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lapo | hi | 11:15 |
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msikma | Hi all | 11:33 |
Madpilot | greetings | 11:33 |
msikma | Hi Madpilot | 11:39 |
msikma | cbx33: by the way, I asked you if you've ever had a Mac OS 9 computer before because that system had amazing support for sound themes. And some really good themes were made for it too. | 11:40 |
msikma | About everything could have a sound. Scrolling and window dragging each had three sounds (one for when you began scrolling/dragging, one while doing it (in a loop) unless the scrolling had stopped, and one for when you let go). | 11:41 |
msikma | I need to see if I can rip some of those sound themes... | 11:41 |
Madpilot | sound-while-dragging sounds more irritating than helpful, to me... | 11:41 |
msikma | It was pretty well-done. To me, it wasn't irritating. But individual parts of the sound theme could be turned off in the options. | 11:43 |
msikma | hmm | 12:20 |
msikma | A mail titled "ALLAH" and written in Turkish was sent to the Python mailing list. | 12:20 |
cbx33 | msikma: cool | 12:56 |
cbx33 | might be nice to hear a few for a comparison | 12:56 |
cbx33 | I'm hoping to work on some audio this afternoon | 12:56 |
cbx33 | as well as some video tutorials for using ubuntu as a recording studio | 12:56 |
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troy_s | cbx33! | 02:32 |
cbx33 | hi troy_s | 02:37 |
troy_s | How you doing cbx33? Just heading off to work. | 02:37 |
troy_s | Hope you get some sound design in soon. | 02:38 |
cbx33 | i will try | 02:38 |
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cbx33 | new sound :D | 04:53 |
cbx33 | Jungle Beat !! | 04:53 |
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cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu10.mp3 | 05:43 |
cbx33 | hi fschoep | 05:43 |
fschoep | Hey Pete | 05:44 |
cbx33 | like the new sound? | 05:50 |
fschoep | I like the direction with the african drums, but they're probably a bit "heavy", especially the last drum is a bit thunderous :) | 05:57 |
cbx33 | hokey cokey | 05:58 |
cbx33 | I'll come up with something else | 05:58 |
fschoep | Maybe you should try some lighter drums like a conga to give it a more "tribal" feel instead of war-drums (just my interpretation). | 05:58 |
cbx33 | ok fschoep nice idea | 05:59 |
fschoep | If you want to try more things :) - | 05:59 |
cbx33 | i think i was trying to get accross the pwoer of ubunut :p | 05:59 |
fschoep | That went well :) | 06:00 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:00 |
cbx33 | troy_s, is keen for me to keep churning out new things | 06:00 |
cbx33 | it is getting harder | 06:00 |
fschoep | Indeed, that's the way to go | 06:00 |
cbx33 | but I'm still going strong | 06:00 |
fschoep | It's tough to come up with "new" things over a longer period, but for now you're doing an amazing job :) | 06:01 |
cbx33 | I think if I was to stop now | 06:01 |
cbx33 | and come up with new ideas for edgy+1 it'd be ok | 06:01 |
cbx33 | it's just so many "new" ideas in such a short space of time | 06:01 |
fschoep | I see | 06:01 |
cbx33 | but I'm definitely enjoying it | 06:02 |
cbx33 | I'm going to produce some video tutorials for ubuntu | 06:02 |
fschoep | That's very good to hear! | 06:02 |
cbx33 | on how to use JACK and Ardour | 06:02 |
cbx33 | in essence how to create an ubuntu studio | 06:03 |
fschoep | That's useful information, Ardour is a nice multitrack (and MIDI?) program last time I tried it. | 06:03 |
cbx33 | not MIDI yet | 06:03 |
fschoep | Do you also know Rosegarden and Muse, both are KDE applications? | 06:03 |
cbx33 | they have some SoC students working on MIDI | 06:03 |
cbx33 | I use RoseGarden with Ardour | 06:03 |
cbx33 | but Muse sucks for Jack syncing | 06:04 |
fschoep | It does? | 06:04 |
cbx33 | yes | 06:04 |
fschoep | OK :) | 06:04 |
cbx33 | it doesn't sync at all | 06:04 |
fschoep | That's bad. I always thought Muse was better than Ardour but I couldn't ever get it to run properly. | 06:05 |
cbx33 | but tbh I think JACK is one of the most fantastic inventions ever | 06:05 |
cbx33 | Ardour rocks | 06:05 |
cbx33 | runs so smoothly | 06:05 |
fschoep | Yes, Jack is a nice framework, kind of like CoreAudio on Mac OS X. | 06:05 |
cbx33 | and has some top end tools | 06:05 |
cbx33 | I've never used a mac | 06:05 |
cbx33 | I used to have Logic Audio Gold for PC | 06:05 |
cbx33 | till apple bought out emagix | 06:06 |
fschoep | Ouch, you probably weren't too happy with that, then. | 06:06 |
cbx33 | nope | 06:06 |
cbx33 | no more new versions | 06:06 |
cbx33 | no more support | 06:06 |
fschoep | That's horrible. | 06:06 |
cbx33 | but tbh, I find Ardour/JACK/RoseGarden as powerful | 06:06 |
cbx33 | if not more so | 06:06 |
cbx33 | Logic was lovely, but I like these guys better | 06:07 |
fschoep | Really? I haven't looked into it recently, but I always thought Ardour was lacking good effect plugins. | 06:07 |
cbx33 | just use the plethora of plugins from Universe | 06:07 |
cbx33 | ok, yes it is lacking in some respects, but it has everything I need | 06:07 |
fschoep | That's probably the best way to look at it. | 06:08 |
cbx33 | that's why I'm hoping to do the sounds for ubuntu | 06:08 |
fschoep | I also use a lot of software which lacks features X, Y and Z, but as long as *I* don't need them, I'm fine with those. | 06:08 |
cbx33 | so I can then maybe do some interviews with somepeople and tell them how fantastic open source is | 06:09 |
fschoep | That's a great goal. | 06:09 |
cbx33 | fschoep, you learn to make do | 06:09 |
cbx33 | fschoep, well now you know why I want to do the sounds so much | 06:09 |
cbx33 | apart from my synth, everything is done in ubuntu | 06:09 |
fschoep | That's good background information. | 06:09 |
cbx33 | You ever read Sound On Sound | 06:10 |
fschoep | No, can't recall doing so. | 06:10 |
cbx33 | fantastic audio magazine | 06:10 |
cbx33 | www.soundonsound.com | 06:10 |
cbx33 | i think | 06:10 |
cbx33 | I was hoping maybe to get an article published in there about doing the ubuntu sounds,..if I manage to get mine in there | 06:10 |
cbx33 | show off what this baby (ubuntu) can really do | 06:11 |
fschoep | That would be a nice publicity stunt. | 06:11 |
fschoep | Is it easy to set up Ardour on Ubuntu? | 06:11 |
cbx33 | VERY | 06:12 |
cbx33 | and that's another reason why I was goign to do the video tutorials | 06:12 |
cbx33 | I love the flexibility of JACK/Apps | 06:12 |
fschoep | What advantages does Jack offer? | 06:13 |
cbx33 | it's fantastic | 06:13 |
cbx33 | just the ability to plug any apps output into anyother apps input | 06:13 |
fschoep | I always thought Jack was just a sound-system abstraction layer. | 06:13 |
cbx33 | and the common transport system | 06:13 |
cbx33 | I know midi and MMC can do it | 06:13 |
cbx33 | but jack seems to do it so much better | 06:13 |
fschoep | Sounds useful, how do you utilize it in your current setup? | 06:14 |
cbx33 | JACK is at the centre | 06:14 |
cbx33 | fschoep, this is sounding more and more like an interview :p | 06:14 |
fschoep | Oh, I'm sorry :) | 06:14 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:14 |
cbx33 | I j/k | 06:14 |
fschoep | I thought you might enjoy talking about your setup :) | 06:14 |
cbx33 | Of course | 06:14 |
cbx33 | it's much smaller than it used to be | 06:14 |
cbx33 | my studio used to be worth about 6000 | 06:15 |
cbx33 | but it's scattered about now | 06:15 |
fschoep | I'm not used to using Linux for audio, so I'm interested in your experiences. | 06:15 |
cbx33 | well, tbh, apart fro the VERY occasional crash | 06:15 |
cbx33 | it's very very stable | 06:16 |
cbx33 | as you saw I even made one of my sounds completely on my laptop | 06:16 |
cbx33 | on a train | 06:16 |
cbx33 | multitrack playback on a train :p | 06:16 |
fschoep | :) | 06:16 |
cbx33 | at the moment | 06:16 |
cbx33 | I have my Korg X5D | 06:16 |
cbx33 | which goes into a MidiSport 2x2 | 06:16 |
cbx33 | and then goes itno the USB | 06:17 |
fschoep | OK | 06:17 |
cbx33 | JACK also handles all my midi connections | 06:17 |
cbx33 | I can route any input from one to any output to another | 06:17 |
cbx33 | although the midi is handled by ALSA I believe, JACK does a really good job of interfacing | 06:18 |
cbx33 | you can save you setups/patchbay arrangements in JACK | 06:18 |
cbx33 | to be recalled later | 06:18 |
fschoep | OK, nice feature | 06:18 |
cbx33 | which is handy if you're working on one project a lot | 06:18 |
cbx33 | but it's jus thte shear flexability that the conecpt offers | 06:18 |
fschoep | I used Jack's MIDI capabilities to power QSynth (ring a bell?) | 06:18 |
cbx33 | yes | 06:18 |
cbx33 | I use ZynAddSubFX | 06:19 |
fschoep | The Wiki link :) | 06:19 |
cbx33 | which is cool, but you must modprobe snd_seq first | 06:19 |
cbx33 | else it'll crash | 06:19 |
cbx33 | and it doesn't run on AMD64 at all :p | 06:19 |
fschoep | I didn't look into ZynAddSubFX earlier, but it looks very promising | 06:19 |
cbx33 | it's a nice synth | 06:19 |
fschoep | The sounds you are using, are those mixed from the Korg and ZynAddSubFX? | 06:20 |
cbx33 | it has a virtual keyboard which is playable via your computer keyboard | 06:20 |
cbx33 | mainly from the Korg tbh | 06:20 |
fschoep | :) | 06:20 |
cbx33 | I find the Zyn sounds good, but harsh | 06:20 |
cbx33 | very fast attacks | 06:20 |
cbx33 | whcih are nice from some applications, and indeed I could go in and change them | 06:20 |
fschoep | I see. Do you -by chance- have the "Dragon's World" synth on the Korg :) ? | 06:21 |
cbx33 | but why, when the Korg is sitting there with some lovely sounds | 06:21 |
msikma | cbx33: I'll hook up my old Mac OS 9 | 06:21 |
cbx33 | hang on.....lemme see | 06:21 |
cbx33 | nice msikma | 06:21 |
msikma | They are pretty neat sounds. I also had one notably well-done Star Trek sound theme :-) | 06:21 |
msikma | Anyway, going home now, see you later... | 06:21 |
cbx33 | see ya msikma | 06:21 |
fschoep | bye Michiel | 06:21 |
cbx33 | fschoep, no | 06:21 |
cbx33 | I don't seem to have that one | 06:22 |
fschoep | Heh, no problem, we used that one on my band's first demo :) | 06:22 |
cbx33 | :( | 06:22 |
cbx33 | ah coool | 06:22 |
cbx33 | there probaly is a reincarnation of it | 06:22 |
cbx33 | under a different name | 06:22 |
fschoep | I think so, audio stuff generally seems to have lots of legacy sounds in newer gear. | 06:22 |
cbx33 | the X5D has tonnes of sounds...but is a complete synth so I can create my own too | 06:22 |
fschoep | Oh, that's neat | 06:22 |
cbx33 | fschoep, there is one sound...<<headhunter>> which can be used to play the treehouse tune from themepark | 06:23 |
cbx33 | and I mean almost exactly | 06:23 |
cbx33 | it's scarily close | 06:23 |
fschoep | Hehe :) | 06:23 |
fschoep | Scary in itself | 06:23 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:23 |
fschoep | When you record stuff, do you record MIDI or audio? I'd guess the latter? | 06:23 |
cbx33 | I tend at the moment to use audio | 06:23 |
fschoep | I wondered, because Ardour doesn't do MIDI :) | 06:24 |
cbx33 | purely because I know what keys I've pressed and it's not hard to remember | 06:24 |
fschoep | True | 06:24 |
cbx33 | but I have used rosegarden | 06:24 |
cbx33 | to record the midis | 06:24 |
cbx33 | and then bounced that to audio and muted the midi track | 06:24 |
cbx33 | so I can go back and modify if needs be | 06:24 |
cbx33 | fschoep, | 06:24 |
fschoep | I see. | 06:24 |
fschoep | yes - | 06:24 |
cbx33 | http://progbox.co.uk/music | 06:25 |
cbx33 | some old tracks I did | 06:25 |
cbx33 | old old | 06:25 |
cbx33 | if I were doing ones like that | 06:25 |
cbx33 | I'd use rosegarden a lot | 06:25 |
fschoep | Hang on, I'll fire up a song | 06:25 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:25 |
cbx33 | syberiority | 06:25 |
cbx33 | that's probably one of the best | 06:26 |
cbx33 | 09 | 06:26 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:26 |
cbx33 | and if you dare to hear me sing | 06:26 |
cbx33 | "The One" | 06:26 |
fschoep | OK, I took 09 | 06:26 |
fschoep | Sounds like an acoustic guitar | 06:26 |
cbx33 | ok, first bit of guitar I ever recorded into PC | 06:26 |
cbx33 | took me 37 takes | 06:26 |
fschoep | Wow | 06:27 |
cbx33 | then i realised the guitar was out of tune | 06:27 |
cbx33 | 5 takes later I had it :p | 06:27 |
fschoep | Out of tune guitars are bad | 06:27 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:27 |
fschoep | Especially if you can't do a retake as the musicians have gone home. | 06:27 |
cbx33 | it was when the rest of the song was already recorded :p | 06:27 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:27 |
cbx33 | well all that stuff was me solo :p | 06:27 |
fschoep | :) | 06:27 |
fschoep | The drums, they're MIDI I guess? | 06:27 |
cbx33 | apart from one solo on one track | 06:27 |
cbx33 | unfortunately yes | 06:28 |
cbx33 | I could have done them a lot better now | 06:28 |
cbx33 | I do actually play drums | 06:28 |
fschoep | I like the sound of the drums a lot, but they are quite "clean" in a way. | 06:28 |
cbx33 | yes | 06:28 |
fschoep | So, you play the guitar, keys and drums? Anything else :) ? | 06:29 |
cbx33 | um, bass sometimes, piano if you count that as a seperate instrument | 06:29 |
cbx33 | that's abotu it | 06:29 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:29 |
cbx33 | oh and I sing badly :p | 06:29 |
fschoep | I kind of count bass under guitars and piano under keys :) Same interfaces | 06:30 |
cbx33 | indeed | 06:30 |
cbx33 | I really must learn a wind instrument at some time | 06:30 |
fschoep | I think that would rock | 06:30 |
fschoep | I can only play the guitar and a bit of keys | 06:30 |
cbx33 | I mean the other amazing thing about linux, is that I can keep IRC web brwoser etc open | 06:30 |
cbx33 | and still record multitrack audio | 06:30 |
fschoep | :) That's nice, really. | 06:31 |
cbx33 | logic would have died trying to do that on my old pc | 06:31 |
cbx33 | I used to have to keep that pc sooooo clean | 06:31 |
fschoep | I can imagine | 06:31 |
fschoep | Did you have dedicated hardware? | 06:31 |
cbx33 | i had a pc running win98 | 06:31 |
cbx33 | dual booted with ME | 06:32 |
cbx33 | and installed ONLY logic | 06:32 |
fschoep | Oh dear, Windows ME, everybody RUN! | 06:32 |
cbx33 | exactly | 06:32 |
cbx33 | ME was the only way to get my second midibox running | 06:32 |
cbx33 | driver issue | 06:32 |
fschoep | That's pretty bad, since ME was probably the worst Windows version ever. | 06:32 |
cbx33 | I also had/have a 12 track akai dps 12i multitrack recorder | 06:32 |
cbx33 | which was nice for long audio takes like vocals | 06:33 |
fschoep | (by the way, you're singing's not too bad, mine's far worse) | 06:33 |
cbx33 | haha | 06:33 |
cbx33 | "The One"? | 06:33 |
fschoep | Yup | 06:33 |
cbx33 | probaly my singing at it's best | 06:33 |
cbx33 | i wrote and recorded that one for my wife | 06:33 |
cbx33 | who was my fiancee at the time :p | 06:33 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:33 |
fschoep | That's cute :) | 06:33 |
fschoep | Don't give up man, I'm pretty sure you can improve with some more practice. Me, however, I can really not sing even with lessons :) | 06:34 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:34 |
cbx33 | I'm not too worried about singing | 06:34 |
fschoep | I'll let my guitar do the talking. | 06:34 |
cbx33 | I used to write all the vocal lines when I played in a punk band | 06:35 |
cbx33 | I played drums but wrote all the vocals heheh | 06:35 |
fschoep | :( | 06:35 |
cbx33 | fschoep, you a mean guitarist? | 06:35 |
fschoep | Oh :) | 06:35 |
fschoep | That :( smiley got in there erroneously | 06:35 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:35 |
fschoep | No I'm not mean, I'm quite a cosy person | 06:35 |
cbx33 | hehe | 06:35 |
cbx33 | what type of guitar you play? | 06:35 |
fschoep | No, I can play the guitar but I'm not mean | 06:35 |
fschoep | I play a Telecaster | 06:36 |
cbx33 | oooh | 06:36 |
cbx33 | with distortion? | 06:36 |
fschoep | A tiny bit | 06:36 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:36 |
fschoep | And LOOOOOTS of delay | 06:36 |
cbx33 | Marshall Jackhammer, best pedal I ever purchased :p | 06:36 |
fschoep | Know The Edge from U2? | 06:36 |
cbx33 | fschoep, oooh, I love playing guitar with delay | 06:36 |
fschoep | That's me, in a nutshell. | 06:36 |
cbx33 | very very soothing | 06:36 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:36 |
fschoep | I use it for rhythmic effects, like I play dah-dah-dah | 06:37 |
cbx33 | you can just pick random notes and it still sounds ace | 06:37 |
cbx33 | yup I know exactly what you mean | 06:37 |
fschoep | And then the delay makes it sound like dah-digga-dag-digga-dah | 06:37 |
cbx33 | used that quite a lot in these ubuntu sounds | 06:37 |
fschoep | Wait, I've got something funny which you probably already know | 06:37 |
cbx33 | one particualr zyn sound had a nice delay on iy | 06:37 |
cbx33 | fschoep, you got a blog? | 06:37 |
fschoep | cbx33: No, a website | 06:38 |
cbx33 | ok | 06:38 |
cbx33 | what's the link | 06:38 |
cbx33 | I'll add you to my blog | 06:38 |
fschoep | http://www.ffnn.nl | 06:38 |
fschoep | Since I jumped on the Ubuntu train I haven't been able to update it :( | 06:38 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:39 |
fschoep | Oh, here's the funny bit: | 06:39 |
fschoep | http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html | 06:39 |
fschoep | You might already know it. | 06:39 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:40 |
fschoep | I hope you enjoy(ed) it :) | 06:40 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:41 |
fschoep | cbx33: I kind of need to start packing for a photo shoot, mind if I talk to you later? It's been great fun :) | 06:41 |
cbx33 | yeh sure | 06:41 |
cbx33 | any time | 06:41 |
cbx33 | just ping me when you see me | 06:41 |
cbx33 | I'm usually around | 06:41 |
cbx33 | photoshoot? | 06:41 |
cbx33 | you taking of being taken? | 06:42 |
cbx33 | /of/or | 06:42 |
fschoep | Taking | 06:42 |
cbx33 | silentkeystroke.deviantart.com | 06:42 |
cbx33 | maybe we something else in common :p | 06:42 |
fschoep | Need to scout locations for the band's new photos for promotion. | 06:42 |
cbx33 | the band got a website? | 06:42 |
fschoep | Yeah, an old one :) | 06:42 |
fschoep | But still maintained | 06:42 |
fschoep | http://www.oceansedge.nl | 06:43 |
fschoep | Eat your heart out :) | 06:43 |
cbx33 | heheh | 06:43 |
fschoep | I'll talk to you soon :) | 06:43 |
cbx33 | ok | 06:43 |
cbx33 | take care | 06:43 |
fschoep | Thanks for chatting! | 06:43 |
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cbx33 | np | 06:43 |
cbx33 | thank you | 06:43 |
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msikma | Is it possible that we make the scroll bar a bit larger? | 11:24 |
msikma | I think it's a little tiny. | 11:24 |
msikma | Some extra pixels would be useful but I'm not sure if this is technically easy to do. | 11:24 |
msikma | heh, the scroll bars are the hardest to make because of how small they are | 11:40 |
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