=== KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6284.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A623ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nemish [n=nemish@ool-18be0779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-88-218.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128__ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-68-235.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@jupiter.physics.ubc.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128___ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-57-148.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] Can someone tell me yes or no but I thought in xorg that radeon driver was deprecated and supposed to use ati driver? [12:44] nemish, not really, but this is not a support channel [12:44] Burgwork, thanks.. sorry [12:45] nemish, no worries [12:50] c === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.198.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] isn't Breaks supposed to obsolete the provides/conflicts/replaces trio? [01:03] BenC: not obsolete, no [01:03] Breaks does replace most uses of Conflicts: << [01:04] it's for "these don't work together", leaving conflicts for "these contain the same files" [01:04] so if a package is renamed, then I should still use the old provides/conflicts/replaces setup to replace the old package? [01:06] this is for linux-kernel-headers being renamed to libc-dev-linux-headers, which only libc6-dev depends on, and it's not a versioned depends [01:07] means libc-dev-linux-headers wont really be installed until libc6-dev is updated, but at least things wont break === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] hi [01:13] I am trying to make my program l10n compatible or I18n compatible [01:13] ghee22, you need gettext support [01:13] anyone have directions on how to get this started? I am reading through the debian intro on this topic and it's very thourough [01:14] hey burg, I am not familiar with gettext [01:15] sorry, nor am I [01:15] ok, if anyone is, is the gnu gettext? http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] bug or feature that pmount version in dapper-updates is higher than in edgy? === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-82.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] Kamion: nic-firmware will be in the 2.6.17-6 kernel uploading tonight [02:20] BenC: Kamio^n is onvacation this week === ohoel [n=beshy@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] gnomefreak, people on vacation at canonical have an alarming habit of still being on irc [02:21] that doesnt sound like a vacation :( [02:22] that and they read irc logs too ;) [02:23] imbrandon, are you telling my people who develop ubuntu can read? I am shocked ;) [02:23] hahah [02:24] they read / dream in c++^W === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] imbrandon, this is ubuntu. They dream in python [02:26] ahh right === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] was xorg 7.1 in knot1? [02:42] no [02:43] (well, it depends how much of 7.1 you're referring to. It had bits and pieces already.) === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-67-119-192-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp174-101.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] thanks crimsun === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD87BC1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tomb [n=tomb@ACD87BC1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === harrybuttle [n=tapeworm@d81-211-250-178.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@22-58-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghee22 [n=parag@26.muh33.nycm.n54ny31ur.dsl.att.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64177.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp173-18.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] Heh. X in edgy is actually fine! It's fglrx that's messed. =( === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-52-104.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | yes X in edgy is a mess atm | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current Test the 6.06.1 images! | === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Sun Aug 6 13:23:56 2006 [09:16] Hi desrt :) [09:17] desrt: Somehow "Manu the brown" doesn't sound as shiny as "Gandalf the white", I don't know why ;-) [09:17] white is shiner than brown. [09:18] Oh, that must be it. [09:18] :) [09:18] ha ha ha [09:18] manu the brown === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] Hi jdub :) [09:18] Good morning [09:19] hey hey pitti === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | yes X in edgy is a mess atm | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current Test the 6.06.1 images! | === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Sun Aug 6 13:23:56 2006 [09:22] (sivang/#ubuntu-devel) morning [09:22] jdub: hey Jeff, how are your pants today? === pitti hugs desrt === desrt smiles and hugs back === pitti gives sivang a big good morning hug [09:23] pitti: that's a pretty brave question, on balance [09:23] morning === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] pitti: funny you should ask [09:23] thom: I feel lucky today :) [09:23] thom: good morning, too! [09:23] pitti: i had a string of pants-wearing days [09:23] pitti: and today i found that all my pants needed to go in the wash [09:23] jdub: not too surprising in your winter [09:23] so i am hanging loose today [09:24] pitti: yeah, it is pretty cold here atm [09:24] at least at night === sivang hugs pitti back :-) [09:24] that's the worst bit; it's reasonable during the day, but cold enough to feel very different at night [09:24] desrt: you cannot write a program that proofs that these bugs don't exist ;) [09:24] desrt: (very similar to the halting problem) [09:24] pitti; you're wrong. [09:25] desrt: however, there are some programs that do static code analysis [09:25] you confuse recognisers with deciders === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] usually they can find something [09:25] desrt: but I never played with them, sorry :/ [09:25] have any names to drop? === desrt is working on ideas for a thesis and wants to ensure that he isn't reinventing other people's wheels [09:26] bad idea: watching the whole billie piper series of doctor who, wondering why you thought her music was so bad, and finding some to listen to. [09:26] jdub: define "pretty cold" [09:26] jdub: hahaha [09:27] pitti; in any case, you could have a program that outputs either "safe", "unsafe" or "i don't know" [09:27] desrt: http://www.dwheeler.com/flawfinder/ maybe [09:27] thom: it's not all that cold really, but the difference between day and night makes it seem worse [09:27] pitti; and you can improve the chances of getting "safe" or "unsafe" with code annotation [09:27] desrt: right, finding potential overflows is not that difficult [09:28] desrt: however, so far I usually used the tools 'grep' and 'eagle eye' :) [09:28] i was actually sort of thinking more along the lines of the output being one of: [09:28] desrt: I'm pretty interested in automatic tools, just never found the time [09:28] - "i can prove that it is safe." [09:28] - "i can not prove that it is safe." [09:28] desrt: maybe 'I can prove that it is safe against buffer overflows' [09:28] since the people i am working for are definitely interested in hard proof [09:28] they're all about formal methods [09:28] but that will only be the case in rare circumstances [09:29] desrt: heh, rewrite the program in prolog :) [09:29] ok. maybe i define safe as "will not smash its stack for any user input" [09:29] then it is straightforward to proof [09:29] s/proof/prove/ [09:29] i want to do it for C [09:29] (just kidding) [09:29] since it's not even vaguely interesting for other "safer" languages [09:30] and since everyone always uses C anyway === jdub swaps billie piper for shirley manson [09:30] pfah. that's garbage. [09:30] desrt: well, since security vulnerabilities happen on many different levels, you cannot really proof 'safety' [09:30] billie piper sings? [09:30] pitti; oh. i am only interested in the very small sort of definition of safety that i just stated [09:30] desrt: but memory checking is of course a confined domain which should have good tool support [09:30] Spads: no. but she produced records === bmon [n=monnahan@125.Red-83-38-113.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] memory checking implies runtime...... [09:31] anyway. lots to think about [09:31] and 2 years in which to think about it [09:32] desrt: ok, flawfinder and http://www.hp.com/go/cadvise/ are the two in my bookmark list [09:32] i guess i'll probably talk to you again some time in those 2 years :) [09:32] goodnight. [09:33] desrt: sleep well! === rulus [n=roel@207.28-243-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] pitti, desrt: there's the stanford checker too [09:49] it has gone commercial now, I think [09:50] as coverity iirc [09:52] ah yes === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@82.109.136.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@82.109.136.116] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] hmm [10:10] I didn't destroy my system [10:10] but I'm not quite sure I actually did anything useful either. [10:10] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/networking-security-sysctls You be the judge; I'm going to sleep, it's 4am. === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 [10:15] AHHH === fabbione seeks and destroys who wrote that === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | yes X in edgy is a mess atm | 6.06.1 released [10:15] yay [10:15] which means I can *finally* start ignoring IRC :P [10:15] Heh [10:15] Kamion: hah. never [10:15] how many vacation days did you loose now ? [10:15] Kamion: go away, you are on holiday [10:16] Kamion: \o/ [10:17] ogra: on aggregate I think about 1-1.5 [10:17] Kamion: Awesome job, dude. Go away. [10:18] Kamion: I owe you some slack cover when you get back. Just let me know what slavery you need performed. [10:19] fabbione: redirects == one computer tells you that packets destined for or should instead be routed through

=== Hobbsee waves to infinity [10:19] bluefoxicy: i know exactly what a redirect is [10:19] bluefoxicy: turning it to off is BAD [10:19] fabbione: in other words, un-authenticated remote administration of routing tables. The best "secure" method we have is "look at gateways in our list," which turns into "spoof the default gateway" [10:19] fabbione: how is it bad [10:20] my understanding is that this isn't generally used except in very specific environments [10:20] bluefoxicy: if you disable it, you can cause a DoS on the network [10:20] bluefoxicy: it's always used [10:20] how can you cause a DoS [10:20] the only nodes I can imagine caring would be ... well... routers [10:20] host A wants to talk to host B [10:20] and they typically use a routing information protocol [10:20] host A default gw C [10:21] C is a router on the same subnet as D [10:21] B is connected behind D [10:21] A -- C -- D -- B ? [10:21] when i first attempt from A to talk to B, C tells me that D is behind D [10:21] (with a redirect) [10:21] infinity: ta. *gone* [10:21] A C D are on the same subnet [10:21] BD are on another subnet [10:21] ah. [10:22] C is default gw of A [10:22] C knows where B is due routing table [10:22] so you're saying [10:22] ok? [10:22] A's routing table is misconfigured. [10:22] no [10:22] and you want it to magically fix itself. [10:22] A is perfectly configured host with one default gw [10:22] A default gw is C [10:22] C knows that B is behind D [10:23] ACD are on the same subnet [10:23] when A tries to talk to B [10:23] C will tell A (with a redirect) that B is behind D [10:23] at the expense that E on the same subnet as A C D can tell A (via spoofed ICMP packet from IP address C) that IT is the choice router for 0.0.0.0/0 (default gw) and thus now have a man-in-the-middle position between A and * [10:23] becuase it's totally pointless for the traffic to go trough A [10:23] also [10:23] subnets were created for a reason. [10:24] Each subnet should exist in exactly one place; and all routers attached to it should be on its subnet on attached interface. [10:24] bluefoxicy: if E has access to the physical network, it can do much worst than that. [10:24] your point is void [10:24] that setting is bad set to 0 [10:24] you're describing a condition where (A) has everything going through (C), (B) is on another subnet, and apparently nobody told (A) that that subnet is behind (D) [10:25] which is the proper way to set up the routing table [10:25] no [10:25] the subnet (B) is on should not be inaccessible directly by (D) at any point [10:25] you don't understand the picture i am giving to you [10:25] if it is your network is wrong. [10:25] the perfect configured network [10:25] no errors whatsoever [10:25] A 192.168.1.100 [10:25] C 192.168.1.1 [10:26] D 192.168.1.2 [10:26] what subnet is behind C? [10:26] D has also a 10.0.0.2 interface [10:26] routers have at least 2 interfaces (by definition) [10:26] C 172.... whatever.. === rulus [n=roel@207.28-243-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] okay [10:26] B is 10.0.0.100 [10:26] ok? [10:26] then A should know to send 172.* to c and 10.* to D [10:27] right they do [10:27] we assume they are talking somekind of IGP [10:27] and then traffic will never be routed to the wrong router [10:27] A is a host... remember.. one default gw [10:27] exactly [10:27] yes [10:27] A sends a packets to B [10:27] the packets hits C [10:28] normally you don't really have two routers on the same network segment [10:28] wrong [10:28] you can have N routers on a network segment [10:28] wait, yeah... I did. [10:28] C recog that packets from A can travel trough D directly to reach B [10:28] C sends a redirect back to A [10:29] A sends the packets via D [10:29] but the hosts on that segment had their default routes pointing in whatever direction The Internet was in; and routes to other things (the Wifi AP for one; also the Active Directory server) pointing towards the nearest router in that direction [10:29] C forgets of that traffic 100% [10:29] why can't you let me finish before doing other assumptions? [10:29] the default gw does NOT necessarely points to internet [10:29] yeah [10:29] no, but mine did. I'm saying, my HOSTS each had 2-3 ROUTES [10:30] ok you are not listening [10:30] pointless to discuss [10:30] each host knew about the routers around it, and the routes into the network; they didn't need the routers to tell them about it [10:31] you're saying that each host is only going to have a default route; no other routes are possible [10:31] and that routers are going to tell them how to route packets to other routers near them [10:31] you are putting words in my mounths i didn't say [10:31] a host needs only a default gw [10:31] A is a host... remember.. one default gw [10:31] the router will tell the host where to find the other stuff via icmp_redirect [10:31] it doesn't need [10:32] more than one route [10:32] if you disable the icmp_redirect you will see default GW DoSed by ubuntu machines [10:33] only in network topologies that bank on that set-up [10:33] and how uncommon do you think they are? [10:33] bah, I'll have to research it more. [10:33] you better do [10:35] s/C/R1/ s/D/R2 [10:35] and you just made word for word Microsoft's same explanation of the issue [10:37] of course, you didn't let me finish the explanation without coming up with other stuff [10:37] the final issue is simple === bluefoxicy finds a paper that says ICMP redirects point out "bad network design" and that "well designed network should not rely on or desire ICMP redirects" ... that's the same thing he just said [10:38] it's a two way channel, I can talk and listen at the same time [10:38] if host A block redirects from R1 to talk to to B via R2 [10:38] you will endup routing all the traffic from A to B via R1 and R2 [10:38] when there is no real need to involve R1 [10:38] now [10:38] in fact I can hold multiple lines of conversation with the same person or multiple people at the same time; although when with the same person they consistently have trouble demuxing the conversations from eachother [10:39] if you want a practical example [10:39] A is your workstation [10:39] R1 is your 10Mb asdl router [10:39] fabbione: and if your network is designed well in the first place you won't have that problem [10:39] bluefoxicy: wrong.. again.. === StevenK wonders when fabbione will realease the specs for "ASDL" [10:40] Mark Shuttleworth on More4 >>> http://www.channel4.com/more4/news/news-opinion-feature.jsp?id=350 [10:40] StevenK: well ADSL ;) [10:40] R2 is your gigabit server that act also as rotuer to your 100Mb printer [10:40] B is the printer [10:41] disable ICMP_Redirect and print [10:41] and tell me if you can actually get to ping the adsl router [10:41] (assuming you print a doc big enough.. like 100MB ps file) [10:41] lol this is cute [10:41] ping host B [10:41] and let it run [10:41] repeat the above with icmp_redirect turned on [10:42] (accepting icmp_redirect of course) [10:42] and it will keep firing pings through router C, and it will keep sending redirects to host A [10:43] that too [10:43] fabbione: that's with redirects on [10:43] off [10:43] no, on. [10:43] Ping doesn't re-initialize its route from the routing table until you restart the program [10:43] if the redirect is accepted than you won't see all the redirects from C [10:43] what kernel are you running? 2.0? [10:44] no, i'm reading a paper [10:44] the last kernel i saw with such problem was 2.2.0 from RH [10:44] oh clearly.. test it [10:44] 2.4 or higher don't behave that way [10:44] route lookup is performed on a pkt base [10:44] my network layouts look more like HOST --- ROUTER -- 2 ROUTERS -- OTHER HOSTS [10:44] or a router with 15 ports on it, etc. [10:45] that's not the same setup i did describe to you [10:45] instead of trying to daisy chain routers through switches or hubs [10:45] the setup you descibed to me was "day 2 of CISCO CCNA academy: Don't Ever Do This, It's Stupid" === geser [n=michael@85.25.111.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] ahhaha [10:46] yeah right [10:46] ok [10:46] I wanted to kill justin for his braindead network layout he gave us to implement, it took us 1.5 months to get it half-functional. [10:46] whatever [10:47] if he used a design where the routing was actually a backbone instead of a distributed mess mixed in with the rest of the network, it would'a been 3 days. [10:47] according to your view there can't be more than one router in a subnet with hosts... [10:47] we kept runnining into issues like (amazingly) hosts having to have 2-3 routing table entries [10:47] i don't care what you did at your CCNA [10:48] actually that network was in my implementing and maintaining network intrusion defenses class [10:48] and my view isn't that you can't do it [10:48] it's that it's rather close to pouring whiskey into your gas tank [10:48] it'll work [10:48] it's still not the best idea. [10:49] aww... this guy doesn't even address any security issues :( [10:49] he just talks about how networks reliant on redirects are inefficient and poorly designed. That's no fun. [10:49] it's 5am [10:50] I need sleep. [10:50] fabbione: I am pretty certain that any network you give me lain out like that I can do better. [10:50] and yeah [10:50] if you have routers forwarding to routers on the same interface you're doubling the bandwidth, which halves your capacity and can lead to network storms === fabbione wonders how he managed to admin AS3263 and AS6762 with over 50GB of traffic than... [10:51] but fixing the design will fix that [10:51] anyway [10:51] sleep0rz [10:51] i don't care how you design the net [10:51] that kind of networks are in use [10:51] by who.. i don't care [10:51] it's a real use case [10:52] there are a lot of 'real use cases' that are both stupid and fixable for a low but significant cost barrier [10:52] unfortunately i'd be lying if I said I didn't think they mattered [10:58] Kamion: WOOHOO! congrats :-) === rulus [n=roel@207.28-243-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-106-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-210-231.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] doko: hi [11:23] doko: around ? [11:23] carlos: yes [11:23] doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~carlos/oo-translations-20060808.tar.gz [11:23] carlos: ohh, nice. === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moberg_ [n=peter@c83-248-87-172.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] seb128, hi [11:55] seb128, asked Prashanth Mohan to upload [11:55] seb128, evolution scripts [11:55] re [11:55] cool [11:55] seb128, now they are available with a ready me [11:55] seb128, me getting the link [11:55] nice [11:56] seb128, Evolution automation scripts are now uploaded here - http://people.freedesktop.org/~prashmohan/evolution/ [11:57] nags: thank you for the pointer [11:57] seb128, can I convert that avi to ogg - screencast of Evolution automation and Tinderbox integration ? Many people were unable to view the contents properly. They all reported the screen is blank [11:57] nags: probably but I'm not sure of how [11:58] seb128, If possible can somebody verify those Evolution scripts and give their feedback, so that we can incorporate them back ? and over a period of time, we can use that in regression ? [11:58] seb128, okay, no problem :) [11:58] nags: yeah, that would be nice to get them integrated [11:58] seb128, also, I'm working with cr3, I will let him know about the scripts [11:59] thom++ on your blog post [11:59] seb128, we are also working on gedit scripts, more than 70 scenarios we have automated, by next week it will be on your table :) [12:00] brb [12:01] rock! === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-159.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] seb128: pong re bug #48138 [12:27] Malone bug 48138 in totem "totem-xine crashes when started with no argument" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48138 [12:27] seb128: I reassigned it because following the bugtrail, and after looking at the referenced gnome bug, I came to the conclusion that the bug is rather somewhere in totem-xine than libxine [12:28] siretart: just wanted to point that the commit message is a libxine one, it has been reassigned back to xine-lib since ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] siretart: I've not copied the first line of the comment from bugzilla which is "Fixed in xine-lib HEAD" [12:29] follow by the "revision 1.30" [12:29] oh. I see. my bad [12:29] checking xine-lib cvs.. [12:32] hi === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] seb128: you're right, my bad. I identified the patch in upstream cvs, I can try to cherry pick that patch to our package. [12:35] siretart: np, thank you for looking at it, that would be nice ;) === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc70.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Does anyone here know where I can find documentation about the way ubiquity works? [12:49] RTFS? [12:49] heh === Hobbsee likes pitti's answer [12:52] ozamosi: seriously, you can look into the various specifications on wiki.ubuntu.com [12:52] If S means spec, then yes, that's what I'm looking for. [12:52] ozamosi: 'S' usually means 'source', but the specs might be helpful as well, depending on how much detail you need [12:55] Of course... When the spec was written, it was called Ubuntu Express... Found it! :) [01:01] ubuntu express was renamed to espresso and then to ubiquity [01:01] to aid in your searching === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] hey Hobbsee [01:23] hi pygi [01:24] guys, I have a pending update for xorg-server (about 16 new patches applied). I'd like to have as much testing as possible, on this new release === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] it is available on http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/xorg-server/ (for i386 and amd64) [01:24] rodarvus: will test [01:24] rodarvus: grabbing [01:24] ajmitch, thanks! [01:25] pitti, thanks! [01:26] Hum. [01:26] Launchpad is on crack. [01:26] StevenK: this is news? [01:26] The buildd log says a build took 48 seconds, and Launchpad says it took 16 minutes. [01:27] ajmitch: :-P [01:27] StevenK, I'm sure the LaunchPad developers will be thankful to receive your bug report :) === pitti wonders whether he is on crack and why all built package binaries suddenly already have gnu debuglinks; this breaks debhelper's -dbg package building === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] can anyone please bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkg-create-dbgsym/ubuntu , cd dhtest.dbg, and debuild -us -uc -b? (on very latest edgy) [01:35] (or apt-get source pkg-create-dbgsym, works as well) [01:35] building zsh breaks for me, too [01:38] pitti, it works - do you want me to upload the resulting .deb somewhere? [01:38] rodarvus: no, not necessary [01:38] rodarvus: suddenly, all packages which build a -dbg package break for me [01:38] rodarvus: since they already have a gnu debuglink, so when dh_strip tries to add its own, it breaks [01:38] time to reinstall? :) [01:39] rodarvus: bwah, I reinstalled two days ago :/ [01:39] ouch [01:39] and it still worked yesterday [01:39] it broke after today's dist-upgrade [01:39] I reinstalled my main desktop yesterday [01:39] too much breakage on it after building/testing X.Org 7.1 [01:39] rodarvus: do you have libc 2.4-1ubuntu7? === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] it's the only package that is remotely toolchanin [01:40] pitti, yes [01:40] although I don't see how libc6 would have influence on the debuglink [01:40] hm [01:40] my box is clearly screwed then [01:40] rodarvus: thanks! [01:40] np [01:40] pitti: i killed it last night. sorry about that :P === pitti grrs at Hobbsee [01:42] pitti: the plan of world domination is succeeding. === Hobbsee grabs her whip, and shows it to pitti. be careful, oh growling one :P === pitti changes from grrring to purring [01:44] pitti, wait [01:44] rodarvus: please tell me I'm not on crack [01:44] building the code from bzr fails for me too, while building from the source in the archives works [01:45] rodarvus: are you sure? they are identical === Hobbsee hugs pitti :) [01:45] yup [01:45] good pitti [01:45] pitti, pasted on /msg window [01:45] rodarvus: right, I get the same error here [01:45] rodarvus: bug diff -Nur' in the two directories shouldn't give any difference, doesn it? [01:46] let me check [01:46] can anyone else on *latest* dapper please try to build zsh and see whether dh_strip aborts with an "Invalid operation"? [01:47] pitti: I can do this, give me a bit [01:47] rodarvus: I get the same fault from the archive version [01:47]