| kiko | cprov, how do we manage to break that? | 12:12 |
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| cprov | kiko: no idea, will need to investigate why the changesfile was not properly parsed. NascentUpload AHHHHHH ! | 12:13 |
| kiko | argh | 12:14 |
| cprov | I needs some food now, will investigate it better after dinner, see you ... | 12:14 |
| kiko | sure | 12:15 |
| kiko | laters | 12:15 |
| sabdfl | kiko: who should i ask to do this review? | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | it's big, but it's neat and tidy | 12:19 |
| kiko | sabdfl, anybody but me :) | 12:19 |
| kiko | seriously, probably salgado? | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | fair enough, but who do you recommend? | 12:19 |
| sabdfl | ok | 12:19 |
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| sabdfl | it's a very satisfactory branch | 12:28 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 12:28 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 02:03 |
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| mpt | spiv, ping | 02:23 |
| spiv | mpt: pong | 02:38 |
| mpt | spiv, given the results I posted to launchpad@ in the "devpad is the new sodium" thread, can you tell me how I may land a branch? | 02:49 |
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| spiv | mpt: did you see jamesh's reply? | 02:54 |
| spiv | mpt: basically, remove the section specific to the branch from your branches.conf, so that it doesn't override the section with public_repository etc that the PQM plugin uses. | 02:59 |
| mpt | spiv, that's what I did originally | 03:00 |
| mpt | Hmm, maybe I pushed between doing that and doing the pqm-submit | 03:00 |
| spiv | mpt: if it's trying to merge to bzr.dev, then that is probably the problem. | 03:01 |
| spiv | It's an annoying bug. | 03:01 |
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| mpt | oops | 03:06 |
| mpt | spiv, I just realized that in that same message, I'd already said that I'd tried just what you suggested :-) | 03:06 |
| mpt | carlos suggested that last night | 03:06 |
| mpt | When I do, I get a "not a branch" error | 03:06 |
| spiv | mpt: hmm. | 03:07 |
| spiv | mpt: something is screwy, can you pastebin the section that you tried deleting? | 03:13 |
| spiv | Oh, it's the /home/mpt/hacking/lp/trivial section in your mail? | 03:14 |
| mpt | yes | 03:15 |
| mpt | That section is the entire file | 03:15 |
| mpt | I mean, what I included in the message is my entire branches.conf file | 03:16 |
| spiv | mpt: I don't see anything wrong there. | 03:18 |
| spiv | lifeless: ^ | 03:18 |
| spiv | lifeless: mpt is having issues with the pqm-submit plugin that I can't figure out. | 03:19 |
| spiv | mpt: you shouldn't get "not a branch", though. | 03:19 |
| spiv | mpt: in the meantime you could construct the PQM mail manually with, echo -e "star-merge $your_url $rocketfuel_url" | gnome-gpg --clearsign | mail -s "[r=foo] ..." pqm@... | 03:25 |
| mpt | ok, I'll try that, thanks | 03:31 |
| lifeless | mpt: what does pqm-submit show if you give it --dry-run | 03:36 |
| mpt | lifeless: If branches.conf includes the branch-specific info, --dry-run gives the output I posted to launchpad@ (trying to merge into bzr.dev). If branches.conf doesn't contain the branch-specific info, --dry-run gives me "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch" just like a wet run does. | 03:38 |
| mpt | So it's bug 55005 | 03:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55005 in bzr "After a bzr push --remember, bzr pqm-submit tries to merge to the wrong branch" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55005 | 03:39 |
| lifeless | mpt: pastebin please, there have been a number of messages and I want to see the current details | 03:40 |
| mpt | ok, one moment | 03:41 |
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| mpt | lifeless: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filenw7dkf.html | 03:45 |
| lifeless | ok | 03:46 |
| lifeless | now, remove that section from your config, and do another dry run | 03:46 |
| lifeless | look in ~/.bzr/log and there will be a backtrace | 03:46 |
| lifeless | pastebin that please | 03:46 |
| mpt | ok, it should still be there from the second part of the previous paste | 03:47 |
| lifeless | https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileUhr5I8.html ? | 03:47 |
| mpt | was that to me? | 03:48 |
| mpt | lifeless: oh, you meant ~/.bzr.log :-) | 03:49 |
| mpt | lifeless: It's 2.4 MB and taking an age to pastebin, shall I mail it instead? | 03:57 |
| spiv | mpt: there should be a backtrace at the end of the .bzr.log when it gives you that error, just pastebin the backtrace, rather than the whole log. | 03:58 |
| mpt | ahh | 03:58 |
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| mpt | lifeless: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileDBZTSP.html | 04:00 |
| lifeless | whats your branches.conf look like ? | 04:00 |
| mpt | https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileD40MaV.html | 04:01 |
| lifeless | well | 04:02 |
| lifeless | there is no branch called 'branch' | 04:02 |
| lifeless | in /home/warthogs/archives/mpt/launchpad | 04:02 |
| lifeless | on devpad | 04:02 |
| lifeless | what is your local branch called ? | 04:02 |
| mpt | "trivial" | 04:02 |
| lifeless | on your hard disk | 04:03 |
| mpt | yes | 04:03 |
| mpt | /home/mpt/hacking/lp/trivial | 04:03 |
| spiv | lifeless: /home/mpt/hacking/lp/trivial according to his bzr.log | 04:03 |
| spiv | (looking at 3rd line) | 04:03 |
| lifeless | ok | 04:03 |
| mpt | which is pushed to sftp://devpad.canonical.com/home/warthogs/archives/mpt/launchpad/trivial | 04:03 |
| lifeless | mpt: cd to /home/mpt/hacking/lp/trivial | 04:03 |
| lifeless | and run 'bzr inof' | 04:03 |
| lifeless | erm | 04:03 |
| lifeless | 'info' | 04:03 |
| lifeless | pastebin that | 04:03 |
| mpt | https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filevKv1t5.html | 04:04 |
| lifeless | ok | 04:09 |
| lifeless | theres no local repository for this branch | 04:09 |
| spiv | Ah. | 04:09 |
| lifeless | because of that, the repository heuristics in pqm-submit are failing | 04:09 |
| lifeless | spiv: can you take it from here ? (get mpt working like you do) | 04:09 |
| spiv | lifeless: yep | 04:10 |
| spiv | lifeless: thanks for the diagnosis | 04:10 |
| lifeless | danke | 04:10 |
| spiv | mpt: we need to create a repository in /home/mpt/hacking/lp to be shared between your launchpad branches, much like the one on sodium. | 04:11 |
| mpt | ah, I was meaning to get around to that anyway :-) | 04:12 |
| mpt | otherwise I'd run out of disk space in a couple of months | 04:12 |
| spiv | mpt: "bzr init-repo --trees /home/mpt/hacking/lp" will create it (and set it to build working trees by default). | 04:12 |
| mpt | thanks lifeless | 04:12 |
| spiv | mpt: then we need to make your launchpad branches use that repo :) | 04:12 |
| mpt | spiv: and that won't nuke the branches already in that directory? | 04:12 |
| spiv | mpt: init-repo by itself just makes a .bzr directory with a few basic control files in it. | 04:13 |
| mpt | ok | 04:13 |
| mpt | done | 04:13 |
| spiv | hmm, I think jamesh has a script to simplify this process slightly, just a sec. | 04:13 |
| mpt | spiv, or if the instructions on https://launchpad.canonical.com/WorkingWithSharedRepositories are still accurate, I can just follow that | 04:14 |
| spiv | Yeah, they probably are, I'll take a look. | 04:15 |
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| spiv | mpt: they seem ok, although I think they describe how to make a new directory structure for this rather using your existing one. | 04:16 |
| spiv | mpt: but I guess that's fine. | 04:17 |
| mpt | well, I'll start from "Adding branches to the Repositories" | 04:17 |
| spiv | mpt: sounds good. | 04:18 |
| mpt | ... after deleting my existing ./rocketfuel | 04:18 |
| spiv | mpt: well... | 04:18 |
| spiv | mpt: yeah, that's simplest :) | 04:19 |
| mpt | but, er | 04:19 |
| mpt | spiv, I don't see how ~/src comes into existence in those instructions | 04:19 |
| spiv | mpt: you rsync rocketfuel-built to somewhere local? | 04:20 |
| mpt | yes, /home/mpt/hacking/lp/rocketfuel :-) | 04:22 |
| spiv | ah. | 04:22 |
| mpt | (I guess I was right to rename it rather than deleting it...) | 04:22 |
| spiv | You probably didn't want to delete that, then :( | 04:22 |
| spiv | Ah, phew. | 04:22 |
| mpt | :-) | 04:22 |
| mpt | so, bzr branch ./rocketfuel.old -r 100 rocketfuel | 04:23 |
| spiv | So the stuff about pulling ~/src/rocketfuel-built doesn't really care about where you have a copy of rocketfuel, just that you have one somewhere. | 04:23 |
| mpt | right | 04:23 |
| mpt | spiv, is it ok to get several "Conflict adding file" warnings during those successive pulls? (the ones in the Python block) | 04:29 |
| spiv | mpt: that doesn't sound right. | 04:32 |
| spiv | mpt: but should be reasonably harmless, if you do a bzr revert it should tidy it up. | 04:32 |
| mpt | spiv: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileAaR2lE.html | 04:33 |
| mpt | it's ongoing | 04:33 |
| spiv | mpt: I'll see if I can reproduce that | 04:34 |
| spiv | Yep, I can, and with current bzr.dev too. | 04:37 |
| spiv | mpt: I'm pretty certain that's a bug in bzr (or perhaps in our launchpad revision history?), but once its done if you do a revert it should all be fine. | 04:40 |
| mpt | ok | 04:40 |
| spiv | mpt: (regardless of silliness in the working tree, the repository of revisions will be intact) | 04:41 |
| spiv | Hmm, that step would be much quicker if it was just a branch directory with no working tree. Ah well. | 04:42 |
| spiv | mpt: I'm off to lunch, but everything should be fine from there. | 04:42 |
| mpt | thanks spiv | 04:43 |
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| mpt | @#$%&! | 06:19 |
| spiv | mpt: ? | 06:19 |
| spiv | (you forgot to include a question mark in your punctuation ;) | 06:20 |
| mpt | hooray | 06:21 |
| mpt | After all that repositorying, I forgot about the original bug, and ended up trying to merge into bzr.dev again | 06:21 |
| mpt | So, the key is to never --remember until the bug is fixed | 06:22 |
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| carlos | danilos: hi, meeting time? | 09:59 |
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| danilos | carlos: ping | 10:10 |
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| sivang | morning matsubara | 10:12 |
| matsubara | morning sivang | 10:14 |
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| ddaa | Good morning. | 10:18 |
| sivang | hey ddaa | 10:21 |
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| carlos | stub: hi would be possible to force an staging DB update ? | 10:58 |
| stub | Sure. | 10:58 |
| carlos | stub: thanks | 10:59 |
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| SteveA | danilos, carlos, jordi: ping | 12:14 |
| danilos | SteveA: pong | 12:14 |
| carlos | SteveA: pong | 12:14 |
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| sivang | morning SteveA | 12:58 |
| SteveA | hi | 12:59 |
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| jamesh | carlos: I just replied to mpt's message about the 98-cocacknowledge.txt error -- the bug should be pretty easy to fix | 01:21 |
| carlos | jamesh: ok, let me see | 01:22 |
| mpt | yay | 01:22 |
| carlos | mpt: will you fix it ? or should I do it? | 01:22 |
| jamesh | mpt: it is a test that would only pass yesterday | 01:22 |
| mpt | Ah, so I was being punished for being too slow :-) | 01:23 |
| stub | timebomb | 01:23 |
| jamesh | which was quite convenient, since it was merged yesterday | 01:24 |
| mpt | carlos, I won't be able to fix it in the next 10 hours | 01:24 |
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| carlos | mpt: I will do it then | 01:24 |
| spiv | jamesh: ah, those good ol' "[trivial] " commits :) | 01:25 |
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| kgoetz | i just had a quick look and cant find a bug (but i'll ask if someone heres seen one): is there a bug open on marking support requests as dupes? i have 3 or 4 requests that can be marked as dupes, and it would save me linking all of them to the same 4 bug reports each time | 01:33 |
| jamesh | kgoetz: I don't think duplicate support requests are supported. You can link multiple requests to a single bug though | 01:37 |
| kgoetz | jamesh: thanks. perhaps i will file a bug on it then, linking to a bug to mark requests as dupes seems a bit unintutive | 01:39 |
| jamesh | kgoetz: when he comes on line, perhaps you could talk to flacoste | 01:41 |
| jamesh | kgoetz: he is working on the support tracker these days | 01:41 |
| kgoetz | ok. i'll just pm that to myself. thanks jamesh | 01:42 |
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| danilos | jamesh: hi, pushing from a branch of local shared repository to devpad shared repository is like really slow, is that normal? | 01:47 |
| danilos | jamesh: should I maybe rsync it instead? | 01:48 |
| LarstiQ | danilos: what format are they in? | 01:49 |
| LarstiQ | danilos: and how slow is slow? | 01:49 |
| danilos | LarstiQ: like taking 40 minutes already | 01:49 |
| LarstiQ | danilos: and how much are you pushing exactly? | 01:49 |
| danilos | LarstiQ: they are all in knit format | 01:49 |
| danilos | "how much" as in? | 01:50 |
| danilos | revisions? | 01:50 |
| LarstiQ | yeah | 01:50 |
| jamesh | danilos: whether the local branch is in a repo or not shouldn't make a difference | 01:50 |
| danilos | well, I only have one revision, but I need to push them all (so ~3800, but I thought those would be picked up from shared repo on devpad) | 01:51 |
| jamesh | danilos: maybe you could try creating a basis branch remotely to push to and see if that makes a difference | 01:51 |
| spiv | jamesh: (although if the local branch isn't in a repo the pqm-submit plugin will get confused) | 01:51 |
| LarstiQ | danilos: if those revisions actually are in the remote repo, yes. Otherwise you'll be pushing all of it | 01:52 |
| spiv | danilos: if those ~3800 already exist in the remote repo, then you're right, it should be pretty quick. | 01:52 |
| jamesh | danilos: i.e. ssh to devpad and run "bzr branch -r $REV_I_BRANCHED_FROM /home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/launchpad/devel $DEST" | 01:52 |
| danilos | jamesh: ok, I'll try that | 01:52 |
| spiv | danilos: It usually takes ~4 minutes for me to push changes for a launchpad branch (and ~8 min to push a new launchpad branch). | 01:52 |
| jamesh | spiv: new branch or existing branch? | 01:52 |
| danilos | well, it's been long since 8 minutes | 01:53 |
| jamesh | ah | 01:53 |
| spiv | jamesh: ~4 for existing, ~8 for new. | 01:53 |
| spiv | danilos: Right, it definitely sounds like something has gone wrong for you. | 01:53 |
| danilos | btw, should I do push from repo or working directory? | 01:53 |
| spiv | danilos: from the branch directory; you push branches rather than repos. | 01:54 |
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| spiv | Your repo on sodium seems to have rocketfuel in it already (I just checked the output of "bzr info /home/warthogs/archives/danilo/launchpad/") | 01:55 |
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| danilos | spiv: I meant repo/launchpad/branchname vs. work/launchpad/branchname (checkouts) | 01:56 |
| SteveA | spiv: "your repo on devpad" | 01:56 |
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| spiv | danilos: oh, right. I'm not sure, I have my checkouts in my branches. I wouldn't expect it to make a difference, but I'm not certain. | 01:56 |
| spiv | SteveA: that too ;) | 01:56 |
| ddaa | danilos: you just have to be in a bzrdir which has a branch, a repo or a checkout both have one | 01:57 |
| danilos | ddaa: ok, great to hear that it doesn't make a difference | 01:57 |
| ddaa | even light checkouts have a branch, it's effectively symlink | 01:57 |
| carlos | cprov: hi, around? | 01:57 |
| danilos | ddaa: yeah, I am talking of lightweight checkouts | 01:57 |
| cprov | carlos: yup | 01:57 |
| carlos | cprov: I'm getting a test error on distrorelease.txt | 01:58 |
| carlos | I did some changes there about translations | 01:58 |
| danilos | crap, bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock LockDir(/home/warthogs/archives/danilo/launchpad/.bzr/repository/lock) | 01:58 |
| spiv | danilos: you can only push one branch into a repository at a time. | 01:58 |
| mpt | danilos, are you pushing or pulling any other branch? You can't do more than one if you're using a repository | 01:58 |
| carlos | but the error is https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filerjBSP2.html | 01:59 |
| mpt | danilos, If not, bzr break-lock | 01:59 |
| carlos | cprov: I don't know how my changes could cause that error | 01:59 |
| cprov | carlos: looking ... | 01:59 |
| danilos | mpt: well, I cancelled one with C-c, so it probably didn't end up yet | 01:59 |
| carlos | cprov: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileDBItyM.html <- Full test | 01:59 |
| SteveA | and now it's time for... | 01:59 |
| SteveA | yet another launchpad development meeting | 02:00 |
| malcc | Yay | 02:00 |
| SteveA | GOOD MORNING! | 02:00 |
| SteveA | who's here? | 02:00 |
| malcc | me | 02:00 |
| mpt | me | 02:00 |
| matsubara | me | 02:00 |
| Kinnison | me | 02:00 |
| BjornT | me | 02:00 |
| spiv | me | 02:00 |
| Kinnison | (for the last time) | 02:00 |
| carlos | me | 02:00 |
| stub | me | 02:00 |
| ddaa | me | 02:00 |
| danilos | me | 02:00 |
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| bradb | me | 02:00 |
| cprov | me | 02:00 |
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| SteveA | kiko-zzz: ? | 02:00 |
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| stub | Agenda: | 02:01 |
| stub | * Roll call * Agenda * Next meeting * Activity reports * Actions from last meeting * Oops report (Matsubara) * Bug report report (mpt) * Production and staging (Stuart) * Launchpad 1.0 status reports * Sysadmin requests ---- * Python demo status update (James H) * Approving new bug tags (Brad) * Proper use of PendingReviews (Robert) * (other items) ---- * Keep, Bag, Change * Three sentences | 02:01 |
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| kiko-zzz | morning | 02:01 |
| stub | Next meeting same bat time, same bat channel? | 02:01 |
| salgado | me | 02:01 |
| stub | Any objections? | 02:02 |
| stub | 5 | 02:02 |
| stub | 4 | 02:02 |
| stub | 3 | 02:02 |
| mpt | I'll be in transit | 02:02 |
| stub | excused | 02:02 |
| stub | 2 | 02:02 |
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| mpt | Sic transit, gloria Thursday | 02:02 |
| stub | 1 | 02:02 |
| ddaa | I'll be on vacation | 02:02 |
| stub | Ok two down, but enough to keep the meeting for next week same day/time/channel | 02:02 |
| stub | Activity reports. Who is up to date? | 02:02 |
| stub | me | 02:03 |
| kiko | me | 02:03 |
| spiv | me | 02:03 |
| ddaa | me | 02:03 |
| BjornT | me | 02:03 |
| flacoste | me | 02:03 |
| SteveA | not me (I have been sprinting) | 02:03 |
| matsubara | i'm not | 02:03 |
| danilos | me | 02:03 |
| bradb | me, after sending yesterday's right now... | 02:03 |
| malcc | merriam, summary | 02:03 |
| carlos | I'm not... | 02:03 |
| mpt | not up to date | 02:03 |
| danilos | (but summarized last week) | 02:03 |
| salgado | I'm not | 02:03 |
| malcc | me | 02:03 |
| malcc | summary | 02:03 |
| malcc | (auto-complete madness) | 02:03 |
| stub | james is excused due to sprinting this week | 02:03 |
| Kinnison | malcc: fairly mad yes | 02:03 |
| cprov | me | 02:04 |
| stub | Thanks for getting back on track danilos | 02:04 |
| ddaa | malcc: merry auto-complete | 02:04 |
| Kinnison | I'm not up to date | 02:04 |
| stub | And Bjorn | 02:04 |
| stub | Kinnison: Should we expect activity reports between now and you heading off? | 02:04 |
| jamesh | me | 02:04 |
| jamesh | I'm not up to date | 02:04 |
| Kinnison | stub: Given it's today and tomorrow, it seems unlikely | 02:05 |
| stub | :-) | 02:05 |
| spiv | Kinnison: what about after? ;) | 02:05 |
| Kinnison | spiv: For that, you'll have to watch my blog | 02:05 |
| stub | Action items from last meeting | 02:05 |
| Kinnison | (ooer) | 02:05 |
| stub | * mpt to mail kiko, CCing the list, when [https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneHighlights MaloneHighlights] screenshots are done * malcc, cprov, to document Soyuz bug tags * mpt and bradb to work together on Launchpad bug tags | 02:05 |
| stub | MaloneHghlights is cool | 02:05 |
| kiko | mpt did that. I don't think soyuz stuff was done | 02:05 |
| === LarstiQ seconds stub | ||
| mpt | I did the screenshots and mailed the list, but didn't work with bradb | 02:06 |
| malcc | cprov did some work on the Soyuz tags, but it's been another crazy week in Soyuz land, I don't know if it got finished | 02:06 |
| bradb | there was no work that i know of that mpt and i needed to do with bug tags | 02:06 |
| cprov | kiko: it's not, we need to sort that product deletion first. | 02:06 |
| stub | So do we have soyuz bug tags and general Launchpad bug tags documented somewhere? Or is it still pending | 02:06 |
| kiko | stub, LaunchpadTagUsage or something | 02:07 |
| bradb | https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs | 02:07 |
| stub | malcc, cprov: Is that suitable for soyuz too? | 02:07 |
| stub | oops, ui, timeout seems to not be particularly comprehensive for soyuz | 02:08 |
| stub | So it should remain an action item? malcc, cprov? | 02:08 |
| cprov | stub: not really, we need to decide if we will contribute or not with project-wide tags, except "ui" | 02:08 |
| cprov | stub: yes, please, we will sort it at some point this week | 02:09 |
| stub | ok. Two done, one to go. | 02:09 |
| stub | OOps report with our host Matsubara... | 02:09 |
| matsubara | Today's oops report is about bug 44860 which is up for review on kiko's queue. kiko would you be able to answer that today so danilos can merge it? | 02:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44860 in rosetta "Crash when we try to pass a query string to a POFile that doesn't exist yet." [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44860 | 02:09 |
| kiko | matsubara, I reviewed it last night, will send out today | 02:09 |
| matsubara | thanks kiko | 02:10 |
| matsubara | Also danilos and kiko, you guys are taking care of the +translate page time out (bug 30602), aren't you? | 02:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 | 02:10 |
| danilos | matsubara: yeah, I'm working on 30602 | 02:10 |
| matsubara | okie danilos thanks. I'm done stub | 02:10 |
| danilos | matsubara: I have some ideas to test when staging is refreshed | 02:10 |
| kiko | sorta | 02:10 |
| stub | Ok. On to bug reports with mpt. | 02:11 |
| matsubara | danilos: great. let's talk about it after the meeting. | 02:11 |
| mpt | There are 14 Critical bugs known in Launchpad. Today we're looking at the oldest 6 of them: | 02:11 |
| mpt | * Bug #2497 (/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators), Confirmed, Critical, kiko | 02:11 |
| mpt | kiko, how's it going? | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2497 in rosetta "/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2497 | 02:11 |
| danilos | matsubara: ok | 02:11 |
| mpt | * Bug #30602 (ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate), Confirmed, Critical, danilos | 02:11 |
| mpt | That was already discussed in the Oops report | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 | 02:11 |
| mpt | * Bug #31038 (private), Fix Committed, Critical, cprov | 02:11 |
| mpt | Well done cprov! Remember to verify it after the next rollout | 02:11 |
| mpt | * Bug #31609 (buildd maintainers need to be informed of build failures), | 02:11 |
| mpt | In Progress, Critical, cprov | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31609 in soyuz "buildd maintainers need to be informed of build failures" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31609 | 02:11 |
| kiko | mpt, stub offered to help | 02:11 |
| mpt | * Bug #35965 (exceptions in process-upload not communicated to uploader), Confirmed, Critical, malcc | 02:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35965 in soyuz "exceptions in process-upload not communicated to uploader" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35965 | 02:12 |
| cprov | mpt: sure, tks | 02:12 |
| mpt | * Bug #31308 (Cannot set branch associated to a product series), Confirmed, Critical, waiting until lifeless finishes bzr work | 02:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31308 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot set branch associated to a product series" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31308 | 02:12 |
| mpt | malcc, are you making progress on 35965? | 02:12 |
| stub | kiko: Poke me after please. I think I have an email to respond to on that. | 02:12 |
| malcc | mpt: process-upload is strewn across my desk in parts at the moment, in the form of my process-upload-tidy branch, which is in review | 02:12 |
| kiko | stub, sure | 02:13 |
| malcc | mpt: I need to land that first before I start making more changes to the same code | 02:13 |
| mpt | ok | 02:13 |
| ddaa | 31308: braindumped some spec on the ML, waiting for sabdfl feedback, as I think a schema change would make it much simpler. | 02:13 |
| mpt | Since that was so quick we'll do a couple more | 02:13 |
| mpt | * Bug #44860 (Crash when we try to pass a query string to a POFile that doesn't exist yet), In Progress, Critical, danilos | 02:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44860 in rosetta "Crash when we try to pass a query string to a POFile that doesn't exist yet." [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44860 | 02:13 |
| mpt | danilos, any blockers? | 02:13 |
| mpt | * Bug #48860 ("Also notified" makes difficult to unsubscribe), Confirmed, Critical, bradb | 02:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 48860 in malone ""Also notified" makes difficult to unsubscribe" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48860 | 02:13 |
| mpt | bradb, have you worked out how to fix that one yet? :-) | 02:13 |
| danilos | mpt: nope, this one is waiting for kiko's review (just test changes and improvements) | 02:13 |
| matsubara | that's the one which will be sorted today | 02:13 |
| ddaa | In effect, the schema change would ack that vcs-import != productseries and allow the vcs-import branch to be different from the productseries branch | 02:13 |
| bradb | mpt: haven't even thought about it | 02:14 |
| mpt | danilos, great | 02:14 |
| kiko | danilos, I reviewed it yesterday so it will go out today | 02:14 |
| bradb | i have some ideas that i'll think through further when i get time | 02:14 |
| danilos | kiko: ah, ok, great, thanks :) | 02:14 |
| mpt | bradb, kiko said it doesn't involve reintroducing ignore subscriptions, but just quietly I think it might :-) | 02:14 |
| mpt | anyway, that's all SteveA | 02:14 |
| bradb | mpt: heh | 02:14 |
| kiko | mpt, it's easy to fix that one -- make it unsubscribe the user from whatever bug his subscription comes from. | 02:14 |
| mpt | ddaa, are you able to take over 31308? | 02:14 |
| kiko | mpt, that doesn't require an ignore subscription. | 02:15 |
| kiko | (which is an aberration) | 02:15 |
| mpt | But then if the bug gets reopened, he's marooned | 02:15 |
| mpt | anyway | 02:15 |
| SteveA | mpt meant "that's all stub" | 02:15 |
| mpt | this is not a design meeting | 02:15 |
| kiko | mpt, that's too bad. | 02:15 |
| mpt | Sorry, yes, that's all stub | 02:15 |
| bradb | kiko: have to consider the "Also notified" case of being a bug contact | 02:15 |
| SteveA | I like the colour maroon, fwiw | 02:15 |
| stub | Production and staging (this week LIVE!) | 02:15 |
| ddaa | mpt: I have effectively taken it, at least until the design is settled. | 02:15 |
| kiko | bradb, he can't unsubscribe. next question. :) | 02:15 |
| stub | Staging is still not autoupdating. Blocked on RT605 I think, which should really be simple. | 02:15 |
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| stub | We have discovered why passing through Host: headers to the production systems would screw up the vhosting. It was working on staging because not all the vhosts were getting the header passed through. | 02:16 |
| stub | (We will hopefully fix that today) | 02:16 |
| stub | We are currently working out ways to avoid downtime for rosetta translations for dapper and edgy. This discussion is ongoing. | 02:17 |
| SteveA | salgado: we'll be looking at making shipit use the new vhosting stuff | 02:17 |
| stub | I think that is all. Questions on my gibberish? | 02:17 |
| SteveA | salgado: testing on staging first | 02:18 |
| salgado | SteveA, cool! | 02:18 |
| SteveA | so, some time from salagdo/matsubara to test this on staging will be appreciated | 02:18 |
| SteveA | before we roll it out | 02:18 |
| sivang | hrm, is the meeting now? | 02:18 |
| SteveA | hi sivan | 02:18 |
| stub | staging will be brought back up after the meeting, as the db update is now done | 02:18 |
| sivang | re SteveA | 02:18 |
| SteveA | the meeting is at the same time each week! :-) | 02:18 |
| stub | * Launchpad 1.0 status reports | 02:18 |
| carlos | sivang: every Thursday at 12:00 UTC | 02:18 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:SteveA] : Developer meeting: Thu 17 Aug, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| danilos | Rosetta 1.0: | 02:19 |
| danilos | - firefox import/export: stalled for bug-fixing (good progress previously) | 02:19 |
| danilos | - oo import/export: blocked on firefox | 02:19 |
| danilos | - translation review: carlos to start on today | 02:19 |
| SteveA | and also... opening edgy | 02:19 |
| SteveA | that's important, so really should be a spec | 02:19 |
| danilos | hum, haven't thought about it that way | 02:19 |
| SteveA | with our latest plan in there | 02:19 |
| kiko | indeed I have no idea what's going on there. | 02:19 |
| SteveA | it's a big chunk of work | 02:19 |
| danilos | carlos, care to create one? | 02:20 |
| SteveA | kiko: I'll fill you in after the meeting | 02:20 |
| SteveA | but i think a spec will be good, anyway | 02:20 |
| SteveA | and make this a 1.0 feature, critical | 02:20 |
| sivang | SteveA: right, it's even in the topic - I just had to run off for some real life stuff, and lost track of time. bad sivang! | 02:20 |
| danilos | SteveA: sure, lets just try not to get lost in this | 02:20 |
| SteveA | thanks danilos | 02:21 |
| stub | Malone? Soyuz? | 02:21 |
| cprov | kiko: I suppose will be sorting Soyuz-1.0 porperly in the sprint, is that ok or do you want a braindump before it | 02:21 |
| kiko | danilos, it's more likely you'll get lost without a spec. :) | 02:21 |
| carlos | - opening edgy to translations: code in place, planning the script run and blocked on adding a 'read only' mode for Rosetta | 02:21 |
| cprov | properly .... | 02:21 |
| danilos | kiko: nah, I am thinking of getting lost in all the things we've got to do :) | 02:21 |
| bradb | Malone 1.0: release management considered harmful (still at least a few hours of UI fixes left), guided bug filing halted around 40% of the way right now | 02:22 |
| === SteveA wonders if bradb has a laggy connection | ||
| stub | bored now | 02:23 |
| bradb | oh, and writing the help doc is blocked on the above | 02:23 |
| kiko | there is more malone work... | 02:23 |
| kiko | cprov, go over what the current status is, regardless | 02:23 |
| kiko | flacoste? | 02:24 |
| BjornT | More Malone 1.0: simple bug keywords - almost done. keeping bugs concise - almost done | 02:24 |
| flacoste | Question Tracker 1.0 | 02:24 |
| flacoste | - New workflow (search before creation in review, rest is stalled pending | 02:24 |
| flacoste | further review of the spec by Kiko) | 02:24 |
| flacoste | - New views (pending implementation of new workflow) | 02:24 |
| flacoste | - Karma in the question tracker (???) | 02:24 |
| flacoste | - Localization (not started) | 02:24 |
| cprov | anyway, Soyuz 1.0, will basically consists of establishment of current infrastructure, performance imporvements, specially in publisher land and PPA | 02:24 |
| bradb | <suckage>next week, i'll make sure to ask BjornT beforehand, and have the report paste-ready</suckage> | 02:24 |
| flacoste | actually, Karma assignment in the question tracker is implemented as of yesterday | 02:24 |
| kiko | cprov, we know what it will consist of. what's the current status. :) | 02:24 |
| BjornT | stub, kiko: btw, what exactly are these status updates supposed to contain, apart from what's available at 1.0/+specs? | 02:25 |
| SteveA | Localization? | 02:25 |
| cprov | right, PPA have been discussed a lot, good progress in spec, has mark approval | 02:25 |
| stub | BjornT: I have no idea. I only work here. | 02:25 |
| flacoste | SteveA: that's an approved spec for the question tracker | 02:25 |
| SteveA | flacoste: what do you mean by Localization? | 02:25 |
| kiko | BjornT, a progress report, essentially. | 02:25 |
| flacoste | SteveA: ability to post a question and get it answered in a non-English language | 02:25 |
| kiko | cprov, no, PPA is in a shambles -- no progress so far at all! | 02:25 |
| flacoste | SteveA: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker/+spec/localized-support | 02:26 |
| BjornT | kiko: isn't the +specs page enough for that? did you send an email about this? | 02:26 |
| salgado | SteveA, https://launchpad.canonical.com/LocalizedSupportRequests | 02:26 |
| kiko | BjornT, there was a meeting topic about it last week. and no, the specs page is not enough -- this is to talk about how it's going, what's hard, what's not, etc. | 02:26 |
| cprov | kiko: several critical bugs fixed and good performance improvement in cron.daily, we are saved up to 15 minutes in average (currently under 30 minutes most of the times) | 02:26 |
| kiko | cprov, yeah. good work! | 02:27 |
| kiko | SteveA, infrastructure/launchpad 1.0? | 02:27 |
| BjornT | kiko: well, <SteveA> kiko: yep. let's discuss the format later and try it next week. <SteveA> we'll mail out something early next week | 02:27 |
| SteveA | flacoste: we already have a spec on localizing launchpad. | 02:27 |
| cprov | kiko: even if it's not implemented yet, i think it's worth to mention that we have a established plan for PPA, finally ;) | 02:27 |
| SteveA | flacoste: I don't see a mention of that in the support tracker spec | 02:27 |
| kiko | cprov, we don't AFAIK. since when? | 02:27 |
| kiko | SteveA, it's just a special case for the support tracker. | 02:27 |
| SteveA | flacoste: I also find it surprising that the spec involves adding launchpad infrastructure, yet hasn't had a review by the infrastructure team | 02:28 |
| cprov | kiko: ehe, since last meeting from malcc & mark | 02:28 |
| kiko | cprov, yesterday? :) | 02:28 |
| SteveA | kiko: it talks about localizing the application | 02:28 |
| cprov | kiko: yes | 02:28 |
| SteveA | kiko: and internationalizing it is needed before localizing, surely | 02:28 |
| kiko | SteveA, ask me after the meeting | 02:28 |
| SteveA | kiko: ok. phone call after the meeting | 02:28 |
| kiko | IRC | 02:28 |
| SteveA | nope | 02:28 |
| SteveA | gotta lunch | 02:28 |
| kiko | then email | 02:28 |
| SteveA | nope | 02:28 |
| SteveA | too busy, won't read | 02:28 |
| === kiko shrugs | ||
| cprov | kiko: nothing special changed, but we don't have any blockers, which is very good, IMO | 02:28 |
| SteveA | and we need a catchup | 02:28 |
| kiko | next week then. | 02:28 |
| SteveA | before the call tomorrow | 02:29 |
| stub | Are we done on 1.0 status reports? | 02:29 |
| stub | If so, * Sysadmin requests | 02:29 |
| stub | RT 605 from memory | 02:29 |
| danilos | #14579 (VoIP: in its third week so far) | 02:29 |
| stub | Which needs rocketfuel-built mirrored to asuka at a minimum (2nd or third week) | 02:30 |
| stub | 5 | 02:30 |
| stub | 4 | 02:30 |
| stub | 3 | 02:30 |
| stub | 2 | 02:30 |
| stub | 1 | 02:30 |
| kiko | 0 | 02:31 |
| stub | James says * Python demo status update (James H)n isn't needed | 02:31 |
| stub | * Approving new bug tags (Brad) | 02:31 |
| bradb | https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs | 02:31 |
| stub | Anything to add that isn't on the wiki page? | 02:31 |
| bradb | there are more tags for review and approval | 02:31 |
| bradb | not from me right now | 02:32 |
| kiko | I thought a bit about this yesterday | 02:32 |
| kiko | which is why I proposed the codeofconduct and rosetta-imports tags | 02:32 |
| kiko | there are a lot of bugs that should be categorized like this | 02:33 |
| SteveA | ok | 02:33 |
| stub | search seems a bit vague | 02:33 |
| SteveA | I'm +1 on rosetta-imports | 02:33 |
| kiko | my question is: should we group "categories" or "components" using tags as well. | 02:33 |
| danilos | +1 on rosetta-imports | 02:33 |
| SteveA | I'm +1 on CoC (although, maybe it should be a product... :-/ ) | 02:33 |
| mpt | In most applications that use tags, the way to get them approved is to start using them | 02:33 |
| carlos | rosetta-imports++ | 02:34 |
| mpt | Perhaps the approval process should be replaced by the ability to combine two tags into one? | 02:34 |
| matsubara | xmlrpc sounds useful, I can think of a couple of bugs that could use it. | 02:34 |
| ddaa | mpt++ | 02:34 |
| SteveA | and I'm +1 on cleanup | 02:34 |
| ddaa | less worflow, more forgiving ui, please | 02:34 |
| === bradb would find cleanup and trivial useful | ||
| SteveA | I'm dubious about "search" | 02:34 |
| danilos | mpt: and maybe even renaming tags? | 02:34 |
| mpt | danilos, sure | 02:35 |
| SteveA | I'd likek to see examples for the others before I give my own approval for them | 02:35 |
| stub | Open a spec or wishlist item on merging and renaming tags if people want that. | 02:35 |
| kiko | yeah. | 02:35 |
| danilos | I'd be +1 for trivial as well | 02:35 |
| SteveA | next week, and let's see some examples before then | 02:36 |
| stub | Onto * Other items | 02:36 |
| stub | Other items anyone? | 02:36 |
| stub | 6 | 02:36 |
| jamesh | LaunchpadFormView | 02:36 |
| stub | 5 | 02:36 |
| === stub hands James the mic | ||
| jamesh | This is the stuff me and BjornT were working on last week | 02:37 |
| jamesh | it is a new base class for developing forms, as a replacement for GeneralFormView and the other form view classes | 02:37 |
| danilos | jamesh: ah, nice, any API docs somewhere? | 02:38 |
| sivang | jamesh: flacoste noted it could make it easier to have custom error messages per invalidated input on Choice() ? | 02:38 |
| jamesh | It provides a cleaner api, and has a few new features (multiple submit buttons, customising submit button labels, etc) | 02:38 |
| jamesh | there is some docs in lib/canonical/launchpad/doc/launchpadform.txt | 02:38 |
| jamesh | at this point we'd like people writing new forms to try and use LaunchpadFormView | 02:39 |
| mpt | yay for custom labels | 02:39 |
| jamesh | but eventually we'd like to move all the forms over | 02:39 |
| SteveA | we're working on some better widget stuff here in london at the moment | 02:39 |
| SteveA | but that's not finished yet | 02:39 |
| jamesh | There will be a few more features being added in the future | 02:39 |
| danilos | jamesh: cool, thanks for that, I'll certainly look into it | 02:39 |
| SteveA | reviewers: please note that new forms should use the new LaunchpadFormView stuff | 02:40 |
| danilos | well, and thanks to BjornT as well :) | 02:40 |
| ddaa | Good to know, I'm dusting off some old web ui work now. I'll hold back the form improvements, | 02:40 |
| jamesh | in my branch I've got support for overriding a widget's error message, and setting initial form focus without the tabindex problems we've currently got | 02:40 |
| flacoste | jamesh: so that hasn't landed yet? | 02:40 |
| jamesh | flacoste: those two improvements I listed above haven't, no. | 02:40 |
| jamesh | flacoste: should go in soon though. | 02:40 |
| BjornT | SteveA: is there a spec/notes on the new widget stuff? | 02:41 |
| SteveA | we're writing them now | 02:41 |
| SteveA | so, not up yet | 02:41 |
| BjornT | ok | 02:41 |
| jamesh | that's about it. If you have problems with the new infrastructure, mail the list, file a bug or ping me or Bjorn on IRC | 02:41 |
| mpt | Can/should make check include a countdown on the number of forms still using the old *FormViews? | 02:41 |
| stub | * Keep, Bag, Change | 02:41 |
| stub | 7 | 02:41 |
| stub | 6 | 02:42 |
| stub | 5 | 02:42 |
| stub | 4 | 02:42 |
| stub | 3 | 02:42 |
| ddaa | CHANGE: move vcs-import data out of ProductSeries | 02:42 |
| flacoste | jamesh: what about AddView and EditView... maybe after the meeting | 02:42 |
| stub | 2 | 02:42 |
| stub | 1 | 02:42 |
| bradb | change: weekly tag approval | 02:42 |
| SteveA | bradb: talk with me later about what you'd like to change | 02:42 |
| jamesh | flacoste: talk after meeting | 02:42 |
| SteveA | specifically | 02:42 |
| bradb | SteveA: ok | 02:42 |
| stub | ddaa: Is that something for your Monday meeting? | 02:43 |
| SteveA | ddaa: raise that in monday' s meeting | 02:43 |
| ddaa | ok | 02:43 |
| stub | * Three sentences | 02:43 |
| malcc | DONE: Landed bug 54039, process-upload-tidy review response, drescher rollout (+bug 55877), finished handover with Kinnison, met with Mark, initial PPA planning. | 02:44 |
| malcc | TODO: PPA. PPA. PPA. Land process-upload-tidy, then bug 35965. | 02:44 |
| malcc | BLOCKED: No. | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54039 in soyuz "Broken release files in unchanged pockets" [Critical,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54039 | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55877 in soyuz "cron.daily tickling mirrors before cleaning up" [Critical,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55877 | 02:44 |
| mpt | DONE: bug fixes, MaloneHighlights artwork, set up local repository | 02:44 |
| mpt | TODO: travel to London, Launchpad sprint, travel to Vilnius | 02:44 |
| mpt | BLOCKED: bug 55005 is annoying; terrorists | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35965 in soyuz "exceptions in process-upload not communicated to uploader" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35965 | 02:44 |
| flacoste | DONE IBugLinkTargets now use a selection to remove bugs. Switch to a new | 02:44 |
| flacoste | laptop. Started adding search to link bug UI. | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55005 in bzr "After a bzr push --remember, bzr pqm-submit tries to merge to the wrong branch" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55005 | 02:44 |
| danilos | DONE: worked on bug 30602 (taking a lot of my time), (attempts at) pqm-submit 1788 | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 | 02:44 |
| sivang | DONE: Sent 2 patches to Kiko, one [trivial] for fixing some instructions caption on blueprint's +addspec - landed, and another waiting to be merged fixing malone #52038. | 02:44 |
| flacoste | TODO Enjoy the beach at Cape Cod | 02:44 |
| danilos | TODO: bug 30602, put bug 2237 on review, pqm-submit 44860, finish firefox import | 02:44 |
| danilos | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| matsubara | DONE: sprint, new oops format spec, new format for oops report analysis together with james | 02:44 |
| matsubara | TODO: finish the spec on the new oops format, implement the parser for it. | 02:44 |
| matsubara | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52038 in blueprint "Please rename "Braindump" state to "New"" [Wishlist,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52038 | 02:44 |
| flacoste | BLOCKED Waiting for kiko's review of SupportTrackerSpec and tt-search/nl | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 | 02:44 |
| sivang | TODO: Crunch more important bugs, specifically with interest in helping bradb with UI fixes as much as I can, mind some mentoring and showing around. | 02:44 |
| BjornT | DONE: code reviews. various work on bug tags. code reviews. | 02:44 |
| bradb | DONE: Release management, some bug fixes, improving Upstream status filter options. | 02:44 |
| BjornT | TODO: finish up the bug tags stuff. start on bug forwarding workflow. | 02:44 |
| flacoste | -query branch | 02:44 |
| BjornT | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2237 in rosetta "Preferred languages (and link to change them) twice on translation template page" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2237 | 02:44 |
| Kinnison | DONE: last bits of handover, verifying branch status for malcc, writing of archive-checker design document for malcc, unsubbing from bugs etc. | 02:44 |
| sivang | BLOCKED: none | 02:44 |
| bradb | TODO: Put release management up for review. | 02:44 |
| cprov | DONE: commiting soyuz/+spec/overrides-consistency-check (archive-tools), bug fixes for #31038 (dup uploads check, queue-ui), bug #54649 (supporting custom uploads in queue tool, small-fixes), soyuz rollout (3823, 3824, 3825, 3835, 3837, 3848,3855, 3875), PPA & ArchiveRework specification update, Soyuz Metting (VOIP), code reviews. | 02:44 |
| cprov | TODO: PPA (support for PPA in poppy), get code reviewed and merge old fixes | 02:44 |
| cprov | BLOCKED: None | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54649 in soyuz "queue tool accept/reject actions don't support custom formats" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54649 | 02:44 |
| jamesh | DONE: sprint (Vilnius and London), LaunchpadFormView work, clean up OOPS analysis scripts with matsubara | 02:44 |
| jamesh | TODO: finish London sprint, code reviews, dyson fix | 02:44 |
| jamesh | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| Kinnison | TODO: Finish polish of document, unsub from lists, last few bugs, specs etc, any last minute HRness which may turn up. | 02:44 |
| bradb | BLOCKED: No. | 02:44 |
| spiv | DONE: Holiday! Progress on bzr smart server. Reviews. | 02:44 |
| spiv | TODO: Reviews. bzr smart server. | 02:44 |
| spiv | BLOCKED: no. | 02:44 |
| ddaa | DONE: tweak branch table, importd-bzr-upgrade, importd-publish-source | 02:44 |
| ddaa | TODO: rollout importd-bzr-upgrade, more importd-publish-source (bug 37897), extend $branch/+edit (bug 51130). | 02:44 |
| ddaa | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37897 in launchpad-bazaar "renaming project, product or series breaks vcs imports" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37897 | 02:44 |
| Kinnison | BLOCKED: No | 02:44 |
| stub | DONE: Sprint | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51130 in launchpad-bazaar "cannot rename a branch I own" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51130 | 02:44 |
| stub | TODO: Sprint | 02:44 |
| stub | BLOCKED: Sprint | 02:44 |
| SteveA | DONE: sprints, meetings | 02:44 |
| salgado | DONE: Implemented SupportTrackerKarma, code review, lots of random fixes | 02:44 |
| salgado | TODO: Get my branches reviewed and land them, lots of code review, more random fixes | 02:44 |
| salgado | BLOCKED: No | 02:44 |
| SteveA | TODO: sprints, meetings | 02:44 |
| SteveA | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| kiko | DONE: fix CoC workflow, launchpad reports, catching up, reviews | 02:44 |
| kiko | TODO: more reviews, more fixing of CoC workflow | 02:44 |
| kiko | BLOCKED: no | 02:44 |
| carlos | DONE: vacations, migrate translations, XaraLX deletions, pending mail, user support | 02:44 |
| carlos | TODO: Add a way to put Rosetta in read only mode, start TranslationReviews spec, finish catching up with email | 02:45 |
| carlos | BLOCKED: no | 02:45 |
| SteveA | kiko: we can shorten that to "CoCFlow" | 02:45 |
| kiko | not if we want to keep this channel PG-13 | 02:45 |
| === niemeyer hopes kiko fixes his coc workflow by himself | ||
| sivang | kiko: heh | 02:45 |
| stub | Done! Go home! | 02:45 |
| carlos | ;-) | 02:45 |
| SteveA | thanks stu | 02:45 |
| SteveA | and an on-time meeting too! | 02:46 |
| kiko | niemeyer, CoC signing workflow | 02:46 |
| === malcc -> Lunch | ||
| === carlos -> lunch | ||
| jamesh | kiko: that doesn't sound much better :) | 02:46 |
| niemeyer | stub: I hope I manage to do that on saturday | 02:46 |
| carlos | cprov: I will have lunch now. Could we talk when I'm back? | 02:46 |
| kiko | jamesh, it wasn't meant to :) | 02:46 |
| cprov | carlos: ohh, ok | 02:46 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: does the signing result in a CoC ring of trust? | 02:47 |
| stub | A CoC ring? | 02:47 |
| === Kinnison decides to go for lunch | ||
| jamesh | flacoste: re: AddViews and EditViews, we included a LaunchpadEditFormView class that includes a helper that implements most of the boilerplate found in the action method | 02:48 |
| === bradb decides to shower | ||
| jamesh | flacoste: we didn't see much benefit in a separate AddView given the way the forms are used in most of Launchpad | 02:48 |
| mpt | LarstiQ, this reminds me of Microsoft's Customer Update and Notification Tool | 02:48 |
| jamesh | flacoste: of course, I'm open to suggestions if you disagree | 02:49 |
| flacoste | jamesh: so you don't intend to convert most LaunchpadAddView to form? | 02:49 |
| LarstiQ | mpt: heh | 02:49 |
| jamesh | flacoste: the intent would be to convert most AddView style forms to LaunchpadFormView directly | 02:49 |
| jamesh | flacoste: rather than having a separate base class for them | 02:50 |
| flacoste | jamesh: nah, I think that for simple cases LaunchpadAddView and LaunchpadEditView are fine, if you need anything more fancy, you would use LaunchpadEditView directly | 02:50 |
| flacoste | jamesh: ok | 02:50 |
| jamesh | flacoste: the LaunchpadEditFormView just makes sure the fields get filled in with values from the context, and provides a method to apply the changes to the context and sends an SQLObjectModifiedEvent | 02:51 |
| jamesh | flacoste: (note that SQLObjectModifiedEvent is not really specific to SQLObject) | 02:52 |
| flacoste | jamesh: ok, i'll take a closer look at LaunchpadFormView as it landed in RF and send you my comments | 02:53 |
| SteveA | flacoste: I'd like to talk with you later about the i18n stuff | 02:53 |
| flacoste | jamesh: I've already started using formlib for some forms, so I'll probably have to convert them to LaunchpadEditView | 02:53 |
| flacoste | SteveA: anytime you want | 02:53 |
| salgado | SteveA, flacoste, I'd like to join this conversation, please | 02:53 |
| jamesh | flacoste: that'd be good. Makes it easier to roll out improvements that affect all forms. | 02:54 |
| flacoste | SteveA: yeah, salgado is the assignee for that spec | 02:54 |
| SteveA | ok. we in london are going for lunch now. | 02:54 |
| SteveA | but also, please look up the existing launchpad i18n spec | 02:54 |
| flacoste | SteveA: what's the name? | 02:54 |
| SteveA | we shouldn't reinvent things that have already been analyzed here | 02:54 |
| SteveA | can't remember | 02:54 |
| SteveA | but also also, please mail the launchapd list when there's infrastructure-like work going on | 02:54 |
| SteveA | so that we can get communication going about these things | 02:54 |
| SteveA | I'd hate for us to end up solving i18n in two or more different ways | 02:55 |
| flacoste | SteveA: copy that | 02:55 |
| === danilos -> lunch | ||
| salgado | https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadI18n | 02:55 |
| flacoste | SteveA: (that's 24H slang in case you didn't know which kind of means got it) | 02:55 |
| SteveA | I thought it meant "go to kinkos" | 02:56 |
| SteveA | but, cool anyway :-) | 02:56 |
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| salgado | spiv, around? | 03:48 |
| kiko | salgado, thanks | 03:48 |
| salgado | hey kiko, you didn't forget that shipit review, did you? | 03:48 |
| spiv | salgado: yep | 03:49 |
| salgado | spiv, I have two small branches on your queue (I guess you've noticed them already :-); any idea when you'll have time to review them? | 03:49 |
| spiv | salgado: Let's see... I'm about half-way through the mirror-management diff, so tomorrow definitely, maybe even tonight. | 03:51 |
| spiv | salgado: support-tracker-karma doesn't look too involved, so probably tomorrow for it too. | 03:53 |
| salgado | spiv, cool, thanks! | 03:53 |
| spiv | salgado: when are you going to review my one-liner that's been in your queue for *12* days? :) | 03:53 |
| salgado | oh, crap. I forgot it. sorry | 03:54 |
| salgado | I need help to review that. (I guess it's the posix shell branch, right?) | 03:54 |
| sabdfl | kiko: what do you think about having a way for users to "tell us what they want to do" when they are stuck, and for us to use that question: | 03:55 |
| spiv | salgado: right. | 03:55 |
| sabdfl | a) to search an FAQ database and try to give them a good anser, and | 03:55 |
| spiv | salgado: I'm no shell expert either, which is why I didn't just [trivial] it :) | 03:55 |
| sabdfl | b) to keep track of the places people get stuck in LP so we can improve the pages for those scenarios? | 03:55 |
| sabdfl | i'm thinking we could store those questions together with the page-template name that rendered the page, so we could review those every month or so and see where people are getting stuck on a particular page | 03:56 |
| spiv | salgado: feel free to punt it back the rejected queue if you can't do it (or don't want to find an shell arcana expert to consult). | 03:56 |
| kiko | sabdfl, well, tickets, bugs and unused features are usually an indication of what parts of launchpad are unclear, and we have plenty of input from there | 03:56 |
| salgado | spiv, I'll try to find an expert first | 03:56 |
| kiko | sabdfl, for instance, my current CoC work is being done after triaging tickets and bugs on the subject and realizing how arcane the procedure was | 03:57 |
| kiko | sabdfl, I could list of the top of my head another 5-10 areas that need similar work done | 03:57 |
| sabdfl | understood, and that's good work | 03:57 |
| sabdfl | but once we have the system basically tuned, i think it would still be a cunning plan | 03:57 |
| sabdfl | users would be searching for HOWTO's or tips or FAQ's | 03:57 |
| kiko | sabdfl, what sort of UI element would we use to convey where we are stuck? something like google code's Help link? | 03:57 |
| sabdfl | but we would store the search together with the page name that it was performed off | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | not sure - possibly just a "search for help" option | 03:58 |
| kiko | yes, you can definitely explore the fact that you know where the user was when he reached for help | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | see - most users will not file bugs or tickets | 03:58 |
| kiko | yes | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | but they might search for help | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | ok, we can look at that post-2.0 :-) | 03:58 |
| kiko | so tickets and bugs really only highlight the most distressing problems | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | yes | 03:58 |
| sabdfl | we should get those under control first | 03:59 |
| kiko | but the fact that we have them suggests we should concentrate on those areas first ;) | 03:59 |
| sabdfl | with OOPS'en | 03:59 |
| kiko | right, exactly | 03:59 |
| kiko | well, not just oopses | 03:59 |
| kiko | for instance, lots of people failing to register gpg keys | 03:59 |
| kiko | and failing to sign the CoC | 03:59 |
| kiko | filing bugs | 03:59 |
| kiko | I bet 1 bug filed is at least 20 users who couldn't do it | 03:59 |
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| rancell | Hi all, I've found a bug in dd (coreutils) but when I go to report it in Launchpad I get "coreutils does not use Malone as its bug tracker. To report a bug about coreutils, please use its official bug tracker.". Where should I report? | 04:02 |
| bradb | rancell: /distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 04:04 |
| rancell | bradb, thanks | 04:04 |
| bradb | no prob | 04:04 |
| kiko | sabdfl, ^^^ indication of confusing UI. :) | 04:05 |
| kiko | how fitting | 04:05 |
| mpt | And I reported that bug :-) | 04:05 |
| kiko | mpt, why don't you fix it, too? One simple solution might be to add "To report a but about coreutils as packaged in a distribution, use ..."? | 04:06 |
| bradb | or: | 04:06 |
| bradb | Perhaps you meant to report the bug in one of these packages? | 04:07 |
| kiko | bradb, requires packaging link | 04:07 |
| bradb | _coreutils in Ubuntu) | 04:07 |
| mpt | I will, when I get time | 04:07 |
| bradb | kiko: not always. for coreutils, for example, we could have made a good guess;. | 04:08 |
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| kiko | bradb, that sort of guess is best done to prefill the packaging links. | 04:08 |
| mpt | bug 42480 | 04:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42480 in malone "Report a bug about product that doesn't use Malone should include link to product's official bug tracker" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42480 | 04:09 |
| bradb | mpt: that wouldn't have solved rancell's problem | 04:10 |
| mpt | Why not? | 04:10 |
| kiko | the issue I have with packaging is that it links specific series IIRC | 04:10 |
| bradb | mpt: ISTM he went down to the product road when he meant to report the bug in Ubuntu (otherwise, presumably, he would have wondered why I gave him an ubuntu filebug link in response) | 04:11 |
| kiko | agreed with bradb | 04:12 |
| mpt | Well, that's another bug I also reported ... | 04:12 |
| rancell | bradb: Yup I wanted to file the bug against Ubuntu but knew the package so went there first to check if it had already been reported | 04:13 |
| salgado | spiv, I don't see what's the problem that you're trying to solve with that one-liner; I get the same result running both lines in dapper's dash | 04:14 |
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| flacoste | kiko: has mpool and mpt comments have made you change your mind about adding search functionality to +linkbug? | 04:18 |
| kiko | no. | 04:18 |
| kiko | in fact they have made it even more opposed to that specific UI. | 04:19 |
| flacoste | why? | 04:19 |
| kiko | because I don't think that it is geared towards the right use case | 04:20 |
| SteveA | hi | 04:20 |
| flacoste | kiko: which is according to you linking to only one bug? | 04:20 |
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| kiko | flacoste, well, that's part of it. plus the fact that you will almost never link to multiple bugs listed using /the same search string/ | 04:21 |
| === bradb agrees that search-based UI is way overkill for that task | ||
| flacoste | kiko: not if you use the product/package-name name to get most bugs | 04:21 |
| flacoste | bradb, kiko: have you actually used the feature? | 04:22 |
| kiko | flacoste, you're contriving. there's no way you can argue that that's a major use case! | 04:22 |
| flacoste | to link to specs for example? | 04:22 |
| bradb | flacoste: no. like most people that use Launchpad, i'm too lazy | 04:22 |
| kiko | flacoste, dude, finding a bug is searching for needles in haystacks | 04:22 |
| bradb | i've linked bugs to specs | 04:23 |
| jamesh | or cucumbers in haystacks | 04:23 |
| bradb | but a multi-select UI would have taken me offguard | 04:23 |
| flacoste | kiko: the use case is 'I know there is a bug about this, i just don't know it's id, it was about 'such and such') | 04:23 |
| kiko | flacoste, see what bradb said. a multi-select UI is NOT what the end-user would be expecting. | 04:23 |
| kiko | now there may be a communication issue here | 04:24 |
| kiko | I think that search for the bug as part of the UI | 04:24 |
| flacoste | that it's because the name of the action is 'Link to bug' | 04:24 |
| kiko | is laudable | 04:24 |
| kiko | I think the multi-select approach is inappropriate | 04:24 |
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| kiko | and furthermore | 04:24 |
| kiko | I think that to do search-to-link properly | 04:24 |
| kiko | you need to do workflow | 04:24 |
| kiko | allowing the end-user to confirm what he's done, make sure he's found all the bug he wants, etc | 04:25 |
| flacoste | what kind of workflow? | 04:25 |
| kiko | which is overkill. | 04:25 |
| kiko | OVERKILL :-) | 04:25 |
| kiko | so | 04:25 |
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| kiko | some suggests that are lightweight | 04:25 |
| kiko | and that would help mitigate the problems you point out: | 04:26 |
| kiko | - offer a link to search for bugs | 04:26 |
| kiko | - after linking to a bug, you can put up a message with the summary and description of bug you linked, so the person can go back and correct if it was wrong | 04:26 |
| kiko | - you /could/ prompt the user to confirm if he has actually linked to the correct bug. but I think that would make the feature even harder to use. | 04:26 |
| flacoste | the linked bug already appears in the related bug portlet | 04:27 |
| kiko | portlets are really not the sort of notification UI I was mentioning above :) | 04:27 |
| kiko | in fact portlets could be called anti-notification UI. :) | 04:27 |
| flacoste | could appear in the notification area also | 04:27 |
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| SteveA | stub, flacoste, salgado: let's discuss the i18n issues on #launchpad-meeting | 04:30 |
| kiko | flacoste, that I think is definitely worth it. | 04:30 |
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| carlos | lifeless: hi, around? | 05:02 |
| kiko | carlos, did you manage to land a fix to unbreak the test suite? | 05:03 |
| carlos | kiko: not yet | 05:03 |
| carlos | I have the fix in my branch | 05:03 |
| kiko | ok, I'll do it | 05:03 |
| carlos | but I'm getting another error that cprov is looking at | 05:03 |
| carlos | kiko: ok | 05:03 |
| kiko | no need, I have a fix here with another bunch of crap | 05:03 |
| sivang | bradb: I'm interested in helping with the UI fixes you mentioned at the meeting, however I suspect I will require some minor getting started mentoring on some of them. | 05:05 |
| kiko | carlos, but don't be blocked by me anyway | 05:05 |
| carlos | kiko: don't worry, if you merge your branch before me, I will fix the conflict | 05:06 |
| carlos | otherwise.... you lose ;-) | 05:06 |
| kiko | I always lose | 05:06 |
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| jamesh | kiko: so you've submitted a fix for the 98-cocacknowledge bug? | 05:22 |
| kiko | jamesh, I have it in my tree, but not yet. wanna do it? | 05:23 |
| bradb | sivang: you might want to find a small bug or two that interest you, to get more familiar with the terrain. | 05:24 |
| jamesh | kiko: sure. I was just going to remove the date portion from the pagetests | 05:24 |
| carlos | hmm, I have changes in my tree that I didn't change | 05:25 |
| kiko | jamesh, do it | 05:25 |
| bradb | sivang: then, ideally, send me a patch for it, and I'll give you specific suggestions on getting into the Malone vibe | 05:25 |
| SteveA | bug 54987 | 05:26 |
| SteveA | Keybuk: nice email | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | :) | 05:34 |
| SteveA | Keybuk: this is feasible now that we have a single namespace for products, projects and distros | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | the biggest thing needs to be the loss of the "GPG signed e-mail and launchpad account" requirement though | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | people who submit bugs aren't developers, they're users | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | and users don't have that kind of fancy setup | 05:34 |
| bradb | +1 | 05:34 |
| SteveA | silly idea: | 05:35 |
| SteveA | allow users to set "my secret bug filing word" in launchpad | 05:35 |
| SteveA | and then they just need to say "antigiraffe" in an email | 05:35 |
| SteveA | for it to be allowed through | 05:35 |
| bradb | don't make me think! | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | meh, that's still complicated ... they need to go to launchpad before they can submit bugs | 05:35 |
| SteveA | it may be complicated | 05:36 |
| SteveA | but then we can have fun looking up people's chosen words later | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | and ringing their telephone banking and trying it as their password? :) | 05:36 |
| SteveA | is it possible to eat *too many* grapes? | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | FOLKS! WE HAVE A REVENUE STREAM! | 05:36 |
| kiko | Keybuk, so you want to make it easier for people to file bugs? do you realize we have more than enough bugs already? :) | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | kiko: as an upstream, yes | 05:36 |
| SteveA | dude, we're creating bugs as fast as we can | 05:37 |
| SteveA | we can hardly keep up with the filing rate | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | I have almost no bugs because people aren't using Malone, because it's too hard to submit a report | 05:37 |
| sivang | bradb: where can I find a list of stuff that are important for a milestone? | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | whereas in the last two weeks, I've had about a dozen in my INBOX directly | 05:37 |
| kiko | Keybuk, it's little harm for you to forward those mails to new@bugs.launchpad.net, though.. | 05:39 |
| bradb | sivang: for malone: https://launchpad.net/products/malone/ . the Milestones portlet. | 05:39 |
| kiko | Keybuk, I'll offer to contact those people for you and ask them to register their bugs on launchpad though. :) | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | kiko: there's no point though | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | if I forward the mail, then it loses the fact the bug is attached to the original submitter | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | comments/status changes/etc. don't go to the submitter, they flood me | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | so I'd then have to use Malone AND e-mail the user | 05:40 |
| kiko | Keybuk, that person won't get email anyway unless they are launchpad-registered. | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | at that point, Malone is doing nothing for me | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | kiko: that's what I want to change | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | I want users to be registered automatically when they submit bug reports | 05:40 |
| kiko | Keybuk, we can't spam people who haven't registered explicitly. | 05:40 |
| kiko | now | 05:40 |
| kiko | I agree with lazy account creation | 05:40 |
| kiko | as they file bugs | 05:40 |
| kiko | but they still need to "do work" | 05:41 |
| kiko | and I suspect that the reason you get email instead of bug reports | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | kiko: you were doing a push of getting upstreams to use Malone, and what their problems were, right? | 05:41 |
| kiko | is not because people won't create accounts | 05:41 |
| kiko | but because they find it easier just to mail you. | 05:41 |
| kiko | right. | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | as an upstream, I thought I'd co-operate and I asked everyone who'd mailed me why they hadn't used Malone | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | and all but one actually responded | 05:41 |
| kiko | cool | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | and that was the findings | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | - the web interface looked "scary" | 05:41 |
| Keybuk | - the web interface required them to register, which was complicated, they just wanted to submit a bug | 05:42 |
| kiko | Keybuk, can you please email me these findings? | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | - the e-mail interface instructions were huge | 05:42 |
| kiko | I can't be on IRC right now | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | kiko: it's in your INBOX right now | 05:42 |
| bradb | fyi, bug 50653 | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | that's where this conversation started, because I sent an e-mail | 05:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50653 in malone "Malone should support craigslist-style anonymous bug reporting" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50653 | 05:42 |
| kiko | wow | 05:42 |
| kiko | ok | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | - email required GPG signatures ... most didn't even know what GPG was | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | - email required first having visited the web page | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | ie. it was just too complicated to file a bug with Malone | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | and FAR easier just to mail me | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | so as an upstream, there seems to be little point to Malone, because none of my users are using it | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | the _only_ user to have ever submitted a bug there was an Ubuntu develoepr! | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: hi there :-). nice to see you again. | 05:43 |
| Keybuk | Nafallo: "again"?:) | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | Keybuk: yea, was like ages since I saw you last time, so again ;-) | 05:44 |
| Keybuk | heh, I'm online every day <g> | 05:44 |
| Nafallo | oh. I thought you where on vacation or something since I haven't seen your nick say something :-). | 05:45 |
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| bundy_all | hello to all | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | Nafallo: nah, just busy developing stuff | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | IRC is a hell of a distraction from real work | 05:48 |
| Nafallo | oh. nice. something testable then? :-) | 05:48 |
| Keybuk | so I've been vaguely avoiding using it too for a few weeks so I can actually have stuff finished before FeatureFreeze :) | 05:48 |
| bundy_all | Can anybody tell me is that offer with free ubuntu cd is still valid ? | 05:49 |
| LarstiQ | Keybuk: well, keeping bugreports away is something some upstreams desire ;) | 05:50 |
| bradb | bundy_all: Visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ for your freedom buffet. Ask #ubuntu if you want to know more. | 05:52 |
| bundy_all | bradb Thank you | 05:53 |
| bradb | no prob | 05:53 |
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| carlos | jamesh: you are too fast... | 05:59 |
| carlos | I just sent my merge request that fixes the timebomb too... | 06:00 |
| carlos | so I guess I will get a conflict :-( | 06:00 |
| sabdfl | salgado: did you see my review request, do you have bandwidth to handle that? | 06:00 |
| salgado | sabdfl, just replied to it. I'll start it today for sure, but may not be able to finish today, then I'll finish tomorrow | 06:01 |
| salgado | is that okay? | 06:01 |
| salgado | kiko, I want to stick https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filecHCp8r.html in that branch you just reviewed. is that okay? | 06:04 |
| salgado | jamesh, thanks for the correction on the FAQ | 06:05 |
| kiko | salgado, I think that will be ineffective, to be honest. but sure. <strong tal:content> though. | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | salgado: that's fine - thanks! if all is ok i will update to review comments, and land over the weekend, for rollout next week | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | stub: would that be alright? | 06:05 |
| salgado | <stong> does nothing inside a "notification message" | 06:06 |
| salgado | kiko, ^ | 06:06 |
| stub | eh? | 06:06 |
| salgado | and <strong> too | 06:06 |
| kiko | salgado, why are you adding strong then? | 06:06 |
| kiko | sabdfl, I'd prefer it went through staging-baking | 06:06 |
| salgado | kiko, the first strong is not in a notification message | 06:06 |
| kiko | we're not doing trigger-rollouts for a while now | 06:06 |
| stub | sabdfl: Yes, we can roll out your landing next week if you land it soon | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | kiko: i will hammer it on staging - that way it will get more testing than staging usually would | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | if it's flaky i'll let you know | 06:07 |
| kiko | salgado, so that's what I was talking about. | 06:07 |
| kiko | <strong tal:content> | 06:07 |
| kiko | instead of using a span. | 06:07 |
| kiko | sabdfl, well, it also lets us look at it and see if we can make improvements to it over the week | 06:07 |
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| sabdfl | it does introduce a lot of new checks and constraints, so there may well be issues | 06:07 |
| kiko | instead of surprise landing. it's the policy we're taking | 06:07 |
| kiko | so let's leave it to bake on staging for a week | 06:07 |
| kiko | there's no sprint coming up | 06:07 |
| kiko | we have the time | 06:07 |
| stub | Which is of course preferred ;) | 06:07 |
| sabdfl | kiko: i'm at a UI sprint next week | 06:07 |
| SteveA | carlos: if you mv your directory on devpad out of the usual place, pqm will fail quickly on the merge | 06:08 |
| kiko | sabdfl, that's fine. we can fix problems too. :) | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | kiko: i'll let you know if i think it needs extra work, thanks | 06:08 |
| SteveA | carlos: although, I supopse if there is a conflict, it will make it fail early anyway | 06:08 |
| kiko | sabdfl, sure. I just want to make sure that good rollout practices are followed. I'm sure you can appreciate that :) | 06:08 |
| salgado | kiko, the one where I use <strong> I have other things inside it, that's why I use the <span replace="context" />. in the other case, it won't help using a <strong> because it's already inside a <p class="notification message"> | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | very much so! if salgado gets me that review, and there are no showstoppers, i will be able to do plenty of testing sunday | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | if its flaky i'll recommend rolling out something pre-landing | 06:09 |
| kiko | I'd prefer that it waited for a week on staging, unless there's something that is a showstopper to roll out | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | you've already said that ;-) | 06:10 |
| kiko | everybody wants their stuff in immediately -- but we should avoid doing it unless we need to | 06:10 |
| kiko | yeah, I have | 06:10 |
| stub | If there is no sprint or anything needing the landing next week, it indeed should not be pushed out. | 06:12 |
| salgado | kiko, saw my message explaining why I'm using <strong> in one case and not in the other? | 06:12 |
| stub | 'Oooh shiney' is not a good reason to risk the production systems, especially as people are now starting to get antsy about downtime. | 06:13 |
| kiko | salgado, hmmm. it seems you're missing a </strong> then. | 06:15 |
| niemeyer | kiko: pre-joins! | 06:16 |
| salgado | kiko, no, it's there | 06:16 |
| kiko | salgado, I need glasses. r=kiko | 06:17 |
| kiko | niemeyer, oh-oh. somebody told you that dirty secret? I did it because I could! | 06:17 |
| salgado | stub, have you defined the revision that is going to production next week? | 06:17 |
| stub | salgado: Nope | 06:17 |
| niemeyer | kiko: I'm gonna give you generic joins dude | 06:18 |
| kiko | salgado, yes. it was YESTERDAY. :) | 06:18 |
| ddaa | Hey, anybody can think of objects that would need reassigning when changing the owner of a Branch? | 06:18 |
| niemeyer | kiko: *Just* for you | 06:18 |
| niemeyer | kiko: Stuart says you own me a bj | 06:18 |
| kiko | salgado, stub: take it off channel! before I have a heart attack! | 06:18 |
| salgado | eh? | 06:18 |
| kiko | stub, stop promising blow jobs from me ok | 06:19 |
| stub | But you said! | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | oh my eyes | 06:19 |
| kiko | why me | 06:19 |
| LarstiQ | it must be that pie picture | 06:20 |
| stub | :) | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | taking the bullet | 06:20 |
| sivang | bradb: How do I reach the bugs targetted for 1.0 from https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+milestone/1.0 ? | 06:24 |
| bradb | sivang: they're all shown on that page | 06:25 |
| kiko | what an odd question | 06:25 |
| sivang | bradb: on https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+milestone/1.0 I see only specs | 06:25 |
| bradb | sivang: yeah, that indicates there are no bugs for that milestone. admittedly, that's a confusing UI. | 06:25 |
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| sivang | bradb: so where do I find those bugs? ;) | 06:48 |
| bradb | sivang: on 1.1 | 06:48 |
| sivang | bradb: ah, | 06:49 |
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| elmo | bradb: is there any spec you know of for adding a 'Report a bug in this application' to the launchpad-integration stuff? | 07:00 |
| bradb | elmo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/LaunchpadIntegration is one mention of that stuff (and specifically not mentioning the word "bug") | 07:03 |
| elmo | hmm | 07:04 |
| elmo | what do you think of the idea? obviously it's only useful for cases where the app isn't crashing, but it would allow new users to get straight to a page where they can start typing about their bug | 07:04 |
| jamesh | to pass non-trivial info to the bug page, we'd need some way of feeding data to LP unauthenticated and getting back a token to use in a URL | 07:05 |
| jamesh | given that launchpad-integration just calls the web browser with a URL as argument | 07:06 |
| elmo | ah, hmm, true | 07:06 |
| bradb | we discussed that in paris | 07:07 |
| bradb | i'm trying to remember the spec name | 07:07 |
| jamesh | I think we discussed it the first time round too (in Sydney) | 07:07 |
| bradb | elmo, jamesh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReportingTool was the more up-to-date thing about reporting bugs from the desktop | 07:09 |
| elmo | holy cow | 07:10 |
| elmo | that BERT thing seems, erm, interesting | 07:10 |
| bradb | the idea was to drive the user to the web UI, rather than rebuild a Malone UI for the desktop | 07:12 |
| jamesh | elmo: it does sound a little more complicated than necessary | 07:15 |
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| sivang | seems the spec is just about adding some more automatically generated bug data for submission into the web ui yes? | 07:23 |
| jamesh | sivang: sure. The debian reportbug script provides a bunch of information about the package version plus dependencies in the initial report | 07:27 |
| sivang | jamesh: I see. | 07:28 |
| jamesh | sivang: since the "API" for reporting a bug is opening the web browser at a particular URL, and this data is a bit larger than you'd fit in a URL query string, you need something more complicated | 07:28 |
| jamesh | (although maybe not quite as complicated as the description in that spec) | 07:28 |
| sivang | right, even a bit more environmental data will be immediately helpful. | 07:29 |
| sivang | be back later dudes | 07:37 |
| sladen | ...when you have no X, you have to use 'lynx' for launchpad. Lynx and launchpad do not mix; in fact, it's not even possible to do an advanced search with javascript! | 07:43 |
| sladen | s/with/without/ | 07:44 |
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| ddaa | sladen: aren't there text mode browsers that suck less than lynx? w3m for example? | 07:51 |
| jamesh | sladen: looks like it is going to the wrong URL | 07:52 |
| jamesh | sladen: the "advanced search" link is to "?advanced=1" | 07:53 |
| sladen | jamesh: indeed... I guess that it's striping the URL back to the '/', rather than +bugs?advanced... | 07:54 |
| jamesh | sladen: lynx interprets that as e.g. https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/?advanced=1, while Firefox interprets it as https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs?advanced=1 | 07:54 |
| jamesh | yeah | 07:54 |
| jamesh | sladen: could you report a bug about it? :) | 07:54 |
| jamesh | assuming you can get to the bug submission form | 07:55 |
| sladen | jamesh: sure will, but there is no way I'm going to even attempt to /file/ it from Lynx... | 07:55 |
| sladen | :) | 07:55 |
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| SteveA | kiko: for the tags, why rosetta:imports and not rosetta-imports ? | 08:26 |
| kiko | SteveA, I don't know. perhaps because it was soyuz:foo already. your choice, I'm easy. | 08:26 |
| jamesh | kiko: I don't think a colon is allowed in a tag | 08:27 |
| jamesh | we don't allow them in user names, iirc | 08:27 |
| jamesh | and it is the same validator | 08:27 |
| kiko | jamesh, is a tag a valid name? ok. luckily I didn't try using it! | 08:27 |
| kiko | actually it wasn't soyuz:foo. who am I trying to fool! | 08:28 |
| SteveA | so, hyphen it is | 08:28 |
| SteveA | I updated the page with the tags that were agreed earlier today | 08:28 |
| jamesh | kiko: yeah. If it becomes a problem, we can loosen the restrictions | 08:29 |
| SteveA | salgado: ping | 08:29 |
| jamesh | which is easier to do that tightening them later on | 08:29 |
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| kiko | jamesh, I am not even arguing for that. I am defeated. hypens it is. | 08:29 |
| SteveA | salgado: stu and I have in pqm converting shipit to use the new vhosts support | 08:30 |
| SteveA | we'll be trying it out on staging soon | 08:30 |
| salgado | SteveA, cool! are you guys going to update staging today or wait till tomorrow? | 08:31 |
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| SteveA | depends when pqm does the work | 08:31 |
| SteveA | shipit on staging is broken right now, in preparation for this landing | 08:32 |
| === ddaa is baffled by TextWidget.displayWidth vs. TextAreaWidget.width | ||
| ddaa | They appear to mean the same thing, yet they have different name and different visual effects... | 08:33 |
| ddaa | and TextWidget.width has no visible effect | 08:33 |
| ddaa | Setting them to the same value, as in TitleWidget and SummaryWidget, leads to different field widths in the browser... | 08:34 |
| ddaa | There's something rotten in the kingdom of Widgark | 08:35 |
| jamesh | ddaa: maybe TextWidget doesn't have a width attribute | 08:40 |
| flacoste | kiko: what do you think about adding 'Cancel' buttons on forms? (and mpt if he's sleep-walking) | 08:42 |
| flacoste | as mpool suggested? | 08:42 |
| kiko | flacoste, if you have started an operation and want to go back, it makes some sense.. but mpt is the authority there | 08:42 |
| flacoste | because often there is no single click that can bring you back where you were before | 08:43 |
| flacoste | you have to use the back button | 08:43 |
| === flacoste will mail the list about that | ||
| SteveA | I agree with flacoste | 08:43 |
| flacoste | it is very easy to do with formlib | 08:43 |
| kiko | the back button is a valid button though. and it is single-click. :) | 08:43 |
| SteveA | my online bank FINES you $1 every time you press the back button | 08:44 |
| SteveA | or so it feels | 08:44 |
| SteveA | they certainly punish you | 08:44 |
| flacoste | indeed, but if you already submitted the post with errors... it will be two clicks and you'll have to acknowledge the this was a 'POST' request dialog | 08:44 |
| flacoste | we could even add a standard 'Cancel' button to LaunchpadFormView | 08:45 |
| SteveA | flacoste: try it in the support tracker to start with | 08:46 |
| SteveA | and we'll see how it goes in practice | 08:46 |
| SteveA | and get some feedback from mpt | 08:46 |
| SteveA | just because I agree doesn't mean it is a good idea | 08:46 |
| jamesh | I wonder how that would affect the button order if it was implemented in the base class | 08:46 |
| flacoste | SteveA: fine | 08:46 |
| flacoste | jamesh: actually, it wouldn't work | 08:47 |
| kiko | hey jamesh | 08:47 |
| kiko | I have an ascii armoured dump of a key | 08:47 |
| kiko | a pubkey | 08:47 |
| kiko | how do I get its full fingerprint? | 08:47 |
| jamesh | flacoste: yeah. Looks like they don't use a class advisor for @action, so don't have access to the parents when setting up actions | 08:47 |
| flacoste | jamesh: exactly | 08:47 |
| jamesh | kiko: import it into a keyring, look at what ID it prints when you do this | 08:48 |
| jamesh | kiko: then do "gpg --fingerprint ID" | 08:48 |
| jamesh | flacoste: might be considered a bug in formlib ... | 08:48 |
| flacoste | jamesh: could be done by massaging the actions attribute after class definition though | 08:48 |
| kiko | jamesh, so I need to import it first? no chance to not do so? | 08:48 |
| jamesh | kiko: you can use "gpg --keyring foo --import filename" to import into a different keyring | 08:49 |
| flacoste | jamesh: like in setupWidget or somewhere like that | 08:49 |
| kiko | k | 08:49 |
| jamesh | then "gpg --keyring foo --fingerprint ID" | 08:49 |
| jamesh | flacoste: yeah. Something like we do in the Navigation classes (walk __mro__ looking for a special attribute name in the class dicts) | 08:50 |
| flacoste | jamesh: i was thinking something simpler: just add the 'Cancel' action to the actions attribute in setupWidgets :-) | 08:51 |
| flacoste | unless it's there of course | 08:51 |
| jamesh | flacoste: ah :) | 08:51 |
| ddaa | jamesh: what do you mean? | 08:51 |
| jamesh | ddaa: the TextWidget class doesn't seem to mention a "width" attribute -- just "displayWidth" and "displayMaxWidth" | 08:52 |
| ddaa | I tried renaming displayWidth to width in TitleWidget, and I then get the default TextWidget width | 08:52 |
| jamesh | ddaa: so it isn't too surprising if it doesn't do anything special when you set that attribute | 08:52 |
| ddaa | right | 08:52 |
| ddaa | but there is TextAreaWidget.width | 08:53 |
| ddaa | and for the same value, width and displayWidth yields different widths in the actual web page. | 08:53 |
| ddaa | And I would like my forms to look a bit more regular | 08:54 |
| ddaa | besides, displayWidth=44 gives something that's a bit too narrow for real life urls | 08:55 |
| ddaa | width=44 gives something wider, so the form is going to be that wide anyway, I'd like to put that room to use | 08:55 |
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| flacoste | bradb: ping | 09:34 |
| bradb | flacoste: pong | 09:34 |
| flacoste | bradb: have you ever tried using canonical.widgets.bug.BugWidget? | 09:34 |
| flacoste | i get a validation error because the returned value (a bug) doesn't fully comply with the IBug interface | 09:35 |
| bradb | I wouldn't use that widget. | 09:35 |
| flacoste | bradb: why? | 09:36 |
| flacoste | bradb: it looks fine, the problem is more with the fact that Bug doesn't fully comply with IBug | 09:36 |
| flacoste | bradb: validation errors are: | 09:36 |
| bradb | because the code is easier to understand you get the bug id from the context or request, depending on what you're doing | 09:36 |
| flacoste | displayname isn't a unicode string | 09:36 |
| flacoste | bradb: yeah, at the expense of a lot of duplication | 09:37 |
| === flacoste definitively prefers high-level widget | ||
| flacoste | give me the bug, I don't care how you got it | 09:37 |
| bradb | flacoste: what are you doing? form/view/code, etc. | 09:41 |
| flacoste | i'm working on +linkbug | 09:41 |
| flacoste | i use BugWidget to get the bug to link to | 09:41 |
| flacoste | the widget works fine | 09:41 |
| bradb | what's the schema of the form? | 09:42 |
| flacoste | Object(schema=IBug) | 09:42 |
| flacoste | and it fails to validate | 09:42 |
| flacoste | the displayname isn't a unicode string | 09:42 |
| flacoste | and for some reasons it feels like the tags field isn't a list | 09:43 |
| flacoste | a workaround would be to use schema=ISQLBase or even Interface | 09:43 |
| flacoste | but i find it weird that schema validation fails on IBug | 09:43 |
| bradb | i don't understand that Object(schema=...) code | 09:43 |
| flacoste | it means that we don't really test that | 09:43 |
| BjornT | flacoste: you can even use BugField | 09:44 |
| bradb | i was expected you'd have a schema like ILinkBugToTicket, with a BugField | 09:44 |
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| BjornT | it's strange that the object widget doesn't simply check that the schema is provided, though. | 09:44 |
| flacoste | bradb: it does that... and more | 09:44 |
| flacoste | bradb: it actually validates each and every field in the interface | 09:45 |
| flacoste | bradb: you didn't expect that? | 09:45 |
| bradb | I expected: | 09:45 |
| bradb | class ILinkBugToTicket(Interface): | 09:45 |
| bradb | bug = BugField(...) | 09:45 |
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| flacoste | i have errands to make, I'll be back a little bit later | 09:46 |
| flacoste | bradb: but we can continue that discussion tomorrow at the office | 09:46 |
| bradb | flacoste: sounds good | 09:46 |
| kiko | you bake those errands well | 09:46 |
| kiko | for a guy | 09:46 |
| bradb | BjornT: how do i select the "no value" option of a RadioWidget, by default? it seems like a bug in Zope 3 that it won't select it by default | 09:47 |
| flacoste | kiko: it's actually a guy kind of errand: getting a new CD/MP3 player in the car: very important for the long ride of Saturday :-) | 09:47 |
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| ddaa | interesting | 09:48 |
| ddaa | it looks like working with testbrowser may turn out to be significantly less horrible than old doctests | 09:48 |
| ddaa | yeah, I'm late, but I get to fix some of the branch-related doctests today | 09:48 |
| kiko | dude | 09:49 |
| kiko | testbrowser is da bomb | 09:49 |
| kiko | it's like natalie portman | 09:49 |
| ddaa | Well, so far it looks decent | 09:49 |
| bradb | testbrowser is one of those golden bits of zope 3 with just the right amount of engineering | 09:49 |
| bradb | unlike, say, the widget framework, which makes me hate everything | 09:49 |
| ddaa | as opposed to old doctests which were outrageously ugly and painful like mixing tabasco and eye drops. | 09:50 |
| ddaa | bradb: how interesting, I just rambled about widgets being... interesting... | 09:50 |
| BjornT | bradb: yeah, it's bug... it's fixed in BugTaskBugTrackerWidget, but it might not be that easy to pull out the fix (RadioWidget is not easy to customize....) | 09:50 |
| BjornT | bradb: it's also fixed in upstream zope3, but in a backwards incompatible way, so it's not just to simply pull in the fix :( | 09:51 |
| ddaa | bradb, do you have any clue how to make a given TextWidget get the same actual width as a given TextAreaWidget? | 09:51 |
| bradb | BjornT: ok, so i need something i can land today. do you have any code i can have to make it work, or should i just convert this from a widget into html? | 09:51 |
| bradb | ddaa: not even a remotely vague idea, and don't EVER ask me about z3 widgets again! :P | 09:52 |
| bradb | er, i mean, ignore the bit after the comma | 09:52 |
| ddaa | BjornT: maybe you'd have an idea? | 09:53 |
| === bradb starts the conversion to html | ||
| BjornT | bradb: what you can do is to subclass RadioWidget and override renderItems() with part of BugTaskBugTrackerWidget.renderItems() | 09:54 |
| bradb | BjornT: ah, right, ok. i guess you mean BugTaskBugWatchWidget | 09:55 |
| BjornT | bradb: right. the part you need is the code between the '#check if we want to select first item...' and '# Add an option for creating a new bug watch.' | 09:57 |
| bradb | hm, though that would add more code than just writing the html... | 09:57 |
| BjornT | bradb: well, you shouldn't think like that, since html will be harder to maintain. although in this case, i wouldn't object if you wrote html instead, since i can't guarantee that it'll actually work... | 09:59 |
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| bradb | BjornT: unfortunately, when i use that code, it hits the "elif value != self.context.missing_value" condition, and evals to True, skipping the else: that would set no_value = "checked" | 10:14 |
| === bradb wonders if there's something I'm supposed to be initializing in some way that I'm not | ||
| bradb | oh, i may have found it.../me tries | 10:17 |
| bradb | YA! | 10:18 |
| BjornT | bradb: what did you do to fix it? | 10:19 |
| kiko | sacrifice a kitten | 10:19 |
| bradb | BjornT: there were two more lines at the top of your method that i needed, that set value to self._missing | 10:19 |
| BjornT | bradb: right, i was going to suggest that. RadioWidget is kind of buggy..., it's not impossible to you need to put in an 'else: value = self._toFieldValue(value)' after that. | 10:21 |
| bradb | BjornT: should i (attempt) to extract the renderItem() commonality into a LaunchpadRadioWidget class? | 10:22 |
| BjornT | bradb: well, are you going to customize the widget further? if not, let's keep that as LaunchpadRadioWidget, and then I can make BugTaskBugWatchWidget inherit from it later. | 10:23 |
| bradb | BjornT: no, i don't want to customize it further. i'll just call it LRW then and move on. | 10:25 |
| bradb | thanks for the help | 10:25 |
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| BjornT | cool | 10:25 |
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| kiko | bed! this early! bah | 10:26 |
| laszlok | can someone help me with importing a POT file? | 10:34 |
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| kiko | laszlok, what's up? | 10:40 |
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| bradb | kiko: do you have time to review this upstream status patch? 8 files changed, 98 insertions(+), 95 deletions(-) | 10:52 |
| kiko | bradb, tonight, yes. pastebin | 10:52 |
| kiko | (for reply tomorrow IOW) | 10:52 |
| bradb | kiko: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileZqkEKX.html , thanks | 10:53 |
| kiko | salgado, can you do some over-the-shoulder today? I need to land this fix to GPG handling.. | 10:54 |
| salgado | kiko, I'm revieweing sabdfl's branch now, and I need to go in a few minutes. (have classes today) | 10:54 |
| kiko | salgado, argh. not even 10 minutes to fix /your/ regression? | 10:56 |
| kiko | what time's your classes | 10:56 |
| salgado | kiko, seriously, I'm in a rush. I need to go home first to do some laundry, otherwise I won't have time. I have classes from 19 to 23h | 10:57 |
| kiko | buuummmmer | 10:57 |
| laszlok | kiko: i thought jordi set me up so my uploads would automatically, but my latest file still says needs review after almost a week | 10:58 |
| kiko | laszlok, it may not be approved yet. can you find it in /imports? can you get me a URL? | 10:59 |
| laszlok | kiko: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=products&status=all&type=all&start=225&batch=75 | 10:59 |
| laszlok | the jokosher.pot one | 10:59 |
| salgado | kiko, mail me the diff and I'll review it first thing in the morning tomorrow | 11:03 |
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| kiko | bradb, do you have some time to look at a patch today? I'll swap and review yours meanwhile | 11:08 |
| bradb | kiko: sure | 11:08 |
| kiko | bradb, I mainly want a look over my tests to see if I could do something better | 11:08 |
| kiko | ah! cool | 11:08 |
| kiko | okay, one more second and I'll have a diff up for you. | 11:09 |
| bradb | ok | 11:10 |
| kiko | bradb, this patch: | 11:11 |
| kiko | - adds a README file explaining what keys are in the zeca keys directory | 11:12 |
| kiko | - factors the GPG handling of the person code into a separate view class | 11:12 |
| kiko | - corrects the GPG handling that salgado broke on tuesday | 11:12 |
| kiko | - tests it thoroughly | 11:12 |
| kiko | - converts a test to testbrowser | 11:12 |
| kiko | - fixes some cosmetic issues | 11:12 |
| kiko | here goes: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filekbUPrE.html | 11:13 |
| kiko | 8 files changed, 353 insertions(+), 265 deletions(-) | 11:13 |
| jamesh | kiko: are you going to check this in as trivial? :) | 11:13 |
| bradb | kiko: doh! | 11:13 |
| kiko | oh wait | 11:13 |
| kiko | jamesh, no, I want review :) | 11:13 |
| kiko | wait up bradb I forgot the bzr adds | 11:13 |
| jamesh | - checks to see if today is 2006-08-10 | 11:13 |
| kiko | no it doesn't :-P | 11:14 |
| kiko | bradb, jamesh: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileXUVJeq.html | 11:14 |
| kiko | comments from both are welcome | 11:14 |
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| jamesh | kiko: could you add a note to the README saying that the keys in lib/canonical/launchpad/ftests/gpgkeys should be symlinked to the appropriate names in lib/canonical/zeca/ftests/keys | 11:18 |
| jamesh | that there should be symlinks for each subkey ID | 11:18 |
| kiko | okay, sure. | 11:18 |
| jamesh | (i.e. for a normal key there will be a symlink for the main signing subkey and one for the encryption subkey) | 11:19 |
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| jamesh | some of your comments appear to have been written in the future too | 11:23 |
| jamesh | why does this bit work? : assert "111" not in key, "The keyserver is not running, help!" | 11:24 |
| kiko | jamesh, which comments? | 11:25 |
| kiko | jamesh, (111) Connection refused. | 11:25 |
| kiko | jamesh, I was hoping you had fixed that crack-addled API but I guess you didn't get that far :) | 11:25 |
| jamesh | kiko: any reason for switching editpgpkeys.pt over to 2col layout? | 11:26 |
| kiko | oh. | 11:27 |
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| kiko | 09-10 | 11:27 |
| kiko | doh | 11:27 |
| kbrooks | how do i make a bug related to another? | 11:27 |
| kiko | jamesh, yeah, it needs to be wide enough for the <input>, because the fingerprint is long. | 11:27 |
| kiko | kbrooks, you can't currently. you can however add "Bug 232131" in the bug description and it will linkify. | 11:27 |
| kiko | kbrooks, note that you /can/ dupe bugs though. | 11:28 |
| kiko | laszlok, what's the name of the potemplate, do you know? | 11:29 |
| laszlok | kiko: the file name is jokosher.pot | 11:29 |
| kiko | laszlok, yep. but the potemplate.. I'll check. | 11:29 |
| kiko | laszlok, well, I did something. let's hope it will work :-) | 11:30 |
| laszlok | kiko: do i have to bug you guys everytime i upload something | 11:31 |
| kiko | jordi, danilos[gone] , carlos: when you come back, know that I edited the jokosher import.. and set its template to "jokosher". kthxbye | 11:31 |
| kbrooks | lol | 11:31 |
| kiko | laszlok, I don't think so, but I'm not the right person to ask today. I will know tomorrow! | 11:31 |
| kbrooks | "kthxbye".... | 11:31 |
| kiko | kbrooks, note that carlos is not even online. oh well.. | 11:31 |
| laszlok | kiko: thanks :) | 11:31 |
| kbrooks | kiko: noted. :-) :P | 11:32 |
| jamesh | kiko: and if you're creating a getURLForKeyInServer(), we might want to update GPGKey.keyserverURL to use it | 11:32 |
| kiko | jamesh, where is that? let me see | 11:32 |
| bluefoxicy | hi kiko :) | 11:33 |
| kiko | oh-oh | 11:33 |
| kiko | I was discovered! | 11:33 |
| kiko | :) | 11:33 |
| jamesh | database/person.py | 11:33 |
| kiko | hey bluefoxicy | 11:33 |
| kiko | sure | 11:34 |
| kiko | jamesh, is that tested? | 11:34 |
| bluefoxicy | kiko: I put in a support request for that information and a blurb about making it accessible through some interface for the future. Everyone is probably busy anyway :> | 11:34 |
| kiko | bluefoxicy, I saw it, and I haven't forgotten it, I swear | 11:35 |
| bluefoxicy | kiko: still not in a hurry; I'm waiting for the crash reporter to get to a point where it'd make sense for pitti and friends to start working on a strategy for dealing with the data | 11:35 |
| bluefoxicy | which will be edgy+1 probably | 11:35 |
| kiko | cool. | 11:39 |
| jamesh | kiko: I think so. It is used in one of the person RDF export | 11:44 |
| kiko | right | 11:45 |
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| kiko | http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x12345678&op=index | 11:46 |
| kiko | jamesh, so it works. thanks for the hint, done. | 11:46 |
| kiko | jamesh, it's hardcoded :-( | 11:47 |
| kiko | launchpad/templates/rdf-macros.pt | 11:47 |
| jamesh | kiko: it isn't hard coded in person-foaf.pt | 11:48 |
| kiko | jamesh, what's rdf-macros for anyway? how weird. | 11:48 |
| kiko | owner_foaf_gpg is unused I think | 11:49 |
| jamesh | I think it is used in the product/project RDF dumps | 11:49 |
| kiko | oh | 11:49 |
| kiko | it's used inside itself | 11:50 |
| kiko | how weird. | 11:50 |
| kiko | ok, I'll fix that too. | 11:50 |
| kiko | bradb, how's it going? | 11:59 |
| sabdfl | kiko: what's hitting an xmlrpc server on LP, looking for a key? | 12:03 |
| bradb | kiko: still going. only about a third of the way through. | 12:03 |
| kiko | sabdfl, what key? that's most odd. | 12:04 |
| kiko | what method, too? | 12:04 |
| sabdfl | where is the full doc of xmlrpc API's? | 12:05 |
| sabdfl | i would like those to be documented rigorously, in a single place, with markings to indicate stable vs experimental api's | 12:05 |
| sabdfl | also, an api review mechanism | 12:05 |
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