[12:45] <LaserJock> well, I think I'm in worse shape than I though
[12:47] <Kr4t05> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036
[12:49] <Kr4t05> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20036 <- Could someone help me out with this?
[12:50] <bmonty> Kr4t05: that is a question for #ubuntu
[12:56] <imbrandon> LaserJock: howso ?
[12:56] <LaserJock> my X is totally gone
[12:56] <imbrandon> ouch
[12:56] <LaserJock> I have no idea what happened
[12:56] <imbrandon> make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed
[12:56] <LaserJock> it kind find vesa for pete's sake :-/
[12:57] <imbrandon> that uninstalled on mine ( along with x )
[12:57] <imbrandon> when i updated
[12:57] <LaserJock> *-desktop are all ok
[12:57] <imbrandon> hrm
[12:57] <LaserJock> X packages are there
[12:57] <imbrandon> whats your say , anything ?
[12:58] <crimsun> which driver were you using?
[12:58] <imbrandon> s/your X log
[12:58] <LaserJock> fglrx, ati, and vesa
[12:58] <crimsun> and you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
[12:58] <crimsun> (if you are able to use the ati driver)
[12:58] <LaserJock> X log says "module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)"
[12:58] <crimsun> cough, that's from xserver-xorg-driver-*
[12:59] <imbrandon> yea
[01:00] <LaserJock> I've got: xserver-xorg-driver-ati                6.5.7.3-0ubuntu7
[01:00] <crimsun> right, which is obsolete now.
[01:00] <crimsun> (thanks for following development! ;)
[01:01] <ajmitch> that's so 2 weeks ago
[01:01] <imbrandon> heh
[01:01] <LaserJock> well, I don't really care when it was
[01:01] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:01] <crimsun> mister raging ubuntu-aholic MOTU indeed
[01:01] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:01] <LaserJock> X is Main dude ;-)
[01:02] <ajmitch> so?
[01:02] <LaserJock> ok, so does that explain why vesa wouldn't work?
[01:02] <LaserJock> I'm thinking something bigger is wrong
[01:03] <ajmitch> depends what the error message is
[01:03] <ajmitch> if you get the same with vesa, then that's probably your issue
[01:04] <ajmitch> since the New World Order is using xserver-xorg-video-* now
[01:04] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:04] <LaserJock> well that makes upgrading fun :-)
[01:05] <ajmitch> the x server should depend on the right drivers now
[01:05] <ajmitch> blame rodarvus if it doesn't
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'll have to have a talk with Mr. Rodrigo >:)
[01:06] <LaserJock> ok, brb I'm going to see if that did it
[01:07] <ajmitch> this is why my irc client isn't on my edgy box :)
[01:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: any luck?
[01:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: kinda, got vesa to work
[01:19] <LaserJock> I'll need to see if ati will work because I'd like to get 1400x900
[01:20] <ajmitch> I might have to get a couple of 23" cinema displays
[01:20] <ajmitch> 3840x1200 would be nice
[01:21] <TheMuso> Wouldn't the text be way too small?
[01:21] <imbrandon> heh ajmitch did you see that dual xgl vid thing ?
[01:21] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no?
[01:21] <ajmitch> TheMuso: probably not
[01:22] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I already have 1 crt at 1600x1200 & another with 1280x1024
[01:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh lemme find a link, looks like a NICE setup
[01:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch: btw thanks for fixin me up on REVU
[01:23] <ajmitch> no problem
[01:26] <bmonty> ajmitch: how goes the SoC project?
[01:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh found it, GNOME twinview XLG stuff, really nice setup imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUSn-jBA3CE
[01:26] <imbrandon> even has the cube stuff working on a dual display
[01:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: ok
[01:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: not too hard to do - I have that
[01:27] <ajmitch> bmonty: I have to go out in a couple of min sorry :)
[01:27] <bmonty> ajmitch: If you need a tester I'm interested in helping out...cya later
[01:28] <imbrandon> l8tr ajmitch
[01:28] <imbrandon> err later , heh
[01:29] <LaserJock> I'm having an unexpected struggle getting out of OS X, it seems I've invested too much time into it ;)
[01:30] <tseng> oops
[01:30] <crimsun> I can't believe how anti-wifi I used to be
[01:31] <tseng> crimsun: I can't live without wifi
[01:31] <tseng> seriously
[01:31] <crimsun> neither can I now
[01:31] <tseng> its like birdman away from the sun
[01:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hahahah quote " ... presented by raging Ubuntu-aholic MOTU [WWW]  JordanMantha (LaserJock) .... "
[01:33] <imbrandon> whom did that ?
[01:33] <imbrandon> crimsun: yea wifi rocks
[01:34] <imbrandon> i used to hate it too when it was hard to setup and short ranged but as it gets better and easier i find it hard not to use
[01:34] <tseng> imbrandon: you have another mono dude in your area
[01:34] <tseng> imbrandon: he just found you on kansas lug
[01:34] <imbrandon> tseng: who ?
[01:34] <imbrandon> haha cool
[01:34] <tseng> snorp
[01:34] <tseng> james wilcox
[01:34] <imbrandon> hrm i've seen that name somewhere
[01:35] <tseng> planet gnome?
[01:35] <imbrandon> probably
[01:35] <imbrandon> heh
[01:35] <imbrandon> kc lug or kansas lug ?
[01:35] <tseng> dunno
[01:35] <imbrandon> where you getting this ? heh
[01:35] <tseng> 17:42 <@snorp> he's posting messages to the kansas city lug, at least
[01:35] <imbrandon> what chan ?
[01:36] <tseng> our top secret chat on gimpnet
[01:36] <imbrandon> ahh lol cool
[01:36] <imbrandon> yea tell him to look me up sometime, yea i post to our lug list semi often
[01:36] <imbrandon> we have another gnome upstream dev in town too
[01:36] <tseng> whos that
[01:37] <imbrandon> i'm the token kde guy LOL
[01:37] <tseng> yeah
[01:37] <tseng> he noticed
[01:37] <imbrandon> jhutchins
[01:37] <tseng> never heard of him
[01:38] <imbrandon> infact i just ordered a few hundred {k}ubuntu cd's for our lug to use at ITEC in oct
[01:39] <imbrandon> wilcox , ahhh i have seen him on the lug list its self is why, that where from, ask him why he dosent come into the lug chan ( #kclug here of freenode )\
[01:39] <imbrandon> i knew i did somewhere
[01:39] <imbrandon> *from
[01:40] <imbrandon> infact i was thinking of forming ( or help form ) a KC LoCo team as 80% or so of our lug runs some form of ubuntu and we always promote it at ourr meeting/shows/confrences etc
[01:41] <imbrandon> maybe someday hehe
[01:41] <tseng> maybe today!
[01:42] <imbrandon> ;P
[01:42] <bmonty> imbrandon: KC = Kansas City?
[01:43] <imbrandon> bmonty: yea
[01:43] <bmonty> cool, I'm in Omaha
[01:44] <imbrandon> ahh nice yea thats only like 45 min away
[01:44] <bmonty> more than that
[01:44] <imbrandon> my best friend from HS went to omaha for college
[01:44] <imbrandon> yea maybe a tad more ;)
[01:44] <bmonty> its more like 3 hours
[01:44] <imbrandon> not tooo far though
[01:45] <imbrandon> probably , i havent made that trip in 8 or 9 years heh
[01:45] <imbrandon> since he graduated
[01:45] <tseng> my job has a big data center in omaha
[01:45] <tseng> and some other offices i think
[01:45] <tseng> First Data
[01:46] <imbrandon> cool where are you tseng ?
[01:46] <bmonty> yeah, first data has a large office here
[01:46] <tseng> Wilmington, DE for work
[01:46] <imbrandon> cool
[01:46] <tseng> across the border i live in PA
[01:46] <bmonty> so doesn't paypal, ameritrade, and a few others
[01:46] <imbrandon> ameritrade has a big office in KC too afaik
[01:46] <bmonty> ameritrade uses a large portion of an old mall for their offices
[01:46] <imbrandon> or did at one point
[01:47] <imbrandon> i think they have a few floors on the sprint building here iirc
[01:48] <bmonty> anyone using ekiga on amd64?
[01:50] <imbrandon> not i
[02:06] <LaserJock> anybody know who the moderator of -motu and -devel is?
[02:08] <imbrandon> the ML ?
[02:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I stupidly posted using the wrong email address
[02:10] <imbrandon> ubuntu-devel list run by mdz at ubuntu.com
[02:11] <imbrandon> Ubuntu-motu list run by dholbach at ubuntu.com
[02:11] <imbrandon> future ref its listed at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/<list-name>
[02:11] <jsgotangco> ahh so jono got the job
[02:12] <LaserJock> oh, Mr. Smarty Pants over there :p
[02:12] <imbrandon> hehehe ;)
[02:12] <LaserJock> well, I wonder if I  should brave the wrath of -devel and send it from the right email address
[02:13] <imbrandon> heh
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please perform some merges for me?
[02:13] <LaserJock> lol
[02:14] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: ?
[02:14] <imbrandon> hehehe
[02:14] <imbrandon> brb mt dew refil time, i should just get one of those fast food resraunt soda fountains in my computer lab room
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Hahaha
[02:15] <imbrandon> ohhh mol, whats new with that /me looks
[02:17] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: does that include the patch for 10.4 thats floating arroudn the net
[02:17] <imbrandon> you just wanting these uploaded ? are they on the MoM ?
[02:20] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I don't think it includes it, no.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> And yeah, I'd like them uploaded. They're mostly done my MoM.
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Brb.
[02:20] <imbrandon> ok i can do the mol one as i know that package well enough to build/check/upload it etc
[02:21] <imbrandon> brb
[02:22] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: just a suggestion, i think you should send a follow up email on about the motu school or have it on a wiki page about what packages need to be installed in advance instead of saying durng the session to install foo and wait for people to finish
[02:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: did that ;-)
[02:23] <jsgotangco> coolies
[02:23] <LaserJock> it's on the "for those who want to read ahead" page
[02:23] <LaserJock> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics
[02:26] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[02:27] <zul> hey Hobbsee how goes it?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> zul: it goes, late again :P
[02:28] <zul> fun fun
[02:29] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[02:30] <Hobbsee> zul: it goes, late again :P
[02:31] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[02:31] <zul> Hobbsee: deja vu
[02:31] <Hobbsee> zul: wasnt sure if you got it, i seemed to timeout there
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[02:32] <zul> ah..
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Back.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: :)
[02:34] <zul> ick...assembly language blows chunks
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yr 12 assembly?
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Assembly of all the year 12s at school.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahh...you're not a part of this group?
[02:47] <zul> im old all of the sudden
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: when we hit year 12, we were as bored as everyone else, and just wanting to escape the assembly too.  the guard of honour was really cool though
[02:47] <Hobbsee> zul: :p
[02:48] <imbrandon> heh zul me too
[02:48] <Fujitsu> I am a part of it.
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Hence the going away for 12 minutes.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:48] <zul> heh do you guys still pass notes in class? :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: they wouldnt let us have that :(
[02:48] <Hobbsee> zul: yes, and during assemblies.
[02:48] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, as do we... But I never use it, I've got the back room of the library :)
[02:48] <imbrandon> zul: IM's man IM's heheh
[02:48] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Aww. My sympathies.
[02:48] <TheMuso> :)
[02:49] <zul> imbrandon: nah...smoke signals are cooler
[02:49] <imbrandon> zul: or txt messages ;)
[02:49] <imbrandon> heh
[02:49] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[02:49] <zul> imbrandon: when i was in school we just had pen and paper..i am so old school
[02:49] <imbrandon> zul: lol me too, pagers were high tech then , no cell phones
[02:50] <imbrandon> let alone cell's with txt or IM
[02:50] <TheMuso> I guess I would have just had to use a brailler, like many others before me.
[02:50] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, ouch.
[02:50] <TheMuso> And they can piss off classmates, very quickly, due to their noise levels.
[02:50] <Fujitsu> I can imagine.
[02:51] <imbrandon> TheMuso: i found a cool link today that reads off RSS feeds to ya, i thought of you right away hehe
[02:51] <TheMuso> heh
[02:51] <imbrandon> i'm sure you have something that works much better though
[02:51] <TheMuso> Indeed.
[02:51] <zul> imbrandon: heh...when i was in high school i was in a third world country that didnt have pager, cell phones, or any other fancy gadgets
[02:51] <imbrandon> heh
[02:52] <zul> if i go back now they have all of the fancy gadgets
[02:52] <imbrandon> lol probably
[02:52] <imbrandon> i would hate to be in HS right now
[02:53] <imbrandon> i think i went through at the right time, the end of the dot com boom ;)
[02:53] <imbrandon> if i had went though a few years before though i might be sabdfl hehehe
[02:54] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Another lock-up?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no, i'm switching to wired, as bigpond did my request to host the kubuntu edgy knot 1 cd, so i can download it unmetered :)
[02:56] <imbrandon> nice ( they should run a full ubuntu mirror )
[02:56] <imbrandon> heh
[02:56] <TheMuso> Cool!
[02:56] <Fujitsu> Nice Hobbsee!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: very :)
[02:56] <Fujitsu> Although being on Bigpond must be bad...
[02:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah...they have got most of the dapper ones hosted
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: well, yeah
[02:56] <Fujitsu> But at least they don't meter traffic to their own servers, whereas Optus does.
[02:56] <TheMuso> hehe
[02:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea but i mean a apt-mirror that syncs often
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hope i can use the alternate cd - it lets you select partitions, doesnt it?
[02:57] <TheMuso> What kind of speed do you get from their file server?
[02:57] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yes.
[02:57] <Hobbsee>  Current speed = 382.00Kb/s, Average D/L speed = 674.58Kb/s
[02:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea actualy either one does but yea
[02:57] <TheMuso> Nice!
[02:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: oh good.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good.  it just doenst let you create, or something?
[02:57] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Which one are you downloading?
[02:57] <imbrandon> either way
[02:58] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: kubuntu desktop
[02:58] <TheMuso> Well that is the live CD.
[02:58] <TheMuso> I think ubiquity allows for partitioning advanced setups, but not sure how good it is.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it's both live and install.  for edgy (like they did for dapper)
[02:58] <imbrandon> TheMuso: yea it does, i tested it the other day on my ppc lappy
[02:58] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I know.
[02:59] <LaserJock> somebody in -devel needs ops
[02:59] <TheMuso> I jsut don't think GUI installers on top of live CDs is a good idea.
[02:59] <TheMuso> Personally.
[02:59] <zul> LaserJock: uh yeah..
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Same guy as yesterday.
[03:00] <TheMuso> But I am also aware that that is not what most people want.
[03:00] <TheMuso> lol in -dev
[03:00] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I go back and forth. I like having a livecd around for fixing things and showing people stuff
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[03:01] <LaserJock> TheMuso: but if I want to do a straight install, I'd rather go with the alternate cd
[03:01] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I'm the same. Live CDs are invaluable for that sort of thing.
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Somebody called the ops, did they?
[03:02] <LaserJock> does anybody have ops in -devel?
[03:02] <Fujitsu> I presume nalioth does, as he's Freenode staff...
[03:02] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[03:02] <LaserJock> I didn't see him come in
[03:03] <TheMuso> lol!
[03:03] <Fujitsu> HAHAH.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> He got banned from -offtopic!? Impressive..
[03:03] <Hobbsee> stupid telstra
[03:03] <Fujitsu> That sam guy from NZ in -devel again.
[03:03] <Fujitsu> As MarkShuttleworth.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> oh, so that's what that ban was for
[03:04] <TheMuso> How can one get banned from -offtopic? Breaking the coc is one reason I guess, but how else?
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[03:04] <Fujitsu> He was there yesterday as well...
[03:04] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, that'
[03:04] <Fujitsu> *that's it.
[03:04] <ajmitch> ah, the usual guy
[03:04] <ajmitch> silly
[03:06] <imbrandon> TheMuso: or constant trolling too
[03:06] <imbrandon> can get ya banned
[03:06] <imbrandon> ok bbiab
[03:07] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:08] <zul> crunchy trolls even better
[03:08] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: [20:07]  <imbrandon> and #kubuntu also , but i must run, can someone else with ops in there keep an eye out please
[03:08] <imbrandon> ^^ for that mark imposter
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Yummu.
[03:08] <TheMuso> Not again...
[03:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sigh.  and for a paster.
[03:09] <TheMuso> Has he been in here at all?
[03:10] <ajmitch> probably, I can't recall
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, considered fixing your dodgy connection?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dunno what's screwing up.  but i am downloading an iso
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:14] <zul> Hobbsee: can i just suggest dialup? :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> zul: haha!
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Hey, I'm on 28.8kbps for half of most months!
[03:15] <zul> Hobbsee: i had dialup for a year i didnt do much afer that
[03:24] <Hobbsee> iso is done yay :)
[03:25] <TheMuso> You lucky thing to get them that fast.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heh, yeah.  yay for download accelerators and unmetered sites.
[03:26] <Burgundavia> crimsun: for the record, august 11th will be before the published date of the next UWN
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Anybody feel like looking at my other three merges?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i can download stuff here, no problem, if you want it burned and given to you at some point.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: assuming it's an iso that's on the unmetered site :P
[03:27] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Nah thats fine. I have access to quota free mirrors as well, which carry just about all ubuntu stuff.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ah nice :)
[03:27] <TheMuso> And I keep up to date with the latest CDs using rsync.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ye
[03:27] <Hobbsee> p
[03:27] <TheMuso> So it doesn't take too much quota.
[03:29] <TheMuso> /c
[03:31] <Burgundavia> any interesting apps uploaded in the past 2 days?
[03:32] <zul> *cough* xen *cough*
[03:32] <ajmitch> interesting, he said
[03:32] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, hahah.
[03:32] <zul> shut up you
[03:33] <ajmitch> friendly chap
[03:33] <zul> hehe..
[03:33] <Burgundavia> zul: what interesting has happened/will happen this week in xen development
[03:33] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:33] <zul> we will have amd64 versions
[03:34] <ajmitch> eventually :)
[03:34] <zul> once i upload it
[03:34] <ajmitch> package seems sorted now
[03:34] <Burgundavia> ok, very cool
[03:34] <Burgundavia> ping me when those go up
[03:34] <zul> leaving me to my own devices is dangerous :)
[03:35] <zul> yeah...perv
[03:35] <ajmitch> hah
[03:37] <TheMuso> o oh
[03:37] <TheMuso> ubuntu+1
[03:37] <ajmitch> we know
[03:37] <TheMuso> ok
[03:54] <poningru> hi can I bother someone with some pbuilder help?
[03:54] <poningru> first time fixing some bugs
[03:56] <imbrandon_> Fujitsu: ping , you MOL ftbs , here is my build.log if you wanna look at it http://pastebin.ca/122986
[03:56] <imbrandon_> s/you/your
[03:57] <poningru> nm
[03:58] <imbrandon_> moins bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:58] <imbrandon_> poningru: whats the problem ?
[03:58] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oops.
[04:03] <imbrandon_> lol
[04:05] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:07] <TheMuso> heh
[04:28] <poningru> so the question I had was how to edit the .diff.gz and put it back?
[04:28] <poningru> still looking
[04:29] <bddebian> Why do you want to edit the diff.gz instead of rebuilding the source package with the change?
[04:29] <poningru> oh...
[04:29] <poningru> nm
[04:30] <poningru> bddebian: its just a two line fix and would be much easier to do that way
[04:30] <bddebian> Ah, nice
[04:31] <LaserJock> it's better (easier too, IMO) to rebuild the source package
[04:31] <LaserJock> because you also need a changelog entry
[04:32] <poningru> well its a bug in the postinstall script
[04:32] <poningru> not in the prog itself
[04:33] <poningru> bug 55706
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55706 in python-uncertainities "python-uncertainities python2.3/2.4 breakage." [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55706
[04:33] <bddebian> Is it using the new python policy? :-)
[04:33] <LaserJock> right, but you still need a changelog entry
[04:33] <LaserJock> micahcowan: did you get my email regarding the time of the MOTU School session?
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: hi
[04:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: nice time :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> 11am :)
[04:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not like you need to attend
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: oh i dont know, it could be interesting.
[04:35] <Fujitsu> What's it covering?
[04:35] <micahcowan> LaserJock, oh, haven't checked. I'll do now.
[04:36] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: how to be a package master
[04:36] <TheMuso> haha thats a session that I will actually be able to make this tim.
[04:36] <TheMuso> time
[04:36] <ajmitch> where LaserJock details his skills
[04:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yikes, or lack thereof
[04:36] <LaserJock> I'm a little worried
[04:36] <ajmitch> why?
[04:36] <LaserJock> I've got like 3 presentations to do this week
[04:37] <LaserJock> 2 for ubucon and then the MOTU School one
[04:37] <micahcowan> LaserJock, oh, right. -7 because of daylight savings, right?
[04:37] <LaserJock> micahcowan: yeah
[04:37] <bddebian> ubucon?
[04:37] <micahcowan> thanks
[04:37] <imbrandon> ubucon ?
[04:37] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: did you see my note about the FTBS ?
[04:37] <micahcowan> and that'd be Thursday night for me.
[04:38] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I did.
[04:38] <LaserJock> micahcowan: me too ;-)
[04:38] <imbrandon> ok, makin sure , i was switching clients so i dident have time to look at my logs
[04:38] <LaserJock> imbrandon and bddebian Ubucon is a Ubuntu conference held at Google after Linux World Expo
[04:38] <LaserJock> http://www.linuxpip.org/ubuconwiki/
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Ah, thanks.
[04:38] <bddebian> Oh, Nice
[04:39] <imbrandon> nice
[04:39] <imbrandon> that would be cool to goto
[04:39] <imbrandon> bddebian: me either hehe
[04:39] <LaserJock> well, I just happen to live not to far away
[04:39] <Fujitsu> Yeah, it'd be nice to go... But I'm on the other side of the world and 15, so it's unlikely to happen :P
[04:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea that was the one cool thing about being out there
[04:39] <LaserJock> and my wife's aunt live ~ 1 mile from Google Headquarters so ....
[04:39] <bddebian> 15 WTF??
[04:40] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you guys have quite a few cool conferences in AU
[04:40] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: we do?
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I agree with Hobbsee/
[04:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: jpatrick's 14 :P
[04:40] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: like LCA every year
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where are you?
[04:40] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: WHAT !!??!!!!
[04:40] <Fujitsu> LCA's about it.
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, Mel8ourne :P
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah.  dodgy place that.
[04:41] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: do you think you'll get to LCA next year?
[04:41] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, not going to happen, I don't think. Too darn expensive.
[04:41] <Fujitsu> Yay!
[04:41] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: maybe you could apply for the regional delegates program
[04:41] <Fujitsu> But '08, I might. KatteKrab asked if I wanted to help out.
[04:42] <ajmitch> that would be good
[04:42] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: if I'm in melbourne I should call in & visit
[04:42] <ajmitch> I have friends in ringwood
[04:42] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:42] <LaserJock> well, western US gets pretty much nothing of interest so I'm glad to see Ubucon come up (organized by the guy that was organizing LWE)
[04:42] <Fujitsu> I'm in Ringwood East/Heathmont.
[04:42] <ajmitch> yep
[04:43] <Hobbsee> violent Fujitsu :P
[04:44] <Fujitsu> I'm trying to submit an upstream bug tracker thing for #54124, but it wants a product name... What am I meant to put>
[04:44] <Fujitsu> *?
[04:44] <LaserJock> yeah, one of my talks at Ubucon is about Launchpad and how to use Ubuntu tools
[04:44] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Now that's funny coming from you! :-)
[04:44] <LaserJock> I hope I can come up with more than, "It's pretty cool, if it works and you know how to use it"
[04:44] <bddebian> Wow, LaserJock is becoming a real Ubuntu fanboi ;-P
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah.  use the search button, then go for the closest
[04:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: hehe
[04:45] <Fujitsu> I searched for gl-117, nothing.
[04:45] <ajmitch> launchpad used to allow remote bugs without the product being registered
[04:45] <ajmitch> no doubt that feature was changed
[04:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hm? there's not that much to detail
[04:47] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I want a MOTU class on how to hack REVU2 so it gets done ;-)
[04:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah, good luck
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[04:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I still have some code for that somewhere :)
[04:48] <imbrandon> LaserJock: hehe yea +1
[04:48] <Fujitsu> I'm being violent today :(
[04:48] <micahcowan> Do you have to be someone special to @ at Ubugtu?
[04:48] <imbrandon> micahcowan: what do you mean ?
[04:48] <Fujitsu> @lart micahcowan
[04:48] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: to add, or to get Ubugtu to say something?
[04:48] <ubuntu-es> Fujitsu: Error: "lart" is not a valid command.
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Not the effect I desired...
[04:49] <Fujitsu> So apparently yes.
[04:49] <ajmitch> Laser_away: feel free to work on revu2
[04:49] <micahcowan> I was trying to play with the @lart command in #ubuntu-bots, but never got responses.
[04:49] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: only in offtopic
[04:49] <imbrandon> micahcowan: -offtopic
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:49] <micahcowan> gotcha.
[04:49] <imbrandon> only works in certain channels
[04:50] <imbrandon> so your not inclinded to play with it in *cough* dev channels
[04:50] <Laser_away> bddebian: btw, I'm a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU, what do you expect?
[04:50] <imbrandon> poke Seveas about maybe turning it on in -bots too though, he may if you ask nice
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: you mean Laser_away has his own fan club
[04:51] <ajmitch> not quite as large as yours
[04:52] <ajmitch> who gets told how wrong he is on the forums ;)
[04:52] <imbrandon> lol i avoid the forums the last few months
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.  more likely that they're wrong.  want to do an upload for me?
[04:52] <imbrandon> heh i shouldent i guess
[04:53] <Hobbsee> well, it's on MoM, but it looks to be a new upstream versoin.  which probably requires a buggered exception report.
[04:53] <ajmitch> then get that before you ask me
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, wait, no it isnt.  dont mind me.
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh i FINALY found a reason for me to switch to vi{m} and learn to use it over nano
[04:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: which was?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh, you suddenly finding it was the default editor on your machine?
[04:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: I have no fan club
[04:56] <ajmitch> hah
[04:56] <imbrandon> that i can vi a *.diff.gz and it will automagicly uncompress it etc , and nano reads it as a bin file ( rightly so )
[04:56] <ajmitch> hahaha
[04:56] <Fujitsu> I think REVU rejected my last upload of convertall because it didn't have my new key...
[04:56] <micahcowan> Hobbsee, you did that? ;-)
[04:57] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: probably
[04:57] <bddebian> Laser_away: Hey, I live here and I don't give classes and speak at "Ubucon" ;-P
[04:57] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: sure
[04:57] <micahcowan> I was surprised... but from a "normal user" perspective it makes a lot of good sense.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh...nice.  i quite like how it deals with changelogs too.
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I think Laser_away used to be a fan because I worked on his Science packages, but now that he has azeem, I have no one :'-(
[04:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's simply because you continually say you're stupid & convince yourself that you can't :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: i've got ssh access to imbrandon's machine.  and sudo access.
[04:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea that confuesed me at first but i'm getting used to it
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Quite a nice position, Hobbsee :)
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Oh, and jpatrick is 15, not 14.
[04:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ?? /me missed something
[04:58] <bddebian> OK, I have to get out of this bar and get to my hotel room, bbiab
[04:58] <micahcowan> Hobbsee, oh, I meant in general...
[04:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: oh YOU changed my default editor , grr i was wondering LOL
[04:58] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: did you ask a revu admin about it after you added a new key?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> hmm does anyone remember that small screencast app that saves as a gif byzance something?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha.  yeah
[04:59] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's why I only give sudo access to chroot & pbuilder
[04:59] <micahcowan> nice
[04:59] <Fujitsu> I got the key synced 3 days ago, just after I uploaded the package..
[04:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: who else would have?
[04:59] <Fujitsu> (after I realised it had probably broken it)
[04:59] <imbrandon> i thought it was an edgy regression
[04:59] <imbrandon> heh
[04:59] <imbrandon> then i just started using it
[04:59] <imbrandon> lol
[04:59] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: can you upload convertall again then?
[05:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon: silly, you know what hobbsee is like
[05:00] <micahcowan> imbrandon, decided against switching back, you mean? :-)
[05:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: actually, i didnt think that that hapened over the entire system.
[05:00] <Fujitsu> That's better now, thanks ajmitch.
[05:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: depends how you changed it
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uSzjKV19.html  thanks
[05:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: it did, no biggie though, micahcowan yea
[05:00] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: create it with debuild -S -sa
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: with sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[05:01] <ajmitch> you're missing an .orig.tar.gz for this upload
[05:01] <Fujitsu> I did, ajmitch.
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[05:01] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: of course that's system-wide
[05:01] <ajmitch> convertall_0.3.1-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[05:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea thats system wide, you could have just put export EDITOR in ~/.bashrc
[05:01] <ajmitch> no orig
[05:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i did that on other machine
[05:01] <ajmitch> naughty hobbsee
[05:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: but yea no biggie, but if you change sys wide setting anymore please atleaste lemme know LOL
[05:02] <ajmitch> at least switch him to gnome
[05:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure :P
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.
[05:02] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hahah i have both installed
[05:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: actually, iirc, you werent around for a few days after i did it...
[05:02] <imbrandon> just KDE default
[05:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: otherwise i would ahve
[05:02] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[05:02] <imbrandon> heh yea i took a 2 or 3 day holiday from dev stuff
[05:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, but switching your session to gnome is another matter
[05:02] <imbrandon> ajmitch: true ;)
[05:03] <imbrandon> and refraing from using kde apps in gnome too LOL
[05:03] <Fujitsu> I uploaded an old one. It's all a little confusing because I am on one computer, the package is on another (my laptop), and there's no FTP access outbound, so I have to copy the bits & pieces to an external server... I'll try again...
[05:03] <imbrandon> heh she only has access to one of mine ;)
[05:03] <Fujitsu> Silly Department of Education.
[05:03] <imbrandon> well two if you count the webhost
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: lag to NZ would be horrifying anyway.  now are you going to upload my merge, or will i need to get another core-dev to do it?  :)
[05:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you haven't given any details yet, so there's nothing for me to upload
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uSzjKV19.html  thanks.  libglade2
[05:04] <Hobbsee> http://merges.ubuntu.com/libg/libglade2/REPORT
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what other details did you want?
[05:04] <ajmitch> you're touching desktop team stuff now?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, i'm stealing yet another one of dholbach's merges.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: but effectively
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: mainly that dholbach has a whole lot of stuff to do, and was running out of time, so i decided to take some of them over.
[05:09] <bmonty> Hobbsee: there are many more merges on the universe list :)
[05:09] <imbrandon> 200+ last i looked bmonty
[05:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:09] <bmonty> only 162 new
[05:09] <Hobbsee> bmonty: indeed.  i was checking for bits on the main list that were marked as me.  decided to keep ignoring that one, and saw dholbach's name on another, so decided to steal it.
[05:10] <imbrandon> yea i havent looked in 48hrs or so
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bmonty: hwo many more do you still have to go on there?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> 162 new merges
[05:10] <Hobbsee> 67 updated merges
[05:10] <bmonty> Hobbsee: only a couple that won't build on my machine
[05:10] <Hobbsee> it's gone down.  keybuk did a few billion syncs.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how so?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> bmonty: ah okay.  those are always fun
[05:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS_libglade2-0 := -V 'libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1)'
[05:11] <ajmitch> whether that should have been updated in debian
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hmmm...quite possibly
[05:12] <ajmitch> also have to check libglade2-dev depends
[05:12] <bmonty> Hobbsee: actually I have been working from the top of the list for about a week now
[05:12] <ajmitch> whether >= 2.3 is adequate now
[05:12] <ajmitch> for python
[05:12] <Hobbsee> right..
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bmonty: yeah, that's what i figured people were doing.  that's why i started at the bottom, after doing all of mine
[05:12] <Hobbsee> well, almost all.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> one's still screwy.
[05:14] <ajmitch> or try & clean this one properly
[05:14] <bmonty> ajmitch: get a logitech wireless
[05:14] <ajmitch> bmonty: why?
[05:14] <bmonty> very nice
[05:14] <ajmitch> since I'm not likely to take it far from my desk
[05:15] <bmonty> I don't think they are overly expensive
[05:15] <bmonty> I guess if you compare it to the $5 ones in Walmart
[05:15] <ajmitch> I'd rather spend the money on a decent flat panel or two
[05:15] <bmonty> but I wouldn't want to use of those for very long
[05:16] <bmonty> gotta set your priorities :)
[05:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: +1 on that , i would love 1x23in cinema apple display
[05:16] <imbrandon> heh
[05:18] <ajmitch> I'll check some things over with the desktop team before uploading
[05:18] <ajmitch> I'm sure hobbsee will understand
[05:19] <bmonty> libglade2 isn't very important....
[05:20] <ajmitch> not at all
[05:20] <ajmitch> bmonty: it's just the incidental things, like shlibs, python dependencies, .la file, etc
[05:21] <ajmitch> nothing that would cause it to break stuff when installed
[05:23] <bmonty> ajmitch: so you want to tell me anything about what you have going on SSO?
[05:23] <ajmitch> hm, looks like it may be ok, compared to -0ubuntu1
[05:24] <ajmitch> not nearly enough on the server side, done more client-side configuration
[05:24] <bmonty> I think the client side is the hardest....especially if you want to make things "just work"
[05:25] <bmonty> I'm having problems on a wirless client that sometimes looses its connection and then all kinds of bad things happen
[05:25] <ajmitch> true, but I'd prefer an overall set of tools that let you have client/server easily
[05:25] <ajmitch> oh, what happens?
[05:25] <ajmitch> it breaks doing nss lookups?
[05:26] <bmonty> yes
[05:26] <ajmitch> sigh
[05:26] <bmonty> which does lots of bad things to gnome
[05:26] <ajmitch> one of the flaws
[05:26] <ajmitch> only way around that at the moment is nscd
[05:26] <bmonty> there are supposed to be two things that help with the problem
[05:26] <ajmitch> which has its own set of problems
[05:26] <bmonty> the nscd daemon and a caching module for PAM
[05:26] <ajmitch> ah right
[05:26] <ajmitch> but pam caching wouldn't be useful for nss
[05:26] <bmonty> neither of which I have working yet :(
[05:26] <ajmitch> since they're separate
[05:27] <ajmitch> nss being a libc feature
[05:27] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, the other thing is when it looses its connection and then I can't log on at all
[05:27] <ajmitch> suck
[05:27] <bmonty> which hopefully PAM caching will fix
[05:27] <ajmitch> using pam_krb5?
[05:27] <ajmitch> or similar
[05:27] <bmonty> yes
[05:27] <ajmitch> how would pam caching work with kerberos though?
[05:27] <ajmitch> it sounds fragile
[05:28] <bmonty> I do pam_mount -> pam_unix (sufficient) -> pam_krb5 (sufficient)
[05:28] <ajmitch> right
[05:28] <bmonty> ajmitch: it may let you log in, but if your TGT is expired you aren't going to be able to authenticate anywhere else
[05:28] <ajmitch> yes
[05:29] <bmonty> of course if the network is hosed, that might be the least of your problems :)
[05:29] <LaserJock> :-)
[05:29] <ajmitch> but if you're logged out, the ticket should have been destroyed
[05:29] <ajmitch> unless the cache decides to keep things around
[05:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: true
[05:29] <ajmitch> which sounds a bit sticky
[05:29] <bmonty> I don't know much about how it works yet...I just know it exists
[05:30] <ajmitch> it's not like windows handles things much better :)
[05:30] <bmonty> true
[05:30] <ajmitch> nscd is the usual solution for the network going away when you're logged in
[05:30] <ajmitch> for the few things it may have cached
[05:30] <bmonty> I haven't been able to get nscd working well
[05:30] <ajmitch> what isses have you have with it?
[05:30] <bmonty> caches time out too quickly
[05:31] <bmonty> it requires some thought to tune its timeouts
[05:31] <bmonty> the defaults are definately inadequate
[05:31] <ajmitch> yeah - too long & things break
[05:32] <ajmitch> I haven't got a config module for nscd yet, I'll probably have to quickly add one
[05:33] <bmonty> are you just trying to get authentication/authorization working, or are you going to add some other features (like pam_mount)?
[05:33] <ajmitch> not adding pam_mount for now
[05:33] <ajmitch> though I've considered having a generic pam config tool
[05:34] <ajmitch> one that is just a frontend for the files, allowing you to reorder/add/delete modules
[05:34] <bmonty> ajmitch: that sounds like a complicated task
[05:34] <ajmitch> something any one can do with an editor
[05:34] <bmonty> ahh...that might not be so bad
[05:34] <ajmitch> what were you thinking?
[05:34] <ajmitch> getting the order right automatically is hard
[05:34] <bmonty> a tool that required no knowledge of how PAM worked
[05:35] <ajmitch> that requires knowledge of most of the PAM modules out there, and the context they can be used in
[05:35] <bmonty> but if you expect the user to know PAM, then you are just making life a little easier
[05:35] <ajmitch> for now, my tool just adds things like pam_krb5 in what could be an appropriate place
[05:35] <bmonty> A tool that could list all of the modules, their capabilties, and options in a nice GUI would be very useful
[05:36] <ajmitch> probably require reading the source of each module to find that out
[05:36] <bmonty> you could assume that the system is starting with a stock ubuntu setup and modify from there
[05:36] <ajmitch> I may do it though
[05:36] <ajmitch> I do assume that
[05:36] <bmonty> and offer to completely overwrite the configs if it isn't the default?
[05:37] <ajmitch> I'm glad that smb.conf can be managed by python's ConfigParser
[05:37] <ajmitch> no, I don't do that, though I should
[05:37] <ajmitch> "blow away your config? (yes|no|I feel lucky)"
[05:37] <bmonty> :)
[05:37] <bmonty> with a big flashing "WARNING YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO LOG ON"
[05:38] <ajmitch> if they have a custom pam config that I can't handle, then they're not so likely to be using this tool :)
[05:38] <bmonty> I've done a lot of recovery mode boots in the past few weeks :)
[05:38] <ajmitch> hehe
[05:38] <ajmitch> vmware is great, really
[05:38] <ajmitch> if you have the RAM
[05:38] <bmonty> yeah I know, I need to start using it more
[05:39] <ajmitch> I'm so glad I planned for heavy RAM usage when I bought this box
[05:39] <ajmitch> it runs nicely without any swap
[05:40] <caleb-> Hey, an Ubuntu member said that backport can start before edgy release. But Dapper's backports has zero package. Anyone has idea? The member I mentioned is freeflying, an Ubuntu CJK leader.
[05:40] <bmonty> I meant to have 4GB in this box, but I messed up the order....when I priced out what I really needed for that much RAM it was more than my budget
[05:40] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:40] <ajmitch> you were going to get ECC registered RAM though, right?
[05:41] <bmonty> yes
[05:41] <bmonty> so I've got 2GB....getting to 4 might be a future upgrade
[05:42] <ajmitch> seeing that new Mac Pro - could be nice to have dual-cpu, dual-core, 16GB RAM
[05:42] <nexu> buwhaha
[05:43] <bmonty> ajmitch: I gotta go to bed, but if you need help testing let me know
[05:43] <ajmitch> night
[05:44] <bmonty> I also have the python code for libkrb5 kinda working too
[05:44] <bmonty> good night all
[05:44] <LaserJock> man I *just* got 1GB in my AMD 1800+ box not too long ago
[05:44] <ajmitch> great
[05:44] <LaserJock> cya bmonty
[05:44] <ajmitch> bmonty: can you push your branch of that to launchpad?
[05:44] <bmonty_away> ajmitch: it is in launchpad
[05:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: heh, I've got a dead 1800+ sitting here
[05:44] <ajmitch> bmonty_away: ah, I didn't see, product name?
[05:44] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty_away
[05:45] <bmonty_away> ajmitch: python-krb5
[05:45] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's my fast box :/
[05:45] <bmonty_away> hey bddebian
[05:45] <ajmitch> last time I fetched from you, I used wget to mirror the .bzr dir from https ;)
[05:45] <ajmitch> Page not found
[05:45] <ajmitch> There?s no page with this address in Launchpad.
[05:45] <ajmitch> hm
[05:46] <bmonty_away> https://launchpad.net/people/bmontgom/+branch/+junk/python-krb5
[05:46] <ajmitch> ah ok
[05:46] <ajmitch> thanks :)
[05:46] <bmonty_away> don't ask me what the +junk is there for
[05:46] <Fujitsu> bmonty_away, fbi isn't suitable for syncing.
[05:46] <Fujitsu> bmonty_away, there is a packaging error.
[05:46] <ajmitch> unattached to a product
[05:46] <Fujitsu> I've talked to the Debian maintainer, and he's uploading a new one to unstable on Sunday.
[05:47] <bmonty_away> Fujitsu: ok, can you please put that on the bug
[05:47] <Fujitsu> I shall.
[05:47] <bmonty_away> yeah...night guys
[05:48] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[05:50] <bddebian> Damn, where's lfittl?
[06:16] <bddebian> Hmm, no one has touched wine yet? :-)
[06:16] <Amaranth> bddebian: does the one in the repos still segfault?
[06:17] <Amaranth> bddebian: I just add the winehq source repo and build on my own with patches and -fno-stack-protector
[06:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ping
[06:18] <ajmitch> yessir?
[06:18] <imbrandon> your a DD right ?
[06:18] <ajmitch> am I meant to admit to that?
[06:18] <bddebian> Amaranth: Dunno but we are a little behind in Edgy
[06:18] <imbrandon> heheh well i was gonna ask you about the RTP preocess , i have never delt with debian directly
[06:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ITP? RFP?
[06:19] <imbrandon> got a min or two to explain it to me so i dont fumble it up on my first attempt
[06:19] <imbrandon> err yea , see i already did lol
[06:19] <ajmitch> reportbug in a debian chroot
[06:19] <ajmitch> easiest way to get a template for it
[06:19] <ajmitch> hm
[06:20] <imbrandon> ok i have NO clue about how it even works etc
[06:20] <ajmitch> who put in the libnss-ldap sync request?
[06:20] <imbrandon> its there a mini doc on it somewhere
[06:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch: whos name does it say ?
[06:20] <ajmitch> bddebian:
[06:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: visit bugs.debian.org/libnss-ldap & tell me how many RC bugs you see there, please
[06:21] <bddebian> Oh, hehe 5, whoops
[06:21] <ajmitch> you have tested the debian package on edgy, right?
[06:22] <bddebian> But of course...
[06:22] <ajmitch> that is, more that just biuld & check if it installs
[06:22] <imbrandon> ok ajmitch soo let me be a newb here for a minute, i make me a debian ( probbably sid ) chroot and file a big for a package that isnt even in debain ? ( i'm wanting to get a sponsor for apt-mirror but i'll have to change the config for it as the ubuntu one is ubuntu specific )
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you can send a mail if you want
[06:23] <imbrandon> s/big/bug
[06:23] <ajmitch> but I assumed that if you were creating a debian package, you'd be building and testing on debian
[06:23] <imbrandon> yea i will , err planned to but i just dont know the "debian way"
[06:23] <imbrandon> to get something in unstable
[06:23] <LaserJock> hmm, does Xubuntu have a community council?
[06:23] <imbrandon> only read a very little
[06:24] <Amaranth> file an ITP?
[06:24] <imbrandon> Amaranth: yea , thats what i was asking about
[06:24] <Amaranth> LaserJock: we have one community council for everything
[06:24] <ajmitch> pretty much as you said - people generally help on #debian-mentors & the mentors mailing list
[06:24] <ajmitch> Amaranth: not quite correct
[06:24] <ajmitch> there are also edubuntu & kubuntu councils
[06:24] <LaserJock> but not Xubuntu, right?
[06:24] <nexu> blah!
[06:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not that I know of
[06:25] <Amaranth> ajmitch: oh yeah, i go to the edubuntu meetings :)
[06:25] <ajmitch> imbrandon: #debian-mentors may be on oftc now
[06:25] <ajmitch> there's also mentors.debian.net, sponsors.debian.net, or bug your local DD
[06:25] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ok cool thanks alot , i'll pop in there and see too
[06:25] <imbrandon> hehe yea your my local DD ;)
[06:25] <imbrandon> bwhahaha
[06:25] <ajmitch> there's more than just me here
[06:26] <imbrandon> true but i dont know whom else is , /me looks arround to see if someone perks up
[06:26] <ajmitch> noone else wants to admit to it
[06:26] <LaserJock> imbrandon: basically, and ITP is a bug filed against wnpp
[06:26] <ajmitch> NM guide has details on it, or the developer's reference
[06:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea thats all and good but i know zero about wnpp or ITP , i came from suse to ubuntu and learned that way so i have very very very little working knolage about the debian way
[06:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: me neither
[06:27] <LaserJock> take a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[06:27] <imbrandon> kk
[06:28] <LaserJock> ITPs are under "Packages being worked on"
[06:28] <LaserJock> look at a few of them to see what they look like
[06:29] <LaserJock> but reportbug, I believe, has a template and everything for it
[06:29] <imbrandon> yea i'll probably use that as i'll have to install a debain chroot for sid and test it etc anyhow
[06:30] <ajmitch> debootstrap is your friend
[06:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:30] <imbrandon> ok so i should build my chroot and get all my package ducks in a row before i bug someone to mentor me ajmitch / LaserJock ?
[06:30] <ajmitch> you already know packaging, so it shouldn't take too long
[06:30] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea i have had a sid chroot on here a few times i just keep cleaning it when i dont use it, shouldent do that i guess
[06:31] <imbrandon> heh i removed it when i removed my breezy chroot and suse chroot
[06:31] <imbrandon> heh
[06:31] <imbrandon> should have kept that one, atm i only have 2 edgy and 2 dapper ( 32/64 bit of each )
[06:32] <ajmitch> also sarge
[06:32] <imbrandon> heh
[06:32] <imbrandon> sarge is stable right ?
[06:32] <imbrandon> or old stable
[06:32] <ajmitch> stable
[06:32] <ajmitch> woody is oldstable
[06:33] <imbrandon> ahh yea thats the one, i tried installing that way way way back
[06:33] <imbrandon> leaste i think that was the one
[06:33] <imbrandon> it was arround 99ish
[06:33] <imbrandon> i got it on a magazine cd
[06:33] <imbrandon> heh
[06:34] <imbrandon> back when i changed distros once a week
[06:34] <imbrandon> might have even been the version before woody, dunno it was long ago
[06:35] <bddebian> Potato
[06:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:51] <imbrandon> w00t , one more step to world domination complete ....
[06:51] <imbrandon> I: Base system installed successfully.
[06:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media/extra/sid$
[06:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:58] <crimsun> wow, that totally sucked. Apparently choosing to keep one's system (Win XP) updated just blew away my MBR, so I had to boot from Shipit's Kubuntu live cds to restore GRUB. /me shakes his fist at Win XP.
[06:58] <imbrandon> crimsun: ouch
[06:59] <caleb-> crimsun: grub works fine in a bootable active partition. :-)
[07:02] <crimsun> caleb-: oh it was far more insane. I had to use PXE to get to the frigging cdrom.
[07:06] <bddebian> nice
[07:26] <bddebian> Well I see that the popplerkit framework is well maintained..
[07:26] <bddebian> Oh well, gnight folks
[07:27] <crimsun> 'night
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[08:22] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: can you write me a short piece on your MOTU school?
[08:22] <Laser_away> dholbach: look at the top sticky at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=144
[08:22] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: after it happens, for the UWN
[08:22] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: like what?
[08:22] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: sure
[08:23] <carthik> What about before it happens for the fridge, and/or the events calendar? I am sure it could use some more visibility.
[08:23] <carthik> I don't know if the events calendar has to be only about meetings though.
[08:23] <dholbach> Laser_away: nice
[08:23] <Laser_away> yeah, I'm not really sure about the fridge calendar
[08:24] <Laser_away> dholbach: I'm thinking we should have a permanent MOTU School sticky on the edgy forum
[08:24] <carthik> I tried asking at #ubuntu-fridge regarding an article reproducing your email, Laser_away, but did not get a definitive response
[08:24] <imbrandon> Laser_away: yea
[08:25] <dholbach> I personally don't look into the forums much, so I'm probably not the best about handling of the forums. :(
[08:25] <imbrandon> carthik: i'll take care of the cal thing
[08:25] <carthik> imbrandon, great :)
[08:25] <Laser_away> dholbach: me neither, but I feel bad if we don't invite them at least ;-)
[08:25] <Laser_away> imbrandon: thanks
[08:26] <imbrandon> carthik: as far as a story just stick one in the cue and get one of us to ACK it ( us == other fidge devel's , we do it on a peer review thing )
[08:26] <imbrandon> Laser_away: might poke hobbsee about the forums too she frequents them alot
[08:27] <imbrandon> ( as far as keeping an eye on the post )_
[08:27] <Amaranth> I'm on the forums all the time.
[08:28] <Amaranth> In the edgy section, anyway.
[08:28] <Laser_away> Amaranth: I know, I keep running across your posts
[08:28] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:28] <imbrandon> hehe or Amaranth ;)
[08:28] <Laser_away> ok, I'm going away again
[08:29] <imbrandon> heh
[08:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ping ( again ) hehe
[08:30] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[08:30] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[08:36] <carthik> imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Motu-school-packaging if you wish to ACK it
[08:38] <imbrandon> Laser_away: its in #ubuntu-motu-school right ?
[08:39] <crimsun> (editing)
[08:40] <imbrandon> kk
[08:43] <imbrandon> Laser_away: added to the 11th http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event ( might check for accuracy )
[08:45] <crimsun> (done)
[08:45] <imbrandon> cool crimsun thanks
[09:01] <imbrandon> crimsun: mind proofing that one last time ( i have it live now ) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[09:04] <crimsun> looks fine
[09:19] <Gloubiboulga> Morning
[09:22] <carthik> Good morning, Gloubiboulga
[09:23] <Gloubiboulga> hello carthik
[09:53] <TheMuso> Evening Hobbsee.
[09:54] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[09:56] <TheMuso> How be life?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: we had the auditors thru work, so that was kinda interesting
[09:57] <Hobbsee> then again, my painful boss is away at the moment, which is good :)
[09:57] <TheMuso> heh
[09:59] <lucas> rah, I like it when we package new software in ubuntu, and then debian packages it too, but differently
[10:01] <Amaranth> lucas: Dude that's half the fun. :/
[10:07] <Yagisan> evening all
[10:08] <TheMuso> Hey Yagisan.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[10:09] <Yagisan> so how are we all today ?
[10:10] <micahcowan> sounds... therapeutic.
[10:11] <Yagisan> it is
[10:12] <Yagisan> crimsun, did you get my email re nforce2 audio not working ?
[10:12] <micahcowan> Huh.... I have nforce2...
[10:13] <micahcowan> ac97
[10:13] <Yagisan> micahcowan, I found a user that gets no sound at all with their nforce2
[10:14] <Yagisan> micahcowan, modules loaded etc, just no sound
[10:14] <Amaranth> Yagisan: Banning jerks?
[10:15] <Amaranth> Yagisan: The dialip.xtra.co.nz guy was just a huge newb if that's who you're talking about. sabdfl and lilo have both talked to him.
[10:15] <Yagisan> yes indeed Amaranth. the kind that come in swear, fight with new users, and otherwise cause trouble
[10:15] <Yagisan> Amaranth, nope - different channel
[10:15] <Amaranth> ah
[10:20] <[cro] smiley> morning people
[10:20] <Hobbsee> hi [cro] smiley
[10:33] <[cro] smiley> can some of the motu review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2865 please
[10:38] <lucas> [cro] smiley: trailing '.' in the short description
[10:40] <lucas> and how does it compare to gtimer, gnotime, and karm ?
[10:45] <[cro] smiley> lucas, i remove '.' in short description?
[10:45] <lucas> yes
[10:45] <[cro] smiley> ok
[10:48] <lucas> and what about my second question ? also, you could include this info (how it compares to others) in the description
[10:49] <[cro] smiley> lucas, to be honest i don't know how it compares, never used those :)
[10:51] <lucas> others might think differently, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of adding a package to ubnutu which does exactly the same thing (or less) than another package already in the archive
[10:52] <azeem> there are some obvious exceptions to his, like editors, web browsers and irc clients, to which people are emotionally attached to
[10:53] <azeem> but in general, I think duplicating packages for the sake of packaging isn't so great
[10:55] <lucas> I'm not saying we need only one editor
[10:56] <azeem> lucas: sure :)
[10:57] <lucas> but we wouldn't need two gtk-based editors with vi syntax, for example
[11:01] <micahcowan> 'course, even there, you could have a "vim" versus "elvis" type thing going on...
[11:04] <lucas> yeah, but it's easy to justify the presence of both, since one of them has a lot of features, and the other one is aimed at being very light
[11:05] <Toadstool> 'morning
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Morning Toadstool.
[12:50] <[cro] smiley> lucas, i just tryed gtimer, gnotime and kam.  Only gnotime is a bit similar but just with the basic idea. The point at TimeSaver is not to count elapsed time, but to countdown defined task duration.
[12:50] <imbrandon_> ajmitch: ping , still awake / alive ?
[12:51] <[cro] smiley> tsaver also has report view but in xml that can be viewed in web browser
[12:52] <[cro] smiley> lucas, i my opinion my app is much simpler and easyer to use then apps you mentioned above
[12:53] <[cro] smiley> still it's up to you to decide if you need it or not...
[01:00] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: what now?
[01:01] <StevenK> ajmitch: That's a little melodramatic, isn't it?
[01:01] <imbrandon_> heh i have my package uploaded to mentors.debian.net as gonna see if you wanted to sponsor me or if i should just email the mentor list
[01:01] <imbrandon_> heh
[01:01] <imbrandon_> lol StevenK
[01:01] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: did you hear that StevenK is a DD? :)
[01:02] <imbrandon_> yup yup i see that
[01:02] <imbrandon_> heh
[01:02] <ajmitch> StevenK: you know you want to
[01:02] <ajmitch> StevenK: of course you did
[01:02] <StevenK> Nah, he did.
[01:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon_: I'd email the list
[01:02] <StevenK> imbrandon_: Depends how large this upload is.
[01:03] <imbrandon_> StevenK / ajmitch  could either or you look at it , very small stevenk , few hundred k
[01:03] <imbrandon_> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=apt-mirror
[01:03] <StevenK> Wah.
[01:03] <imbrandon_> StevenK: its only a few hundred k, its basicly the same package i got into universe
[01:04] <StevenK> db.d.o doesn't list record creation time.
[01:04] <ajmitch> nm.d.o lists me
[01:04] <StevenK> nm.d.o lists me too.
[01:04] <ajmitch> Account Created 2005-02-03
[01:04] <ajmitch> see, I'm new
[01:04] <imbrandon_> hehe
[01:05] <StevenK> Then you upload it, you need the experience.
[01:05] <imbrandon_> lol
[01:05] <StevenK> Account Created 2001-07-17
[01:07] <imbrandon_> soooo StevenK you gonna hook a bro up or should i fire up my email client hehe
[01:12] <phanatic> afternoon
[01:12] <imbrandon_> 'ello phanatic
[01:12] <phanatic> hi imbrandon_
[01:49] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: congrats
[01:49] <TheMuso> and ajmitch
[01:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> nothing to congratulate me about
[01:50] <TheMuso> Yeah there is.
[01:50] <TheMuso> Recognition from core devs that you are capable and responsible enough to look after that team.
[01:50] <ajmitch> nah, Hobbsee is set as team owner
[01:50] <ajmitch> not me
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you're still the admin
[01:50] <StevenK> What's the team name?
[01:50] <ajmitch> ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:50] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <TheMuso> I might actually join you lot once I have had MOTU rights for six mnths.
[01:53] <ajmitch> heh
[01:53] <TheMuso> months
[01:54] <ajmitch> it'll be interesting to see if this works
[02:01] <TheMuso> heh
[02:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: oh it does :P
[02:02] <tseng> come back at night
[02:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: did you never see it right after release?
[02:02] <TheMuso> Yeah I have.
[02:02] <TheMuso> But it wasn't as crazy as this
[02:17] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, hello
[02:18] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Hey
[02:18] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, could you upload espeak on REVU, it's easier to review a new upstream release there
[02:18] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Sure.
[02:18] <Gloubiboulga> (I'm testing the gnome-orca build)
[02:20] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: espeak should be up there.
[02:20] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, ok, thanks
[02:20] <TheMuso> np
[02:21] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, why a star (just curious)?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: because stars are pretty, i'ts yellow, and i like yellow, and...yeah...pretty much :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: oh, and the good uploads get a star on them, whereas the bad ones get rejected :P
[02:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you should have used the heart from REVU
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: could have done that.  one problem:  i dont have a heart.
[02:22] <ajmitch> because it's on REVU still?
[02:22] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: How should we take that? :p
[02:23] <ajmitch> TheMuso: in the worst way possible, of course
[02:23] <TheMuso> Oh thats right, you like using your whip
[02:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hehe
[02:58] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Thanks.
[02:59] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, my pleasure :)
[03:11] <Fujitsu> Goodnight everybody.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> night Fujitsu
[03:12] <Fujitsu> I'll be back tomorrow to pester you all with more merges :P
[03:13] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yay :)
[03:17] <TheMuso> :p
[03:17] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yay :)
[03:19] <ajmitch> TheMuso: how radical?
[03:19] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well the speakup inclusion and spoken boot specs for a start.
[03:19] <TheMuso> And theres a few legistical issues that need sorting out from those specs.
[03:19] <ajmitch> brave
[03:19] <ajmitch> how would this be enabled?
[03:20] <TheMuso> Which one?
[03:20] <ajmitch> spoken boot
[03:20] <TheMuso> The speakup inclusion spec is the easy one. Speakup is in the kernel, I have just got to finish writing the userspace glue.
[03:20] <kagou> hi
[03:20] <ajmitch> I can't imagine that spoken boot would be on by default
[03:20] <ajmitch> hello kagou
[03:20] <TheMuso> Basically putting a small speech synth into initramfs with soundcard drivers to start speaking asap. It won't be on by default, but the legistics of getting everything in there.
[03:21] <TheMuso> Keybuk suggested it in Paris, and Jeff thought it would aso be possible.
[03:21] <TheMuso> I wasn't thinking of stuff nearly as radicle.
[03:22] <ajmitch> how would someone that needed it turn it on?
[03:22] <TheMuso> A command that is run at sudo to set things up.
[03:23] <TheMuso> Eventually, we hope to put together one big control panel for everything accessibility related.
[03:23] <ajmitch> so there wouldn't be a boot option on the live cd, for example?
[03:23] <ajmitch> this would only be for an installed system, at least to start with?
[03:23] <TheMuso> Not for spoken boot, no.
[03:23] <TheMuso> Yes.
[03:24] <TheMuso> It will hopefully piggyback of keybuk's boot message logging stuff that is also in another spec.
[03:24] <ajmitch> sounds good
[03:25] <TheMuso> We'll see.
[03:25] <TheMuso> At least the idea of edgy is to push the boundaries somewhat.
[03:25] <TheMuso> And play with stuff that might not be entirely stable.
[03:26] <ajmitch> which is a good thing
[03:26] <TheMuso> Perfect accessibility testing platform.
[03:26] <TheMuso> As some of this stuff is still a little raw.
[03:26] <ajmitch> and very needed
[03:26] <TheMuso> Very true.
[03:47] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[03:47] <Yagisan> night TheMuso
[03:54] <nexu> what is "launchpad-integration" for ?
[05:34] <trappist> I have a bug here that can be fixed easily if 'route -n' will show the right default gateway on a machine whose routing tables were put together by iproute2.  anybody know if this is the case?
[08:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[08:27] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[08:27] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:35] <bit_doidao> hello there!
[08:35] <bit_doidao> i want to recompile php5. how can i do that?
[08:35] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: apt-get source <sourcepackage>
[08:35] <LaserJock> that will grab the source package
[08:35] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, i runned sudo apt-get build-dep php5
[08:36] <bit_doidao> first i runned the apt-source
[08:36] <LaserJock> k
[08:36] <bit_doidao> but it gave me children proccess error
[08:36] <crimsun> Yagisan: yes, but I've been horridly busy. I'll get to it this evening (~4 hrs)
[08:36] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: you ran apt-get source php5 ??
[08:37] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, just did without error
[08:37] <Yagisan> crimsun, np. take your time (and why am I up at 4:30am ?)
[08:37] <LaserJock> Yagisan: no wonder you see spots
[08:38] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: ok so if you go into the source directory and find debian/rules
[08:38] <Yagisan> LaserJock, sadly ther predate my first use of a computer by about 4 years
[08:38] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:38] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, where is the source?
[08:38] <LaserJock> in the directory you ran apt-get source in
[08:42] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, untar the php source but dont have debian/rules there
[08:44] <bddebian> bit_doidao: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[08:45] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: you don't need to untar it
[08:45] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: the dir should be there
[08:45] <bddebian> Oh, he did apt-get source.. Duh..
[08:46] <bit_doidao> ok, i have three files here.
[08:47] <bit_doidao> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  102328 2006-07-19 10:10 php5_5.1.2-1ubuntu3.1.diff.gz-rw-r--r--  1 root root    1768 2006-07-19 10:10 php5_5.1.2-1ubuntu3.1.dsc
[08:47] <bit_doidao> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 8064193 2006-01-18 05:15 php5_5.1.2.orig.tar.gz
[08:47] <LaserJock> and a directory?
[08:47] <LaserJock> ack, don't do it as root
[08:47] <LaserJock> rm those files
[08:47] <LaserJock> and run "apt-get source php5", no sudo
[08:48] <bit_doidao> owk, im going from beginning
[08:49] <bit_doidao> owk, i have everything in /home/duda/php5
[08:51] <bit_doidao> what now? its my first compilation
[08:52] <LaserJock> ok, so what do you want to do?
[08:52] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, use the same php5, but with additional features
[08:52] <LaserJock> ok
[08:52] <bit_doidao> in fact, i need imap supoprt and the function imap_rfc822_parse_adrlist
[08:53] <LaserJock> look at debian/rules in the source directory
[08:55] <bit_doidao> cool
[08:57] <bit_doidao> ok, now i have to insert the compile parameter that i want, and than just compile?
[08:57] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[08:57] <bddebian> With some switches
[09:08] <bit_doidao> bddebian, i runned ./configure
[09:08] <bit_doidao> and now make
[09:09] <bit_doidao> its working..
[09:27] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: that's probably not the way you want to do it
[09:30] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: generally you would run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (after you install fakeroot)
[09:33] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, whats the diference from the two methods?
[09:33] <bit_doidao> it worked here
[09:34] <LaserJock> well, if you just do a ./configure, make, make install you are not using the Debian/Ubuntu source
[09:34] <phanatic> bit_doidao: with dpkg-buildpackage you create (build) a package
[09:35] <LaserJock> dpkg-buildpackage actually uses the info in debian/ to build the package
[09:35] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, i can redo this now?
[09:35] <LaserJock> did you do make install?
[09:35] <bit_doidao> ops, undo
[09:35] <bit_doidao> LaserJock, yeah
[09:36] <LaserJock> bit_doidao: hmm, it probably went to /usr/local/
[09:36] <LaserJock> just rm the source directory
[09:36] <trappist> I have a bug here that can be fixed easily if 'route -n' will show the right default gateway on a machine whose routing tables were put together by iproute2.  anybody know if this is the case?
[09:37] <LaserJock> and then run "dpkg-source -x *.dsc " to unpack the source package agian
[09:48] <Sp4rKy> hey motus
[09:49] <Sp4rKy> i've always rpath issues with audacious
[10:33] <LaserJock> darn it!
[10:34] <LaserJock> a piece of glassware just disintigrated in my hands :(
[10:36] <LaserJock> I guess it just proves I should give up on chemistry  ;-)
[10:36] <crimsun> no, it implies you should get increased funding so that lackeys can do the work involving glasswork.
[10:37] <crimsun> glassware, even
[10:37] <bddebian> heh
[10:37] <LaserJock> well, this was more highlevel stuff
[10:37] <LaserJock> not just cleaning ;-)
[10:37] <crimsun> like I said, increased funding to get lackeys.
[10:37] <LaserJock> and us Physical Chemists can't afford to hire undergrad lackeys
[10:37] <LaserJock> we spend it on lasers
[10:37] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:37] <crimsun> you need to work for Uncle, then.
[10:38] <LaserJock> I just made up a solution and was holding the flask in the sonicator
[10:38] <LaserJock> and the top just broke into pieces
[10:38] <LaserJock> very odd
[10:50] <mc44> LaserJock: I hope you might know this - is there anything like ChemDraw or Chem3D that is packaged for Ubuntu?
[10:51] <LaserJock> mc44: 2D or 3D or both?
[10:52] <mc44> both if possible
[10:52] <LaserJock> for 2D there are quite a few
[10:52] <mc44> any recommendations for the best?
[10:52] <LaserJock> xdrawchem and chemtool are ok
[10:53] <LaserJock> bkchem is supposed to be really good but we don't have it in Ubuntu yet :(
[10:53] <LaserJock> for 3D, I like ghemical
[10:53] <LaserJock> it's a molecular modeling app that is really nice
[10:54] <mc44> Oh sweet, I'll try them out, thanks alot!
[10:54] <crimsun> (where is bkchem?)
[10:54] <LaserJock> mc44: also check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuScientists
[10:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: hm?
[10:55] <LaserJock> http://bkchem.zirael.org/
[10:55] <crimsun> LaserJock: revu? NEW queue? not in debian? what's the holdup?
[10:55] <LaserJock> not in anything
[10:55] <crimsun> I hear bddebian is bored...
[10:55] <LaserJock> oh wait, there is an ITP (400+ days) in Debian
[10:55] <bddebian> Nice
[10:56] <crimsun> dude, you "lost" my pony.
[10:56] <mc44> LaserJock: Thanks for the link! lots of interesting stuff. Mmmmm mpqc!
[10:56] <LaserJock> it's python, very nice looking. I hadn't heard of it until a couple days ago and undergrad in my lab mentioned it was better for him than anything we have
[10:56] <LaserJock> mc44: yeah, ghemical can use mpqc
[10:56] <LaserJock> as well as mopac7
[10:57] <mc44> awesome, shall go play some...
[10:57] <LaserJock> anyway, bkchem is on my todo list, I'd like to do it for Debian
[10:57] <LaserJock> probably in the debichem project
[10:58] <LaserJock> we are starting to get a nice gathering of chemistry software
[10:58] <LaserJock> I also started a team of devs to make a periodic table app for gnome
[10:59] <mc44> to steal the stuff from kalzium?
[10:59] <LaserJock> yep
[10:59] <mc44> excellent
[10:59] <LaserJock> a big problem for Edubuntu is that kalzium is an excellent educational app
[11:00] <bddebian> bkchem doesn't look too hard
[11:00] <LaserJock> and so kdelibs have to be included in the .iso
[11:00] <LaserJock> which takes up a lot of space
[11:00] <sbalneav> Be on later tonight.  Bye all
[11:00] <LaserJock> but gperiodic is not really a serious alternative
[11:01] <mc44> yeah I played with gperiodic, it wasnt great
[11:01] <LaserJock> yeah, so we are taking kalziums data (very comprehensive)
[11:02] <mc44> kalzium isnt listed on that Ubuntu Science page - is that because it is kubuntu only?
[11:02] <LaserJock> and using pygtk and cairo to do a gnome app
[11:02] <LaserJock> mc44: it's probably because it's considered more of an educational app or somebody forgot to add it :-)
[11:02] <LaserJock> mc44: so if you feel like adding it go for it
[11:03] <LaserJock> mc44: do you know how to use bzr?
[11:04] <mc44> LaserJock: Its not educational, its required for all those times I forget which thing named after ytterby is which
[11:04] <mc44> LaserJock: no havent used bzr
[11:04] <LaserJock> mc44: install bzr real quick :-)
[11:05] <mc44> its not like I can code either :)
[11:05] <LaserJock> mc44: well, it is a part of KDE Edutainment so..
[11:05] <LaserJock> mc44: neither can I ;-)
[11:05] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist remember :-)
[11:06] <mc44> I meant its not just educational...
[11:06] <LaserJock> of course
[11:06] <mc44> Heh Im more of a not a chemist anymore really
[11:07] <LaserJock> mc44: tell me when you have it installed
[11:07] <mc44> just apt-get bzr?
[11:08] <LaserJock> apt-get install bzr
[11:08] <mc44> but I like it when apt tells me it cant bzr :)
[11:08] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:08] <LaserJock> for some reason I do that all the time
[11:08] <mc44> there we go
[11:08] <LaserJock> I think it's because of the -get part
[11:09] <LaserJock> in my mind i'm saying "Apt, go get bzr"
[11:09] <LaserJock> ok, now run bzr branch http://dev.realistanew.com/gallium--tw/
[11:12] <mc44> LaserJock: its finsihed. with 19 revisions apparently
[11:13] <LaserJock> mc44: then go in to gallium--tw and run python table.py
[11:13] <mc44> ooooh shiny :)
[11:14] <LaserJock> mc44: that's what a smart person can do in ~2 days
[11:15] <LaserJock> they guy who wrote the alacarte menu editor did most of that
[11:15] <mc44> LaserJock: very cool. Also i'm a big fan of pink for transition metals
[11:16] <LaserJock> lol, maybe we should have ponies for the elements that don't have pics
[11:16] <LaserJock> crimsun would like that ;-)
[11:16] <mc44> And here is Mendelevium, represented by a pony thats *not yours*
[11:17] <LaserJock> mc44: anyway, that's the kind of thing Ubuntu is about. We were in an Edubuntu meeting talking about how we would like to not have to ship both Gnome and KDE libs
[11:17] <LaserJock> and a major sticking point to dropping the KDE libs is kalzium
[11:17] <LaserJock> so we decided to do something about it :-)
[11:18] <mc44> :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> anyway, I'd better get back to some real chemistry
[11:19] <mc44> by that you mean, breaking glassware? :)
[11:19] <LaserJock> mc44: well, hopefully not
[11:20] <mc44> LaserJock: thanks for the help! I will play with gallium until it breaks then report some bugs :)
[11:46] <nemish> hello just curious where can I find bugs currently found in Edgy?
[11:47] <LaserJock> nemish: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[11:47] <nemish> is that for Edgy or all releases?
[11:47] <LaserJock> well, it's bugs
[11:48] <LaserJock> but we need to know of they are for edgy or not
[11:48] <LaserJock> because they need to be closed if they were fixed :-)
[11:48] <nemish> hmm okay.. just trying to figure out if bugs I'm finding are found or not.. have never done this before with a "Testing" branch
[11:49] <LaserJock> just look for the bug
[11:49] <nemish> ok
[11:49] <LaserJock> if you don't find it, file it
[11:49] <nemish> hehehe.. okay
[11:50] <LaserJock> nemish: and #ubuntu-bugs is the place to ask :-)
[11:51] <nemish> okay.. what is #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-devel used for? and this channel as well?
[11:51] <nemish> just so I know
[11:52] <crimsun> edgy and development discussion, respectively.
[11:52] <nemish> crimsun, which this channel or those others?
[11:52] <mc44> ubuntu+1 is for the support you get in ubuntu, but for the developmental release (in this case edgy)
[11:53] <mc44> in #ubuntu i mean
[11:53] <crimsun> nemish: the topic outlines what this channel is used for :)
[11:54] <nemish> crimsun, I understand that part but just trying to find out which of these groups would be best to discuss findings in Edgy before/after I file a bug
[11:54] <nemish> :)
[11:54] <crimsun> #ubuntu-bugs
[11:54] <bddebian> Dinner time, later gang
[11:55] <LaserJock> #ubuntu-bugs is for bug related activity
[11:55] <nemish> ok figured ubuntu+1 was for edgy discussion.. but okay thanks
[11:55] <LaserJock> ubuntu+1 is for edgy support
[11:55] <LaserJock> ubuntu-devel is for development discussion
[11:55] <LaserJock> and ubuntu-motu is for Universe development in particular
[11:56] <dholbach> night guys
[11:56] <LaserJock> cya daniel
[11:56] <LaserJock> nemish: does that make sense?
[11:56] <nemish> Sorry to be a pain but for example.. sound not working in Edgy where would I discuss this before opening a ticket that might already be filed? bugs, edgy support(#ubuntu+1) ... just don't want to cause unecessary aggrevation
[11:57] <nemish> for the most part i can understand that but just don't want to ask about Edgy stuff in wrong channel
[11:57] <crimsun> ask me in -+1.
[11:57] <nemish> people tend to get pissed that way
[11:58] <LaserJock> #ubuntu is about the only place you can't talk about edgy
[11:58] <tseng> people dont really get pissed
[11:58] <tseng> but you have to understand
[11:58] <tseng> if you let people ask anything you will be overwhelmed
[11:58] <tseng> its esp annoying when the topic clearly states so
[11:58] <tseng> and no one bothers to read
[11:59] <LaserJock> yeah, it's really hard to just have random questions, and then people get mad when they aren't answered within 2 minutes :-)
[11:59] <mc44> LaserJock: are those pics in gallium all the ones from kalzium?
[11:59] <LaserJock> mc44: sure
[11:59] <LaserJock> mc44: all the data is from kalzium
[12:00] <mc44> LaserJock: I might pull together a better collection from wikipedia, at least for the missing ones
[12:00] <LaserJock> mc44: that would be a nice contribution :-)
[12:01] <LaserJock> nemish: don't worry too much about it. Just remember to read the topic when you join a channel, usually there is a statement of what is on-topic for that channel
[12:02] <redguy> howdy LaserJock
[12:04] <redguy> LaserJock: is the packaging basics MOTU school lecture sheduled for tonight?
[12:04] <crimsun> tomorrow night.
[12:05] <micahcowan> or friday morning, depending on where you're located. :-)
[12:05] <crimsun> unless you're in au/nz
[12:05] <crimsun> in which case, yes, "tonight"
[12:05] <redguy> heh, it's tomorrow night then
[12:06] <redguy> any chance of rescheduling it to 04:00 UTC?
[12:06] <imbrandon> redguy: doubtfull as it has been announced already for a few days
[12:06] <imbrandon> redguy: but there will be logs
[12:06] <redguy> as one of the requests on the wiki says, it would allow more people to participate