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| LaserJock | well, I think I'm in worse shape than I though | 12:45 |
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| Kr4t05 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036 | 12:47 |
| Kr4t05 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036 <- Could someone help me out with this? | 12:49 |
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| bmonty | Kr4t05: that is a question for #ubuntu | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: howso ? | 12:56 |
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| LaserJock | my X is totally gone | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea what happened | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | it kind find vesa for pete's sake :-/ | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | that uninstalled on mine ( along with x ) | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | when i updated | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | *-desktop are all ok | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | X packages are there | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | whats your say , anything ? | 12:57 |
| crimsun | which driver were you using? | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | s/your X log | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | fglrx, ati, and vesa | 12:58 |
| crimsun | and you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed? | 12:58 |
| crimsun | (if you are able to use the ati driver) | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | X log says "module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)" | 12:58 |
| crimsun | cough, that's from xserver-xorg-driver-* | 12:58 |
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| imbrandon | yea | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | I've got: xserver-xorg-driver-ati 6.5.7.3-0ubuntu7 | 01:00 |
| crimsun | right, which is obsolete now. | 01:00 |
| crimsun | (thanks for following development! ;) | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | that's so 2 weeks ago | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't really care when it was | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 01:01 |
| crimsun | mister raging ubuntu-aholic MOTU indeed | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | X is Main dude ;-) | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | so? | 01:02 |
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| LaserJock | ok, so does that explain why vesa wouldn't work? | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking something bigger is wrong | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | depends what the error message is | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | if you get the same with vesa, then that's probably your issue | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | since the New World Order is using xserver-xorg-video-* now | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | well that makes upgrading fun :-) | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | the x server should depend on the right drivers now | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | blame rodarvus if it doesn't | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to have a talk with Mr. Rodrigo >:) | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | ok, brb I'm going to see if that did it | 01:06 |
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| ajmitch | this is why my irc client isn't on my edgy box :) | 01:07 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: any luck? | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: kinda, got vesa to work | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | I'll need to see if ati will work because I'd like to get 1400x900 | 01:19 |
| === ajmitch would like a screen that did that resolution | ||
| ajmitch | I might have to get a couple of 23" cinema displays | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | 3840x1200 would be nice | 01:20 |
| TheMuso | Wouldn't the text be way too small? | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | heh ajmitch did you see that dual xgl vid thing ? | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: no? | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: probably not | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: I already have 1 crt at 1600x1200 & another with 1280x1024 | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: heh lemme find a link, looks like a NICE setup | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: btw thanks for fixin me up on REVU | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | no problem | 01:23 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: how goes the SoC project? | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ahh found it, GNOME twinview XLG stuff, really nice setup imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSn-jBA3CE | 01:26 |
| imbrandon | even has the cube stuff working on a dual display | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: ok | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: not too hard to do - I have that | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: I have to go out in a couple of min sorry :) | 01:27 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: If you need a tester I'm interested in helping out...cya later | 01:27 |
| imbrandon | l8tr ajmitch | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | err later , heh | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm having an unexpected struggle getting out of OS X, it seems I've invested too much time into it ;) | 01:29 |
| tseng | oops | 01:30 |
| crimsun | I can't believe how anti-wifi I used to be | 01:30 |
| tseng | crimsun: I can't live without wifi | 01:31 |
| tseng | seriously | 01:31 |
| crimsun | neither can I now | 01:31 |
| tseng | its like birdman away from the sun | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: hahahah quote " ... presented by raging Ubuntu-aholic MOTU [WWW] JordanMantha (LaserJock) .... " | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | whom did that ? | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: yea wifi rocks | 01:33 |
| imbrandon | i used to hate it too when it was hard to setup and short ranged but as it gets better and easier i find it hard not to use | 01:34 |
| tseng | imbrandon: you have another mono dude in your area | 01:34 |
| tseng | imbrandon: he just found you on kansas lug | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | tseng: who ? | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | haha cool | 01:34 |
| tseng | snorp | 01:34 |
| tseng | james wilcox | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | hrm i've seen that name somewhere | 01:34 |
| tseng | planet gnome? | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | probably | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | kc lug or kansas lug ? | 01:35 |
| tseng | dunno | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | where you getting this ? heh | 01:35 |
| tseng | 17:42 <@snorp> he's posting messages to the kansas city lug, at least | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | what chan ? | 01:35 |
| tseng | our top secret chat on gimpnet | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | ahh lol cool | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | yea tell him to look me up sometime, yea i post to our lug list semi often | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | we have another gnome upstream dev in town too | 01:36 |
| tseng | whos that | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | i'm the token kde guy LOL | 01:37 |
| tseng | yeah | 01:37 |
| tseng | he noticed | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | jhutchins | 01:37 |
| tseng | never heard of him | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | infact i just ordered a few hundred {k}ubuntu cd's for our lug to use at ITEC in oct | 01:38 |
| imbrandon | wilcox , ahhh i have seen him on the lug list its self is why, that where from, ask him why he dosent come into the lug chan ( #kclug here of freenode )\ | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | i knew i did somewhere | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | *from | 01:39 |
| imbrandon | infact i was thinking of forming ( or help form ) a KC LoCo team as 80% or so of our lug runs some form of ubuntu and we always promote it at ourr meeting/shows/confrences etc | 01:40 |
| imbrandon | maybe someday hehe | 01:41 |
| tseng | maybe today! | 01:41 |
| imbrandon | ;P | 01:42 |
| bmonty | imbrandon: KC = Kansas City? | 01:42 |
| imbrandon | bmonty: yea | 01:43 |
| bmonty | cool, I'm in Omaha | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | ahh nice yea thats only like 45 min away | 01:44 |
| bmonty | more than that | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | my best friend from HS went to omaha for college | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | yea maybe a tad more ;) | 01:44 |
| bmonty | its more like 3 hours | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | not tooo far though | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | probably , i havent made that trip in 8 or 9 years heh | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | since he graduated | 01:45 |
| tseng | my job has a big data center in omaha | 01:45 |
| tseng | and some other offices i think | 01:45 |
| tseng | First Data | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | cool where are you tseng ? | 01:46 |
| bmonty | yeah, first data has a large office here | 01:46 |
| tseng | Wilmington, DE for work | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | cool | 01:46 |
| tseng | across the border i live in PA | 01:46 |
| bmonty | so doesn't paypal, ameritrade, and a few others | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | ameritrade has a big office in KC too afaik | 01:46 |
| bmonty | ameritrade uses a large portion of an old mall for their offices | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | or did at one point | 01:46 |
| imbrandon | i think they have a few floors on the sprint building here iirc | 01:47 |
| bmonty | anyone using ekiga on amd64? | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | not i | 01:50 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know who the moderator of -motu and -devel is? | 02:06 |
| imbrandon | the ML ? | 02:08 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah, I stupidly posted using the wrong email address | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | ubuntu-devel list run by mdz at ubuntu.com | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | Ubuntu-motu list run by dholbach at ubuntu.com | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | future ref its listed at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/<list-name> | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | ahh so jono got the job | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | oh, Mr. Smarty Pants over there :p | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | hehehe ;) | 02:12 |
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| LaserJock | well, I wonder if I should brave the wrath of -devel and send it from the right email address | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:13 |
| Fujitsu | Can somebody please perform some merges for me? | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | lol | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: ? | 02:14 |
| === LaserJock does his Ubuntu merging dance | ||
| imbrandon | hehehe | 02:14 |
| === Fujitsu points towards http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/merges. | ||
| imbrandon | brb mt dew refil time, i should just get one of those fast food resraunt soda fountains in my computer lab room | 02:14 |
| Fujitsu | Hahaha | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | ohhh mol, whats new with that /me looks | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: does that include the patch for 10.4 thats floating arroudn the net | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | you just wanting these uploaded ? are they on the MoM ? | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I don't think it includes it, no. | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | And yeah, I'd like them uploaded. They're mostly done my MoM. | 02:20 |
| Fujitsu | Brb. | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | ok i can do the mol one as i know that package well enough to build/check/upload it etc | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | brb | 02:21 |
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| jsgotangco | LaserJock: just a suggestion, i think you should send a follow up email on about the motu school or have it on a wiki page about what packages need to be installed in advance instead of saying durng the session to install foo and wait for people to finish | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: did that ;-) | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | coolies | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | it's on the "for those who want to read ahead" page | 02:23 |
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| LaserJock | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics | 02:23 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 02:26 |
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| Hobbsee | hi zul | 02:27 |
| zul | hey Hobbsee how goes it? | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | zul: it goes, late again :P | 02:27 |
| zul | fun fun | 02:28 |
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| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | zul: it goes, late again :P | 02:30 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 02:31 |
| zul | Hobbsee: deja vu | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | zul: wasnt sure if you got it, i seemed to timeout there | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 02:32 |
| zul | ah.. | 02:32 |
| Fujitsu | Back. | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: :) | 02:33 |
| === Fujitsu kicks Year 12 assembly. | ||
| zul | ick...assembly language blows chunks | 02:34 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yr 12 assembly? | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 02:37 |
| Fujitsu | Assembly of all the year 12s at school. | 02:37 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ahh...you're not a part of this group? | 02:47 |
| zul | im old all of the sudden | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: when we hit year 12, we were as bored as everyone else, and just wanting to escape the assembly too. the guard of honour was really cool though | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | zul: :p | 02:47 |
| imbrandon | heh zul me too | 02:48 |
| Fujitsu | I am a part of it. | 02:48 |
| Fujitsu | Hence the going away for 12 minutes. | 02:48 |
| === TheMuso remembers my year 12. We had our own common room :p | ||
| Hobbsee | ah right | 02:48 |
| zul | heh do you guys still pass notes in class? :) | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: they wouldnt let us have that :( | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | zul: yes, and during assemblies. | 02:48 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, as do we... But I never use it, I've got the back room of the library :) | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | zul: IM's man IM's heheh | 02:48 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Aww. My sympathies. | 02:48 |
| TheMuso | :) | 02:48 |
| zul | imbrandon: nah...smoke signals are cooler | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | zul: or txt messages ;) | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:49 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 02:49 |
| zul | imbrandon: when i was in school we just had pen and paper..i am so old school | 02:49 |
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| imbrandon | zul: lol me too, pagers were high tech then , no cell phones | 02:49 |
| === TheMuso doesn't know how he woud have got through school without technology. | ||
| imbrandon | let alone cell's with txt or IM | 02:50 |
| TheMuso | I guess I would have just had to use a brailler, like many others before me. | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, ouch. | 02:50 |
| TheMuso | And they can piss off classmates, very quickly, due to their noise levels. | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | I can imagine. | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso: i found a cool link today that reads off RSS feeds to ya, i thought of you right away hehe | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | heh | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | i'm sure you have something that works much better though | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | Indeed. | 02:51 |
| zul | imbrandon: heh...when i was in high school i was in a third world country that didnt have pager, cell phones, or any other fancy gadgets | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:51 |
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| zul | if i go back now they have all of the fancy gadgets | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | lol probably | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | i would hate to be in HS right now | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | i think i went through at the right time, the end of the dot com boom ;) | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | if i had went though a few years before though i might be sabdfl hehehe | 02:53 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Another lock-up? | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no, i'm switching to wired, as bigpond did my request to host the kubuntu edgy knot 1 cd, so i can download it unmetered :) | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | nice ( they should run a full ubuntu mirror ) | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:56 |
| TheMuso | Cool! | 02:56 |
| Fujitsu | Nice Hobbsee! | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: very :) | 02:56 |
| Fujitsu | Although being on Bigpond must be bad... | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah...they have got most of the dapper ones hosted | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: well, yeah | 02:56 |
| Fujitsu | But at least they don't meter traffic to their own servers, whereas Optus does. | 02:56 |
| === Hobbsee runs the download accelerator on the unmetered site :D | ||
| TheMuso | hehe | 02:56 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea but i mean a apt-mirror that syncs often | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | hope i can use the alternate cd - it lets you select partitions, doesnt it? | 02:57 |
| TheMuso | What kind of speed do you get from their file server? | 02:57 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Yes. | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | Current speed = 382.00Kb/s, Average D/L speed = 674.58Kb/s | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea actualy either one does but yea | 02:57 |
| TheMuso | Nice! | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: oh good. | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: good. it just doenst let you create, or something? | 02:57 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Which one are you downloading? | 02:57 |
| imbrandon | either way | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: kubuntu desktop | 02:58 |
| TheMuso | Well that is the live CD. | 02:58 |
| TheMuso | I think ubiquity allows for partitioning advanced setups, but not sure how good it is. | 02:58 |
| === TheMuso will never ever use ubiquity. Give me a text-mode installer that is known to be stable any day. | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: it's both live and install. for edgy (like they did for dapper) | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso: yea it does, i tested it the other day on my ppc lappy | 02:58 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: I know. | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | somebody in -devel needs ops | 02:59 |
| TheMuso | I jsut don't think GUI installers on top of live CDs is a good idea. | 02:59 |
| TheMuso | Personally. | 02:59 |
| zul | LaserJock: uh yeah.. | 02:59 |
| Fujitsu | Same guy as yesterday. | 02:59 |
| TheMuso | But I am also aware that that is not what most people want. | 03:00 |
| TheMuso | lol in -dev | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: I go back and forth. I like having a livecd around for fixing things and showing people stuff | 03:00 |
| Fujitsu | Yep. | 03:00 |
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| LaserJock | TheMuso: but if I want to do a straight install, I'd rather go with the alternate cd | 03:01 |
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| TheMuso | LaserJock: I'm the same. Live CDs are invaluable for that sort of thing. | 03:01 |
| Fujitsu | Somebody called the ops, did they? | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | does anybody have ops in -devel? | 03:02 |
| Fujitsu | I presume nalioth does, as he's Freenode staff... | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I didn't see him come in | 03:02 |
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| TheMuso | lol! | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | HAHAH. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | what'd i miss? | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | He got banned from -offtopic!? Impressive.. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | stupid telstra | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | That sam guy from NZ in -devel again. | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | As MarkShuttleworth. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so that's what that ban was for | 03:04 |
| TheMuso | How can one get banned from -offtopic? Breaking the coc is one reason I guess, but how else? | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | Yup. | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | He was there yesterday as well... | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, that' | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | *that's it. | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | ah, the usual guy | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | silly | 03:04 |
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| imbrandon | TheMuso: or constant trolling too | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | can get ya banned | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | ok bbiab | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 03:07 |
| zul | crunchy trolls even better | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: [20:07] <imbrandon> and #kubuntu also , but i must run, can someone else with ops in there keep an eye out please | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | ^^ for that mark imposter | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | Yummu. | 03:08 |
| === Fujitsu eats trolls. | ||
| TheMuso | Not again... | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: sigh. and for a paster. | 03:08 |
| TheMuso | Has he been in here at all? | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | probably, I can't recall | 03:10 |
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| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, considered fixing your dodgy connection? | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: dunno what's screwing up. but i am downloading an iso | 03:14 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 03:14 |
| zul | Hobbsee: can i just suggest dialup? :) | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | zul: haha! | 03:14 |
| Fujitsu | Hey, I'm on 28.8kbps for half of most months! | 03:14 |
| zul | Hobbsee: i had dialup for a year i didnt do much afer that | 03:15 |
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| Hobbsee | iso is done yay :) | 03:24 |
| TheMuso | You lucky thing to get them that fast. | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: heh, yeah. yay for download accelerators and unmetered sites. | 03:26 |
| === TheMuso can't wait for ADSL2. :) | ||
| Burgundavia | crimsun: for the record, august 11th will be before the published date of the next UWN | 03:26 |
| Fujitsu | Anybody feel like looking at my other three merges? | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i can download stuff here, no problem, if you want it burned and given to you at some point. | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: assuming it's an iso that's on the unmetered site :P | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Nah thats fine. I have access to quota free mirrors as well, which carry just about all ubuntu stuff. | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: ah nice :) | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | And I keep up to date with the latest CDs using rsync. | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | ye | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | p | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | So it doesn't take too much quota. | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | /c | 03:29 |
| Burgundavia | any interesting apps uploaded in the past 2 days? | 03:31 |
| zul | *cough* xen *cough* | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | interesting, he said | 03:32 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, hahah. | 03:32 |
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| zul | shut up you | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | friendly chap | 03:33 |
| zul | hehe.. | 03:33 |
| Burgundavia | zul: what interesting has happened/will happen this week in xen development | 03:33 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 03:33 |
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| zul | we will have amd64 versions | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | eventually :) | 03:34 |
| zul | once i upload it | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | package seems sorted now | 03:34 |
| Burgundavia | ok, very cool | 03:34 |
| Burgundavia | ping me when those go up | 03:34 |
| zul | leaving me to my own devices is dangerous :) | 03:34 |
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| zul | yeah...perv | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | hah | 03:35 |
| TheMuso | o oh | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | ubuntu+1 | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | we know | 03:37 |
| TheMuso | ok | 03:37 |
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| poningru | hi can I bother someone with some pbuilder help? | 03:54 |
| poningru | first time fixing some bugs | 03:54 |
| imbrandon_ | Fujitsu: ping , you MOL ftbs , here is my build.log if you wanna look at it http://pastebin.ca/122986 | 03:56 |
| imbrandon_ | s/you/your | 03:56 |
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| poningru | nm | 03:57 |
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| imbrandon_ | moins bddebian | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:58 |
| imbrandon_ | poningru: whats the problem ? | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 03:58 |
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| Hobbsee | oops. | 04:02 |
| === Hobbsee notes that batteries really do eventually run out of juice. | ||
| imbrandon_ | lol | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | heh | 04:07 |
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| poningru | so the question I had was how to edit the .diff.gz and put it back? | 04:28 |
| poningru | still looking | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Why do you want to edit the diff.gz instead of rebuilding the source package with the change? | 04:29 |
| poningru | oh... | 04:29 |
| poningru | nm | 04:29 |
| poningru | bddebian: its just a two line fix and would be much easier to do that way | 04:30 |
| === poningru is currently bugfixing | ||
| bddebian | Ah, nice | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | it's better (easier too, IMO) to rebuild the source package | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | because you also need a changelog entry | 04:31 |
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| poningru | well its a bug in the postinstall script | 04:32 |
| poningru | not in the prog itself | 04:32 |
| poningru | bug 55706 | 04:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55706 in python-uncertainities "python-uncertainities python2.3/2.4 breakage." [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55706 | 04:33 |
| bddebian | Is it using the new python policy? :-) | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | right, but you still need a changelog entry | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: did you get my email regarding the time of the MOTU School session? | 04:33 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: hi | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: nice time :) | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | 11am :) | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: not like you need to attend | 04:35 |
| === bddebian does | ||
| bddebian | Hi ajmitch | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: oh i dont know, it could be interesting. | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | What's it covering? | 04:35 |
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| micahcowan | LaserJock, oh, haven't checked. I'll do now. | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: how to be a package master | 04:36 |
| TheMuso | haha thats a session that I will actually be able to make this tim. | 04:36 |
| TheMuso | time | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | where LaserJock details his skills | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yikes, or lack thereof | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | I'm a little worried | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | why? | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | I've got like 3 presentations to do this week | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | 2 for ubucon and then the MOTU School one | 04:37 |
| micahcowan | LaserJock, oh, right. -7 because of daylight savings, right? | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: yeah | 04:37 |
| bddebian | ubucon? | 04:37 |
| micahcowan | thanks | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | ubucon ? | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: did you see my note about the FTBS ? | 04:37 |
| micahcowan | and that'd be Thursday night for me. | 04:37 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I did. | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: me too ;-) | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | ok, makin sure , i was switching clients so i dident have time to look at my logs | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon and bddebian Ubucon is a Ubuntu conference held at Google after Linux World Expo | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | http://www.linuxpip.org/ubuconwiki/ | 04:38 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, thanks. | 04:38 |
| bddebian | Oh, Nice | 04:38 |
| imbrandon | nice | 04:39 |
| === bddebian never gets to go to shit :'-( | ||
| imbrandon | that would be cool to goto | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | bddebian: me either hehe | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | well, I just happen to live not to far away | 04:39 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, it'd be nice to go... But I'm on the other side of the world and 15, so it's unlikely to happen :P | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: yea that was the one cool thing about being out there | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | and my wife's aunt live ~ 1 mile from Google Headquarters so .... | 04:39 |
| bddebian | 15 WTF?? | 04:39 |
| === bddebian feels even older now.. :'-( | ||
| === Hobbsee hands bddebian a walking stick. | ||
| imbrandon | hahaha | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: you guys have quite a few cool conferences in AU | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: we do? | 04:40 |
| === imbrandon even feels old with 15 yr olds deving | ||
| === bddebian goes all ninja with his new walking stick | ||
| Fujitsu | Yeah, I agree with Hobbsee/ | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: jpatrick's 14 :P | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: like LCA every year | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: where are you? | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: WHAT !!??!!!! | 04:40 |
| Fujitsu | LCA's about it. | 04:40 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, Mel8ourne :P | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ah. dodgy place that. | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: do you think you'll get to LCA next year? | 04:41 |
| === Fujitsu hits Hobbsee. | ||
| === Hobbsee doenst see why anyone would want to live in smellbourne :P | ||
| === ajmitch was thinking of moving to melbourne soon | ||
| === Hobbsee thumps Fujitsu. sure you want to do that? | ||
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, not going to happen, I don't think. Too darn expensive. | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | Yay! | 04:41 |
| === Fujitsu welcomes ajmitch. | ||
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: maybe you could apply for the regional delegates program | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | But '08, I might. KatteKrab asked if I wanted to help out. | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | that would be good | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: if I'm in melbourne I should call in & visit | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | I have friends in ringwood | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | well, western US gets pretty much nothing of interest so I'm glad to see Ubucon come up (organized by the guy that was organizing LWE) | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | I'm in Ringwood East/Heathmont. | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | yep | 04:42 |
| === Fujitsu hits Malone. | ||
| Hobbsee | violent Fujitsu :P | 04:43 |
| Fujitsu | I'm trying to submit an upstream bug tracker thing for #54124, but it wants a product name... What am I meant to put> | 04:44 |
| Fujitsu | *? | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | yeah, one of my talks at Ubucon is about Launchpad and how to use Ubuntu tools | 04:44 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Now that's funny coming from you! :-) | 04:44 |
| === Hobbsee grabs bddebian's walking stick, and pokes him with it repeatedly. | ||
| LaserJock | I hope I can come up with more than, "It's pretty cool, if it works and you know how to use it" | 04:44 |
| bddebian | Wow, LaserJock is becoming a real Ubuntu fanboi ;-P | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ah. use the search button, then go for the closest | 04:44 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: hehe | 04:44 |
| === imbrandon would like a formal motu class on revu and revu tools *hint LaserJock* | ||
| Fujitsu | I searched for gl-117, nothing. | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | launchpad used to allow remote bugs without the product being registered | 04:45 |
| === micahcowan seconds imbrandon's suggestion | ||
| === Fujitsu thirds it. | ||
| ajmitch | no doubt that feature was changed | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: hm? there's not that much to detail | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I want a MOTU class on how to hack REVU2 so it gets done ;-) | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hah, good luck | 04:47 |
| Fujitsu | Hahah. | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I still have some code for that somewhere :) | 04:47 |
| === Fujitsu hits REVU a bit. | ||
| imbrandon | LaserJock: hehe yea +1 | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | I'm being violent today :( | 04:48 |
| === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away | ||
| micahcowan | Do you have to be someone special to @ at Ubugtu? | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | micahcowan: what do you mean ? | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | @lart micahcowan | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | micahcowan: to add, or to get Ubugtu to say something? | 04:48 |
| ubuntu-es | Fujitsu: Error: "lart" is not a valid command. | 04:48 |
| Fujitsu | Not the effect I desired... | 04:49 |
| Fujitsu | So apparently yes. | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | Laser_away: feel free to work on revu2 | 04:49 |
| micahcowan | I was trying to play with the @lart command in #ubuntu-bots, but never got responses. | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: only in offtopic | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | micahcowan: -offtopic | 04:49 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 04:49 |
| micahcowan | gotcha. | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | only works in certain channels | 04:49 |
| imbrandon | so your not inclinded to play with it in *cough* dev channels | 04:50 |
| Laser_away | bddebian: btw, I'm a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU, what do you expect? | 04:50 |
| imbrandon | poke Seveas about maybe turning it on in -bots too though, he may if you ask nice | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you mean Laser_away has his own fan club | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | not quite as large as yours | 04:51 |
| === imbrandon isnt even a member of his own fanboi club | ||
| === ajmitch is happy to be another anonymous developer | ||
| ajmitch | who gets told how wrong he is on the forums ;) | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | lol i avoid the forums the last few months | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: hah. more likely that they're wrong. want to do an upload for me? | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | heh i shouldent i guess | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | well, it's on MoM, but it looks to be a new upstream versoin. which probably requires a buggered exception report. | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | then get that before you ask me | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: no, wait, no it isnt. dont mind me. | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | heh i FINALY found a reason for me to switch to vi{m} and learn to use it over nano | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: which was? | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: oh, you suddenly finding it was the default editor on your machine? | 04:56 |
| === Hobbsee looks around and whistles innocently | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: I have no fan club | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | hah | 04:56 |
| imbrandon | that i can vi a *.diff.gz and it will automagicly uncompress it etc , and nano reads it as a bin file ( rightly so ) | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | hahaha | 04:56 |
| Fujitsu | I think REVU rejected my last upload of convertall because it didn't have my new key... | 04:56 |
| micahcowan | Hobbsee, you did that? ;-) | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: probably | 04:57 |
| bddebian | Laser_away: Hey, I live here and I don't give classes and speak at "Ubucon" ;-P | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | micahcowan: sure | 04:57 |
| micahcowan | I was surprised... but from a "normal user" perspective it makes a lot of good sense. | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ahhh...nice. i quite like how it deals with changelogs too. | 04:57 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well I think Laser_away used to be a fan because I worked on his Science packages, but now that he has azeem, I have no one :'-( | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's simply because you continually say you're stupid & convince yourself that you can't :) | 04:57 |
| Hobbsee | micahcowan: i've got ssh access to imbrandon's machine. and sudo access. | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea that confuesed me at first but i'm getting used to it | 04:57 |
| Fujitsu | Quite a nice position, Hobbsee :) | 04:58 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, and jpatrick is 15, not 14. | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: ?? /me missed something | 04:58 |
| bddebian | OK, I have to get out of this bar and get to my hotel room, bbiab | 04:58 |
| micahcowan | Hobbsee, oh, I meant in general... | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: oh YOU changed my default editor , grr i was wondering LOL | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: did you ask a revu admin about it after you added a new key? | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | hmm does anyone remember that small screencast app that saves as a gif byzance something? | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: haha. yeah | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: that's why I only give sudo access to chroot & pbuilder | 04:59 |
| micahcowan | nice | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | I got the key synced 3 days ago, just after I uploaded the package.. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: who else would have? | 04:59 |
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| Fujitsu | (after I realised it had probably broken it) | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | i thought it was an edgy regression | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | then i just started using it | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: can you upload convertall again then? | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: silly, you know what hobbsee is like | 05:00 |
| micahcowan | imbrandon, decided against switching back, you mean? :-) | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: actually, i didnt think that that hapened over the entire system. | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | That's better now, thanks ajmitch. | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: depends how you changed it | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uSzjKV19.html thanks | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: it did, no biggie though, micahcowan yea | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: create it with debuild -S -sa | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: with sudo update-alternatives --config editor | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | you're missing an .orig.tar.gz for this upload | 05:01 |
| Fujitsu | I did, ajmitch. | 05:01 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: of course that's system-wide | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | convertall_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.tar.gz | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: yea thats system wide, you could have just put export EDITOR in ~/.bashrc | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | no orig | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, i did that on other machine | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | naughty hobbsee | 05:01 |
| === Fujitsu checks the package. | ||
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: but yea no biggie, but if you change sys wide setting anymore please atleaste lemme know LOL | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | at least switch him to gnome | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: sure :P | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: hah. | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: hahah i have both installed | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: actually, iirc, you werent around for a few days after i did it... | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | just KDE default | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: otherwise i would ahve | 05:02 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | heh yea i took a 2 or 3 day holiday from dev stuff | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes, but switching your session to gnome is another matter | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: true ;) | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | and refraing from using kde apps in gnome too LOL | 05:03 |
| === ajmitch is glad that he hasn't given Hobbsee access on this system | ||
| Fujitsu | I uploaded an old one. It's all a little confusing because I am on one computer, the package is on another (my laptop), and there's no FTP access outbound, so I have to copy the bits & pieces to an external server... I'll try again... | 05:03 |
| imbrandon | heh she only has access to one of mine ;) | 05:03 |
| Fujitsu | Silly Department of Education. | 05:03 |
| imbrandon | well two if you count the webhost | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: lag to NZ would be horrifying anyway. now are you going to upload my merge, or will i need to get another core-dev to do it? :) | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you haven't given any details yet, so there's nothing for me to upload | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uSzjKV19.html thanks. libglade2 | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | http://merges.ubuntu.com/libg/libglade2/REPORT | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: what other details did you want? | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | you're touching desktop team stuff now? | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: no, i'm stealing yet another one of dholbach's merges. | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: but effectively | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: mainly that dholbach has a whole lot of stuff to do, and was running out of time, so i decided to take some of them over. | 05:08 |
| bmonty | Hobbsee: there are many more merges on the universe list :) | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | 200+ last i looked bmonty | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:09 |
| bmonty | only 162 new | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: indeed. i was checking for bits on the main list that were marked as me. decided to keep ignoring that one, and saw dholbach's name on another, so decided to steal it. | 05:09 |
| imbrandon | yea i havent looked in 48hrs or so | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: hwo many more do you still have to go on there? | 05:10 |
| === ajmitch wonders about this one | ||
| Hobbsee | 162 new merges | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | 67 updated merges | 05:10 |
| bmonty | Hobbsee: only a couple that won't build on my machine | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | it's gone down. keybuk did a few billion syncs. | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: how so? | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: ah okay. those are always fun | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libglade2-0 := -V 'libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1)' | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | whether that should have been updated in debian | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...quite possibly | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | also have to check libglade2-dev depends | 05:12 |
| bmonty | Hobbsee: actually I have been working from the top of the list for about a week now | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | whether >= 2.3 is adequate now | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | for python | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | right.. | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | bmonty: yeah, that's what i figured people were doing. that's why i started at the bottom, after doing all of mine | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | well, almost all. | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | one's still screwy. | 05:13 |
| === ajmitch needs a new keyboard | ||
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| ajmitch | or try & clean this one properly | 05:14 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: get a logitech wireless | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: why? | 05:14 |
| bmonty | very nice | 05:14 |
| === Hobbsee goes off to work. | ||
| === ajmitch wonders why he should spend that much on a keyboard | ||
| ajmitch | since I'm not likely to take it far from my desk | 05:14 |
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| bmonty | I don't think they are overly expensive | 05:15 |
| bmonty | I guess if you compare it to the $5 ones in Walmart | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | I'd rather spend the money on a decent flat panel or two | 05:15 |
| bmonty | but I wouldn't want to use of those for very long | 05:15 |
| === ajmitch is wanting 2x23" apple cinema displays :) | ||
| bmonty | gotta set your priorities :) | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: +1 on that , i would love 1x23in cinema apple display | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:16 |
| === ajmitch is not so sure about this libglade2 merge | ||
| ajmitch | I'll check some things over with the desktop team before uploading | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure hobbsee will understand | 05:18 |
| bmonty | libglade2 isn't very important.... | 05:19 |
| === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock | ||
| ajmitch | not at all | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: it's just the incidental things, like shlibs, python dependencies, .la file, etc | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | nothing that would cause it to break stuff when installed | 05:21 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: so you want to tell me anything about what you have going on SSO? | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | hm, looks like it may be ok, compared to -0ubuntu1 | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | not nearly enough on the server side, done more client-side configuration | 05:24 |
| bmonty | I think the client side is the hardest....especially if you want to make things "just work" | 05:24 |
| bmonty | I'm having problems on a wirless client that sometimes looses its connection and then all kinds of bad things happen | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | true, but I'd prefer an overall set of tools that let you have client/server easily | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | oh, what happens? | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | it breaks doing nss lookups? | 05:25 |
| bmonty | yes | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 05:26 |
| bmonty | which does lots of bad things to gnome | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | one of the flaws | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | only way around that at the moment is nscd | 05:26 |
| bmonty | there are supposed to be two things that help with the problem | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | which has its own set of problems | 05:26 |
| bmonty | the nscd daemon and a caching module for PAM | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | ah right | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | but pam caching wouldn't be useful for nss | 05:26 |
| bmonty | neither of which I have working yet :( | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | since they're separate | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | nss being a libc feature | 05:27 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: yeah, the other thing is when it looses its connection and then I can't log on at all | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | suck | 05:27 |
| bmonty | which hopefully PAM caching will fix | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | using pam_krb5? | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | or similar | 05:27 |
| bmonty | yes | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | how would pam caching work with kerberos though? | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | it sounds fragile | 05:27 |
| bmonty | I do pam_mount -> pam_unix (sufficient) -> pam_krb5 (sufficient) | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | right | 05:28 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: it may let you log in, but if your TGT is expired you aren't going to be able to authenticate anywhere else | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:28 |
| bmonty | of course if the network is hosed, that might be the least of your problems :) | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | but if you're logged out, the ticket should have been destroyed | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | unless the cache decides to keep things around | 05:29 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: true | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | which sounds a bit sticky | 05:29 |
| bmonty | I don't know much about how it works yet...I just know it exists | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | it's not like windows handles things much better :) | 05:30 |
| bmonty | true | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | nscd is the usual solution for the network going away when you're logged in | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | for the few things it may have cached | 05:30 |
| bmonty | I haven't been able to get nscd working well | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | what isses have you have with it? | 05:30 |
| bmonty | caches time out too quickly | 05:30 |
| bmonty | it requires some thought to tune its timeouts | 05:31 |
| bmonty | the defaults are definately inadequate | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah - too long & things break | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | I haven't got a config module for nscd yet, I'll probably have to quickly add one | 05:32 |
| bmonty | are you just trying to get authentication/authorization working, or are you going to add some other features (like pam_mount)? | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | not adding pam_mount for now | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | though I've considered having a generic pam config tool | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | one that is just a frontend for the files, allowing you to reorder/add/delete modules | 05:34 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: that sounds like a complicated task | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | something any one can do with an editor | 05:34 |
| bmonty | ahh...that might not be so bad | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | what were you thinking? | 05:34 |
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| ajmitch | getting the order right automatically is hard | 05:34 |
| bmonty | a tool that required no knowledge of how PAM worked | 05:34 |
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| ajmitch | that requires knowledge of most of the PAM modules out there, and the context they can be used in | 05:35 |
| bmonty | but if you expect the user to know PAM, then you are just making life a little easier | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | for now, my tool just adds things like pam_krb5 in what could be an appropriate place | 05:35 |
| bmonty | A tool that could list all of the modules, their capabilties, and options in a nice GUI would be very useful | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | probably require reading the source of each module to find that out | 05:36 |
| bmonty | you could assume that the system is starting with a stock ubuntu setup and modify from there | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | I may do it though | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | I do assume that | 05:36 |
| bmonty | and offer to completely overwrite the configs if it isn't the default? | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | I'm glad that smb.conf can be managed by python's ConfigParser | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | no, I don't do that, though I should | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | "blow away your config? (yes|no|I feel lucky)" | 05:37 |
| bmonty | :) | 05:37 |
| bmonty | with a big flashing "WARNING YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO LOG ON" | 05:37 |
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| ajmitch | if they have a custom pam config that I can't handle, then they're not so likely to be using this tool :) | 05:38 |
| bmonty | I've done a lot of recovery mode boots in the past few weeks :) | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | vmware is great, really | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | if you have the RAM | 05:38 |
| bmonty | yeah I know, I need to start using it more | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | I'm so glad I planned for heavy RAM usage when I bought this box | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | it runs nicely without any swap | 05:39 |
| caleb- | Hey, an Ubuntu member said that backport can start before edgy release. But Dapper's backports has zero package. Anyone has idea? The member I mentioned is freeflying, an Ubuntu CJK leader. | 05:40 |
| bmonty | I meant to have 4GB in this box, but I messed up the order....when I priced out what I really needed for that much RAM it was more than my budget | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | you were going to get ECC registered RAM though, right? | 05:40 |
| bmonty | yes | 05:41 |
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| bmonty | so I've got 2GB....getting to 4 might be a future upgrade | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | seeing that new Mac Pro - could be nice to have dual-cpu, dual-core, 16GB RAM | 05:42 |
| nexu | buwhaha | 05:42 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: I gotta go to bed, but if you need help testing let me know | 05:43 |
| ajmitch | night | 05:43 |
| bmonty | I also have the python code for libkrb5 kinda working too | 05:44 |
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| bmonty | good night all | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | man I *just* got 1GB in my AMD 1800+ box not too long ago | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | great | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | cya bmonty | 05:44 |
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| ajmitch | bmonty: can you push your branch of that to launchpad? | 05:44 |
| bmonty_away | ajmitch: it is in launchpad | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: heh, I've got a dead 1800+ sitting here | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | bmonty_away: ah, I didn't see, product name? | 05:44 |
| bddebian | Gnight bmonty_away | 05:44 |
| bmonty_away | ajmitch: python-krb5 | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: that's my fast box :/ | 05:45 |
| bmonty_away | hey bddebian | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | last time I fetched from you, I used wget to mirror the .bzr dir from https ;) | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | Page not found | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | There?s no page with this address in Launchpad. | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | hm | 05:45 |
| bmonty_away | https://launchpad.net/people/bmontgom/+branch/+junk/python-krb5 | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | ah ok | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | thanks :) | 05:46 |
| bmonty_away | don't ask me what the +junk is there for | 05:46 |
| Fujitsu | bmonty_away, fbi isn't suitable for syncing. | 05:46 |
| Fujitsu | bmonty_away, there is a packaging error. | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | unattached to a product | 05:46 |
| Fujitsu | I've talked to the Debian maintainer, and he's uploading a new one to unstable on Sunday. | 05:46 |
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| bmonty_away | Fujitsu: ok, can you please put that on the bug | 05:47 |
| Fujitsu | I shall. | 05:47 |
| bmonty_away | yeah...night guys | 05:47 |
| Fujitsu | Bye! | 05:48 |
| bddebian | Damn, where's lfittl? | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Hmm, no one has touched wine yet? :-) | 06:16 |
| Amaranth | bddebian: does the one in the repos still segfault? | 06:16 |
| Amaranth | bddebian: I just add the winehq source repo and build on my own with patches and -fno-stack-protector | 06:17 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch: ping | 06:17 |
| ajmitch | yessir? | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | your a DD right ? | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | am I meant to admit to that? | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Amaranth: Dunno but we are a little behind in Edgy | 06:18 |
| imbrandon | heheh well i was gonna ask you about the RTP preocess , i have never delt with debian directly | 06:18 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: ITP? RFP? | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | got a min or two to explain it to me so i dont fumble it up on my first attempt | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | err yea , see i already did lol | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | reportbug in a debian chroot | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | easiest way to get a template for it | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | hm | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | ok i have NO clue about how it even works etc | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | who put in the libnss-ldap sync request? | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | its there a mini doc on it somewhere | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: whos name does it say ? | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: visit bugs.debian.org/libnss-ldap & tell me how many RC bugs you see there, please | 06:20 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe 5, whoops | 06:21 |
| ajmitch | you have tested the debian package on edgy, right? | 06:21 |
| bddebian | But of course... | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | that is, more that just biuld & check if it installs | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | ok ajmitch soo let me be a newb here for a minute, i make me a debian ( probbably sid ) chroot and file a big for a package that isnt even in debain ? ( i'm wanting to get a sponsor for apt-mirror but i'll have to change the config for it as the ubuntu one is ubuntu specific ) | 06:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you can send a mail if you want | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | s/big/bug | 06:23 |
| ajmitch | but I assumed that if you were creating a debian package, you'd be building and testing on debian | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | yea i will , err planned to but i just dont know the "debian way" | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | to get something in unstable | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, does Xubuntu have a community council? | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | only read a very little | 06:23 |
| Amaranth | file an ITP? | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | Amaranth: yea , thats what i was asking about | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: we have one community council for everything | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | pretty much as you said - people generally help on #debian-mentors & the mentors mailing list | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: not quite correct | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | there are also edubuntu & kubuntu councils | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | but not Xubuntu, right? | 06:24 |
| nexu | blah! | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: not that I know of | 06:24 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: oh yeah, i go to the edubuntu meetings :) | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: #debian-mentors may be on oftc now | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | there's also mentors.debian.net, sponsors.debian.net, or bug your local DD | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ok cool thanks alot , i'll pop in there and see too | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea your my local DD ;) | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | bwhahaha | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | there's more than just me here | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | true but i dont know whom else is , /me looks arround to see if someone perks up | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | noone else wants to admit to it | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: basically, and ITP is a bug filed against wnpp | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | NM guide has details on it, or the developer's reference | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: yea thats all and good but i know zero about wnpp or ITP , i came from suse to ubuntu and learned that way so i have very very very little working knolage about the debian way | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: me neither | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | take a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | kk | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | ITPs are under "Packages being worked on" | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | look at a few of them to see what they look like | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | but reportbug, I believe, has a template and everything for it | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | yea i'll probably use that as i'll have to install a debain chroot for sid and test it etc anyhow | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | debootstrap is your friend | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | ok so i should build my chroot and get all my package ducks in a row before i bug someone to mentor me ajmitch / LaserJock ? | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | you already know packaging, so it shouldn't take too long | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: yea i have had a sid chroot on here a few times i just keep cleaning it when i dont use it, shouldent do that i guess | 06:30 |
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| imbrandon | heh i removed it when i removed my breezy chroot and suse chroot | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | should have kept that one, atm i only have 2 edgy and 2 dapper ( 32/64 bit of each ) | 06:31 |
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| ajmitch | also sarge | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | sarge is stable right ? | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | or old stable | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | stable | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | woody is oldstable | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea thats the one, i tried installing that way way way back | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | leaste i think that was the one | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | it was arround 99ish | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | i got it on a magazine cd | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | back when i changed distros once a week | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | might have even been the version before woody, dunno it was long ago | 06:34 |
| bddebian | Potato | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | w00t , one more step to world domination complete .... | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | I: Base system installed successfully. | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:/media/extra/sid$ | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 06:52 |
| crimsun | wow, that totally sucked. Apparently choosing to keep one's system (Win XP) updated just blew away my MBR, so I had to boot from Shipit's Kubuntu live cds to restore GRUB. /me shakes his fist at Win XP. | 06:58 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: ouch | 06:58 |
| caleb- | crimsun: grub works fine in a bootable active partition. :-) | 06:59 |
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| crimsun | caleb-: oh it was far more insane. I had to use PXE to get to the frigging cdrom. | 07:02 |
| bddebian | nice | 07:06 |
| bddebian | Well I see that the popplerkit framework is well maintained.. | 07:26 |
| bddebian | Oh well, gnight folks | 07:26 |
| crimsun | 'night | 07:27 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | moins dholbach | 08:12 |
| dholbach | hey imbrandon | 08:13 |
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| Burgundavia | Laser_away: can you write me a short piece on your MOTU school? | 08:22 |
| Laser_away | dholbach: look at the top sticky at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=144 | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: after it happens, for the UWN | 08:22 |
| Laser_away | Burgundavia: like what? | 08:22 |
| Laser_away | Burgundavia: sure | 08:22 |
| carthik | What about before it happens for the fridge, and/or the events calendar? I am sure it could use some more visibility. | 08:23 |
| carthik | I don't know if the events calendar has to be only about meetings though. | 08:23 |
| dholbach | Laser_away: nice | 08:23 |
| Laser_away | yeah, I'm not really sure about the fridge calendar | 08:23 |
| Laser_away | dholbach: I'm thinking we should have a permanent MOTU School sticky on the edgy forum | 08:24 |
| carthik | I tried asking at #ubuntu-fridge regarding an article reproducing your email, Laser_away, but did not get a definitive response | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away: yea | 08:24 |
| dholbach | I personally don't look into the forums much, so I'm probably not the best about handling of the forums. :( | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | carthik: i'll take care of the cal thing | 08:25 |
| carthik | imbrandon, great :) | 08:25 |
| Laser_away | dholbach: me neither, but I feel bad if we don't invite them at least ;-) | 08:25 |
| Laser_away | imbrandon: thanks | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | carthik: as far as a story just stick one in the cue and get one of us to ACK it ( us == other fidge devel's , we do it on a peer review thing ) | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away: might poke hobbsee about the forums too she frequents them alot | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | ( as far as keeping an eye on the post )_ | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | I'm on the forums all the time. | 08:27 |
| Amaranth | In the edgy section, anyway. | 08:28 |
| Laser_away | Amaranth: I know, I keep running across your posts | 08:28 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | hehe or Amaranth ;) | 08:28 |
| Laser_away | ok, I'm going away again | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:29 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ping ( again ) hehe | 08:29 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 08:30 |
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| carthik | imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Motu-school-packaging if you wish to ACK it | 08:36 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away: its in #ubuntu-motu-school right ? | 08:38 |
| crimsun | (editing) | 08:39 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away: added to the 11th http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event ( might check for accuracy ) | 08:43 |
| crimsun | (done) | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | cool crimsun thanks | 08:45 |
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| imbrandon | crimsun: mind proofing that one last time ( i have it live now ) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ | 09:01 |
| crimsun | looks fine | 09:04 |
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| Gloubiboulga | Morning | 09:19 |
| carthik | Good morning, Gloubiboulga | 09:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello carthik | 09:23 |
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| TheMuso | Evening Hobbsee. | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 09:54 |
| TheMuso | How be life? | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: we had the auditors thru work, so that was kinda interesting | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | then again, my painful boss is away at the moment, which is good :) | 09:57 |
| TheMuso | heh | 09:57 |
| lucas | rah, I like it when we package new software in ubuntu, and then debian packages it too, but differently | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | lucas: Dude that's half the fun. :/ | 10:01 |
| Yagisan | evening all | 10:07 |
| TheMuso | Hey Yagisan. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | hi Yagisan | 10:09 |
| Yagisan | so how are we all today ? | 10:09 |
| === Yagisan is happy. He was banning jerks today. | ||
| micahcowan | sounds... therapeutic. | 10:10 |
| Yagisan | it is | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, did you get my email re nforce2 audio not working ? | 10:12 |
| micahcowan | Huh.... I have nforce2... | 10:12 |
| micahcowan | ac97 | 10:13 |
| Yagisan | micahcowan, I found a user that gets no sound at all with their nforce2 | 10:13 |
| Yagisan | micahcowan, modules loaded etc, just no sound | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | Yagisan: Banning jerks? | 10:14 |
| Amaranth | Yagisan: The dialip.xtra.co.nz guy was just a huge newb if that's who you're talking about. sabdfl and lilo have both talked to him. | 10:15 |
| Yagisan | yes indeed Amaranth. the kind that come in swear, fight with new users, and otherwise cause trouble | 10:15 |
| Yagisan | Amaranth, nope - different channel | 10:15 |
| Amaranth | ah | 10:15 |
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| [cro] smiley | morning people | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | hi [cro] smiley | 10:20 |
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| [cro] smiley | can some of the motu review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2865 please | 10:33 |
| lucas | [cro] smiley: trailing '.' in the short description | 10:38 |
| lucas | and how does it compare to gtimer, gnotime, and karm ? | 10:40 |
| [cro] smiley | lucas, i remove '.' in short description? | 10:45 |
| lucas | yes | 10:45 |
| [cro] smiley | ok | 10:45 |
| lucas | and what about my second question ? also, you could include this info (how it compares to others) in the description | 10:48 |
| [cro] smiley | lucas, to be honest i don't know how it compares, never used those :) | 10:49 |
| lucas | others might think differently, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of adding a package to ubnutu which does exactly the same thing (or less) than another package already in the archive | 10:51 |
| azeem | there are some obvious exceptions to his, like editors, web browsers and irc clients, to which people are emotionally attached to | 10:52 |
| azeem | but in general, I think duplicating packages for the sake of packaging isn't so great | 10:53 |
| lucas | I'm not saying we need only one editor | 10:55 |
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| azeem | lucas: sure :) | 10:56 |
| lucas | but we wouldn't need two gtk-based editors with vi syntax, for example | 10:57 |
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| micahcowan | 'course, even there, you could have a "vim" versus "elvis" type thing going on... | 11:01 |
| lucas | yeah, but it's easy to justify the presence of both, since one of them has a lot of features, and the other one is aimed at being very light | 11:04 |
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| Toadstool | 'morning | 11:05 |
| Fujitsu | Morning Toadstool. | 11:07 |
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| [cro] smiley | lucas, i just tryed gtimer, gnotime and kam. Only gnotime is a bit similar but just with the basic idea. The point at TimeSaver is not to count elapsed time, but to countdown defined task duration. | 12:50 |
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| imbrandon_ | ajmitch: ping , still awake / alive ? | 12:50 |
| [cro] smiley | tsaver also has report view but in xml that can be viewed in web browser | 12:51 |
| [cro] smiley | lucas, i my opinion my app is much simpler and easyer to use then apps you mentioned above | 12:52 |
| [cro] smiley | still it's up to you to decide if you need it or not... | 12:53 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon_: what now? | 01:00 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: That's a little melodramatic, isn't it? | 01:01 |
| imbrandon_ | heh i have my package uploaded to mentors.debian.net as gonna see if you wanted to sponsor me or if i should just email the mentor list | 01:01 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 01:01 |
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| imbrandon_ | lol StevenK | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon_: did you hear that StevenK is a DD? :) | 01:01 |
| === StevenK curses ajmitch | ||
| imbrandon_ | yup yup i see that | 01:02 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: you know you want to | 01:02 |
| === StevenK wonders if he became a DD before ajmitch. | ||
| ajmitch | StevenK: of course you did | 01:02 |
| StevenK | Nah, he did. | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon_: I'd email the list | 01:02 |
| StevenK | imbrandon_: Depends how large this upload is. | 01:02 |
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| imbrandon_ | StevenK / ajmitch could either or you look at it , very small stevenk , few hundred k | 01:03 |
| imbrandon_ | http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=apt-mirror | 01:03 |
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| StevenK | Wah. | 01:03 |
| imbrandon_ | StevenK: its only a few hundred k, its basicly the same package i got into universe | 01:03 |
| StevenK | db.d.o doesn't list record creation time. | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | nm.d.o lists me | 01:04 |
| StevenK | nm.d.o lists me too. | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | Account Created 2005-02-03 | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | see, I'm new | 01:04 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe | 01:04 |
| StevenK | Then you upload it, you need the experience. | 01:05 |
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| imbrandon_ | lol | 01:05 |
| StevenK | Account Created 2001-07-17 | 01:05 |
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| imbrandon_ | soooo StevenK you gonna hook a bro up or should i fire up my email client hehe | 01:07 |
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| phanatic | afternoon | 01:12 |
| imbrandon_ | 'ello phanatic | 01:12 |
| phanatic | hi imbrandon_ | 01:12 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee: congrats | 01:49 |
| TheMuso | and ajmitch | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: :) | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | nothing to congratulate me about | 01:50 |
| TheMuso | Yeah there is. | 01:50 |
| TheMuso | Recognition from core devs that you are capable and responsible enough to look after that team. | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | nah, Hobbsee is set as team owner | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | not me | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: you're still the admin | 01:50 |
| StevenK | What's the team name? | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 01:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:53 |
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| TheMuso | I might actually join you lot once I have had MOTU rights for six mnths. | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:53 |
| TheMuso | months | 01:53 |
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| === ajmitch tries this f-spot build | ||
| ajmitch | it'll be interesting to see if this works | 01:54 |
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| TheMuso | heh | 02:01 |
| === TheMuso hasn't seen -devel go this off-topic before. | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: oh it does :P | 02:02 |
| tseng | come back at night | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: did you never see it right after release? | 02:02 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I have. | 02:02 |
| TheMuso | But it wasn't as crazy as this | 02:02 |
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| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, hello | 02:17 |
| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: Hey | 02:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, could you upload espeak on REVU, it's easier to review a new upstream release there | 02:18 |
| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: Sure. | 02:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | (I'm testing the gnome-orca build) | 02:18 |
| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: espeak should be up there. | 02:20 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, ok, thanks | 02:20 |
| TheMuso | np | 02:20 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, why a star (just curious)? | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: because stars are pretty, i'ts yellow, and i like yellow, and...yeah...pretty much :) | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: oh, and the good uploads get a star on them, whereas the bad ones get rejected :P | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you should have used the heart from REVU | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: could have done that. one problem: i dont have a heart. | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | because it's on REVU still? | 02:22 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: How should we take that? :p | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: in the worst way possible, of course | 02:23 |
| TheMuso | Oh thats right, you like using your whip | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: hehe | 02:23 |
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| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: Thanks. | 02:58 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, my pleasure :) | 02:59 |
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| Fujitsu | Goodnight everybody. | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | night Fujitsu | 03:11 |
| Fujitsu | I'll be back tomorrow to pester you all with more merges :P | 03:12 |
| === TheMuso actually feels like he is starting to get things right. | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: yay :) | 03:13 |
| === TheMuso has been hiding behind merges, while he plucks up the courage to start the ball rolling in implementation, as well as discussion, to do with the radicle accessibility specs he got approved from Paris. | ||
| TheMuso | :p | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: yay :) | 03:17 |
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| ajmitch | TheMuso: how radical? | 03:19 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Well the speakup inclusion and spoken boot specs for a start. | 03:19 |
| TheMuso | And theres a few legistical issues that need sorting out from those specs. | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | brave | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | how would this be enabled? | 03:19 |
| TheMuso | Which one? | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | spoken boot | 03:20 |
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| TheMuso | The speakup inclusion spec is the easy one. Speakup is in the kernel, I have just got to finish writing the userspace glue. | 03:20 |
| kagou | hi | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | I can't imagine that spoken boot would be on by default | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | hello kagou | 03:20 |
| TheMuso | Basically putting a small speech synth into initramfs with soundcard drivers to start speaking asap. It won't be on by default, but the legistics of getting everything in there. | 03:20 |
| TheMuso | Keybuk suggested it in Paris, and Jeff thought it would aso be possible. | 03:21 |
| TheMuso | I wasn't thinking of stuff nearly as radicle. | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | how would someone that needed it turn it on? | 03:22 |
| TheMuso | A command that is run at sudo to set things up. | 03:22 |
| TheMuso | Eventually, we hope to put together one big control panel for everything accessibility related. | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | so there wouldn't be a boot option on the live cd, for example? | 03:23 |
| ajmitch | this would only be for an installed system, at least to start with? | 03:23 |
| TheMuso | Not for spoken boot, no. | 03:23 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 03:23 |
| TheMuso | It will hopefully piggyback of keybuk's boot message logging stuff that is also in another spec. | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | sounds good | 03:24 |
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| TheMuso | We'll see. | 03:25 |
| TheMuso | At least the idea of edgy is to push the boundaries somewhat. | 03:25 |
| TheMuso | And play with stuff that might not be entirely stable. | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | which is a good thing | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | Perfect accessibility testing platform. | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | As some of this stuff is still a little raw. | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | and very needed | 03:26 |
| TheMuso | Very true. | 03:26 |
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| TheMuso | Night folks. | 03:47 |
| Yagisan | night TheMuso | 03:47 |
| nexu | what is "launchpad-integration" for ? | 03:54 |
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| trappist | I have a bug here that can be fixed easily if 'route -n' will show the right default gateway on a machine whose routing tables were put together by iproute2. anybody know if this is the case? | 05:34 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 08:00 |
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| LaserJock | hiya bddebian | 08:27 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 08:27 |
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| bit_doidao | hello there! | 08:35 |
| bit_doidao | i want to recompile php5. how can i do that? | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: apt-get source <sourcepackage> | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | that will grab the source package | 08:35 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, i runned sudo apt-get build-dep php5 | 08:35 |
| bit_doidao | first i runned the apt-source | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | k | 08:36 |
| bit_doidao | but it gave me children proccess error | 08:36 |
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| crimsun | Yagisan: yes, but I've been horridly busy. I'll get to it this evening (~4 hrs) | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: you ran apt-get source php5 ?? | 08:36 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, just did without error | 08:37 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, np. take your time (and why am I up at 4:30am ?) | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: no wonder you see spots | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: ok so if you go into the source directory and find debian/rules | 08:38 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock, sadly ther predate my first use of a computer by about 4 years | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:38 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, where is the source? | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | in the directory you ran apt-get source in | 08:38 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, untar the php source but dont have debian/rules there | 08:42 |
| bddebian | bit_doidao: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 08:44 |
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| LaserJock | bit_doidao: you don't need to untar it | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: the dir should be there | 08:45 |
| bddebian | Oh, he did apt-get source.. Duh.. | 08:45 |
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| bit_doidao | ok, i have three files here. | 08:46 |
| bit_doidao | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 102328 2006-07-19 10:10 php5_5.1.2-1ubuntu3.1.diff.gz-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1768 2006-07-19 10:10 php5_5.1.2-1ubuntu3.1.dsc | 08:47 |
| bit_doidao | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8064193 2006-01-18 05:15 php5_5.1.2.orig.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | and a directory? | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | ack, don't do it as root | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | rm those files | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | and run "apt-get source php5", no sudo | 08:47 |
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| bit_doidao | owk, im going from beginning | 08:48 |
| bit_doidao | owk, i have everything in /home/duda/php5 | 08:49 |
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| bit_doidao | what now? its my first compilation | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what do you want to do? | 08:52 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, use the same php5, but with additional features | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | ok | 08:52 |
| bit_doidao | in fact, i need imap supoprt and the function imap_rfc822_parse_adrlist | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | look at debian/rules in the source directory | 08:53 |
| bit_doidao | cool | 08:55 |
| bit_doidao | ok, now i have to insert the compile parameter that i want, and than just compile? | 08:57 |
| bddebian | dpkg-buildpackage or debuild | 08:57 |
| bddebian | With some switches | 08:57 |
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| bit_doidao | bddebian, i runned ./configure | 09:08 |
| bit_doidao | and now make | 09:08 |
| bit_doidao | its working.. | 09:09 |
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| LaserJock | bit_doidao: that's probably not the way you want to do it | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: generally you would run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (after you install fakeroot) | 09:30 |
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| bit_doidao | LaserJock, whats the diference from the two methods? | 09:33 |
| bit_doidao | it worked here | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | well, if you just do a ./configure, make, make install you are not using the Debian/Ubuntu source | 09:34 |
| phanatic | bit_doidao: with dpkg-buildpackage you create (build) a package | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | dpkg-buildpackage actually uses the info in debian/ to build the package | 09:35 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, i can redo this now? | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | did you do make install? | 09:35 |
| bit_doidao | ops, undo | 09:35 |
| bit_doidao | LaserJock, yeah | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | bit_doidao: hmm, it probably went to /usr/local/ | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | just rm the source directory | 09:36 |
| trappist | I have a bug here that can be fixed easily if 'route -n' will show the right default gateway on a machine whose routing tables were put together by iproute2. anybody know if this is the case? | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | and then run "dpkg-source -x *.dsc " to unpack the source package agian | 09:37 |
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| Sp4rKy | hey motus | 09:48 |
| Sp4rKy | i've always rpath issues with audacious | 09:49 |
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| LaserJock | darn it! | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | a piece of glassware just disintigrated in my hands :( | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | I guess it just proves I should give up on chemistry ;-) | 10:36 |
| crimsun | no, it implies you should get increased funding so that lackeys can do the work involving glasswork. | 10:36 |
| crimsun | glassware, even | 10:37 |
| bddebian | heh | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | well, this was more highlevel stuff | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | not just cleaning ;-) | 10:37 |
| crimsun | like I said, increased funding to get lackeys. | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | and us Physical Chemists can't afford to hire undergrad lackeys | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | we spend it on lasers | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 10:37 |
| crimsun | you need to work for Uncle, then. | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | I just made up a solution and was holding the flask in the sonicator | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | and the top just broke into pieces | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | very odd | 10:38 |
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| mc44 | LaserJock: I hope you might know this - is there anything like ChemDraw or Chem3D that is packaged for Ubuntu? | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | mc44: 2D or 3D or both? | 10:51 |
| mc44 | both if possible | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | for 2D there are quite a few | 10:52 |
| mc44 | any recommendations for the best? | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | xdrawchem and chemtool are ok | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | bkchem is supposed to be really good but we don't have it in Ubuntu yet :( | 10:53 |
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| LaserJock | for 3D, I like ghemical | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | it's a molecular modeling app that is really nice | 10:53 |
| mc44 | Oh sweet, I'll try them out, thanks alot! | 10:54 |
| crimsun | (where is bkchem?) | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | mc44: also check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuScientists | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: hm? | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | http://bkchem.zirael.org/ | 10:55 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: revu? NEW queue? not in debian? what's the holdup? | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | not in anything | 10:55 |
| crimsun | I hear bddebian is bored... | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | oh wait, there is an ITP (400+ days) in Debian | 10:55 |
| bddebian | Nice | 10:55 |
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| crimsun | dude, you "lost" my pony. | 10:56 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: Thanks for the link! lots of interesting stuff. Mmmmm mpqc! | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | it's python, very nice looking. I hadn't heard of it until a couple days ago and undergrad in my lab mentioned it was better for him than anything we have | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | mc44: yeah, ghemical can use mpqc | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | as well as mopac7 | 10:56 |
| mc44 | awesome, shall go play some... | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | anyway, bkchem is on my todo list, I'd like to do it for Debian | 10:57 |
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| LaserJock | probably in the debichem project | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | we are starting to get a nice gathering of chemistry software | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | I also started a team of devs to make a periodic table app for gnome | 10:58 |
| mc44 | to steal the stuff from kalzium? | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:59 |
| mc44 | excellent | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | a big problem for Edubuntu is that kalzium is an excellent educational app | 10:59 |
| bddebian | bkchem doesn't look too hard | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | and so kdelibs have to be included in the .iso | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | which takes up a lot of space | 11:00 |
| sbalneav | Be on later tonight. Bye all | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | but gperiodic is not really a serious alternative | 11:00 |
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| mc44 | yeah I played with gperiodic, it wasnt great | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah, so we are taking kalziums data (very comprehensive) | 11:01 |
| mc44 | kalzium isnt listed on that Ubuntu Science page - is that because it is kubuntu only? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | and using pygtk and cairo to do a gnome app | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | mc44: it's probably because it's considered more of an educational app or somebody forgot to add it :-) | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | mc44: so if you feel like adding it go for it | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | mc44: do you know how to use bzr? | 11:03 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: Its not educational, its required for all those times I forget which thing named after ytterby is which | 11:04 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: no havent used bzr | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | mc44: install bzr real quick :-) | 11:04 |
| mc44 | its not like I can code either :) | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | mc44: well, it is a part of KDE Edutainment so.. | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | mc44: neither can I ;-) | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | I'm a chemist remember :-) | 11:05 |
| mc44 | I meant its not just educational... | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | of course | 11:06 |
| mc44 | Heh Im more of a not a chemist anymore really | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | mc44: tell me when you have it installed | 11:07 |
| mc44 | just apt-get bzr? | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | apt-get install bzr | 11:08 |
| mc44 | but I like it when apt tells me it cant bzr :) | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | for some reason I do that all the time | 11:08 |
| mc44 | there we go | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | I think it's because of the -get part | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | in my mind i'm saying "Apt, go get bzr" | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, now run bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw/ | 11:09 |
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| mc44 | LaserJock: its finsihed. with 19 revisions apparently | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | mc44: then go in to gallium--tw and run python table.py | 11:13 |
| mc44 | ooooh shiny :) | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | mc44: that's what a smart person can do in ~2 days | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | they guy who wrote the alacarte menu editor did most of that | 11:15 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: very cool. Also i'm a big fan of pink for transition metals | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | lol, maybe we should have ponies for the elements that don't have pics | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | crimsun would like that ;-) | 11:16 |
| mc44 | And here is Mendelevium, represented by a pony thats *not yours* | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | mc44: anyway, that's the kind of thing Ubuntu is about. We were in an Edubuntu meeting talking about how we would like to not have to ship both Gnome and KDE libs | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | and a major sticking point to dropping the KDE libs is kalzium | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | so we decided to do something about it :-) | 11:17 |
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| mc44 | :) | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I'd better get back to some real chemistry | 11:18 |
| mc44 | by that you mean, breaking glassware? :) | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | mc44: well, hopefully not | 11:19 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: thanks for the help! I will play with gallium until it breaks then report some bugs :) | 11:20 |
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| nemish | hello just curious where can I find bugs currently found in Edgy? | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | nemish: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 11:47 |
| nemish | is that for Edgy or all releases? | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | well, it's bugs | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | but we need to know of they are for edgy or not | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | because they need to be closed if they were fixed :-) | 11:48 |
| nemish | hmm okay.. just trying to figure out if bugs I'm finding are found or not.. have never done this before with a "Testing" branch | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | just look for the bug | 11:49 |
| nemish | ok | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | if you don't find it, file it | 11:49 |
| nemish | hehehe.. okay | 11:49 |
| LaserJock | nemish: and #ubuntu-bugs is the place to ask :-) | 11:50 |
| nemish | okay.. what is #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-devel used for? and this channel as well? | 11:51 |
| nemish | just so I know | 11:51 |
| crimsun | edgy and development discussion, respectively. | 11:52 |
| nemish | crimsun, which this channel or those others? | 11:52 |
| mc44 | ubuntu+1 is for the support you get in ubuntu, but for the developmental release (in this case edgy) | 11:52 |
| mc44 | in #ubuntu i mean | 11:53 |
| crimsun | nemish: the topic outlines what this channel is used for :) | 11:53 |
| nemish | crimsun, I understand that part but just trying to find out which of these groups would be best to discuss findings in Edgy before/after I file a bug | 11:54 |
| nemish | :) | 11:54 |
| crimsun | #ubuntu-bugs | 11:54 |
| bddebian | Dinner time, later gang | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | #ubuntu-bugs is for bug related activity | 11:55 |
| nemish | ok figured ubuntu+1 was for edgy discussion.. but okay thanks | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu+1 is for edgy support | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-devel is for development discussion | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | and ubuntu-motu is for Universe development in particular | 11:55 |
| dholbach | night guys | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | cya daniel | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | nemish: does that make sense? | 11:56 |
| nemish | Sorry to be a pain but for example.. sound not working in Edgy where would I discuss this before opening a ticket that might already be filed? bugs, edgy support(#ubuntu+1) ... just don't want to cause unecessary aggrevation | 11:56 |
| nemish | for the most part i can understand that but just don't want to ask about Edgy stuff in wrong channel | 11:57 |
| crimsun | ask me in -+1. | 11:57 |
| nemish | people tend to get pissed that way | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | #ubuntu is about the only place you can't talk about edgy | 11:58 |
| tseng | people dont really get pissed | 11:58 |
| tseng | but you have to understand | 11:58 |
| tseng | if you let people ask anything you will be overwhelmed | 11:58 |
| tseng | its esp annoying when the topic clearly states so | 11:58 |
| tseng | and no one bothers to read | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it's really hard to just have random questions, and then people get mad when they aren't answered within 2 minutes :-) | 11:59 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: are those pics in gallium all the ones from kalzium? | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | mc44: sure | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | mc44: all the data is from kalzium | 11:59 |
| mc44 | LaserJock: I might pull together a better collection from wikipedia, at least for the missing ones | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | mc44: that would be a nice contribution :-) | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | nemish: don't worry too much about it. Just remember to read the topic when you join a channel, usually there is a statement of what is on-topic for that channel | 12:01 |
| redguy | howdy LaserJock | 12:02 |
| redguy | LaserJock: is the packaging basics MOTU school lecture sheduled for tonight? | 12:04 |
| crimsun | tomorrow night. | 12:04 |
| micahcowan | or friday morning, depending on where you're located. :-) | 12:05 |
| crimsun | unless you're in au/nz | 12:05 |
| crimsun | in which case, yes, "tonight" | 12:05 |
| redguy | heh, it's tomorrow night then | 12:05 |
| redguy | any chance of rescheduling it to 04:00 UTC? | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | redguy: doubtfull as it has been announced already for a few days | 12:06 |
| imbrandon | redguy: but there will be logs | 12:06 |
| redguy | as one of the requests on the wiki says, it would allow more people to participate | 12:06 |
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