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lapohi11:15
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msikmaHi all11:33
Madpilotgreetings11:33
msikmaHi Madpilot11:39
msikmacbx33: by the way, I asked you if you've ever had a Mac OS 9 computer before because that system had amazing support for sound themes. And some really good themes were made for it too.11:40
msikmaAbout everything could have a sound. Scrolling and window dragging each had three sounds (one for when you began scrolling/dragging, one while doing it (in a loop) unless the scrolling had stopped, and one for when you let go).11:41
msikmaI need to see if I can rip some of those sound themes...11:41
Madpilotsound-while-dragging sounds more irritating than helpful, to me...11:41
msikmaIt was pretty well-done. To me, it wasn't irritating. But individual parts of the sound theme could be turned off in the options.11:43
msikmahmm12:20
msikmaA mail titled "ALLAH" and written in Turkish was sent to the Python mailing list.12:20
cbx33msikma: cool12:56
cbx33might be nice to hear a few for a comparison12:56
cbx33I'm hoping to work on some audio this afternoon12:56
cbx33as well as some video tutorials for using ubuntu as a recording studio12:56
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troy_scbx33!02:32
cbx33hi troy_s02:37
troy_sHow you doing cbx33?  Just heading off to work.02:37
troy_sHope you get some sound design in soon.02:38
cbx33i will try02:38
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cbx33new sound :D04:53
cbx33Jungle Beat !!04:53
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cbx33http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu10.mp305:43
cbx33hi fschoep05:43
fschoepHey Pete05:44
cbx33like the new sound?05:50
fschoepI like the direction with the african drums, but they're probably a bit "heavy", especially the last drum is a bit thunderous :)05:57
cbx33hokey cokey05:58
cbx33I'll come up with something else05:58
fschoepMaybe you should try some lighter drums like a conga to give it a more "tribal" feel instead of war-drums (just my interpretation).05:58
cbx33ok fschoep nice idea05:59
fschoepIf you want to try more things :) -05:59
cbx33i think i was trying to get accross the pwoer of ubunut :p05:59
fschoepThat went well :)06:00
cbx33heheh06:00
cbx33troy_s, is keen for me to keep churning out new things06:00
cbx33it is getting harder06:00
fschoepIndeed, that's the way to go06:00
cbx33but I'm still going strong06:00
fschoepIt's tough to come up with "new" things over a longer period, but for now you're doing an amazing job :)06:01
cbx33I think if I was to stop now06:01
cbx33and come up with new ideas for edgy+1 it'd be ok06:01
cbx33it's just so many "new" ideas in such a short space of time06:01
fschoepI see06:01
cbx33but I'm definitely enjoying it06:02
cbx33I'm going to produce some video tutorials for ubuntu06:02
fschoepThat's very good to hear!06:02
cbx33on how to use JACK and Ardour06:02
cbx33in essence how to create an ubuntu studio06:03
fschoepThat's useful information, Ardour is a nice multitrack (and MIDI?) program last time I tried it.06:03
cbx33not MIDI yet06:03
fschoepDo you also know Rosegarden and Muse, both are KDE applications?06:03
cbx33they have some SoC students working on MIDI06:03
cbx33I use RoseGarden with Ardour06:03
cbx33but Muse sucks for Jack syncing06:04
fschoepIt does?06:04
cbx33yes06:04
fschoepOK :)06:04
cbx33it doesn't sync at all06:04
fschoepThat's bad. I always thought Muse was better than Ardour but I couldn't ever get it to run properly.06:05
cbx33but tbh I think JACK is one of the most fantastic inventions ever06:05
cbx33Ardour rocks06:05
cbx33runs so smoothly06:05
fschoepYes, Jack is a nice framework, kind of like CoreAudio on Mac OS X.06:05
cbx33and has some top end tools06:05
cbx33I've never used a mac06:05
cbx33I used to have Logic Audio Gold for PC06:05
cbx33till apple bought out emagix06:06
fschoepOuch, you probably weren't too happy with that, then.06:06
cbx33nope06:06
cbx33no more new versions06:06
cbx33no more support06:06
fschoepThat's horrible.06:06
cbx33but tbh, I find Ardour/JACK/RoseGarden as powerful06:06
cbx33if not more so06:06
cbx33Logic was lovely, but I like these guys better06:07
fschoepReally? I haven't looked into it recently, but I always thought Ardour was lacking good effect plugins.06:07
cbx33just use the plethora of plugins from Universe06:07
cbx33ok, yes it is lacking in some respects, but it has everything I need06:07
fschoepThat's probably the best way to look at it.06:08
cbx33that's why I'm hoping to do the sounds for ubuntu06:08
fschoepI also use a lot of software which lacks features X, Y and Z, but as long as *I* don't need them, I'm fine with those.06:08
cbx33so I can then maybe do some interviews with somepeople and tell them how fantastic open source is06:09
fschoepThat's a great goal.06:09
cbx33fschoep, you learn to make do06:09
cbx33fschoep, well now you know why I want to do the sounds so much06:09
cbx33apart from my synth, everything is done in ubuntu06:09
fschoepThat's good background information.06:09
cbx33You ever read Sound On Sound06:10
fschoepNo, can't recall doing so.06:10
cbx33fantastic audio magazine06:10
cbx33www.soundonsound.com06:10
cbx33i think06:10
cbx33I was hoping maybe to get an article published in there about doing the ubuntu sounds,..if I manage to get mine in there06:10
cbx33show off what this baby (ubuntu) can really do06:11
fschoepThat would be a nice publicity stunt.06:11
fschoepIs it easy to set up Ardour on Ubuntu?06:11
cbx33VERY06:12
cbx33and that's another reason why I was goign to do the video tutorials06:12
cbx33I love the flexibility of JACK/Apps06:12
fschoepWhat advantages does Jack offer?06:13
cbx33it's fantastic06:13
cbx33just the ability to plug any apps output into anyother apps input06:13
fschoepI always thought Jack was just a sound-system abstraction layer.06:13
cbx33and the common transport system06:13
cbx33I know midi and MMC can do it06:13
cbx33but jack seems to do it so much better06:13
fschoepSounds useful, how do you utilize it in your current setup?06:14
cbx33JACK is at the centre06:14
cbx33fschoep, this is sounding more and more like an interview :p06:14
fschoepOh, I'm sorry :)06:14
cbx33heheh06:14
cbx33I j/k06:14
fschoepI thought you might enjoy talking about your setup :)06:14
cbx33Of course06:14
cbx33it's much smaller than it used to be06:14
cbx33my studio used to be worth about 600006:15
cbx33but it's scattered about now06:15
fschoepI'm not used to using Linux for audio, so I'm interested in your experiences.06:15
cbx33well, tbh, apart fro the VERY occasional crash06:15
cbx33it's very very stable06:16
cbx33as you saw I even made one of my sounds completely on my laptop06:16
cbx33on a train06:16
cbx33multitrack playback on a train :p06:16
fschoep:)06:16
cbx33at the moment06:16
cbx33I have my Korg X5D06:16
cbx33which goes into a MidiSport 2x206:16
cbx33and then goes itno the USB06:17
fschoepOK06:17
cbx33JACK also handles all my midi connections06:17
cbx33I can route any input from one to any output to another06:17
cbx33although the midi is handled by ALSA I believe, JACK does a really good job of interfacing06:18
cbx33you can save you setups/patchbay arrangements in JACK06:18
cbx33to be recalled later06:18
fschoepOK, nice feature06:18
cbx33which is handy if you're working on one project a lot06:18
cbx33but it's jus thte shear flexability that the conecpt offers06:18
fschoepI used Jack's MIDI capabilities to power QSynth (ring a bell?)06:18
cbx33yes06:18
cbx33I use ZynAddSubFX06:19
fschoepThe Wiki link :)06:19
cbx33which is cool, but you must modprobe snd_seq first06:19
cbx33else it'll crash06:19
cbx33and it doesn't run on AMD64 at all :p06:19
fschoepI didn't look into ZynAddSubFX earlier, but it looks very promising06:19
cbx33it's a nice synth06:19
fschoepThe sounds you are using, are those mixed from the Korg and ZynAddSubFX?06:20
cbx33it has a virtual keyboard which is playable via your computer keyboard06:20
cbx33mainly from the Korg tbh06:20
fschoep:)06:20
cbx33I find the Zyn sounds good, but harsh06:20
cbx33very fast attacks06:20
cbx33whcih are nice from some applications, and indeed I could go in and change them06:20
fschoepI see. Do you -by chance- have the "Dragon's World" synth on the Korg :) ?06:21
cbx33but why, when the Korg is sitting there with some lovely sounds06:21
msikmacbx33: I'll hook up my old Mac OS 906:21
cbx33hang on.....lemme see06:21
cbx33nice msikma06:21
msikmaThey are pretty neat sounds. I also had one notably well-done Star Trek sound theme :-)06:21
msikmaAnyway, going home now, see you later...06:21
cbx33see ya msikma06:21
fschoepbye Michiel06:21
cbx33fschoep, no06:21
cbx33I don't seem to have that one06:22
fschoepHeh, no problem, we used that one on my band's first demo :)06:22
cbx33:(06:22
cbx33ah coool06:22
cbx33there probaly is a reincarnation of it06:22
cbx33under a different name06:22
fschoepI think so, audio stuff generally seems to have lots of legacy sounds in newer gear.06:22
cbx33the X5D has tonnes of sounds...but is a complete synth so I can create my own too06:22
fschoepOh, that's neat06:22
cbx33fschoep, there is one sound...<<headhunter>> which can be used to play the treehouse tune from themepark06:23
cbx33and I mean almost exactly06:23
cbx33it's scarily close06:23
fschoepHehe :)06:23
fschoepScary in itself06:23
cbx33hehe06:23
fschoepWhen you record stuff, do you record MIDI or audio? I'd guess the latter?06:23
cbx33I tend at the moment to use audio06:23
fschoepI wondered, because Ardour doesn't do MIDI :)06:24
cbx33purely because I know what keys I've pressed and it's not hard to remember06:24
fschoepTrue06:24
cbx33but I have used rosegarden06:24
cbx33to record the midis06:24
cbx33and then bounced that to audio and muted the midi track06:24
cbx33so I can go back and modify if needs be06:24
cbx33fschoep,06:24
fschoepI see.06:24
fschoepyes -06:24
cbx33http://progbox.co.uk/music06:25
cbx33some old tracks I did06:25
cbx33old old06:25
cbx33if I were doing ones like that06:25
cbx33I'd use rosegarden a lot06:25
fschoepHang on, I'll fire up a song06:25
cbx33hehe06:25
cbx33syberiority06:25
cbx33that's probably one of the best06:26
cbx330906:26
cbx33hehe06:26
cbx33and if you dare to hear me sing06:26
cbx33"The One"06:26
fschoepOK, I took 0906:26
fschoepSounds like an acoustic guitar06:26
cbx33ok, first bit of guitar I ever recorded into PC06:26
cbx33took me 37 takes06:26
fschoepWow06:27
cbx33then i realised the guitar was out of tune06:27
cbx335 takes later I had it :p06:27
fschoepOut of tune guitars are bad06:27
cbx33heheh06:27
fschoepEspecially if you can't do a retake as the musicians have gone home.06:27
cbx33it was when the rest of the song was already recorded :p06:27
cbx33hehe06:27
cbx33well all that stuff was me solo :p06:27
fschoep:)06:27
fschoepThe drums, they're MIDI I guess?06:27
cbx33apart from one solo on one track06:27
cbx33unfortunately yes06:28
cbx33I could have done them a lot better now06:28
cbx33I do actually play drums06:28
fschoepI like the sound of the drums a lot, but they are quite "clean" in a way.06:28
cbx33yes06:28
fschoepSo, you play the guitar, keys and drums? Anything else :) ?06:29
cbx33um, bass sometimes, piano if you count that as a seperate instrument06:29
cbx33that's abotu it06:29
cbx33heheh06:29
cbx33oh and I sing badly :p06:29
fschoepI kind of count bass under guitars and piano under keys :) Same interfaces06:30
cbx33indeed06:30
cbx33I really must learn a wind instrument at some time06:30
fschoepI think that would rock06:30
fschoepI can only play the guitar and a bit of keys06:30
cbx33I mean the other amazing thing about linux, is that I can keep IRC web brwoser etc open06:30
cbx33and still record multitrack audio06:30
fschoep:) That's nice, really.06:31
cbx33logic would have died trying to do that on my old pc06:31
cbx33I used to have to keep that pc sooooo clean06:31
fschoepI can imagine06:31
fschoepDid you have dedicated hardware?06:31
cbx33i had a pc running win9806:31
cbx33dual booted with ME06:32
cbx33and installed ONLY logic06:32
fschoepOh dear, Windows ME, everybody RUN!06:32
cbx33exactly06:32
cbx33ME was the only way to get my second midibox running06:32
cbx33driver issue06:32
fschoepThat's pretty bad, since ME was probably the worst Windows version ever.06:32
cbx33I also had/have a 12 track akai dps 12i multitrack recorder06:32
cbx33which was nice for long audio takes like vocals06:33
fschoep(by the way, you're singing's not too bad, mine's far worse)06:33
cbx33haha06:33
cbx33"The One"?06:33
fschoepYup06:33
cbx33probaly my singing at it's best06:33
cbx33i wrote and recorded that one for my wife06:33
cbx33who was my fiancee at the time :p06:33
cbx33hehe06:33
fschoepThat's cute :)06:33
fschoepDon't give up man, I'm pretty sure you can improve with some more practice. Me, however, I can really not sing even with lessons :)06:34
cbx33heheh06:34
cbx33I'm not too worried about singing06:34
fschoepI'll let my guitar do the talking.06:34
cbx33I used to write all the vocal lines when I played in a punk band06:35
cbx33I played drums but wrote all the vocals heheh06:35
fschoep:(06:35
cbx33fschoep, you a mean guitarist?06:35
fschoepOh :)06:35
fschoepThat :( smiley got in there erroneously06:35
cbx33heheh06:35
fschoepNo I'm not mean, I'm quite a cosy person06:35
cbx33hehe06:35
cbx33what type of guitar you play?06:35
fschoepNo, I can play the guitar but I'm not mean06:35
fschoepI play a Telecaster06:36
cbx33oooh06:36
cbx33with distortion?06:36
fschoepA tiny bit06:36
cbx33heheh06:36
fschoepAnd LOOOOOTS of delay06:36
cbx33Marshall Jackhammer, best pedal I ever purchased :p06:36
fschoepKnow The Edge from U2?06:36
cbx33fschoep, oooh, I love playing guitar with delay06:36
fschoepThat's me, in a nutshell.06:36
cbx33very very soothing06:36
cbx33heheh06:36
fschoepI use it for rhythmic effects, like I play dah-dah-dah06:37
cbx33you can just pick random notes and it still sounds ace06:37
cbx33yup I know exactly what you mean06:37
fschoepAnd then the delay makes it sound like dah-digga-dag-digga-dah06:37
cbx33used that quite a lot in these ubuntu sounds06:37
fschoepWait, I've got something funny which you probably already know06:37
cbx33one particualr zyn sound had a nice delay on iy06:37
cbx33fschoep, you got a blog?06:37
fschoepcbx33: No, a website06:38
cbx33ok06:38
cbx33what's the link06:38
cbx33I'll add you to my blog06:38
fschoephttp://www.ffnn.nl06:38
fschoepSince I jumped on the Ubuntu train I haven't been able to update it :(06:38
cbx33heheh06:39
fschoepOh, here's the funny bit:06:39
fschoephttp://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html06:39
fschoepYou might already know it.06:39
cbx33heheh06:40
fschoepI hope you enjoy(ed) it :)06:40
cbx33heheh06:41
fschoepcbx33: I kind of need to start packing for a photo shoot, mind if I talk to you later? It's been great fun :)06:41
cbx33yeh sure06:41
cbx33any time06:41
cbx33just ping me when you see me06:41
cbx33I'm usually around06:41
cbx33photoshoot?06:41
cbx33you taking of being taken?06:42
cbx33 /of/or06:42
fschoepTaking06:42
cbx33silentkeystroke.deviantart.com06:42
cbx33maybe we something else in common :p06:42
fschoepNeed to scout locations for the band's new photos for promotion.06:42
cbx33the band got a website?06:42
fschoepYeah, an old one :)06:42
fschoepBut still maintained06:42
fschoephttp://www.oceansedge.nl06:43
fschoepEat your heart out :)06:43
cbx33heheh06:43
fschoepI'll talk to you soon :)06:43
cbx33ok06:43
cbx33take care06:43
fschoepThanks for chatting!06:43
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cbx33np06:43
cbx33thank you06:43
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msikmaIs it possible that we make the scroll bar a bit larger?11:24
msikmaI think it's a little tiny.11:24
msikmaSome extra pixels would be useful but I'm not sure if this is technically easy to do.11:24
msikmaheh, the scroll bars are the hardest to make because of how small they are11:40

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