont think im gonna upgrade again
[03:35] <rikioh> yet
[03:36] <excitatory> how much "cleaner" of an install is the server install?  like, is it a pain to get X up and running?  if you then install kde, does it then come as more of a default, or is it still kubuntuized?
[03:37] <George> hrmm
[03:37] <George> the kernel appears to splurt out logging with a timestamp in seconds since boot
[03:37] <TheHighChild> lovely sorry, going through a power outage on out network, I'll get back to you when I can, sorry
[03:38] <lovely> TheHighChild:ok
[03:39] <sergiusens> !kde
[03:39] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:40] <thompa> hello, when i switch to the k7 kernel i dont get a screen, reinstalling glx dont work
[03:41] <thompa> on the 686 kernel I can now see 2 cpus in system monitor after reboot
[03:42] <thompa> is anyone running k7 kernel with any trouble?
[03:42] <MasterM> Bye all have a nice life....=)
[03:43] <lovely> what would be the best hardrive file system for kubuntu?
[03:44] <thompa> reiser
[03:44] <lovely> I am formating an external drive
[03:44] <thompa> lovely: for storage
[03:44] <mmorris> what's up room?
[03:45] <lovely> yes, I will also be using it for ivtv functions
[03:45] <thompa> lovely: is there going to be an os on it?
[03:45] <lovely> no
[03:46] <mmorris> If y'all could recommend one thing for a new Kubuntu user, what would it be???
[03:46] <thompa> then dont use reiser
[03:46] <inc|freaky> mmorris: enjoy your new OS :D
[03:46] <mmorris> lol
[03:47] <mmorris> inc|freaky: maybe a program or something... which one would it be?
[03:47] <inc|freaky> yakuake
[03:47] <mmorris> what is that?
[03:47] <thompa> lovely: it does not matter really, but you want easiest access, i use fat32
[03:47] <inc|freaky> firefox
[03:47] <mmorris> inc|freaky: ?
[03:47] <mmorris> inc|freaky: I got firefox...
[03:47] <Jucato> mmorris: a combination of yakuakte + kompose + katapult + 3D Desktop
[03:48] <inc|freaky> yakuake is a program using konsole and display that on the top of the screen
[03:48] <mmorris> I mean beyond the basics inc|freaky
[03:48] <Jucato> s/yakuakte/yakuake
[03:48] <inc|freaky> if u press f12 it rolls down
[03:48] <thompa> also on the ipod i have a linux running the whole thing
[03:48] <mmorris> okay... so I need to get yakuakte?
[03:48] <Jucato> Yakuake: a Quake-like terminal emulator
[03:48] <inc|freaky> yakuake is cool: apt-get install yakuake
[03:48] <Jucato> Kompose: a clone of Mac OS X's Expose window switcher
[03:49] <Jucato> Katapult: a clone of Mac OS X's Quicksilver application launcher
[03:49] <lovely> fat 32 huh? i remember this morning as i was trying to get ivtv to start loading reading that I would want one that has the fastest deletion
[03:49] <Jucato> 3D Desktop: a cool 3D way (although older than XGL/Compiz) to switch virtual desktops
[03:49] <ironfroggy> where should i put bug reports of applications that crash after fresh installs? particularly, knights and boson both crash with errors about arts.
[03:49] <thompa> lovely: use ext3
[03:49] <thompa> thats what you have now i think
[03:50] <mmorris> Jucato: Can I work in XGL with the 3D block up???  3ddesktop only lets me switch and then goes back to normal
[03:50] <thompa> lovely: how does it plug in usb?
[03:50] <lovely> yes
[03:50] <Jucato> mmorris: not really sure. haven't tried it out myself
[03:51] <mmorris> I tried to install it, but don't think my video card is enough to run it
[03:51] <thompa> lovely: then its like my ipod
[03:51] <ryanakca> George: how did it go?
[03:51] <George> ryanakca: screwed up the IDE driver in my kernel, recompiling
[03:51] <thompa> lilo: format with ext3 or fat
[03:51] <lovely> 120 gig i pod with out the earphones
[03:51] <George> ryanakca: apart from that, it recognised the 9 SATA disks and formed the RAID arrays
[03:51] <ryanakca> George: good... still take 5 minutes?
[03:52] <George> ryanakca: the new kernel doesn't
[03:52] <George> ryanakca: but it panics :)
[03:52] <George> ryanakca: root fs is on an IDE disk, with no IDE drivers -> can't mount root fs :)
[03:52] <thompa> lovely: maybe you want an os on it later
[03:52] <ryanakca> George: good... probably doesn't take as long because your only loading what you need to... and not any other stuff you don't need
[03:52] <George> ryanakca: actually, the problem before was the driver for my SATA card
[03:52] <ryanakca> George: lol... fun... just select the old kernel from the old menu :)
[03:52] <George> ryanakca: it appears to be broken in 2.6.15.5
[03:53] <thompa> lovely: so i would partition 20G for Linux
[03:53] <thompa> or 5G even
[03:53] <George> ryanakca: iirc, I backported the one from 2.6.16-rcSomething when I was running Gentoo before
[03:53] <ryanakca> George: what kernel version you using?
[03:53] <lovely> thompa: no, it is going to be overflow with music and the ivtv record ops
[03:53] <George> ryanakca: now I'm on 2.6.17.8
[03:53] <ryanakca> George: 2.6.17-5-686 here...
[03:54] <ryanakca> (edgy)
[03:55] <George> hrmm
[03:55] <George> ryanakca: can you rip the kernel out of edgy and put it in dapper or is that a Very Bad Idea?
[03:55] <ryanakca> George: ???
[03:56] <h1222> Do any of you guys run anti-virus software on your workstations?
[03:56] <ryanakca> George: Ummm... I wouldn't... but then... I'm not exactly an expert...
[03:56] <George> h1222: don't be ridiculous
[03:56] <ryanakca> George: ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:56] <George> heh
[03:56] <h1222> :)
[03:57] <h1222> so you just hope the firewal does its job reliably then?
[03:57] <Stoney47> hi guys, any of you have any expierience with getting linksys pmcia cards working?
[03:58] <George> ryanakca: time to sort out my graphics driver
[03:58] <Jucato> h1222: Linux is built in such a way that it would be very hard to get infected by virus.
[03:58] <George> ryanakca: and the keyboard/moues :)
[03:58] <Jucato> h1222: besides, there are very few, if none at all, viruses for Linux out there
[03:58] <h1222> but not impossible though?
[03:59] <Jucato> h1222: it's possible. But AFAIK, there are currently no virus for Linux running in the wild currently
[03:59] <h1222> ok
[03:59] <OOD> no operating system that is connected to the internet is foolproof
[03:59] <OOD> but linux(or any other unix OS) is much more secure then windows
[03:59] <Jucato> OOD, of course, but viruses are one thing, malware/spyware, rootkits, etc. are another thing
[03:59] <h1222> i just thought I'd run Clam but wondered if there was anything else I should run
[04:00] <OOD> clam is useless for end users on linux
[04:00] <Jucato> h1222: if you are really security-minded, you could install a firewall software to add to your hardware firewall (if you have one)
[04:00] <OOD> it's only usefull for mail servers
[04:01] <Jucato> The only "real" use of anti-virus on Linux that I could see right now is scanning stuff that you downloaded for viruses, so that you don't pass them on to those poor unsuspecting Windows users
[04:01] <h1222> I thought Clam was a general AV protection product?
[04:01] <Jucato> ClamAV is an AV product. that's just it
[04:01] <OOD> it is, but why bother with antivirus on linux when there are none?
[04:01] <Jucato> nothing more, nothing else
[04:02] <RawSewage> No
[04:02] <Stoney47> h1222: i wouldnt worry about viruses, i do check for rootkits every now and then though
[04:02] <RawSewage> the anti virus companies are the ones that make the viruses
[04:02] <AZ_AS> hello
[04:02] <OOD> RawSewage: they dont have to
[04:02] <kaatil> raw... that what i thought... such conspiracy theory. :)
[04:02] <AZ_AS> there a way to find a listing of all the packages included in kubuntu?
[04:02] <George> how do you tell apt-get to install dependency packages for a package but not the package itself?
[04:02] <h1222> ok but if I had a windows box on the network then it would make sense possibly
[04:02] <OOD> there are people willing to do that job for them ;)
[04:02] <kaatil> i thought they were at fault. heh
[04:02] <drbreen> 00D: sometimes you do an smb server and want to protect the meek who dont know
[04:02] <kaatil> heh OOD
[04:03] <Jucato> lol
[04:03] <drbreen> AZ_AS: just check dependencies of kubuntu-desktop
[04:03] <AZ_AS> well, meant on the site since don't have the disc yet
[04:03] <OOD> and for free, doesnt get any better then that
[04:03] <AZ_AS> sorry, should've made that clearer
[04:04] <AZ_AS> heh, found it
[04:05] <OOD> does anyone have kde 3.5.4 here?
[04:06] <Hawkwind> I did, but reverted back to 3.5.3
[04:07] <OOD> there's been some good improvements in user friendlyness in it
[04:07] <Hawkwind> I don't use KDE personally.  I had issues with konqueror running outside of KDE which is why I reverted back to 3.5.3
[04:07] <ryanakca> George: good luck!
[04:08] <ryanakca> OOD: yes, I use 3.5.4... no real problems... (that I can notice)... other than a small artsd thing
[04:09] <OOD> kaffeine nicely informs the user about codecs and encrypyed dvds and how to get them working
[04:09] <Jucato> OOD: and Kaffeine has a new user interface
[04:09] <OOD> and kpersonalizer starts up when you log in to let you easily customice kde
[04:09] <OOD> yeah
[04:10] <Jucato> OOD: never had kpersonalizer startup...
[04:10] <Jucato> I think you need to have it installed
[04:10] <OOD> it starts up for me everytime i log on, it's getting annoying
[04:10] <OOD> it installs with 3.5.4
[04:10] <Jucato> err... I think that's a bug, not a feature, of KDE 3.5.4
[04:10] <Jucato> it didn't install with mine... O_O
[04:10] <OOD> yeah i know
[04:11] <George> yay
[04:11] <OOD> it didnt?
[04:11] <George> I have twinview working :D
[04:11] <Jucato> nope it didn't
[04:11] <OOD> and i cant get rid of it either
[04:11] <Jucato> I have a different problem with KDE 3.5.4, though
[04:11] <OOD> because it takes important parts of kde with it
[04:11] <Jucato> media:/ and HAL don't seem to be agreeing with each other
[04:11] <damian_> anyone get xgl to work?
[04:11] <OOD> yeah i have it working
[04:12] <damian_> OOD I might need help
[04:12] <Jucato> good for you... I'm having problems with it
[04:12] <damian_> OOD: I read this guide
[04:12] <damian_> OOD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingCompiz
[04:12] <damian_> OOD: but when I get to part B my windows decorations dissapeare
[04:12] <OOD> this is what i used to install it : http://www.compiz.net/topic-689-xgl-kubuntu-automatic-xgl-installation
[04:13] <Jucato> media:/ doesn't show partitions that are not mounted at startup. they don't even show even if I mount them... oh well, you win some, you lose some
[04:13] <OOD> give that package a try, just make sure you have quinns and reggaemanus repositories
[04:14] <MarcelDel> hello
[04:15] <OOD> hi
[04:15] <MarcelDel> How are we?
[04:15] <MarcelDel> sup OOD bro
[04:15] <OOD> not much ;)
[04:15] <MarcelDel> http://www.microsoft.com/
[04:15] <MarcelDel> Nice OS
[04:15] <MarcelDel> Windows XP. :)
[04:15] <OOD> definitely
[04:16] <Jucato> lol
[04:16] <Jucato> one of the best!
[04:16] <OOD> it's almost magical
[04:16] <MarcelDel> it's grand.
[04:16] <MarcelDel> Kubuntu is dumb.
[04:16] <Dasnipa`> ...
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I know how to crash any PC using windows.
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> very cool trick...
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> install it.
[04:17] <Dasnipa`> indeed
[04:17] <TheHighChild> ok lovely I am back, for how long, I don't know but I am here for this moment, are you still having trouble?
[04:17] <lovely> yes
[04:17] <TheHighChild> ok, what's up?
[04:17] <Dasnipa`> haha kline
[04:18] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:18] <lovely> still with the utils package stuff
[04:19] <korgans> hi
[04:19] <korgans> !info boot
[04:19] <ubotu> Package boot does not exist in dapper
[04:19] <korgans> !info boot manager
[04:19] <ubotu> Package boot does not exist in dapper
[04:19] <Jucato> !grub
[04:19] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:19] <Jucato> !grub > korgans
[04:20] <kaatil> how to install the .deb? when i click on the .deb file.. it just open the ark.
[04:20] <TheHighChild> lovely: Ok I don't recall exactly where you were at. If you want to refresh me, I'll see what, if anything that I can do
[04:20] <OOD> right click on it
[04:20] <Jucato> kaatil: right-click on it, then choose Kubuntu Package Menu
[04:20] <lovely> TheHighChild: so acording to the website http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu a package wass created called ivtv0.4utils etc "or something clos" so I figure that it is named something else but how do I fint it
[04:20] <kaatil> ok
[04:20] <Jucato> then install
[04:20] <kaatil> ok thanks everyone. :)
[04:21] <TheHighChild> lovely: In the konsole, type 'ls |grep util' and see what shows up
[04:21] <TheHighChild> lovely: It should have created that package in the directory where you were at. 'ls' will list the files in a directory
[04:22] <kaatil> do i sense danger when i going to type it? :)
[04:22] <lovely>  TheHighChild: ok
[04:23] <lovely> TheHighChild: is as in eye s or one s
[04:23] <TheHighChild> if that doesn't work, you can do a 'sudo updatedb' that will update the system slocate database (it tracks and notes files throughout the system). Once that finishes (will take a minute or two) then type 'locate ivtv |grep deb' and see what that turns out
[04:23] <TheHighChild> lovely: 'ls' like LS but lower case
[04:24] <lovely> ok so that is the name of it got it
[04:24] <TheHighChild> you find the package?
[04:26] <lovely> yup a 6 instead of a 3
[04:26] <Jucato> !info firestarter
[04:26] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.1ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 381 kB, installed size 1900 kB
[04:26] <lovely> errors  dependancy problems
[04:27] <TheHighChild> lovely: when you try to install the package with dpkg, what errors do you get? Please pastebin them
[04:28] <lovely> dependancy problems prevented configuration of ivtv0.4-utils:
[04:28] <lovely> Package libconfig-inifiles-perl is not installed.
[04:28] <lovely>  ivtv0.4-utils depends on libvideo-ivtv-perl; however:
[04:28] <lovely> Package libvideo-ivtv-perl is not installed.
[04:28] <lovely> dpkg: error processing ivtv0.4-utils (--install):
[04:28] <lovely>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:28] <OOD> use pastebin
[04:28] <OOD> !pastebin
[04:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:28] <lovely> thanks
[04:29] <mmorris> I like my icons a little smaller than normal. I used to raise the resolution in windows... is there a way I can do that in kubuntu?
[04:29] <Jucato> !repos
[04:29] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:29] <OOD> mmorris: yeah
[04:29] <OOD> you can shrink and enlarge them
[04:29] <mmorris> OOD: how?
[04:30] <OOD> go so system settings->Appearance->Icons->Advanced tab
[04:31] <kaatil> i like adept manager better than syn(from ubuntu that is...)
[04:31] <OOD> yeah i like it better too, but Adept is buggy (crashes too often)
[04:31] <kaatil> yeah i noticed too
[04:32] <kaatil> it crash suddenly heh
[04:32] <kaatil> sometime :)
[04:32] <Jucato> Adept has it's strengths... but too many weaknesses... I do hope it gets a lot better
[04:32] <kaatil> ah
[04:32] <OOD> i like the dynamic search in adept a lot
[04:33] <Jucato> yeah, that's my favorite. so many combinations of filters you can set to suit your needs
[04:33] <Jucato> I also like being able to configure the toolbar to suit my workflow
[04:34] <kaatil> is it possible to undo the mistake if apt-get did wrong thing that was not supposedly to do? ;p
[04:34] <Iam8up|lpy> what is kicker? why is it using 100% of my cpu
[04:34] <kaatil> there go apt-get undo? heh
[04:34] <TheHighChild> lovely: try 'sudo apt-get install libconfig-inifiles-perl libvideo-ivtv-perl' and tell me what happens
[04:34] <kaatil> go = no
[04:34] <OOD> the seach in synaptic is clunky and slow, that's what led me away from synaptic
[04:34] <OOD> Iam8up|lpy: kicker is the taskbar
[04:34] <Jucato> kaatil: nope. nothing like that I'm afraid
[04:34] <mmorris> OOD: is there a way I can control the icon spacing now?  They are small, but it didn't give me any more room on my desktop.
[04:35] <mmorris> In windows, the resolution did it all at one time.
[04:35] <Iam8up|lpy> OOD: any idea why it'd be using so much cpu time?
[04:35] <TheHighChild> lovely: In case you didn't know, you can copy with ctrl + c from an application and paste into the konsole with shift + insert
[04:35] <OOD> Iam8up|lpy: no, i suggest you kill it and restart it
[04:35] <RawSewage> I configured Konsole to paste and copy with Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v
[04:35] <Iam8up|lpy> i can just kill -9 4944, but how do i 'kick' it back into gear?
[04:35] <OOD> mmorris: oh yeah, that would be the fonts
[04:36] <Iam8up|lpy> RawSewage: no, it doesn't
[04:36] <Iam8up|lpy> RawSewage: not be default at least, you may be able to add those keyboard shortcuts
[04:36] <RawSewage> what
[04:36] <OOD> just select run command from the K menu and type in kicker
[04:36] <Jucato> RawSewage: if Ctrl+C is copy... what do you press to Stop the process
[04:36] <RawSewage> I configured Konsole to paste and copy with Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v
[04:36] <TheHighChild> Iam8up|lpy: kill -HUP process should restart it, i could be mistaken
[04:36] <mmorris> OOD: not the font size, but the spacing between the icons
[04:36] <Jucato> Iam8up|lpy: to restart kicker, just type in "kicker"
[04:36] <OOD> mmorris: it's the font that is taking up all that space
[04:36] <Iam8up|lpy> ok guys - i just did a kill -9 kicker and put kicker in the run bar to fix it
[04:37] <OOD> you'll have to shrink it if you want more space
[04:37] <Iam8up|lpy> would've tried your suggestsions..but i did it before you said anything =/
[04:37] <RawSewage> Jucato, I dont know.  just assign it something else
[04:37] <mmorris> but the fonts are extremely small under the icons..  there is plenty of room between the fonts and the next icon
[04:37] <lovely> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:37] <Jucato>  RawSewage: ehehe
[04:37] <TheHighChild> How are we doing lovely? Did that work?
[04:37] <mmorris> nevertheless, I will try it
[04:37] <RawSewage> lovely, the answer is
[04:37] <TheHighChild> lovely: Do you have adept or synaptic open?
[04:37] <Dasnipa`> lovely, you need to run it as root
[04:37] <Iam8up|lpy> another question - in the bottom left i have the computer browser konsole thing, the terminal, and a konsole button - how can i delete konsole and add the firefox icon?
[04:37] <lovely> adept
[04:37] <RawSewage> lovely,    sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:38] <TheHighChild> lovely: you cannot use adept and apt-get at the same time. Close adept and go back to the konsole and type that apt-get command in
[04:39] <OOD> mmorris: there isn't any other way as far as i know (besides raising resolution)
[04:39] <mmorris> OOD: I am sorry for doubting.... it worked.  Next time, I will stick with asking the questions, and letting you answer them
[04:39] <mmorris> How can you raise the resolution in kubuntu??? that was my original question
[04:39] <OOD> mmorris: ah it was? sorry :D
[04:39] <Iam8up|lpy> mmorris: system settings
[04:40] <OOD> system settings-> display
[04:42] <Iam8up|lpy> can anyone help me with adding/removing icons next to the K menu?
[04:42] <Iam8up|lpy> i guess it'd be adding a konsole button?
[04:42] <OOD> you can drag and drop them from the k menu'
[04:42] <mmorris> OOD: I was already as high as I could go...
[04:42] <Iam8up|lpy> oh...ok
[04:42] <Iam8up|lpy> i get it =)
[04:43] <mmorris> so, I guess shrinking the icons and the font was the only thing I could do
[04:43] <mmorris> Thanks
[04:43] <Iam8up|lpy> kinda aggravating for a two step process, but makes sense
[04:43] <Iam8up|lpy> tyvm OOD
[04:43] <OOD> make sure your taskbar is unlocked though :)
[04:43] <Iam8up|lpy> unlocked?
[04:43] <OOD> there are more ways
[04:43] <Jucato> Iam8up|lpy: you can also right-click on an item in K Menu and choose Add Item to Main Panel
[04:43] <Iam8up|lpy> i believe it is unlocked - i can add other stuff from th emenu you there
[04:43] <OOD> yes, you can lock the taskbar to avoid any changes to id
[04:43] <OOD> right click -> lock taskbar
[04:43] <Jucato> err.. wrong person...
[04:44] <OOD> then you won't be able to change it
[04:44] <mmorris> OOD: you seem to know what's going on in this kubuntu thing...a buddy of mine has a wide button for his K-menu and some other customizations with his kicker... can you lead me in the direction of how I would go about doing this?
[04:44] <Jucato> mmorris: your buddy might be using KBFX, a 3rd-party plugin for kicker
[04:44] <mmorris> He said something about making his own icon and resizing it to 109x109 and so on and so forth... would you have any idea of what he is talking about?
[04:44] <OOD> mmorris: the wide button is probaly kbfx, it's an extra applet you have to get
[04:45] <korgans> !info mesa
[04:45] <ubotu> Package mesa does not exist in dapper
[04:45] <mmorris> now that you mention it, I think he has mentioned that...  how could I go about getting that?
[04:45] <korgans> grrr
[04:45] <Iam8up|lpy> where is a good place to stick icons for applications? where are the default ones stored?
[04:45] <OOD> mmorris:   here:http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=141258&package_id=188184
[04:45] <Jucato> !info kbfx
[04:45] <ubotu> kbfx: a new K-Menu for KDE. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.4.8+cvs20060413-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 193 kB, installed size 804 kB
[04:46] <OOD> kbfx in the repository is outta date ;)
[04:46] <Jucato> ooh....
[04:46] <Jucato> so is deKorator... :-(
[04:47] <OOD> yeah, i compile some of my stuff though :)
[04:47] <foot> TheHighChild: I am back
[04:47] <mmorris> OOD: which one do I get... the ubuntu or the dapper???  I am using kubuntu, that is all I know
[04:47] <foot> foot is or was lovely
[04:47] <OOD> mmorris: you're probably running dapper, that's the newest version of kubuntu
[04:47] <mmorris> okay...thanks
[04:47] <Gun_Smoke> Anyone have the time to walk me through a Theme install?
[04:48] <foot> TheHighChild: I closed adept and lost my work tab. the thing with my desktops
[04:48] <foot> rebooted and I still dont have them
[04:48] <OOD> mmorris: there's a way to check, but i dont remember the command
[04:48] <TheHighChild> foot: are you lovely?
[04:48] <foot> TheHighChild: yes
[04:48] <foot> but not good looking
[04:49] <TheHighChild> foot: ok, the thing with your desktops? You mean the kicker?
[04:49] <foot> TheHighChild: yes
[04:49] <TheHighChild> foot: type alt + f2 and type 'kicker' it should show up
[04:50] <OOD> a little early to be upgrading :P
[04:50] <foot> TheHighChild: no good
[04:50] <George> OOD: it's fine
[04:51] <TheHighChild> foot: Make sure it's not hidden., check the sides of the screen for a small bar, there may be a minimize button
[04:51] <foot> TheHighChild: I have it set up to hide, but it isnt apearing
[04:51] <TheHighChild> foot: If that doesn't work, type 'which kicker' into the konsole
[04:51] <korgans> i need to use mesa instead of xgl how do i switch
[04:52] <mmorris> what am i supposed to do with this thing OOD?
[04:52] <korgans> i installed the nvidia frivers
[04:52] <foot> TheHighChild: usr/bin/kicker
[04:52] <mmorris> I saved the file to my desktop, but I dont know what to do now
[04:52] <TheHighChild> on the command line, type 'kicker &'
[04:52] <mmorris> I am new to all this linux stuff... so different from window
[04:53] <foot> kicker&
[04:53] <TheHighChild> a space in between the ampersand and the command
[04:53] <foot> TheHighChild: error kicker is already running
[04:53] <TheHighChild> foot: also, do that in the konsole 'kicker &' the ampersand tells it to run in he background
[04:54] <TheHighChild> foot: Ok, well, something is wrong. Either the hide settings are messed up or your KDE session is goofed. You can try to kill the kicker and restart it, or you can try to restart your kde session
[04:54] <foot>  TheHighChild: how do I kill the kicker?
[04:54] <TheHighChild> foot: 'ps aux |grep kicker'
[04:55] <TheHighChild> foot: That should show you the process ID of it
[04:55] <foot>  TheHighChild: I already restarted the comp
[04:56] <TheHighChild> foot: You can restart the kde session without rebooting, there are 2 methods
[04:56] <foot>  TheHighChild: and the other one is?
[04:56] <TheHighChild> foot: The first is ctrl + alt + backspace. That will kill your current session but not restart KDE completely. To do that you can type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[04:57] <Gun_Smoke> I'm feeling edgy
[04:57] <foot>  TheHighChild: doing the sudo...
[04:58] <Iam8up|lpy> how can you tell what version of X you have installed?
[04:58] <mmorris> OOD: you htere?
[04:59] <mmorris> here?
[05:00] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: X -version
[05:00] <OOD> mmorris: you have the file on your desktop?
[05:02] <foot> TheHighChild ok now im worried
[05:02] <Iam8up|lpy> bimberi: ok, ty
[05:03] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: np :)
[05:03] <Gun_Smoke> Can I upgrade to edgy via net?
[05:03] <foot>  TheHighChild: everything is messed up.and I still have no kicker. all from closing adept
[05:05] <Iam8up|lpy> i'm trying to compile a program, synergy2, and i get this program just after it sees that gcc is installed - any ideas? checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:05] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: see if installing the build-essential package fixes that
[05:05] <Iam8up|lpy> i looked in config.log - and theres too much for me to understand, but it didn't look like any errors were in there
[05:05] <Iam8up|lpy> you mean apt-get install build-essential ?
[05:06] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: yep (with sudo)
[05:06] <Iam8up|lpy> bimberi: i'm in interactive mode
[05:07] <Iam8up|lpy> i hate sudo...
[05:07] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: be careful then ;)
[05:07] <Iam8up|lpy> most of my knowledge is from redhat distros
[05:07] <Iam8up|lpy> that's what everyone says -- EVERYONE -- and yet i've never broken anything as root
[05:08] <Iam8up|lpy> course..i never really go changing shit w/o reading up, so i can't say i'm a good case
[05:08] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: hehe, neither have i *touches wood*
[05:08] <OOD> it's more of a securiy point for things like potential viruses
[05:08] <Iam8up|lpy> bimberi: hahah neat, that did fix my problem btw
[05:08] <Iam8up|lpy> tyvm
[05:08] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: np :)
[05:09] <TheHighChild> foot: Chances are it wasn't from closing adept. if anything, I would presume that adding repos and installing packages could possibly remove other packages.
[05:09] <bimberi> Iam8up|lpy: read ntfs, yes.
[05:09] <OOD> Iam8up|lpy: you can read ntfs partitions, yes
[05:10] <TheHighChild> foot: When you install a package, it may have dependent packages. Sometimes they conflict. A few months back I installed a package and it removed the entire kubuntu-desktop package.
[05:10] <Iam8up|lpy> yay!
[05:10] <foot> TheHighChild: ok and so?
[05:10] <Iam8up|lpy> worked, even auto mounted XD
[05:11] <TheHighChild> foot: i am just saying that I am *highly* doubtful that closing adept would result in missing packages or a malfunctioning machine. it's only a interface to a package manager
[05:12] <foot> all I know is that after I did that I lost the kicker and have been having fun since
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Closing a package manager like that *can* seriously destroy a machine
[05:12] <Iam8up|lpy> wow, the copy dialog is really neat on kde
[05:13] <TheHighChild> foot: unfortunately I am not too good with troubleshooting the GUI. I stick mainly to the terminal for my applications.
[05:13] <Hawkwind> It'll happen with any distros package manager if you ctrl-c it while running from CLI, or closing a GUI front end to it
[05:13] <foot> TheHighChild: well thanx anyway
[05:14] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: it wasn't in use, to the best of my knowledge. he/she was working with apt-get installing somepackages. Not sure why she/he had Adept open
[05:14] <TheHighChild> foot: Were you installing packages with adept?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Well if Adept was open, then apt-get from CLI wouldn't work.  You can't do both at the same time
[05:15] <mighty-d> hello, i've just installed bittorrent-gui , but i can't find binary file to run the app ... can you help me?
[05:15] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: Which was exactly the problem and I asked him/her to close it.
[05:16] <Hawkwind> mighty-d: bt<hit-the-tab-key>
[05:16] <Bearcat> foot will be back in a moment
[05:16] <TheHighChild> I've got to run my printer rounds, brb in 15
[05:16] <Bearcat> he's a newbie i'm trying  tp help over the phone
[05:16] <Bearcat> hey foot
[05:17] <foot> ho bearcat
[05:17] <mighty-d> Hawkwind: i just did that, but i get a lot of files and i can't find what it is
[05:18] <Hawkwind> mighty-d: When you hit bt<hit-the-tab-key> it will give you a list of apps that you can run that are bittorrent stuff.  You probably want: btdownloadgui
[05:18] <Hawkwind> mighty-d: That's a quick and easy way to find the executable of an app if you don't know it or it's oddly named
[05:19] <mighty-d> hawkwind: yes i think it is that one, please tell me one thing, i have to pass all parameters?.
[05:21] <mighty-d> damn , i need a torrent with some hurry, and my ktorrent client ain't running, can you help me please, im behind a router, but i have enabled nats to upd 6881-6999 and upd 6881-6999
[05:23] <Iam8up|lpy> can anyone tell me how to isntall "XTest"? apt-get install XTest doesn't work...
[05:24] <ironfroggy> are there any places i can find plugins for katapult?
[05:25] <Bearcat> what fs does kubuntu use by default?
[05:25] <Bearcat> ext3?
[05:25] <Jucato> Bearcat: yes
[05:25] <Bearcat> oh
[05:25] <Bearcat> ok
[05:41] <mighty-d_> hello, how can i make an audio cd using k3b and mp3 files?
[05:43] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  When I am playing either XMMS or Amarok and have Firefox going, Firefox doesn't have any sound when I'm watching video.  Btw, I'm using the mplayer plugin.
[05:44] <farous> Ertain: most of the time the problem is with flash as it uses the oss sound sys
[05:44] <farous> Ertain: one prog is using oss and it blocks the device
[05:44] <Ertain> Ah, good to know.
[05:45] <farous> Ertain: there is a wrapper. install alsa-oss
[05:45] <Ertain> farous: Can do.
[05:45] <farous> and then type aoss <prog name>. This will solve your prob
[05:46] <farous> Ertain: to check whis prog is using the old oss driver. In a terminal type lsof /dev/dsp
[05:47] <Iam8up|lpy> i have a thinkpad, t30, and i noticed in laptops & power, in system settings, i get 'special controls'
[05:47] <Iam8up|lpy> and the first problem i found was i couldn't find /dev/nvram - idea where to get this?
[05:47] <Iam8up|lpy> any idea*
[05:48] <farous> Iam8up|lpy: modprobe nvram
[05:48] <farous> Iam8up|lpy: this will create the device for you
[05:49] <farous> do you need it for tpb package
[05:49] <Iam8up|lpy> what's tpb...?
[05:49] <farous> Iam8up|lpy: think pad bottons
[05:49] <Iam8up|lpy> oh, i guess so
[05:49] <farous> you do not need it kubuntu have good gui instead of that package
[05:50] <Iam8up|lpy> then why is there an option for it..?
[05:51] <farous> i thought more options are better if you want to use it you can
[05:52] <Iam8up|lpy> i'd like to install it just to have it
[05:52] <Bearcat> in kubuntu what is the command to switch to rl 3 frm a terminal?
[05:52] <mighty-d_> hi, i need to get mad for kubuntu dapper
[05:57] <wubrgamer> how do i burn mp3's in k3b ?
[05:58] <unix_infidel> audio cde
[05:58] <unix_infidel> cd*
[05:58] <wubrgamer> ?
[05:58] <wubrgamer> yes
[05:58] <wubrgamer> yes
[05:58] <Iam8up|lpy> open up k3b..click audio cd project
[05:59] <Iam8up|lpy> drag songs to the bottom frame
[05:59] <Iam8up|lpy> and then click burn
[05:59] <unix_infidel> i dont see how k3b is less user friendly than cdda or nero.
[05:59] <jon_> i cant get my music to play
[05:59] <Iam8up|lpy> nor do i...i just figured that out in the past 30 seconds
[06:00] <unix_infidel> !restricted formats
[06:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:01] <Iam8up|lpy> it's bed time
[06:01] <Iam8up|lpy> i'm out like a fat kid in dodge ball
[06:03] <QMario> Is Firefox slow for any of you? 1.5.0.4
[06:17] <QMario> Why do programmer use "teh" in place of "the"?
[06:19] <intelikey> cause they can't type for shucks.
[06:20] <Bearcat> what is the latest version that kubuntu has of kde?
[06:21] <Jucato> Bearcat: the default install is KDE 3.5.2, but KDE 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 is also available
[06:21] <Jucato> I might hold off upgrading to KDE 3.5.4, tough...
[06:22] <Bearcat> why?
[06:22] <Bearcat> (i'm tryng to help foot who is having issues)
[06:22] <Jucato> it seems that some people have had some problems with it (including me)
[06:22] <Jucato> whoa... nalioth kicks some serious @#@$*  ^_^
[06:24] <Bearcat> Jucato: well, he did an update today. Apparently he still has 3.5.2. kdm is not acceptign his password for his main user (we can get in via startx at rl 3) and when he clicks on Perhiphrials-->display to correct his screen resolution, it brings him right back to the first screen in kcontrol. Any ideas?
[06:24] <Bearcat> Jucato: and his kicker is completely gone in another user.
[06:24] <Jucato> Bearcat: nope... sorry...
[06:24] <Bearcat> kicker is running, but it's just not visible
[06:25] <Jucato> Bearcat: for the Kicker problem, he can try this
[06:25] <Jucato> check System Settings > Desktop > Panel to make sure it isn't hidden
[06:25] <Bearcat> we did
[06:25] <jon_> help easyubuntu tells me i have a duplicate sources.list entry
[06:25] <jon_> i went to edit sources.list
[06:25] <Jucato>  @_@
[06:25] <Jucato> ok I'm out of ideas...
[06:25] <Bearcat> it's not hidden, it's not transparent. Kickier is running
[06:25] <jon_> but i dont see it duplicated
[06:26] <jon_> should i delete the one i do see?
[06:26] <unix_infidel> !es
[06:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:26] <Bearcat> yanno, foot, if your resolution is fucked up, it might just be off-screen
[06:26] <foot> could be
[06:27] <digibre4k_> hai...
[06:27] <digibre4k_> i need ure help...how can we make a web on linux?
[06:27] <cpk2> you can just scroll the screen over then if its offscreen
[06:27] <intelikey> Bearcat i had the same problem with kicker running but no way to access the panel (not visable)  run kcontrol and set the panel to no auto hide   and it will restore it.
[06:27] <jon_> how do i even change the sources.list? it says its read only
[06:28] <june> hey i installed evolution (i know i know you guys probably aren't fans) but i can't use spell check, do i need some other packages for spell check>?
[06:28] <intelikey> jon_ sudo
[06:28] <intelikey> !sudo > jon_
[06:29] <jon_> oh duh
[06:29] <jon_> thanks
[06:29] <intelikey> june evolution may use ispell/aspell/or even myspell   check which ones are installed...
[06:31] <jon_> easyubuntu says it wont install, fix broken packages first
[06:31] <jon_> how do i know what to fix?
[06:31] <june> intellikey: does it hafta be configured to use any of those?
[06:32] <intelikey> eeek 98M of updates...  DASH IT ALL!  </british_accent>
[06:32] <farous> evolution needs gnome-spell for the spell checker to work
[06:32] <intelikey> june as you said eariler,  i'm not a fan... sorry.
[06:32] <farous> i had this problem and had to ask in #evolution to figure that out
[06:34] <june> i had to kill adept abruptly (it froze on java's eula) and now it won't start again
[06:34] <intelikey> apt-cache search spell
[06:35] <Jucato> !info aspell
[06:35] <ubotu> aspell: GNU Aspell spell-checker. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.60.4-2 (dapper), package size 126 kB, installed size 1056 kB
[06:35] <intelikey> june sudo apt-get install -f
[06:35] <DFM> evening
[06:35] <intelikey> should fix it.
[06:36] <DFM> Can anyone tell with out a doubt what wi-fi card will work out of the box in Dapper?
[06:36] <intelikey> Jucato aspell is good.    i prefer the interface for ispell personally though.
[06:36] <Jucato>  ^_^
[06:36] <DFM> Read the help site about cards that supposedly will work but I am looking for someone who knows for a fact.
[06:38] <cpk2> most work right away
[06:39] <cpk2> easiest would be ones that have linux drivers
[06:39] <farous> DFM: intel pro wireless 2200BG worked out of the box here
[06:40] <unix_infidel> *nod*
[06:40] <unix_infidel> ubuntu has been REALLY good about getting that to work outta the box.
[06:40] <DFM> Figured as much. I read the help and wrote down all the ones that are supposed to work so I can go shopping tomorrow.
[06:40] <june> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20044
[06:40] <DFM> thanks
[06:40] <unix_infidel> except when it concerns hardware powermanagement of the wirless device in some laptops.
[06:41] <DFM> Not familiar with the 2200BG and forgot to say that it is a PCMCIA card I need
[06:41] <xxx> askum..
[06:41] <DFM> Is the 2200 a pcmcia card?
[06:41] <jon_> am i supposed to have mldonkey?
[06:41] <mighty-d_> k3b
[06:41] <unix_infidel> DFM: no its a mini-pci card.
[06:41] <jon_> its giving me errors
[06:41] <unix_infidel> DFM: you are looking for wireless devices that work well with KUbuntu?
[06:41] <DFM> damn. Probably would have helped if I gave you all the information huh?
[06:42] <unix_infidel> your requirements are what exactly?
[06:42] <DFM> Must be pcmcia and mixed wireless abilities
[06:42] <mighty-d_> ok, i've got it
[06:42] <cpk2> DFM: either way it should be pretty easy to set up even if you have to use ndiswrapper
[06:42] <unix_infidel> mixed wireless meaning? a,b,g? what are your encryption reqs?
[06:42] <mighty-d_> if you want to enable mp3 burning using k3b use apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 ;)
[06:42] <cpk2> you only will have a problem if you cant even detect the card
[06:42] <DFM> b,g wep at most
[06:43] <DFM> well that's where I am with the two cards I have now.
[06:43] <unix_infidel> DFM: wep is depcrecated. you should use WPA
[06:43] <unix_infidel> or even better require clients to authenticate to a radius server.
[06:43] <DFM> ok that will work. This laptop is mostly for surfing at home and while out and about
[06:43] <cpk2> DFM: you have 2 cards that dont show up when you do lspci?
[06:43] <DFM> correct
[06:44] <cpk2> ouch
[06:44] <intelikey> jon_ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock       if you know for sure no adept or update process is running.
[06:44] <unix_infidel> DFM: can you give US urls to the cards in question?
[06:44] <intelikey> jon_ then try again.
[06:44] <DFM> been talking to some people in here trying to make them work and decided to buy new.
[06:44] <DFM> I don't have any url's on theses.
[06:45] <jon_> what does that do, intelikey?
[06:45] <unix_infidel> DFM: just look for anything atheros, cisco aironet, orinoco.
[06:46] <unix_infidel> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[06:46] <unix_infidel> DFM: ^^ those are the known cards to work with the ndiswrapper driver.
[06:47] <intelikey> jon_ removes the lock file.    lock files are used to make sure that no two processes are accessing the database at the same time.    if a forced kill on a process leaves a lock file in place the app is then unusable until a reboot or the removal of the lock file.
[06:48] <jon_> well i tried to remove mldonkey
[06:48] <jon_> or i did
[06:48] <jon_> but it errored and i dont think it removed everything
[06:49] <jon_> is there anything important in a lock file?
[06:49] <intelikey> lock files are empty.   there is nothing in them at all
[06:50] <jon_> thanks
[06:50] <intelikey> maybe a pid  on occasion  that would be all
[06:51] <DFM_Wizard> I am really getting tired of Windows
[06:51] <intelikey> so don't use it.
[06:51] <DFM_Wizard> lost connection. No error report and had to reboot to acquire net connection
[06:51] <DFM_Wizard> I don't plan on it much once I hace my laptop working correctly
[06:52] <intelikey> M$ reboot OS for dummies
[06:54] <DFM> I use xp for some fps game's and it's on my work computer
[06:54] <DFM> other than that I have been using Knoppix and playing wiith Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[06:56] <DFM> Once I figure get the wi-fi working and the correct vidoe card driver installed I won't touch xp unless I feel like shooting something
[06:56] <DFM> Then I will probably use wine to run Steam and I won't need win at all
[06:56] <june> would there be any adverse affects to killing adept?
[06:56] <june> i don't think its doing anything
[06:56] <june> just it has a file lock and it won't let go
[06:57] <Bearcat> hell
[06:57] <foot> I am not pleased with my first day using kubuntu
[06:58] <june> hrm there seems to be 5 instances of adept
[06:58] <foot> but then I am not a programer
[06:58] <june> foot: use ubuntu
[06:58] <june> i'm a fan of gnome
[06:58] <june> which ubuntu uses, kubuntu uses kde
[06:58] <june> but anyways, what's your dismay with ubuntu? (because ubuntu and kubuntu are mostly the same)
[06:59] <intelikey> june only the fact that you can leave a lock file lying around.      (which can be removed)
[06:59] <Bearcat> june: his kicker pannel is gone, and one user can not log in via kdm (password not accepted) even though it logs in fine via vt1
[07:00] <june> LOL
[07:00] <foot> I lost my kicker, cant seem to get it back. it is there but not visable, running but unaccessable
[07:00] <soulrider> hi
[07:00] <foot> adept doesnt seem to be working now.
[07:00] <june> yeah adept is broken on me too
[07:00] <soulrider> :O
[07:00] <Hawkwind> Have you ever used linux prior to today ?
[07:00] <soulrider> what did you do :/
[07:00] <foot> you know everything was going well for the morning
[07:00] <foot> nope
[07:00] <june> synaptic (the gnome equivalent) never did this to me
[07:00] <june> well, a gtk package manager
[07:00] <soulrider> Kopete is broken for me
[07:00] <Hawkwind> foot: Not to sound negative, but that's probably why you aren't having luck.  Because you don't know the OS yet
[07:01] <foot> true
[07:01] <soulrider> foot, i suggest that until you gte used tio it and learn how it works, you try to tamper with it as little as possible
[07:01] <june> in all honesty, my first romp with ubuntu i replaced because i didnt know wtf i was doing, the second time around is going strong though (my first try lasted 3 days, and then i decided i knew enough to do for real)
[07:01] <soulrider> dont make any changes unless you REALLY know what youre doing
[07:01] <foot> but I was doing well untill about halfway thru installing ivtv, compiling really,
[07:02] <intelikey> foot did you try running kcontrol and setting the panel to auto hide  apply  no auto hide  apply   to see if it would bring it up ???     use   [alt] +[f2]    keys to get a place to type in   kcontrol
[07:02] <june> can i kill adept?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> You shouldn't compile things on a deb based distro unless you really know what you're doing
[07:02] <soulrider> june, es
[07:02] <soulrider> yes*
[07:02] <foot> yes, several times.
[07:02] <soulrider> killall adepy
[07:02] <soulrider> adept*
[07:02] <soulrider> sudo of course
[07:02] <june> well i know i can kill it
[07:02] <june> but
[07:02] <Hawkwind> Things that you compile can mess up a package manager as it's looking for deb packages therefore what you compiled isn't found by that package manager
[07:02] <june> i DONT THINK its doing anything
[07:02] <june> but could i be wrong?
[07:02] <soulrider> no output?
[07:03] <soulrider> you can also try
[07:03] <foot> I closed adept, that lost me the kicker somehow, and I have been having "fun" every since oh about 4pm this evening
[07:03] <Bearcat> june: he was following this: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[07:03] <soulrider> alt+F2
[07:03] <june> soulrider: its not visible, but apparently there are 5 instances
[07:03] <soulrider> then trype, kdesu ksyscontrol
[07:03] <scast> It is always better to use a .deb instead of a .sh script?
[07:03] <Hawkwind> killall kicker & kicker
[07:03] <Hawkwind> scast: If you use a deb based distro, then by all means stick with using deb packages
[07:04] <june> afk
[07:04] <soulrider> i ws thinking of getting a dock for my KDE; but, will it replace the bar at the bottom (which by the way i dont know what its called)
[07:04] <Hawkwind> If you compile things then you are likely to mess up things within your package manager
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Shipit!
[07:04] <Hawkwind> !tipihS
[07:04] <ubotu> I know nothing about tipihS - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:04] <Hawkwind> Hah
[07:04] <foot> tried killing the kicker and turning it back on
[07:05] <Hawkwind> foot: ps aux | grep kicker
[07:05] <Hawkwind> foot: Put the output of that into pastebin.ca
[07:05] <scast> Hawkwind: hmm ok. I am having a hard time deciding between how to install crossover. I can pick between a Debian (or Xandros) .deb or a .sh script.
[07:05] <Hawkwind> scast: Stick with a deb if it's made for your distro
[07:05] <intelikey> foot if halkwind's way doesn't work.   i know it's drastic.  but you can completely reset kde panel and all via    rm -r ~/.kde*      then [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 
[07:05] <scast> There is no deb for ubuntu
[07:05] <Hawkwind> Crossover happens to have native packages for almost all the major distros
[07:06] <scast> I think, I didn't check so well.
[07:06] <scast> lawl
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Is that a southern lol?
[07:07] <scast> DaSkreech: yes.
[07:07] <Hawkwind> intelikey: I think he'd be better of doing: mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker-old  than deleting all of ~/.kde
[07:07] <DaSkreech> All roight
[07:07] <Hawkwind> s/of/off
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: read the topic of #kde :)
[07:08] <foot> and now konquerer has no icons
[07:08] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I don't visit KDE since I don't run KDE :)
[07:08] <scast> knotes is amazing -_-
[07:08] <intelikey> Hawkwind for what ?     to have a broke configuration lying around ?    but i'm busy so do what ever works.
[07:08] <scast> Hawkwind: o_o
[07:08] <foot> and  "cannot talk to Klauncher"
[07:09] <DaSkreech> scast: It is?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Looks like a coloured text editor to me
[07:09] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Start off removing just that might fix it.  If it doesn't, then sure go all out and delete the entire config directory
[07:09] <scast> DaSkreech: I guess :-)
[07:09] <scast> lawl looks cool isn't it?
[07:09] <scast> :-O
[07:10] <scast> Lawl: the definitive text editor for Linux.
[07:10] <scast> rawr
[07:11] <xxx> puwahh wehhh....
[07:12] <scast> I have to say, Kontact is very cool.
[07:13] <foot> still no kicker
[07:13] <scast> Well if you can get around the fact that News and Sync component doesn't work
[07:13] <scast> -_-
[07:13] <DaSkreech> scast: I'm still getting used to it's coolness :)
[07:14] <nixternal> ;)
[07:14] <nixternal> News and Sync don't work??? what version are you using?
[07:14] <nixternal> news == akregator, and it works for me
[07:14] <scast> Version 1.2.3
[07:15] <abattoir> foot: upgraded KDE ?
[07:15] <nixternal> oh
[07:15] <nixternal> haha
[07:15] <intelikey> foot what have you tried ?
[07:15] <scast> nixternal: o_o
[07:15] <nixternal> i didn't even notice the "News" think, and "Syncronization" is broke now
[07:15] <scast> -_-
[07:15] <nixternal> sync worked b4 right?
[07:15] <scast> no idea
[07:15] <scast> I just updated everything
[07:15] <nixternal> i used to sync my palm with it, so i know it did
[07:15] <scast> I can get around the fact a lot of apps are outdated but I need kde to be in the bleeding edge
[07:15] <scast> No idea why.
[07:16] <foot> killed kicker, rebooted, reset all to default in kde control...
[07:16] <nixternal> kde won't be bleeding edge until next year
[07:16] <nixternal> when they release KDE 4
[07:16] <intelikey> abattoir sorry.  i'll let you.  i'm busy and lagging.
[07:16] <abattoir> intelikey: heh, ok ;)
[07:16] <abattoir> foot: ok, kill kicker again, 'killall kicker'
[07:16] <nixternal> scast: you are correct about the outdated apps, and that tends to annoy me
[07:16] <scast> what's the big difference betwen News and Feeds?
[07:17] <abattoir> foot: then rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[07:17] <mighty-d_> ok thanks 4 everything enjoy
[07:17] <foot> um, ok
[07:17] <nixternal> oh wow DaSkreech, you have payback, as I am not about to sit here and build KDE nightlies again
[07:17] <mighty-d_> cya
[07:17] <nixternal> i used to do that in the past..no more of that
[07:17] <abattoir> foot: also, rm -rf ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker
[07:17] <DaSkreech> Why not? :) Nice way to kill 5 minutes ;o)
[07:18] <abattoir> foot: then launch it 'kicker'... you should get the default kicker config back...
[07:19] <Bearcat> foot: do a "kicker &" so you get your prompt back
[07:19] <foot> ok I have a kicker  YAY!!!!!
[07:19] <Bearcat> WHOOOOO!
[07:20] <foot> and konqueror has th icons back. thank you
[07:20] <abattoir> foot: what icons?
[07:20] <abattoir> or rather, which ones?
[07:21] <foot> when I first start konqeror it loads the local brows page with "home folde, applications,trash, etc.
[07:21] <foot> the icons were missing and now they are back after doing what you said
[07:21] <foot> all within the page
[07:22] <abattoir> foot: really? :S ok :)
[07:24] <foot> abattoir: thanks again. I think I will continue trying to load the ivtv stuff tomorrow. any suggestions?
[07:25] <Bearcat> can he just grab itv with adept?
[07:25] <soulrider> !compile basics
[07:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about compile basics - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:25] <abattoir> foot: np :) , wrt ivtv, what is the problem?
[07:26] <abattoir> !find ivtv
[07:26] <ubotu> Found: libvideo-ivtv-perl
[07:26] <foot> all I found wat the page  http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[07:27] <abattoir> foot: ok.... and?
[07:27] <foot> so I have been following that
[07:27] <foot> I got halfway thru when the real fun started
[07:28] <foot> This will create a package called ivtv0.4-utils_0.4.3-1_i386.deb (or similar) in the current directory. You can install it with:    that is as far as I got
[07:29] <abattoir> foot: so you installed the deb...
[07:30] <foot> no adept was open in a different desktop and when I went to close that it started the mess
[07:30] <abattoir> and it complains about your database being locked?
[07:31] <foot> huh?
[07:31] <scast> Hmmm
[07:31] <abattoir> foot: what is the 'mess' exactly?
[07:31] <scast> Kontact just looks cool.
[07:32] <foot> first I lost the kicker,
[07:32] <foot> then when ?????I rebooted the display was on the lowest setting,
[07:32] <abattoir> foot: what were you doing w/ adept? upgrading anything?
[07:33] <foot> then I couldnt access the display functon in kcontrol
[07:33] <foot> yes the recomended updates while I was waiting for someone to come back to help me
[07:33] <foot> they were done
[07:33] <foot> the updates
[07:34] <abattoir> foot: ok, now that you have restarted, and adept is not running, the dpkg command should work
[07:34] <foot> right, I am trying it now
[07:34] <abattoir> you can look at it tmr if you want ;)
[07:35] <foot> database is locked by a diferent prosscess
[07:35] <intelikey> "<foot> then I couldnt access the display functon in kcontrol"  <--- foot ffr  hold [alt]  and press+hold left mouse button on the window you need to move then drag the window to where you can access the part of it you need to access.
[07:36] <foot> I think you missunderstand, I could see the display choice but when I clicked on it it took be to the previously displayed option screen
[07:37] <abattoir> foot: try this in a terminal 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[07:38] <scast> !easysource
[07:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:38] <intelikey> yeah guess i did.    low rez and not being able to access options 'generally' means cant get to a button.
[07:38] <foot> pid access comand  5883 f . . . adept     kill proccess?
[07:38] <abattoir> foot: hmmm adept is still running
[07:38] <abattoir> kill adept
[07:38] <foot> kill it?
[07:38] <abattoir> foot: you arent using it now right?
[07:39] <foot> adept notifier is in the kicker
[07:39] <abattoir> if you arent, kill it
[07:39] <foot> but I havent run it
[07:39] <abattoir> after killing, try the dpkg command again, it should work this time
[07:40] <intelikey> automatic updates are so much fun
[07:40] <W00d5t0ck> hi
[07:41] <W00d5t0ck> sorry to interrupt
[07:41] <foot> adept operation not permited no process killed
[07:41] <intelikey> hey hippy-fest  :)
[07:41] <W00d5t0ck> i`ve a problem with xgl...maybe someone knows
[07:42] <draik> Hello DaSkreech
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Hello
[07:43] <intelikey> !xgl > W00d5t0ck
[07:43] <W00d5t0ck> first of all forgive my english...after following some link and doing some configurations i get this error
[07:43] <W00d5t0ck> error opening /dev/wacom: no such file or directory
[07:43] <draik> hello intelikey
[07:44] <foot> forget this, I will try again in the morning.
[07:44] <W00d5t0ck> xf860OpenSerial: cannot open device
[07:44] <foot> t5hanks for all the help
[07:44] <soulrider> can somoene help em compile something? i get some errors at the end of 'make'
[07:44] <intelikey> draik
[07:45] <W00d5t0ck> thnx for the link
[07:45] <intelikey> W00d5t0ck you can remove the 3 or 4 listings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that define and refer to wacom seeing that you don't have one.
[07:46] <scast> !easysource
[07:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:47] <W00d5t0ck> i have wacom everywhere
[07:47] <Jack1> hi
[07:47] <intelikey> W00d5t0ck one of the teem thought it better for the majority to remove wacom than for the few that have it to add the device to the config...    go figure.
[07:47] <Jack1> how did u get the real one player with amazon working?
[07:49] <intelikey> W00d5t0ck oh ?   you do have a wacom tablet ???      and still get those errors?   or are you saying you have mentions of it 'everywhere' in the xorg.conf ?
[07:49] <W00d5t0ck> yup
[07:49] <wckdkl0wn> does anyone in here use demonoid?
[07:49] <W00d5t0ck> last one
[07:50] <intelikey> ?
[07:50] <intelikey> yes.  you can safely remove all referances to wacom.
[07:51] <Bearcat> thanx for helping my friend folkd
[07:51] <Bearcat> *folks
[07:52] <W00d5t0ck> well it will be all because i dont have a talbet, i get those errors and i have wacom everywhere
[07:52] <intelikey> remove entire sections that start with "inputdevice" and describe wacom   then only the lines in the section starting "serverlayout"
[07:52] <Bearcat> but i'm off to bed
[07:52] <W00d5t0ck> im goint to remove then
[07:54] <W00d5t0ck> done
[07:54] <W00d5t0ck> are those lines written by default?
[07:54] <intelikey> reset X
[07:55] <intelikey> yep default
[07:57] <intelikey> W00d5t0ck like i said eariler, one of the *buntu teem thought it better for the majority to remove wacom, or ignore the error messages; than for the few that have it to add the device to the config...    go figure.
[07:57] <W00d5t0ck> ive adept running ... is there a way of stoping the updates and install what have already being downloaded?
[07:57] <intelikey> all in the name of 'automatic'  aka  'just works'   or imo "just sucks."
[07:58] <W00d5t0ck> :P
[07:58] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:58] <W00d5t0ck> well im going to restar x
[07:58] <intelikey> you can stop the update and let it resume later.  or start it again later  yes.   install only the part already dl'd  not advisable.
[07:59] <W00d5t0ck> ill be back :P
[07:59] <intelikey> as to the real question.  yes it is possable.   but i don't feel like explaining why you don't want to.
[08:04] <DaSkreech> http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/gran5.shtml
[08:04] <dave__> a
[08:04] <intelikey> hmmm  wonder if hippy-fest messed something up...
[08:05] <intelikey> hehhe  check this error by the guru; http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/~era/unix/award.html#ls
[08:06] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, Good Morning..
[08:06] <|lostbyte|> :)
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Sweeeet
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Someone should make a deb for this
[08:06] <DaSkreech> http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/20/1918210&from=rss
[08:08] <DaSkreech> HI |lostbyte|
[08:10] <woodstock_> well
[08:10] <W00d5t0ck> lets say that if i comment the wacom part i dont get a gui
[08:11] <intelikey> lets say that is not true.
[08:12] <W00d5t0ck> well...
[08:12] <W00d5t0ck> ive reinstalled the nvidia drivers to get jde working
[08:12] <W00d5t0ck> kde*
[08:13] <W00d5t0ck> i get this error triying to run xgl --- Cannot connect to x server :0
[08:13] <draik> Goodnight everyone. Or morning/afternoon/evening, whatever suits your timezone
[08:14] <intelikey> if you comment the whole Section "ServerLayout"  you don't get a gui    or if you comment only part of  Section "InputDevice"    device "wacom"  you don't get a gui.      a broke xorg.conf means you don't get a gui.    but removing wacom from it does not.
[08:15] <|lostbyte|> W00d5t0ck, More Details pls..
[08:15] <intelikey> and that applies even if you had a wacom tablet ^
[08:16] <W00d5t0ck> ok
[08:16] <W00d5t0ck> im going to try again
[08:18] <intelikey> you could pastebin the final just after saving and let us look and see if it's broken or usable....    just a thought.
[08:18] <intelikey> !paste
[08:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:23] <jbrouhard> Anyone here use a client similar to skype that has webcam support
[08:23] <jbrouhard> and has a windows version as well?
[08:24] <intelikey> !skype
[08:24] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:24] <jbrouhard> I already know all that
[08:25] <jbrouhard> however skype linux does not have webcam support
[08:25] <jbrouhard> which is my problem
[08:25] <intelikey> thought that might have info.....
[08:25] <W00d5t0ck> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20047
[08:25] <|lostbyte|> There is another one..
[08:25] <jbrouhard> ekiga ?
[08:25] <intelikey> looking W00d5t0ck
[08:26] <W00d5t0ck> thats what i think im running
[08:26] <intelikey> also lagging band width all used up.
[08:28] <W00d5t0ck> antything wrong?
[08:29] <intelikey> W00d5t0ck no    Section "ServerLayout"    with lines simular to  (Identifier "Default Layout"     Screen "Default Screen"   InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"   InputDevice "Configured Mouse" )    ending with   EndSection
[08:30] <intelikey> wide gaps mean new lines ^
[08:30] <intelikey> ( ) not included.
[08:31] <W00d5t0ck> i get the last one but i dont understand what you want me to do
[08:32] <intelikey> just add that section to the end.   use the names of your screen and inputdevice X2
[08:32] <|lostbyte|> W00d5t0ck, Why are you showing us  your xorg.conf ?
 i cant run xgl
[08:33] <intelikey> |lostbyte| cause i asked for it.
 ok
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> oh.
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> W00d5t0ck, Where do you get this error ?
[08:33] <|lostbyte|> you displayed earier.
[08:34] <|lostbyte|> earlier*
[08:34] <intelikey> keyboard0 mouse0   not the way i copied it from mine.   :)
[08:34] <|lostbyte|> Also, link me to which guide did you follow to get it working. ?
[08:35] <intelikey> err  "Keyboard0"   and   "Mouse0"   heh
[08:35] <W00d5t0ck> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127090
[08:35] <W00d5t0ck> ive followed a lot but this was the last one
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> intelikey, whats wronge with that ?
[08:37] <word> !esd
[08:37] <ubotu> esd is the enlightened sound deamon. It's deprecated, use !alsa instead
[08:37] <word> >.>.
[08:37] <Johncro13> hi.
[08:38] <W00d5t0ck> well im going to check
[08:38] <apeman2020> hello all!
[08:38] <|lostbyte|> W00d5t0ck, have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[08:38] <apeman2020> Does anyone have any experience setting up CYRUS? or mail servers in general
[08:38] <intelikey> |lostbyte| doesn't have any   Section "ServerLayout"     but i'm not sure xorg can't run without it.....    i just know it should have it.
[08:39] <levi_> !java
[08:39] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:39] <|lostbyte|> intelikey, he has, but right on top.. :P
[08:39] <Johncro13> anyone with any wireless info?
[08:39] <apeman2020> ubotu:!cyrus
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubotu:!cyrus - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:39] <|lostbyte|> Johncro13, Shoot :0
[08:39] <levi_> !multiverse
[08:39] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:40] <levi_> !easysource
[08:40] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:40] <Johncro13> thanks, lostbyte.  My network is wpa-encrypted.  I have my wpa_supplicant config file set up, but when I try to follow instructions I've found, I get a dependancy error saying libc6 needs to be configured.
[08:41] <intelikey> |lostbyte| ah you're right.   but there looks like an error   :::   Screen      0  "Screen0" :::
[08:41] <intelikey> delete the  0
[08:42] <Jack1> hi i get the problem when i listen to music on the lappie the system sounds are so high
[08:43] <intelikey> |lostbyte| don't know why i overlooked that.   i guess because it was first...
[08:43] <Jack1> i hear them in the headphones as loud as the music s
[08:43] <Jack1> usually its ok, but is there a way to say decrease system sounds when listening music or headphones on?
[08:43] <|lostbyte|> intelikey, Mine's as screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0
[08:43] <|lostbyte|> :P
[08:44] <|lostbyte|> Works fine.
[08:45] <Johncro13> anybody ever heard of configuring libc6?
[08:46] <Johncro13> I haven't.
[08:46] <woodstock_> >*
[08:47] <woodstock_> ouch
[08:47] <woodstock_> :\
[08:47] <woodstock_> i cant
[08:48] <woodstock_> im going to leave it for today
[08:48] <woodstock_> its arround 4 and ive to wake up at 9 so...
[08:48] <woodstock_> thanks for all the help
[08:49] <|lostbyte|> woodstock_, GoodNight :)
[08:50] <woodstock_> thanks again, bye
[08:51] <Johncro13> so...yeah.
[08:53] <|lostbyte|> intelikey, the no is optional, its in case you have mutiple screens..
[08:54] <intelikey> that's what default screen is for.
[08:54] <|lostbyte|> yes.
[08:54] <intelikey> not arguing.  just pointing out the redundancy.
[08:55] <|lostbyte|> k :)
[09:02] <Johncro13> is anyone available to help me out with my small wireless issue?
[09:03] <w4zz> i want the wireless icon in my taskbar but how?
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, I think its in applet.
[09:04] <|lostbyte|> Johncro13, Shoot ! Someone will know..
[09:05] <Johncro13> k.
[09:05] <Johncro13> I cannot set up WPA_Supplicant.  I get a dependancy error.
[09:12] <w4zz> |lostbyte|: is applet an application?
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, right click panel > add applet.
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> and search for wifi.
[09:12] <w4zz> cant find anything :(
[09:12] <w4zz> i use KDE
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> oh ! then install kwifimanager first.
[09:12] <w4zz> okey
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> Johncro13, Are you Following the Ubuntu Wiki ?
[09:12] <Johncro13> sure am.
[09:12] <Johncro13> this dependancy error doesn't seem to be there.
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> Johncro13, and the error is  ?
[09:12] <Johncro13> libc6 is not configured.
[09:12] <w4zz> |lostbyte|: ehm.. kwifimanager doesen't exist. :S
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, exsist where ?
[09:12] <w4zz> apt-cache search
[09:12] <excitatory> anyone know what version of amarok ships with dapper 6.06?
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, thats not true.
[09:12] <w4zz> |lostbyte|:  then why doesent i find it? :S i don't understand
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> excitatory, 1.3.9 i belive..
[09:12] <excitatory> hrm
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, Did you add the repos ?
[09:12] <w4zz> repos?
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> !repos
[09:12] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:12] <w4zz> I'm a newbie on linux, sorry :(
[09:12] <|lostbyte|> w4zz, ^^
[09:13] <w4zz> |lostbyte|: how do i add?
[09:15] <unix_infidel> w4zz: follow the information on the websites given above.
[09:20] <Konstable> I have a USB device connected but Kubuntu won't detect it.  is there any way that i can force it to try detecting it?  I connected it up and it detected it before, so the device is compatible.
[09:21] <unix_infidel> why not tell us the USB device.
[09:21] <Konstable> iRiver H10
[09:22] <Konstable> MP3 player.
[09:22] <Konstable> FAT32 hard drive.
[09:22] <Konstable> just want to access the hard drive.
[09:22] <unix_infidel> it should have created a node in /dev/
[09:23] <Konstable> hrm. what would it be under in /dev/ ?
[09:23] <unix_infidel> probably /dev/sdXn
[09:23] <unix_infidel> what do you mean it didnt detect it.
[09:23] <unix_infidel> it didnt create a desktop icon for it automatically.
[09:23] <unix_infidel> ?
[09:24] <Konstable> it did yesterday  :S
[09:24] <korgans> hi
[09:24] <Konstable> but doesnt want to today
[09:24] <Konstable> i couldn't find anything like sdXn
[09:24] <unix_infidel> Konstable: that doesnt mean it didnt detect it, just that it didnt create a desktop icon.
[09:24] <unix_infidel> Konstable: fireup a $TERM and try dmesg | grep iriver
[09:25] <Konstable> unix_infidel: Blank
[09:25] <korgans> got a question what do  i put in the grub menu1st file to be able to boot my winxp os
[09:25] <korgans> my winxp is on dev/sda2
[09:27] <XeXo2> I'm sick of finding dev packages needed for compiling stuff, maybe i should just install everything in synaptic
[09:27] <june> when i start up adept it tells me another proccess is using the package database, what do i do? i have no clue what proccess might be doing that
[09:27] <june> XeXo2: haha yeah...
[09:27] <Konstable> Ok, I'll sort this out later.  I need to get the stuff out soon - I'll use Windows - that always works :P
[09:28] <june> how dare you
[09:28] <june> lol
[09:28] <excitatory> loser
[09:28] <excitatory> ;)
[09:29] <june> "Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one."  I have ONLY used adept on this system (nearly fresh install)
[09:30] <|lostbyte|> june, kill it.
[09:33] <intelikey> "<XeXo2> I'm sick of finding dev packages needed for compiling stuff, maybe i should just install everything in synaptic"   <--- or maybe the question should be asked "why are you compiling things"     or even if you want to compile things why are you not using distro, 'gentoo'  which is made for compiling everything ?
[09:33] <june> |lostbyte|: kill what? lol
[09:34] <june> ew, source based disgustingness
[09:34] <intelikey> june maybe try     sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:34] <XeXo2> how hard could gentoo be
[09:35] <june> its not hard
[09:35] <june> just gross
[09:35] <XeXo2> june: gross how?
[09:35] <intelikey> XeXo2 if you like building things you'll prolly like it.
[09:35] <june> http://funroll-loops.org/
[09:36] <XeXo2> intelikey: Only stuff like xine, vlc and mplayer
[09:36] <june> "To me, an extra 0.1% performance increase, even if I am only imagining it to be faster, is certainly worth one day a week recompiling all of the latest packages from source code."   GENTOO MENTALITY
[09:36] <june> from that link above
[09:37] <intelikey> XeXo2 all of which have their own ubuntu .deb package.
[09:45] <intelikey> XeXo2 spoken like a true gentoo user/fanatic/zeolot   go install gentoo
[09:45] <intelikey> :)
[09:45] <intelikey> then come back and laugh at us slow poke package users.... :)
[09:45] <june> well, we all know how up to date the repositories are
[09:45] <june> lol
[09:45] <june> i mean, they're not bad or anything
[09:45] <june> i've never had any problems
[09:45] <june> but they're certainly not cutting edge releases
[09:45] <june> especially the more obscure packages
[09:45] <unix_infidel> if you need bleeding edge and large repos...use something like archlinux.
[09:45] <unix_infidel> archlinux, smgl, gentoo, etc etc...they fit the bill nicely.
[09:45] <XeXo2> unix_infidel: wait archlinux has the largest repos?
[09:45] <june> intelikey: i've got xubuntu running on a p2 300mhz 96mb ram box fairly well
[09:45] <Healot> slackware - the mother of all software repos
[09:45] <june> i'm tempted to switch out xfce for fluxbox, but xfce is too pretty
[09:45] <intelikey> XeXo2 not larger than gentoo   larger than ubuntu
[09:45] <XeXo2> intelikey: now i want to try gentoo, might be fun
[09:45] <june> lol...
[09:45] <intelikey> Healot only because they never remove anything...
[09:45] <june> intelikey: i had no idea gentoo even had repos, i thought you hadta seek out all the source yourself
[09:45] <intelikey> emerge blah
[09:45] <XeXo2> The first time i looked at the gentoo site i loved it, that was right before i gave up because it said compile from source, but since i compile stuff anyway i might as well try it now
[09:45] <june> oh yeah that reminds me
[09:45] <june> how does yast match up against dpkg or apt-get? (i don't know which its comparable to)
[09:45] <igi> does somebody know why my DLs break in FF under Kubuntu and with FF under WinXP everything is OK?
[09:45] <june> igi: what do you mean they break?
[09:45] <igi> they stop at half
[09:45] <igi> e.g. rapidshare.de
[09:45] <igi> I try to DL like 50M
[09:45] <june> strange
[09:45] <june> i've never had any such problems
[09:46] <june> oh well my first kubuntu install failed miserably, now time for a reinstall
[09:46] <june> brb all
[09:49] <nolte> igi: look at your ethx intefaces speed and duplex settings
[09:50] <igi> nolte: I don't see it in my network settings
[09:50] <nolte> igi: ethtool -s eth0
[09:51] <nolte> igi: sorry sudo ethtool eth0
[09:51] <intelikey> 104 year old woman was asked what is the best thing about being 104 years old ?
[09:51] <intelikey> she answered 'no peer presure'
[09:52] <nolte> igi: what is your duplex and autoneg ?
[09:53] <igi> on -autoneg
[09:53] <igi> Duplex full
[09:54] <nolte> igi: hmm, thats o.k.
[09:55] <nolte> igi: you can set autoneg off and try it with half-duplex
[09:55] <igi> how I do that?
[09:56] <nolte> igi: sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex half autoneg off
[09:57] <nolte> igi: if you want autoneg again you turn it on with sudo ethtool -s eth0 autoneg on
[09:57] <Emess> anyone know how would ubuntu react to an external usb hdd that formerly had windows so is still NTFS, would it allow both read and write?
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> Emess, it would allow read.
[09:59] <Emess> thanks
[09:59] <Ash-Fox> Since I work a bit with distros, I can't remember if Ubuntu's kernels come with the new NTFS module that has proper write support, if it doesn't, you can always use CAPTIVE NTFS
[09:59] <Ash-Fox> *with a few too many distros
[10:00] <intelikey> it would allow write    but ntfs is not 'suported' in linux.   i.e.   you may break it.
[10:00] <kraut> moin
[10:01] <Emess> mmm the disk is already partially borken i think, it causes a BSOD for windows
[10:01] <igi> nolte: it seems to DL for now, but speed is much smalle than before
[10:01] <igi> smaller
[10:02] <Emess> adds it to the desktop as an 82GB Media
[10:02] <jbrouhard> Anyone here know a decent ekiga-like clone for Windows ??
[10:02] <intelikey> Emess why mot make it ext3 ?
[10:03] <Emess> can i convert it with keeping the info on it?
[10:03] <nolte> igi: perhaps theres a firmware update for your dsl router ?
[10:03] <Emess> its a lot of video files
[10:03] <intelikey> no
[10:03] <igi> even if there is, I can't acess it
[10:03] <nolte> igi: why is that ?
[10:04] <Emess> what about converting it to FAT32?
[10:04] <igi> because its  pass prot
[10:05] <intelikey> i sujest.  move data to safe place, badblocks it then fdisk and mke2fs -j  the thing  and move the data back....
[10:05] <nolte> igi: so it's not your own ? Are you directly connected to the dsl router or to a switch ?
[10:05] <Emess> mmm thanks
[10:05] <Emess> looks liek ubuntu didnt even detect the corrupt files
[10:05] <igi> to router, but its not mine
[10:05] <igi> it just supports PnP for Torrents and such
[10:07] <nolte> igi: so you should look if there's a software update for the router and ask if it could be applied. Or go back to autoneg and use a download manager (downThemAll Firefoy Extension)
[10:07] <intelikey> i kinna wosh i had a usb port on this box....
[10:07] <nolte> igi: autoneg on
[10:07] <igi> you can't use DownThemAll with RS
[10:07] <igi> or any other DL man
[10:08] <Healot> skype :)
[10:08] <nolte> igi: so, you have to go half duplex
[10:09] <igi> I turned autoneg on and it crashed 30s after
[10:09] <intelikey> 'the nice thing about being senile is, you can hide your own ester eggs'
[10:10] <nolte> igi: you can try a different network card
[10:10] <nolte> igi: if it's not a laptop
[10:11] <igi> it is
[10:11] <igi> :)
[10:11] <intelikey> 'senility is heirdatary, you get it from your children'
[10:11] <nolte> igi: what card ? broadcom ?
[10:12] <igi> I have ethernet on toshiba lap-top
[10:12] <igi> think it is intel chip-set
[10:12] <nolte> igi: sudo lspci -v
[10:13] <igi> TI host controller
[10:14] <nolte> igi: try sudo lspci, whats your ethernet controller ?
[10:15] <intelikey> I've sure gotten old! I've had two bypass surgeries, a hip replacement, new knees. Fought prostate cancer and diabetes. I'm half blind, can't hear anything quieter than a jet engine, take 40 different medications that make me dizzy, winded, and subject to blackouts. Have bouts with dementia. Have poor circulation; hardly feel my hands and feet anymore.  Can't remember if I'm 85 or 92. Have lost all my friends. But, thank G
[10:15] <igi> Toshiba America Info Systems Marvell 88E8036 Fast Ethernet Controller
[10:16] <nolte> igi: sorry i've to say that, but marvel is crap
[10:16] <igi> but why than Win does it with no errors
[10:17] <igi> then
[10:17] <intelikey> no american here eeh???      thought americans would think the funny ^
[10:18] <igi> I'll try to use wireless at work, maybe it will be different
[10:19] <nolte> igi: i'm talking to a coworker at the moment, so hold on
[10:21] <nolte> igi: so, he turned off acpi and the network was o.k. but then he had problems with the powermanagemant. so your stuck.
[10:22] <igi> Only problem I have is with breaking longer DLs
[10:22] <nolte> igi: if haplf duplex speed is o.k. for you.
[10:23] <nolte> igi: half duplex
[10:23] <intelikey> "THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference."
[10:24] <igi> well, I'll try but going to Win for such tasks seem to be more practical solution
[10:24] <igi> :)
[10:26] <intelikey> "<igi> Only problem I have is with breaking longer DLs"   <--- wget -c url      to continue the dl.
[10:26] <intelikey> wget / wput    the linux way to move files accross the network.
[10:27] <igi> intelikey: and if server does not support ressuming?
[10:28] <Emess> anyone know that i need to setup for samba so windows computers on my network can access files on the linux box?
[10:32] <intelikey> igi ah    find a mirror ?
[10:33] <igi> done that, it seem that it is only problem with linux
[10:33] <mkpaa> I have a problem setting up dual screen on dapper/kde. I have matrox g550 dual head and 2 monitors. I can get the same desktop to both monitors at correct resolution but when I try dual the primary monitor show with incorrect resolution and is unusable
[10:33] <igi> I've just tried to DL 6MB file and it broke
[10:33] <mkpaa> 'unusable' meaning I have to scroll around the screen to actually see anything
[10:38] <intelikey> igi url ?
[10:40] <intelikey> mkpaa the 'vertual resolution'  setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf   comment it out.    that's what's causing the 'unusalbe' rez
[10:41] <intelikey> vertual is larger than real.
[10:41] <igi> Intelkey: it is the same for all rapidshare and megaupload urls
[10:41] <igi> and upload,con
[10:41] <igi> com
[10:42] <igi> it is not url that is the problem
[10:42] <igi> when DL dialog appears FF says it is a bin file, although it is a WMW, maybe that has some meaning?
[10:53] <mkpaa> figured it out, thanks/
[10:56] <intelikey> the guy writing the wiki  or the web page is not infalable...
[10:59] <intelikey> in fact this guy is full of KRAP !   and dissing on others about their bad coding.  "http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/~era/unix/award.html#ls"    and   "http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/~era/unix/award-example-ls.html"   linked from the former.
[11:00] <intelikey> doesn't seem to grasp the way  ls  works.
[11:01] <intelikey> ls != ls *      and     ls * != *
[11:03] <Emess> anyone know how to get windows to see my ubuntu box when it browses the network?
[11:04] <intelikey> set up a share in samba   or  apache   or an ftp server....
[11:04] <intelikey> prolly other ways.
[11:05] <intelikey> but i'm network illiterate.
[11:05] <intelikey> !lamp
[11:05] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:06] <intelikey> !samba
[11:06] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:06] <intelikey> !ftp
[11:06] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[11:11] <intelikey> hmmm kdevelop seems pretty comprehinsive.   looks like a code writers app for the gui ....
[11:13] <intelikey> only 2 more hours of dl time.   and this update will be caught up...     i told my self that i would never update this system again...    don't know why i lied about it...
[11:13] <intelikey> but why have LTS and not use it....
[11:17] <Arkkis> So, I've been trying to get XGL to work, I've followed three different howto's and have not succeeded
[11:17] <Arkkis> Any more howto's to try out?
[11:20] <andrew__> Arkkis, why have your previous attempts failed?
[11:20] <andrew__> what went wrong?
[11:20] <Arkkis> well, kde started, and I did not see anything new, or nothing started with no errormessages in logfiles I found
[11:21] <Arkkis> and frankly, I'm kinda lost with it.
[11:22] <andrew__> have you tried running the xgl daemon
[11:22] <andrew__> maybe it didnot start on startup
[11:23] <Arkkis> hmm
[11:23] <Arkkis> no, I did not even know there was a daemon :D
[11:23] <|lostbyte|> Arkkis, How do you start you xgl ?
[11:24] <intelikey> TheMoebius apt-cache search linux-source && uname -r
[11:24] <andrew__> from what I remember its something like "Xgl :l -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv" - this could be wrong and you may need to change it for your setup
[11:24] <Arkkis> well, I tried editing .Xsession file according to one howto and then with startx (not sure if that was what I was supposed to do..)
[11:24] <Arkkis> that line seems familiar too
[11:24] <andrew__> try just running it, rather then have X call it
[11:24] <intelikey> TheMoebius you'll have to get it from kernel.org i guess.
[11:25] <plugs> i'm trying to compile SDL programs and i get a message that version 1.2.0 isnt found. i have version 1.2.9, what should i do?
[11:26] <BazziR> install the -dev package
[11:26] <plugs> i think it's installed, i'll check
[11:27] <Arkkis> andrew__, I'll try more when I get home from work
[11:27] <Arkkis> thanks
[11:27] <|lostbyte|> Arkkis, pastebin what you added ?
[11:27] <Arkkis> hmm
[11:27] <elis> !compiz
[11:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:28] <TheMoebius> intelikey: ah, I guess cdemu requires 2.6.16 or later but version 0.7 isn't compiling very well on my amd64 so I guess I'm stuck
[11:28] <Ademan> that's the second time sun-java5-bin has crashed adept
[11:28] <plugs> libsdl1.2-dev is installed
[11:28] <Ademan> well, adept is hung up now anyways
[11:30] <Ademan> anyone else have that problem?
[11:30] <Ademan> i did a fresh install because then adept kept the stupid database all locked up and it couldnt start anymore
[11:30] <Arkkis> |lostbyte|, I'm sending the script to pastebin, as soon as it replies..
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> Ademan, is it just adept or apt-get too ?
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> k
[11:30] <Ademan> |lostbyte|: i assume its just adept
[11:30] <Jucato> Ademan: don't install sun-java5-bin from Adept
[11:30] <Ademan> because on the box i'm on right now
[11:30] <Ademan> i installed that package just fine through synaptic
[11:30] <Jucato> Ademan: it's a problem with Adept
[11:31] <Ademan> Jucato: great...
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> Ademan, I think synaptic usues its own generated DB.
[11:31] <Ademan> so how can i semi gracefully kill adept and still be able to get at my package database
[11:31] <Jucato> Adept can't accept input for those Licensing Agreement confirmation
[11:31] <intelikey> apeman ?    are you hanging your p upside down today ?
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> Jucato, Have you tried does the reconfigure comamnd. ?
[11:31] <Ash-Fox> I love how ISPs have a 'fair usage policy', but I can't get any information on what that is from them.
[11:32] <Ademan> intelikey: heh, no, i didnt realize there was an apeman on freenode
[11:32] <Jucato> Ademan: after you have killed Adept (it's ok to leave adept-notifier alone), go to Konsole and type in "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[11:32] <Ademan> sudo killall adept ? or should i do it from the system monitor?
[11:32] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> Ademan, THe command.. Jucato just said.
[11:33] <Jucato> Ademan: sudo killall adept. you won't be able to kill it using system monitor since it's run by root
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> Ademan, Do that with -9 to make sure.
[11:33] <intelikey> ah ok.  sorry if i mixed you with him.
[11:33] <Arkkis> hrmh
[11:33] <Arkkis> pastebin does not work :(
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> lol
[11:34] <Ademan> intelikey: its ok, to further confuse things i was june, thats the kubuntu box intended for my mother
[11:35] <Ademan> but i'm on my personal gnome using box right now :-p
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> Arkkis, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:35] <andrew_> Ash-fox, which isp are you with?
[11:36] <Arkkis> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20053
[11:37] <Ademan> this is actually semi related, what do you guys (in the US) think is the best deal for internet? I would love to do better than 56k, but if thats the best deal i'll deal with it, cause i'm poor, is ISDN a viable option?
[11:37] <Ademan> NOOOOOOOO XeXo2!!!!!
[11:38] <intelikey> ah he'll love it for a week or two.
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> Arkkis, kde-window-decorator is not used anymore..
[11:39] <Arkkis> umm, okay
[11:39] <|lostbyte|> Arkkis, Instead of that.. install.. cgwd
[11:39] <|lostbyte|> and add this time..
[11:39] <|lostbyte|> line*
[11:39] <|lostbyte|> cgwd & > ~/cgwd-window.log 2>&1 &
[11:39] <Ademan> i don't like gentoo because of the elitist users, kind of like debian users, but imho worse
[11:40] <syklops> Ademan, im not in the us, but as someone from a country who is at the bottom of the list of the top 50 countries for broadband rollout, I am fairly sure you can find a cheaper alternative to 56k. ISDN is pricey. adsl, or wireless would be a better for u
[11:40] <intelikey> Ademan dialup here because it's that or satalite...  no cable not local dsl service.
[11:40] <Ademan> geeze
[11:40] <intelikey> not even ^
[11:40] <Ademan> well i can't even get 56k to work here
[11:40] <Ademan> it can't get the hw configured
[11:41] <Ademan> probably cause of screwy pcmcia on my comp
[11:41] <Ademan> but i honestly don't know
[11:41] <intelikey> :/
[11:41] <Ademan> sagre?
[11:41] <Arkkis> |lostbyte|, okay, I'll try that
[11:41] <Arkkis> I'll have to undo some of the changes from another howto first tho
[11:42] <intelikey> sarge      */me typos really bad*
[11:43] <intelikey> sarge as in debian stable
[11:48] <Emess> intelikey: any ideas on how to adds a guest user?
[11:49] <intelikey> Emess sure    sudo useradd guest && sudo passwd guest
[11:49] <intelikey> guest could be any name.
[11:49] <intelikey> Emess man useradd
[11:50] <Jucato> Emess or you could use the graphical User manager...
[11:50] <intelikey> lots of fancy switches you could use.
[11:50] <Emess> is there a way to do it without a password?
[11:50] <Ademan> lol
[11:50] <Ademan> yeah i have a sarge install
[11:51] <Ademan> well, i tried to install it on this box
[11:51] <Ademan> but it couldnt detect my ethernet card
[11:51] <intelikey> yes   sudo passwd -d guest
[11:51] <Ademan> so it couldnt download any of the packages i needed
[11:51] <intelikey> Ademan you debian elitest
[11:52] <intelikey> fix it.
[11:52] <intelikey> :)
[11:52] <Mandalf> !compiz
[11:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:53] <Emess> mmm the windows computer wont login, even with the username and pw
[11:53] <intelikey> "couldnt detect my..."  that's what modprobe is for.
[11:53] <|lostbyte|> Emess, :S windows computer ?
[11:54] <intelikey> samba ?
[11:54] <intelikey> you have to add the samba passwd or something.
[11:55] <intelikey> i don't do html either.
[11:56] <intelikey> rochester new york  hmmm
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> There is a smbpasswd command.
[11:58] <nalpha> heiii i want to ask... who the operator in ubuntu??? why i get banned??? what's wrong??? i'm ask fedora directory server on ubuntu not fedora linux!!!
[11:58] <waylandbill> yup.. good ol' rottenchester. :-D
[11:59] <intelikey> you go |lostbyte|,  you tell 'em
[11:59] <intelikey> that's right,  y'all better listen to |lostbyte| now....
[11:59] <|lostbyte|> :P
[11:59] <waylandbill> I have a t-shirt that says "I don't do Windows" with tux on it... homemade.
[12:00] <Emess> any more info on that |lostbyte|?
[12:01] <Ademan> i have a computer i want to be a print server, should i share it with samba since there ARE windows computers (one, my poor poor little brother) on my network?
[12:01] <intelikey> nalpha you're welcome to ask your questions in here     until an op takes a notion to help you leave...
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> Emess, smbpasswd -n -a guest
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> should do it.
[12:01] <intelikey> waylandbill   :)
[12:02] <waylandbill> Ademan: you'll have to... or tell him to get his own printer. ;-)
[12:02] <Ademan> lol
[12:02] <intelikey> i think i'll make a t'ee shirt that says.   "no damnit! i'm not slow, just lagging."
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> I got a t-shirt that says, "My girlfriend uses Linux"
[12:02] <Ademan> i definitely am getting an ubuntu shirt
[12:02] <intelikey> Ademan just cups for the printing.
[12:02] <Ademan> just the ubuntu logo
[12:03] <waylandbill> intelikey: that's a great idea for a shirt...
[12:03] <Ademan> |lostbyte|: haha, mine will soon, as soon as she gets her new laptop
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> It better to make one, cost 5 kd here.
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> :)
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> that sound 10 $
[12:03] <|lostbyte|> around*
[12:03] <waylandbill> already converted the wife over to linux... of course, she has to use it or nothing, but she's grown to like it more than the alternative.
[12:04] <intelikey> the cyrcle logo.   or the slogan logo ?
[12:04] <waylandbill> the slogan
[12:04] <Ademan> circle
[12:04] <Ademan> for me
[12:05] <Ademan> i love that circle thing
[12:05] <Ademan> i especially like how the default xfce startup screen is the mouse running around in the circle like a mousewheel, its entertaining
[12:06] <Ademan> ugh, systemsettings crashed on me for the 3rd time in a row inexplicably
[12:06] <waylandbill> Ademan, that does sound interesting.. been looong time since I tried xfce
[12:06] <Ademan> waylandbill: it was either that or fluxbox for my 300 mhz 96mb ram machine :-)
[12:07] <waylandbill> sounds better than linux for puppies.
[12:07] <elis> !compiz
[12:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:08] <Ademan> i'm thinking of making it into a music server, have the sound card output to my house's stereo (an admittedly crappy one) but i'm too lazy to code the server, because i want it to be more like, you drag and drop files into a little area in the client program, and the server downloads them and queues them, and i don't think anything like that is around yet
[12:08] <Ademan> the client would be easy enough, i'd just do it with pygtk, i don't know enough about linux sound APIs to do anything for the server really
[12:09] <intelikey> i like linux   i like slackware mandrake/mandriva redhat/fedora debian/ubuntu add infinitum  hard to find a pinguin i don't like.    (ubuntu is not my favorite)
[12:09] <waylandbill> sounds like a great use for an older machine
[12:10] <intelikey> waylandbill all they would need to do is add the artical 'a' and it would fix the slogan.      ubuntu is surely  'a linux for human beings'     :)
[12:10] <Ademan> Ci2azy is attempting to send you a file named "a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a". Do you wish to accept the transfer?
[12:11] <Ademan> gee, sounds convincing
[12:11] <Ademan> i better accept the file
[12:11] <MistaED> ademan: just got that too
[12:12] <Ademan> is there such thing as an ogg stream?
[12:12] <Ademan> well, ogg vorbis specifically
[12:12] <waylandbill> Ademan: you mean from like an ice server? yes
[12:12] <deb> is there a way to convert a real audio file (ram) to mp3 ?
[12:13] <intelikey> Ademan accept it and mv "a a*" `echo "a a*" | tr "a" "b"`     and send it back   hehhe
[12:14] <waylandbill> I record ogg's from a remote site in real time and use an ice server to transfer it over.
[12:15] <Ademan> waylandbill: i wonder if radio stations have to buy the rights to a song, or just the song
[12:15] <Mandalf> !compiz
[12:15] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:15] <waylandbill> Ademan: I think they buy a license to rebroadcast them, but they don't actually own them.
[12:16] <Ademan> i wonder if anyone would go to a "wikiradio" site
[12:16] <Ademan> where people upload their files to each radio channel
[12:16] <intelikey> actually you'd have to use  a\ a*   rather than "a a*"  for that to work  but it sounded good on paper
[12:16] <Ademan> and people "tune in" and get an ogg stream of whatever
[12:16] <Ademan> so it would be kinda like requesting a song
[12:16] <Ademan> ...except you already have it...
[12:17] <Ademan> hrmpf... maybe not...
[12:17] <Arkkis> that ubotu url for compiz does not work
[12:17] <Ademan> lol
[12:17] <Ademan> the idea sounded good at first
[12:17] <intelikey> "if you build it, they will come"
[12:17] <Ademan> it would be awesome if it was coupled with a REAL broadcast radio station, now that would be cool
[12:17] <Ademan> though its probably already been done
[12:18] <Ademan> it would essentially be an online request system
[12:18] <Ademan> hrm its 3 in the morning, time to knock off
[12:18] <Ademan> gnight all
[12:18] <Arkkis> Ademan, what do you mean? that users would be able to listen to mp3's on their hdd based on what's playing on a radiostation?
[12:19] <Arkkis> or do you mean that people could upload mp3's and then everyone could copy them from there and listen them?
[12:19] <|lostbyte|> huh
[12:19] <Arkkis> like p2p networks?
[12:19] <waylandbill> I think he means the user supplies the song temporarily then the radio discards it
[12:20] <elis> !compix
[12:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about compix - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:20] <elis> !compiz
[12:20] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:20] <rich0rd> join #joomla
[12:20] <rich0rd> uups hehe
[12:20] <intelikey> Ademan if i stoodunder him...  contributors would upload .ogg files that would then be streemed so anyone could listen   ?
[12:20] <Arkkis> advertising! :D
[12:21] <rich0rd> join #best-advertising.com
[12:21] <rich0rd> oops
[12:21] <Ademan> Arkkis: no one would copy, it would be a stream, which i assume COULD in theory be turned into a file that could be replayed, but streams are generally of lower quality, so who would want to
[12:21] <Ademan> and what i was talking about taking even further
[12:21] <intelikey> /
[12:21] <_Shade_> join #kubuntu ;)
[12:22] <intelikey> /
[12:22] <intelikey> /
[12:22] <Ademan> was the idea of taking that stream, and broadcasting it, like... you know.... radio waves... a normal radio station
[12:22] <|lostbyte|> huh..
[12:22] <Arkkis> copyright and big companies would try to tackle it tho
[12:22] <intelikey> or should we call a cop ?
[12:22] <waylandbill> umm.. an ice server's stream is the file itself.
[12:22] <Ademan> Arkkis: well plenty of sites offer audio stream (yahoo, lastfm) but then again they may have bought liscenses
[12:22] <Arkkis> dunno
[12:23] <Ademan> waylandbill: i see lol, regardless, it would be low enough quality i don't know how many people would actually try to use it
[12:23] <Ademan> either way
[12:23] <intelikey> tor it
[12:23] <Ademan> i said i was going to sleep, and my random ramblings are kinda off topic
[12:23] <Ademan> so gnight all
[12:23] <Arkkis> something that would work tho..
[12:24] <intelikey> did i say that... ooops
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> No body would listen to a stream with low quality..
[12:24] <Arkkis> ..create an webradio, and offer really easy and cheap way to buy the song in good quality mp3 when you hear it
[12:24] <|lostbyte|> A majority of them..
[12:24] <waylandbill> unless it was just talk.. :-D
[12:25] <Arkkis> like, if I hear a really good tune in a webradio, I may be willing to pay for it somewhat, I just do not want to go trough many forms to get it
[12:25] <intelikey> hehhe  don't do anything illeagle, i might have to investigate you.  and i have plenty to do as is.
[12:25] <|lostbyte|> Yes,
[12:25] <waylandbill> talk radio sounds awful regardless of the quality. ;-)
[12:25] <|lostbyte|> thats true, too sharp
[12:26] <intelikey> Arkkis not mp3 !
[12:26] <Arkkis> oh yeah, the freakin drm stuff
[12:26] <intelikey> .ogg
[12:26] <intelikey> !mp3
[12:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:26] <Glin|Jol> Winamp 5.24 paused
[12:26] <|lostbyte|> !daa
[12:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about daa - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:27] <Arkkis> intelikey, I appreciate ogg, but my mp3 players prefer mp3 (surprise)
[12:28] <intelikey> scrapt them and get real ones  hehhe
[12:30] <intelikey> you can always convert to mp3 after you get it.   but mp3 flash ... all that non-free crap can rot for all i care.  and if the rest of you would stop supporting non-free they would take the hint.
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[12:31] <intelikey> </very short rant>
[12:31] <waylandbill> I installed mp3 support but have not a clue why. I use ogg mostly.
[12:32] <waylandbill> don't have an mp3 player tho
[12:33] <intelikey> i do have the sound card plugged into the home system though.
[12:33] <intelikey> dual connectors  line in and line out.
[12:35] <intelikey> if i output line in   to line out feed back is like a star trek auto destruct thingy....  and i have to replace things....   not a good deal.
[12:36] <igi> anybody knows how to add local folder for tetex styles  which tetex can found?
[12:36] <Jucato> autodestruct sequence initiated
[12:37] <waylandbill> you now have 1 minute to reach minimum safe distance...
[12:37] <intelikey> ircdo mount -o remount /jucato/brain /dev/null
[12:38] <Arkkis> why does'nt kubuntu have as high quality wiki as gentoo seems to have? I mean, I've used gentoo before and switched to kubuntu this week, and finding good quality upto-date howto's seems harder
[12:38] <Jucato> lol
[12:38] <intelikey> problem solved.
[12:38] <Jucato> Arkkis: I was wondering that myself... and still wondering...
[12:38] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:39] <BazziR> maybe because ubuntu is newer(tm)
[12:39] <BazziR> and especially kubuntu is just as good supported as it is since the current version
[12:40] <intelikey> cause you lamers are not writing good high quality kubuntu howto's you are waiting for someone else to do it.
[12:40] <BazziR> lol
[12:40] <Arkkis> heh, kinda hard for me to write the howto's as I'm struggling to get my system to even work
[12:40] <vigilant_> :)
[12:40] <gogeta> ?
[12:41] <gogeta> thats not good
[12:41] <Jucato> intelikey: the problem is, not everyone can write a good howto, cause not everyone can experience/try out those stuff
[12:41] <waylandbill> I do enough compiling without the o/s to use gentoo, otherwise I wouldn't mind it.
[12:41] <Healot> technical writer for hire :0
[12:41] <Jucato> For example, I sure as hell can't write an ATI HowTo using an NVIDIA card. @_@
[12:41] <gogeta> i think my ati was probly the hardest of everything
[12:41] <BazziR> theres a good howto on the wiki about that, too ;-)
[12:42] <intelikey> oh,   well i'm not regestered.   so don't ask.
[12:42] <gogeta> couse thestock driver was broken for my card i had to install the latest
[12:42] <Arkkis> I'm thinking of re-installing my kubuntu and writing documentation of everything I do
[12:42] <Jucato> let's just face it. In the world of Ubuntu, the forums and IRC have superceded documentation as a form of support
[12:42] <BazziR> well ati drivers are broken per definition
[12:42] <Arkkis> every mistake and problem and stuff
[12:42] <gogeta> new ones work
[12:42] <igi> anybody knows how to add a local folder for tetex styles  which tetex can find?
[12:42] <waylandbill> Arkkis: more power to ya. if I did it, it'd probably be a junky log of commands.. hehe
[12:43] <Jucato> I do hope that the rumors are true, that ATI will open source its drivers... I would switch to ATI if they did...
[12:44] <BazziR> Jucato: switch to intel to get open source drivers ;)
[12:44] <gogeta> ati and amd are one and amd whats to
[12:44] <gogeta> its possable
[12:44] <Jucato> BazziR: does intel have non-IGP 3D hardware acclerated video cards?
[12:44] <adrian> hellow!!!!
[12:44] <gogeta> i dont think so
[12:45] <BazziR> Jucato: no
[12:45] <intelikey> hehhe if i documented what i do to a default install no one would dare try to follow it.     like editing fstab and adding nosuid to every line.    taring up the partition and moving to the disk (no partition table)   removing perl and pythan  even.
[12:45] <Jucato> BazziR: then no... I don't think I'm gonna get Intel
[12:45] <Jucato> :(
[12:45] <BazziR> hehe
[12:45] <gogeta> you buy a pc you got intel
[12:46] <gogeta> lol
[12:46] <Jucato> sorry, I got AMD :-D
[12:46] <intelikey> so no use me trying to write on.
[12:46] <gogeta> those igp cards are on abought every mobo
[12:46] <intelikey> one.
[12:46] <Jucato> my IGP card is a VIA
[12:46] <intelikey> ibm
[12:46] <gogeta> pukes
[12:47] <Jucato> ^_^
[12:47] <Xera> hi :)
[12:47] <Jucato> now if NVIDIA were to open source their drivers...
[12:47] <gogeta> ati used to do igp to
[12:47] <gogeta> and it wasent shared crap
[12:47] <waylandbill> had an onboard intel and added an nvidia. other desktop had an onboard ati.
[12:48] <gogeta> real igp
[12:48] <gogeta> they kinda phased those out thow
[12:48] <intelikey> what's igp ?
[12:48] <gogeta> intergrated graphics
[12:48] <Jucato> integrated graphics p_____
[12:48] <Jucato> i forgot what P stood for
[12:48] <gogeta> port
[12:48] <intelikey> snickers     :)
[12:48] <Jucato> basically an onboard video card
[12:48] <Jucato> thanks gogeta
[12:49] <gogeta> or was it prosser
[12:49] <Jucato> lol
[12:49] <gogeta> ack
[12:49] <intelikey> snickers again    :)
[12:49] <gogeta> to used to saying onbord crap replace it
[12:49] <gogeta> trhese days
[12:50] <gogeta> lol
[12:50] <Jucato> thank goodness for Konqueror's web shortcuts
[12:50] <intelikey> it's port
[12:50] <Jucato> Integrated Graphics Processor according to wiki
[12:50] <waylandbill> processor, not port
[12:50] <gogeta> see
[12:50] <gogeta> im dumb
[12:50] <gogeta> lol
[12:50] <intelikey> but like i said   what's  igp ?
[12:50] <Jucato> I was about to say Integrated Graphics Peripheral bwahahaha
[12:50] <waylandbill> it's referencing the chip itself.
[12:51] <Jucato> intelikey: IGP = onboard video card
[12:51] <gogeta> i have one ofthose relly bad intel jobs
[12:51] <gogeta> luckly i got a ati replacing that
[12:52] <gogeta> well not so lucky when im running linux
[12:52] <intelikey> jucato you are not catching that.....
[12:52] <intelikey> :)
[12:52] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:52] <gogeta> both cards failed
[12:52] <Jucato> ooh asimon's here
[12:52] <gogeta> got the ati working thow
[12:52] <gogeta> dri and all
[12:53] <asimon> Jucato: :-)
[12:53] <Xera> i installed a 'lamp' following the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP but when i goto localhost/phpinfo.php or localhost/index.php it asks me where do i want to save the file, anybody know how to fix this?
[12:53] <intelikey> and think you could have S3  of  voodoo   vidio7    hehhe  nvidia even.
[12:53] <gogeta> voodoo owned
[12:54] <gogeta> sucks they died
[12:54] <gogeta> 3dfx beat the crap out of both nivida and ati
[12:55] <intelikey> thought they were bought...
[12:55] <intelikey> doesn't matter.
[12:55] <gogeta> if rember the voodoo 5 was 128megs long befor any nivida or ati
[12:56] <gogeta> of course there rare hard to find and knothing would work on them
[12:56] <gogeta> the good old days of playing quake 3 with a voodo 3 runnig circles around everyone else
[12:57] <gogeta> lol
[12:57] <waylandbill> knothing.. that sounds like an app that doesn't do much. ;-)
[12:58] <gogeta> hey this is the usa if you cat beat them buy them and make them go away
[12:58] <gogeta> cant
[12:58] <gogeta> lol
[12:59] <tk> would anyone here have ever seen su errors from KDE? if I try and open apt to install stuff from the desktop system menu it wont let me login...
[12:59] <gogeta> aculy yea
[12:59] <gogeta> i have had that ap lockup
[12:59] <gogeta> app
[12:59] <gogeta> i just use text mode
[12:59] <tk> it happens everytime, i never make it to the actually app
[01:00] <tk> was afraid of that, I hate text mode for that program :P
[01:00] <gogeta> apt-get
[01:00] <gogeta> lol
[01:00] <waylandbill> I always use apt-get directly.
[01:00] <gogeta> but restarting x or killing the prosses normaly fixes it
[01:00] <gogeta> i think it was patched
[01:00] <gogeta> after i updated it seemed ok
[01:01] <igi> tk: try dpkg --configure
[01:01] <tk> needs atleast one package name arg
[01:02] <intelikey> m z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\
[01:02] <tk> i tried aptitude just to test it and it says, installed, but errors encountered
[01:02] <gogeta> outch
[01:02] <intelikey> z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\
[01:02] <intelikey> z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z\ z
[01:02] <intelikey> tk your problem may be you trying to use   'su'   rather than  'sudo'
[01:03] <intelikey> !root
[01:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:03] <gnomefreak> why isnt ~/.kde killing my kicker settings :(
[01:03] <Jucato> err...
[01:03] <gogeta> lol
[01:03] <asimon> gnomefreak: Why should it kill your settings?
[01:03] <intelikey> i yi yi yi yi....  that was ugly.
[01:03] <gogeta> blow up your own settings
[01:03] <gnomefreak> asimon: because i want it too and i thought that would be the way
[01:04] <tk> i know the difference between sudo and su, with desktop you have no option it does it for you... cmd line I Can do stuff with sudo, but desktop, it appears to be using su
[01:04] <asimon> gnomefreak: You mean by deleting the ~/.kde dir? Don't do it when you are logged in KDE, KDE rewrites the settings when logging out.
[01:05] <tk> error KDE: su ---- su returned with an error "OK"
[01:05] <tk> thats what I get
[01:05] <gogeta> and it should lol
[01:05] <gnomefreak> k i just deleted from gnome this time
[01:05] <gogeta> its disbaled
[01:05] <gogeta> if you whant root mode its sudo -s
[01:05] <Xera> can someone help me? :(
[01:05] <Xera> i installed a 'lamp' following the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP but when i goto localhost/phpinfo.php or localhost/index.php it asks me where do i want to save the file, anybody know how to fix this?
[01:05] <_Shade_> i cannot associate exe files with wine... any idea ?
[01:05] <intelikey> gnomefreak what did you do     rm -r ~/.kde   ?
[01:05] <gogeta> open with wine
[01:06] <gogeta> assuate it
[01:06] <gogeta> very easy
[01:06] <intelikey> tk kde uses  kdesu
[01:06] <_Shade_> gogeta: i did it and applied the changes
[01:06] <gogeta> should open them then
[01:07] <_Shade_> but it doesn't run the programs in wine anyway
[01:07] <gogeta> thats probly why
[01:07] <gogeta> its just crashing
[01:07] <tk> intelikey:  for some reason mine is trying to use SU (i just installed 32bit after finding out that 64bit flash is still a fantasy and it worked fine in 64bit
[01:07] <_Shade_> gogeta on every app ?
[01:07] <gogeta> try it from text and see if thats the case
[01:08] <tk> hmmm well whats the cmd line to just update all? thats what I was trying to do...
[01:08] <gogeta> oh
[01:08] <gogeta> apt-get update
[01:08] <gogeta> apt-get upgrade
[01:08] <tk> i thoght I tried that already
[01:08] <_Shade_> gogeta: it's ok from the console
[01:08] <gogeta> hummm
[01:09] <gogeta> make shure its assuated as default
[01:10] <tk> bah I typo'd when I tried earlier
[01:10] <gogeta> lol
[01:10] <tk> i guess i should up the font size so I can see what I'm typing better
[01:10] <asimon> Xera: Do you have libapache2-mod-php4 (for php4) or libapache2-mod-php5 (for PHP 5) installed?
[01:11] <waylandbill> tk: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:11] <gogeta> same effect
[01:11] <gogeta> lol
[01:11] <Xera> wtf lol, i got disconnected
[01:11] <intelikey> tk sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:11] <tk> i have another question, I've tried both Kubuntu and Ubuntu now, and Ubuntu recognized my bluetooth desktop items right away... Kubuntu sees them, but I have to fight with it to get them to work....
[01:11] <gogeta> lol
[01:11] <gogeta> hey no blowing up his system
[01:11] <gogeta> lol
[01:12] <tk> intelikey: already did update/upgrade
[01:12] <intelikey> plain upgrade omits core system files.
[01:12] <intelikey> dist-upgrade get's 'em all
[01:12] <waylandbill> gogeta: yeah same effect :-)
[01:12] <igi> anybody knows how to add a local folder for tetex styles?
[01:12] <gogeta> i knoe what dist does
[01:12] <gogeta> lol
[01:12] <intelikey> dist-upgrade.
[01:12] <intelikey> dist-upgrade.
[01:12] <gogeta> nice way to reinstall
[01:12] <Xera> asimon: i also tried uninstalling it, but it didnt remove anything -.-
[01:12] <intelikey> dist-upgrade.
[01:12] <intelikey> dist-upgrade.
[01:13] <gogeta> lol
[01:13] <tk> hopefully the GUI version works after this
[01:13] <tk> or a reboot
[01:13] <gogeta> upgrade includes the kernel and crap
[01:13] <gogeta> he doesent need to dist
[01:13] <gogeta> lol
[01:13] <intelikey> always.
[01:13] <gogeta> never
[01:14] <asimon> Xera: No need to uninstall it. Do you have libapache2-mod-php5 (or ...php4) installed?
[01:14] <gogeta> blew up my ystem way to many time with that
[01:14] <Xera> asimon: yes
[01:14] <asimon> Xera: Did you already restart the apache server?
[01:14] <gogeta> i leave the core files alone
[01:14] <Xera> asimon: yes
[01:14] <tk> any ideas ont he bluetooth stuff?
[01:15] <intelikey> gogeta i challange you.    run the command   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade      if you think your system is up to date.     you don't have to say yes when it asks.
[01:15] <gogeta> you only dist when upgrading to a neweer version of linux
[01:15] <intelikey> just look at all it will update.
[01:16] <asimon> Xera: Ok, then I dunno why it's not working, my knowledge about lamp is rather limited.
[01:16] <intelikey> nope.
[01:16] <gogeta> 0
[01:16] <elias__> Is it enough to add the backports archive or do I have to set priority in the preferences file for each package like this is done in debian?
[01:16] <Arkkis> what are the varrun, varlock, udev, devshm and tmpfs mounts that I see on df -h ??
[01:16] <gogeta> told ya its not nessary
[01:16] <Xera> is there a way to completely remove all the stuff sudo apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server did?
[01:17] <gogeta> all up2date
[01:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[01:17] <dhq> in a video the sound plays 2 sec before the video i use mplayer what do i do
[01:17] <gogeta> change the audo delay
[01:17] <gogeta> turn on its buffers
[01:18] <gogeta> thers lots you can do
[01:18] <intelikey> you didn't even run it.
[01:18] <intelikey> :/
[01:18] <gogeta> i did so
[01:18] <poundex> Hi all
[01:18] <Xera> hi :)
[01:19] <poundex> How do you remove a package without removing all the packages that are dependant on it?
[01:19] <dhq> in a video the sound plays 2 sec before the video i use mplayer what do i do  please help
[01:19] <Xera> you can't.
[01:19] <gogeta> happy
[01:19] <poundex> at all?
[01:19] <Xera> nope
[01:19] <tk> dhq:  are you even reading what other people are saying?
[01:19] <tk> typing... whatever
[01:20] <gogeta> dhq go to the audio settings thers abought 5 ways to correct it
[01:20] <intelikey> k not usual but yeah.
[01:20] <poundex> It's just i've compiled the latest version of GLib because there wasn't a package for it, and i need to remove the old one
[01:21] <intelikey> so gogeta now your 'fear' of adding dist-  should be aleaveted  :)
[01:21] <gogeta> lol
[01:21] <gogeta> just showing you i dont need to use it
[01:21] <gogeta> proved my point
[01:22] <asimon> Xera: There is no convenient way to do so. You could look at /var/log/dpkg.log to see what packages were installed and remove them all. I recommend to use 'aptitude install' next time instead of 'apt-get install', it keeps track of the installed dependencies and can remove them again.
[01:22] <intelikey> and i'm left wondering if adept uses dist- when it auto-updates.
[01:22] <gogeta> you dont wanna go messing with the core
[01:22] <gogeta> maybe it does
[01:22] <Xera> asimon: ok, i may aswell just reinstall kubuntu ;)
[01:22] <gogeta> i did use that
[01:22] <waylandbill> asimon: didn't know aptitude did that. good tip.. learned something new
[01:23] <gogeta> then im a fool lol
[01:23] <asimon> Xera: looking at the log file and removing those packages is faster. ;-)
[01:23] <asimon> waylandbill: I learned it here as well. ;-)
[01:23] <gogeta> i just use deborphan
[01:23] <intelikey> proved mine also.   but hasn't explained why yours is upto date  when apt-get update does skip some packages.
[01:23] <intelikey> unless adept uses dist-
[01:24] <gogeta> cleans all old crap out
[01:24] <gogeta> but it is known to mastake packages so you need to knoe what your doing
[01:25] <intelikey> actually shows the orphaned libs
[01:25] <asimon> gogeta: I never tried deborphan, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to run it on my system. I have a lot of old cruft installed.
[01:25] <tk> yay, Adept works now
[01:25] <gogeta> heh
[01:26] <gogeta> thers a apt command with orphan that removes them as well
[01:26] <gogeta> sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan
[01:27] <gogeta> "
[01:27] <gogeta> clears all orphand stuff
[01:27] <tk> now to figure out how i got bluetooth working last time
[01:27] <intelikey> debfoster is handy
[01:28] <gogeta> havent tryed that
[01:28] <BluesKaj> anyone know the secrets behind removing Wine...tried all the normal stuff ,uninstalling thru synaptic, rm the /usr/bin file, but it just won't go away
[01:28] <gogeta> what that do
[01:28] <gogeta> if its from source?
[01:28] <gogeta> make uninstall
[01:28] <intelikey> i don't think so.   it clears one layer.  you should run it in a loop untill it has gotten them all.
[01:28] <BluesKaj> source?
[01:28] <gogeta> yea
[01:29] <gogeta> i run it a few times
[01:29] <BluesKaj> what is source?
[01:29] <gogeta>  untill its 0s
[01:29] <intelikey> many libs depend on libs that depend on libs
[01:29] <gogeta> lol
[01:29] <gogeta> well if you dont knoe source then
[01:29] <gogeta> its probly not compiled
[01:30] <intelikey> lagging really stinks.
[01:30] <gogeta> apt-get remove wine
[01:30] <BluesKaj> laff if you want but I don't know what you mean ? it has nero and winzip installed on it
[01:30] <tk> nero runs under wine?
[01:30] <tk> thats interesting to know
[01:30] <BluesKaj> apt-get doesn't do anything
[01:30] <gogeta> nero is for linux
[01:31] <gogeta> sudo apt-get remove wine
[01:31] <gogeta> lol
[01:31] <intelikey> BluesKaj what do you mean "just won't go away" ?
[01:31] <BluesKaj> no tk, unfortunately not, missing dlls
[01:31] <gogeta> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[01:31] <syklops> gogeta: do dpkg -l
[01:31] <BluesKaj> tried all the normal stuff ,uninstalling thru synaptic, rm the /usr/bin file
[01:31] <syklops> to list your installed package
[01:32] <gogeta> no need for wine and nero
[01:32] <gogeta> its nativ
[01:32] <intelikey> explain ?
[01:32] <dhq> gogeta: nero still has a lot of bugs rite now for kubuntu
[01:32] <syklops> then do dpkg -r "package name"
[01:33] <intelikey> so if it's not installed BluesKaj what's the issue ?
[01:33] <waylandbill> I've never had a problem with k3b to need nero
[01:33] <gogeta> me nyther
[01:33] <gogeta> but i like it
[01:33] <gogeta> lol
[01:33] <gogeta> runs for me
[01:33] <intelikey> have file types associated with wine and that's what's bugging you or what ?
[01:33] <gogeta> burned a dvd just fine
[01:34] <dhq> i love k3b its better than anything
[01:34] <gogeta> yea but it doesne auto nooktype
[01:34] <gogeta> booktype
[01:34] <gogeta> nero does
[01:34] <BluesKaj> yeah I have it listed under debian in the k-menu , dunno how that happened :P
[01:34] <waylandbill> can't go wrong with a welding penguin. :-D
[01:34] <MistaED> k3b fails on me sometimes, really sucks when someone is over and they see k3b fail :(
[01:35] <gogeta> lol
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> im installing kubuntu on HP NX6125
[01:35] <MistaED> isos are fine, just when making your own cd's it goes
[01:35] <gogeta> at least you only had a app
[01:35] <waylandbill> and they are happy when windows fails. lol
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> i formatted and all and it started copying the files
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> now its stuck
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> the touchpad works
[01:35] <gogeta> someone over my windows box cought maileware
[01:35] <gogeta> fucked it up bad
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> the mouse pointer moves, but that's all.. and the time keeps updating, but nothing else works
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> i can't even shut it down
[01:35] <gogeta> but it wasent all bad
[01:35] <floyd_n_milan> what do i do?
[01:36] <gogeta> he got to see me boot nto linux and annlite it
[01:36] <igi> anybody knows how to add a local folder for tetex styles?
[01:36] <intelikey> BluesKaj sudo update-menus  ?
[01:36] <BluesKaj> it is installed
[01:36] <gogeta> floyd is x frozen?
[01:36] <tk> intelikey: wouldnt going into menu editor and just saving, force it to realize wine wasnt there anymore and delete it/
[01:37] <floyd_n_milan> gogeta, well the keyboard doesn't work, i tried to switch to the console, tried to kill X, nothing works, just the mouse pointer moves and the time keeps updating
[01:37] <floyd_n_milan> i can't even shut it down
[01:37] <gogeta> wtf you do
[01:37] <gogeta> saound like the keybord failed
[01:38] <gogeta> well worse case shutdown hard
[01:38] <floyd_n_milan> how do i shutdown hard?
[01:38] <gogeta> hold your power buttion
[01:38] <intelikey> floyd_n_milan  [SysRQ] +[alt] +r   then  try.
[01:38] <floyd_n_milan> doesn't work
[01:38] <crazy_penguin> Good day all! :)
[01:38] <floyd_n_milan> even tried the sysrq
[01:38] <gogeta> his keybord isnt working
[01:38] <waylandbill> one finger salute
[01:38] <tk> floyd_n_milan: : hold it down for 60 seconds :P
[01:38] <floyd_n_milan> oh
[01:38] <gogeta> or pull the plug
[01:39] <gogeta> lol
[01:39] <tk> gogeta: its a laptop didnt he say? pulling batteries isnt a good way to shut em down....
[01:39] <floyd_n_milan> ok that i didn't know
[01:39] <floyd_n_milan> the 60 second thing
[01:39] <gogeta> yea
[01:39] <waylandbill> floyd_n_milan: 4 seconds.
[01:39] <floyd_n_milan> i didn't pull the batteries
[01:39] <gogeta> holding power = hard shutdown
[01:39] <intelikey>  [SysRQ] +[alt] +r   [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]     and give it the three fingured salute.
[01:39] <nnn0> 4 seconds should do
[01:40] <tk> floyd_n_milan: new computers and laptops all use software controlled power supplies which prevent users from accidently powering them down by bumping the power switch... you can usually make them work that way... but its better ot just leave them with the delayed power off
[01:40] <vigilant_> How do i burn cds in kubuntu?
[01:40] <floyd_n_milan> hmmm
[01:40] <vigilant_> I got mp3 files I want onto a cd :)
[01:40] <floyd_n_milan> ok im going to try and reinstall
[01:40] <vigilant_> audio cd
[01:40] <floyd_n_milan> i wonder what went wrong though
[01:40] <waylandbill> k3b
[01:41] <floyd_n_milan> the installer hung on copying files at 22%
[01:41] <vigilant_> k3b?
[01:41] <tk> floyd_n_milan: thats one of the big differences from the old AT style power supplies and the new ATX (for desktops)
[01:41] <gogeta> after you reboot it might unlock
[01:41] <floyd_n_milan> tk, yeah
[01:41] <waylandbill> vigilant_: that burns CDs
[01:41] <floyd_n_milan> hmm
[01:41] <vigilant_> waylandbill: thanx:)
[01:41] <vigilant_> waylandbill: I need to get it from adept rite?
[01:41] <gogeta> you installing
[01:41] <gogeta> ?
[01:41] <gogeta> the installer froze?
[01:41] <waylandbill> should be in the K menu in multimedia
[01:42] <waylandbill> if not, then you'll have to, yes.
[01:42] <vigilant_> I see it:)
[01:42] <vigilant_> thanx
[01:42] <vigilant_> kubuntu rox
[01:42] <intelikey> if i have one that balks on me i'll pull the plug.   that shuts em down...   hehhe
[01:43] <vigilant_> and the support rox too
[01:43] <gogeta> lol
[01:43] <gogeta> unless its a laptop
[01:43] <intelikey> laptop one can drop the battery....
[01:43] <gogeta> lol
[01:43] <gogeta> yes goos old battery yank
[01:43] <gogeta> works great on old macs
[01:44] <gogeta> those fuckers relly whont shutdown
[01:44] <gogeta> lol
[01:44] <waylandbill> vigilant_: darn right LOL!
[01:44] <intelikey> gogeta and i'm lagging so bad i just now saw your reply  but typed the answer 30 seconds ago   hehhe
[01:45] <gogeta> lol
[01:45] <gogeta> bei9ng hes not respanding i think he managed to power down
[01:45] <intelikey> more like a minute by the time you read that...
[01:45] <waylandbill> intelikey: bad dialup, awful satellite or in the outback?
[01:45] <floyd_n_milan> i'll brb
[01:46] <floyd_n_milan> thanks for your help
[01:46] <gogeta> i love this
[01:46] <waylandbill> intelikey: or 50 torrents running in the background.. lol
[01:46] <gogeta> ill reinstall something whent wrong
[01:47] <intelikey> out back of middle america.   bad dialup and dl of 90m going on.
[01:47] <intelikey> hey BluesKaj :)
[01:47] <BluesKaj> intelikey,Received CTCP-PING reply from intelikey: 37 seconds
[01:47] <gogeta> we need to add this line to the installer
[01:47] <gogeta> this is not windows reinstalling doesent help
[01:47] <gogeta> ;p;
[01:47] <tk> lol
[01:48] <gogeta> but tat might scare new people away
[01:48] <BluesKaj> wow , why the lag , we're on  the same continent
[01:48] <waylandbill> implying that reinstalling windows ever helps?!?
[01:48] <gogeta> windows users think so
[01:48] <tk> same continent physically means nothing to the internet :P
[01:48] <waylandbill> all that does is put windows back in.. lol
[01:48] <intelikey> gogeta but they all seem to think it will   lol
[01:49] <BluesKaj> think I'll just dump debian from the k-menu
[01:49] <gogeta> lol
[01:49] <gogeta> you seen the system regs for vista
[01:49] <tk> 55 secs intelikey
[01:49] <BluesKaj> it'll jus be hidden and it won't bug me any more
[01:49] <gogeta> what a joke
[01:49] <intelikey> tk BluesKaj told you.... what you don't beleave ?
[01:50] <BluesKaj> intelikey, told me ?
[01:50] <gogeta> welcome to bloted and slow windows
[01:50] <BluesKaj> what ?
[01:50] <gogeta> fuck you your installing it anyways
[01:50] <gogeta> lol
[01:50] <intelikey> tk yeah my lag meter is right there.
[01:51] <gogeta> now thats a windows installer
[01:51] <gogeta> im so making a video
[01:51] <intelikey> BluesKaj you told tk   ^   about my lag.   then he pingd.
[01:51] <gogeta> a real windows installer
[01:51] <tk> hmmm why does ./cofigure tell me there is no compilers... maybe kubuntu doesnt ship with em?
[01:52] <gogeta> it doesent
[01:52] <waylandbill> tk, get buildessentials
[01:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , that's why I did cuz I know yer somewhere in the sw usa
[01:52] <gogeta> hes probly on aol
[01:52] <tk> that rings abell :P I knew I had installed it last time, my memory sucks on weeks with horrible nights of sleep
[01:52] <BluesKaj> hehe
[01:52] <gogeta> hahaha
[01:52] <waylandbill> :)
[01:52] <intelikey> with lag like this i could be off world and yall would never know....
[01:53] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:53] <intelikey> !b-e > tk
[01:53] <waylandbill> tk, you may want 'checkinstall' as well.
[01:53] <tk> I really hate that bot
[01:54] <BluesKaj> ca=canada,(ontario)
[01:54] <intelikey> BluesKaj cheeter.  you noticed the southern drawl
[01:55] <tk> waylandbill: is that in the regular packages or the multiverse cause I'm not seeing that one
[01:55] <gogeta> the good old source to binary
[01:55] <intelikey> that blows my cover.
[01:55] <waylandbill> universe
[01:55] <BluesKaj> intelikey, I chat with some guys down in ariz , texas , so I recognize the isp
[01:56] <gogeta> your isp suck
[01:56] <gogeta> lol
[01:56] <tk> you mean the houston*.tx didnt tip you off? :P
[01:56] <tk> qwest.net is everywhere
[01:57] <BluesKaj> you could be behind a fake , but i wouldn't know it
[01:57] <intelikey> not like it says huston in it or anything...  hehhe
[01:57] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:57] <intelikey> yeah what tk said.
[01:57] <BluesKaj> some guys aren't proud of their location
[01:58] <intelikey> but for the record i'm not in texas.   not that it matters.
[01:58] <waylandbill> tk, If i need to install something from source, I almost always use checkinstall
[01:58] <BluesKaj> spoke with a guy from india but he insisted he was in uk
[01:58] <waylandbill> in case I want to later get it removed.
[01:58] <intelikey> and i don't have to spoof the thing nor notten
[01:58] <tk> waylandbill: alright, I'll have to check that out, gotta find the path to universe again, I hate reinstalling :P
[01:59] <waylandbill> tk, reinstalling sux
[01:59] <BluesKaj> yer not i texas ... so where are you ?
[01:59] <evert> Hello all , i'm new to kubuntu and linux , and i'm having a little problem with installing wengophone ....
[01:59] <evert> i downloaded the .deb file
[01:59] <intelikey> BluesKaj not ashamed of where i am.  just none of anyones business
[01:59] <tk> waylandbill: yah... all because I didnt check to see if 64bit flash was out yet
[01:59] <evert> but he says i'm missing libssl0.9.7 , but i have installed the 0.9.8
[01:59] <evert> so how can i downgrade that package ?
[01:59] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey, I respect yer privacy
[02:00] <waylandbill> tk, it isn't... ;-)  hindsight is awesome. lol
[02:00] <intelikey> tk you just add universe to the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <Ace2007> Hi again
[02:01] <intelikey> you don't need to find the path to anything.
[02:01] <waylandbill> I'm from wayland. stop and say hi if you're ever in town (highly unlikely) lol
[02:01] <tk> intelikey: just have to add the word universe to it? I thought it was a path that it required?
[02:01] <intelikey> !flash
[02:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:01] <evert> Somebody who can help me with my problem ?
[02:02] <intelikey> lag goes to 52 highest i've seen it yet.
[02:02] <tk> evert: uninstall and install the older one? thats the obvious solution
[02:02] <tk> hmm zlib needed... yet I have it installed
[02:02] <evert> ok , i hope there are no other packages that require the newer version ... let's hope
[02:02] <intelikey> tk just add the word to the line that ends   main restricted
[02:03] <gogeta> javascript:OpenPortalContentWin(4182, 400, 550, '4182_Win_9_T_Hate.swf', 'Windows-9-T-hate', 0);
[02:03] <gogeta> lol
[02:03] <gogeta> oops
[02:03] <waylandbill> tk, the do an update to apt.
[02:03] <waylandbill> s/the/then/
[02:03] <intelikey> do sudo apt-get update    and you are in like flin.
[02:03] <gogeta> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/4182
[02:03] <crono> y
[02:03] <gogeta> there you go
[02:04] <Ace2007> Bye all :)
[02:05] <BluesKaj> ok, I deleted debian and wine from the k-menu ...now it won't bug me anymore :)
[02:05] <intelikey> ha ha now you irc'rs my lag will go from 65 to 1  and i'll answer a question.
[02:05] <intelikey> come on give me a question
[02:05] <intelikey> :)
[02:06] <tk> intelikey: oddly enough, thats almost every uncommented line, but I see there is actually a comment block about universe int here already
[02:06] <BluesKaj> intelikey, gonna ping, [CTCP]  Received CTCP-PING reply from intelikey: 1 second
[02:06] <intelikey> :)
[02:06] <intelikey> tolll ya
[02:06] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[02:06] <evert> does somebody uses the wengo program ?
[02:07] <intelikey> tk it could be multiverse you want
[02:07] <intelikey> what are you looking for ?
[02:07] <r000t> anyone here know where the forcedeth-driver is when you "make menuconfig" ????
[02:07] <tk> the checkinstall that waylandbill mentioned
[02:07] <waylandbill> checkinstall. It in universe
[02:07] <intelikey> hmm
[02:07] <BluesKaj> How does one uncomment a source ?
[02:08] <intelikey> checkinstall - installation tracker
[02:08] <BluesKaj> just enable it ?
[02:08] <intelikey> !info checkinstall
[02:08] <ubotu> checkinstall: installation tracker. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.5.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 132 kB
[02:08] <intelikey> it's in universe
[02:08] <tk> yah, i got it now
[02:09] <tk> i wish i knew what made my keyboard work with my last install... it just started working more or less after poking around
[02:10] <intelikey> what kind of kbd ?
[02:10] <tk> bluetooth
[02:10] <intelikey> hmmmm
[02:10] <tk> in ubuntu it worked with nothing done... in kubuntu my mouse wont even work out the box
[02:10] <intelikey>  . /etc/bash_completion
[02:10] <intelikey> modprobe blue[tab] 
[02:11] <intelikey> what kind of mouse ?
[02:11] <tk> bluetooth as well
[02:11] <intelikey> bluetooth ?
[02:11] <intelikey> figures
[02:11] <tk> i have the logitech dinova desktop
[02:11] <hkallinikos> hello ppl
[02:12] <hkallinikos> i need some help on configuring adept to work over the proxy,anyone can help?
[02:12] <intelikey> well i'd check for a module that way ^  and see what came up    if you hit paydirt you can add the module name to /etc/modules
[02:13] <tk> well i can see the mouse, kubuntu installed the hub, it just wont let me access the devices to use em
[02:13] <intelikey> hkallinikos network illiterate here.  maybe someone knows proxies
[02:13] <intelikey> tk lsmod | grep blue
[02:14] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: set the http_proxy variable
[02:14] <intelikey> that show anything ?
[02:14] <tk> bluetooth              49892  15 rfcomm,l2cap,hci_usb
[02:14] <hkallinikos> i have it seted,the problem is that the Isa Sever needs authorisation,i also set the username and password but nothing happens
[02:14] <intelikey> k it is modprobed...   if it was usb i'd say unglug and replug  but i don't know about a bluetooth
[02:15] <intelikey> i've never had any exp with blueteeth
[02:15] <tk> hmmm you know... I did unplug it with the 64bit install, and I bet thats when it started working...
[02:15] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: you did that in the system settings, connections, proxy?
[02:16] <intelikey> test it'
[02:16] <intelikey> even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then....
[02:16] <intelikey> krunch krunch.
[02:16] <waylandbill> lol
[02:16] <hkallinikos> yes i also did it there,as i saw in a post the adept is not taking the proxy settings from the KDE but from apt,i also declared the proxy,username and password there but still getting same messege
[02:17] <intelikey> XeXo2 you have the roll-your-own  linux now ?
[02:17] <tk> waddya know... intelikey you were right, I cant believe I didnt think to try that earlier
[02:17] <hkallinikos> the messege for all the repositories,as it tries to connect is this :407 Proxy Authentication Required ( The ISA Server requires authorization to fulfill the request. Access to the Web Proxy service is denied.  )
[02:17] <tk> ljljtlerjtlerjltejrlkt --- keyboard working :D
[02:18] <tk> 86+53+53
[02:18] <intelikey> XeXo2 it will   or does.    gentoo will run kde and kde will run gentoo     hehhe play on names.
[02:18] <tk> woops, didnt mean to hit enter on my number pad
[02:18] <intelikey> tk like i said "even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then...."
[02:19] <BluesKaj> !sources list
[02:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about sources list - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:19] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: in the proxy, did you try putting http://user:pass@proxy_url:port
[02:19] <BluesKaj> !sources
[02:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:19] <intelikey> !repos > BluesKaj
[02:20] <hkallinikos> yes it is configured right there,i can browse without asking me for passwords
[02:20] <intelikey> !ubotu > ubotu
[02:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about > ubotu - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:20] <intelikey> :)
[02:20] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: look at the comments of this blog post: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:8Cb9k4eNi98J:www.shabdar.ws/content/view/23/27/+adept+proxy+kubuntu+apt&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
[02:21] <intelikey> !b-e > ubotu
[02:21] <intelikey> waylandbill ever hear of tinyurl.com ?
[02:21] <tk> lol
[02:22] <waylandbill> yeah. my fault.. was in a hurry. :-O
[02:22] <hkallinikos> waylandbill: i have seen this yes,when i type echo $http_proxy it returns me this http://hkallinikos:CHANGEDl@10.0.0.34:8080/
[02:22] <hkallinikos> excactly as i have it declared
[02:22] <baskew> ..sorry just felt i had to share
[02:22] <waylandbill> hkallinikos: not the blog post.. the comments on the apt configuration.
[02:23] <intelikey> baskew i hate it.   so i guess amarok is breaking even for now  lol
[02:23] <tk> intelikey: which player do you prefer?
[02:23] <intelikey> sox
[02:23] <baskew> lol, well i just had it working with my ipod, so i got excited
[02:23] <intelikey> vlx for vidio
[02:23] <intelikey> vlc
[02:24] <intelikey> baskew yeah, didn't mean to let the wind out of your sail.   nor nothen' like that.
[02:24] <baskew> intelikey: no worries
[02:24] <intelikey> just being typative is all
[02:26] <tk> heh
[02:28] <intelikey> well nothing going on in here for now.  i'm gunna slip on off and break something maybe.
[02:28] <baskew> OT: really more so than loving amarok, i love that i can attach the ipod to my linux box and copy all the tracks off of it very easily since you cannot do that in itunes
[02:28] <waylandbill> intelikey: break something? you'll be back later then... lol
[02:29] <intelikey> waylandbill when i get it fixed prolly.
[02:30] <dad> How do I get hybernation working (Kubuntu 6.06)
[02:30] <intelikey> unless you know of a way to boot /dev/hdb  from grub ?      or can install grub from a system with / == /dev/hdb   maybe ?       or can think of a way to use pppd as a user on a nosuid system even ?
[02:31] <waylandbill> hmmm.. get-rich-fast.credit-card-masters.com <- don't think I'll be going there.
[02:31] <tk> baskew: ephPod for windows would let you that very nicely ;)
[02:31] <intelikey> cause the questions i ask get one answer form this channel  "idk"   :)
[02:32] <intelikey> !hybernate
[02:32] <ubotu> I know nothing about hybernate - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:32] <intelikey> !suspend
[02:32] <ubotu> I know nothing about suspend - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:33] <waylandbill> ubotu never shuts down.. how would it know of those terms. :-P
[02:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about never shuts down.. how would it know of those terms. :-P - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:33] <intelikey> there was a factoid on that....  i can't help ya with it.  i've never tried it.      maybe that is what i'll break/fix ....
[02:33] <BluesKaj> that factoids page is hard to read  for us old folks
[02:33] <waylandbill> oops.. didn't know it listened that close.
[02:34] <BluesKaj> the colors suck!
[02:34] <intelikey> yeah first word ! or ubotu  it notices.
[02:34] <intelikey>     !this
[02:34] <intelikey> gets by but
[02:34] <intelikey> !this doesnt
[02:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about this doesnt - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:35] <intelikey> ok i'm went.
[02:38] <evert> Hmm strange thing that wengophone
[02:38] <evert> when i download the version , with chat included, and install it i only get the 'voip' client
[02:42] <BluesKaj> ok you experts , can anyone recommend some other kubuntu sources that won't break the system but give access to newer pkges ?
[02:43] <tk> BluesKaj: what breaks kubuntu for you?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> dunno tk, just read the warning on the official sources page , that's all
[02:45] <BluesKaj> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:49] <tk> ohh
[02:49] <tk> I use universe/multiverse and havent had a problem before
[02:50] <Anon3837> test
[02:50] <ninHer> aloha all
[02:50] <abloylas> test
[02:51] <BluesKaj> tk, where are those sources ..same place ?
[02:51] <evert> I'm having a strange problem , In my package manager (adept) i enabled universe and multiverse , i did an update ... but i still can't find the package libxine-extra (for the extra codecs)
[02:51] <floyd_n_milan> ok that went well, its now installed and working fine
[02:52] <floyd_n_milan> i guess the cd from which i was installing was corrupt
[02:52] <tk> congrats floyd_n_milan
[02:52] <floyd_n_milan> so now i need to stop lvm, evms etc from starting at boot..
[02:52] <tk> hopefully you wont have the problems I had :P
[02:52] <floyd_n_milan> tk, thanks
[02:52] <floyd_n_milan> tk, what problems?
[02:52] <tk> adept wouldnt run at first, I had to update/upgrade from cmd line to get it to work
[02:53] <floyd_n_milan> hmmm
[02:53] <floyd_n_milan> where's all the documentation?
[02:54] <evert> Nobody who can help me ?
[02:54] <abattoir> evert: make sure you have enabled it in 'dapper' rather than 'dapper-backports'
[02:55] <evert> what do you mean with that ?
[02:55] <tk> floyd_n_milan: : no idea... I just happen to remember enough to get by, and what I cant remember/google, the people here are rather friendly about helping to steer someone in the right direction
[02:56] <abattoir> evert: see if the entry under 'distribution', for the line where you enabled universe/multiverse says dapper, rather than dapper-backports
[02:56] <abattoir> evert: btw, its libxine-extracodecs :)
[02:57] <evert> oeps , it's backports
[02:57] <evert> how can i fix that ?
[02:57] <floyd_n_milan> whoa!
[02:57] <floyd_n_milan> XGL and Compiz works on this laptop
[02:57] <floyd_n_milan> yaay!
[02:57] <floyd_n_milan> great great now i just need the documentation :D
[02:57] <tk> XGL?
[02:57] <abattoir> evert: do it the same way you did for adding it to 'dapper-backports'
[02:58] <evert> That dapper packports where just commented out ...
[02:58] <floyd_n_milan> yeah XGL..
[02:58] <tk> ohh due, the openGL port
[02:58] <tk> duh rather
[02:59] <djclue917> evert: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20070
[02:59] <Xera> hi
[03:00] <Xera> when i do sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list i get http://pastebin.se/3385
[03:00] <Xera> does anybody know w
[03:00] <Xera> what to do*
[03:00] <Xera> :P
[03:01] <djclue917> Xera: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:01] <floyd_n_milan> ok so now i gotta get that laptop onto the internet.. hmm
[03:01] <djclue917> Xera: use kdesu instead of sudo
[03:01] <tk> xera: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.lsit and use vi instead of kate? :P
[03:01] <tk> hmm sudo works for me...
[03:01] <evert> thx for that file djclue917 , i just paste it in my sources.list :)
[03:01] <Xera> tk: i have no idea how to use vi
[03:02] <evert> nano is really easy to use ;)
[03:02] <djclue917> evert: no prob. BTW, you should be better off modifying the sources.list via an editor. Don't rely on Adept too much. ;-)
[03:03] <tk> xera: its easy once you use it a bit, goto the line you want to edit, hit "I" to insert, or "E" to edit
[03:03] <tk> xera: make your changes, then hit ESC
[03:03] <Xera> ok
[03:03] <tk> xera: once your done changing the file, hit ":wq" and it will write and exit
[03:03] <abloylas> do you guys know of a repository for the NVU update Kompozer?
[03:03] <evert> Yeah , i see .. but i didn't know the things i had to put in my sources.list
[03:04] <evert> this is not healthy for my download limit :( , i'm downloading to much ... amarok , codecs , wengo , ....
[03:04] <djclue917> evert: did you do an upgrade?
[03:05] <evert> upgrade of what ?
[03:05] <djclue917> evert: you said you're downloading amarok.
[03:05] <djclue917> evert: amarok is installed by default.
[03:05] <evert> upgrade from windows to kubuntu lol , i have tried ubuntu more then once , but i never kept it .. Now i'm going to delete windows :) I just did an update of amarok
[03:06] <djclue917> evert: ah ok. are you using KDE 3.5.4? if not then KDE will be upgraded also if you do a "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:06] <evert> how can i see wich version of kde i'm using ?
[03:07] <tk> it appears xera was able to figure out VI :)
[03:07] <djclue917> evert: open any KDE app. Help -> About KDE
[03:07] <evert> 3.5.2
[03:07] <evert> i'll do a apt-get upgrade :)
[03:09] <evert> again 48Mb download :(
[03:09] <tk> evert: worried about diskspace?
[03:10] <evert> Where is the kde search bar in the kde menu ? I have had it in Suse/kubuntu in the past .. hmm strange
[03:10] <evert> no i'm worried about my download limit of this month
[03:10] <Jucato> evert: it's a SUSE only thing, I think...
[03:10] <tk> ewww, download limits :(
[03:11] <tk> :D rather
[03:11] <Jucato> or a 3rd party plugin/applet for Kicker called "Tasty Menu" (check KDE-Look.org)
[03:11] <evert> it was just to search in your apps that are installed
[03:11] <evert> i found it nice :)
[03:11] <evert> now is vista ripping it of lol :D
[03:14] <evert> I have to go (to the library, hoping to get a book about linux :) )
[03:14] <evert> cya later
[03:14] <evert> thx for helping me :)
[03:14] <Jucato> evert: bye!
[03:15] <tk> hmmm
[03:15] <Jonathan-> How do I get a dosemu with X support enabled?
[03:15] <tk> now why wont amarok use my newly compiled Xine stuff
[03:15] <ThAixStYLe> hello folks
[03:15] <ThAixStYLe> anyone available for a little help?
[03:16] <ThAixStYLe> ubuntu noobie here...
[03:16] <XeXo2> The gentoo docs are scaring the life out of me, i'm going back to kubuntu
[03:16] <dr_willis> Jonathan-,  ya may want to test out 'dosbox' - i found it had better  dos support for some programs.
[03:16] <ThAixStYLe> well...i guess i'll just spit it out:
[03:16] <dr_willis> I often use the gentoo docs as  Information to do things in Ubuntu. :P
[03:16] <dr_willis> !ask
[03:16] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:16] <Jonathan-> dr_willis: No, I need the performance
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> Installing ubuntu for the first time and setting up a dual boot windows/ubuntu
[03:17] <dr_willis> Jonathan-,  thats a scary thought. :P
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> but...
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> i wanted to use the NTLDR instead of just GRUB
[03:17] <Jonathan-> dr_willis: I once tried dosbox, and it was awful how slow it was
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> so i installed windows, then installed ubuntu
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> windows on the first partition
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> and ubuntu spanning 3 partitions...
[03:17] <dr_willis> i found it faster for my games  Jonathan-  guess it depends on the programs.
[03:17] <ThAixStYLe> one for swap, one for boot, and one root
[03:18] <dr_willis> ThAixStYLe,  eww.  I think learning to use GRUB is a much better idea.
[03:18] <ThAixStYLe> restarted and everything works fine
[03:18] <ThAixStYLe> but
[03:18] <Jonathan-> dr_willis: Ok, Ill try it again, but I don't get it why didn't they put in X support when they made the dosemu package
[03:19] <ThAixStYLe> then i outputted a file called ubuntu.bin
[03:19] <dr_willis> Jonathan-,  havent noticed. i got my games setup wth scripts to use dosbox.  wil try next time i am on my main machine. Could be theres a dosemu X package
[03:19] <ThAixStYLe> with the boot data from my boot partition
[03:19] <ThAixStYLe> and added it to the boot.ini file
[03:19] <ThAixStYLe> so far so good...
[03:20] <ThAixStYLe> then i fixed my mbr back to the original one set up by windows
[03:20] <ThAixStYLe> boots windows fine
[03:20] <ThAixStYLe> but i can't boot ubuntu
[03:20] <ThAixStYLe> one thing i did notice, when installing ubuntu, i didn't get any prompt asking me where to install GRUB
[03:21] <ThAixStYLe> however, after installing, i checked the /boot partition and GRUB was there...
[03:21] <ThAixStYLe> anyone know where i went wrong (besides wanting to use NTLDR)?
[03:21] <LiteWait>  does anyone have a orinoco gold "just working" in dapper?
[03:24] <dr_willis> ThAixStYLe,  the live cd installer does not ask where to install grub. the alternate cd isntaller allows you to select where to put grub.
[03:24] <dr_willis> or you can install grub somewhere else after the first install.
[03:25] <ThAixStYLe> i c
[03:25] <ThAixStYLe> where does it install GRUB by default then?
[03:25] <dr_willis> I would guess hda
[03:25] <Healot> mbr
[03:25] <dr_willis> first hard drive's mbr.
[03:25] <ThAixStYLe> i c...
[03:26] <ThAixStYLe> so after fixing my MBR (setting it back to the original windows MBR), i wiped out GRUB, right?
[03:26] <dr_willis> Yes you did
[03:26] <ThAixStYLe> i c
[03:27] <ThAixStYLe> can i fix it? or do i have to do a reinstall of ubuntu?
[03:27] <ThAixStYLe> or can i just reinstall grub?
[03:27] <tk> you should be able to get to it via NTLDR
[03:27] <tk> just hit your winkey + pause/break
[03:27] <tk> you can edit boot.ini
[03:27] <ThAixStYLe> i did edit my boot.ini
[03:27] <tk> as long as you know the address of the partition you installed ubuntu too
[03:27] <dr_willis> You can reinstall grub.   i never mess with the boot.ini   so canthelp ya there.
[03:28] <ThAixStYLe> but I reverted back to my original pre-ubuntu MBR...
[03:28] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[03:28] <ThAixStYLe> when i reinstall GRUB, can i select where to install it to?
[03:28] <tk> ThAixStYLe: MBR shouldnt matter as long as the data is still there, MBR just is what tells the PC how to boot from the HD
[03:28] <ThAixStYLe> how do i figure out the address of my ubuntu partition?
[03:29] <ThAixStYLe> what syntax do i use?
[03:29] <tk> well do yo have 1 HD or 2 in your desktop?
[03:29] <ThAixStYLe> 1
[03:30] <tk> ok, how many partitions?
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> windows on the first
[03:30] <UQlev> Hello, anyone tried to run blender(3D-renderer) on kubuntu AMD64?
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> then FAT for share
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> then linux SWAP
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> then boot, and finally the root
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> so a total of 5
[03:30] <tk> and they were made in that ordeR?
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> the last for are on a extended partition
[03:30] <ThAixStYLe> yup
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> made in that order
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> *four
[03:31] <tk> ok open boot.ini and show me the line that it uses for windows
[03:31] <deb> ThAixStYLe : sorry. saw the question late ;). But did u take a back up of ur mbr ?
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> deb: no backup..i know...dumb...
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> i can't...
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> i booted with the live cd now..
[03:31] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[03:32] <tk> ThAixStYLe: ohhh
[03:32] <dimosd> I have a question about syntax highlighting support in Kate. In Kubuntu, most languages are missing (compared to KDE's original Kate). Is there any way to get them back?
[03:32] <ThAixStYLe> how about i reboot into windows?
[03:32] <deb> ThAixStYLe: that's the problem in the dapper live CD .
[03:32] <tk> ThAixStYLe: well in your boot.in it should be something like multidisk(0)partion(X)...........
[03:32] <UQlev> Anybody succedded to use win32 video codecs on Kubuntu-6.06-AMD64?
[03:32] <ThAixStYLe> yeah...
[03:32] <ThAixStYLe> tk: yeah...looks like that...
[03:33] <tk> so add a new line for kubuntu that has multidisk(0)partition(3 ) or (4) (dependin gon which one has the boot files
[03:33] <ThAixStYLe> can't remember what (x) is though
[03:33] <ThAixStYLe> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[03:33] <ThAixStYLe> i c
[03:33] <tk> for windows it should be (0) (o)
[03:33] <ThAixStYLe> i'm an idiot....
[03:33] <tk> (0) (0) rather
[03:33] <tk> if that doesnt work....
[03:33] <ThAixStYLe> just specify the partition...and add a name in quotes, right?
[03:33] <deb> ThAixStYLe: If u want NTLDR to load grub, then probably u need to reinstall windows .
[03:34] <ThAixStYLe> probably not....
[03:34] <tk> yah copy the windows one verbatim, change the partition number and remove the /commands
[03:34] <ThAixStYLe> i don't want to use 2 boot loaders in succession
[03:34] <deb> ThAixStYLe : U also need tool called grubforDOS.
[03:34] <ThAixStYLe> i just want to select between windows and ubuntu on startup...to simply things..
[03:35] <ThAixStYLe> deb: why would i need to reinstall windows?
[03:35] <deb> ThAixStYLe: but ntloaded can't load linus. as it doesn't recognise any other file system other than NTFS and FAT . I guess so .
[03:35] <ThAixStYLe> tk:  Thanks for all the help, i hope this works...
[03:36] <dimosd> NTLDR can load a single boot sector saved in a file e.g. bootsect.lin
[03:36] <deb> ThAixStYLe : once u reinstall windows, it will over write the mbr .
[03:36] <BluesKaj> I tried to reinstall GAG bootloader from cd, but Grub takes priority even though the BIOS boot sequence is cdrom first
[03:36] <dimosd> You could store e.g. LILO in there... it has been some time since I toyed with these things ;-)
[03:36] <ThAixStYLe> i did restore my MBR to the original pre=ubuntu MBR
[03:37] <Healot> in Windows, I recommend bootpart to do the job
[03:37] <Healot> linux? of course dd
[03:37] <ThAixStYLe> i loaded up the XP CD and used the repair console to use FIXMBR
[03:37] <ThAixStYLe> i assumed that i copied the boot sector correctly and called it ubuntu.bin
[03:37] <ThAixStYLe> so NTLDR looks right
[03:37] <ThAixStYLe> i just copied the wrong data to ubuntu.bin
[03:38] <ThAixStYLe> i assumed that the data would be on the /boot partition
[03:38] <dr_willis> Heh - make a boot floppy for the linux isntall. :P Old-skool.
[03:38] <ThAixStYLe> so wheat exactly DID i put on my boot partition?
[03:38] <ThAixStYLe> *what
[03:38] <dimosd> Yeah, and dd the boot sector from the floppy. It should work.
[03:38] <deb> ThAixStYLe: what do u see whe u boot ur computer now ?
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> as of last reboot...
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> my boot.ini is working fine
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> i can select between windows and ubuntu
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> but ubuntu won't boot
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> because i copied the wrong data to the ubuntu.bin file i made
[03:39] <deb> ok . so u can't boot to linux now . is it ?
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> yup
[03:39] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with grub anyway ?
[03:39] <ThAixStYLe> nothing...
[03:40] <dimosd> Does anyone know how to get Kate's support for all languages in Kubuntu?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> do yoy windows as the default boot ?
[03:40] <ThAixStYLe> grub is just fine.. i just want to use NTLDR
[03:40] <BluesKaj> you want
[03:40] <ThAixStYLe> because other people will use this machine...
[03:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:40] <ThAixStYLe> and they'll need to boot into windows by default..
[03:40] <BluesKaj> right'
[03:41] <dimosd> Why don't you set up Grub booting in Windows by default, and hiding the menu
[03:41] <dimosd> Giving you e.g. 3 secs to press Esc
[03:41] <ThAixStYLe> yeah...BUT
[03:41] <BluesKaj> I wouldn't mind that either since wifey uses this pc sometimes and she's afraid of linux :P
[03:41] <ThAixStYLe> i already screwed it up
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> and i'm interested in getting this method to work..
[03:42] <foot> abattoir: are you still on or did you sleep?
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> just for the sake of getting it to work....know what i mean? curiosity...
[03:42] <abattoir> foot: heh, not asleep ;)
[03:42] <dimosd> You know, there's a HOWTO around...
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> i know
[03:42] <dimosd> Using NTLDR I mean. Old one...
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> tried to follow it...
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> but
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> i'm inept
[03:42] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[03:42] <abattoir> foot: what was the status, you installede the deb?
[03:42] <foot> abattoir: care to help me again this morning?
[03:42] <deb> ThAixStYLe : U needs to have some kind of boot loaded that can identify the other file systems on ur HDD
[03:43] <ThAixStYLe> i ended up copying the data from /boot to the file
[03:43] <abattoir> foot: sure :)
[03:43] <BluesKaj> I used to be able use GAG as a bootloader  with windows and suse , but not with kubuntu
[03:43] <ThAixStYLe> without knowing that GRUB got installed to the MBR instead of /boot
[03:43] <ThAixStYLe> out of curiousity...how would i extract the boot sector from the MBR to use in this case?
[03:43] <foot> just tried again and  'dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ivtv0.4-utils:'
[03:44] <BluesKaj> if you dumped grub , GAG might be able to rescue your Kubuntu partition ... dl in windows
[03:44] <ThAixStYLe> GAG?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> it's a bootloader that works with windows and linux
[03:44] <dimosd> "Officially" you should right Grub in your root/boot/whatever superblock (e.g. hda5), not hda (MBR)
[03:45] <dimosd> Then you could get the bootsector (first sector) with dd
[03:45] <BluesKaj> yes GAG :)
[03:45] <ThAixStYLe> i didn't choose where to write grub
[03:45] <ThAixStYLe> it didn't prompt
[03:45] <dimosd> I would trust LILO more, if you would do that...
[03:45] <foot> abattoir:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: ivtv0.4-utils
[03:45] <ThAixStYLe> i made a /boot /swap and root partition
[03:45] <deb> ThAixStYLe: let me explain a bit. U can either have grub in MBR or u can have some kind of utility that will recognise teh ext3/ reiser fs on the other partitions and load linux .
[03:45] <abattoir> foot: it probably gave a list of missing packages, could you pastebin the entire error?
[03:45] <ThAixStYLe> and assigned each one accordingly, began the install and then voila!
[03:45] <dimosd> Ok, it doesn't really matter where you'll write it
[03:46] <dimosd> Grub "bypapasses" normal booting done by BIOS
[03:46] <ThAixStYLe> so what's on my /boot partition now?
[03:46] <foot> for pastebin is that something i download or use in a webpage?
[03:46] <ThAixStYLe> junk?
[03:46] <abattoir> !pastebin > foot
[03:46] <abattoir> foot: its a webpage
[03:46] <ThAixStYLe> last i checked, there was a GRUB directory on it...
[03:47] <ThAixStYLe> and i assumed it was there...
[03:47] <ThAixStYLe> on hda5
[03:47] <deb> ThAixStYLe : I had the same problem when I installed kubuntu from the live CD . But fortunately I had taken a backup of MBR, aso I reverted back the chnaged made by kubuntu and installed an utility called grub4dos which helps me toload linux fron NTLDR
[03:48] <ThAixStYLe> how did you back up your MBR?
[03:48] <ThAixStYLe> another utility?
[03:48] <dimosd> dd if=/dev/hda of=bootsect.MBR bs=512 count=1
[03:49] <ThAixStYLe> see i did this:
[03:49] <ThAixStYLe> dd if=/dev/hda5 of=ubuntu.bin bs=512 count=1
[03:49] <dimosd> I see
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> because hda5 was my /boot partition
[03:50] <dimosd> You got the wrong bootsector, that's all
[03:50] <dimosd> No problem
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> so i assumed that it was correct
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> so...
[03:50] <dimosd> No, because you wrote Grub in the first sector of hda, not hda5
[03:50] <dimosd> Listen
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> i see
[03:50] <dimosd> Have you got Windows booting again?
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> yup
[03:50] <dimosd> by NTLDR?
[03:50] <ThAixStYLe> yup
[03:50] <dimosd> So, you just want to reinstall grub somehow
[03:51] <foot> aba(Reading database ... 87264 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace ivtv0.4-utils 0.4.6-1ttoir:
[03:51] <foot>  (using ivtv0.4-utils_0.4.6-1_i386.deb) ...
[03:51] <dimosd> and boot  to linux, right?
[03:51] <ThAixStYLe> yup
[03:51] <dimosd> ok...
[03:51] <deb> ThAixStYLe : the command should be  dd if=/dev/hda1 of=ubuntu.bin bs=512 count=1
[03:51] <dimosd> No
[03:51] <tk> ugh, why is upgrading a codec engine so damn difficult
[03:51] <ThAixStYLe> i see
[03:51] <dimosd> That's Windows bootsector
[03:51] <dimosd> Not MBR
[03:51] <exmethix> I have a little problem with opera
[03:51] <dimosd> It's hda
[03:52] <exmethix> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8210/bildschirmphoto3hx2.jpg
 : u r eight . sorry hda
[03:52] <dimosd> Then you manually install grub, somewhere safe
[03:52] <_Shade_> has anyone here wine installed ?
[03:52] <dimosd> e.g. a floppy
[03:52] <ThAixStYLe> and that would save the bootsector of my windows partition,right?
[03:52] <exmethix> "file" "edit" etc. are looking strange
[03:52] <dimosd> grub-install '(fd0)'
[03:52] <dimosd> then dd, blah blah
[03:52] <ThAixStYLe> can i install it on a FAT32 partition?
[03:52] <foot> abbatoir: Unpacking replacement ivtv0.4-utils ...dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ivtv0.4-utils:ivtv0.4-utils depends on libconfig-inifiles-perl; however:Package libconfig-inifiles-perl is not installedivtv0.4-utils depends on libvideo-ivtv-perl; however: Package libvideo-ivtv-perl is not installed.dpkg: error processing ivtv0.4-utils (--install):dependency problems - leaving unconfiguredErrors were encountered while pro
[03:52] <dimosd> Look
[03:52] <_Shade_> !wine
[03:52] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:53] <dimosd> Grub wants basically a boot sector, and it also keeps a backup of drivers to recognize filesystems
[03:53] <dimosd> a bit of a mess
[03:53] <dimosd> but you only "need" the bootsector
[03:53] <dimosd> When you write it to MBR, it uses some space that is available BEFORE the first partition
[03:54] <dimosd> 64 sectors, actually
[03:54] <deb> ThAixStYLe : Look at this page --> http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/  U will surely find a solution.
[03:54] <ThAixStYLe> ok...so assuming that i installed a fresh copy of windows...
[03:54] <ThAixStYLe> and then made an extended partition..
[03:54] <Healot> if you need to extract bootsector, use "bootpart" in Windows
[03:54] <ThAixStYLe> with 4 partitions...
[03:54] <tk> ThAixStYLe:
[03:54] <dimosd> Assuming hda5 is your / partition
[03:54] <tk> ThAixStYLe: doesnt have to be extended partitions
[03:54] <ThAixStYLe> a FAT32 share, a SWAP, a BOOT, and a ROOT
[03:55] <tk> with the install for kubuntu you can make them all primaries for that matter (its how mine is)
[03:55] <ThAixStYLe> tk: thanks..but just hypothetically speaking...
[03:55] <ThAixStYLe> i install ubuntu..
[03:55] <dimosd> step by step... to get somewhere!
[03:55] <deb> ThAixStYLe : My system setup is similar . other than the fact that I have all 4 primary partition. Just 40 GB space . :(
[03:55] <tk> same thing, can still edit partition before install commences
[03:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone
[03:57] <ThAixStYLe> ubuntu then writes a new boot sector
[03:57] <ThAixStYLe> and edits the MBR, right?
[03:57] <dimosd> Yeah, but it doesn't HAVE to
[03:57] <ThAixStYLe> therefore making GRUB my bootloader
[03:57] <dimosd> It's the easiest way
[03:57] <dimosd> exactly
[03:57] <ThAixStYLe> now....
[03:57] <ThAixStYLe> can i:
[03:57] <floyd_n_milan> umm how do i manually configure networking? as in editing the files in /etc
[03:57] <floyd_n_milan> im new to Ubuntu and don't know where the config files are located
[03:57] <dimosd> floyd: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> dd  if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hda5/ubuntu.bin bs=512 count=1
[03:58] <deb> ThAixStYLe : what I found best was not ot mess with windows ntldr , rather use something else to load linux from ntlds .
[03:58] <MilhousePunkRock>  /etc/network/interfaces is what you are looking for floyd_n_milan
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> to extract the boot sector?
[03:58] <dimosd> ThAix: No!
[03:58] <dimosd> That's where you're wrong
[03:58] <deb> ThAixStYLe : no no just hda
[03:58] <floyd_n_milan> ah thanks :)
[03:58] <dimosd> no prob
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> ok...
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> dd  if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hda5/ubuntu.bin bs=512 count=1
[03:58] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hi :)
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> right?
[03:58] <dimosd> Don't do that though!
[03:58] <abattoir> foot: pastebin'd it?
[03:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey abattoir!
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> this is all hypothetical
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> i just want to know if it works
[03:58] <deb> ThAixStYLe: yes
[03:58] <dimosd> Sure, but we have to get somewhere!
[03:58] <ThAixStYLe> for experimentation purposes
[03:59] <dimosd> Look.
[03:59] <floyd_n_milan> alright now i don't know the syntax of the file
[03:59] <deb> ThAixStYLe : It works I tried it on y installation .
[03:59] <floyd_n_milan> where's the documentation?
[03:59] <foot> tried to, I copied into pastebin, added my name and hit send...
[03:59] <dimosd> floyd: man interfaces
[03:59] <dimosd> floyd: also Debian's manual
[03:59] <ThAixStYLe> dimosd: i'll end up not using it...but doing it once to make it works...so i can be happy and satisfied that i did it..
[03:59] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[03:59] <floyd_n_milan> okies thanks
[03:59] <dimosd> ok
[03:59] <deb> ThAixStYLe : that's a safe way to going about Linux installation . I can't trust windows ntldr.
[04:00] <dimosd> You can write Grub, not in MBR, but e.g. in /dev/hda5
[04:00] <dimosd> Your "root" partition superblock
[04:00] <ThAixStYLe> ?
[04:00] <deb> ThAixStYLe : will finally end up in a blue screen surely ;)
[04:00] <dimosd> If you actually set the "boot" flag in fdisk, it will boot directly from there
[04:00] <dr_willis_> each hard drive has a mbr, each partition also has its own mbr.
[04:00] <dimosd> Set the "boot" flag in /dev/hda1 and you 're back in Windows by default
[04:01] <dimosd> Set it up in NTLDR, and you skip the manual partition editing
[04:01] <dimosd> It's how BIOS handles booting by itself
[04:01] <ThAixStYLe> hrm...
[04:01] <ThAixStYLe> i see
[04:01] <ThAixStYLe> ok...
[04:01] <ThAixStYLe> now....
[04:01] <ThAixStYLe> that i understand how i would use NTLDR to load either windows or GRUB
[04:02] <dimosd> dr_willis: You only care about the MBR of the first disk (that boots)
[04:02] <ThAixStYLe> what is the best set up for a dual boot?
[04:02] <foot> abbatoir: I think this could be something very simple. got tohttp://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu and follow along thru to mid page, where the to do box is buch larger.
[04:02] <ThAixStYLe> what boot loader is recommended?
[04:02] <dimosd> You know it already
[04:02] <foot> http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[04:02] <dimosd> windows by "normal means", grub by bootsect
[04:02] <dr_willis_> dimosd,  or the 2nd hd or the 3rd. :)   My pc lets me pick what HD to boot direct off of  with a nice menu feature.
[04:02] <Ace2007> Hi all i'm back
[04:03] <deb> ThAixStYLe : I will recommend this --> http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/ that's what I use .
[04:03] <dr_willis_> dimosd,  but that conruses the heck out of the automatic grub installer scripts Ive noticed. Heh.
[04:03] <dimosd> dr_willis: nice way to get really confused! :-)
[04:03] <dr_willis_> dimosd,  that way people dont even see/notice the linux isntall on the system
[04:04] <ThAixStYLe> hrm..i guess i'll just play with it till it clicks right for me...
[04:04] <ThAixStYLe> thank you all for your help
[04:04] <dimosd> Well, I am describing the old "manual" way. dr_willis's tool should work too
[04:04] <abattoir> foot: using my name in a message, would notify me, that way, i wouldnt miss your messages(like i have been doing now)
[04:04] <dimosd> just remember, you don't "have" to install grub in MBR
[04:04] <dimosd> ok?
[04:04] <ThAixStYLe> i really appreciate it...really
[04:04] <dr_willis_> but hes using 1 hd.. so not quite the same thing.
[04:04] <dimosd> Try a floppy too
[04:04] <dimosd> safer
[04:04] <abattoir> foot: you need to install those packages, which are being mentioned in the error message
[04:04] <dr_willis_> Floppys now THATS old skool!
[04:04] <ThAixStYLe> i would use a floppy...
[04:05] <dimosd> No, it isn't
[04:05] <dimosd> Just a temporary means
[04:05] <ThAixStYLe> but my notebook doesn't have one...
[04:05] <ThAixStYLe> so...i'm assed out...
[04:05] <dimosd> You can dd stuff later
[04:05] <dimosd> ok!
[04:05] <foot> abbatoir: ok care to elaborate?
[04:05] <dimosd> well ok
[04:05] <ThAixStYLe> i do use a floppy on my desktop..and i get good use out of it too..
[04:05] <ab0oo> how stupid do I sound when I say "I just dist-upgraded from dapper to edgy, and now all my KDE fonts are 'blank', help?!" ?
[04:05] <evert> Hello all
[04:05] <dimosd> I didn't get an answer to my question, but helped another :-)
[04:05] <ThAixStYLe> thanks again....i'm off to reattempt me ubuntu install...
[04:05] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[04:06] <dimosd> Oh
[04:06] <evert> Is there a way to get all the buttons of my Logitech G5 working ?
[04:06] <dimosd> Can you skip installing grub this time?
[04:06] <ThAixStYLe> how can i skip grub?
[04:06] <dimosd> Or you 'll go again where you started...
[04:06] <foot> abatoir: is that apt-get or sudo dpkg?
[04:06] <dr_willis_> Im still annoyed that the LS120 floppy disks never got popular.
[04:06] <deb> ab0oo : I did the same. Xorg-fonts is broken. sticks to some error with fixed-fonts. I had to reinstall dapper :)
[04:06] <dimosd> I suppose you you the LiveCD installer. I haven't used that and I don't know
[04:06] <dr_willis_> 120mb on a floppy sized disk - was decent.
[04:06] <ThAixStYLe> i'm installing from the live cd
[04:06] <evert> He just asks at the end ... you can choice install grub 'no' 'yes'
[04:06] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[04:06] <dimosd> I used the "alternative" debian-style
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> maybe i should download the other installer CD then...
[04:07] <dimosd> So... Good luck
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> lol
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> ok...
[04:07] <ab0oo> deb:  that's, um, lame.  surely we're not the only two peolpe that have tried this.
[04:07] <dimosd> Not necessairy
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> this will be my second of many attempts
[04:07] <dimosd> Just backup you MBR first with dd (/dev/hda, ok?)
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> i don't mind doing multiple installs...to play around til i get it right..
[04:07] <dr_willis_> One of the features of the alternate installer cd - was the  ability to put grub on a different location.
[04:07] <dimosd> Good luck!
[04:07] <deb> ab0oo : But I still use the Linux image from edgy and lot of other stuffs like gcc et. etc.
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> sounds good...
[04:07] <ThAixStYLe> thanx
[04:07] <ab0oo> anyone here with edgy and an nvidia card that's willing to pastebin their xorg.conf?
[04:07] <dr_willis_> or so the web site said.
[04:08] <ThAixStYLe> and i'm out!
[04:08] <dimosd> Last call for a question about Kate... anyone knows how to get its full functionality?
[04:08] <ab0oo> of all the things I've fought with in X, fonts is the biggest PITA.  Even the ATI drivers can be overcome with persistence
[04:09] <dimosd> goodbye ppl
[04:10] <tk> ab0oo:  trying to install the latest Xine for Amarok, adept wont let me remove just the xine lib, it removes amarok as well, so i have to install amarok + xine by src, and amarok has now pulled 3 other dependencies that I have to install by src because they werent readiliy availblable from universe it seems :/
[04:10] <tk> nite dimosd
[04:10] <evert> Is there a way to get all the buttons of my Logitech G5 working ?
[04:10] <abattoir> foot: those should exist in the repos, so try 'sudo apt-get install package1 package2' etc.
[04:10] <Parkotron> I've got a xine issue as well. amaroK 1.4.1 refuses to play FLAC files. Gives "Error loading media: there is no audio stream". OGGs and MP3s play fine though. Any ideas?
[04:10] <Hotwire> hi, does anyone know where i could find the ppd files for my printer i think the permissions are incorrectly set
[04:10] <ab0oo> tk:  at least you can see the fonts on your screen... ;)
[04:11] <tk> lol
[04:11] <Jucato> Parkotron: unfortunately, I think the only way around that is to compile a new version of libxine...
[04:11] <ab0oo> tk:  did you try using aptitude instead of adept?
[04:11] <tk> ab0oo: that is a plus... would be difficult to do otherwies ;)
[04:11] <tk> ab0oo: no..
[04:11] <foot> abatoir: I'll give it a shot
[04:12] <ab0oo> I've found that aptitude, while slower, is smarter about dependency problems.
[04:12] <tk> ab0oo: as long as ruby doesnt die on the compile, amarok is ready to build then :P
[04:12] <abattoir> foot: its 'abattoir' ;) and your client must support tab-completion, just type, ab[tab] , my name should come up :)
[04:12] <ab0oo> tk:  could this be part of mixing dapper and edgy?
[04:12] <Parkotron> Jucato: I guess I'll just go back to the previous version. Thanks for the info.
[04:13] <ab0oo> abattoir, as in the place where animals are slaughtered?  grim.
[04:13] <foot> abattoir: thanks and sorry
[04:13] <tk> tk: mixing them how?
[04:13] <tk> err
[04:13] <abattoir> foot: or aba, since i'm not the only one w/ an ab nick today
[04:13] <tk> ab0oo: rather... mixing them how?
[04:13] <Parkotron> evert: Have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MX1000Mouse ? It's a different mouse, but it might help.
[04:13] <foot> abattoir: got it
[04:13] <abattoir> ab0oo: that's one of the meanings, yes :)
[04:13] <ab0oo> tk, I thought you said above that you're using edgy kernel, etc, with a dapper install.
[04:13] <tk> no... dapper all the wall
[04:13] <tk> way
[04:13] <evert> Parkotron: thanks for that link :) , i didn't see it because i was looking for G5 ... I hope it'll work
[04:14] <ab0oo> tk, ahh, ok.  I should know better than to try bleeding edge stuff and expect great results.
[04:14] <foot> abattoir:  how many packages should I list in the apt-get? one at a time or just a space between the package names?
[04:14] <deb> ab0oo: that was me
[04:14] <Hotwire> can anyone tell me where i find the printer definition files for cups, i think mine have the wrong permissions set
[04:15] <abattoir> foot: space b/w package names should work :)
[04:15] <tk> hmmm
[04:15] <ab0oo> deb, tk, same same..  sorry, deb.
[04:15] <tk> ARG, and with my src build of Xine i lose like 90% of its functionality
[04:16] <deb> ab0oo: Most of the stuffs from edgy worked for me. even xorg worked for me unless I installed some xorg-font package .
[04:17] <foot> abattoir: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install'  with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:17] <tk> ab0oo: is there a gUI for aptitude on kubuntu?
[04:17] <Jucato> tk: there's no full GUI for aptitude anywhere...
[04:17] <abattoir> foot: could you pastebin the entire run?
[04:17] <Jucato> but there's an ncurses GUI for aptitud
[04:17] <Jucato> s/aptitud/aptitude
[04:17] <tk> ok, thanks :P
[04:17] <foot> abattoir: sure
[04:18] <Jucato> tk: just type in "sudo aptitude" and you'll have an ncurses GUI
[04:18] <Jucato> but it's a bit confusing to use at first... haven't personally used it...
[04:19] <ab0oo> tk:  dunno.
[04:19] <ab0oo> tk: i use adept for that.  :)
[04:20] <deb> ab0oo: Synaptic is easy
[04:20] <ab0oo> I'm not a big GUI guy, except for web-browsing and development (eclipse)
[04:20] <foot> abattoir: did you get that?
[04:21] <abattoir> foot: yes, but you are supposed to paste back the link here, nvm this time though :)
[04:21] <abattoir> foot: ok, do a 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[04:22] <abattoir> foot: then  try installing those packages...
[04:22] <ab0oo> ok, off to restart X.  good luck to all.
[04:23] <foot> abattoir: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20088
[04:24] <anil> ok this is nice
[04:24] <foot> abattoir: so now I get to continue with  the directions, yes?
[04:24] <abattoir> foot: yes, i think you got that error because your konsole window was too small
[04:26] <exmethix> could somebody tell me how to set opera as default webbrowser?
[04:26] <Jucato> exmethix: try going to System Settings > KDE Components > Default Applications options
[04:27] <evert> I have to restart , with an edited xorg.conf (for my G5 mouse) ... Brb and hopefully it will work :)
[04:27] <trappist> evert: don't reboot, just hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:27] <evert> Is it enough ?
[04:27] <evert> in the guide is described reboot ... ?
[04:27] <trappist> yeah that restarts X
[04:27] <evert> ok
[04:27] <evert> i'll try it
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> reboot is rarey needed
[04:27] <trappist> what guide
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:27] <foot> abattoir: have you been to the page I am following?
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> guide is silly.
[04:28] <evert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219894&highlight=G5
[04:28] <evert> this guide
[04:28] <evert> brb
[04:28] <Cornellius> Ah
[04:28] <trappist> ah.
[04:28] <Cornellius> It's a forum-user made guide.
[04:29] <anil> how do i change the repositories and stuff graphically?
[04:29] <Cornellius> sudo gedit /etc/aot/sources.list
[04:29] <trappist> heh
[04:29] <Cornellius> In a terminal.
[04:29] <anil> no GUI?
[04:30] <Cornellius> It will open a text editor with a gui.
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> The adept package manager has some checkbox/menus to change them somewhat.. but not as detailed.
[04:30] <Cornellius> Just uncomment the ones you want to use, or add new ones.
[04:30] <evert> i'm back , when just restarting x (ctrl alt backspace) my system hanged
[04:30] <evert> i had to reboot :P
[04:30] <deb> anil: adept -> Manage repository
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:30] <Cornellius> Dr_Willis: I use Synaptic, even under Kubuntu :)
[04:31] <octan> its all kate :P
[04:31] <anil> deb: there's no such option :s
[04:31] <evert> Can somebody repost the link i had given just before my reboot ?
[04:31] <catadoxas> emacs
[04:31] <Cornellius> octan: Meh, it works :)
[04:31] <evert> i lost it with rebooting
[04:31] <octan> Cornellius for ubuntu yes :P
[04:31] <Doodluv> evert: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219894&highlight=G5
[04:31] <evert> thx
[04:31] <Doodluv> ?
[04:32] <deb> anil: look in adept manager
[04:32] <Cornellius> octan: I like both really, only depends on the WM I'm using.
[04:32] <deb> anil: u have an option to manage repository
[04:32] <octan> i like kate more. but i guess it all a mattre of opinion :)
[04:33] <Jucato> anil: launch Adept (Package Manger) from K Menu > System > Adept
[04:33] <Jucato> anil: then when Adept is running, click on Adept menu (first menu to the left at the top) and click on Manage Repositories
[04:33] <anil> ah yeah ok
[04:33] <anil> thanks
[04:34] <anil> it didn't open the first time, so i used the Add/Remove Programs from the menu
[04:34] <Jucato> anil: you won't be able to edit your repositories from Add/Remove Programs
[04:34] <anil> Jucato: yeah that's what confused me
[04:34] <anil> but thanks, adept opens now :0
[04:34] <anil> :) *
[04:35] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:35] <evert> my extra buttons still don't work :( , with my old mouse all the buttons worked out of the box ... pff
[04:36] <deb> bye *
[04:36] <anil> gosh GUIs can be confusing :P
[04:36] <octan> lol
[04:37] <octan> anil, i agree :)
[04:37] <foot> abattoir:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20090
[04:37] <Jucato> anil: that's why most intermediate users prefer to give instructions for the command line
[04:37] <octan> but cli can be more confusing :P
[04:37] <evert> Is somebody using wengo ? Because i'm having trouble with the linux version ...
[04:37] <Jucato> scratch that "intermediate" word...
[04:37] <anil> Jucato: im used to CLI, but im new to Ubuntu
[04:38] <Jucato> anil: oh. then you'll do fine here. some things in Ubuntu are better done in CLI. It's both famous and notorious for that...
[04:38] <octan> wel bash is bash :P it dosnt behave diff in another distro :)
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> some things in life are better off done in the CLI.
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:38] <octan> yea
[04:39] <octan> thats what i hate about m$ everything has to be gui
[04:39] <Jucato> I wouldn't mind using GUI. I use both, depending on my mood, depending on the task...
[04:40] <anil> hehehe but im not the one who's to use this system
[04:40] <anil> a user completely new to Linux
[04:40] <anil> he loved my computer which runs XGL and KDE
[04:40] <anil> so i installed Kubuntu here
[04:40] <octan> xgl is buggy
[04:40] <crazy_penguin> and aiglx?
[04:40] <aliasfred> but it is beatifull eyecandy
[04:41] <anil> works perfectly fine for me, never had a single crash
[04:41] <aliasfred> and people LOVES eyecandy :)
[04:41] <octan> crazy_penguin less buggy :P
[04:41] <anil> cgwd crashed a couple of times, but that's pretty minor
[04:41] <octan> i want a 3d cli :P
[04:42] <Jucato> hmm... that would be cool
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> that's the ultimate cli
[04:42] <octan> yes
[04:42] <octan> maybe fb can do it :?
[04:42] <octan> framebuffer
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> but is a contracdiction in the terms
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> 'why is my text in a mirror image?' - you are reading the shell from the wrong side.
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> ah
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> then yes
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> lol
[04:42] <octan> hehe
[04:42] <crazy_penguin> rofl
[04:45] <octan> they prob will too :P
[04:45] <foot> has anyone installed ivtv by compiling?
[04:46] <octan> yes
[04:46] <octan> the module
[04:46] <octan> foot, follow the wikis
[04:47] <foot> octan: huh?
[04:47] <trappist> foot: yes
[04:47] <intelikey> somebody here can tell me what 'gamin' is supposed to do ?
[04:47] <foot> octan: I have been following http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[04:47] <octan>  wrong one
[04:48] <octan> http://nuxil.dynserv.net:81/ivtv-Howto.htm
[04:48] <foot> octan: trappist: I am about halfway thru in around 14 hours and now have another hangup
[04:48] <evert> is there a fast way to get this '~' sign ? Now i have to press the alt key twice ... It's because i'm learning a bit to work with the Konsole :)
[04:48] <trappist> where's the hangup? (my memory of the process is rusty but I might get lucky)
[04:49] <intelikey> hmmm or better still why kde depends on 'gamin' ?
[04:49] <octan> foot 1st get the kernel header files
[04:50] <octan> erm no wat,, just read the stuff i pasted.
[04:50] <intelikey> evert shift `
[04:50] <intelikey> ?
[04:50] <foot> octan: let me take this moment to inform you that I have only been  working with linux for around 18 hours
[04:50] <evert> shift gives '+'
[04:50] <evert> hmm
[04:50] <octan> foot waht software are you planning to use it with?  mythtv?
[04:50] <evert> another konsole question , i'm in the directory /Desktop
[04:50] <intelikey> evert on my kbd ~ == [shift] +[`] 
[04:51] <foot> octan: that is what was recomended to me.
[04:51] <octan> foot, well let me remind you of 1 thing :P linux is all about reading :P
[04:51] <intelikey> evert what kbd layout ?
[04:51] <evert> there is a directory wengo on that desktop , how can i get in that directory ? (i know i can do cd /home/evert/Desktop/wengo , but that's a lot of typing work
[04:51] <evert> i have azerty
[04:51] <octan> foot, yes itss  a superb pize of software
[04:51] <trappist> foot: let me take this moment to inform you that in 7 years of working with linux, making my ivtv card work was one of the most difficult things I ever undertook
[04:51] <intelikey> ah   qwerty here
[04:52] <evert> ah
[04:52] <trappist> foot: so don't get down on yourself :)
[04:52] <evert> do you know the other question ?
[04:52] <foot> octan: right. but.. I am still learning and picking up on things fast
[04:52] <octan> indeed
[04:52] <foot> octan: however, the directions that I am following have hit a bump yet again.
[04:53] <intelikey> evert reletive path.  if you are in the parent dir  i.e. ~/Desktop   just  do   cd wengo
[04:53] <evert> ah ok
[04:53] <evert> lol , i was typing the whole path
[04:53] <octan> foot, have you downloaded the ivtv & firmware? both are verry much needed
[04:54] <octan> foot, what pvr card do you have
[04:54] <intelikey> evert also tab key completion helps.
[04:54] <evert> that i knew :)
[04:54] <evert> pff installing that wengophone fails :(
[04:54] <fdoving> evert: also.. ~ and $HOME are shortcuts to your home directory. in your case /home/evert
[04:54] <foot> octan:  wintv-pvr 150
[04:54] <octan> good
[04:54] <octan> its one of the easy cards to set up
[04:54] <evert> ok , thx for that advice :)
[04:54] <octan> :)
[04:54] <evert> i'll use it wisely
[04:55] <intelikey> evert you building source ?
[04:55] <evert> I tried to install the .deb file
[04:55] <foot> octan:  I have been following the distructions from http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[04:55] <octan> foot, have downloaded the ivtv module source?
[04:55] <intelikey> dpkg -i filename.deb   ?
[04:55] <Jucato> would anyone know how to make the "Run as root" dialog box always appear on top of everything else, and not be covered by other windows?
[04:55] <intelikey> you have to sudo that
[04:55] <octan> foot, screw that one
[04:55] <foot> octan: I have no idea
[04:55] <evert> that works , but the wengophone software i get than isn't the same as on the site and as i had under windows ...
[04:55] <evert> it's like i'm missing a big part of it :s
[04:56] <intelikey> hmmm
[04:56] <evert> i don't get the chat functions , only the sip client
[04:56] <evert> can you try to install it to see what you get ?
[04:56] <intelikey> evert that's in the repos.
[04:56] <foot> octan: where then? I looked around for several hours yesterday to find one that is supposed to work with my card
[04:56] <intelikey> wengophone - SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features
[04:56] <evert> yes
[04:56] <intelikey> !info wengophone
[04:56] <ubotu> wengophone: SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.99+svn4511-4ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3309 kB, installed size 7660 kB
[04:56] <evert> but i only get the phone part
[04:56] <evert> i don't see the chat features here under linux
[04:56] <Iam8up|lpy> what's a good dir in the $PATH variable to put in a binary that can be used by every user on the computer?
[04:56] <octan> foot, omg.. ok hang in there, :P you have to downloade this file
[04:57] <octan> http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/xdriver/0.10.6/ivtvdev_drv.o.bz2
[04:57] <abattoir> foot: sorry, was away, but i see you have found better help ;)
[04:57] <intelikey> i see.    never used it...
[04:57] <evert> i had it under linux and there i had the chat features , but here they are just missing ? it's like they forgot the tabs :s
[04:57] <anil> ummm how do i install KDE 3.5.4?
[04:57] <anil> its upgrading to 3.5.2
[04:57] <foot> abattoir: I got impatient, thank you for everything youve done
[04:57] <abattoir> intelikey: the dep. on gamin has been removed for edgy
[04:57] <fdoving> Jucato: i think you can rightclick on the titleline advanced -> special window settings.. or something.
[04:57] <ciusbet> hi!
[04:57] <abattoir> foot: so it works?
[04:58] <intelikey> abattoir nice.   but i'm dapperish....
[04:58] <foot> abattoir: not yet, hit another snag
[04:58] <Jucato> fdoving: I'll try that. here's to hoping it only affects that window. That's one feature I think GNOME got right...
[04:58] <gfxstyler> hi
[04:58] <rudiz> http://kubuntu.org
[04:58] <Kr4t05> I'm away: Off to pick up my paycheck.
[04:58] <ciusbet> dudes i have a problem, when i try to install compiz, Adept says: BROKE (install) and i cant install it
[04:58] <gfxstyler> anyone here uses the app "kommando" ?
[04:58] <rudiz> anil go to kubuntu.org
[04:58] <Kr[4] t05> ciusbet: You're using the dapper repos?
[04:59] <ciusbet> yes
[04:59] <evert> i have another strange thing , i did 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and 'sudo apt-get update' , but i still have kde 3.5.2 in place of the newer one
[04:59] <ciusbet> at first i installed compiz and gnome-compiz
[04:59] <intelikey> oh well i'm the kinda guy that will remove xorg and everything that goes with it just to get rid of one lib i don't like    ;/
[04:59] <Jucato> fdoving: hey great! it works! thanks!! why didn't I think of that before... T_T
[04:59] <ciusbet> then i installed cgwd
[04:59] <Kr[4] t05> ciusbet: you'll need to check a howto on the forums.
[04:59] <abattoir> evert: its the other way around :P
[04:59] <intelikey> evert reverse order i hope.
[04:59] <evert> hmm
[04:59] <evert> don't know :P
[04:59] <abattoir> evert: do 'sudo apt-get update' first, and then 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[04:59] <evert> ok
[04:59] <ciusbet> next i uninstalled cgwd, compiz and gnome compiz
[04:59] <ciusbet> now i cant install anything
[05:00] <evert> nope
[05:00] <intelikey> and making that a dist-upgrade don't hurt a thing.
[05:00] <fdoving> Jucato: if it affects other windows too, you should look at system settings -> window behavior -> window behavior -> advanced (tab) - at the bottom there are some focus settings, try changing those.
[05:00] <evert> he sais i already have the newest packages of everything
[05:01] <abattoir> evert: added it properly? could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:01] <Jucato> fdoving: I just did Advance > Special Window Settings > Preferences tab > Keep Above (Force). thanks! it worked
[05:01] <intelikey> well i don't have kde (so actually i'm no longer running kubuntu)  because i removed gamin
[05:01] <fdoving> Jucato: great :)
[05:01] <fdoving> have to go, more work.
[05:01] <evert> abattoir : i'll pastebin my sources.list
[05:01] <abattoir> evert: ok
[05:01] <ciusbet> damn, i can install nothing
[05:01] <aliasfred> intelikey: naive question what is gamin ?
[05:01] <ciusbet> i hate repositories
[05:01] <Jucato> fdoving: it would be nice, though, if that behavior was on by default... anyway thanks!!
[05:02] <foot> octan: so this file, I extract it or what
[05:02] <intelikey> Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system.
[05:02] <ciusbet> what means BROKE (install)
[05:02] <aliasfred> intelikey: thanks
[05:02] <intelikey> Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
[05:03] <evert> this is my sources.list : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20097
[05:03] <intelikey> seeing it's a GNOME thing i was surprised it took kde with it.
[05:03] <octan> foot my fault.. i tould you to dl the wrong file :\ sorry dude,, i meant this file http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/ivtv-0.7.0.tar.gz
[05:04] <foot> octan: ok I clicked that and it extracted, now what?
[05:04] <abattoir> evert: looks good
[05:04] <octan> foot, get this fie to: ftp://ftp.hauppauge.com/Support/PVR150/Beta/amity24073.prerelease.zip
[05:04] <abattoir> evert: when you do a 'sudo apt-get update', do you see packages list being fetched from the 3.5.4 repo ?
[05:05] <djclue917> evert: you should've overwritten your old sources.list with the one i gave you. anyways, it's just ok.
[05:05] <foot> octan: could  not read
[05:05] <evert> I see i that he 'skips' some packages
[05:05] <octan> hu?
[05:05] <evert> like kde-base etc
[05:05] <evert> strange stuff
[05:05] <octan> foot, ahh you need to install unzip . to decompress that file
[05:06] <foot> ok is that with adept?
[05:06] <octan> foot look for unzip in synaptic
[05:06] <abattoir> evert: could you pastebin the 'sudo apt-get update' run ?
[05:06] <evert> ok
[05:07] <foot> octan: I dont think I have sybaptin
[05:07] <octan> synaptic
[05:07] <BluesKaj> can i edit the grub menu in the cmd line ?
[05:07] <octan> not sybaptin
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj:sure
[05:07] <intelikey> bug !
[05:07] <octan> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj: 'sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst' for eg.
[05:08] <intelikey> lot of kde packages use full path in post install/remove scripts     /usr/sbin/update-alternatives
[05:08] <intelikey> but update-alternatives is in /usr/bin  not /usr/sbin    at least on this system.
[05:08] <BluesKaj> eeeew...no list , just "command"
[05:09] <evert> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20099 , it are both update and upgrade ...
[05:09] <anil> apt-get is great
[05:10] <abattoir> evert: 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[05:10] <abattoir> evert: see if that does the trick
[05:11] <evert> i'll try it
[05:11] <intelikey> someone do a  'which update-alternatives'   for me and see if it's /usr/bin  or /usr/sbin  please.
[05:11] <evert> now he is updating packages like kde etc :)
[05:11] <evert> thx
[05:11] <evert> again a 80Mb download :(
[05:12] <mth`MAW> some who can explain me the phenomena with filetransfer in jabber (kopete as client) by using a proxy-jid?
[05:12] <intelikey> evert mine was 90m   and i'm on dialup....
[05:12] <intelikey> someone ?
[05:13] <intelikey> come on folks   anyone can do that...
[05:13] <intelikey> someone do a  'which update-alternatives'   for me and see if it's /usr/bin  or /usr/sbin  please.
[05:13] <evert> ??
[05:14] <intelikey> which update-alternatives
[05:14] <foot> octan: alright, do I get for kubuntu the debian or the bzr?
[05:14] <abattoir> intelikey: /usr/sbin
[05:14] <intelikey> abattoir so on some systems that would not error out... ok thanks
[05:14] <IlToNtO> for install skype in 64bit kubuntu there is a procedure??
[05:15] <intelikey> but it should still rely on the path veriable for such things rather than specifying the full path.
[05:15] <UQlev> IlToNtO: seems only for 32bit version
[05:16] <evert> do i have to reboot when i dit the distro-upgrade?
[05:16] <octan> foot, ? for what?
[05:16] <abattoir> evert: it is generally recommended that you restart atleast X, after you upgrade KDE
[05:16] <Healot> 32-bit skype can be installed on 64-bit distro using chroot or with "linux32"
[05:16] <Healot> !info linxu32
[05:16] <ubotu> Package linxu32 does not exist in dapper
[05:17] <evert> so a complete reboot isn't needed to use all the updates ?
[05:17] <Healot> !info linux32
[05:17] <ubotu> linux32: Wrapper to set the execution domain. In repository main, is extra. Version 1-3 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 56 kB
[05:17] <abattoir> Healot: nvm, he left :(
[05:17] <octan> just do sudo apt-get install synaptic in concole then start up synaptic and search for unzip ,install it and use it to decompress the firmaware file for your card
[05:17] <evert> going to restart x , brb (and already thanks for all the help you guys gave me :) )
[05:17] <foot> octan: unzip
[05:18] <octan> foot, next is to cd into the extracted ivtv file
[05:18] <intelikey> evert be advised that some people have also reported loosing the panel after that upgrade.  you can (i'm not telling to) reset your kde configuration with  "rm -r ~/.kde* "  from the console   if you need too.
[05:18] <intelikey> too late.
[05:18] <foot> octan: huh?
[05:18] <intelikey> oh well i tried.
[05:19] <octan> foot how long you have used linux again?
[05:20] <foot> octan: what time is it?  I started yesterday at noon and gave up for bed at midnight
[05:20] <evert> back
[05:20] <evert> damned , with the upgrade , the (nice) fonts are screwed up :( ...
[05:20] <octan>  do you think this is a good way to learn about it :P installing a 3rd party driver with firmware for the kernel :P which must be done by hand in this case
[05:21] <intelikey> evert i tried to say before you left...
[05:21] <intelikey> evert be advised that some people have also reported loosing the panel after that upgrade.  you can (i'm not telling to) reset your kde configuration with  "rm -r ~/.kde* "  from the console   if you need too.
[05:21] <evert> but for the rest it's ok
[05:21] <evert> what's the default font , so i can get the old font back :)
[05:21] <Jucato> upgrade to KDE 3.5.4? my media:/ is broken after the upgrade
[05:22] <evert> i still can get in the 'system settings' menu .. ?
[05:22] <foot> octan: I never said I thought it all thru first, but we do want to use the comp for the tv and movies. it is a small house
[05:22] <octan> foot, extract both file in seperat dirs in your /home/foot/Ivtv/
[05:22] <Jucato> I think the default fonts are from the DejaVu Sans group
[05:22] <octan> thouse 2 you just downloade..
[05:23] <evert> so i have to reset the kde config with 'rm -r ~/.kde* ?
[05:23] <octan> not synaptic & unzip :P
[05:23] <octan> evert, to reset just remove the hole dir
[05:24] <evert> do i loose the upgrade then ?
[05:24] <evert> or just the settings ?
[05:24] <Jucato> AFAIK, deleting ~/.kde will also delete e-mails, logs, etc. unless you have configured them to be saved somewhere else
[05:24] <octan> evert, no its just where your local configs are located
[05:24] <evert> it's a new install from this morning , so i'll not loose mails etc
[05:24] <evert> ok i'll do it
[05:24] <Jucato> ok. thengo for it! :-D
[05:24] <Jucato> and Good Luck
[05:24] <octan> Jucato, thats a possebility :)
[05:25] <evert> did it
[05:25] <evert> what now ?
[05:25] <Jucato> log out and log back in, I guess
[05:25] <evert> k
[05:25] <_Dyl_> What is a good video editing program for Linux?
[05:25] <octan> kino?
[05:26] <_Dyl_> I just want to take one video, and then split it into smaller ones
[05:26] <_Dyl_> but, isn't kino only for DV video?
[05:26] <evert> ok
[05:26] <evert> thanks , my fonts are back again ok :)
[05:26] <evert> you guys are really nice and good :D
[05:26] <Jucato> goody goody!
[05:26] <foot> oc is there a package version of unzip?
[05:26] <octan> _Dyl_,
[05:26] <octan> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[05:27] <evert> could it be that i lost my amarok music lists ?
[05:27] <octan> yes
[05:27] <evert> ok
[05:27] <octan> that you have
[05:27] <octan> :P
[05:27] <evert> that's not a big problem lol
[05:27] <Jucato> evert: uhuh @_@
[05:28] <octan> its a kde app it stores its config in /.kde :P
[05:28] <evert> this installation is getting 'finetuned' for my wishes :)
[05:28] <_Dyl_> Octan, is Cinelerra in repositiorys? Or will I have to compile from source?
[05:28] <evert> still need a nice IDE for c++
[05:28] <evert> and a nice chat program (like wengo :p)
 why dont you try to searc for it?
[05:28] <Jucato> evert: KDevelop for programming
[05:28] <insanekane> evert: KDevelop ?
[05:29] <evert> ok i'll try Kdevelop
[05:29] <blob1> hello
 thats only the 1/2 truth :P its a programmer interface
[05:30] <octan> to be correct
[05:30] <octan> ide
[05:30] <Jucato> ehehe... didn't have time to type the whole thing
[05:30] <octan> :P
[05:30] <evert> integrated development environment ?
[05:30] <octan> yes
[05:30] <Jucato> but he was looking for an IDE... so I answered directly
[05:30] <insanekane> hello blob1
[05:31] <evert> what do i need more then ?
[05:31] <evert> probably the gc++ compiler ?
[05:31] <octan> a gcc compiler?
[05:31] <Hagus> Is it treason to try SUSE?  I have tried kubuntu but ultimately, even after several reinstallations, it would not let me update via adept or any other way.  So, I have abandoned it in favour of SUSE.  I appreciate the help that I was given here and am sorry that despite the friendly and paintstakingly helpful patience that I was shown, I felt sufficiently frustrated to try another flavour instead.
[05:31] <blob1> some body is talktnc
[05:31] <octan> evert, and some qt stuff
[05:31] <Jucato> Hagus: it's treason to try XP. :-p
[05:32] <Hagus> Well, I still have xp to fall back on :)
[05:32] <Jucato> Hagus: have you tried MEPIS? it's also very close to Kubuntu
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Hagus,  you are saying that networking dident work at all?
[05:32] <insanekane> evert: get build-essential
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Hagus,  or just updating dident work?
[05:33] <Hagus> I have seen it on a cover disk but did not buy it - but SUSE seems to work fine this time.  Last time I tried it was on a different computer and it would not work for me then :( My experience of linux is not terriby encouraging - I sometimes wonder why I persist with it :)  However, I like its directness.
[05:33] <Hagus> Networking worked for me, Dr_Willis :)
[05:34] <insanekane> Hagus: directness ?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> Hagus,  sounds ti me like the servers may of been down, or your sources.list got messed up.
[05:34] <Hagus> I feel more in touch with the computer rather than being held at several layers of graphics away from it, insanekane :)
[05:34] <Jucato> Hagus: just be careful and try to get openSUSE 10.1, and not just 10, or else you will be experiencing more problems that what you encountered here
[05:35] <evert> insanekane : sudo apt-get build-essential won't work ?
[05:35] <Hagus> My sources.list did get messed up but there were failures to connect to repositories.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> the repo servers have been having a hard time on and off for the last few weeks.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> often it takes me 4 tries to get all the updates
[05:36] <Hagus> I was stuck with an adept which told me everything was installed and unupdatable.
[05:36] <octan> Dr_Willis, more ones are needed :P
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> octan,  yea. they need bittorrent like update repos!
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> thats a scary idea.. but the MMORPGs are doing that
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Hagus,  thats when you go to the shell :P
[05:37] <Hagus> Jucato - I have started off with 10.0 but I have asked it to upgrade everything online from the outset.
[05:37] <octan> Dr_Willis, yes thats a good iead, but its securety risk imo
[05:37] <Hagus> I tried kdesu and sudo, Dr_Willis, but to no avail.
[05:38] <Hagus> I had done something that got the whole thing locked.
[05:38] <Hagus> Even after a reinstallation, it would not let me fix it.
[05:38] <octan> Dr_Willis, making a upgraded.img on a p2p netword : scary. :P
[05:38] <evert> when i trie to compile something with KDevelop i get the following error : make: aclocal: Opdracht niet gevonden
[05:39] <Hagus> My wife is convinced that after a few days of SUSE I shall break it too :)
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> octan,  :)  the game companise seem to get away with it.
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> octan,  of course if all the pc's on my linux lan shared the same updates that one downloaded - it would save me some time.
[05:40] <octan> lol
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> I need to put /var/cache/apt (or whatever) on a nfs share
[05:40] <octan> Dr_Willis, indeed.
[05:41] <Hagus> Anyway, as I said, I appreciated the friendship and help that I received here and felt that it would be wrong of me just to disappear.  I hope to keep coming back if that is ok :)
[05:41] <evert> i have to go , cya ... really thanks for all the help you all gave to me the newbe :)
[05:41] <evert> if you're in belgium i'll give you a beer lol
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> QUitter! :P
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Windows Answer ---> reformat/reinstall
[05:42] <Hagus> lol
[05:43] <octan> Dr_Willis, you know you can make a script thats a makes a torrent.img of your /var/cache/apt/ each time you have had a upgrade.
[05:43] <Hagus> Oddly enough my SUSE told me that I was running a 64 bit system whereas it is only a 32 bit system (i think).
[05:43] <octan> that will save you some time
[05:44] <Kr[4] t05> I'm back.
[05:44] <octan> just setup a cssh "cluster" session on your lan
[05:46] <foot> octan:  alright, I know that I am a pain being so new and cutting my teeth on such a big bite, but...  did clicking on the hyperlink on the unzip page download the file or just open it for me to look at?
[05:47] <octan> foot, go back and right click on it instead
[05:48] <foot> octan: and then?
[05:48] <octan> save as.. put it in you /home/foot/ dir
[05:48] <octan> or copy.. i dont know what you are using
[05:49] <foot> octan: alright. next?
[05:49] <octan> go to that dir
[05:50] <octan> right click on it again
[05:50] <octan> select decompress
[05:50] <octan> erm.. exrtact
[05:51] <octan> btw what version of the kernel are you running?
[05:52] <|lostbyte|> HAy ! guys...
[05:53] <octan> howdy
[05:54] <foot> octan:  I dont know where to look for that  info
[05:56] <|lostbyte|> foot, uname -r
[05:57] <foot> octan: 2.6.15-23-386
[05:58] <foot> octan: I have synaptic on my computer, now how do I open it?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> type sudo synaptic at a shell :) is one way
[05:59] <octan> foot, ehh. realy you should read the kubuntu documentations. ++ more
[06:00] <foot> octan: you mean the kubuntu help logs
[06:00] <woodstock_> !paste
[06:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:02] <oliver> hi all
[06:03] <octan> foot, the stuff you are about to do is noob++ stuff. meaning in windows. verry andvanec user :P it took me 2 days getting my pvr 500 to work.
[06:03] <oliver> i am new to kubuntu-dapper (just switched from Fedora) and i need help with libxine-extracodecs ....
[06:03] <octan> but i have 2 tuners :P
[06:04] <octan> foot, go here  http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/
[06:05] <Healot> !multiverse
[06:05] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:05] <octan> foot, if you read the changelogs on that site
[06:05] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:05] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:06] <octan> foot, you'll see that 0.7,0 doesnt compile with your kernel
[06:06] <trip> Anyone having issues with apps after recent updates? Like fonts not showing up clearly and sections of text only showing up on mouseover...
[06:06] <octan> foot, so need 0.6.3
[06:06] <trip> I suspect the issue has to do with gtk
[06:07] <oliver> i don't even see the package in snaptic, although the sources a activated ...
[06:07] <octan> its called synaptic not snaptix
[06:07] <foot> octan: which program wont compile with my kernal?
[06:07] <oliver> octan:sorry
[06:07] <octan> foot, ivtv-0.7.0.tar.gz
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> !info synaptic
[06:07] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.57.8ubuntu11 (dapper), package size 1011 kB, installed size 5384 kB
[06:08] <foot> octan: so i need0.6.3 got it
[06:08] <octan> extract it in you /home/foot/ivtv dir
[06:09] <foot> octan: and I extract to...ok
[06:09] <octan> open cli
[06:09] <andriijas> how do i make all sounds go to my usb headset except from music in amarok?
[06:09] <octan> foot, thats "console"
[06:10] <foot> octan:  instaed of program
[06:10] <anil> how do i change the k menu font size?
[06:12] <andriijas> anil: system settings appearence
[06:12] <octan> -i
[06:12] <foot> octan: where should synaptic be located to enable it to work?
[06:12] <octan> foot what?
[06:12] <anil> i changed the fonts, but it doesn't change the menu
[06:13] <insanekane> andriijas: you can probably do that using arts in some way
[06:13] <scast> !freesource
[06:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about freesource - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:13] <scast> !easysource
[06:13] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:13] <scast> lol
[06:13] <andriijas> insanekane: maybe. how do i just change the default soundcard?
[06:14] <foot> octan: I downloaded and extracted synaptic. now in order to use it I have to be able to open it. *here is a hanky* so,  what or where is the apropriet place to have the file stored as right now I cannot open it
[06:14] <trip> ugh
[06:14] <octan> ??
[06:14] <nalioth> foot: downloaded? synaptic should be on the system by default
[06:14] <oliver> so how can i get the correct package libxine-extracodecs, if it won't show up in synaptic
[06:15] <octan> foot i didnt tell you to downloade synaptic.. i tould you to do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:15] <insanekane> andriijas: no idea :)
[06:15] <foot> octan: oh
[06:15] <nalioth> octan: synaptic should be on the system by default
[06:15] <nalioth> no wait
[06:16] <nalioth> why is adept not working?
[06:16] <foot> ocE: Invalid operation synaptictan:
[06:16] <nalioth> foot: why is adept not working?
[06:16] <foot> it is.
[06:16] <nalioth> why are you messing about with synaptic, then?
[06:16] <nalioth> !tell foot about repos
[06:17] <nalioth> foot: read your PM and enable universe and multiverse
[06:17] <Healot> on Kubuntu the apt front end is "adept"
[06:17] <foot> already did, yesterday
[06:17] <octan> you guys are making him confused now :P
[06:18] <nalioth> !tell foot about restricted
[06:18] <octan> !tell me about boobs
[06:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about boobs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:18] <octan> :P
[06:19] <foot> all componints in the repository manager are enabled
[06:19] <octan> foot, i tould you to open konsole
[06:20] <nalioth> foot: if you mind your spelling, libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse
[06:20] <foot> octan: I have it open
[06:20] <ryanakca> George: how did it go?
[06:20] <George> ryanakca: hah. hahaha. hah.
[06:21] <octan> foot i tould you to cd into the dir wher you extracted the ivtv file
[06:21] <oliver> pls, help,  how can i get the correct package libxine-extracodecs, if it won't show up in synaptic (universe,multiverse dapper backports)
[06:21] <ryanakca> oliver: pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list please
[06:21] <Hawkwind> oliver: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:21] <foot> octan: say agin please.?
[06:22] <oliver> Hawkwind: won't work
[06:22] <octan> foot i tould you to cd into the dir wher you extracted the ivtv file
[06:22] <Hawkwind> oliver: Then you need to enable the correct repos
[06:22] <octan> foot cd /home/foot/ivtv/ivtv-0.6.3
[06:22] <Hawkwind> oliver: It's in multiverse
[06:23] <foot> octan:  put that in the konsole promt?
[06:23] <octan> something like that
[06:24] <foot> nalioth:  I pasted and got nothing in adept
[06:24] <andriijas> whats the keyboard shortcut for katapult?
[06:24] <lindo_ferretti> hi all
[06:24] <trappist> andriijas: alt-space by default
[06:25] <nalioth> !tell foot about pastebin
[06:25] <lindo_ferretti> i have problems about gnome...could anyone help me?
[06:25] <oliver> Hawkwind: its activated in Synaptic (http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  dapper-backports  main restricted universe multiverse )
[06:25] <trappist> lindo_ferretti: you'll have better luck in #ubuntu
[06:25] <nalioth> foot: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin please?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:26] <octan> whats katapult goof  for?
[06:26] <octan> *good
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> lunnching thangs
[06:26] <foot> nalioth: yes, if I had permission "bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:26] <ryanakca> George: I take it it didn't got so well?
[06:26] <octan> Dr_Willis well it suxz
[06:26] <octan> :P
[06:27] <trappist> foot: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:27] <ryanakca> foot: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:27] <lindo_ferretti> i use kubuntu and xubuntu , i tried to install gnome but it doesn't run
[06:27] <nalioth> foot: kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:27] <ryanakca> lindo_ferretti: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:27] <lindo_ferretti> already done many times....
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> :_
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> and......
[06:27] <octan> trappist, & ryanakca ,, foot wants ivtv modules installed. your making him confused
[06:27] <ryanakca> lindo_ferretti: then you just need to select the session "GNOME" from the kdm menu (when you logout
[06:27] <George> ryanakca: er, I've just reinstalled dapper
[06:28] <lindo_ferretti> already done many times...it crashes
[06:28] <ryanakca> lindo_ferretti: what are the errors?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> see - NOW we are getting to the  actual problem. :P
[06:28] <lindo_ferretti> i tried using kdm gdm xdm wdm
[06:28] <foot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20106
[06:29] <lindo_ferretti> i don't know the errors cause it crashes
[06:29] <foot> all I want today is to be able to watch an f'n movie tonight with my girlfriend.
[06:30] <foot> :p}
[06:30] <|lostbyte|> foot, Rent one.. :P
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> as a test -  kill the kdm service. login at the console, edit the .xinitrc make it have 1 line   'gnome-session' then try startx. and see if theres any errors shown
[06:30] <foot> no tv, only computer
[06:30] <lindo_ferretti> i try
[06:30] <ryanakca> foot: you have a dvd drive on your computer?
[06:30] <foot> no
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> also you may want to install/use irssi for a console irc client - so ya can chat in here and test out X
[06:31] <ryanakca> foot: then where are you getting the movie?
[06:31] <foot> but I do have cabe going into the wintv-pvr 150 card and am trying to make it work
[06:31] <oliver> Hawkwind: SOLVED: i had to manually add multiverse in sources.list, it was not an option in Synaptic (backports multiverse was wrong)
[06:31] <excitatory> quick question, i just ran a dpkg update, and i got the following warning/error:  Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  File not found
[06:31] <ryanakca> lindo_ferretti: yeah, go ctrl-alt-f1, and run irssi, and then go back to X with ctrl-alt-f7... and back to irssi with ctrl-alt-f1, and etc
[06:32] <ryanakca> excitatory: go "sudo apt-get update" instead
[06:32] <oliver> Hawkwind: amarok is playing MP3s !!!!, iam happy again
[06:32] <Hawkwind> oliver: Glad to hear it :)
[06:32] <excitatory> ryanakca: that's the error i get from doing that exact command.
[06:33] <ryanakca> excitatory: can you pastebin your sources.list please?
[06:33] <excitatory> ryanakca: sure, one moment..
[06:33] <oliver> ok i'll have a break, see u later
[06:34] <ryanakca> foot: ok, and are you trying to install something threw apt?
[06:34] <excitatory> ryanakca: whoa.. never mind.. found the problem.. there was an apt-build line at the top for some reason.. not quite sure why..
[06:34] <ryanakca> excitatory: lol, :D
[06:35] <foot> ryanakca:  yes. I was following a step by step guide
[06:35] <ryanakca> excitatory: automatix? (I've never really used it...but heard it messed with things)
[06:35] <ryanakca> foot: and what package are you trying to install?
[06:35] <foot> http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[06:36] <excitatory> ryanakca: nah.. i generally don't mess with 'automatic' things like that and easyubuntu.. i'm too worried they're doing something in a way i don't prefer..  neurotic like that, i am.
[06:37] <nalioth> !automatix
[06:37] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[06:37] <nalioth> !worksforme
[06:37] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:37] <ryanakca> excitatory: lol :)
[06:37] <zered> hi everybody
[06:37] <rosh1182> how do I make sure ivman is actually running?
[06:38] <foot> ryanakca: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20109
[06:38] <ryanakca> foot: what package are you trying to install?
[06:38] <zered> I don't know if I can ask for help about smb4k in kubunut here ? I had'nt problem with mandriva before
[06:40] <ryanakca> rosh1182: ps aux | grep ivman
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> zered,  you just did. :P whats the problem?
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> i can guess the answer now. :P
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> the suid bits are not set on the smbmount and smbumount commands by default. :P
[06:41] <foot> ryanakca: as far as I know...  even know any more. octan was trying to help me do it differently but I was having trouble understanding what he ment. I am still VERY green at this
[06:41] <ryanakca> foot: what package are you trying to install at the moment?
[06:42] <ryanakca> foot: what goes wrong... why doesn't the howto work?
[06:42] <foot> ./ivtvfwextract.pl pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip
[06:42] <zered> Dr_Willis: Hi. I have a file server in my lan. When I mount my share drive it mount and umount in the same time. Where can I find log ?
[06:42] <aliasfred> foot: they seems good on readable names :)
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> zered,  huh. that made no sence.
[06:43] <ryanakca> foot: and what happens...
[06:44] <zered> Dr_Willis: in smb4k windows I see feww second the icon of mounted drive and it disappear
[06:44] <foot> ryanakca: bash: ./ivtvfwextract.pl: No such file or directory
[06:44] <zered> I hope I am clear
[06:44] <ryanakca> foot: can you read this please: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> zered,  sounds like its failing to mount
[06:44] <ryanakca> foot: ok... are you in the directory that contains ivtvfwextract.pl
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> zered,  run smb4k from a terminal and see if any errors are showing up.
[06:44] <aliasfred> Dr_Willis: zered: i think zered want to see samba log
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> aliasfred,  yea - but smb4k last i checked - was miss-setup - where the smbmnt and smbumnt commands were not set suid like they needed to be.
[06:46] <unix_infidel> *nod*
[06:47] <foot> ryanakca: ok so I am in that directory. so it had already been extracted and I can move on to the next fase?
[06:47] <toxicfume> hi all
[06:47] <unix_infidel> i think SCP is simpler than smb for most things.
[06:47] <zered> aliasfred: Hi. I don't know if it's a samba or smb4k problem.
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> ive been using that FUSE samba thing for  a bit - its niceer in ways :P
[06:47] <toxicfume> where is the file that stores the URL of the repositories stored in Kubuntu?
[06:47] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: fuse?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> but tehers a scp fuse thing also
[06:47] <zered> Dr_Willis: When I launch from konsole I have smb4k and the prompt is available in Konsole
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> File System in User Space
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> lots of neat tricks it can do.
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> zered,  now try to mount the share.
[06:48] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: file system in user space?
[06:48] <|lostbyte|> tomsku, /etc/apt/source.list
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> !fuse
[06:48] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> !info fuse
[06:48] <ubotu> Package fuse does not exist in dapper
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> !search fuse
[06:48] <ubotu> Found: windowsdrives, fuse, adept crash fix
[06:48] <unix_infidel> ahhh, ntfs writing.
[06:49] <superman007> would it be possible to install kubuntu on a second partition.. and only boot to that partition with a cd? (I dont want to write over the mbr or anything).. so that it looks like windows is the only os on the pc
[06:49] <ryanakca> foot: my best guess is to start from square one and follow the instructions... you shouldn't get any problems... who knows... you might of inadvertedly done the same thing twice or forgotten something
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUSE_(Linux)
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> it can do much MORE then ntfs writing
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> thats whats annoying about the bot factoids
[06:49] <zered> Dr_Willis: it ask for "password"
[06:49] <toxicfume> where is the file that stores the URL of the repositories stored in Kubuntu?
[06:49] <zered> But I have configure to use sudo
[06:49] <superman007> toxicfume probably /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> zered,   you are trying to mount  a windows xp share? or a linux share?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> zered,  you proberly also need to set what user for smb4k to be logging into the shares as.
[06:50] <unix_infidel> zered: yea, it prompts me fora username password just to authenticate to a workgroup.
[06:50] <unix_infidel> but even if i type in the right one...it still does that.
[06:50] <zered> Dr_Willis: but before it was ok under mandriva. In samba it's configure to be accessible for everyone on the lan
[06:51] <foot> ryanakca: I did indeed have a few of those problems, also the guide is not completly correct in a couple of commands. this has been overcome so far. thank you for giving me the link on how to ask good questions.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> zered,  theres a dozen things mandriva could have set different...
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> its trying to login as root user if you ran it with sudo - is my guess.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> and that may be dissallowed.
[06:52] <ryanakca> foot: np, and good luck :)
[06:52] <zered> Dr_Willis: ;-) I see that evryday
[06:52] <foot> ryanakca: I do fall into the catagory of just using the comp as a tool. and I have dove into a dificult at best, so I hear, thing to accomplish. thank you for your time and brain
[06:53] <zered> Dr_Willis: I disabled sudo ans I have this :
[06:53] <zered> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[06:53] <zered> smbmnt failed: 1
[06:55] <DaSkreech> OK So the Update I just got is the .oh release?
[06:55] <unix_infidel> zered: like he said, the suid is incorrectly set for those binaries.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> zered,  thats what i said at the VERY start. :P
[06:56] <zered> unix_infidel: Hi. You mean the rights for smb4k or samba ?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu has smbmnt and smbunmnt not set suid.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> i always set those :) guess its a bit of a security issue however
[06:56] <unix_infidel> the suid.
[06:57] <unix_infidel> i think nautilus manages them automagically though.
[06:57] <superman007> Can anyone help? I want to install kubuntu on my windows computer, But only boot with a cd
[06:57] <zered> unix_infidel: If i understand that, i guess I have to set suid for smb4k application ?
[06:58] <unix_infidel> zered: yea/
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> superman007, wait you want to install kubuntu or just use a CD
[06:58] <zered> unix_infidel: ok I try it
[06:58] <superman007> Admiral_Chicago. I want to install kubuntu on a second partition but boot to that partition with a cd
[06:58] <superman007> Admiral_Chicago.. that way there is no boot loader on the hdd
[06:58] <Dr_Willis>  sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt  and    sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount    are the 2 commands i always got to use to get smb4k working right for me.
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> superman007, hmm, i know there is a way to do that, but I don't know how...
[06:59] <toxicfume> On this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic, you have an option to select "Packages" and "Sources". What are the "Sources"? Are they source codes or what?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> superman007: repeat that? You want to install Kubuntu but not be able to boot to it?
[07:00] <superman007> toxicfume. yeah source code
[07:00] <superman007> DaSkreech. I want to boot to it from a cd
[07:00] <toxicfume> superman007: that means if i dont do any development, i wouldn't need them right?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> superman007: Then use the Desktop Cd
[07:00] <neuron> hello
[07:00] <superman007> DaSkreech. So if I install it without a boot loader and without overwriting the mbr.. I can boot to it with the install cd?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> superman007: Why would you want it to do that?
[07:01] <neuron> ive just installed teamspeak, and i got some problems
[07:01] <neuron> i cant hear any of my friends speaking
[07:01] <draik> superman007, why don't you want to change your mbr?
[07:01] <superman007> DaSkreech. Because its a company owned laptop and other people will be using it
[07:02] <DaSkreech> superman007: So make the default OS Windows
[07:02] <uwo> does an1 know how katapult chooses which apps can be launched through it and which not? (i can't launch amule through it, althought it is installed)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> They probably won't even know
[07:02] <DaSkreech> uwo: I think it has to be in your kmenu
[07:02] <unix_infidel> superman007: you can burn a cd to be the bootstrap.
[07:02] <draik> and change the default wait time from 10 sec to about 2-3
[07:02] <unix_infidel> sort of like a bootdisk that hands over the computer to the linux OS
[07:02] <DaSkreech> uwo: And if you just installed it you have to kill katapult and reopen it. It indexes on startup
[07:02] <superman007> unix_infidel. Are there any insturctions on doing that for kubuntu?
[07:03] <toxicfume> DaSkreech: can you help me? I just have a very basic question
[07:03] <coachj> !ati
[07:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:03] <unix_infidel> superman007: google, there's tons of literature on it.
[07:03] <uwo> DaSkreech: tnx
[07:03] <DaSkreech> toxicfume: No Idea
[07:03] <zered> Hey folks, it's ok for me. I've found it : http://www.debuntu.org/2006/05/31/58-how-to-smbfs-smbmnt-must-be-installed-suid-root/
[07:03] <superman007> unix_infidel. What should I google for? creating a bootstrap cd?
[07:03] <zered> thanx for help about suid ! Thanx so much
[07:03] <DaSkreech> toxicfume: I'm basically a basic guy :)
[07:03] <toxicfume> hehe okay
[07:03] <toxicfume> anyone else?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> !ask > toxicfume
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> WAS there a question? :P
[07:04] <toxicfume> DaSkreech: I already did that
[07:04] <DaSkreech> superman007: Why don't you just make Windows the default OS then everyone will just boot it up straight into windows
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Then try again :-) I didn't see it :)
 On this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic, you have an option to select "Packages" and "Sources". What are the "Sources"? Are they source codes or what?
[07:04] <superman007> DaSkreech. because there is that small chance they could hit the down arrow key or something
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> I really think they need to make windows the first entry. :P sadly.
[07:05] <zered> Haaaa ! It's mounted but i see nothing in folder !!!!
[07:05] <uwo> one more q: is it possible to "index" katapult? (to get to firefox i have to type F I R E F O X _ W, as before I have "firefox central" as the option)
[07:05] <draik> superman007, change the wait time to about 2 or 3 seconds
[07:06] <eeos> hi there. I would like to use qt4 along with qt3 on kubuntu 606
[07:06] <RogueX> Hello everyone
[07:07] <DaSkreech> toxicfume: Ah yes. They are the sources
[07:07] <RogueX> Does anyone know where Kjots stores it's data?  I want to back it up.
[07:07] <toxicfume> DaSkreech: ah okay, in that case, if i dont do any development, i wouldn't need them right?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> You can apt-get the source code for a program. If you are never going to do that don't bother to add those
[07:07] <superman007> toxicfume. no you dont need them
[07:07] <DaSkreech> toxicfume: That's a safe assumption
[07:07] <toxicfume> DaSkreech: thanks, that's all i wanted to know :)
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Thanks I'll be here tilll lunch!
[07:08] <toxicfume> okay, i'll probably bother you again then :P
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> hmm... k3b can burn .Bin/Cue  cant it?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> !cue
[07:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about cue - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:09] <DaSkreech> toxicfume: Please do :)
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_Willis, you can use bchunk to make an iso out of bin/cu
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> cue
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> yea - but i sware i used just k3b once for the burning job
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> not sure if k3b called bchunk or not
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no its a package
[07:11] <superman007> k3b is just a frontend to cdrecord
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo a sudo apt=get install bchunk and then run bchunk from commandline
[07:11] <coachj> is ir as complicated as it sounds to get 3d working on ati cards?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> trivial
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> lol
[07:13] <coachj> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[07:13] <coachj> try that for K3b
[07:16] <coachj>  is it as complicated as it sounds to get 3d working on ati cards?
[07:17] <dev_> ##debian
[07:17] <eeos> !qt
[07:17] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[07:17] <eeos> !qt4
[07:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about qt4 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:18] <eeos> !qtdesigner
[07:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about qtdesigner - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:18] <jkeel> why would Adept be telling me that it can't apply changes when I try to upgrade from the default KDE from the install CD to the newest kde 3.5.4 (using the kubuntu.org repo as listed on the website)?
[07:20] <jkeel> anyone else having this problem? ^
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> let me try. :P
[07:21] <coachj> I had no problem with it.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> whats the sources.list line you are using?
[07:22] <grothesk> jkeel: Use CLI.
[07:22] <jkeel> Dr_Willis: deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.4/kubuntu dapper main
[07:23] <jkeel> grotesk: I tried. lemme do it again and tell you what it said to me
[07:23] <grothesk> Then you will may be see that there are some pachages being held back.
[07:23] <anil> is it possible to install kernel 2.6.17 right now?
[07:23] <jkeel> anil: I'm wondering the same thing..
[07:24] <jkeel> grothesk: some pkgs are being held back... kdeaddons, artwork, pim, utils, sdk. What do I need to do to correct it?
[07:24] <anil> it apparently fixes some issue with my laptop..
[07:24] <jkeel> anil: mine too.. PB G4 12"
[07:24] <anil> hmmm
[07:24] <jkeel> grothesk: the specific msg from apt-get is 'The following packages have unmet deps'
[07:25] <grothesk> jkeel: start wiht 'sudo apt-get install package1 package2
[07:25] <jkeel> grothesk: why do all that? Shouldn't this "just work"?
[07:26] <mig_> what's the best graphical application for taking care of partitions?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> gparted,qtparted
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> depends on what ya mean by 'taking care of.'
[07:26] <grothesk> jkeel: Some packages are renamed.
[07:26] <mig_> er. manage - I have some unpartitioned space I need to use
[07:26] <grothesk> kdelibs-data iirc.
[07:26] <zered> good bye, i have to eat
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> darn them for renaming packages! :P
[07:27] <mig_> :)
[07:27] <jkeel> grothesk: now I get more errors. 'Depends: kaddressbook-plugins >=3.5.4 but is not going to be installed'
[07:27] <grothesk> jkeel: Which package do you try to install?
[07:27] <jkeel> grothesk: I guess just try apt-get'ting all those packages independently?
[07:28] <jkeel> grothesk: kde
[07:28] <jkeel> the meta-pkg
[07:28] <mads> hi
[07:28] <grothesk> Yes, you need to install them independently.
[07:28] <grothesk> kde-meta-pkg is broken afterwards I guess.
[07:29] <jkeel> broken afterwards?
[07:29] <soulrider> hey everyone
[07:30] <grothesk> jkeel: kde-meta-pkg is not installable in kde 3.5.4.
[07:30] <neuron> have any of you got teamspeak installed and working?
[07:30] <grothesk> Why should it... It's just a meta-pkg.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> well installing/upgrading 141 packages... :P
[07:33] <jkeel> anil: did you find an answer about getting 2.6.17 installed?
[07:33] <anil> well i haven't looked for it yet...
[07:33] <anil> let me search
[07:34] <harmental> is qtparted a option to play around with ntfs and ext2/3 partitions?
[07:34] <harmental> i mean a GOOD option...
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> its a front end to parted.. it can resize ntfs i think
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> but its best to backup/defrag/scandisk the ntfs befor and after using the tools on it
[07:35] <harmental> so...it doesnt replace partition magic?
[07:35] <jkeel> unix_infidel: know anything better?
[07:35] <harmental> unix_infidel: whats your story?
[07:35] <unix_infidel> harmental: 160GB of data gone in a matter of seconds.
[07:36] <unix_infidel> i keep backups....they are like diapers.
[07:36] <DaSkreech> How do  I get a change log from apt-get?
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> I make it a point to never use partition magic any more. :) after it screwed up on me totally.
[07:36] <unix_infidel> jkeel: plain ole parted or cfdisk.
[07:36] <neuron> ave any of you made teamspeak to work?
[07:36] <harmental> unix_infidel: ok...that was for the ntfs partition? or all of them??
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> for my needs parted/qtparted/gparted does everything that Partition magic does. and better in many ways
[07:36] <harmental> Dr_Willis: have you tried it over nfts?
[07:36] <neuron_> have any of you made teamspeak to work?
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Ive used qt_parted to resize/shrink ntfs file systems befor
[07:37] <unix_infidel> same....
[07:37] <unix_infidel> it works fine...i just make sure you have backups and their respective scripts handy
[07:37] <harmental> Dr_Willis: i wanna do that!
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> harmental,  there ya go then. :P
[07:38] <harmental> i dont care much for the data on the ntfs partition....so wont backup....but it would really bother me to loose ext2 / 3 data...
[07:39] <jkeel> anil: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217657
[07:39] <jkeel> anil: look good ^
[07:40] <anil> hmm google threw up bug reports
[07:40] <oklinux> any one use google earth in linux ?
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> Hard drives can die at any time... anything not backed up :) even NOW as we speak.. is data at risk.
[07:40] <jkeel> oklinux: sometimes
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> ive lerned that the hard way.
[07:40] <oklinux> what kind of video card do you need to make it work jkeel ?
[07:41] <jkeel> oklinux: the online version, no the downloaded client. sorry :)
[07:41] <oklinux>  hello Dr_willis long time no see
[07:41] <anil> oklinux: it wokred fine on my FX5200
[07:41] <jkeel> oklinux: but my friend uses it, and he's got an ATI Radeon card on a laptop
[07:41] <jkeel> or maybe not radeon, but some ati card
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> hi oklinux .
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> oklinux,  been on dayshift for a week. :P
[07:41] <oklinux> I just got a regular video card nothing special
[07:42] <oklinux> I need to change video card
[07:42] <harmental> resize option for ntfs is greyed....
[07:42] <harmental> why is that?
[07:43] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: I have used google earth on linux (if you install it with sudo it runs once as root and you have to delete .googlearth (I think it is) before you can run it as a user
[07:43] <jkeel> harmental: possibly you don't have ntfs tools installed to do ntfs resizing?
[07:44] <harmental> jkeel: ok...didnt know that....
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> h3sp4wn,  never ran it as a root. :P heh.
[07:44] <harmental> ill check...
[07:44] <harmental> am i a looking for a particular package?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> I always use the various parted-enabled live cd's to redo my drives.
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> i find it safer that way :P
[07:45] <steveire> Has anyone had shipit cds sent to germany and how long might it take?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> How do  I get a change log for a package from apt-get?
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Just use apt-listchanges
[07:46] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Thanks
[07:48] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Is that apt-list or apt-get list?
[07:51] <harmental> one more thing....has anybody tried to resize a VISTA ntfs partition with linux?
[07:51] <harmental> that would kinda extreme
[07:51] <jkeel> harmental: is there a difference between VISTA ntfs and XP ntfs?
[07:52] <harmental> dont know....
[07:52] <jkeel> harmental: if VISTA claims it's an ntfs, I doubt it's changed any
[07:52] <harmental> jkeel: but ive read some spooky stories about messing up with vista...
[07:52] <jkeel> ah
[07:52] <jkeel> maybe there are changes, then... you know MS ;)
[07:53] <harmental> jkeel: me too....but wanted to check if anyone had tried...
[07:53] <jkeel> harmental: so you're running Vista?
[07:54] <gnomefreak> anyone have kxdocker working and can give me thier config file
[07:54] <harmental> dual boot VISTA / KUBUNTU....
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I just have it installed and get the change logs whenever I install a new package I have never actually used it interactively but I think it can be used that way (the executable is apt-listchanges)
[07:54] <harmental> but dont really use vista....
[07:55] <jkeel> harmental: anything breaktaking new improvements? :D
[07:55] <harmental> i gave it a try because i needed matlab....and i though..hey what the heck...lets give good old gates a try...
[07:55] <harmental> nah.....the "continue" windows are REALLY annoying...
[07:56] <harmental> now that i got matlab 2006a (for windows!) turning on linux i barely boot on vista
[07:56] <harmental> grpahics are nice but hungry for resources.....
[07:57] <harmental> overall...if you set the xp interface you dont really see a big difference....a liiiiiiiiiiiitle bit slower maybe...
[07:57] <jkeel> heh
[07:58] <harmental> i wanted to give ms a last opportunity before shutting it up for good.....
[07:59] <harmental> never coming back....
[07:59] <jkeel> harmental: yeah, I made that decision a long time ago :)
[07:59] <jkeel> Win98 era
[07:59] <harmental> even matlab for windows run faster on linux!
[07:59] <jkeel> lol
[07:59] <oklinux> harmental new nick name for windows hasta la vista baby
[07:59] <excitatory> so i hate adept, and never use it...so i purged the 'adept' package.. but now still, the adept notifier still shows up..  how do i get rid of it?  (see no other adept-related packages)
[07:59] <harmental> jeje...
[07:59] <farous> harmental: you run matlab through wine or vimware
[07:59] <harmental> wine....
[07:59] <farous> harmental: for this is my main prob matlab
[08:00] <farous> harmental: which wine and do you have a link for configuration?
[08:00] <harmental> farous: look at my post at wine database...
[08:00] <harmental> farous: im phantom...
[08:00] <harmental> whats your release?
[08:00] <farous> harmental: i had it running with the old wine when i was running mandrake 9. I can not configure it anymore now
[08:01] <ubuntu> i have a problem, how can i every start ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex half automatickle
[08:01] <harmental> farous: are you using 2006a?
[08:01] <farous> harmental: wine from repos matlab is an od one i think 12 or 13 let me check
[08:02] <ubuntu> i have a problem, how can i every start ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 duplex half automatickle
[08:03] <harmental> farous: didnt try R12 nor R13 just 2006a....my wine is 0.9.18
[08:04] <farous> harmental: will check your post
[08:04] <harmental> farous: hope it helps!
[08:04] <farous> thanx you have been more then helpful
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: edit /etc/network/interfaces - in the eth0 section put 'pre-up athtool -s speed 10 duplex half'
[08:05] <farous> harmental: it is at winehq database right
[08:05] <harmental> farous: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=49
[08:06] <farous> thanx :)
[08:06] <farous> ah you have much newer release then mine :)
[08:07] <jorge____> hi, can anyone help me?, im trying to modprobe -r bluetooth but it says it is in use, what should i do?
[08:07] <farous> jorge____: lsmod |grep bluetooth
[08:07] <farous> see what is using it
[08:08] <jorge____> farous: ok, thank you i'll do it
[08:08] <DaSkreech> !paste
[08:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:09] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Can You check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20125 for me?
[08:10] <jorge____> bluetooth       49892 3 l2cap
[08:10] <jorge____> sudo modprobe -r l2cap ; FATAL: Module l2cap is in use
[08:10] <jorge____> sudo lsmod | grep l2cap
[08:10] <jorge____> l2cap    26244 2
[08:11] <farous> jorge____: do not remove modules that you do not know what they do
[08:11] <jorge____> bluetooth   49892 3 l2cap
[08:11] <farous> you have to do a little bit of research
[08:11] <Shinzetsu>  I see an icon with a lock next to it, how do I unlock that?
[08:11] <jorge____> farous : ok thanks, lol
[08:11] <farous> jorge____: is there a specific reason you want to remove it
[08:11] <farous> normally people are looking for modules not are trying to remove them
[08:12] <steveire> Shinzetsu: sudo chmod 755 file I guess. could be 777 depends on the file and what you want to do.
[08:14] <farous> lol i have matlab for linux but it only runs on kernel 2.4 :(
[08:14] <Shinzetsu> steveire: tried 755 and 777 and its still locked
[08:14] <draik> Has anyone ever heard of or seen someone put a computer inside of a car on the dash that had Linux and it controlled a few things (car-related)?
[08:14] <Shinzetsu> wait nevemrind
[08:14] <steveire> what do you get for that file when you ls -al in that directory?
[08:14] <trappist> draik: I saw it on tv once.  it was in a black trans-am I think.
[08:15] <steveire> Shinzetsu: Why never mind?
[08:15] <trappist> Shinzetsu: don't do 777.
[08:15] <draik> trappist, that is my dream car... Knight Rider... KITT (Knight Industries Two Thousand)... and it was on sale for $80,000 USD for the original
[08:15] <Shinzetsu> 1 sec
[08:15] <natan-> i can't telnet out of port 6000, can anyone give me any ideas why?
[08:15] <trappist> draik: a bargain!
[08:16] <Shinzetsu> i try to add a cd drive in wine, i hit apply and ok and when I check the folder I see it with a lock next to it, and when I go back to winecfg its gone
[08:16] <draik> trappist, I'm accepting donations!!!!
[08:16] <Shinzetsu> natan-: closed?
[08:18] <tobberoth> Anyone who can help me with the following fdisk error? "Warning: invalid flag 0x6d42 of partition table 7 will be corrected by w(rite)"
[08:18] <Shinzetsu> steveire, trappist: i try to add a cd drive in wine, i hit apply and ok and when I check the folder I see it with a lock next to it, and when I go back to winecfg its gone
[08:19] <steveire> I don't know Shinzetsu. I've never used wine
[08:19] <Shinzetsu> steveire: hm ok
[08:19] <Shinzetsu> maybe ill just have to reinstall it
[08:20] <farous> Shinzetsu: how did you add the cdrom
[08:20] <Shinzetsu> farous: using winecfg
[08:20] <Shinzetsu> farous: ill just reinstall
[08:20] <farous> Shinzetsu: do it manually go to your .wine dir
[08:20] <farous> cd dosdevices
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Looks like its not working - hmmm (I have used it before but only with debian unstable) - Unfortunately I don't have a box with any varient of ubuntu on it at the moment (waiting for a new harddisk to arrive)
[08:32] <rosh1182> how do you get ivman running in kubuntu
[08:34] <DaSkreech> draik: I did It was called route 66  I think
[08:35] <draik> huh?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> The Car with Linux in the dasjboard controlling the stuff
[08:38] <draik> DaSkreech, URL?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> *shrugs* That was years ago it's probably down now
[08:39] <syke> hi
[08:39] <syke> I'm having some trouble running adept after a recent upgrade:
[08:39] <syke> adept: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:40] <syke> I've tried manually re-installing dpkg, dselect, apt, etc
[08:40] <syke> still no dice
[08:40] <syke> any ideas?
[08:40] <Truemmel> hi
[08:40] <DaSkreech> tried reinstalling the package?
[08:40] <syke> yes. I get this error:
[08:40] <syke>  adept depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11; however:
[08:40] <syke>   Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 is not installed.
[08:41] <Truemmel> which irc client do you use
[08:41] <Truemmel> ?
[08:41] <syke> uh
[08:41] <syke> Konversation
[08:41] <syke> why?
[08:41] <Truemmel> which is best/easiest. thanks
[08:41] <Ademan_> yuck, konversation
[08:42] <Truemmel> me too. first time
[08:43] <Ademan_> hey does anyone know why clicking on evolution links doesnt open up a browser at that address? is it a problem with gnome's equivalent of the klauncher?
[08:43] <Johncro13> captain's log: day 4 of chatroom help request.
[08:43] <harmental> konversation is quite easy....ive tried mirc for windows really cool but dont know if there is a linux version....
[08:43] <Ademan_> i think mirc is the worst of the IRC clients
[08:43] <Ademan_> Xchat is my favorite
[08:44] <Truemmel> konversation seems good. mirc is a mess (complicated)
[08:44] <ubuntu> Hi! I want to use kubuntu in russian since I try to learn this language. So I chose that language in the installer, but when I run the Live CD, the installation is still in english. So what do I have to do to run it in Russian?
[08:45] <Johncro13> about to pose question for what seems to be the 10th time.  we are hopeful that a simple and swift answer may appear this time around, but we remain prepared for the worst...
[08:45] <Ademan_> ubuntu: are you using the install disk or the livecd installer?
[08:45] <sigg3> trying to install something and get this message:
[08:45] <sigg3> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[08:45] <sigg3> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:45] <ubuntu> the live CD
[08:46] <sigg3> says I need GTK+ 2.6 but I've got 2.8 already:)
[08:46] <ubuntu> I m not installing it, just run the live cd in live mode
[08:46] <Truemmel> is ther a way to permanently change the wifi mac adress ?
[08:46] <Johncro13> hi, everyone, I'm having a simple problem with WPA_Supplicant.  is there anyone here who might be able to help?
[08:47] <Truemmel> something like ifconfig hw ether x:x:x, but permanent
[08:47] <Ademan> ubuntu: if you choose russian, kubuntu will be in russian AFTER your install.  But also, in my opinion gnome is more cross-language than kde
[08:47] <Bazzi> Johncro13: might be, if you ask the actual question
[08:47] <Johncro13> thankyou, Bazzi.
[08:49] <Johncro13> when I try to get wpa supplicant up and running as per numerous howto guides, I get a dependancy error stating that libc6 needs to be configured.
[08:49] <ubuntu> aha. so there is not much I can do. downloading a whole CD (getting ubuntu) here in Russia is quite expensive. I pay per megabyte, no flat rate.
[08:49] <Truemmel> is there a way to permanently change the wifi mac adress ? rt2500 device
[08:49] <BluesKaj> I'm looking for a source for Azureus with the all the dependencies included ...the tar.bz2 file doesn't have them
[08:49] <Bazzi> Johncro13: a-ha can you paste the exact message you get?
[08:49] <BluesKaj> !azureus
[08:49] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[08:50] <Johncro13> sorry, wish I could, but I'm dual-booting and am only able to get online in XP.
[08:50] <Bazzi> hmmm
[08:50] <Bazzi> BluesKaj: you mean SWT?
[08:51] <Johncro13> I can tell you, however, that there is no error code.  It just stated that libc6 needs to be configured.
[08:51] <sigg3> anyone have any tips?
[08:51] <anil> i just enabled multiverse but there's no w32codecs
[08:52] <Bazzi> Johncro13: cannot help you easily with that. maybe a dpkg -r libc6 fixes it, and/or try an aptitude install libc6-dev maybe the headers are just missing
[08:52] <Johncro13> if I knew what command to run to do just that, I think I'd be sailing smoothly by now.
[08:52] <AndyGee> hello
[08:52] <Johncro13> that is possible, bazzi
[08:52] <Bazzi> best bet is to try those two and come back if it fails..
[08:53] <Johncro13> however, since all my repos are on the web, would aptitude not work?
[08:53] <AndyGee> i cant get mp3's to play on this is there a problem?? im sorry but in new to this
[08:53] <steveire> !mp3
[08:53] <Glin|Jol> Winamp 5.24 paused
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:54] <Bazzi> Johncro13: don't you have the CD ready?
[08:54] <AndyGee> ah thanks
[08:54] <Bazzi> should be on it
[08:54] <Johncro13> I do. but I didn't see a reference to the cd on sources.list
[08:54] <Midspeed> hi everybody, i got a question, does anybodyk now of a program called LKL???
[08:54] <Johncro13> does that not matter?
[08:55] <Midspeed> hi everybody, i got a question, does anybodyk now of a program called LKL???
[08:56] <Truemmel> how do i change channels in konversation?
[08:56] <Bazzi> Johncro13: there should be a reference to it though :(
[08:56] <ubuntu> LKL is a userspace keylogger that runs under Linux on the x86 architechture. LKL sniffs and logs everything that passes through the hardware keyboard port
[08:56] <ubuntu> that was directed at Midspeed
[08:56] <ubuntu> it was among the first five results google gave me
[08:56] <Johncro13> LKL is a keylogger.
[08:56] <Midspeed> thanks ubuntu, now can you please tell me if you know how to configure it
[08:56] <Johncro13> http://www.google.com/search?hs=dTD&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&q=%22LKL%22+linux&btnG=Search
[08:56] <Midspeed> or how to get it to work
[08:57] <mightypea> i just ran a search mate, sorry. i'd never heard of it in my life
[08:57] <Johncro13> Bazzi, I appreciate your help.  I will reboot and try now.
[08:57] <Midspeed> does anybody here know how to run it or configure it, or make it work?
[08:58] <BluesKaj> Bazzi, what's SWT ?
[08:58] <Johncro13> midspeed, I don't think that this is the appropriate chat room for third-party linux programs like that.
[08:58] <Johncro13> sorry.
[08:58] <BluesKaj> !SWT
[08:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about SWT - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:59] <mightypea> Is there anyone around that would care to help a complete beginner get wine installed? i tried adding the universe and official winehq reps, but get an error on both
[08:59] <rosh1182> where are the kernel config files located?
[08:59] <Johncro13> surely LKL must have its own website and chat rooms.
[08:59] <Johncro13> mightypea, I might be able to help.
[08:59] <mightypea> all the results i get upon searching for wine (in synaptic) are the dummies
[08:59] <Johncro13> are you using dapper repos?
[09:00] <mightypea> yes
[09:00] <rosh1182> the ubuntu wiki says in a debian/ARCH directory, but I am not sure where the debian directory is
[09:00] <Bazzi> BluesKaj: "The" dependency of Azureus.
[09:00] <mightypea> is it maybe because synaptic isn't listed under the kde suite in adept? is it compatible with kde?
[09:00] <BluesKaj> ok , where do I find them , Bazzi ?
[09:01] <Johncro13> mightypea, follow these instructions: http://winehq.com/site/download-deb
[09:01] <Midspeed> sorry for bothering johncro13, but thanks anyways, i found what i was looking for in some forum
[09:01] <Midspeed> bye everyone
[09:01] <Bazzi> BluesKaj: what do you want to do with Azureus? build yourself from source?
[09:01] <mightypea> I have, and i can't get beyond the first step, because it wont recognise the reps, or at least it states (upon reloading) that it cant find anything
[09:02] <Johncro13> hmmm....
[09:02] <mightypea> and i checked the number of avaiable packages in the bottom left corner, and this stays the same
[09:02] <Johncro13> can you open synaptic now?
[09:02] <excitatory> i'm having strange dpkg errors when attempting to install anything.  Here is an excerpt of the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20136
[09:02] <mightypea> will do (it's reinstalling)
[09:03] <Johncro13> and you refresh every time you go in to manage repos?
[09:03] <mightypea> i'm there, and i'll try these steps again
[09:03] <mightypea> yup
[09:03] <Johncro13> okie dokey.
[09:03] <Johncro13> goodbye, all.
[09:03] <excitatory> later
[09:04] <ubuntu___> hey guys anyone using a mac with kubuntu?
[09:04] <BluesKaj> just install ,, I dL'd azureus from their site tar.bz2 file and installed or thought I did using the tar xvjf cmd but when i checked in synaptic it wasn't installed , so I tried to from there and i came with missing dependencies
[09:04] <mightypea> i just get "Could not download all repository indexes" on reloading
[09:05] <mightypea> "http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found"
[09:05] <mightypea> might it be because of my 64bit kubuntu?
[09:05] <ubuntu> I just asked a question about using kubuntu in live mode in russian, which did not work after choosing that language at boot time. I was told it would only work after installing (which I don t want to do). Well, it works fine with French. So there seems to be a PROBLEM with the Russian version.
[09:06] <BluesKaj> is there an Azureus/java source I can add to the sources list and thereby get it thru adept or synaptic with all the dependencies bundled in
[09:07] <jkeel> ubuntu___: I am using a Mac
[09:07] <ubuntu___> im using a mac and installed kubuntu, boot yaboot wouldnt boot kubuntu
[09:07] <ubuntu___> how can I get it to boot so I can fix yaboot.conf?
[09:08] <ubuntu___> im using the live cd right now
[09:08] <nalioth> ubuntu___: at the chime, hold the alt-option key and click on tux
[09:08] <jkeel> ubuntu___: hmm. Any error msgs about why yaboot wouldn't boot?
[09:08] <jkeel> nalioth: what does the alt key do?
[09:09] <excitatory> strange dpkg error that has me quite puzzled: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20136
[09:09] <nalioth> jkeel: macs do not boot like PCs do.  holding the alt-option key on a mac right after the chime will show you all bootable items and allow you to choose one
[09:09] <Argail> Hello all
[09:09] <excitatory> lo
[09:09] <Argail> I have kubuntu about 24 hours installed and i am trying to make my webcam to work on kopete
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: FYI just in case you wanted to know and didn't: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:09] <ubuntu___> no the screen just goes grey
[09:10] <Argail> it is a Logitech Webcam Chat model
[09:10] <Argail> I can see it working on settings->devices and it has a better image than on my windows,but i dont have an option on my menus to show it to my friends,any ideas?
[09:10] <nalioth> ubuntu___: give it a minute or two
[09:10] <ubuntu___> yaboot is there but pressing l for linux wont
[09:10] <ubuntu___> I think the partition is setup wrong
[09:11] <ubuntu___> in yaboot.conf
[09:11] <excitatory> Argail: #kopete is probably the best place to ask, but perhaps someone can help here..
[09:11] <ubuntu___> I was hoping I could fix it from the live cd
[09:11] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: Oh, i didn't know that, that at least gets rid of the flash problem :D
[09:11] <mightypea> cheers
[09:11] <Argail> oh sorry,didnt new there are other rooms,as i said i have Kubuntu(and linux in general)for about 24 hours now :)
[09:12] <Ireclan> How much should I know about working from the command line?
[09:12] <mightypea> i think i'll give automatix a go though, that seems to work on 64, AND installs java
[09:12] <nalioth> mightypea: i'd be careful doing that
[09:13] <mightypea> Is there much that can go wrong?
[09:13] <nalioth> !tell mightypea about restricted
[09:13] <nalioth> mightypea: it can break your box
[09:13] <alkali> Hey all, I know I'm missing something minor but I transferred music non-root through konqueror and set it in my home folder but trying to play it gives me nothing.  Just skips all the songs.  Will adding users to my fstab for windows do it right?
[09:13] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: don't use automatrix unless you want to spend time fixing things
[09:13] <Agios> alkali: missing codecs?
[09:13] <nalioth> ubuntu___: yes, it is possible to edit the yaboot.conf from the liveCD
[09:13] <ubuntu___> cool
[09:14] <alkali> Agios: you're a genius.  I forgot mp3 format wasn't standard
[09:14] <mightypea> ah, thanks again, guys. It just came up when i ran a search on the ubuntuforums, using the error message synaptic gives me (concerning wine)
[09:14] <Agios> nah, happened to me too :)
[09:14] <mightypea> wow, what a sentence, heh
[09:14] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: if you want your media player to play mp3 etc using the codecs then that also needs to be installed as a 32 bit version too
[09:14] <ubuntu___> when I click on storage media menu it wont let me mount any of my drives
[09:14] <ubuntu___> brb
[09:14] <alkali> Agios: What package did you get?
[09:15] <mightypea> didn't canonical get a license to include mp3 though? i was surprised it didn't work out of the box
[09:15] <Agios> I don't remember now.
[09:15] <mightypea> I'm quite sure i read something about it on osnews
[09:15] <alkali> Its all good I'll search for it
[09:15] <alkali> thanks, that would have driven me crazy with permissions :)
[09:15] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I use amaroK xine engine & libxine-extracodecs for mp3 etc
[09:15] <Agios> np
[09:16] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: also installed w32codecs for good measure too :-)
[09:17] <mightypea> hang on, are you saying there's a way to play mp3's out of the box using a different rendering engine?
[09:17] <mightypea> i should probably mention i just started using kubuntu today-ish
[09:18] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: not 'out of the box' had to install the codecs
[09:18] <TheGateKeeper> !libxine-extracodecs > mightypea
[09:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about libxine-extracodecs  - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:19] <TheGateKeeper> !libxine-extracodec > mightypea
[09:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about libxine-extracodec  - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:19] <Chris7mas> !libxine-extracodecs
[09:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about libxine-extracodecs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:20] <mightypea> let's google :D
[09:21] <mightypea> hahaha. automatix installs it. Is there actually something automatix can do to fry my machine, or rather only linux?
[09:21] <mightypea> Since my install is an hour old, that wouldn't be too much of an issue. And as for the dodgyness behind the codecs, cant you opt not to install these?
[09:22] <coachj> which driver should I use to get 3d with the ATI Radon 9000 PRO?
[09:23] <alkali> One more question before a kernel compile.  I always feel that even though I choose Pentium 4 in the xconfig panel when I make the kernel it always has i386 in the name.  Is it compiling right?
[09:23] <alkali> coachj: what kernel are you running?
[09:23] <mightypea> you guys are heroes for wanting to tackle all these questions, btw
[09:24] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I don't use automatrix so no idea, all I know is that it causes problems, and people come in here asking for answers, prefer to install one bit at a time so I know what is going on
[09:24] <coachj> 2.6.15-386
[09:25] <mightypea> A sensible approach, i guess. Especially if you plan to get up to speed with your os, rather than take the easy way
[09:25] <KrAsE> Why in kubuntu I can't launch the graphical app's from command line?
[09:25] <alkali> coachcoacoachj I recommmend using the ati drivers from the website from personal experience and following the guide in the wiki.  Or if you're less brave go the .deb with fglrx which has a walkthrough also.
[09:25] <alkali> wow, didn't mean for that to happen
[09:25] <KrAsE> always appear can't open display or similar
[09:26] <mightypea> I just found a script by kilz as a possible solution for my problem (it's to do with my 64bit kubuntu, it seems), is that a common source of problems?
[09:26] <coachj> alkai:you mean the ubuntu wiki
[09:26] <alkali> coachj: yes
[09:26] <alkali> I can link it if you need me to
[09:27] <coachj> alkali:the ATI site?
[09:27] <coachj> yes please
[09:27] <alkali> coachj: only get the drivers from the ati site.  download I think the 8.27 version.  I'll grab the link for the wiki walkthrough
[09:28] <KrAsE> in debian for example I haven't never problems whit this...
[09:28] <KrAsE> :)
[09:28] <coachj> thank you
[09:29] <alkali> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[09:29] <coachj> thaks again
[09:29] <alkali> not a problem
[09:29] <obf213> anyone know how to make a simple program in C using kdevelop
[09:30] <alkali> Does anyone know if you choose the type of processor in xconfig if it compiles it for that Arch specifically?  Like the entire kernel built for p4?
[09:33] <alkali> I could trial and error it :)
[09:35] <Ireclan> So, how much should I know about using the command line?
[09:38] <trappist> Ireclan: the more the better
[09:39] <trappist> alexicon: yes
[09:40] <Ireclan> Any good tutorials on using the command line?
[09:41] <Sanne> Ireclan: did you see this? Next up is the command line: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[09:42] <KrAsE> ireclan: what is your level of command line?
[09:43] <Ireclan> I only know about 90% of what the Kubuntu Desktop Guide says.
[09:45] <brandon_> anybody play enemy territory?
[09:45] <KrAsE> I start wiht bash on www.tuxfiles.org, very good
[09:45] <KrAsE> for start
[09:45] <Ireclan> Specifically, I know "ls", "mkdir", and "cd".
[09:46] <Ireclan> But that's all I know for sure.
[09:46] <natan-> where is the x11 setup for disabling port 6000
[09:47] <KrAsE> see tuxfiles
[09:47] <draik> Ireclan, here is a link for linux commands http://www.ss64.com/bash/index.html
[09:48] <fdoving> natan-: in kdmrc, if you use KDM. that would be /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, search for -tcp.
[09:51] <ben> hey all, I'm having some problems with Openoffice and printing. Here's the problem : When i look in System Settings > Printers all printers just show up nicely. When I try to print from a KDE app it also works. Only Openoffice is giving me some problems since the printers don't show up there. Openoffice only lists the Generic printer
[09:53] <excitatory> argh.. every time kde mounts a data cd, i can't ever get it to umount or eject.. it always says the device is busy..but as far as i can tell, nothing is using it?  maybe a lost kio-slave?
[09:56] <ben> excitatory, you could have a look at the process table and see which processes are trying to access your cd. Make sure they are killed before you try to unmount the cd
[09:56] <Blissex> also use 'lsof' to check that.
[09:58] <Ireclan> Thankyou, KrAsE.
[09:59] <rosh1182> does anyone know how to properly set up ivman in kubuntu?
[10:00] <korgans> no so8nd in wolfensten :(
[10:00] <korgans> sound *
[10:01] <Argail> is there something similar to the windows task manager on kubuntu?and how do i start it?
[10:01] <korgans> Why my sound dont work it does on linux kde based game
[10:01] <rosh1182> Argail: ctrl+escape
[10:01] <korgans> system
[10:01] <korgans> kde system gaurd
[10:01] <Sanne> korgans: you may have to disable the kde sound server
[10:02] <korgans> how ?
[10:02] <TheHighChild> korgans: There is a workaround. I'll get a link for you, one sec
[10:02] <korgans> ok thx
[10:02] <Argail> rosh1182: thnx
[10:04] <TheHighChild> korgans: On this page, there are two echo commands. This is a teamspeak forum but the commands to run worked for me, you can try them out if you want/ http://forum.goteamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-5844.html
[10:04] <korgans> ok ;)
[10:04] <Sanne> korgans: I would still forst try to sidable the sound server, under Multimedia in kontrol center.
[10:05] <Sanne> *first try to disable*
[10:05] <rosh1182> does anyone know how to launch an X application based on a hal event
[10:06] <coachj> Krase: The Ati drivers at the ATI site are RPM can I use them?
[10:07] <narvik86> they are not rmp IMO
[10:07] <korgans> do it but say  spermission denied and when i try su wont work either when i enter password
[10:07] <anil> ok how the hell do i get direct rendering working using fglrx?
[10:07] <trappist> !ati > anil
[10:07] <anil> i followed that
[10:07] <korgans> what the kde sound server name
[10:08] <coachj> narvik86: what does that mean
[10:08] <Sanne> korgans: arts
[10:08] <narvik86> !ati > coachj
[10:08] <anil> doesn't give me direct rendering
[10:08] <narvik86> follow this guide
[10:08] <Sanne> korgans: if arts is running, the sound device may be blocked for programs that *don't* use the sound server, but want to access the sound device directly.
[10:09] <korgans> tried dotn work
[10:09] <korgans> And tried the work around and Su command dont work
[10:09] <korgans> Cannot enter super user mode
[10:10] <korgans> say my pasword wrong when its the right one
[10:10] <excitatory> how can i set the tree view in konqueror to be the global default, unless otherwise specified..
[10:11] <coachj> narvik86:that is how I got to the ROM drivers, I do not see .deb drivers
[10:11] <TheHighChild> korgans: type 'sudo -i' that will put you into a root session
[10:11] <korgans> ok thx
[10:11] <yeti> hi, i installed ubuntu on a reiserfs partition. after rebooting, grub says filesystem type unknown, could not mount. why? does the ubuntu-distributed grub not support reiserfs? if so, why could i chose to install on reiser in the first place?
[10:12] <TheHighChild> korgans: In case you didn't know, you can copy with ctrl + c out of an application and paste into the konsole with shift + insert
[10:12] <narvik86> coachj: what do you mean ROM, it is binnary file from ati site
[10:12] <coachj> RPM
[10:12] <anil> it still uses mesa
[10:12] <korgans> thx
[10:12] <narvik86> coachj: show me link
[10:13] <coachj> narvik86:https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[10:14] <TheHighChild> korgans: Just an FYI, my buddies made a new ET Mod called No Quarter, you can find it on our server here 82.165.190.77:27960
[10:14] <korgans> ok ;)
[10:15] <narvik86> coachj: where is rpm?
[10:15] <narvik86> :)
[10:15] <coachj> click on link, file is rpm according to conquorer
[10:16] <coachj> let me try using firefox
[10:16] <coachj> same files are RPM
[10:17] <korgans> now my wolf et say can load open gl
[10:17] <korgans> dont work anymore
[10:17] <korgans> lol
[10:17] <korgans> il try rebooting
[10:17] <TheHighChild> no
[10:17] <TheHighChild> wait
[10:17] <korgans> ok
[10:18] <TheHighChild> korgans: That error should also say 'try appending + blah blah blah' to the command line. Look for that, and paste it onto the command line. It will start
[10:18] <kickass331> could I have some help plz
[10:18] <korgans> Error couldn't open the X display
[10:18] <TheHighChild> kickass331: Dunno if I can help or not, what is your problem/.
[10:18] <korgans> ys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[10:19] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, what kinda mod is it?
[10:19] <kickass331> what packages do i need to get for these .o files?
[10:19] <coachj> narvik86: im right arn't I
[10:19] <narvik86> coachj: maybe am i blind :) i clicked your link, picked up linux display drivers, radeon 8500 series and higher (linux x86)
[10:19] <TheHighChild> SpAwN: It's new weapons and the such
[10:19] <SpAwN> TheHighChild, nice man ill defiantly have to check it out
[10:19] <SpAwN> ets my fav game ever
[10:19] <coachj> click on it and it show RPM
[10:20] <korgans> still dont work now my game seems broken lol
[10:20] <Sanne> kickass331: depends on the .O file :) What do you try to do, and what is the error message (if any)?
[10:20] <excitatory> how can i set the tree view in konqueror to be the global default, unless otherwise specified..
[10:21] <coachj> natvik86:click on it and it show RPM
[10:21] <TheHighChild> korgans: one minute, i am looking for something
[10:21] <korgans> ok
[10:21] <TheHighChild> korgans: First of all, do you have video drivers installed?
[10:22] <narvik86> coachj: ahhh, but i was talking about drivers for both xfree and xorg, this is above those 2 xfree.... rpm  and x.org....rpm
[10:22] <kickass331> libICE.so.6 ; libSM.so.6 ;libX11.so.6 ; libXext.so.6 ; libXpm.so.4 ; libXt.so.6 ; libatk-1.0.so.0 ; libc.so.6 ; libcairo.so.2 ; libdl.so.2 ; libgcc_s.so.1 ; libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 ; libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0; libglib-2.0.so.0
[10:22] <kickass331> more than that
[10:22] <korgans> my game was working fine with no sound 30 minute ago until i mess with the work around
[10:22] <korgans> my driver are installed yes
[10:22] <mightypea> I have run into a problem trying to install wine, following these instructions: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185557&highlight=wine+amd64
[10:22] <Sanne> kickass331: what command generates those messages?
[10:22] <kickass331> libgmodule-2.0.so.0 libgobject-2.0.so.0 libgthread-2.0.so.0
[10:22] <korgans> Was running better thn the windows version
[10:23] <coachj> narvik86: I thought that was the installer, not a driver
[10:23] <mightypea> where it says i should type./setup it doesn't recognise the cmd
[10:23] <kickass331> I'm trying to use the RPM for Mplayer-plugin
[10:23] <crimsun> why not use mozilla-mplayer in multiverse?
[10:23] <kickass331> I have GCC
[10:23] <mightypea> allthought the file setup does reside inside of this directory
[10:23] <Sanne> kickass331: please say my name so my chat client notifies me
[10:23] <fdoving> kickass331: use the search for files utility at http://packages.ubuntu.com to find the package names for each file.
[10:24] <Sanne> kickass331: listen to fdoving :)
[10:24] <TheHighChild> korgans:paste 'et +set r_allowSoftwareGL 1' into the konsole
[10:24] <narvik86> coachj: those files are also drivers IMO, but you have to choose between x.org and xfree, file .run has got both versions, and it is not rpm
[10:24] <mightypea> oh, i fixed it
[10:24] <fdoving> kickass331: is this the mozilla-mplayer plugin?
[10:25] <vranikx> hello all :D
[10:25] <coachj> not sure I understand, but ok. Why is so complicated to get 3d
[10:25] <narvik86> vranikx: hi
[10:25] <vranikx> :)
[10:25] <kosh> because the companies try and keep everything secret
[10:25] <vranikx> hello narvik86
[10:25] <kickass331> what
[10:25] <kickass331> I don't know what you're talking about
[10:25] <kosh> actually older ati cards and some other cards have 3d automatically since they are supported by open drivers
[10:26] <Sanne> coachj: because most 3D card manufacturers don't release free drivers that Ubuntu could legally include.
[10:26] <kickass331> MPlayerplug-in is mozilla exclusive
[10:26] <mightypea> how does one install the nvidia drivers?
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> !nvidia
[10:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <kickass331> I have the latest installed
[10:26] <kickass331> :P
[10:26] <mightypea> cheers!
[10:26] <narvik86> coachj: wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide here is guide that was good for me, method I
[10:26] <kickass331> yeah
[10:26] <kickass331> I run 3d stuff
[10:26] <kickass331> :D
[10:26] <kickass331> screensavers work too
[10:26] <kickass331> :D
[10:26] <coachj> ok
[10:27] <TheHighChild> Did that work for you Korgans?
[10:27] <fdoving> kickass331: using rpms on kubuntu is not advisable at all. You should seek to use the packages from the archives.
[10:27] <kickass331> but I already compiled mplayer-plugin and put the so and xpt files in my firefox
[10:27] <|lostbyte|> Hi !
[10:27] <vranikx> does anybody knows where will be kde4?
[10:27] <narvik86> |lostbyte|: hi
[10:27] <|lostbyte|> Guys, which filesystem do you have your linux installed on ?
[10:27] <vranikx> hello
[10:27] <narvik86> in the future :)
[10:27] <TheHighChild> ext3
[10:27] <vranikx> ext3
[10:27] <fdoving> vranikx: when it's done :)
[10:27] <|lostbyte|> narvik86, hi !
[10:28] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: ext3.
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: reiser3 - but
[10:28] <vranikx> narvik86: lol
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: Some people think its a bad idea
[10:28] <korgans> say command not found
[10:28] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, thats what, i want to know why ?
[10:28] <Sanne> |lostbyte|: I have ext3
[10:28] <narvik86> vranikx: what lol?
[10:28] <fdoving> |lostbyte|: i can recommend ext3 and xfs. reiser is not my fav. as i've lost some data with it.
[10:28] <aliasfred> q. is it just me or freenode got issue tonite ? like i cant connect or it takes much longer than usual
[10:29] <vranikx> narvik86: what you said about kde4
[10:29] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, why did you choose reiser over ext3 ?
[10:29] <korgans> ill try a reboot
[10:29] <korgans> thx
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: Apparantly it is easy for it to lose data in the event of a crash or power outage - however I haven't had any problems with it and the performance is a bit better
[10:29] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, Will note it.
[10:29] <roland17> oups i'm french ! it's possible in french??
[10:29] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, How much better ?
[10:29] <aliasfred> !fr
[10:29] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:30] <kickass331> help!
[10:30] <mightypea> err, if you apply changes to a live-cd, does it actually remember those changes when you install? no, right?
[10:30] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, Before you formated to it, what made you do it ?
[10:30] <roland17> thank you
[10:30] <TheHighChild> mightypea: no, everything is lost after reboot with Live CD
[10:30] <kickass331> I already compiled mplayerplug-in from the tar.gz and put the so and xpt files in my mozilla directories like it said
[10:30] <kickass331> but in firefox it says it wants to download a plugin
[10:30] <korgans> restarting the x server solved my game not running still no soun thought
[10:31] <mightypea> nono, i meant if it applies the changes you make IN the livecd, to the install when you click the icon on your desktop
[10:31] <mightypea> it just does a standard install regardless of what you do, i take it?
[10:31] <kickass331> live cds are not writable
[10:31] <kickass331> it's basic knowledge
[10:31] <korgans> Woot working now thx
[10:32] <korgans> :d
[10:32] <vranikx> korgans: what game? windows played in wine? or normally linux game?
[10:32] <kickass331> HELP!
[10:32] <|lostbyte|> fdoving, Any thing i have to keep in mind when formating to ext3 like special parameters you use, for its effective use ?
[10:33] <mightypea> it's basic knowledge, yes, but you fail to understand what i asked. In kubuntu you can click an install-button on your dekstop, and i wondered wether anything done in the live-cd actually made a difference as to how kubuntu was installed, For instance, changing your background: is the new one kept in the install?
[10:33] <TheHighChild> vranikx: Enemy Territory on Tux
[10:33] <mightypea> it;s not a terribly urgent question, i just hate being misunderstood :)
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: I just thought if its good enough to be the default filesystem for suse enterprise linux - then it will probably be ok for me and faster (I read some articles about it) - anything important I have is backed up to a freebsd machine anyway
[10:33] <trappist> kickass331: once you call the answer to somebody's question "basic knowledge", I think you forfeit the privilege of getting free support yourself.
[10:34] <Hawkwind> kickass331: There are writable live CD's actually.  Several of them
[10:34] <Hawkwind> trappist: Hah!
[10:34] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, ok, thanks for the info.
[10:34] <vranikx> TheHighChild: hmm ,i tried it a long time ago and it worked with no problem
[10:34] <Hawkwind> trappist: I think I've seen you type that a time or 5 :)
[10:35] <trappist> especially if, as Hawkwind suggests, you're wrong :)
[10:35] <TheHighChild> vranikx: He seems to be up and running now at any rate
[10:35] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: I also in the past experienced noticably better performance of squid when running from a reiserfs partition
[10:35] <vranikx> TheHighChild  any rate? i dont understand
[10:35] <|lostbyte|> what are the disadvantage of having a complate, 40 GB patition ?
[10:35] <TheHighChild> vranikx: A stupid American expression
[10:36] <vranikx> hehe
[10:36] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: If you don't have a seperate /home partition.......then it makes upgrades much harder and next to impossible
[10:36] <vranikx> btw have also anybody problem like me with superkaramba errors?
[10:37] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, this is not a linux partion but simply an ext3 partion for Dumping stuff.
[10:37] <vranikx> sometimes superkaramba crashed
[10:37] <|lostbyte|> I have currently linux running on a 20 gb hd in the same pc.
[10:37] <korgans> linux
[10:37] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Ah, then nothing.  I have partitions that are in excess of 160GB or more
[10:37] <korgans> linux game
[10:37] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: I have one that is 450GB alone :)
[10:37] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, Wow.
[10:38] <|lostbyte|> Your the space man. :)
[10:38] <Hawkwind> I have nearly 700GB in this box itself
[10:38] <vranikx> heh me too
[10:38] <vranikx> :D
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> I think on a really big partition I may be tempted to use 2.6.18-rc(whatever) and XFS
[10:38] <|lostbyte|> :)
[10:39] <|lostbyte|> YOu guys need it, cause you do backup nearly everyday..
[10:39] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: I'm using 2.6.17.8 currently, and have used ReiserFS for years.  It's the only FS type I'll use
[10:39] <korgans> big partition are not a prob if ya got a swap partition
[10:39] <trappist> me too
[10:39] <korgans> afk thx guy
[10:39] <vranikx> btw know somebody if is call of duty 2 playable in linux?
[10:39] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, 3 reasone why you use Reiser over ext3 ?
[10:39] <trappist> big partitions aren't a problem with or without swap
[10:40] <Hawkwind> korgans: Swap doesn't really matter.  I have 2GB of RAM and 512MB of swap and it never gets touched, ever
[10:40] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Quicker, seems more reliable, and just something I've used for years
[10:40] <trappist> |lostbyte|: it uses my disk space very efficiently
[10:40] <trappist> you don't lose a whole block to store a 1-byte file
[10:41] <|lostbyte|> ok
[10:41] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Unfortunately, every FS has it's disadvantages, no matter how big/small they maybe they all have some
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: XFS performs better than reiser (if you are using it for alot of big files) - but its stability could be a problem
[10:41] <trappist> it's also quite fast
[10:41] <mightypea> how do you enable restricted copyright things in synaptic? This article mentions doing so in the repositories menu, but i see no option for it there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:41] <trappist> h3sp4wn: reiser is faster if you're dealing with a lot of small files :)
[10:41] <|lostbyte|> trappist, ok, i was looking for "reasons" like that.. cool.
[10:41] <kosh> the performance difference is pretty much squat though
[10:42] <Hawkwind> Reiser is super quick with small files.  Not too terribly slow with large files IMO
[10:42] <kosh> dealing with lots of small files and seeing a performance difference requires something like a heavily loaded squid proxy
[10:42] <|lostbyte|> h3sp4wn, ok, then thats a Negative.
[10:42] <mightypea> is this just a case of the article talking about an outdated version of synaptic?
[10:42] <kosh> for a normal desktop system reiserfs will not be faster then xfs, ext3, jfs etc
[10:42] <mightypea> Or perhaps the fact i use kubuntu, rather than ubuntu?
[10:42] <kosh> also I have NEVER seen stability problems with xfs
[10:42] <Argail> any suggestion for mp3 player i shoul use?
[10:42] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, When you say large file do you mean in GB's ?
[10:43] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Yes
[10:43] <|lostbyte|> Argail, amarok
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> |lostbyte|: Definately don't user reiserfs4 (I know people who have lost alot of data to that)
[10:43] <TheHighChild> Argail: amaroK is nice but very beefy
[10:43] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, humm. ok
[10:43] <|lostbyte|> TheHighChild, You know what, its beefy in alsa mode.
[10:43] <Argail> amarok isnt playing mp3's now,do ineed any add ons or codecs?
[10:43] <TheHighChild> |lostbyte|: I use Xine
[10:44] <TheHighChild> Argail: yes, you'll need to get proprietary codecs and probably the xine engine
[10:44] <h3sp4wn> kosh: I have seen people lose data to XFS (not on Irix though there its rock solid) - 2.6.18 has alot of XFS related fixes
[10:44] <|lostbyte|> Argail, two words, ugly and xine codecs.
[10:44] <kosh> |lostbyte|: actually even in the low GB range there is not much difference, however if you are normally dealing with 10GB to 200GB files then xfs will end up faster
[10:44] <|lostbyte|> TheHighChild, ok
[10:44] <kosh> h3sp4wn: that seems very strange, I have been using it for years on our database and web servers with no issues ever
[10:44] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: this is what I would suggest if you where running 32bit: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[10:45] <mightypea> i'm running into repos problems fucking constantly because of my ubuntu 64
[10:45] <kosh> h3sp4wn: and the databases would complain very quickly if they where corrupted
[10:45] <Argail> ok going to get them now
[10:45] <TheHighChild> |lostbyte|: By beefy, I meant it's not a light player like xmms, it's a full music cataloging system
[10:45] <|lostbyte|> kosh, comapring, ext3 reiser and xfs, which on will be good with 1000 MB file ?
[10:45] <Hawkwind> mightypea: Easy on the language please :)
[10:45] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: again, it's giving me an error, telling me it can't find the repos, but it's looking in a dir called amd64
[10:46] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: that would work for apt-get, adept or synaptic which are just GUI package managers that use apt-get
[10:46] <mightypea> oh, sorry about that Hawkwind
[10:46] <|lostbyte|> TheHighChild, oh, ok. i took that like in BAD, cause i dont like beef :P
[10:46] <Argail> |lostbyte|: i have the amarok-xine where can i find ugly?
[10:46] <kosh> |lostbyte|: no real difference for that size, ext3 and xfs have better recovery tools then reiser does though with ext3 probably having the best fs recovery tools
[10:46] <TheHighChild> Argail: To get mp3 working http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[10:46] <kosh> |lostbyte|: personally I would just go with ext3
[10:46] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: pastebin your etc/apt/sources.list please
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> kosh, Intresting.
[10:47] <mightypea> i enabled what i needed to though, TheGateKeeper, will your guide make sure it searches in the general directory, rather than amd64?
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> kosh, :)
[10:47] <mightypea> hang on
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> Argail, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[10:47] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: the url will work on a 32bit installation
[10:47] <|lostbyte|> Argail, libxine-extracodecs
[10:48] <mightypea> so not a 64bit one?
[10:48] <kosh> |lostbyte|: basically ext3 is tested more, used more etc then the others so it is a pretty good default choice
[10:48] <kosh> |lostbyte|: jfs and xfs are also good choices
[10:48] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: no not 64bit one
[10:49] <|lostbyte|> kosh, ok.
[10:49] <|lostbyte|> kosh, tx
[10:50] <kosh> |lostbyte|: one thing to think about is that most of the benchmarks are meaningless to what you are going to be doing, you probably won't hit the fs very hard
[10:50] <mightypea> that's what i'm running, and that's why it automatically looks for the amd64 dir on the repos, where there is none
[10:51] <kosh> |lostbyte|: I know I have deal with people that think they have a large database because it has ten thousand records in it and the db is 20MB, that is tiny however
[10:51] <mightypea> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[10:51] <mightypea> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[10:51] <mightypea> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[10:51] <mightypea> ## repository.
[10:51] <mightypea> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[10:51] <mightypea> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[10:51] <mightypea> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[10:51] <|lostbyte|> kosh, :)
[10:51] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: stop!
[10:51] <mightypea> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[10:51] <mightypea> ## team.
[10:51] <mightypea> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[10:51] <mightypea> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[10:51] <kosh> |lostbyte|: a good rule of thumb is that unless you are doing something outside what any normal home user would do then it does not make any differences
[10:51] <|lostbyte|> kosh, benchmarks, do you have it ?
[10:52] <kosh> |lostbyte|: not off the top of my head, you can search google for them since there are a lot
[10:52] <|lostbyte|> kosh, YEah, thats there.
[10:52] <|lostbyte|> kosh, ok.
[10:52] <mightypea> err, you told me to paste it, i'm sorry if that was flooding.
[10:52] <mightypea> it was out of my hands before you said stop though
[10:53] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: said pastebin!!!
[10:53] <TheGateKeeper> !pastebin > mightypea
[10:53] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: misunderstanding sorry about that
[10:53] <mightypea> ah, that might've been a case of reading what i understood, rather than what i didn't
[10:54] <mightypea> sorry
[10:54] <bactram> fresh install, can't install firefox: adept says "BREAK (install)". How can I install firefox?
[10:54] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: not a problem. :)
[10:55] <fdoving> mightypea: just use pastebin next time,everyone make mistakes. :)
[10:55] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20148 . sorry again, i should've read the title more closely
[10:55] <mightypea> brilliant concept though, that ;)
[10:55] <fdoving> nite all, work early, need some sleep.
[10:55] <Argail> |lostbyte|: libxine-extracodecs gets me this :Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:56] <[GuS] > Argail, you need to enable Multiverse repo.
[10:56] <Argail> [GuS] : i have enabled all the repos
[10:56] <[GuS] > if apt says that, then your are not
[10:57] <[GuS] > sorry
[10:57] <[GuS] > deb http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[10:57] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: yours is a 64bit install?
[10:57] <[GuS] > you need that one
[10:57] <Argail> let me see if it is in
[10:57] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: night
[10:57] <ramonet69> hola
[10:57] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: indeed
[10:58] <Argail> its not on the source.list let me add it
[10:58] <[GuS] > Argail, you see? :)
[10:58] <Argail> i thought it had to be by default there afte3r installation :)
[10:58] <[GuS] > nop
[10:58] <[GuS] > is not
[10:59] <Argail> are there any other crucial repos i have to add there?
[10:59] <[GuS] > mm nope
[11:00] <bactram> I'm having trouble installing firefox
[11:00] <bactram> this is a fresh install
[11:00] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: is there a way i can force synaptic to search for the 32bit version?
[11:00] <Argail> what is the shortcut to open konsole?
[11:00] <korgans> do it from Adept
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: damn not what I was expecting, now I am curious as to how it knows whether to fetch a 32bit or 64bit pacakage
[11:00] <bactram> but adept says "BREAK (install)"
[11:00] <narvik86> bactram: you can download ir from www and run
[11:00] <korgans> ah its cos of ya reposery
[11:00] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: hang on...
[11:00] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: it's done so for every repos i've added, including non-kubuntu ones like winehq
[11:00] <[GuS] > Argail, you could launch the launcher by pressign alt + f
[11:00] <korgans> had teh same prob yesterdAY
[11:01] <[GuS] > and type konsole
[11:01] <[GuS] > f2 i mean
[11:01] <[GuS] > alt + f2
[11:01] <bactram> narvik86: but I can't install via apt?
[11:01] <Argail> i do this,any quicker shortcut?
[11:01] <korgans> hey bactram ill send ya my source list
[11:01] <[GuS] > you could set yourselft in systemsettings :)
[11:01] <korgans> shoudl fix ya prob\
[11:02] <narvik86> bactram: it shoul be possible, maybe try sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:02] <bactram> korgans: thanks
[11:02] <Argail> [GuS] : for libxine same thing
[11:02] <[GuS] > ehm?
[11:02] <[GuS] > you have done sudo apt-get update after add the line Argail ?
[11:02] <korgans> Let em remember where is it
[11:02] <bactram> apt-get install firefox says that libatk1.0-1 is not installable
[11:02] <Argail> yes
[11:03] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I would imagine so, search in synaptic for: ia32-libs tell me if it is listed
[11:03] <narvik86> bactram: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:03] <[GuS] > then is impossible... you must doing something wrong
[11:03] <[GuS] > sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:04] <coachj> narvik86: you still here?
[11:04] <Argail> no ,let me check my source list for spelling
[11:04] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: it is, it says i have 1.4ubuntu20 installed
[11:04] <narvik86> coachj: yes. it works?
[11:04] <mightypea> err, 19
[11:05] <coachj> narvik86: here is the out after going thru the install and checking to see if it worked
[11:05] <coachj> fglrxinfo
[11:05] <coachj> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:05] <coachj> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:05] <coachj> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:05] <coachj> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[11:05] <coachj> jeff@KubuntuMachine:~$ display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:05] <narvik86> coachj: :/ cant be mesa
[11:05] <coachj> bash: display:: command not found
[11:05] <coachj> jeff@KubuntuMachine:~$ OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[11:06] <coachj> bash: OpenGL: command not found
[11:06] <Smooph> ll
[11:06] <fdoving> !pastebin > coachj
[11:07] <coachj> ok, didnt know how to use
[11:07] <jon_> hey how do i network to a printer on the server? im the other computer on the network.
[11:07] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: if you look at the url (at the end), you explictly download 32 bit version for firefox, and install it plus various other bits & pieces, the other bit & pieces can be done from synaptic or the cli: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:07] <jon_> the other one is running windows xp if that matters
[11:07] <Argail> ok gus.my mistake again,new guy here,just installed kubuntu yesterday,its downloading now
[11:07] <coachj> narvik86: did that help you dignise my problem?
[11:08] <Argail> [GuS] : everything fine,its playing now,thanks a lot
[11:08] <narvik86> coachj: be right back
[11:08] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: the PLF repos have non-free stuff I would imagine most of it to be 32bit, no idea if any is 64bit
[11:08] <[GuS] > your welcome :)
[11:09] <jon_>  does anyone know how to network a printer?
[11:10] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: i'm not excactly sure why you're linking me to that though? i'm trying to get nvidia drivers, not flash. i might be misunderstanding you, it's quite late, so it's more than possible
[11:10] <[GuS] > you could share it with samba jon_
[11:10] <Smooph> nvidia drivers for your graphic card ?
[11:10] <mightypea> yup
[11:11] <jon_> thats what im just now reading on help
[11:11] <Smooph> did you install de invidia driver package linked in adept ?
[11:11] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I was trying to answer your question about installing 64bit stuff & 32bit stuff and using that link as an example
[11:11] <LeeJunFan> jon_: what type of system is the printserver and what type of clients?
[11:12] <mightypea> TheGateKeeper: ah, understood.
[11:12] <Smooph> mightypea: open a konsole with sudo su
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I would imagine if you need to use 32bit nvidia stuff the same pricipal would exist
[11:12] <mightypea> Smooph: i was following a tutorial which said i had to enable unrestricted stuff, and i get an error doing that
[11:13] <Smooph> than type apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:13] <jon_> what does it mean when it says errors were encountered while processing mldonkey server?
[11:13] <korgans> where is the sourcelist for repository mesn the text file
[11:13] <jon_> i was trying to apt-get samba
[11:13] <crazy_penguin> i wish a good night to all! sleep well! :)
[11:13] <korgans> need to know to help soemoene
[11:13] <jon_> the printer is on windows xp, im on dapper drake
[11:14] <bactram> narvik86: Thanks for the source-o-matic. firefox is installed and working now.
[11:14] <Smooph> mightypea: plz open adept
[11:14] <mightypea> oh, that seems to be doing it, smooph. The reason i was trying to do it through synaptic is because the guide told me to
[11:14] <korgans> bactram i still need to send ya that file
[11:14] <korgans> cos ya gonna have prob with all package
[11:14] <korgans> if ya dont fix that
[11:14] <Smooph> ok did you install the nvidia-glx
[11:14] <Smooph> ?
[11:14] <mightypea> Smooph: done
[11:14] <mightypea> Smooph: yup
[11:14] <korgans> where is the soruce list repository file guys ?
[11:15] <Smooph> ok now open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:15] <tk> I've upgraded amarok to the nnewest release, 1.4 and now it wont load... any suggestions as to why? or how to fix?
[11:15] <korgans> p.s for bactram :P
[11:15] <Smooph> korgans: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> mightypea: I don't have a 64bit system yet, looking at your sources.list may be these set of repos might also work, or may be they would just break your system, don't know: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[11:15] <trappist> tk: mysql backend?
[11:15] <Smooph> mightypea: you have to open it under root
[11:16] <tk> trappist: let me checknot sure if I've installed mysql yet
[11:16] <mightypea> Smooph: done
[11:16] <korgans> hey brackham got Msn messenger ?
[11:16] <Smooph> ok now find the line where the driver is listed
[11:17] <tk> trappist: have th client installed, no server
[11:17] <mightypea> Smooph: NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card?
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> korgans: bactram /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:17] <mightypea> in the section "device"?
[11:18] <Smooph> mightypea: in the section device there should be a line like "driver "nvidia""
[11:18] <mightypea> the driver line says"nv", and is right under what i listed up there, "NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"
[11:18] <Smooph> if "nv" is written there change it to "nvidia"
[11:18] <TheGateKeeper> or nv????
[11:18] <mightypea> nv :)
[11:18] <korgans> bactram sended
[11:18] <Smooph> change it
[11:18] <mightypea> done
[11:19] <Smooph> ok now go back to the konsole (first safe your data) than type "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"(with sudo su of course)
[11:20] <mightypea> i imagine that --if this was all i needed to do-- i need to restart my video now, in some way?
[11:20] <Smooph> than everything should work
[11:20] <Smooph> mightypea: wait one second
[11:20] <coachj> narvik86: cant repond to you on other chat
[11:20] <mightypea> holding
[11:20] <Smooph> mightypea: if your x-server does not start again change it back to "nv" but it should work
[11:21] <jon_> is mldonkey essential?
[11:21] <jon_> or do i just have some residual files to get rid of?
[11:21] <korgans> Btw the best way to install nvdriver its from repository worked damn well for me
[11:21] <narvik86> coachj: ok, that is bad - mesa, what card do you have?
[11:21] <Smooph> you know how to change things when you don't have a kde
[11:21] <korgans> all working fine
[11:21] <BluesKaj> !Dapper
[11:21] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[11:21] <coachj> ati 9000 pro
[11:21] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu Dapper
[11:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about Kubuntu Dapper - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:21] <jon_> am i supposed to have mldonkey or isnt it just a bittorrent?
[11:22] <coachj> navrik86: ati 9000 pro
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu 6.06
[11:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about kubuntu 6.06 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:22] <narvik86> coachj: there should be your card name not mesa, previously you was trying to install ati with some howto?
[11:23] <coachj> narvik86: I used the same how to you gave me
[11:23] <narvik86> bactram: np, now you can ignite the web ;)
[11:23] <tk> trappist: installed mysql no help, I tried amarok from cmd line and I get 2 "Bad device" errors right off the bat....
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> Smooph: I have nvidia video adapter but never had the bottle to install the nvdia drivers beyond what is installed by default, is changing xorg.cong driver back to nv the 'get it back working if it all goes horrible wrong' ?
[11:24] <narvik86> coachj: you were using only this one? wasnt modyfing xorg.conf?
[11:24] <magical_trevsky> hi, does anyone know how to switch my default browser to opera (I already have opera installed)?
[11:24] <trappist> tk: I just meant if you were using a mysql backend for amarok, I had trouble with my last upgrade because of a bug in the mysql backend
[11:25] <tk> ohh, I just updated, I havent been able to iconfigure anything since I cant  open it to get to the configs
[11:25] <coachj> narvik86: no I havent done anything manualy, did run Easy Ubuntu.
[11:25] <narvik86> magical_trevsky: k -> sys settings -> kde resources
[11:25] <korgans> hey bactram ya there ?
[11:25] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:25] <Smooph> I thing if all goes wrong of course than not but changeing the xorg.conf back to what it was (nv, or mesa) this makes them work again
[11:25] <magical_trevsky> narvik86, thanks :)
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> magical_trevsky: look in system settings -> kde componenets -> web browser
[11:25] <korgans> Smooph how do i switch to mesa ?
[11:25] <narvik86> magical_trevsky: default programs, www browser :)
[11:25] <tk> trappist: ohh and I just noticed this---- amarok:         [CollectionDB]  [ERROR!]  There is a bug in Amarok: instead of des                                                                                                           troying your valuable database tables, I'm quitting
[11:26] <Smooph> why would you wanna switch to mesa ? korgans
[11:26] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:26] <korgans> cos wine dont let work eve online if it is in xgl mode
[11:26] <jon_> what does this mean?
[11:26] <jon_> E: mldonkey-server: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:26] <narvik86> coachj: you made all steps from method I ?
[11:26] <jon_> it wont let me remove the program
[11:26] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:26] <Smooph> korgans: does your opengl work ?
[11:27] <coachj> navric86: yes
[11:27] <korgans> yup
[11:27] <coachj> navrik86: yes
[11:27] <tk> trappist: is that the bug that was affecting you aswell?
[11:27] <korgans> all working great exept for eve who equire mesa cos xgl make it crash
[11:27] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:27] <narvik86> coachj: and reboot?
[11:27] <Smooph> if you want to change to mesa change the xorg.conf but i don't think thats your problem
[11:27] <coachj> navrik86: yes
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: didn't you have this problem the other night with a broken package?
[11:28] <korgans> and hoiw do i change de xorg .conf ?
[11:28] <jon_> i fixed that
[11:28] <trappist> tk: I dunno if that's the one or not
[11:28] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:28] <jon_> that was with the multiverse repositories
[11:28] <jon_> but i dont know what this script error is all about
[11:28] <kickass331> how do I get kth files to work?
[11:29] <narvik86> coachj: sudo aticonfig --initial this also right?
[11:29] <trappist> kickass331: give it a minute.  it's on my screen 5 times.  if anybody knows, they'll answer.
[11:29] <kickass331> themes
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: what did you try to install?
[11:29] <jon_> mldonkey
[11:29] <kickass331> KDE Themes
[11:29] <jon_> then it wouldnt work so i tried to uninstall it
[11:29] <coachj> navrik86:yes
[11:29] <jon_> and it wouldnt uninstall either
[11:30] <Smooph> korgans: if you don't know how to do that you really should not mess with those things because you are probably not skilled enough (but you can change it bye opening a konsole with sudo su an type vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[11:30] <coachj> navrik86: I copy pasted from the site
[11:30] <narvik86> coachj: everything was without errors/warnings?
[11:30] <kickass331> uhm
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: you have synaptic installed?
[11:30] <kickass331> KDE Theme help
[11:31] <jon_> yes, other programs have installed with no problem
[11:31] <korgans> then what do i change ?
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: does it report any broken pacakages?
[11:32] <Smooph> there is a section device and there is a line "driver "fgx(or something like this)" and change this to "driver "mesa"
[11:32] <natan-> how do i shutdown my x11
[11:32] <natan-> ?
[11:33] <jon_> E: mldonkey-server: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:33] <narvik86> coachj: everything was without errors/warnings?
[11:33] <Smooph> natan-: log out than look in the menu restart x-server
[11:33] <Smooph> if it is that what you mean
[11:33] <thompa> natan: are you talking about your desktop?
[11:33] <natan-> ermmm i can't i can only access this machine via and nx server
[11:34] <natan-> i have x11 running on port 6000 or something like that
[11:34] <Smooph> sry don't know that
[11:34] <thompa> ok
[11:34] <natan-> i need to use port 6000
[11:34] <jon_> mldonkey gave me and error when i tried to install samba too
[11:34] <natan-> so i need to shut down x11
[11:34] <narvik86> try pkill maybe?
[11:34] <narvik86> coachj: everything was without errors/warnings?
[11:35] <coachj> navrik86: yes
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: does synaptic report this as a broken package, does synaptic let you do anything with it?
[11:35] <kickass331> HOW DO I INSTALL THEMES?
[11:35] <thompa> go look at gnomelook.org
[11:35] <thompa> or kdelook are some
[11:35] <kickass331> kdelook.org
[11:36] <kickass331> I downloaded vista
[11:36] <thompa> im in kde i guess
[11:36] <korgans> not able to open it in console mode
[11:36] <OpeNZ> lol vista
[11:36] <korgans> i open it but can tedit it
[11:36] <korgans> cant
[11:36] <narvik86> coachj: if you want you can simply repeat all steps, i have only one idea, but you need to repeat steps
[11:36] <thompa> windows mesdia center edition is awful
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> kickass331: well we all have our off days :-)
[11:36] <thompa> an install need about 10 reboots
[11:36] <jon_> TheGateKeeper  it says E: sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:36] <kickass331> how do I install themes?
[11:37] <jon_> a package failed to install. trying to recover:
[11:37] <OpeNZ> vista sucks big time
[11:37] <coachj> navrik86: ok, just repeat steps nothing else
[11:37] <jon_> thats what the synaptic terminal says
[11:37] <kickass331> I know it sucks
[11:37] <thompa> full of spyware and it takes about 7 hours to install
[11:37] <jon_> it does not let me do anything with it
[11:37] <kickass331> could you tell me how to install it anyways
[11:37] <thompa> go to system settings appearance
[11:38] <kickass331> then what?
[11:38] <thompa> well there you can install icon themes
[11:39] <kickass331> no I mean KDE themes
[11:39] <thompa> kde theme manager
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: probable need to ask someone with more knowledge than me, but you will need to sort this package out before you can move forward, either removing or reinstalling the package, I would also be tempted to post a bug
[11:39] <kickass331> that's KDM
[11:39] <kickass331> I want KDE
[11:39] <jon_> i tried to reinstall but that didnt work
[11:39] <kickass331> K Desktop Environment
[11:39] <kickass331> Thems
[11:39] <kickass331> KDM is crap
[11:40] <kickass331> Manager
[11:40] <jon_> yea, i cant put samba on without fixing this first, it seems
[11:40] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: and probable others too
[11:40] <jon_> this sucks
[11:40] <thompa> what about dekorator
[11:41] <jon_> thanks anyway tho
[11:41] <coachj> navrik86: do i just repeat or is there something else?
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: have you got a backup prior to installing mldonkey-server ??
[11:41] <jon_> no
[11:41] <tk> trappist: apparently its trying to use SQlite despite changing the setting using the wizard
[11:41] <jon_> i updated to dapper
[11:42] <narvik86> coachj: ok type fglrxinfo and tell me is it mesa
[11:42] <jon_> hoping the problem would take care of itself
[11:42] <jon_> but its still there
[11:42] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: ok :-)
[11:42] <coachj> navrik86: penGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:42] <jon_> i suppose i could start over...
[11:42] <MikeMcA> I just installed kubuntu on my desktop system and I have a strange problem.  It's as if my "logical" desktop is slightly wider and taller than the actual pixel dimensions of my screen.  When I move my mouse to an edge the whole desktop slides slightly (both left-right and up-down depending on the edge), including the KDE panel, the background image, etc.  Anyone know what's going on and how I can disable this?  Thanks!
[11:43] <jon_> that just doesnt sound as easy as maybe some unknown solution....
[11:43] <narvik86> coachj: i don't know what was installed by easyubuntu, you can open file with sudo, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: sorry I could not be more help, try one of the others, you could also posting a question on ubuntu forums, people are surprisingly quic
[11:44] <Blissex> MikeMcA: that's if you have configured your virtual desktop larger than the screen size you have configured.
[11:44] <Smooph> MikeMcA: I had a simular problem with my 2nd monitor but it was really hard to get that fixed
[11:44] <jon_> thanks
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> jon_: quick with answers ooops
[11:44] <narvik86> coachj: packets from easyubuntu are making problems to this packets, can you unistall previous in easyubuntu?
[11:45] <coachj> i can try
[11:45] <MikeMcA> Blissex: do you know where that is configured?  I haven't knowingly adjusted my virtual desktop.  I literally just got up and running about 10 min ago
[11:46] <Blissex> MikeMcA: '/etc/X11/Xorg.conf' look for a line with "Virtual" on it.
[11:46] <obf213> how do i use k developer
[11:47] <Smooph> MikeMcA: you can change those things in the xorg.conf
[11:47] <kickass331> How do I use kth files?
[11:47] <MikeMcA> Blissex, Smooph: thanks!
[11:47] <coachj> navrik86: thanks for the help I cant spend anymore time on this right now.
[11:49] <tk> trappist: found ht e problem, you just have to delete or rename ~/kde/share/apps/amarok/collections.db and it will bypass that problem
[11:50] <danex> I have an Unusual Problem with Kubuntu on my laptop, IBM Thinkpad30,  When booting into Kunbuntu It stops at Mounting root file system
[11:50] <trappist> tk: yeah, that wipes out your collection but you can always rebuild it
[11:52] <paul_> Can anyone teach me how to install flash player?  I downloaded the stuff, but I don't know which folder to put it in, or what command lines to run.
[11:52] <tk> trappist: it was 2 days old, not a lot of stats to lose ;)
[11:53] <trappist> tk: then there's your solution :)
[11:54] <macd> danex: in grubs boot options, turn acpi=off
[11:54] <macd> paul_ : Id recommend automatix for you.
[11:54] <paul_> what's automatix? (sorry, im very new to linux)
[11:54] <macd> paul_ : www.getatomatix.org
[11:54] <paul_> ahh
[11:54] <paul_> will that automatically install?
[11:55] <macd> paul_ : yes along with TONS of other things you want.
[11:55] <tk> except now it still says it cant play mp3s when the website says that this version supports it out of the box
[11:55] <macd> mp3 playing ability, quicktime, flash, java, dvd playing ability...
[11:55] <paul_> macd: thank you very much
[11:55] <macd> paul_ : not a problem
[11:56] <SimAtWork_> tk, you can't play mp3s?
[11:56] <SimAtWork_> tk: have you install amarok?
[11:56] <macd> paul_ : my mistake its http://www.getautomatix.com/
[11:56] <macd> I gave you the wrong url!
[11:56] <paul_> yeah, i was about to say, lol
[11:56] <danex> macd how do i get to it , i am new to linux
[11:57] <tk> SimAtWork_: yes, updated to latest amarok
[11:57] <sotired> What do i need to get from adept for compiz/xgl in kde?
[11:57] <SimAtWork_> tk: and it won't play mp3s?
[11:57] <tk> nope, offers to install mp3 support but hten it appears to crash
[11:57] <macd> danex: when your system starts to boot, hit ESC to get the grub menu, then you will need to edit your grub configuration, its all rather self explanitory once you hit ESC :)
[11:57] <Smooph> !mp3
[11:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:58] <Glin|Jol> Winamp 5.24 paused
[11:59] <sotired> What do i need to get from adept for compiz/xgl in kde?
[11:59] <sotired> sry didnt mean to do that again
[11:59] <SimAtWork_> tk: that is more than a little strange.
[11:59] <SimAtWork_> tk: you just installed kubuntu?
[11:59] <macd> SimAtWork_ and tk without enabling certain repositories, it will crash, make sure universe is enabled.
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> sotired, ..
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[12:00] <kickass331> help
[12:01] <kickass331> I need to install a kth theme
[12:01] <SimAtWork_> macd: ahh
[12:01] <SimAtWork_> that sounds like a bug to me though
[12:01] <SimAtWork_> it shouldn't ever crash
[12:01] <macd> yeah agreed
[12:01] <tk> macd: universe is enabled
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> kickass331, kcontrol
[12:01] <new_penguin> hi
[12:01] <new_penguin> I just got my kubuntu live cd
[12:02] <new_penguin> it is good
[12:02] <new_penguin> very good
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> !compiz > sotired
[12:02] <obf213> how cqan i find ppls i tunes with amarok
[12:02] <tk> well gotta finish this later, work :(
[12:03] <macd> obf213: care to say that in english?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Even Automatix dropped Asureus from their list due to the libswt.. pkgs having a circular depency install problem in Kubuntu 6.06
[12:04] <obf213> im sorr macd, lemme remove the q. for you. how can i find ppls itune librarys with itunes
[12:05] <danex> macd, could not find that in the options, It may have something to do with the docking station,  I am going to do a reinstall with the unit off the docking station
[12:05] <macd> danex: I doubt thats the issue, but your welcome to try ;)
[12:06] <macd> obf213: Well itunes isnt supposed by kubuntu, so I think you might ask apple howto find itunes librarys with itunes.
[12:06] <obf213> macd, care to say that in english
[12:06] <macd> you asked howto find itunes librarys in itunes.
[12:06] <obf213> no
[12:07] <danex> macd, just tested with it on the docking station   boots up o.k. ,  only fails off the docking station
[12:07] <obf213> i want to know if amarok can find itunes libaries
[12:07] <macd> "obf213 how can i find ppls itune librarys with itunes"
[12:07] <macd> anyways
[12:07] <macd> let me see one sec.
[12:08] <obf213> meh i got it write the first time, but my q befuddled you, anyways can amarok find itunes libaries