[11:15] <lapo> hi
[11:33] <msikma> Hi all
[11:33] <Madpilot> greetings
[11:39] <msikma> Hi Madpilot
[11:40] <msikma> cbx33: by the way, I asked you if you've ever had a Mac OS 9 computer before because that system had amazing support for sound themes. And some really good themes were made for it too.
[11:41] <msikma> About everything could have a sound. Scrolling and window dragging each had three sounds (one for when you began scrolling/dragging, one while doing it (in a loop) unless the scrolling had stopped, and one for when you let go).
[11:41] <msikma> I need to see if I can rip some of those sound themes...
[11:41] <Madpilot> sound-while-dragging sounds more irritating than helpful, to me...
[11:43] <msikma> It was pretty well-done. To me, it wasn't irritating. But individual parts of the sound theme could be turned off in the options.
[12:20] <msikma> hmm
[12:20] <msikma> A mail titled "ALLAH" and written in Turkish was sent to the Python mailing list.
[12:56] <cbx33> msikma: cool
[12:56] <cbx33> might be nice to hear a few for a comparison
[12:56] <cbx33> I'm hoping to work on some audio this afternoon
[12:56] <cbx33> as well as some video tutorials for using ubuntu as a recording studio
[02:32] <troy_s> cbx33!
[02:37] <cbx33> hi troy_s
[02:37] <troy_s> How you doing cbx33?  Just heading off to work.
[02:38] <troy_s> Hope you get some sound design in soon.
[02:38] <cbx33> i will try
[04:53] <cbx33> new sound :D
[04:53] <cbx33> Jungle Beat !!
[05:43] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/ubuntu10.mp3
[05:43] <cbx33> hi fschoep
[05:44] <fschoep> Hey Pete
[05:50] <cbx33> like the new sound?
[05:57] <fschoep> I like the direction with the african drums, but they're probably a bit "heavy", especially the last drum is a bit thunderous :)
[05:58] <cbx33> hokey cokey
[05:58] <cbx33> I'll come up with something else
[05:58] <fschoep> Maybe you should try some lighter drums like a conga to give it a more "tribal" feel instead of war-drums (just my interpretation).
[05:59] <cbx33> ok fschoep nice idea
[05:59] <fschoep> If you want to try more things :) -
[05:59] <cbx33> i think i was trying to get accross the pwoer of ubunut :p
[06:00] <fschoep> That went well :)
[06:00] <cbx33> heheh
[06:00] <cbx33> troy_s, is keen for me to keep churning out new things
[06:00] <cbx33> it is getting harder
[06:00] <fschoep> Indeed, that's the way to go
[06:00] <cbx33> but I'm still going strong
[06:01] <fschoep> It's tough to come up with "new" things over a longer period, but for now you're doing an amazing job :)
[06:01] <cbx33> I think if I was to stop now
[06:01] <cbx33> and come up with new ideas for edgy+1 it'd be ok
[06:01] <cbx33> it's just so many "new" ideas in such a short space of time
[06:01] <fschoep> I see
[06:02] <cbx33> but I'm definitely enjoying it
[06:02] <cbx33> I'm going to produce some video tutorials for ubuntu
[06:02] <fschoep> That's very good to hear!
[06:02] <cbx33> on how to use JACK and Ardour
[06:03] <cbx33> in essence how to create an ubuntu studio
[06:03] <fschoep> That's useful information, Ardour is a nice multitrack (and MIDI?) program last time I tried it.
[06:03] <cbx33> not MIDI yet
[06:03] <fschoep> Do you also know Rosegarden and Muse, both are KDE applications?
[06:03] <cbx33> they have some SoC students working on MIDI
[06:03] <cbx33> I use RoseGarden with Ardour
[06:04] <cbx33> but Muse sucks for Jack syncing
[06:04] <fschoep> It does?
[06:04] <cbx33> yes
[06:04] <fschoep> OK :)
[06:04] <cbx33> it doesn't sync at all
[06:05] <fschoep> That's bad. I always thought Muse was better than Ardour but I couldn't ever get it to run properly.
[06:05] <cbx33> but tbh I think JACK is one of the most fantastic inventions ever
[06:05] <cbx33> Ardour rocks
[06:05] <cbx33> runs so smoothly
[06:05] <fschoep> Yes, Jack is a nice framework, kind of like CoreAudio on Mac OS X.
[06:05] <cbx33> and has some top end tools
[06:05] <cbx33> I've never used a mac
[06:05] <cbx33> I used to have Logic Audio Gold for PC
[06:06] <cbx33> till apple bought out emagix
[06:06] <fschoep> Ouch, you probably weren't too happy with that, then.
[06:06] <cbx33> nope
[06:06] <cbx33> no more new versions
[06:06] <cbx33> no more support
[06:06] <fschoep> That's horrible.
[06:06] <cbx33> but tbh, I find Ardour/JACK/RoseGarden as powerful
[06:06] <cbx33> if not more so
[06:07] <cbx33> Logic was lovely, but I like these guys better
[06:07] <fschoep> Really? I haven't looked into it recently, but I always thought Ardour was lacking good effect plugins.
[06:07] <cbx33> just use the plethora of plugins from Universe
[06:07] <cbx33> ok, yes it is lacking in some respects, but it has everything I need
[06:08] <fschoep> That's probably the best way to look at it.
[06:08] <cbx33> that's why I'm hoping to do the sounds for ubuntu
[06:08] <fschoep> I also use a lot of software which lacks features X, Y and Z, but as long as *I* don't need them, I'm fine with those.
[06:09] <cbx33> so I can then maybe do some interviews with somepeople and tell them how fantastic open source is
[06:09] <fschoep> That's a great goal.
[06:09] <cbx33> fschoep, you learn to make do
[06:09] <cbx33> fschoep, well now you know why I want to do the sounds so much
[06:09] <cbx33> apart from my synth, everything is done in ubuntu
[06:09] <fschoep> That's good background information.
[06:10] <cbx33> You ever read Sound On Sound
[06:10] <fschoep> No, can't recall doing so.
[06:10] <cbx33> fantastic audio magazine
[06:10] <cbx33> www.soundonsound.com
[06:10] <cbx33> i think
[06:10] <cbx33> I was hoping maybe to get an article published in there about doing the ubuntu sounds,..if I manage to get mine in there
[06:11] <cbx33> show off what this baby (ubuntu) can really do
[06:11] <fschoep> That would be a nice publicity stunt.
[06:11] <fschoep> Is it easy to set up Ardour on Ubuntu?
[06:12] <cbx33> VERY
[06:12] <cbx33> and that's another reason why I was goign to do the video tutorials
[06:12] <cbx33> I love the flexibility of JACK/Apps
[06:13] <fschoep> What advantages does Jack offer?
[06:13] <cbx33> it's fantastic
[06:13] <cbx33> just the ability to plug any apps output into anyother apps input
[06:13] <fschoep> I always thought Jack was just a sound-system abstraction layer.
[06:13] <cbx33> and the common transport system
[06:13] <cbx33> I know midi and MMC can do it
[06:13] <cbx33> but jack seems to do it so much better
[06:14] <fschoep> Sounds useful, how do you utilize it in your current setup?
[06:14] <cbx33> JACK is at the centre
[06:14] <cbx33> fschoep, this is sounding more and more like an interview :p
[06:14] <fschoep> Oh, I'm sorry :)
[06:14] <cbx33> heheh
[06:14] <cbx33> I j/k
[06:14] <fschoep> I thought you might enjoy talking about your setup :)
[06:14] <cbx33> Of course
[06:14] <cbx33> it's much smaller than it used to be
[06:15] <cbx33> my studio used to be worth about 6000
[06:15] <cbx33> but it's scattered about now
[06:15] <fschoep> I'm not used to using Linux for audio, so I'm interested in your experiences.
[06:15] <cbx33> well, tbh, apart fro the VERY occasional crash
[06:16] <cbx33> it's very very stable
[06:16] <cbx33> as you saw I even made one of my sounds completely on my laptop
[06:16] <cbx33> on a train
[06:16] <cbx33> multitrack playback on a train :p
[06:16] <fschoep> :)
[06:16] <cbx33> at the moment
[06:16] <cbx33> I have my Korg X5D
[06:16] <cbx33> which goes into a MidiSport 2x2
[06:17] <cbx33> and then goes itno the USB
[06:17] <fschoep> OK
[06:17] <cbx33> JACK also handles all my midi connections
[06:17] <cbx33> I can route any input from one to any output to another
[06:18] <cbx33> although the midi is handled by ALSA I believe, JACK does a really good job of interfacing
[06:18] <cbx33> you can save you setups/patchbay arrangements in JACK
[06:18] <cbx33> to be recalled later
[06:18] <fschoep> OK, nice feature
[06:18] <cbx33> which is handy if you're working on one project a lot
[06:18] <cbx33> but it's jus thte shear flexability that the conecpt offers
[06:18] <fschoep> I used Jack's MIDI capabilities to power QSynth (ring a bell?)
[06:18] <cbx33> yes
[06:19] <cbx33> I use ZynAddSubFX
[06:19] <fschoep> The Wiki link :)
[06:19] <cbx33> which is cool, but you must modprobe snd_seq first
[06:19] <cbx33> else it'll crash
[06:19] <cbx33> and it doesn't run on AMD64 at all :p
[06:19] <fschoep> I didn't look into ZynAddSubFX earlier, but it looks very promising
[06:19] <cbx33> it's a nice synth
[06:20] <fschoep> The sounds you are using, are those mixed from the Korg and ZynAddSubFX?
[06:20] <cbx33> it has a virtual keyboard which is playable via your computer keyboard
[06:20] <cbx33> mainly from the Korg tbh
[06:20] <fschoep> :)
[06:20] <cbx33> I find the Zyn sounds good, but harsh
[06:20] <cbx33> very fast attacks
[06:20] <cbx33> whcih are nice from some applications, and indeed I could go in and change them
[06:21] <fschoep> I see. Do you -by chance- have the "Dragon's World" synth on the Korg :) ?
[06:21] <cbx33> but why, when the Korg is sitting there with some lovely sounds
[06:21] <msikma> cbx33: I'll hook up my old Mac OS 9
[06:21] <cbx33> hang on.....lemme see
[06:21] <cbx33> nice msikma
[06:21] <msikma> They are pretty neat sounds. I also had one notably well-done Star Trek sound theme :-)
[06:21] <msikma> Anyway, going home now, see you later...
[06:21] <cbx33> see ya msikma
[06:21] <fschoep> bye Michiel
[06:21] <cbx33> fschoep, no
[06:22] <cbx33> I don't seem to have that one
[06:22] <fschoep> Heh, no problem, we used that one on my band's first demo :)
[06:22] <cbx33> :(
[06:22] <cbx33> ah coool
[06:22] <cbx33> there probaly is a reincarnation of it
[06:22] <cbx33> under a different name
[06:22] <fschoep> I think so, audio stuff generally seems to have lots of legacy sounds in newer gear.
[06:22] <cbx33> the X5D has tonnes of sounds...but is a complete synth so I can create my own too
[06:22] <fschoep> Oh, that's neat
[06:23] <cbx33> fschoep, there is one sound...<<headhunter>> which can be used to play the treehouse tune from themepark
[06:23] <cbx33> and I mean almost exactly
[06:23] <cbx33> it's scarily close
[06:23] <fschoep> Hehe :)
[06:23] <fschoep> Scary in itself
[06:23] <cbx33> hehe
[06:23] <fschoep> When you record stuff, do you record MIDI or audio? I'd guess the latter?
[06:23] <cbx33> I tend at the moment to use audio
[06:24] <fschoep> I wondered, because Ardour doesn't do MIDI :)
[06:24] <cbx33> purely because I know what keys I've pressed and it's not hard to remember
[06:24] <fschoep> True
[06:24] <cbx33> but I have used rosegarden
[06:24] <cbx33> to record the midis
[06:24] <cbx33> and then bounced that to audio and muted the midi track
[06:24] <cbx33> so I can go back and modify if needs be
[06:24] <cbx33> fschoep,
[06:24] <fschoep> I see.
[06:24] <fschoep> yes -
[06:25] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/music
[06:25] <cbx33> some old tracks I did
[06:25] <cbx33> old old
[06:25] <cbx33> if I were doing ones like that
[06:25] <cbx33> I'd use rosegarden a lot
[06:25] <fschoep> Hang on, I'll fire up a song
[06:25] <cbx33> hehe
[06:25] <cbx33> syberiority
[06:26] <cbx33> that's probably one of the best
[06:26] <cbx33> 09
[06:26] <cbx33> hehe
[06:26] <cbx33> and if you dare to hear me sing
[06:26] <cbx33> "The One"
[06:26] <fschoep> OK, I took 09
[06:26] <fschoep> Sounds like an acoustic guitar
[06:26] <cbx33> ok, first bit of guitar I ever recorded into PC
[06:26] <cbx33> took me 37 takes
[06:27] <fschoep> Wow
[06:27] <cbx33> then i realised the guitar was out of tune
[06:27] <cbx33> 5 takes later I had it :p
[06:27] <fschoep> Out of tune guitars are bad
[06:27] <cbx33> heheh
[06:27] <fschoep> Especially if you can't do a retake as the musicians have gone home.
[06:27] <cbx33> it was when the rest of the song was already recorded :p
[06:27] <cbx33> hehe
[06:27] <cbx33> well all that stuff was me solo :p
[06:27] <fschoep> :)
[06:27] <fschoep> The drums, they're MIDI I guess?
[06:27] <cbx33> apart from one solo on one track
[06:28] <cbx33> unfortunately yes
[06:28] <cbx33> I could have done them a lot better now
[06:28] <cbx33> I do actually play drums
[06:28] <fschoep> I like the sound of the drums a lot, but they are quite "clean" in a way.
[06:28] <cbx33> yes
[06:29] <fschoep> So, you play the guitar, keys and drums? Anything else :) ?
[06:29] <cbx33> um, bass sometimes, piano if you count that as a seperate instrument
[06:29] <cbx33> that's abotu it
[06:29] <cbx33> heheh
[06:29] <cbx33> oh and I sing badly :p
[06:30] <fschoep> I kind of count bass under guitars and piano under keys :) Same interfaces
[06:30] <cbx33> indeed
[06:30] <cbx33> I really must learn a wind instrument at some time
[06:30] <fschoep> I think that would rock
[06:30] <fschoep> I can only play the guitar and a bit of keys
[06:30] <cbx33> I mean the other amazing thing about linux, is that I can keep IRC web brwoser etc open
[06:30] <cbx33> and still record multitrack audio
[06:31] <fschoep> :) That's nice, really.
[06:31] <cbx33> logic would have died trying to do that on my old pc
[06:31] <cbx33> I used to have to keep that pc sooooo clean
[06:31] <fschoep> I can imagine
[06:31] <fschoep> Did you have dedicated hardware?
[06:31] <cbx33> i had a pc running win98
[06:32] <cbx33> dual booted with ME
[06:32] <cbx33> and installed ONLY logic
[06:32] <fschoep> Oh dear, Windows ME, everybody RUN!
[06:32] <cbx33> exactly
[06:32] <cbx33> ME was the only way to get my second midibox running
[06:32] <cbx33> driver issue
[06:32] <fschoep> That's pretty bad, since ME was probably the worst Windows version ever.
[06:32] <cbx33> I also had/have a 12 track akai dps 12i multitrack recorder
[06:33] <cbx33> which was nice for long audio takes like vocals
[06:33] <fschoep> (by the way, you're singing's not too bad, mine's far worse)
[06:33] <cbx33> haha
[06:33] <cbx33> "The One"?
[06:33] <fschoep> Yup
[06:33] <cbx33> probaly my singing at it's best
[06:33] <cbx33> i wrote and recorded that one for my wife
[06:33] <cbx33> who was my fiancee at the time :p
[06:33] <cbx33> hehe
[06:33] <fschoep> That's cute :)
[06:34] <fschoep> Don't give up man, I'm pretty sure you can improve with some more practice. Me, however, I can really not sing even with lessons :)
[06:34] <cbx33> heheh
[06:34] <cbx33> I'm not too worried about singing
[06:34] <fschoep> I'll let my guitar do the talking.
[06:35] <cbx33> I used to write all the vocal lines when I played in a punk band
[06:35] <cbx33> I played drums but wrote all the vocals heheh
[06:35] <fschoep> :(
[06:35] <cbx33> fschoep, you a mean guitarist?
[06:35] <fschoep> Oh :)
[06:35] <fschoep> That :( smiley got in there erroneously
[06:35] <cbx33> heheh
[06:35] <fschoep> No I'm not mean, I'm quite a cosy person
[06:35] <cbx33> hehe
[06:35] <cbx33> what type of guitar you play?
[06:35] <fschoep> No, I can play the guitar but I'm not mean
[06:36] <fschoep> I play a Telecaster
[06:36] <cbx33> oooh
[06:36] <cbx33> with distortion?
[06:36] <fschoep> A tiny bit
[06:36] <cbx33> heheh
[06:36] <fschoep> And LOOOOOTS of delay
[06:36] <cbx33> Marshall Jackhammer, best pedal I ever purchased :p
[06:36] <fschoep> Know The Edge from U2?
[06:36] <cbx33> fschoep, oooh, I love playing guitar with delay
[06:36] <fschoep> That's me, in a nutshell.
[06:36] <cbx33> very very soothing
[06:36] <cbx33> heheh
[06:37] <fschoep> I use it for rhythmic effects, like I play dah-dah-dah
[06:37] <cbx33> you can just pick random notes and it still sounds ace
[06:37] <cbx33> yup I know exactly what you mean
[06:37] <fschoep> And then the delay makes it sound like dah-digga-dag-digga-dah
[06:37] <cbx33> used that quite a lot in these ubuntu sounds
[06:37] <fschoep> Wait, I've got something funny which you probably already know
[06:37] <cbx33> one particualr zyn sound had a nice delay on iy
[06:37] <cbx33> fschoep, you got a blog?
[06:38] <fschoep> cbx33: No, a website
[06:38] <cbx33> ok
[06:38] <cbx33> what's the link
[06:38] <cbx33> I'll add you to my blog
[06:38] <fschoep> http://www.ffnn.nl
[06:38] <fschoep> Since I jumped on the Ubuntu train I haven't been able to update it :(
[06:39] <cbx33> heheh
[06:39] <fschoep> Oh, here's the funny bit:
[06:39] <fschoep> http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html
[06:39] <fschoep> You might already know it.
[06:40] <cbx33> heheh
[06:40] <fschoep> I hope you enjoy(ed) it :)
[06:41] <cbx33> heheh
[06:41] <fschoep> cbx33: I kind of need to start packing for a photo shoot, mind if I talk to you later? It's been great fun :)
[06:41] <cbx33> yeh sure
[06:41] <cbx33> any time
[06:41] <cbx33> just ping me when you see me
[06:41] <cbx33> I'm usually around
[06:41] <cbx33> photoshoot?
[06:42] <cbx33> you taking of being taken?
[06:42] <cbx33>  /of/or
[06:42] <fschoep> Taking
[06:42] <cbx33> silentkeystroke.deviantart.com
[06:42] <cbx33> maybe we something else in common :p
[06:42] <fschoep> Need to scout locations for the band's new photos for promotion.
[06:42] <cbx33> the band got a website?
[06:42] <fschoep> Yeah, an old one :)
[06:42] <fschoep> But still maintained
[06:43] <fschoep> http://www.oceansedge.nl
[06:43] <fschoep> Eat your heart out :)
[06:43] <cbx33> heheh
[06:43] <fschoep> I'll talk to you soon :)
[06:43] <cbx33> ok
[06:43] <cbx33> take care
[06:43] <fschoep> Thanks for chatting!
[06:43] <cbx33> np
[06:43] <cbx33> thank you
[11:24] <msikma> Is it possible that we make the scroll bar a bit larger?
[11:24] <msikma> I think it's a little tiny.
[11:24] <msikma> Some extra pixels would be useful but I'm not sure if this is technically easy to do.
[11:40] <msikma> heh, the scroll bars are the hardest to make because of how small they are