[02:11] <johnlittle>  -marketing is a very quiet place...
[02:29] <johnlittle> Yo
[02:29] <adamant1988> it's because the room is logged.
[02:29] <johnlittle> I know..it's still quiet
[02:32] <adamant1988> because the room is logged and people keep up on these logs.  don't want to flood the log with irrelevant banter.
[02:34] <johnlittle> Yeah..got it. Just commenting on the lack of activity..not banter
[02:34] <adamant1988> :)
[02:39] <johnlittle> I've got over a weeks worth of videos stacked up and ready to go on Ubuntu Video - Including a couple more of Mark Shuttleworth and an episode of the Shuttleworth Foundation's Go Open
[02:40] <adamant1988> coolness.
[02:41] <adamant1988> I won't be participating in Ubuntu Video... I don't have the equipment...
[02:41] <johnlittle> me either lol
[02:41] <johnlittle> Heres one i bet you havent seen http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2530762832911796637&q=shuttleworth
[02:41] <johnlittle> I wont be posting that lol
[02:54] <lophyte> hey guys
[02:54] <johnlittle> Hiya
[02:56] <lophyte> how's it going?
[02:57] <johnlittle> Good..just posting videos. You?
[02:58] <iCod> hey
[02:59] <iCod> brb
[02:59] <lophyte> johnlittle: not bad.. working on building python for my Palm
[02:59] <johnlittle> Cool
[03:00] <adamant1988> Yay videos
[03:00] <lophyte> I'm trying to write an RSS aggregator for it.. so I can download RSS feeds in the morning, transfer them to my Palm and read them on the way to school
[03:00] <adamant1988> I noticed my blog is linked to on the Ubuntu Video site
[03:00] <iCod> I'm back, I'm came in here quick to check if you guys knew about www.ubuntuvideo.com
[03:00] <adamant1988> That makes me happy on the inside.
[03:00] <iCod> adamant, I was typing as you said that
[03:01] <adamant1988> :)
[03:02] <iCod> yeah
[03:02] <iCod> brb, again
[03:15] <johnlittle> Um yeah..I've heard of it lol
[03:15] <johnlittle> I just sent Roblimo an email..asked if I could use some of the stuff he's done.
[03:56] <iCod> I'm back
[03:56] <johnlittle> wb
[03:59] <iCod> thanks
[04:08] <adamant1988> yep
[04:09] <iCod> hmmmm
[04:15] <iCod> so yeah
[04:21] <johnlittle> Just got an email from Roblimo where he said he'd be willing to pay people for producing high quality linux related videos
[04:21] <johnlittle> No details yet but that's an interesting thought
[04:21] <iCod> very interesting
[04:22] <iCod> screencasting is very easy, but I doubt thats what he's talking about
[04:22] <johnlittle> Nope he's talking better than YouTube quality video
[04:23] <iCod> hmmm...
[04:23] <johnlittle> But still something that most people could do pretty simply
[04:26] <iCod> interesting
[05:08] <whiprush> Burgundavia: pong
[07:52] <rjian> Hello people of FOSS
[07:53] <Madpilot> we're just the people of the Ubuntu part of FOSS :)
[07:54] <rjian> Weeeee
[07:55] <adamant1988> That gives me an idea for a blog lol
[08:38] <Burgundavia> whiprush: ping (again, sorry out)
[10:05] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Hey - did you see the Frdige story?
[10:06] <Madpilot> matthewrevell, is Jono's new position w/ Canonical paid or volunteer?
[10:07] <matthewrevell> It's a paid position.
[10:07] <klepas> matthewrevell: you getting the one-on-one>
[10:08] <matthewrevell> klepas: Not sure what you mean
[10:08] <klepas> or are you just too afraid to answer given the topic? :P
[10:08] <klepas> ./q matthewrevell
[10:08] <matthewrevell> klepas: Sorry mate, I'm a bit lost.
[10:09] <matthewrevell> klepas: What are you asking?
[10:09] <klepas> what client are you useing?
[10:09] <mdke> one-on-one sounds a bit kinky
[10:09] <matthewrevell> Oh
[10:09] <matthewrevell> irssi
[10:09] <klepas> mdke: lollers
[10:09] <klepas> matthewrevell: type /q klepas
[10:09] <matthewrevell> oh right
[10:09] <matthewrevell> klepas: HAve you identified yourself to Freenode?
[10:10] <matthewrevell>  /msg nickserv identify your-password
[10:10] <klepas> ah..
[10:10] <klepas> so it's me
[10:10] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:10] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:17] <ompaul> matthewrevell I had a quesiton for you about the previous show and I can't remember it  (I only listened to it last week)
[10:18] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:18] <matthewrevell> Probably not worth listening to again :)
[10:18] <ompaul> as in try to remember the question or not as the case may be
[10:18] <ompaul> ohh yeah, I remember can we fall to pm?
[10:19] <ompaul> cos it is offtopic for Ubuntu
[10:19] <ompaul> :-)
[10:19] <ompaul> to offtopic and beyond!
[10:19] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:25] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Marketing
[10:25] <nixternal> that is where everything should start
[10:25] <nixternal> i just emailed teh list with a long, boring, drawn out rambling about Ubuntu Marketing
[10:26] <nixternal> im not affraid to say it, but the current state of "Marketing" is not good and needs massive direction. I cannot wait for Jono to start next month ;)
[10:27] <nixternal> we keep talking about spread ubuntu, magazine and what not, but we never talk about marketing...ubuntu doesn't even have a marketing project, yet there is a team who keeps talking about spread ubuntu, magazines, bzr, svn
[10:27] <nixternal> come on people...lets take this puppy by the reins and do real marketing stuff!
[10:28] <nixternal> now, was that a "Lou Holtz" motivations speach or what ;)
[10:28] <mdke> spread ubuntu sounds like a reasonable project for a marketing team though
[10:28] <nixternal> i even tried to do it in a grumpy old voice with an irish accent, did ya notice it ;)
[10:28] <mdke> I haven't read it yet, I've just been reading another long drawn out rambling email
[10:29] <nixternal> it sounds like a reasonable "campaign/project" under a main Ubuntu Marketing Project
[10:29] <matthewrevell> I'm in two minds, here.
[10:30] <matthewrevell> I've done an academic course in marketing
[10:30] <matthewrevell> I've done some marketing in my day job
[10:30] <matthewrevell> I've been a member of the free software community for a few years now
[10:30] <nixternal> my cousin for instance, she works for the Chicago Cubs as a Marketing VP...i had her take a look at our stuff..and she said ok, where is Ubuntu Marketing?  i see ripples in the puddle, but no ocean...something to that effect
[10:30] <mdke> nixternal: let him talk
[10:30] <nixternal> oh..sorry
[10:31] <matthewrevell> Bringing those together seems like an insurmountable task, at the moment.
[10:31] <matthewrevell> Just quickly...
[10:31] <matthewrevell> Sorry to hog the channel...
[10:31] <nixternal> hehe
[10:31] <nixternal> no, continue please ;)
[10:32] <matthewrevell> The way the Marketing Team is working atm makes it almost impossible to do any serious planning *as a team*.
[10:32] <matthewrevell> Canonical don't have loads of time to give us.
[10:32] <matthewrevell> So we have to make it up.
[10:32] <matthewrevell> Which is almost counterproductive.
[10:32] <matthewrevell> The team isn't cohesive
[10:32] <matthewrevell> so we can't plan together
[10:32] <nixternal> very true
[10:32] <matthewrevell> So, as much as I love the idea of planning etc
[10:33] <matthewrevell> I think the only thing we can do at the moment is work on individual projects and let a team form out of that.
[10:33] <matthewrevell> ends
[10:33] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:33] <nixternal> hehe
[10:33] <mdke> when I joined the marketing team list
[10:33] <nixternal> but working on individual projects hasn't done anything...i have yet to see anything from an individual project, except for johnlittle's videos
[10:34] <nixternal> spread ubuntu is still a drawing for all that we know
[10:34] <nixternal> the magazine has about enough content for...heck not even a ToC
[10:34] <mdke> I seem to remember questioning whether the team needed a specific leader, and suggesting that it could start off without a leader. I see little prospect of that working, there is too much lame rambling on the list
[10:34] <mdke> a leader is needed, I'd say
[10:34] <matthewrevell> nixternal: That'd down to limited personal experience.
[10:34] <matthewrevell> mdke: Really?
[10:34] <mdke> don't you think?
[10:34] <matthewrevell> mdke: that'll just lead to a big cattle
[10:34] <matthewrevell> ha!
[10:34] <matthewrevell> battle
[10:35] <mindspin> yup
[10:35] <mdke> the last month on the list can be summed up like this:
[10:35] <nixternal> i actually have to agree with mdke on a "leader" kind of...and a Canonical one if possible
[10:35] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Ah, now if it were a Canonical person, that's different
[10:35] <mdke> 1. person A gives a long ramblling email about "what is marketing
[10:35] <mdke> 2. person B does it too
[10:35] <mdke> 3. person C does it too
[10:35] <mdke> and so on
[10:35] <matthewrevell> I'd add to that mdke
[10:35] <matthewrevell> 4. ye or me deflate them
[10:35] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:35] <nixternal> heh
[10:36] <mdke> I see no need for the leader to be a Canonical person, myself
[10:36] <nixternal> truthfully, John Baer knows about marketing, however I don't think he grasps FLOSS or Ubuntu
[10:36] <matthewrevell> mdke: Who could it be then?
[10:36] <mdke> dude
[10:36] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I don't see much evidence of John's marketing knowledge
[10:36] <mdke> you're the only candidate, for me
[10:36] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Seems like alovely guy etc
[10:36] <matthewrevell> mdke: Well, thanks but I have little experience in that sort of thing.
[10:37] <nixternal> well, he knows marketing in a "Corporate" setting, since that is what he does
[10:37] <matthewrevell> mdke: Also, I think jenda would have a thing or two to say
[10:37] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Okay, fair enough. I'm just going by what I've read.
[10:37] <mindspin> nixternal: does the corporate marketing approach fullfill our needs?
[10:37] <nixternal> i would +1 matthewrevell as well, especially with jono coming aboard, and him and matthewrevell already share a bond
[10:37] <mdke> right, jenda is nice and enthusiastic but doesn't really have the right attributes
[10:37] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Less of those rumours plase
[10:37] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, w00t for fridge article on the counter, traffic's come out of the slump it was heading too
[10:37] <matthewrevell> s/plase/please
[10:37] <nixternal> mindspin: no, especially when he doesn't understand FLOSS or Ubuntu
[10:38] <nixternal> rumors?
[10:38] <mdke> nixternal: "share a bond"
[10:38] <mdke> haha
[10:38] <nixternal> haha
[10:38] <matthewrevell> nixternal: That Jono and I share a bond.Sorry, geting childish
[10:38] <nixternal> mdke get your mind out of the gutter
[10:38] <nixternal> you too matthewrevell ;)
[10:38] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Cool! :)
[10:38] <matthewrevell> Anyway, back to business.
[10:38] <mdke> yes.
[10:38] <matthewrevell> Let's say we had a leader
[10:39] <matthewrevell> That person wouldn't be able to stop all the endless handwringing would they?
[10:39] <elkbuntu> is this a meeting?
[10:39] <nixternal> more then likely not
[10:39] <mdke> I think they would be able to give some direction
[10:39] <nixternal> no elkbuntu, this is opensource at its best in brainstorming ;)
[10:39] <elkbuntu> ah
[10:39] <mindspin> having a leader will not get us a marketing concept, beside that we really should define our point of start..
[10:39] <mdke> maybe it won't take a leader, but a few people getting together and saying "stop the crap"
[10:40] <matthewrevell> mdke: I mentioned to Chris K the other day that we need a marketing summit, for want of a better phrase
[10:40] <matthewrevell> People need some real world meeting time to say hi, etc
[10:40] <nixternal> mindspin: +1, and it should start out with Marketing, and not spread ubuntu or ubuntu magazine, which for some reason people tend to believe is marketing
[10:40] <mindspin> nixternal: agreed
[10:40] <matthewrevell> Then we can come back from that and say to the list, "Okay, this is where we're going"
[10:41] <mdke> yes, I agree. A sprint
[10:41] <nixternal> that would rock
[10:41] <matthewrevell> Now, the logistics of that I nigh on impossible tho
[10:41] <matthewrevell> I can get to London no probs. Not sure about other people :)
[10:41] <nixternal> it could be a BOF at the next summit as well, no?
[10:41] <mindspin> london could be cool beside room is expensive there...
[10:42] <mdke> mindspin: london is the venue for most ubuntu sprints
[10:42] <matthewrevell> Just to satisfy my curiosity, where is everyone?
[10:42] <mindspin> farnkfurt /germany
[10:42] <nixternal> heh
[10:42] <nixternal> im a day away
[10:42] <matthewrevell> mindspin: two hours from London, then :)
[10:42] <nixternal> been a few years since my last visit as well
[10:43] <mindspin> plus the ride... ;-)
[10:43] <matthewrevell> brb
[10:43] <nixternal> im going to try and make it to either south africa soon to visit in-laws, or greece
[10:43] <nixternal> have to put london on the list, since that is where my x wants to move back to
[10:44] <matthewrevell> Right, so maybe a meet-up isn't totally unrealistic.
[10:45] <nixternal> even if everyone can't make it, i think "key personnel" would be well enough
[10:45] <matthewrevell> I'd say we need leadership, rather than a leader.
[10:45] <mdke> yes, that's fair
[10:45] <matthewrevell> Okay, a leader may be usefl.
[10:45] <nixternal> ya
[10:45] <mdke> there are some very good aussies on the list, in terms of a meet, that would be problematic
[10:45] <nixternal> leadership == direction
[10:45] <matthewrevell> mdke: True.
[10:45] <matthewrevell> Video link :)
[10:45] <mindspin> what about starting with a council/membership thing like in other teams/branches
[10:45] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah
[10:46] <nixternal> but how is a council determined for the marketing team?
[10:46] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I suppose it would be a case of a hostile takeover
[10:46] <matthewrevell> :-D
[10:46] <nixternal> hehe
[10:46] <mindspin> the team elects a "council" which is the "leadergroup"
[10:46] <nixternal> i was thinking the same thing
[10:46] <matthewrevell> mindspin: What team tho?
[10:46] <mdke> I am not sure about this "council" concept, i have only seen one other team use it (artwork) and that hasn't got off the ground
[10:47] <mdke> I do not think it will help much
[10:47] <nixternal> mdke has a great point with that one
[10:47] <mindspin> It could be a step after a RL meeting
[10:47] <mdke> except for greating bureaucracy
[10:47] <matthewrevell> I'd prefer a bunch of us to decide on a broad direction, then some specific projects, and to come back to the list and say, "This is where we're going, join us if you like".
[10:47] <matthewrevell> The team, to be fair, is crying out for that.
[10:47] <nixternal> a council still wouldn't provide us guidance or direction, but we would have leadership in a way
[10:47] <matthewrevell> A "to do list" has been requested several times.
[10:48] <mdke> yes
[10:48] <nixternal> ya, there are a few of them from what i have seen as well
[10:48] <nixternal> they all have spread ubuntu, ubuntu magazine, and some charter
[10:49] <nixternal> spread ubuntu is great, and unoriginal at the same time..but the grassroots potential is decent
[10:49] <matthewrevell> nixternal: We need to be careful with SU
[10:49] <nixternal> the magazine i feel is a waste of time right now
[10:49] <nixternal> Spread has been done many times
[10:49] <matthewrevell> IMO SU should not be done jsut because it's worked for Firefox
[10:49] <nixternal> omg +11111
[10:49] <matthewrevell> However, some kind of grass roots advocacy support site would be good
[10:49] <nixternal> so true
[10:49] <nixternal> marketing.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <matthewrevell> Magazine - agreed, not got any real purpose
[10:50] <nixternal> and from there extend
[10:50] <matthewrevell> nixternal: advocate.ubuntu.com?
[10:50] <nixternal> UWN and Fridge rules that
[10:50] <mdke> the key is to ensure that there aren't overlaps with the website
[10:50] <nixternal> that as well matthewrevell, actually i like that
[10:50] <matthewrevell> mdke: Absolutely
[10:50] <nixternal> if you notice LoCo is all about "Advocating"
[10:51] <nixternal> there needs to be "Ubuntu Marketing" before you can start creating campaigns or projects and saying that is marketing
[10:51] <nixternal> right now, there is nothing on Ubuntu.com that explains the "Marketing Goals" of Ubuntu
[10:51] <nixternal> before a team can work, or move forward, there needs to be a "Marketing Plan"
[10:51] <mindspin> beside is for humans
[10:51] <matthewrevell> nixternal: The first interview we did, with a big name, on LugRadio was with sabdfl
[10:52] <nixternal> yup
[10:52] <matthewrevell> He basically said that Ubuntu had no traditional marketing
[10:52] <matthewrevell> Now, admittedly, we basically became the Ubuntu propaganda dept after thaqt
[10:52] <matthewrevell> but my point is
[10:52] <mdke> hehe
[10:52] <matthewrevell> that Canonical's marketing has largely been ShipIT and that's it.
[10:52] <nixternal> i like the "propaganda dept"
[10:52] <matthewrevell> Things are changing a bit now, it would see,/
[10:52] <matthewrevell> God I shit at typing
[10:53] <mindspin> matthewrevell: its called public Relations guys
[10:53] <nixternal> lol
[10:53] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:53] <matthewrevell> Now the Communications Manager role is up for grabs, I think we'll see more traditional marketing from Canonical
[10:53] <mindspin> and indeed PR is the most important thing in my eyes
[10:53] <nixternal> ok, so sabdfl states no traditional marketing, but do they want marketing, or just advocacy?
[10:53] <matthewrevell> mindspin: PR has its place, of course.
[10:53] <mindspin> we do not sell a product, we sell an idea
[10:53] <matthewrevell> nixternal: They want marketing
[10:53] <matthewrevell> mindspin: not true
[10:54] <matthewrevell> mindspin: we sell Ubuntu.
[10:54] <nixternal> excellent, other wise i was going to create #ubuntu-advocacy ;)
[10:54] <matthewrevell> Just because the cost is not financial, doesn't mean it's not sold
[10:54] <matthewrevell> but marketing != selling
[10:54] <matthewrevell> as we all know :)
[10:54] <matthewrevell> Anyway, back to trying to get some kind of coherence to this team.
[10:55] <nixternal> so matthewrevell, with you and jono bonding the way you do ;)   he will be working pretty close with this team then?  I know he will be working close with LoCo's
[10:55] <matthewrevell> I don't see how we can decide on a direction, without Canonical's involvement
[10:55] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, I've spoken to Jono about the marketing team quite a bit
[10:55] <nixternal> cool
[10:55] <matthewrevell> nixternal: He bows to my marketing-fu :)
[10:55] <nixternal> hehe
[10:55] <mdke> he'll be working on improving the team as a team, rather than doing the actual marketing
[10:56] <matthewrevell> Seriously, though, he's well up for working with the team
[10:56] <matthewrevell> I've described our, erm, difficulties
[10:56] <nixternal> well, i did watch LRL and the only mention of Ubuntu was with Keybuck
[10:56] <matthewrevell> Keybuck?
[10:56] <nixternal> remnant
[10:56] <mdke> (scott)
[10:57] <matthewrevell> Oh, yeah
[10:57] <nixternal> ya
[10:57] <nixternal> lol
[10:57] <matthewrevell> Sorry, I think of him as "microphone monkey"
[10:57] <nixternal> lol
[10:57] <nixternal> exactly
[10:57] <matthewrevell> Yeah, but that was only 70 mins of a very full weekend :)
[10:57] <nixternal> i know, had to poke fun though ;)
[10:57] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:58] <nixternal> and didn't dotwaffle do some cutting?
[10:58] <nixternal> ;)
[11:00] <nixternal> i have been working closely with Ubuntu Chicago, LoCo...we have been doing a lot of "Advocacy", to the point we have provided more then 1000 cds, have about 50 active support calls/deals, and converted a recent Linux Install Fest from the typical 10 to 15 fedora installers, to almost 100 people, 80+ installing Ubuntu
[11:00] <matthewrevell> cool
[11:01] <nixternal> that is my baby there, as i took it from the ground up and got it kickin' butt..i got lucky with the group of guys i got though
[11:01] <nixternal> we actually have a few women making their way into it as well
[11:02] <nixternal> i played the leadership roll just until it got lifted off the ground...then we went to open forum really...everyone is a member, team contact, and can rock and roll on any project they would like
[11:02] <nixternal> we have Ubuntu Posters in certain places in chicago..we have CompUSA hosting CDs at their register right now in 2 locations
[11:03] <matthewrevell> Superb
[11:03] <matthewrevell> So, you've built up what could be called "best practice".
[11:03] <nixternal> and hopefully, soon, i am in the process of bartering about 100+ hours for 5 billboard spots for 1 month..if i had $150k to throw away, i could get 5 billboard at each of the 4 major entrances into chicago
[11:03] <nixternal> pretty much ya
[11:03] <mdke> that sounds very cool
[11:04] <nixternal> 5 billboards, 1 ubuntu philosophy general, with the other 4 being ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu
[11:04] <mdke> nixternal: have you documented some of this? other loco teams might be interested (except the bit that requires cash)
[11:04] <nixternal> hehe
[11:04] <mdke> I'm serious
[11:04] <nixternal> we are working on documentation and pictures now
[11:05] <matthewrevell> You see, this is where I think the marketing team can come into its own
[11:05] <nixternal> this has all happened within weeks..we got flooded actually with responses
[11:05] <mdke> when you have written down what you've done, please post it to -marketing and loco-contacts
[11:05] <nixternal> most definitely
[11:05] <matthewrevell> One of our main roles, I reckon, should be to find what people are doing and act as a central resource to distribute things that work.
[11:05] <matthewrevell> Ideas, contacts, all that jazz.
[11:06] <nixternal> one of our guys owns a business in a rich area of chicago, and has pictures of famous people holding ubuntu cd's
[11:06] <nixternal> i don't know who they are yet, but he said i would love it
[11:06] <matthewrevell> Cool :)
[11:06] <nixternal> im guessing sports people from like the cubs, whitesox, and hopefully jordan!
[11:06] <mdke> mmm jordan
[11:06] <mdke> oh, this must be a different one
[11:07] <nixternal> i tried to get brad pitt to hold an ubuntu cd a couple of weeks ago when he was here in chicago...i pretty much got told off
[11:07] <nixternal> michael jordan ;)
[11:07] <mdke> damn
[11:08] <nixternal> we are planning a day at the cubs game as a group of 10, since my cousin works marketing, she said we could be pimped as a group for Ubuntu, and allow us to display a banner to be seen on TV
[11:08] <nixternal> it might actually be more then 10 though, becase everyone wants to go, evern the ones who said they hate the cubs
[11:08] <nixternal> anyways, enough about LoCo, this is marketing!
[11:09] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I think you raise an important point, though: the marketing team should be working closely with LoCo teams.
[11:09] <nixternal> and that has been said since i started hanging out here in marketing
[11:10] <nixternal> but never done..i know im a LoCo person, bimberi is, and im sure a few others are, Burgwork is
[11:10] <nixternal> the au team i heard is awesome
[11:10] <nixternal> as well as the brazil team i believe
[11:10] <mdke> loads of teams are great, they need to communicate better with eachother tho
[11:10] <Madpilot> Burgwork mostly gets in arguments with the local LoCo longtimers :)
[11:12] <matthewrevell> So, area for the team is: Find and advise of effective advocacy, working with LoCo teams.
[11:13] <matthewrevell> Sorry, "one area for the team"
[11:13] <matthewrevell> and "on effective"
[11:13] <matthewrevell> Less haste, more spreed...
[11:13] <nixternal> hehe
[11:13] <matthewrevell> arse, can't even type that
[11:13] <nixternal> hahah
[11:14] <Madpilot> spreed? whazzat?
[11:14] <Madpilot> ;)
[11:14] <matthewrevell> :)
[11:14] <matthewrevell> oof
[11:15] <nixternal> 4:15am...i love it
[11:15] <nixternal> nothing like brainstorming when only 1 eye works
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[11:15] <matthewrevell> nixternal: This server works on your local time? Nice
[11:15] <nixternal> hehe
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, friad so - gotta trust your lecturors, they know all....
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:17] <matthewrevell> Okay
[11:18] <matthewrevell> I gotta push off shortly
[11:18] <matthewrevell> But this has been useful
[11:18] <matthewrevell> I think we have a group of people now who "get it" in terms of FOSS, Ubuntu and marketing
[11:19] <matthewrevell> We need to rein in the ML a bit
[11:19] <mdke> I'd like to see fewer emails to the list, maybe I will reply to John and be frank
[11:19] <matthewrevell> and start showing some more leadership
[11:19] <matthewrevell> mdke: Yeah, I'll gladly back you up
[11:19] <matthewrevell> mdke: Although, I thought I'd been frank in the past and it didn't seem to do much
[11:20] <mdke> yeah
[11:20] <mdke> we'll see
[11:20] <nixternal> i will hide behind you ;)
[11:20] <matthewrevell> Shall we try to agree on three or four areas where we see the team having a hand
[11:20] <matthewrevell> ?
[11:21] <nixternal> you have my support mdke, as well as you matthewrevell
[11:21] <nixternal> you both are very trustworthy and know what is up!
[11:22] <nixternal> i think the team would be great for centralizing documentation, artwork, and what have you for Ubuntu Advocacy
[11:22] <nixternal> i know there is a DIYMarketing page, however there needs to be some "New" or "Fresh" stuff done
[11:23] <nixternal> and when i say documentation, i mean like pamphlets, flyers, presentations, and such
[11:23] <matthewrevell> I think we should nuke the legacy wiki pages, back from the old ubuntupeople.com days
[11:28] <nixternal> alrighty, im off to bed..i will be back on here after the gym and what not
[11:29] <nixternal> g'nite, and good chattin' everyone!
[11:29] <Madpilot> night
[11:29] <matthewrevell> night
[11:29] <mindspin> night
[11:29] <matthewrevell> okay, I need to go too. What action do we take now?
[11:29] <matthewrevell> Persuade Canonical to fund/organise a summit?
[11:29] <matthewrevell> Stamp harder on rambling on the ML
[11:29] <mindspin> sounds reasonable
[11:30] <matthewrevell> Propose a general vision for the team and three or four practical areas people can work on
[11:30] <matthewrevell> :)
[11:30] <mindspin> and come to a basic consensus about the targets
[11:32] <matthewrevell> mindspin: yes, which is the difficult bit IMO
[11:32] <mindspin> not that difficult if we can make it to have a sense for the plurality of targets
[11:33] <matthewrevell> Yeah, it's important not to be overly prescriptive.
[11:34] <matthewrevell> So, shall I put together a brief and grounded "vision" email for the ML? It'll prolong the pain a little, but if you guys can debate it and we can agree on the ML, then we should see an end to the "this is how it's going to be" stuff
[11:34] <mdke> yes, please
[11:36] <matthewrevell> Okay, I'll do that at some point today, if at all possible.
[11:36] <matthewrevell> Good talking to you all, look forward to sorting all this out :)
[11:37] <mdke> me too, later
[11:37] <mindspin> yup me too
[12:59] <mdke> ok, I've started the stamping process
[01:01] <bimberi> good stuff
[01:02] <bimberi> although it was borderline rambling ;p
[01:02] <mdke> argh, mine was?
[01:02] <bimberi> no, just kidding
[01:03] <mdke> phew
[01:20] <mdke> bimberi: awesome
[01:21] <bimberi> mdke: thanks :)
[01:21] <mdke> I need to get a quotes database to put that in
[03:29] <matthewrevell> mdke: nice post. Bit of a busy day for me, but will try to make mine later.
[03:30] <mdke> matthewrevell: np, fine
[06:08] <nixternal> don't nudge, just punch him
[06:08] <ompaul> nixternal, you obviously don't know my nudges :)
[06:08] <nixternal> hehe
[06:09] <ompaul> nixternal, are you involved with OOo?
[06:09] <matthewrevell> ooof
[06:09] <ompaul> or have I got you mixed up
[06:09] <matthewrevell> ompaul: got your nudge
[06:09] <matthewrevell> hello :)
[06:09] <nixternal> no ompaul, but I know Joey Stanford is
[06:09] <matthewrevell> Unable to talk at the mo :(
[06:09] <nixternal> he goes by Rinchen when he is online
[06:10] <ompaul> matthewrevell, I was going to say ping me when you get home - I have a meeting here at about 6-7pm for some time
[06:10] <ompaul> it is dependant on the man in question getting out of his office and through the traffic to here (no mean feat)
[06:12] <ompaul> nixternal, ahh
[06:13] <matthewrevell> ompaul: cool
[06:13] <matthewrevell> will do if able
[06:13] <matthewrevell> busy evening ahead :(
[06:13] <ompaul> nixternal,  I cracked the pseudo code for a nasty bug they have
[06:13] <ompaul> nixternal, I'll document it and pass it back
[06:14] <ompaul> matthewrevell, we can go for tomorrow if you want
[06:14] <matthewrevell> ompaul: I'll catch you when I can. Wife will ill me if I don't get the lounge painted
[06:15] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install painter :)
[06:15] <nixternal> OOo has had some really nasty bugs recently i have heard with 2.0.3
[06:16] <ompaul> nixternal, this is one of those longer lasting things - it involves centering it - between the top and bottom of the page
[06:17] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:17] <ompaul> and to do it as a setting :) - however implementing it is not what I have - just an approach
[06:17] <nixternal> i have been using inkscape and scribus a lot lately, and have neglected OOo
[06:18] <nixternal> hehe..i try not to, but have a pretty full plate at the moment..and im always getting off track on something new and exciting
[06:39] <MagicFab> Ubuntu and Suse suggested at http://www.getgnulinux.org
[06:41] <Burgwork> whiprush, ping (really here this time)
[06:42] <whiprush> yo
[06:51] <whiprush> Burgwork: pong
[06:58] <Burgwork> whiprush, jrb is not answering his phone
[06:59] <Burgwork> can I give you a quick call and we can chat for a bit about what we need?
[06:59] <whiprush> he's not sending a box.
[06:59] <Burgwork> I want his posters, not a box
[06:59] <whiprush> yeah, give me 10, I've got a lunch party in my office at the moment.
[06:59] <whiprush> oh oh, good call
[07:00] <Burgwork> I can supply small posters, but he has a large banner, right?
[07:01] <whiprush> yeah
[07:01] <whiprush> and someone sent him the two nice ones
[07:01] <whiprush> the one that's the smiley with the "desktop for happy people"
[07:01] <whiprush> and the multilingual one
[07:01] <Burgwork> perfectc
[07:01] <Burgwork> what about a large banner with just GNOME on it?
[07:02] <whiprush> no idea
[07:03] <whiprush> http://www.bagu.org/officialdekthappy.svg
[07:03] <whiprush> http://www.bagu.org/poster-language.svg
[07:03] <whiprush> those are so awesome
[07:03] <MenZa> The last one is
[07:03] <MenZa> Well
[07:03] <MenZa> They both are.
[07:04] <Burgwork> yep
[07:04] <Burgwork> I was going to get those printed if needed as well
[07:15] <johnlittle> very slick posters
[07:17] <Burgwork> too bad the other stuff on that gnome brochure sucks
[07:17] <Burgwork> nixternal, would you be able to take over the UWN next week (this week I am good, next week I am enjoying the sea air in SF at Linuxworld)
[07:19] <nixternal> got it
[07:19] <Burgwork> nixternal, thanks. Wanted to line that up in advance
[07:20] <nixternal> no problems there, as I think I will have a little help from Riddell and others as well
[07:20] <nixternal> and now I am tracking all changes via mailing lists
[07:21] <Burgwork> I think I am goingt o try and farm off various pieces to piece, regular beats, like
[07:25] <johnlittle> Just an idea but if tasks like that were posted as open "positions" it might be easier to funnel new arrivals to the group into specific roles that result in product
[07:25] <Burgwork> yes, that is good thinking
[07:25] <Burgwork> I will put some thought into that tonight
[07:27] <nixternal> johnlittle: are you talking about the UWN?
[07:27] <johnlittle> nixternal: just marketing team projects in general
[07:28] <nixternal> ahh, ya
[07:28] <nixternal> i was gonna say, UWN is a whole other can of worms
[07:28] <nixternal> you need to be in the developer's pockets so-to-speak for that one
[07:28] <johnlittle> I try to stay out of developers pockets
[07:29] <nixternal> heh
[07:33] <johnlittle> If I have an idea for a new marketing team project whats the best way to float it out there given the current environment?
[07:34] <nixternal> i would probably hold off right now, as there seems to be a "restructuring" coming along. I would normally say present it to the list, however, that is my opinion ;)
[07:35] <nixternal> wait a day or two, and see what comes about the current emails that were just sent out
[07:35] <johnlittle> Thats what I was thinking
[07:35] <nixternal> ya, once that sorts itself out, and maybe some guidance is approved or accepted, then i would smack them with it ;)
[07:36] <johnlittle> I'd just go do it myself but there's just no more time
[07:50] <Burgwork> johnlittle, new ideas are always good, but I would recommend smaller ones and ones you, yourself, are willing todo
[07:50] <Burgwork> whiprush, you around now?
[07:51] <whiprush> yep.
[07:51] <Burgwork> whiprush, can I get your number?
[07:51] <whiprush> 248-370-2584
[07:53] <johnlittle> Burgwork: I think i'll focus on Ubuntu Video. I'll document my idea and save it for later. I don't know if my msg made it to the ML but I'm willing to offer a hand with processes and structure if you guys need it.
[07:55] <Burgwork> that is a perfect idea
[08:52] <Burgwork> whiprush, jrb is on vacation. chris blizzard knows nothing about it, but is going to look around for me
[08:52] <MenZa> jrb = Jenda?
[08:52] <MenZa> :p
[08:52] <MenZa> I need to get hold of jenda.
[08:53] <whiprush> Burgwork: bummer
[08:57] <_sara> Jenda is actaully on his last day of vacatio, he should be back tomorrow or the day after taht depneds on your time zone
[09:24] <Burgwork> whiprush, do you have any idea how much a large vinyl sign costs?
[09:27] <whiprush> nope
[09:28] <Burgwork> apparently the large vinyl GNOME banner got lost a while back
[09:42] <Burgwork> whiprush, I can get a 2x5 banner made by monday, black with the gnome logo in black. Should I go for it?
[09:42] <Burgwork> whiprush, cost would be ~150 CAD
[09:42] <_sara> CAD?
[09:42] <Burgwork> canadian dollars
[09:43] <Burgwork> _sara, sorry, whiprush and I are planning the gnome booth at lwe here
[10:14] <Burgwork> whiprush, do you have any catchy phrases for this banner?
[10:16] <whiprush> Burgwork: I like "the official desktop of happy people" myself
[10:17] <Burgwork> if I am going to be spending money on a banner and the foundation is going to reimburse me, it better be good
[10:17] <Burgwork> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chromatic/204385680/
[10:18] <Burgwork> I was thinking of doing that, maybe smaller
[10:18] <whiprush> Burgwork: hey that's the one we had in boston
[10:18] <Burgwork> so that is the banner stuck at jrb's place?
[10:19] <whiprush> I am not sure where it is
[10:19] <whiprush> I would assume so
[10:19] <Burgwork> right, that sucks
[10:19] <Burgwork> we could do that happy people desktop as a sign, it would cost more
[10:20] <whiprush> ah
[10:20] <Burgwork> live.gnome.org is also down right now, so I cannot access it
[10:20] <Burgwork> plus svg --> pdf is not easy
[10:28] <Burgwork> whiprush, ok, I have cleaned up the happy people sign to make it more clear. Can I email you an svg for thoughts?
[10:29] <whiprush> Burgwork: stuck with some work stuff at the moment, whatever you think works is nice. :)
[10:31] <Burgwork> whiprush, http://www.flickr.com/photos/chromatic/204385680/ <-- this big or smaller?
[10:31] <whiprush> Burgwork: what about something horizontal?
[10:32] <whiprush> like, a banner banner.
[10:32] <Burgwork> I have a stand, so that is not an issue
[10:32] <whiprush> to hang on the back wall thing
[10:32] <whiprush> ah
[10:33] <Burgwork> busy stuff like that should go at the front
[10:34] <matthewrevell> evening all
[10:34] <matthewrevell> sorry if I appear to have ignored anyone.
[10:34] <matthewrevell> Time out on the server i was using
[10:35] <whiprush> hi matthewrevell
[10:35] <matthewrevell> hey
[10:37] <whiprush> Burgwork: I wish we were right next to the ubuntu booth
[10:37] <whiprush> could have done one megabooth of sweetness
[10:39] <Burgwork> that we could
[10:39] <Burgwork> fedora might have bitched
[10:57] <Burgwork> whiprush, marketing list (gnome one)
[11:32] <whiprush> Burgwork: heh I think that looks great
[11:35] <Burgwork> whiprush, ok, sounds good
[11:37] <Burgwork> whiprush, what is the latest on the hotel?
[11:41] <whiprush> Burgwork: all set.
[11:41] <whiprush> The Mosser, one block from the convention center
[11:43] <Burgwork> whiprush, we are two to a room? I assume I am spliting the cost?
[11:43] <whiprush> no, you get the floor. Employer covers the cost. :)
[11:44] <Burgwork> prefect, even better
[11:44] <Burgwork> my bank account is kind of hammered right now
[11:44] <whiprush> yeah me too, had to pay for this trip and the gnome summit at the same time
[11:46] <Burgwork> the gnome summit is going to be interesting to pay for