[12:11] <toma> Riddell: thnxs
[12:28] <imbrandon> Riddell: mdz ok'd the UVF pending your ACK 
[12:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: cool, I'll try and upload that later this evening
[12:29] <imbrandon> kk ( he commented on the bug if your looking for it, no reply to email )
[12:35] <nixternal> imbrandon: have you been building konversation nightlies still, or are you kind of waiting for it to be somewhat "Late breaking" ;)
[12:36] <imbrandon> dapper i have, edgy it as FTBFS last i looked, i'll look again soon
[12:36] <imbrandon> soon [12:36] <nixternal> hmm..i haven't seen the updates
[12:36] <imbrandon> i might need to sync the packages
[12:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:36] <nixternal> ok
[12:36] <imbrandon> err sync the pool
[12:36] <nixternal> anything new?  you know what im lookin' for ;)
[12:36] <imbrandon> not anything your wanting hehe
[12:36] <nixternal> arg
[12:36] <imbrandon> that wont hit the 0.19 series
[12:36] <imbrandon> it will hit 2.0
[12:37] <imbrandon> err 0.20
[12:37] <nixternal> i thought he said it will be out this month?
[12:37] <nixternal> sho that is
[12:37] <imbrandon> yea it will but in 0.20 , they are trying to get it out for edgy ( before sept 7th )
[12:37] <imbrandon> look at there schedule iot explains it ;)
[12:37] <nixternal> guess i will wait a little longer ;)
[12:38] <nixternal> have you tried kvirc?
[12:38] <imbrandon> not since i did the merge for it, and then was only to make sure it "worked"
[12:38] <imbrandon> i dont realy like the UI of it
[12:38] <nixternal> same here, but it is an IRC client on steroids
[12:39] <nixternal> you can customise the ui of course, but the work involved in that is greater then install bsd w/o a monitor
[12:39] <imbrandon> yea it takes as long as kdelibs to complie , heh just kidding but serouisly it takes a LONG time for an irc client to compile
[12:40] <nixternal> since i got you here imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu is darn close to done
[12:40] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: they are on a Ubuntu cycle?
[12:40] <nixternal> what is up with getting a release page for it on Kubuntu.org?
[12:40] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yea
[12:40] <imbrandon> nixternal: thats Riddell department
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Hee hee so KDE is following gnome :)
[12:40] <nixternal> figures ;)
[12:40] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: no konversation not all of KDE
[12:41] <DaSkreech> Well it's a start 
[12:43] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Release_Schedule  .... quote " Bar any unforseen blockers, release Konversation 0.20. This puts us a week before the scheduled Kubuntu Edgy feature freeze, giving them time to package. "
[12:43] <DaSkreech> I love the power of community :)
[12:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: they are?
[12:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: how is KDE following gnome?
[12:44] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ridiculous extrapolation :)
[12:44] <imbrandon> hrm brb food time
[12:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: and FYI afaik ubuntu's release was scheduled arround gnome not the other way arround
[12:45] <imbrandon> anyhow afk a few
[12:46] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: That's the point
[12:48] <allee> Anyone using kdevelop?  In dapper when I create a new project I only get 'custom' aka empty license template. not GPL LGPL etc
[12:49] <allee> templates are in /usr/share/apps/kdevelop3/licenses  (but afaiu new projects are created by kdevappwizard
[12:53] <Riddell> I wish kate would stop crashing
[12:57] <DaSkreech> take away the keys
[01:00] <Riddell> hmm?
[01:01] <imbrandon> heh just cuz you rock in getting kubuntu together , no reason , i was just mouthin off really
[01:01] <imbrandon> lol
[01:01] <Riddell> spookyly enough I was just talking to my girlfriend about holidays 
[01:01] <imbrandon> hahaha 
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Riddellday
[01:02] <imbrandon> i dunno about kate ( dont use it much ) but if kmail would stop crashing i would kiss the person that fixed it ( not really )
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm mightypea brings up an interesting point
[01:03] <imbrandon> actuly i think its the way it handles imap, becouse if i set my mailboxes up as pop it dosent crash
[01:03] <DaSkreech> can You have it so that customizing the live CD session makes that the default for kubuntu once you hit install
[01:04] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: there are ways of doing that, its not point and click though
[01:04] <imbrandon> i made a custom cd that installs the defaults i added ( not distrubuted though as it has w32codecs and lots of other stuff )
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Yeah would be nice if it was a checkbox option in install. Would you like a) default b) your current desktop as the settings when installed?
[01:05] <imbrandon> i use it for me and my family ( and some few at my lug ) actualy its a dvd becouse i added alot
[01:05] <imbrandon> and replaced oo.o with koofice and lots of stuff actualy
[01:05] <imbrandon> lol
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Well This would be cooler
[01:06] <DaSkreech>  You could have one CD then go to someone's house play around with it till you get it to the point where they are wowed then click and there it is. Exactly they way they liked it
[01:06] <imbrandon> write a spec / bug / whatever and poke the ubiguity devs
[01:06] <imbrandon> get it going then ;)
[01:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:07] <Riddell> we can't touch w32codecs
[01:08] <Riddell> CD customisations can also be done with casper-cow
[01:08] <Riddell> i.e. using a USB stick to keep your changes
[01:08] <DaSkreech> Riddell: This is for install
[01:08] <DaSkreech> not across sessions. Though that is welcome as well
[01:09] <DaSkreech>  Yep Edubuntu is dumping KDE 
[01:09] <imbrandon> yea i mostly made it for my little brother so he could put my custom kubuntu cd in the drive and hit install and it installs all that "extra" stuff we cant do legaly
[01:09] <allee> heh, nice quite some pkgs from dapper-{updates,security} have higher version that the edgy one :(
[01:09] <imbrandon> ouch
[01:09] <imbrandon> thats not good
[01:09] <DaSkreech> As long as they are tested
[01:09] <allee> yeah. pmount, firefox ..
[01:10] <imbrandon> allee: they dont use ~ ?
[01:10] <allee> imbrandon: no
[01:10] <imbrandon> heh wonderfull
[01:10] <imbrandon> tats gonna be a nightmare later if we dont fix it up now
[01:10] <Riddell> allee: file bugs
[01:10] <Riddell> no kubuntu packages should be like that anyway :)
[01:10] <allee> I've both dapper and edgy in sources.list for easy apt-cache policy etc
[01:11] <imbrandon> hehe ;)
[01:11] <DaSkreech> Hmm whats up with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20125?
[01:11] <allee> Riddell: sorry to disappoint you kubuntu-docs is one ;)
[01:11] <DaSkreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20125 ?
[01:12] <Riddell> allee: fooey 
[01:12] <Riddell> allee: I've been putting off updating that
[01:12] <imbrandon> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 <--- you have the laptop stuff in your xorg.conf
[01:12] <allee> Debian dak refuses to accept those in the archive
[01:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: it just means something is trying to draw or access an X object that doesn't exist
[01:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's annoying buy harmless
[01:13] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ^^
[01:14] <Riddell> allee: refuses ~ package?  it should accept those now
[01:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea its caused by ther are 3 pointer devices in the default xorg.conf that arent used by most computers
[01:14] <imbrandon> like the touchpad , eraser mouse etc
[01:14] <DaSkreech> I'm concenred that a simple apt-get should throw that many errors though
[01:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: right
[01:14] <Riddell> apt-get shouldn't, it doesn't use X
[01:14] <allee> Riddell: not the '~'.  It was annouced today that '~' is okay now.
[01:14] <Riddell> unless you have debconf setup to use X I guess
[01:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: those xerrors will throw from any gui app rin from console, as Riddell said harmless but annoying
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know. But .. this is apt-get
[01:15] <allee> Riddell: I mean you can upload anything to sarge-proposed-updates with a version higher/lower than unstable/stable
[01:15] <DaSkreech> I don't have a laptop thing
[01:15] <DaSkreech>  I do have wacom though :(
[01:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yea i dunno why its wanting x
[01:15] <Riddell> allee: clever
[01:15] <DaSkreech> Oh wait those are the laptop things :-P
[01:15] <Riddell> ok, who wants to test somethnig fun?
[01:16] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure wasup ?
[01:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: are you sure?  this is going to be very exciting...
[01:16] <DaSkreech> dang kate won't comment :(
[01:16] <imbrandon> hahaha Riddell as long as i dont have to reboot i'm game
[01:16] <DaSkreech> sudo rm -rf / ?
[01:16] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda
[01:16] <Riddell> announcing, our new power manager!  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/
[01:17] <imbrandon> cool , it dont have to be used on a lappy ?
[01:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: it won't do much on a non-laptop but it needs testing still to make sure it successfully doesn't do much
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh ok
[01:17] <Riddell> also it needs gnome-power-manager installed for now (just for the icons)
[01:18] <Riddell> actually you might well be able to hibernate/suspend from a non-laptop
[01:19] <imbrandon> k grabbing now
[01:20] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/pm/powermanager$ python guidance-power-manager.py
[01:20] <imbrandon> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:20] <imbrandon>   File "guidance-power-manager.py", line 37, in ?
[01:20] <imbrandon>     import dbus
[01:20] <imbrandon> ImportError: No module named dbus
[01:21] <Riddell> you'll be wanting python2.4-dbus
[01:21] <imbrandon> kk
[01:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/124319
[01:25] <imbrandon> this is on a non-laptop, later this evening i can grab my iBook and test on a lappy too ( dunno how it will work on an apple laptop )
[01:27] <Riddell> strange, it thinks you have a pluggable AC adaptor
[01:27] <imbrandon> heh
[01:27] <imbrandon> does it matter that on this computer i have to disable acpi to boot
[01:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: ok, grab http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py again 
[01:28] <imbrandon> k
[01:30] <imbrandon> woot ok its running now, no icon in the try ( and yea i installed gnome-power-manager
[01:30] <imbrandon> ) but its running , will test a little more
[01:30] <imbrandon> s/try/tray
[01:30] <imbrandon> just an empty spot where the icon should be
[01:30] <Riddell> and if you click on it?
[01:30] <imbrandon> yup
[01:30] <imbrandon> the gui comes up
[01:30] <Riddell> groovy
[01:31] <Riddell> do you have /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/battery-charged.png?
[01:31] <imbrandon> one sec, saving a ss then i'll look
[01:32] <ryanakca> if there are 2 bugs that are the same (duplicates), can I mark one as a duplicate, and confirm the other? Since 2 people have the same bug? example: bug 51070  and  bug 52217
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51070 in kdepim "crashes on exit" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51070
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52217 in kdepim "Kontact crash when quit" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52217
[01:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, please do
[01:33] <imbrandon> Riddell: no the only thing in that directy are 4 .glade files
[01:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, ty... just wondering... after that motu-school course on bug triaging, the instructor had said it depended on the bug :)
[01:34] <imbrandon> Riddell:  http://imbrandon.sytes.net/pm1.png
[01:34] <imbrandon> the area between amarok and the clock is where i can click 
[01:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: you just have to be sure they are the same bug
[01:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: ah, it's all changed in edgy
[01:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: from what I can see, they are... only thing different is the numbers in the debugging output,  like the "0xb7066eb9" in #12 0xb7066eb9 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[01:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'm on edgy 
[01:36] <imbrandon> ohhh nvm read that wrong
[01:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: put http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/gnome-power-manager.tar.gz  into /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/
[01:37] <imbrandon> k
[01:37] <Riddell> the contents of that tar that is
[01:37] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[01:40] <imbrandon> yup that works 
[01:40] <imbrandon> looks like my osx icon on my lappy ;)
[01:40] <Riddell> aren't os x icons black and white?
[01:40] <imbrandon> sometimes, you can choose
[01:40] <imbrandon> default they are ya
[01:41] <imbrandon> does the gui in that screen shot look like it should ?
[01:41] <imbrandon> as in the greyed out selections
[01:42] <Riddell> imbrandon: it seems to think you have a battery but no brightness control
[01:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:42] <Riddell> imbrandon: what does lshal | grep battery  give you?
[01:42] <imbrandon> any output from something else i can give you ?
[01:42] <imbrandon> one sec
[01:43] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/pm/powermanager$ lshal | grep battery
[01:43] <imbrandon> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/apm_battery'
[01:43] <imbrandon>   info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/apm_battery'  (string)
[01:43] <imbrandon>   battery.present = false  (bool)
[01:43] <imbrandon>   info.capabilities = {'battery'} (string list)
[01:43] <imbrandon>   info.category = 'battery'  (string)
[01:43] <imbrandon>   battery.type = 'primary'  (string)
[01:44] <imbrandon> note like i said on this computer acpi has to be disabled , that screw with some PM stuff from what i've read , dunno how or even exactly what it does
[01:44] <imbrandon> but i boot with acpi=off kernel parm
[01:46] <Riddell> curious
[01:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: if you run gnome-power-manager does that show up?
[01:46] <imbrandon> umm dunno lemme try
[01:47] <imbrandon> g-p-m wont run , well dosent look it is
[01:47] <imbrandon> no error either though
[01:48] <imbrandon> yea nothing
[01:48] <imbrandon> no icon , no gui , no error
[01:49] <Riddell> what does  lshal | grep ac_adapter  give you?
[01:49] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/pm/powermanager$ lshal | grep ac_adapter
[01:49] <imbrandon> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/apm_ac_adapter'
[01:49] <imbrandon>   info.udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/apm_ac_adapter'  (string)
[01:49] <imbrandon>   ac_adapter.present = true  (bool)
[01:49] <imbrandon>   info.capabilities = {'ac_adapter'} (string list)
[01:49] <imbrandon>   info.category = 'ac_adapter'  (string)
[01:49] <Riddell> so I wonder how gnome-power-manager knows not to show itself
[01:50] <imbrandon> hrm ps ax shows it running
[01:50] <imbrandon> though
[01:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/pm/powermanager$ ps ax|grep power
[01:51] <imbrandon>  2870 ?        Ss     0:00 gnome-power-manager
[01:52] <imbrandon> brb one sec, gonna refill my mt dew
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: this gives me a pretty large diff.   diff -urN current/ktorrent-1.2/debian/ ktorrent-2.0/debian/
[01:53] <Riddell> you even changed the Maintainer field
[01:53] <Riddell> please re-package against the current version
[01:57] <imbrandon> k back
[01:57] <imbrandon> kk
[03:10] <DaSkreech> hi@Hobbsee
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech :)
[03:11] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i'm okay.  mum didnt hack into me today, like she has for the past month or so :)
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Mi mum's on vacation for a month so she's going to get pretty mellow over the next few days
[03:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:16] <freeflying> morning all
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying 
[03:19] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hey
[03:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: my merge has been done..well actually requested a sync ;)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yay.  did you get a MOTU to ack it?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and this was kflickr?
[03:45] <nixternal> imbrandon did
[03:45] <nixternal> yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: were the md5sums of the debian and ubuntu tarballs the same?
[03:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yes
[03:46] <nixternal> yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> oh cool
[03:48] <imbrandon> well i think the debian maintainer used the ubuntu version in this case
[03:49] <imbrandon> heh
[03:54] <nixternal> hobbsee, i had to do all my mailing list stuff yesterday or the day b4 after changing email address..it wasn't fun
[03:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh.  you can set the change of email address, you know
[03:56] <nixternal> ya, and that broke everything for me
[03:56] <Hobbsee> what suprises me is that i'm still getting stuff from all the other lists - just not that one.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> and i'm still getting all the bugmail, which is nice :)
[04:50] <nixternal> http://ubuntu-ca.org/official-desktop-happy-corey.png
[04:52] <nixternal> rofl
[04:52] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:52] <nixternal> hahah
[04:52] <ajmitch> should nixternal be booted for trolling? :)
[04:52] <nixternal> NOOOO
[04:53] <nixternal> ;p
[04:53] <nixternal> actually, i was hoping Hobbsee was around for that one
[04:54] <Burgundavia> nixternal: she would likely rag me for it
[04:54] <nixternal> oh, she would chase me with a pointy stick, guaranteed
[04:54] <ajmitch> she's far too nice to do that :)
[04:54] <nixternal> hehe, im not falling for that one ;)
[05:40] <imbrandon> omg someone is gonna make me bust out inkscape and make a KDE one
[05:46] <nixternal> muhahah
[05:46] <nixternal> do eeet
[05:47] <Burgundavia> sadly, my 3x5 banner is bigger than yours ;)
[06:10] <freeflying_> imbrando1: ping
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:57] <poningru> bwhahaha
[06:57] <imbrandon> heya freeflying_
[06:58] <imbrandon> wasup?
[09:13] (nixternal/#kubuntu-devel) there is an index.desktop file that translate the name of the theme i guess
[09:14] (nixternal/#kubuntu-devel) some of the translations though i can keep, as they are easily translated
[09:14] <nixternal>  /usr/share/apps/konversation/themes
[09:14] <nixternal> pick on, there is an index.desktop file in there to take a peak at
[09:19] <imbrando1> i'm still not sure what your trying to do , or what your asking me
[09:34] <nixternal> http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=5789
[09:34] <nixternal> that is classic right there, and people wonder why us Linux people are cool
[10:09] <nixternal> -- Start of Hobbsee (see, more than 24 hours before the meeting!)      ;)   where is that pointy stick?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe.  i've hidden it :P
[10:10] <nixternal> i need to add an agenda for future "knot release" information as well
[10:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: shoot :)
[10:11] <seaLne> is kde supposed to be broken in edgy?
[10:12] <nixternal> it isn't broken here
[10:12] <nixternal> that i can notice
[10:12] <seaLne> kdesktop kdm and konqueror
[10:13] <seaLne> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/124857
[10:14] <Hobbsee> seaLne: dodgy mirror.
[10:14] <Hobbsee> all fine here.
[10:15] <seaLne> you have kcontrol 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: er, nope?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: apt-cache policy kcontrol?
[10:16] <seaLne> konqueror depends on ubuntu5 of kcontrol and kdesktop
[10:16] <Hobbsee> seaLne: when did those packages come thru?
[10:17] <seaLne> accepted 1230 yesterday
[10:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay
[10:18] <seaLne> where are the build info again?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: launchpad.net/buildds?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it's off the main LP pages, anyway
[10:19] <Hobbsee> or look it up via source package
[10:19] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5
[10:20] <seaLne> hmm got them now
[10:20] <Hobbsee> seaLne: must just be hitting the archives or something
[10:21] <seaLne> repeated attempts at apt foo seem to have sorted it maybe bad timing
[10:22] <seaLne> weird that it took till some point overnight for me to get them as it says they were  built yesterday afternoon
[10:23] <Hobbsee> seaLne: exactly.  maybe just as weird that the gb mirrors dont seem to have them
[10:23] <Hobbsee> and htey're not hte mirrors, iirc
[10:24] <seaLne> all of archive.u.c are mirrors they get pushed to afaik
[10:26] <Hobbsee> likely
[10:26] <seaLne> heh
[10:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:59] <omeow> Hobbsee, have you tried the latest konversation build yet?
[10:59] <omeow> Oh wait.. there still aren't nightlies for konvi on edgy, are there?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> omeow: no, i havent.  i dont think so.  poke imbrandon 
[10:59] <Hobbsee> omeow: what's in it?
[10:59] <omeow> Why don't you try building it yourself? 
[11:00] <omeow> Well, the kickban command for one. Resizable font on the tab bar.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> omeow: mainly cos i cant be bothered :P
[11:00] <Hobbsee> omeow: nice!
[11:01] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i added a brief "knot release" agenda for tomorrows meeting..give it a looksy and make sure it is ok ;) ty
[11:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice.
[11:02] <nixternal> kool
[11:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you see sabdfl's stuff on planet?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> was interesting - the definitions of edgy, etc
[11:02] <nixternal> yes i did
[11:05] <rob> on aug 06?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> rob: sounds about right
[11:06] <rob> heh cool
[11:06] <rob> my blog was mentioned in that
[11:07] <Hobbsee> rob: nice1
[11:08] <rob> yeah, Dapper felt pretty "edgy" for most
[11:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does that powermanager stuff requrie testing, or something?
[11:12] <seaLne> hmm 9x ~500K/s downloads from release and cdimage :)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: nice :)
[11:16] <nixternal> ok, is it me, or am i going crazy...if you goto KDE Help Center, and want to search something, is it impossible?  like you can't click the "Search" button because it is grayed out?
[11:16] <nixternal> kde 3.5.4 here on dapper btw
[11:16] <seaLne> type something!
[11:16] <nixternal> i did
[11:16] <nixternal> heh
[11:17] <nixternal> you have to select "All" under "Scope selection"
[11:17] <seaLne> ah maybe i had at some point
[11:18] <seaLne> i wonder if that is something that can be enabled by default
[11:18] <nixternal> im wondering if it is possible to search more than man pages
[11:22] <nixternal> see you all in about 7 hours ;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> night nixternal 
[11:29] <Hobbsee> 7 hours?  heh
[11:29] <Hobbsee> meeting's not that early
[11:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes pleas
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: compile, then test, or whta?
[11:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: download, run
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  run how?
[11:33] <Riddell> it's python, no compiling
[11:33] <Riddell> python guidance-power-manager.py
[11:53] <Hobbsee> yay.  more meetings
[12:00] <Riddell> mornfall: Fedora doesn't split xine?
[12:00] <mornfall> no idea
[12:00] <mornfall> how split?
[12:00] <Riddell> mornfall: to split out mp3
[12:01] <Riddell> seems they don't ship xine so they had to add back the not-yet-finished gstreamer plugin in amarok
[12:01] <mornfall> we don't ship amarok
[12:02] <mornfall> and neither xine
[12:02] <Riddell> bummer
[12:02] <mornfall> amarok is in fedora extras, but not xine
[12:02] <mornfall> so yeah, probably using gst
[12:02] <mornfall> there's livna for that anyway
[12:03] <mornfall> (which ships xine with mp3 support)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: testing out power manager.  well, grabbing it to test
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why nervous?
[12:30] <Riddell> because if it formats your hard disk I'll be in trouble
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  should i backup before this?
[12:31] <Riddell> no
[12:31] <Riddell> it'll all be fine
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and what, i run....
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ./guidance_power_manager_ui.py presumably
[12:34] <Riddell> yes
[12:34] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/guidancepowermanager$ ./guidance_power_manager_ui.py
[12:34] <Hobbsee> from: can't read /var/mail/qt
[12:34] <Hobbsee> from: can't read /var/mail/kdecore
[12:34] <Hobbsee> from: can't read /var/mail/kdeui
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ./guidance_power_manager_ui.py: line 18: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ./guidance_power_manager_ui.py: line 18: `class GuidancePowerManagerUI(QDialog):'
[12:35] <Hobbsee> but, if i run guidance-power-manager.py i get a pretty blank box, which contains interesting power-management-like bits
[12:35] <Riddell> and if you click on it?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> sorry, if i click on it, then it shows the lovely dialog about screen brightening, etc
[12:36] <Hobbsee> called guidance power manager
[12:36] <Hobbsee> it has no icon though.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> mains power brightness works :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> same with the battery
[12:37] <Hobbsee> power
[12:37] <Riddell> rocking
[12:37] <Hobbsee> there's a right click suspend/hibernate too.
[12:38] <Riddell> you can put the contents of this into /usr/share/gnome-power-manager to get the icons http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/gnome-power-manager.tar.gz
[12:40] <Hobbsee> ahhh :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there's a bug in the tooltip, it doesnt show up
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there's stuff in the terminal about it
[12:41] <Riddell> paste?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> pastebinning it now :)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5xK7TG71.html
[12:42] <Riddell> hmm, fooey
[12:42] <Riddell> I changed that late last night
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ditto with the battery length tooltip
[12:43] <Riddell> closest 20%
[12:43] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you pastebin the battery length errors too?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sb7UlQ74.html is the entire thing
[12:52] <Riddell> seaLne: fancy a packaging challenge?  qt4ruby needs packaged (at last I don't think anyone is working on it)
[12:53] <Riddell> thanks
[12:56] <seaLne> Riddell: i wouldn't have time in the next week or so but could look at it after that?
[12:56] <Riddell> seaLne: cool
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you want me to test suspend?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> & hibernate?
[12:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: please
[12:58] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wow!!!!
[01:03] <Riddell> :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it worked somewhat?
[01:07] <Riddell> ssh, she's hibernating
[01:09] <ajmitch> obviously :)
[01:09] <Riddell> what news?!
[01:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: suspend works, hibernat's buggered, but i think it's buggered on my machine anyway
[01:10] <Riddell> ah well
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: even knm reconnects itself, and the sound works!
[01:10] <Riddell> 1 out of two isn't bad :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:10] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee 
[01:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did it lock after resume from suspend?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: actually, that's interesting.  my dapper would hibernate, but not suspend
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep.  took me a while to figure out what the heck was going on, till i moved the mouse :P
[01:11] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it probably works now that you're not using nasty ndiswrapper stuff
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, quite likely.
[01:12] <Riddell> I'm not sure how to poke the screensaver into showing the unlock dialogue
[01:13] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that you need to - it's pretty obvious if someone's using a non-blank screensaver
[01:20] <Hobbsee_> Riddell: i have good news and bad news
[01:20] <Hobbsee_> but first, what did i miss?
[01:21] <ajmitch> we didn't talk about you much
[01:22] <Hobbsee> much.  right.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you said you wouldnt break my machine.  lack of kernel panics are part of that :P
[01:25] <Riddell> oops
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: g-p-m *doesnt* like rss-glx screensavers.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the first time i got part of the usplash, and general other random crap, then the second time i got the kernel panic - something about xfree86 trying to access the hardware or something
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want that exact kern
[01:35] <Hobbsee> el panic error?
[01:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, but the linux maintainer might, report a bug
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: linux maintainer of which package?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> but not for blank
[01:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: linux maintainer of linux
[01:37] <Hobbsee> right....
[01:56] <seaLne> where abouts was it that the netinst iso lives?
[01:56] <Riddell> seaLne: link at bottom of KubuntuFiles on wiki
[01:56] <seaLne> ta
[02:51] <Hobbsee> debian 369023
[02:51] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 369023 in showimg "Subject: showimg: Please build-depends on koffice-dev instead of libkexif-dev" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/369023
[02:52] <Riddell> huh?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just looking at a merge
[02:53] <Riddell> libkexif-dev has nothing to do with koffice
[02:53] <Riddell> he seems to be confusing it with kexi
[02:53] <Riddell> it needs changed to libkexif1-dev
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, exactly.  what i'm wondering about is why there's a libpq-dev build-dep there too, from ubuntu
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why'd you put that in?
[02:54] <Riddell> at a guess showimg has a database layer for its catalogue
[02:54] <Hobbsee> so keep it?
[02:55] <Riddell> if it's used yes
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[03:09] <Riddell> el, Sime: could one of you set system-settings-usability spec to beta available?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-system-settings-usability/+priority
[03:11] <el> Riddell, done
[03:11] <Riddell> thanks
[03:12] <Riddell> sleep!
[03:13] <Riddell> (and don't turn your phone off so I can wake you up :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you do leave me a voicemail, turn your radio off first :P
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do you need me there for anyway?  :P
[03:14] <Hobbsee> apart from so that jjesse cant make the meeting, of course
[03:14] <sebas> Meeting is tonight?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sebas: yep, 2100UTC
[03:14] <sebas> I might attend, at 21oo UTC?
[03:14] <sebas> Ok.
[03:14] <Riddell> el: new power manager applet ready for testing, it's not exactly like the spec because it doesn't have idle time measurement, but feedback on the UI would be good.  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7ubuntu1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:15] <sebas> Riddell: While driving to work this morning, I was thinking that we really need an event based model, no polling.
[03:15] <el> Riddell, thanks! i'll have a look at it - later today or tomorrow. 
[03:15] <Hobbsee> sebas: what do you mean?
[03:15] <sebas> Polling will keep the CPU from entering sleep states (such as C1, C3) and thus eat quite some energy off AC.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:16] <sebas> Hobbsee: Is that a bit clearer?
[03:16] <el> hi sebas :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> sebas: yeah.  thought you were referring to the meeting actually.
[03:16] <Riddell> sebas: the trouble is that the python-dcop bindings can't listen for signals unless you have a glib loop
[03:16] <Riddell> sebas: it's probably not /too/ hard to add qt mainloop support to python-dbus, it is designed for extra mainloops to be added
[03:17] <sebas> Riddell: Yeah, I know. We could solve that with separating GUI from event listener, that would also enable us to run the event listener when X is stopped or kdm waiting for login.
[03:17] <sebas> Thiago probably has ideas on that.
[03:17] <sebas> I guess he's dealing with that all the time.
[03:17] <Riddell> sebas: have you looked at the code?  
[03:17] <sebas> Yes, it's a mess :>
[03:17] <Riddell> :)
[03:18] <sebas> Seriously, I'd really abstract GUI from functionality, I can do that though.
[03:18] <Riddell> sebas: do you think I should put it in SVN?
[03:18] <sebas> I didn't run the code yet though.
[03:18] <sebas> Yes, absolutely, it's in development anyway, and the workflow is much easier if you and I both work in SVN.
[03:19] <Riddell> cool, I'll do that, and upload a package to edgy
[03:19] <sebas> Ok.
[03:19] <sebas> I figure we can make the applet communicate with the daemon via dbus, and have the daemon run code on events.
[03:19] <sebas> That could solve the privilege problem as well, if I'm not mistaken.
[03:20] <Riddell> privilage problem?
[03:22] <Riddell> "communicate with the daemon via dbus" that still has the problem of no signals in python-dbus with qt
[03:22] <allee> sebas: if the daemon uses dbus then it should be desktop neutral. Maybe there is already something like this???
[03:22] <Riddell> hal!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/47160
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47160 in kcontrol-kdmtheme "remove package, duplicates "kdmtheme"" [Medium,Needs info]  
[03:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm, good question
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, rahter
[03:34] <Riddell> I guess we keep kcontrol-kdmtheme and scrap kdmtheme then
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, that's what i'd think
[03:36] <Riddell> no, kdmtheme is now in debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kdmtheme
[03:36] <Riddell> oh how confusing
[03:36] <Hobbsee> no, wait
[03:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:36] <Riddell> so scrap kcontrol-kdmtheme
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's also a newer version, it seems
[03:36] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show kcontrol-kdmtheme | grep Version
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Version: 1.1-0ubuntu1
[03:36] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show kdmtheme | grep Version
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Version: 1.1.2-1
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's sane
[03:37] <Riddell> ok, I've confirmed the bug
[03:38] <Hobbsee> gah.  too quick :P
[03:39] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: that's new guidance uploaded with the power manager applet, you could put that in the knot 2 page
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tooltip for 100% charged works for g-p-m
[04:17] <Riddell> yay!
[04:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but do you have the tooltip very large?  with lots of space under the progress bar?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[04:18] <Riddell> I have no idea why it does that
[04:19] <Riddell> it's more a KDE/qt issue
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:32] <Hobbsee> right.  it's bedtime.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> night all, night Riddell 
[04:38] <abattoir_> Riddell: what did you say you did for the locale-chooser-data problem that you encountered?
[04:40] <Riddell> abattoir_: I used your older package
[04:41] <abattoir_> Riddell: ok, will try that, thanks :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i said i was going to bed, didnt i...
[04:44] <jjesse> don't you have to be up again in a little bit for the meeting Hobbsee?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah.  or i'll get an angry Riddell on the phone
[05:18] <seaLne> now ubuntu magazine are
[05:21] <Riddell> oh they asked me ages ago
[05:21] <Riddell> at least 6 months ago
[05:21] <Riddell> never heard from them since
[05:21] <seaLne> ubuntu magazine didn't exist 6 months ago
[05:22] <Riddell> it was being discussed
[05:22] <seaLne> ah
[05:25] <freeflying> Riddell: I need your sponsor upload for scim-pinyin and scim-chewing, due to the changes in gtk2  :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> seaLne: heh , i'm begingin to think that about the Fridge, what we discussed and whats happening isnt the same , but thats OT for here
[05:26] <Riddell> after meeting freeflying 
[05:26] <freeflying> Riddell: okay, I'd go to bed now, thanks
[05:28] <Riddell> freeflying: e-mail it to me
[05:47] <nixternal>  <Riddell> nixternal: that's new guidance uploaded with the power manager applet, you could put that in the knot 2 page
[05:47] <nixternal> extra info?  link?
[05:48] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowerManagement
[05:48] <nixternal> rocKing
[06:20] <imbrandon> ugh it pisses me off when people are arrogant to the point of not listening to other people
[06:20] <imbrandon> anyhow ....
[06:20] <DaSkreech> ?
[06:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'll have that fixed ktorrent here in a few minutes ( hour or so probably )
[06:21] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: nothing, it dosent belong here, just frustrated atm with a few ppl
[06:21] <imbrandon> it will pass
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Oh in that case vent here by all means :)
[06:21] <imbrandon> lol nah i'd rather be productive, bbiab , fixin ktorrent
[06:31] <el> Riddell, i wrote some comments in the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowerManagement
[06:32] <Riddell> el: just saw that, thanks
[06:32] <el> Riddell, they lid close doesn't work here :-|
[06:32] <el> but it works with klaptop
[06:32] <Riddell> el: no it doesn't seem to work for me either, it doesn't get picked up by HAL
[06:33] <el> Riddell, ah, ok, so it's not only my laptop :)
[06:34] <Riddell> el: coukld you run lshal and look for "lid" in the output and tell me what the udi is for it?
[06:35] <el> button.type = 'lid'  (string)
[06:35] <el>   info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer'  (string)
[06:35] <el>   linux.acpi_type = 10  (0xa)  (int)
[06:35] <el>   linux.acpi_path = '/proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0'  (string)
[06:35] <el> is that what you wanted?
[06:35] <el> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/acpi_LID0'
[06:36] <Riddell> el: ah, so it's my fault, I need to look up the better way of finding that lid object
[06:36] <el> ok
[06:36] <el> Riddell, also the maximum brightness was only 47%
[06:37] <Riddell> el: that's interesting, can you do  lshal | grep laptop_panel.num_levels
[06:37] <el> laptop_panel.num_levels = 16  (0x10)  (int)
[06:37] <Riddell> right, my fault again, not too hard to fix
[06:38] <el> fine. the other things i wrote in the issues are ui-related
[06:38] <el> in the wiki, not issues
[06:39] <ryanakca> Hey Riddell! The wiki page says to "introduce yourself to the developers"... who else should I introduce myself to? ( Well... that was kindof an introduction... dont you think? :D )
[06:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:42] <Riddell> el: all good issues, thanks for the review
[06:42] <Riddell> ryanakca: come along to the meeting tonight and say hi :)
[06:42] <el> Riddell, np
[06:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: what time?
[06:43] <imbrandon> 2100utc iirc
[06:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: 21:00UTC #ubuntu-meeting
[06:43] <Riddell> 3 hours 15 mins
[06:44] <imbrandon> Riddell: got time to help me with something that should be trivial
[06:44] <Riddell> imbrandon: I can try
[06:44] <imbrandon> heh well you know the patch to the cvs.sh for old kde apps
[06:44] <imbrandon> that shoudl enable pot trans
[06:44] <ryanakca> 4PM :) right before supper... how long do they last? hour?
[06:45] <imbrandon> i have that patch applied but when it builds it said something about "use anything but gettext" i can get the exact error if you want
[06:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: exact error useful
[06:45] <imbrandon> heh ok 
[06:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, about an hour
[06:46] <ryanakca> kk, I'll be there (hopefully)
[06:49] <allee> is DannyKukawka here?
[06:49] <sebas> He's usually on #powersave.
[06:51] <allee> sebas: thx
[06:52] <allee> sebas, riddel: is it worth adding dannyK 
[06:53] <allee> comment 'Why new pm applet instead of adapting kpowersave" to tonights agende
[06:54] <allee> Riddell: ^^ 
[06:54] <Riddell> allee: if it's useful for someone, sure
[06:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: whats the command to see all the kde packages that need libgamin removed still? i think that wiki is a bit dated 
[06:55] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends libgamin0
[06:56] <imbrandon> k and only the kde ones not all of them right ?
[06:57] <allee> In case dannyk will be there, I'll add it
[07:01] <rouzic> Hi all :)
[07:02] <imbrandon> 'ello
[07:02] <Riddell> nixternal: power manager screenshot http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/powermanager.png
[07:03] <imbrandon> hehe we need a kde crystal icon
[07:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've asked kwwii, hopefully he'll do it when he gets back from holiday
[07:03] <imbrandon> colol
[07:03] <imbrandon> cool*
[07:05] <imbrandon> ahh it wouldent let me paste the whole build log , i can upload it if you need the whole thing 
[07:05] <imbrandon> but here is the error Riddell http://pastebin.ca/125409
[07:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: ah, the admin/ directory is far too old, just give up and throw it at upstream
[07:06] <imbrandon> doh , thats ktorrent 2
[07:06] <imbrandon> heh
[07:07] <Riddell> that's what you get for developing outside of KDE's SVN
[07:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:07] <imbrandon> well can we grab a admin dir from svn for now ? or wait for upstream ( might not make it into edgy hehe )
[07:08] <Riddell> you could yes
[07:08] <imbrandon> ok cool i'll do that ( and poke upstream to get it fixed too )
[07:08] <allee> Riddell: powermanager.png:   s/when//  and s/Critical/Critical (%d %)/ ?
[07:09] <Riddell> allee: el has already pointed out your seconf point to me
[07:10] <Riddell> allee: not here, on the wiki, I'm just confirming that you have a top usability spod backing you up
[07:10] <allee> :)
[07:12] <allee> Riddell: the layout seems to imply that one will not be able to configure 'lid close' etc when on AC power?
[07:14] <Riddell> allee: also pointed out by el :)
[07:14] <el> :)
[07:15] <imbrandon> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin ktorrent-2.0/admin
[07:15] <imbrandon> gah
[07:15] <rouzic> I have seen the images of the Knot 2 in the wiki
[07:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: copy it from a kde 3.5.4 package if you want
[07:16] <imbrandon> Riddell: kk
[07:17] <Riddell> rouzic: good?  bad?
[07:17] <imbrandon> rouzic: some of the SS are there yes but knot 2 wont have cd images built for a few days atleaste
[07:17] <allee> el: I dare to disagree on 'lid close'.  Some (two) people here wanted on battery -> suspend, on power -> blank.  So at least in their opionion it depends on plug/unplug state 
[07:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: more like two weeks it seems :(
[07:17] <rouzic> Good Riddell :)
[07:17] <imbrandon> yea ;( ( after the dev sprint )
[07:18] <rouzic> I like the images
[07:18] <imbrandon> one good thing though Riddell is kwwii might have time to put some more artwork in
[07:18] <el> allee, i have no data on this - if it really depends on plug/unplug state it should be doubled. 
[07:19] <rouzic> Kubuntu 6.10 will be one of the best versions that will exist :)
[07:19] <el> allee, hm, who are the two people who wnat that?
[07:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: should this applet work fine on my ppc lappy ? if so i'll test it before the meeting
[07:20] <allee> el: Claudia and Daniel asked me last year.  They had (longer) computation running when pluged in.  When on battery they don't do this ;)
[07:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: it should yes
[07:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: i dont know if apm/acpi is diffrent on apple or not is why i'm asking
[07:20] <imbrandon> ok
[07:20] <rouzic> imbrandon: SS?
[07:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's all HAL
[07:20] <imbrandon> rouzic: Screen Shots
[07:20] <el> allee, ah, i see. yes, that's actually a common use case for developers. 
[07:21] <rouzic> ah , ok :)
[07:21] <allee> bye, see you later
[07:21] <el> bye allee 
[07:21] <imbrandon> later allee
[07:22] <imbrandon> Riddell: the kopete admin should work right? i already have that downloaded
[07:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[07:26] <imbrandon> Riddell: seems there was a terrorist scare at your london airport for US planes
[07:26] <imbrandon> was just on the news
[07:26] <imbrandon> heh
[07:27] <Riddell> good thing I'm not flying from England
[07:28] <imbrandon> hehe yea , all the US airports have a 8 ( EIGHT !! ) hour wait atm to get on a flight 
[07:29] <Riddell> Sime, sebas: http://kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kde-technology-interviews-pykde
[07:29] <Riddell> suggestions welcome for questions
[07:37] <sebas> Riddell: Other involvements with Open Source / KDE might be interesting.
[07:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: Do you know of any exciting users of PyKDE?  <-- s/users\ of/applications\ that\ use/  possibly ?
[07:38] <sebas> And the "how do you eat" question.
[07:38] <imbrandon> lol ;)
[07:45] <verwilst_> grm, pressing shift-backspace kills my X
[07:45] <verwilst_> hm, xgl
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea thats an xgl key binding
[07:46] <mornfall> hola
[07:46] <imbrandon> 'ello mornfall
[07:46] <mornfall> another lame question: where do i get netinst iso for kubuntu? :)
[07:46] <mornfall> or equivalent
[07:46] <mornfall> well
[07:47] <jjesse> that would be the alternate install iso?
[07:47] <imbrandon> no
[07:47] <imbrandon> hold on grabbing the link
[07:47] <imbrandon> inst it in the pool like in debian
[07:47] <imbrandon> isnt*
[07:48] <mornfall> i just don't want to download full iso just to install a machine on the same link as i would download iso :)
[07:48] <imbrandon> heh yea exactly, hold on mornfall i know there is one, i'm looking for the image now, its kinda hidden iirc
[07:48] <mornfall> yeah, i figure :)
[07:50] <imbrandon> Riddell: do you still have the link, i'm not seeing it
[07:51] <mornfall> i have installed vmware workstation on my lappy so i figured i could as well install edgy into it to be able to test things there
[07:51] <mornfall> (xen doesn't cut it here, breaks suspend to ram/disk)
[07:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: to what?
[07:55] <Riddell> mornfall: link at bottom of KubuntuFiles on wiki
[07:56] <imbrandon> ahh yea thats what i was looking for
[07:56] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFiles
[07:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:56] <mornfall> ack
[07:56] <mornfall> downloaded
[07:57] <mornfall> should i preseed? or do a server install and apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:58] <imbrandon> i would do the latter myself, not sure if there is much diffrence
[07:59] <mornfall> going for server, much easier than typing in the hopelessly long seed url :)
[07:59] <Riddell> the difference is having gnome installed
[07:59] <imbrandon> Riddell: not witha server install
[07:59] <imbrandon> not even X installed
[08:00] <mornfall> installer running
[08:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh ok that fixed it right up ( ktorrent ) , just a sec i'll stick it on my file server so you can grab it
[08:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ktorrent/
[08:05] <Riddell> thanks
[08:05] <mornfall> creating partitions on scsi disks is screwed or just me?
[08:05] <imbrandon> me either
[08:05] <imbrandon> i only use pata or sata
[08:05] <mornfall> says device or resource busy after creating
[08:05] <mornfall> so it can't create filesystems
[08:06] <mornfall> hmm
[08:06] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:06] <mornfall> guess i should reboot :)
[08:07] <imbrandon> who does the k-d-s mostly ? is there a way we can get a link to kontact ( kmail ) in the internet section of kmenu just like the other email apps ?
[08:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's already in Office, we don't want two entries for the same thing
[08:09] <imbrandon> yea but i ( and probably ) many others goto "internet" looking for it 
[08:09] <imbrandon> almost every time i goto start it
[08:09] <imbrandon> heh
[08:10] <imbrandon> as thats where evolution thunderbird etc all are
[08:10] <imbrandon> anyhow no biggie just asking
[08:13] <mornfall> installing base system \o/
[08:14] <imbrandon> yay \o/
[08:17] <mornfall> although i wish i had a hvm-capable cpu
[08:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's no change there between the last package I saw http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ktorrent.debdiff
[08:29] <imbrandon> umm yes theres quite a few changes but umm i'm not seeing whats wrong with that diff, there are some changes to the rules for the pot and control deps, and a new doc file
[08:30] <imbrandon> am i missing something i shouldent be ?
[08:30] <ryanakca> is it kdelibs4-dev or kdebase-dev that provides http://pastebin.ca/125494 ?
[08:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: it changes the compat level, homepage, adds a manpage, postinst and prerm scripts and heavily modifies the rules file all without a mention in the changelog
[08:40] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[08:41] <toma> is universe closed for new releases?
[08:41] <Riddell> don't get out of sync from debian unless it adds something
[08:41] <Riddell> toma: not at all
[08:42] <imbrandon> well the rules is needed the rest i can probably revert
[08:42] <toma> Riddell: oki, is the  auto-sync active as well?
[08:42] <Riddell> toma: no
[08:44] <Riddell> toma: new packages welcome, new versions if they've been tested, syncs from debian also if they've been tested
[08:44] <toma> Riddell: oki, clear
[08:49] <Riddell> Lure: how do you pronounce ljubljana?
[08:50] <Lure> Riddell: hard for english guys... ;-)
[08:50] <Lure> Riddell: sorry for that... ;-)
[08:51] <Lure> j is read as u in english, the rest is more or less normally read
[08:51] <nixternal> that rocKs
[08:51] <nixternal> the icon in the taskbar is sweet
[08:51] <Riddell> nixternal: the icon is from gnome :)
[08:51] <Lure> guidance power manager? is it available?
[08:51] <nixternal> doh
[08:51] <nixternal> i hate it
[08:51] <nixternal> ;)
[08:51] <Riddell> good good :)
[08:51] <Riddell> Lure: /topic
[08:51] <imbrandon> thats a gnome icon nixternal heh
[08:52] <nixternal> it needs to be burple
[08:52] <imbrandon> kwwii has be requested to fix it up , no worries nixternal ;)
[08:52] <Lure> Riddell: cool - does it work on Dapper too? (no Edgy on laptop yet - waiting for Knot2)
[08:52] <Riddell> Lure: yes, fine on dapper
[08:53] <nixternal> kwwii can draw? ;) hehe
[08:53] <nixternal> he's not even around for the joke ;(
[08:53] <Lure> what is gnome-power-manager.tar.gz?
[08:53] <nixternal> im getting ready to add the power stuff as well to the release page...any idea how close we are to knot 2 release?
[08:54] <Riddell> Lure: those are the icons it uses currently, you can also just use http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-guidance_0.6.7ubuntu1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:54] <Riddell> nixternal: not at all close it seems
[08:54] <nixternal> i kind of figured that after just scrolling the -meeting
[08:55] <imbrandon> weeks nixternal ;(
[08:56] <imbrandon> ok Riddell rebuilding again , hopefully this is the last time, i made only bare minimum changes this time
[09:05] <sebas> Riddell: Can I get the icons without installing twenty gnome packages?
[09:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:06] <Riddell> sebas: use the .deb above or the .tar.gz from the URL in /topic
[09:06] <sebas> Sorry, only 18 :-)
[09:07] <sebas> Aye, I'm working with the svn version, so I'll get the tgz.
[09:11] <Sime> sebas: hey sebas. Did you get that email of mine about that housewarming?
[09:11] <Sime> sebas: or did it get marked as spam?
[09:11] <Sime> Riddell: how interested are you in those io-slave patches?
[09:12] <Riddell> Sime: I suspect we're very interested
[09:13] <toma> Sime: i've put it on the agenda for the meeting later this evening, feel free to join...
[09:13] <Sime> toma: time?
[09:14] <toma> 23
[09:16] <toma> Sime: can you make it?
[09:17] <Sime> toma: don't know.
[09:18] <sebas> Sime: Got it, cool!
[09:18] <Sime> sebas: sweet
[09:18] <sebas> Thanks for the invitation, I only forgot to reply :-)
[09:18] <Sime> sebas: I was just wondering if it got through (firstly)
[09:18] <sebas> Sime: Very nice work on the FS abstraction, btw.
[09:18] <sebas> I love the concept
[09:18] <imbrandon> Riddell: hehe ok hows this look before i upload it so you can grab it ...... http://pastebin.ca/125571
[09:19] <Sime> Riddell: implementing the FS stuff would probably require tweaking udev, BTW. mount point names need to be more descriptive (like what media:/ does now)
[09:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: does debian have the patch rules?  if so they should be kept (even if empty)
[09:20] <sebas> Mountpoint are being taken care of by the installer, right?
[09:20] <sebas> udev only does devicenode naming
[09:21] <imbrandon> yea they have the patch rules, should i just empty the patch file then instead of removeing it from debian/rules ?
[09:21] <Riddell> tweaking udev sounds scary
[09:21] <Sime> udev (I think) does hotpluging.
[09:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: just remove the one line that actually does the patching
[09:21] <sebas> Yeah, but not mounting
[09:21] <imbrandon> udev rules do for hotplug stuff like ipods
[09:21] <sebas> udev creates device nodes when something is plugged in.
[09:21] <Sime> Riddell: eerrrrr waht imbrandon  said.
[09:22] <sebas> HAL might mount it
[09:22] <Sime> Riddell: udev is very configurable.
[09:22] <Sime> sebas: I'm not sure. HAL might be one that actually mounts it... I'm a bit fuzzy there.
[09:22] <Riddell> HAL does the mounting yes
[09:22] <sebas> I'm 88.3% sure udev has nothing to do with mountpoints :)
[09:22] <Sime> Riddell: ervin emailed me BTW.
[09:23] <Riddell> actually it just calls a script that uses pmount
[09:23] <Riddell> Sime: what did he say?
[09:23] <imbrandon> udev rules make the names like /media/ipod insead of /media/sdf3 or whatever
[09:23] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/?id=viewpic&gcat=UbuntuDevSummitParis&gpic=IMG_7899.JPG#images <- This ervin :-)
[09:24] <imbrandon> lol @ sebas
[09:24] <Sime> Riddell: I'll just forward the email. I hope he doesn't mind.
[09:24] <sebas> The scary part is: It's Aaron's thong.
[09:24] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[09:26] <Sime> sebas: ummmm yeah.
[09:27] <Sime> sebas: I assume the thong hasn't been used. But you never know with aaron.
[09:29] <imbrandon> ok Riddell last time heheheh promis *crosses finger* http://pastebin.ca/125584
[09:30] <imbrandon> i'll get this down one day ;)
[09:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: looks perfect
[09:30] <imbrandon> kk lemme copy to the file server, one sec
[09:33] <fdoving> imbrandon: udev makes /dev/stuff, it can make /dev/ipod if you want. But it doesn't touch anything in /media, that's HAL.
[09:33] <Riddell> Sime: interesting
[09:33] <imbrandon> ahh ok hrm , guess i mis intrepreted what i read 
[09:34] <sebas> Sime: I vaguely remember ... let's not discuss that :>
[09:34] <Sime> Riddell: trying some of these patches/ideas in edgy would be a very good way of trying them out in the real world before KDE4.
[09:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok updated files at http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ktorrent/
[09:34] <Riddell> Sime: agreed
[09:35] <imbrandon> Sime: yea , specialy since edgy is "edgy" ;)
[09:35] <Sime> imbrandon: true
[09:35] <sebas> Sime: Did you get some feedback from the OpenUsability people?
[09:35] <Sime> sebas: about what?
[09:36] <sebas> About the i/o slave work.
[09:36] <fdoving> imbrandon: you should look at /usr/share/hal/scripts/hal-system-storage-mount if you would like to learn more about the mounting process and the rules for mouting and labels etc.
[09:36] <sebas> Last night's blogentry
[09:36] <imbrandon> fdoving: will do , thanks
[09:36] <imbrandon> brb food time 
[09:38] <fdoving> imbrandon: there are also some nice and informative HAL policy and preferences files in /etc/hal/ and /usr/share/hal .
[09:38] <Sime> sebas: no, I haven't. I haven't had time yet.
[09:38] <Sime> sebas: but if you see El, ask her for an opinion.
[09:39] <sebas> She was on this channel earlier today.
[09:57] <omeow> There seems to be a problem when upgrading KDM; http://pastebin.ca/125618
[09:57] <omeow> Is there any easy way to solve this?
[09:58] <omeow> I have no idea what it means. =/
[09:58] <imbrandon> actualy looks like you have other issues " 41 not fully installed or removed. "
[09:58] <imbrandon> try " sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[09:58] <omeow> That's probably because this package failed to install.
[09:58] <omeow> The rest hasn't been configured yet.
[09:58] <imbrandon> no that was prior 
[09:59] <omeow> This is the 2nd time I ran the command.
[09:59] <imbrandon> exactly the first time it dident finish
[09:59] <imbrandon> try " sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[09:59] <omeow> Ok.
[09:59] <imbrandon> and #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1 ;)
[09:59] <omeow> What for?
[10:00] <omeow> Do they support people running edgy?
[10:00] <imbrandon> #ubuntu+1 is for exactly that
[10:00] <imbrandon> edgy
[10:01] <omeow> Did it finish now? http://pastebin.ca/125624
[10:01] <omeow> I have no idea, all I can make out is warnings and errors.
[10:02] <imbrandon> try " sudo apt-get install language-selector-common language-selector-qt python-apt " now , and use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade
[10:02] <omeow> Why?
[10:02] <imbrandon> so it wont hold back as much and grab new deps
[10:03] <omeow> I see.
[10:03] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Not to be picky but it's for exactly one more than the current stable release
[10:03] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: exactly , and right now thats edgy
[10:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:04] <DaSkreech> So #ubuntu+1 is exactly for that.. right now
[10:04] <omeow> Why can't the apt tools say "package(s) installed" instead of just ending without saying anything? :)
[10:04] <DaSkreech> I was just cussing about the apt tolls not showing changelogs
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Tools
[10:05] <omeow> imbrandon, what mouse do you have?
[10:05] <omeow> *which
[10:05] <imbrandon> hp wireless wtf does that have to do with anything ?
[10:05] <omeow> I was going to ask you another question. :)
[10:05] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:05] <Sime> Riddell: are you going to interview Jim PyKDE guy?
[10:06] <Riddell> Sime: yes, see that wiki page, suggestions welcome
[10:06] <omeow> I have an mx510, and for some reason, I have to keep my xserver-xorg-input-evdev downgraded to version 1.0.0.5-0ubuntu2 in order to keep my xorg server from crashing.
[10:06] <imbrandon> ok omeow support to +1 , i'll meet you there in a sec, if not there are tons of peeps in there ;)
[10:06] <omeow> I have no idea how to start investigating this problem, since I don't really know who to contact.
[10:07] <Sime> Riddell: I don't know what his plans for KDE4 are, but it would be nice if we could talk him into developing PyKDE in KDE svn in a more open way, and having PyKDE synced with KDE releases.
[10:07] <imbrandon> Sime: +1
[10:07] <imbrandon> on that
[10:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:07] <omeow> I'll be back in a bit.
[10:07] <imbrandon> me too afk a few
[10:08] <sebas> Sime: Has that been talked about at some point ever?
[10:09] <sebas> It makes a lot of sense, especially since bindings and pykde are always out of sync.
[10:09] <Sime> sebas: not yet. Jim is a good and reasonable guy though
[10:09] <sebas> Yeah, I know.
[10:09] <Sime> sebas: yep
[10:12] <Sime> Riddell, sebas: if would be nice if we could announce something during the interview. ;-)
[10:14] <sebas> Oops.
[10:14] <sebas> Yeah, or simply ask carefully if that'd be an option, and what he'd need to do that.
[10:15] <Sime> sebas: well, we should at least first ask and probe what his plans are for KDE4. Maybe he wants to do that already.
[10:17] <sebas> Sime: That's right.
[10:19] <Lure> Riddell: guidance-p-m looks ok, only lid does not work properly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20210
[10:19] <Riddell> Lure: great
[10:19] <Lure> otherwise suspend/hibernate works (Dapper with KDE 3.5.4)
[10:20] <Riddell> Lure: the lid thing is coded badly, it needs to search for the button type not the udi
[10:20] <Lure> we just need to get rid of these ugly icons...
[10:20] <imbrandon> heh
[10:20] <Riddell> kwwii is offline until next week :(
[10:20] <Lure> question: do you plan to add any battery info to the dialog?
[10:20] <Lure> Riddell: should we borrow the ones from kpowersave?
[10:20] <Riddell> Lure: it's already in the tool tip
[10:21] <Riddell> Lure: borrow the what?
[10:21] <Lure> Riddell: icons
[10:21] <Lure> Riddell: no tooltip here...
[10:22] <Riddell> Lure: kpowersave just uses the ugly icon from klaptopdaemon
[10:22] <Riddell> Lure: hold mouse over the systray icon, you get a popup
[10:22] <Lure> Riddell: tried, but it does not work here...
[10:23] <Riddell> strange, it worked for others
[10:23] <Riddell> Lure: any error output on the command line?
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: actually, there is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20211
[10:25] <fdoving> kpowersave doesn't work properly here either.
[10:25] <Lure> fdoving: expected - it's not polished as Ubuntu acpi-support
[10:26] <Riddell> Lure: hmm, I fixed that
[10:26] <fdoving> Lure: well, it worked nicely until recently. :)
[10:26] <Riddell> Lure: I know, you need to do bzr branch on the URL in the /topic to get the latest version (or get it out of KDE SVN)
[10:26] <Lure> I am using the version wrom /topic
[10:27] <fdoving> i use 0.6.0-1ubuntu4.
[10:27] <Lure> fdoving: really? maybe some kernel update confused it...
[10:27] <Riddell> Lure: needs to be got with bzr, not wget
[10:27] <Lure> fdoving: problem with suspend/hibernate...
[10:27] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will take the svn version
[10:28] <Riddell> Lure: in trunk/playground/guidance
[10:28] <Riddell> base/guidance
[10:28] <fdoving> Lure: don't think so as i haven't rebooted. no problems with suspend/hibernate, just the applet not working properly. missing menus etc. I had nice performance control etc. now everything is gone. only the help meny left.
[10:29] <Lure> fdoving: is powersaved running? try /etc/init.d/powersaved start
[10:29] <fdoving> Lure: it is.
[10:29] <seaLne> Riddell: would it be ok to bring up the topic of k3b breakage in the meeting?
[10:29] <Lure> fdoving: never seen something like that...
[10:29] <fdoving> .. and i have killed kpowersave and restarted it to check.. but it doesn't work.
[10:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: what about either one of these icons http://imbrandon.sytes.net/icons/
[10:31] <imbrandon> err
[10:31] <imbrandon> wrong url hold on
[10:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/pm/
[10:33] <seaLne> looks like a battery full of tea :)
[10:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:34] <imbrandon> they are from everaldo's crystal clear icon set
[10:36] <imbrandon> hahaha ubunfood http://www.flickr.com/photos/menza/211976628/
[10:36] <Riddell> seaLne: sure, add to the agenda
[10:42] <Lure> Riddell: svn version reports: ImportError: No module named guidance_power_manager_ui
[10:42] <Lure> but there is guidance_power_manager_ui.ui
[10:43] <Lure> how to get the .py from .ui?
[10:43] <fdoving> with pyuic
[10:44] <Lure> fdoving: thanks
[10:49] <toma> seaLne: any br we should read about the breakage?
[10:50] <seaLne> good point
[10:50] <Lure> Riddell: tooltip works with svn version, acpiLID HAL error remains
[10:50] <Lure> Riddell: and why is battery percentage twice (both in % bar and then as a text number)
[10:52] <Lure> Riddell: what do you plan to put in system settings for power management since new powermanager is so lightweight?
[10:53] <nixternal> is there an easy way to add a program into katapult?
[10:54] <seaLne> give it a desktop file
[10:55] <Riddell> Lure: dunno, what do we need?
[10:55] <Riddell> Lure: nothing I'd say
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: true, if we assure that all laptops will get tray icon out-of-the-box
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: users might still expect something in system settings though
[10:58] <fdoving> gnite all. can't stay for the meeting, work very early tomorrow.
[10:58] <Lure> Riddell: we could have the same content as on single click on tray icon... But it is not much
[10:59] <sebas> Where's the meeting?
[10:59] <allee> #ubuntu-meeting
[10:59] <fdoving> #ubuntu-meeting.
[10:59] <imbrandon> sebas: #ubuntu-meeting
[10:59] <imbrandon> in about 5 minutes
[10:59] <sebas> That's clear, merci!
[11:00] <sebas> Aye, it's UTC +1.55 over here ;)
[11:00] <seaLne> meeting!
[11:00] <seaLne> sebas: weird
[11:00] <imbrandon> heh time to wake up hobbsee ;) lol
[11:01] <sebas> seaLne: Yeah, I might've been kidding though :P
[11:02] <seaLne> CEST then? :P
[11:02] <sebas> Yeah
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hi all
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heya
[11:03] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[11:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: intro myself at the end of the meeting? (I had missed the first ping... I was afk...)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: better to stick you in soon, i suspect
[11:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: we'll do it next
[11:15] <Hobbsee> yep.  we do :)
[11:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: guess there was a reason i had to get up this morning then
[11:59] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Sorry did we discuss bug 49774 already?
[11:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49774 in kubuntu-meta "(WISH) Reduce the number of dependences in kubuntu-desktop" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49774
[11:59] <imbrandon> not yet
[11:59] <seaLne> is it on the agenda?
[11:59] <seaLne> ah it is
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Yes they said jump to Hobbsee so I thought I missed that 
[12:01] <DaSkreech> How do I get the info on the CPU family?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: lscpi?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> uname -a?
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Nope for either :)
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Looking for something like Sempron vs athlon
[12:04] <DaSkreech> Ah
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Wait uname -p I guess but it's unknown
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Ah well