=== Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] Is edubuntu going to take out the KDE Applications? [12:43] DaSkreech, not right now if you mean the KDEedu [12:43] ok [12:44] future is ahead of us, who knows what is brings :) [12:44] not right means at some point? [12:44] *cough* libburn *cough* :) [12:44] if we get a decent replacement, perhaps ^_^ [12:44] So there is a list of what need to be replaced? === mhz [n=mhz@148-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] DaSkreech, current KDEedu apps? :) [12:46] DaSkreech, it needs not a one for one [12:46] hey plotter mhz :) [12:46] So you can dump say Kstars with no replacement? [12:46] hi all === gtek_ [n=gtek@c-68-42-112-135.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] pygi: heheh === mhz is running otta battery (3 minutes)! [12:47] DaSkreech: if it would be the only one, probably [12:47] one couldn't drop Kalzium without replacement [12:47] That was next on my list :) [12:47] lucasvo, that's why you are writing replacement, bleh :P [12:47] DaSkreech: it's being replaced... [12:47] I haven't played with KPhysics yet so I don't know what it is like [12:48] DaSkreech: https://launchpad.net/products/gallium [12:51] This is to be easier on the libs or the menu? === mhz is reading meeting logs [12:53] ogra: just in case it can be done... cibercafes near my area open only from 17:30 UTC :( [12:53] and most meetings are held lot earlier than that :( [12:53] can next edubuntu meeting be held after 17:30 UTC ? [12:54] DaSkreech: why do you want to replace kdeedu? [12:56] I thought I just asked that question :) [12:57] I was under the impression that edubunut was going to be weeding out KDEedu [12:57] edubuntu [12:57] DaSkreech: yes, it is a goal... [12:57] With what aim? [12:57] DaSkreech: but the problem is, it includes writing several applications. [12:57] DaSkreech: Gaim has aim [12:58] DaSkreech, there is a gtk version of kstars, but more primitive [12:58] DaSkreech, more space on the cd [12:58] no kde lang packs [12:58] Ah. [12:58] Burgwork: not only on the cd [12:58] Edubuntu is hurting for space? [12:58] not having to load kde on the workstation is also a plus [12:58] DaSkreech: yes [12:58] very badly so [12:58] Hmm wasn't aware of that [12:59] And you have more apps that you are looking to include I'd guess [12:59] and langpacks [01:00] for gnome [01:01] yes [01:02] Whats the usage of space for the KDE packages? [01:02] between 20-100mb I think [01:02] I don't know exactly [01:03] plus kde libs which also take up space [01:04] how big are the lang packs that you are including? [01:05] DaSkreech: I think the gnome langpacks are about 8mb [01:05] :-) And no space for them huh? :) [01:06] the iso is about 597mb afaik [01:07] That's over 50 MB of free space [01:07] Over 100 for most distros [01:07] I mean, 691 [01:07] Ah. One digit off ;-) [01:07] yes [01:08] Yeah that does get iffier === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:48] I guess this pilot was a little bit too horny: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-19.html === trainpic [n=edward@dialup-4.252.225.215.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] anyone here? [02:06] anyone? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:07] I'm here, I suppose [02:07] OK I just have one question. [02:08] :P [02:08] Is there any hack for Edubuntu 6.06 to enable local media support? [02:10] not really that I know of [02:10] OK. I've just been looking around. [02:11] btw this is my first time on IRC [02:11] that's a spec for 6.10 [02:11] have you asked #ltsp [02:11] yeah, it is being worked on for 6.10 [02:11] but I'm not sure about 6.06 [02:12] ok. I know it works in the latest version of LTSP, but I have tried all the hacks on their website and none of them work. 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[04:46] hey greg [04:47] I have elementary-age child and do some sunday school projects with kids. May I ask, WHY EDUbuntu, vs. kubuntu or ubuntu? [04:50] becuase it is built for those people [04:50] it includes all the apps you need, plus a nice theme [04:50] for schools, it also includes LTSP [04:53] LTSP= Long Term SuPport? [04:53] no, Linux Terminal Server Project, thin clients [04:54] ah. k. thx [04:54] I'm fed up with SUSE and considering that I'm finally ready to join the cult of ubunutu :) [04:55] Just trying to decide on a distro. [04:55] ... flavor of ubuntu [04:59] I would use Edubuntu [04:59] it comes with all the same apps as Ubuntu, plus the educational ones === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [05:01] k. fair enough. thx [05:02] no worries [05:02] hey rodarvus === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@208-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:35] hi Burgundavia [05:36] rodarvus! [05:36] ajmitch: yes [05:36] hehe [05:36] hello :) [05:37] hello :) === ajmitch was going to talk to you about X after the meeting [05:37] except I went to sleep instead [05:37] hi everybody! [05:37] about time I go to sleep, by the way [05:37] but lets talk before I go :) [05:38] ok [05:39] ajmitch: meeting? [05:40] Burgundavia: hm? [05:40] distro meeting? [05:41] that's in ~12 hours, I think [05:41] !meeting [05:41] I know nothing about meeting - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [05:41] bah [05:46] now that's an idea [05:46] Burgundavia: right, I doubt I'll be awake when the distro meeting is on [05:50] !meeting-#edubuntu is Edubuntu meetings are (usually) held every week on Wednesdays at 12UTC in #ubuntu-meeting. Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda . All welcome! [05:50] I'll remember that [05:52] bimberi: except they alternate times ;-) [05:54] LaserJock: gah :) [05:55] LaserJock: what's the other time - i went by http://www.edubuntu.org/Community [05:55] ? [05:55] 20:00 I think [06:03] !meeting [06:03] Edubuntu meetings are (usually) held every week on Wednesdays in #ubuntu-meeting. Times alternate between 12UTC and 20UTC. Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda . All welcome! [06:10] bimberi: :) [06:11] Cornellius: hey, i aim to please ;) [06:12] dev team meeting is 11 hours away === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@62-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [06:51] Amaranth: can you pm me a one line summary of where your soc project is? [06:51] hmm [06:52] Amaranth: for the UWN [06:52] you can go to two lines if you wish [06:52] Burgundavia: Not really. :p [06:52] right, then tell me what you know [06:53] For a desktop it's nearly done, just needs some fine-tuning and polish. [06:53] I guess go with that === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Jul 8 12:25:38 2006 === #edubuntu [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Jul 8 12:25:38 2006 === EmxBA [n=emx@SE400.PPPoE-3161.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] hi folks ;) === JoergD [n=joerg@ACB1CDA9.ipt.aol.com] has joined #edubuntu [11:14] ogra: ping === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [11:27] RichEd, pong [11:28] hi ... i popped in last night to join the meeting which i thought was in the evening ... ZA was off on a National Holiday [11:28] dont worry, we all forgot about it ... [11:28] i saw the conversation thread :) [11:28] we started it 40 mins late :) [11:29] and it wnet less than 30 mins [11:29] *went [11:29] i'll check out the logs to catch up [11:30] i'm going to send you a quick mail in the next 5 mins re Eric Harrison etc = needs 1 minute x 3 for a response for when you next have a smoke & cup of coffee please [11:30] ta :) [11:31] i'll meet him in september btw [11:31] we'll meet at a ltsp hack session in michigan [11:31] (sept 14 to 19) [11:32] that's the sort of stuff i'm asking about ... gotta link to the above ? [11:32] nope [11:32] it may be a good plan to join you & him and do a 3 way ;) [11:32] its privately organized by sbalneav and jammcq from ltsp.org [11:33] redhat and probably debian guys will also be there [11:33] s we can work on the new upstream code of ltsp [11:33] *so [11:33] excellent ... ties up at least 4 ways then ... leave comments for the email ... will let you know when i have sent it [11:33] yup === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:40] sent ogra ... tx. [11:40] hi cbx33 [11:40] owe you some responses soon :) [11:40] hi RichEd [11:41] quickie cbx33 : if we aren't going to get a Canonical stand at BETT is there anyone else who might allow you to piggyback off their location ? [11:42] silbs mentioned the .org areas that exist in many large conferences [11:42] hmm [11:42] there are no such things at BETT [11:43] BETT are stingy [11:43] I asked if there were discounts for opensource projects [11:43] could you check with the organisers if there are any other FOSS stands ... there may be some general FOSS or left wing socialist type missionaries with stands who would be happy for support ? [11:44] I will ask [11:44] tx. [11:44] there was the FSF there last year [11:45] anyone anygood with screen casting? [11:45] I have an mpeg and an mp3 [11:45] i need to combine together to form a video that will run on a windows system in windows media player [11:47] cbx33, why not take byzanz and create a big gif ? thats 100% platform independent [11:48] this is an 800x600 screen cast [11:48] with an mp3 audio track [11:49] byzanz does 800x600 without problem ... but the sound is indeed a prob === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-159.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === ryan_naruto [n=ryan@203.87.200.214] has joined #edubuntu [01:05] RichEd, answer on its way ... [01:05] thanks ogra [01:06] i ope i wasnt to noisy :) [01:06] *hope === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [01:12] opening now ... will let you know [01:12] :) [01:15] argh .. i made a big mistake in the cd handling code ... now i know why my thin client dies after 20min ... *sigh* dont open 65000 files in a row with only 128M main memory , thats evil :) [01:16] thanks ogra ... good comments ... i'll send a short response with one more question / point of view in a little bit. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] hey willvdl, welcome aboard :) [02:15] Hi there, thanks. [02:16] hey willvdl! [02:17] hi will ... greetings all the way from rondebosch [02:17] Hi folks. Greetings all the way from Durbanville (this time) [02:17] rodarvus & ogra & I had a chat around the email I forwarded to you yesterday ... all pretty much on the same page [02:18] Yip, went through that. Thanks [02:18] we're going to work on a schedule something like: [02:18] 1) combined status update by end of Monday [02:18] 2) tuesday to scan through [02:19] 3) meet on IRC in #canonical-meeting on Wednesday [02:19] this is for the core educational team = canonical employees [02:19] there is a general edubuntu meeting each wed ... community et al [02:19] we'll meet before that one [02:20] Yeah, I just noticed that. Was yesterday so I noticed it a bit too late [02:20] so i take it you've found the fridge events :) [02:22] Yes. It's also mentioned in the title above which should have tipped me off first :| [02:23] f.y.i. general edubuntu meeting each wed is in #ubuntu-meeting [02:23] there are logs available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ [02:23] willvdl, there should also be minutes for each meeting [02:23] but I've been a little busy to write them the last two weeks [02:24] yesterdays meetin notes should be there by the end of the day [02:24] great. I'm scanning through old logs so that I don't revisit anything unnecessarily [02:25] and also general logs at: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [02:28] The latter should make good bed-time reading [02:29] heh [02:30] we got another lead from Africa yesterday via OEM & Support : Company has a government contract for 100 PCs for a youth project in Angola [02:31] They're going to phone him today, and get an email addresa across to me. [02:31] ogra: have we done anything in Portugese yet ? [02:32] RichEd, did you get my second dodgy email :p? [02:32] RichEd, ubuntu/edubuntu supports 90 languages, so i'd assume yes :) [02:32] I wish I could get my LEA to consider edubuntu [02:33] they are so bloody minded [02:33] totally pro MS [02:33] cbx33: the one from Cameroon ? [02:33] RichEd, to test the pt_BR stuff rodarvus is a better bet though :) [02:33] possibly :p [02:34] ok grasynco has had some much needed attention [02:34] it still won't do edubuntu yet [02:34] because we have diffenrent isos [02:34] that's a fix I'll release soon [02:34] but it should do ubuntu/kubuntu [02:34] ogar: pt_BR < does this mean portugese Brazilian ? [02:35] RichEd, ogra, willvdl: feel free to redirect any pt_BR enquiries to me [02:35] cbx33, heh, as opposed to the original script that only does edubuntu :) [02:35] RichEd, yes [02:35] RichEd, yep [02:35] brazilian portuguese [02:35] ugh [02:35] ogra, yes [02:35] feel free to redirect any *pt* enquiries to me [02:35] hehehe [02:35] (not only pt_BR) [02:35] everyone hear the latest sounds? [02:35] the two first letters are always the language, the two big ones are the dialect ... [02:35] wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds [02:36] I'm going to try to get out new music teacher when they arrive to consider ubuntu/edubuntu for their music pcs [02:36] i.e. there are de_DE or de_CH or de_AT .... all germany, but different countries [02:36] *german [02:36] cos it's so bloody great doing Music and studio work on ubuntu :D [02:36] (and dialects) [02:36] okay, we're dealing with Angolan Portugese which is in my guess closer to Mocambiquen Portugese ... but should have a pretty comon base set with Brazilian Portugese === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] cbx33: the language in the Cameroon mail may sound dodgy to you, but bear in mind that the guy thinks in a local African dialect, speaks in French and then needs to write in English three diffferent grammar constructions, never mind word translations ! [02:39] RichEd, I didn't mean it that way [02:39] I'm not taking the mick, I mean dodgy in that, why do people keep sending these messages to me :p [02:40] and probably used Babelfish for his translation [02:40] not making any point ... just pointing out the unusual circumstances of the darkest continent :) [02:41] ogra: de_CH is short for swiss german ... now that's intuitive ;) [02:41] Silly question but how does one maintain the various of Portugues and Spanish? Meaning, when it comes to Mozam or Angola etc.? [02:41] RichEd, angolan portuguese is quite understandable for brazilians [02:41] (its closer to us than portugal portuguese) [02:42] good to know rodarvus : i'll forward on this snippet of info to Hande & cc you in. there may be a need for local language conversation and you could assist. [02:42] willvdl, we have language packs for most of them ... the translator teams in launchpad care more or less for the contents [02:43] indeed there mya be dialects we dont cover in their own langpack [02:43] *may [02:43] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=language-support&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all [02:44] ogra, so are there pretty strong translation teams for the various African countries? [02:44] has a packagelist [02:45] RichEd, nice [02:46] willvdl, https://launchpad.net/rosetta has an overview (i never use it so i cant give you much hints) [02:47] I have. Did some Afrikaans translation for FreedomToaster. At least I stopped when it reached the Creative Commons license description. [02:48] well, translating license text should be left to lawyers ;) [02:55] ah. Points for Brazil there. === willvdl wonder why there's no Argentinian pack [02:59] rodarvus: what's the mother tongue in Argentina ? Spanish ? [02:59] yes [02:59] It can be quite different at the best of times though [02:59] it has some small differences from the spanish spoken in Spain, but probably is even closer to it than brazilian portuguese to portugal portuguese [03:00] rodarvus: I'll send you the MoU for Thailand today. please keep confidential. [03:00] RichEd, sure, thanks! [03:00] I think spelling wise is very similar but certainly sounds very different :) [03:00] rodarvus: please review & add comments ... add to your actions for Monday. we'll need to get a project plan up & going next week [03:01] *nods* [03:08] ogra: sent a response to your response re US meet [03:09] yep, i'll get to it .... busy preparing for the meeting [03:09] ogra: where do i find major events canonical calendar (not on the fridge) like sprint & allhands etc. [03:09] ( not rushing you :) [03:10] hmm, it used to be somewhere on the canonical wiki [03:10] but i suspect its all moved into that horrible new system [03:10] okay will look ... btw do you attend kubuntu IRC meets ? [03:11] rarely [03:11] only if i'm very very bored [03:11] :) [03:12] apart from kdeedu i dont go near any KDE software ... [03:12] and you'd need several horses to drag me there :) [03:22] hmm, no highvoltage today ? === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] ogra, i havn't seen him for a while [03:32] he owns a spec that needs to be reassigned :/ [03:32] oh [03:32] i wanted to have that done before the meeting today [03:33] but well, then it has to wait [03:35] :( [03:35] what spec is that? [03:35] just outta interest [03:36] the xfce stuff [03:36] maybe I'm able to reassign it? [03:36] ahhh [03:36] let me try [03:37] ogra, its yours :D [03:37] yay, thanks :) === ogra adds it to the dev report then :) === willvdl [n=willvdl@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [04:17] RichEd, if you dont mind, come over to #ltsp, jammcq (jim mcquillian) would like to hear about ubuntu dinners ;) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] Monring all === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.29.194.76] has joined #edubuntu [04:57] ogra: ping for a yes / no answer [04:58] pong, eve a longer one ... mdz seems not around yet in -meeting [04:58] *even [04:59] did eric ever meet JaneW (i'm busy with an intro email) that's the Y : N [04:59] i think so, she started in sydney iirc ... [04:59] he was in sydney and in montreal [04:59] and if you have a sec more, what's Eric's IRC nic in #edubuntu etc. [04:59] eHarrison iirc [04:59] with the capital H [05:00] but he's not in #edubuntu [05:00] you'll see him from time to time in #ltsp [05:00] okay is it dan_young who pops into#edubuntu [05:00] yep [05:00] and what does he nick by ? [05:00] he also writes on the ML [05:00] dan_young :) [05:00] ahhhh cyptic ;) [05:01] cryptic even [05:01] heh [05:01] he also writes on the ML <- edubuntu-devel or edubuntu-users ? [05:01] well, until recently we only had -devel [05:02] i dont remember, but i suspect it wa -devel [05:02] *was [05:02] okay ... will check out archives for some background [05:02] he does tech support ... [05:03] i will also post to k12osn volunteering to take on questions regarding edubuntu ... will ask eric first (for politeness) and will work out how to route these [05:03] point them also to the edubuntu lists ... [05:03] at the moment, the questions/bugs are in the list, but no-one defiante to help ... it will be a good relationship point to start showing some responsibility [05:03] they could bear some more traffic [05:04] ogra: You know, one thing that Gnome needs is a way to select YOUR default printer, i.e., set $LPDEST somehow, as opposed to the printing panel which actually sets the CUPS default printer. [05:04] yes, i'll do the one-on-one to get a idea of what is happeing & to be friendly, and then start making some routing sugestions [05:04] Where I work, we have several printers per server, and one thing Gnome could use is an easy way for people to set their individual printer preference. [05:04] sbalneav, i'm not sure gnome-cups-manager doesnt do that already [05:04] (i have no printers around atm) [05:05] if i build up a slow steady list conversation, then it may make others on the list curious enough to investigate & evaluate [05:05] and then aim for a edubuntu help page hosted in k12ltsp [05:05] (softly softly catch etc ...) [05:05] yep [05:06] okay ... will leave you to meet or code ... as you see fit :) [05:06] whats urgently needed is a forum ... many users dont lie mailing lists but go to forums [05:06] *like [05:06] the prob is that developers usually are the opposite way (me included) [05:06] yep ... have a plan for that ... need to make sure we HOST a PEER-to-PEER forum [05:07] and not get sucked into a WE'LL ANSWER your questions resource drain [05:07] PEER-to-PEER ? [05:07] you mean a forum gateway to the ML ? [05:07] as in teacher helping a teacher ... [05:07] that gets very fast very ugly [05:08] oh, ok [05:08] i.e. we help the proactive teacher who has a techie bent ... [05:08] but that proactive teacher gets kicks out of helping other teachers [05:09] (will need some moderation) [05:09] RichEd, I hope you find some teachers like that :p [05:09] yeah :) [05:09] these are very very *very* rare === RichEd will find a way [05:11] i've seen it working with small business owners discussing & sharing problems [05:11] teachers time is VERY limitied [05:11] my assumptions: [05:11] 1) they need to feel comfortable within their own community [05:12] 2) they need to save as much time as they give [05:12] i.e. find solutions from others as well as give solutions to others [05:13] in my experience, teachers want everything done for them [05:13] the big prob there is that they wont give solutions, but workarounds [05:13] they are very very difficult to work with [05:13] There are some interesting movement on peer models in the south african education arena [05:13] you need a tech guy to monitor and tell good advice from bad one [05:13] indeed [05:13] that's my job :p [05:14] Telecentres.org is also centered round collaborative learning [05:14] we have that problem with the ubuntuforums ... where you will find the worst workarounds ever [05:15] cbx33, fschoep is talking about sound themes in -meeting :) [05:16] here's a cut & paste from a respected FOSS advocate in Australia: [05:16] We need pedagogical arguments to increase FOSS take up, rather than a [05:17] focus on price or freedom. We need to make the case that FOSS gives [05:17] teachers more tools to enhance the educational opportunities of their [05:17] students. We need to foster peer-to-peer collaboration, and support [05:17] teacher networks, encouraging them to harness the resources around them [05:17] to teach themselves about Free Software. A local Moodle group is a good [05:17] example of this. [05:17] many of the same points we speak about [05:17] TSF is investing heavily in the same area peer-collaboration [05:17] one of us must come up with a winner we can all emulate soon === RichEd has faith [05:18] faith can move mountains [05:18] (she's a big girl) [05:18] RichEd, thats about conten stuff ... i meant the technical problems ... [05:18] *content [05:19] for content a teacher driven support it perfectly fine [05:19] *is [05:19] a small business person helping another small business person with say a tax question is not that different ? [05:19] tax is a specialised technical field [05:20]