=== poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-72-64-214-4.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-163.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === hybrid [n=x@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:11] -marketing is a very quiet place... === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:29] Yo [02:29] it's because the room is logged. [02:29] I know..it's still quiet [02:32] because the room is logged and people keep up on these logs. don't want to flood the log with irrelevant banter. [02:34] Yeah..got it. Just commenting on the lack of activity..not banter [02:34] :) [02:39] I've got over a weeks worth of videos stacked up and ready to go on Ubuntu Video - Including a couple more of Mark Shuttleworth and an episode of the Shuttleworth Foundation's Go Open [02:40] coolness. [02:41] I won't be participating in Ubuntu Video... I don't have the equipment... [02:41] me either lol [02:41] Heres one i bet you havent seen http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2530762832911796637&q=shuttleworth [02:41] I wont be posting that lol === hybrid [n=x@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:54] hey guys [02:54] Hiya [02:56] how's it going? [02:57] Good..just posting videos. You? === iCod [n=iCod@72-161-95-71.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:58] hey [02:59] brb [02:59] johnlittle: not bad.. working on building python for my Palm [02:59] Cool [03:00] Yay videos [03:00] I'm trying to write an RSS aggregator for it.. so I can download RSS feeds in the morning, transfer them to my Palm and read them on the way to school [03:00] I noticed my blog is linked to on the Ubuntu Video site [03:00] I'm back, I'm came in here quick to check if you guys knew about www.ubuntuvideo.com [03:00] That makes me happy on the inside. [03:00] adamant, I was typing as you said that [03:01] :) [03:02] yeah [03:02] brb, again === iCod [n=iCod@72-161-95-71.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [03:15] Um yeah..I've heard of it lol [03:15] I just sent Roblimo an email..asked if I could use some of the stuff he's done. === iCod [n=iCod@72-161-95-71.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:56] I'm back [03:56] wb === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:59] thanks [04:08] yep [04:09] hmmmm [04:15] so yeah === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.154.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:21] Just got an email from Roblimo where he said he'd be willing to pay people for producing high quality linux related videos [04:21] No details yet but that's an interesting thought [04:21] very interesting [04:22] screencasting is very easy, but I doubt thats what he's talking about [04:22] Nope he's talking better than YouTube quality video [04:23] hmmm... [04:23] But still something that most people could do pretty simply [04:26] interesting === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:08] Burgundavia: pong === iCod [n=iCod@72-161-95-71.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixterna1_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixterna1_ is now known as RichJ === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=rjian@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:52] Hello people of FOSS [07:53] we're just the people of the Ubuntu part of FOSS :) [07:54] Weeeee [07:55] That gives me an idea for a blog lol [08:38] whiprush: ping (again, sorry out) === MenZa [n=menza@0x535861f5.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === matthewrevell [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:05] elkbuntu: Hey - did you see the Frdige story? === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FD57A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:06] matthewrevell, is Jono's new position w/ Canonical paid or volunteer? [10:07] It's a paid position. [10:07] matthewrevell: you getting the one-on-one> [10:08] klepas: Not sure what you mean [10:08] or are you just too afraid to answer given the topic? :P [10:08] ./q matthewrevell === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:08] klepas: Sorry mate, I'm a bit lost. [10:09] klepas: What are you asking? [10:09] what client are you useing? [10:09] one-on-one sounds a bit kinky [10:09] Oh [10:09] irssi [10:09] mdke: lollers [10:09] matthewrevell: type /q klepas [10:09] oh right [10:09] klepas: HAve you identified yourself to Freenode? [10:10] /msg nickserv identify your-password [10:10] ah.. [10:10] so it's me [10:10] :) === klepas feels stupid === matthewrevell kicks stupid klepas [10:10] :) [10:17] matthewrevell I had a quesiton for you about the previous show and I can't remember it (I only listened to it last week) === ompaul goes off wondering if it is worth listening to again to work out what one should do next [10:18] :) [10:18] Probably not worth listening to again :) [10:18] as in try to remember the question or not as the case may be [10:18] ohh yeah, I remember can we fall to pm? [10:19] cos it is offtopic for Ubuntu [10:19] :-) [10:19] to offtopic and beyond! [10:19] :) === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Marketing [10:25] that is where everything should start [10:25] i just emailed teh list with a long, boring, drawn out rambling about Ubuntu Marketing [10:26] im not affraid to say it, but the current state of "Marketing" is not good and needs massive direction. I cannot wait for Jono to start next month ;) [10:27] we keep talking about spread ubuntu, magazine and what not, but we never talk about marketing...ubuntu doesn't even have a marketing project, yet there is a team who keeps talking about spread ubuntu, magazines, bzr, svn [10:27] come on people...lets take this puppy by the reins and do real marketing stuff! === mdke notes that long drawn out ramblings are quite well represented on the mailing list [10:28] now, was that a "Lou Holtz" motivations speach or what ;) [10:28] spread ubuntu sounds like a reasonable project for a marketing team though [10:28] i even tried to do it in a grumpy old voice with an irish accent, did ya notice it ;) [10:28] I haven't read it yet, I've just been reading another long drawn out rambling email [10:29] it sounds like a reasonable "campaign/project" under a main Ubuntu Marketing Project [10:29] I'm in two minds, here. [10:30] I've done an academic course in marketing [10:30] I've done some marketing in my day job [10:30] I've been a member of the free software community for a few years now [10:30] my cousin for instance, she works for the Chicago Cubs as a Marketing VP...i had her take a look at our stuff..and she said ok, where is Ubuntu Marketing? i see ripples in the puddle, but no ocean...something to that effect [10:30] nixternal: let him talk [10:30] oh..sorry [10:31] Bringing those together seems like an insurmountable task, at the moment. [10:31] Just quickly... [10:31] Sorry to hog the channel... [10:31] hehe [10:31] no, continue please ;) [10:32] The way the Marketing Team is working atm makes it almost impossible to do any serious planning *as a team*. [10:32] Canonical don't have loads of time to give us. [10:32] So we have to make it up. [10:32] Which is almost counterproductive. [10:32] The team isn't cohesive [10:32] so we can't plan together [10:32] very true [10:32] So, as much as I love the idea of planning etc [10:33] I think the only thing we can do at the moment is work on individual projects and let a team form out of that. [10:33] ends [10:33] :) [10:33] hehe [10:33] when I joined the marketing team list [10:33] but working on individual projects hasn't done anything...i have yet to see anything from an individual project, except for johnlittle's videos [10:34] spread ubuntu is still a drawing for all that we know [10:34] the magazine has about enough content for...heck not even a ToC [10:34] I seem to remember questioning whether the team needed a specific leader, and suggesting that it could start off without a leader. I see little prospect of that working, there is too much lame rambling on the list [10:34] a leader is needed, I'd say [10:34] nixternal: That'd down to limited personal experience. [10:34] mdke: Really? [10:34] don't you think? [10:34] mdke: that'll just lead to a big cattle [10:34] ha! [10:34] battle [10:35] yup [10:35] the last month on the list can be summed up like this: [10:35] i actually have to agree with mdke on a "leader" kind of...and a Canonical one if possible [10:35] nixternal: Ah, now if it were a Canonical person, that's different [10:35] 1. person A gives a long ramblling email about "what is marketing [10:35] 2. person B does it too [10:35] 3. person C does it too [10:35] and so on [10:35] I'd add to that mdke [10:35] 4. ye or me deflate them [10:35] :) [10:35] heh [10:36] I see no need for the leader to be a Canonical person, myself [10:36] truthfully, John Baer knows about marketing, however I don't think he grasps FLOSS or Ubuntu [10:36] mdke: Who could it be then? [10:36] dude [10:36] nixternal: I don't see much evidence of John's marketing knowledge [10:36] you're the only candidate, for me [10:36] nixternal: Seems like alovely guy etc [10:36] mdke: Well, thanks but I have little experience in that sort of thing. [10:37] well, he knows marketing in a "Corporate" setting, since that is what he does [10:37] mdke: Also, I think jenda would have a thing or two to say === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:37] nixternal: Okay, fair enough. I'm just going by what I've read. [10:37] nixternal: does the corporate marketing approach fullfill our needs? [10:37] i would +1 matthewrevell as well, especially with jono coming aboard, and him and matthewrevell already share a bond [10:37] right, jenda is nice and enthusiastic but doesn't really have the right attributes [10:37] nixternal: Less of those rumours plase [10:37] matthewrevell, w00t for fridge article on the counter, traffic's come out of the slump it was heading too [10:37] s/plase/please [10:37] mindspin: no, especially when he doesn't understand FLOSS or Ubuntu [10:38] rumors? [10:38] nixternal: "share a bond" [10:38] haha [10:38] haha [10:38] nixternal: That Jono and I share a bond.Sorry, geting childish [10:38] mdke get your mind out of the gutter [10:38] you too matthewrevell ;) [10:38] elkbuntu: Cool! :) [10:38] Anyway, back to business. [10:38] yes. [10:38] Let's say we had a leader [10:39] That person wouldn't be able to stop all the endless handwringing would they? [10:39] is this a meeting? [10:39] more then likely not [10:39] I think they would be able to give some direction [10:39] no elkbuntu, this is opensource at its best in brainstorming ;) [10:39] ah [10:39] having a leader will not get us a marketing concept, beside that we really should define our point of start.. [10:39] maybe it won't take a leader, but a few people getting together and saying "stop the crap" [10:40] mdke: I mentioned to Chris K the other day that we need a marketing summit, for want of a better phrase [10:40] People need some real world meeting time to say hi, etc [10:40] mindspin: +1, and it should start out with Marketing, and not spread ubuntu or ubuntu magazine, which for some reason people tend to believe is marketing [10:40] nixternal: agreed [10:40] Then we can come back from that and say to the list, "Okay, this is where we're going" [10:41] yes, I agree. A sprint [10:41] that would rock [10:41] Now, the logistics of that I nigh on impossible tho [10:41] I can get to London no probs. Not sure about other people :) [10:41] it could be a BOF at the next summit as well, no? [10:41] london could be cool beside room is expensive there... [10:42] mindspin: london is the venue for most ubuntu sprints [10:42] Just to satisfy my curiosity, where is everyone? === matthewrevell two hours from London === nixternal is in Chicago [10:42] farnkfurt /germany === mdke 0 hours [10:42] heh [10:42] im a day away [10:42] mindspin: two hours from London, then :) [10:42] been a few years since my last visit as well [10:43] plus the ride... ;-) [10:43] brb [10:43] im going to try and make it to either south africa soon to visit in-laws, or greece [10:43] have to put london on the list, since that is where my x wants to move back to [10:44] Right, so maybe a meet-up isn't totally unrealistic. [10:45] even if everyone can't make it, i think "key personnel" would be well enough [10:45] I'd say we need leadership, rather than a leader. [10:45] yes, that's fair [10:45] Okay, a leader may be usefl. [10:45] ya [10:45] there are some very good aussies on the list, in terms of a meet, that would be problematic [10:45] leadership == direction [10:45] mdke: True. [10:45] Video link :) [10:45] what about starting with a council/membership thing like in other teams/branches [10:45] nixternal: Yeah [10:46] but how is a council determined for the marketing team? [10:46] nixternal: I suppose it would be a case of a hostile takeover [10:46] :-D [10:46] hehe [10:46] the team elects a "council" which is the "leadergroup" [10:46] i was thinking the same thing [10:46] mindspin: What team tho? [10:46] I am not sure about this "council" concept, i have only seen one other team use it (artwork) and that hasn't got off the ground [10:47] I do not think it will help much [10:47] mdke has a great point with that one [10:47] It could be a step after a RL meeting [10:47] except for greating bureaucracy [10:47] I'd prefer a bunch of us to decide on a broad direction, then some specific projects, and to come back to the list and say, "This is where we're going, join us if you like". [10:47] The team, to be fair, is crying out for that. [10:47] a council still wouldn't provide us guidance or direction, but we would have leadership in a way [10:47] A "to do list" has been requested several times. [10:48] yes [10:48] ya, there are a few of them from what i have seen as well [10:48] they all have spread ubuntu, ubuntu magazine, and some charter [10:49] spread ubuntu is great, and unoriginal at the same time..but the grassroots potential is decent [10:49] nixternal: We need to be careful with SU [10:49] the magazine i feel is a waste of time right now [10:49] Spread has been done many times [10:49] IMO SU should not be done jsut because it's worked for Firefox [10:49] omg +11111 [10:49] However, some kind of grass roots advocacy support site would be good [10:49] so true [10:49] marketing.ubuntu.com [10:50] Magazine - agreed, not got any real purpose [10:50] and from there extend [10:50] nixternal: advocate.ubuntu.com? [10:50] UWN and Fridge rules that [10:50] the key is to ensure that there aren't overlaps with the website [10:50] that as well matthewrevell, actually i like that [10:50] mdke: Absolutely [10:50] if you notice LoCo is all about "Advocating" [10:51] there needs to be "Ubuntu Marketing" before you can start creating campaigns or projects and saying that is marketing [10:51] right now, there is nothing on Ubuntu.com that explains the "Marketing Goals" of Ubuntu [10:51] before a team can work, or move forward, there needs to be a "Marketing Plan" [10:51] beside is for humans [10:51] nixternal: The first interview we did, with a big name, on LugRadio was with sabdfl [10:52] yup [10:52] He basically said that Ubuntu had no traditional marketing [10:52] Now, admittedly, we basically became the Ubuntu propaganda dept after thaqt [10:52] but my point is [10:52] hehe [10:52] that Canonical's marketing has largely been ShipIT and that's it. [10:52] i like the "propaganda dept" [10:52] Things are changing a bit now, it would see,/ [10:52] God I shit at typing [10:53] matthewrevell: its called public Relations guys [10:53] lol [10:53] :) [10:53] Now the Communications Manager role is up for grabs, I think we'll see more traditional marketing from Canonical [10:53] and indeed PR is the most important thing in my eyes [10:53] ok, so sabdfl states no traditional marketing, but do they want marketing, or just advocacy? [10:53] mindspin: PR has its place, of course. [10:53] we do not sell a product, we sell an idea [10:53] nixternal: They want marketing [10:53] mindspin: not true [10:54] mindspin: we sell Ubuntu. [10:54] excellent, other wise i was going to create #ubuntu-advocacy ;) [10:54] Just because the cost is not financial, doesn't mean it's not sold [10:54] but marketing != selling [10:54] as we all know :) [10:54] Anyway, back to trying to get some kind of coherence to this team. [10:55] so matthewrevell, with you and jono bonding the way you do ;) he will be working pretty close with this team then? I know he will be working close with LoCo's [10:55] I don't see how we can decide on a direction, without Canonical's involvement [10:55] nixternal: Yeah, I've spoken to Jono about the marketing team quite a bit [10:55] cool [10:55] nixternal: He bows to my marketing-fu :) [10:55] hehe [10:55] he'll be working on improving the team as a team, rather than doing the actual marketing [10:56] Seriously, though, he's well up for working with the team [10:56] I've described our, erm, difficulties [10:56] well, i did watch LRL and the only mention of Ubuntu was with Keybuck [10:56] Keybuck? [10:56] remnant [10:56] (scott) [10:57] Oh, yeah [10:57] ya [10:57] lol [10:57] Sorry, I think of him as "microphone monkey" [10:57] lol [10:57] exactly [10:57] Yeah, but that was only 70 mins of a very full weekend :) [10:57] i know, had to poke fun though ;) [10:57] :) [10:58] and didn't dotwaffle do some cutting? [10:58] ;) [11:00] i have been working closely with Ubuntu Chicago, LoCo...we have been doing a lot of "Advocacy", to the point we have provided more then 1000 cds, have about 50 active support calls/deals, and converted a recent Linux Install Fest from the typical 10 to 15 fedora installers, to almost 100 people, 80+ installing Ubuntu [11:00] cool [11:01] that is my baby there, as i took it from the ground up and got it kickin' butt..i got lucky with the group of guys i got though [11:01] we actually have a few women making their way into it as well [11:02] i played the leadership roll just until it got lifted off the ground...then we went to open forum really...everyone is a member, team contact, and can rock and roll on any project they would like [11:02] we have Ubuntu Posters in certain places in chicago..we have CompUSA hosting CDs at their register right now in 2 locations [11:03] Superb [11:03] So, you've built up what could be called "best practice". [11:03] and hopefully, soon, i am in the process of bartering about 100+ hours for 5 billboard spots for 1 month..if i had $150k to throw away, i could get 5 billboard at each of the 4 major entrances into chicago [11:03] pretty much ya [11:03] that sounds very cool [11:04] 5 billboards, 1 ubuntu philosophy general, with the other 4 being ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu [11:04] nixternal: have you documented some of this? other loco teams might be interested (except the bit that requires cash) [11:04] hehe [11:04] I'm serious [11:04] we are working on documentation and pictures now [11:05] You see, this is where I think the marketing team can come into its own [11:05] this has all happened within weeks..we got flooded actually with responses [11:05] when you have written down what you've done, please post it to -marketing and loco-contacts === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:05] most definitely [11:05] One of our main roles, I reckon, should be to find what people are doing and act as a central resource to distribute things that work. [11:05] Ideas, contacts, all that jazz. [11:06] one of our guys owns a business in a rich area of chicago, and has pictures of famous people holding ubuntu cd's [11:06] i don't know who they are yet, but he said i would love it [11:06] Cool :) [11:06] im guessing sports people from like the cubs, whitesox, and hopefully jordan! [11:06] mmm jordan [11:06] oh, this must be a different one [11:07] i tried to get brad pitt to hold an ubuntu cd a couple of weeks ago when he was here in chicago...i pretty much got told off [11:07] michael jordan ;) [11:07] damn [11:08] we are planning a day at the cubs game as a group of 10, since my cousin works marketing, she said we could be pimped as a group for Ubuntu, and allow us to display a banner to be seen on TV [11:08] it might actually be more then 10 though, becase everyone wants to go, evern the ones who said they hate the cubs [11:08] anyways, enough about LoCo, this is marketing! [11:09] nixternal: I think you raise an important point, though: the marketing team should be working closely with LoCo teams. [11:09] and that has been said since i started hanging out here in marketing [11:10] but never done..i know im a LoCo person, bimberi is, and im sure a few others are, Burgwork is [11:10] the au team i heard is awesome [11:10] as well as the brazil team i believe [11:10] loads of teams are great, they need to communicate better with eachother tho [11:10] Burgwork mostly gets in arguments with the local LoCo longtimers :) [11:12] So, area for the team is: Find and advise of effective advocacy, working with LoCo teams. [11:13] Sorry, "one area for the team" [11:13] and "on effective" [11:13] Less haste, more spreed... [11:13] hehe [11:13] arse, can't even type that [11:13] hahah [11:14] spreed? whazzat? [11:14] ;) [11:14] :) === Kamping_Kaiser felt pained today - Centos $someversion (linux2.4, gnome 2.2.2) being held up as an example of 'linux today', along with a 'linux has no guis' comment - thats what i need to change :| [11:14] oof [11:15] 4:15am...i love it [11:15] nothing like brainstorming when only 1 eye works [11:15] hehehe === Madpilot could have sworn he was typing this from a Linux GUI... guess I'm hallucinating... [11:15] nixternal: This server works on your local time? Nice [11:15] hehe [11:15] Madpilot, friad so - gotta trust your lecturors, they know all.... [11:16] :) [11:17] Okay [11:18] I gotta push off shortly [11:18] But this has been useful [11:18] I think we have a group of people now who "get it" in terms of FOSS, Ubuntu and marketing [11:19] We need to rein in the ML a bit [11:19] I'd like to see fewer emails to the list, maybe I will reply to John and be frank [11:19] and start showing some more leadership [11:19] mdke: Yeah, I'll gladly back you up [11:19] mdke: Although, I thought I'd been frank in the past and it didn't seem to do much [11:20] yeah [11:20] we'll see [11:20] i will hide behind you ;) [11:20] Shall we try to agree on three or four areas where we see the team having a hand [11:20] ? [11:21] you have my support mdke, as well as you matthewrevell [11:21] you both are very trustworthy and know what is up! [11:22] i think the team would be great for centralizing documentation, artwork, and what have you for Ubuntu Advocacy [11:22] i know there is a DIYMarketing page, however there needs to be some "New" or "Fresh" stuff done [11:23] and when i say documentation, i mean like pamphlets, flyers, presentations, and such [11:23] I think we should nuke the legacy wiki pages, back from the old ubuntupeople.com days [11:28] alrighty, im off to bed..i will be back on here after the gym and what not [11:29] g'nite, and good chattin' everyone! [11:29] night [11:29] night [11:29] night [11:29] okay, I need to go too. What action do we take now? [11:29] Persuade Canonical to fund/organise a summit? [11:29] Stamp harder on rambling on the ML [11:29] sounds reasonable === mdke puts on some big boots [11:30] Propose a general vision for the team and three or four practical areas people can work on [11:30] :) [11:30] and come to a basic consensus about the targets [11:32] mindspin: yes, which is the difficult bit IMO [11:32] not that difficult if we can make it to have a sense for the plurality of targets [11:33] Yeah, it's important not to be overly prescriptive. [11:34] So, shall I put together a brief and grounded "vision" email for the ML? It'll prolong the pain a little, but if you guys can debate it and we can agree on the ML, then we should see an end to the "this is how it's going to be" stuff [11:34] yes, please [11:36] Okay, I'll do that at some point today, if at all possible. [11:36]