[12:17] <nixternal> mdke, if you are still awake, i have done the aboutkubuntu translation, up to last step under "step 3", the makefile. there are 7 new dir/files (ku, ms, be, he, hi, ta, is) listed with ?, which in this case means they aren't in svn yet, and I fixed a simple error with the "it" translation .xml
[12:19] <nixternal> mdke: i see the "Makefile" for about:  ../build/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ and so on, this is where I add the new translations..now once all this is done, do i create a diff and email it?
[12:29] <nixternal> mdke: http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/aboutkubuntu_translation.xml.diff
[01:12] <Burgwork> mdke, you still up?
[01:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I think it might be a little late (or early) for him yet
[01:55] <Burgwork> LaserJock, it is just on midnight there
[01:55] <Burgwork> am I going to see you at ubucon?
[01:57] <LaserJock> yes
[01:57] <LaserJock> I'm up for 2 talks perhaps
[01:57] <LaserJock> one on contributing to Ubuntu and the other on Launchpad and other Ubuntu tools
[01:58] <LaserJock> I'm hoping they actually find somebody qualified (like a LP dev) to do the second one :-)
[01:59] <Burgwork> right
[01:59] <Burgwork> so far I have escaped giving any talks
[02:00] <LaserJock> well, I went to the organizational meeting
[02:00] <LaserJock> heh
[02:00] <LaserJock> so they were looking around for MOTUs and I was the only one present :-)
[02:00] <Burgwork> right, that was the one I missed
[02:01] <Burgwork> I miss most meetings, as I hate them
[02:01] <bimberi> @now london
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/London: August 10 2006, 01:01:49
[02:03] <bimberi> fact of life: if you turn up to meetings you find leave with tasks :)
[02:04] <bimberi> s/find //
[02:04] <LaserJock> sure, I kinda figured
[04:08] <jsgotangco> interesting freespire has codecs
[04:08] <jsgotangco> seems to be more of a knee jerk reaction to say hey we got more and we're giving it free now
[04:10] <nixternal> heh
[04:11] <nixternal> jsgotangco: are you familiar with doing doc translations, dl'n them from Rosetta, running translate.sh on them and what not?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> there was an email on that no?
[04:11] <nixternal> ya, i was working with mdke on it..as i have the kubuntu docs completed, well as far as i can tell
[04:12] <nixternal> actually, i have a lot of manual fixes yet to do for the desktop guide, but i complete the aboutkubuntu ones
[04:12] <nixternal> i received 7 or so ? when i did svn status.   the ? are referenced to new translation directories that aren't on svn
[04:13] <jsgotangco> ahh i dont delve too much on the translations, i have too much stuff to do already
[04:13] <nixternal> hehe
[04:13] <nixternal> didn't know if you did them in the past or not..im anxious to see if i did them right
[04:13] <jsgotangco> mdke is the current authority for that
[04:13] <nixternal> i got all of the xml validation errors fixed, and created the patch
[04:13] <jsgotangco> you dont have svn access yet?
[04:13] <nixternal> not yet
[04:14] <nixternal> i want to make sure what i did is correct first
[04:14] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/
[04:14] <nixternal> aboutkubuntu_translations.xml.patch is what i created
[04:15] <nixternal> svn diff > blahfdlajfda.xml.patch after doing the fixes and what not, and fixed the makefile as well
[04:15] <nixternal> just have to be patient for about another 5 hours ;)
[04:15] <nixternal> mdke will be on by then
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> Hello.
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortKnocking
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> I would like to point out that Example 1 is sub-optimal.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: it is a wiki. Please fix as needed
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia: oh, I didn't see the edit link.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> you need to login
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> I'm also not sure how i should rewrite it.
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> since I don't want to just cut out information, but i don't want to make the page twice as long either
[05:05] <Burgundavia> that part I leave up to you
[05:06] <bluefoxicy> (the first example shows blocking port 22 completely; but you can block SYN packets, open for an IP, then close for that IP and established connections will keep running; TCP itself has a lot of anti-spoofing measures for existing connections)
[05:06] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  Eh.  Then I'm going to put an endnote and let someone else make it flow right if they want.
[05:07] <bluefoxicy> oh wait nm
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> what the heck
[05:08] <bluefoxicy> "Then, edit the configuration file. We will present two different approches. One that is more adapted to connections with no keep-alive (http for example !), another mode adapted to permenant connections (SSH, IRC...)."
[05:09] <bluefoxicy> screw this, I have no idea what I'm reading.
[05:15] <nixternal> lol
[05:15] <Burgundavia> right
[05:21] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: just redirect https://wiki.ubuntu.com/newbe_to_newbe_guide_to_linux_commands_-_a_documentation_of_a_learning_proccess
[05:22] <Madpilot> meh. Inclined to just delete it, but that wouldn't help
[05:22] <Burgundavia> don't do that
[05:23] <Burgundavia> the redirected pages need to say "Redirecting..."
[05:23] <Burgundavia> because if the help wiki is slow, people are not catching it
[05:24] <Madpilot> Mediawiki does internal redirects better than MoinMoin...
[05:24] <Burgundavia> yes it does
[05:24] <Burgundavia> although is technically an external one
[05:25] <Burgundavia> you can set the refresh to anypage
[05:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Website
[05:28] <Madpilot> heh. Cool trick, if a bit pointless :)
[05:28] <Burgundavia> hey, life happens
[06:32] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20168
[06:33] <nixternal> take a look at that docbook guys
[06:33] <nixternal> i know the error is with the , choisissez after </guimenu> when validating xml
[06:33] <nixternal> i can remove that and it works fine, however it would mess up the translation..
[09:13] (dsas/#ubuntu-doc) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DemocracyPlayer ?
[09:14] (fyrestrtr/#ubuntu-doc) wth why don't they stick with wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:14] (dsas/#ubuntu-doc) documentation goes on the documentation wiki at help.ubuntu.com/community
[09:15] <fyrestrtr> so what's the difference between that, and wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <dsas> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs for details
[09:15] <dsas> wiki.ubuntu.com is being used for specifications, team pages, development stuff etc.
[09:16] <Madpilot> fyrestrtr, I moved it
[09:17] <Madpilot> actually, no, I didn't move DemocracyPlayer - but someone else did 
[09:17] <Madpilot> I've moved a bunch of other pages in the last couple of days :)
[09:35] <nixternal> http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=5789
[09:40] <Burgundavia> lloydinho: can you please merge ContributetoUbuntu with HelpingUbuntu?
[09:41] <lloydinho> on the wiki?
[09:41] <lloydinho> Sure.
[09:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:41] <Burgundavia> note that HelpingUbuntu is going to go the ubuntu website RSN
[09:42] <Burgundavia> it also strikes me that people cannot effectively contribute to Ubuntu without a web connection (of some kind) and thus it does not make sense to have an offline document
[09:42] <lloydinho> is Helping Ubuntu going on the Ubuntu website?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> yes, at /community/contribute
[09:42] <Burgundavia> it still needs some work and I want jono to look over it
[09:43] <lloydinho> Well, I based most of the contributetoUbuntu on HelpingUbuntu and the old participate page, so my idea of a merge would be replacing most of it...
[09:43] <lloydinho> What did you have in mind with a merge, exactly?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> I want one document, how we get there is kind of immaterial to me
[09:44] <lloydinho> okay. I'll put them together, and you can have a look at it afterwards.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> the high level goals of HelpingUbuntu are to describe the major projects of ubuntu and shuffle people off to those projects, without bogging down in lots of details
[09:45] <Burgundavia> for instance, I find both particiapte and your page way too wordy
[09:45] <Burgundavia> mine is probably a little too far, but I think we can find a good compromise
[09:46] <lloydinho> Yeah, both mine and the participate page offer people specific tasks that they can do without having to look further.
[09:47] <lloydinho> Most of the team pages are very detailed and presume that people are in for the long haul.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> right, I don't think that is write way
[09:47] <Burgundavia> right way, rather
[09:47] <Burgundavia> we can fix the team pages
[09:47] <Burgundavia> we should describe what the teams do, rather than what they are doing right now
[09:47] <lloydinho> Yes. Well, that was the idea of the TeamPageTemplates.
[09:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I only care that teams at least have a /projects and a /getinvolved page
[09:57] <lloydinho> the more I look at this HelpingUbuntu page, the less I like it. Explaining each team and its tasks in one or two sentences is simply not enough for people who have little experience with F/OSS community work.
[09:57] <Burgundavia> right, like I said, mine is probably a little too sparse
[09:57] <Burgundavia> I also haven't worked on it for a long while
[09:58] <lloydinho> Hmm. I suppose we'll have to find something in between.
[09:58] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:58] <Burgundavia> go nuts, edit like a wild man
[09:58] <lloydinho> heh
[10:08] <Burgundavia> mdke: do you have fop on doc.ubuntu.com?
[10:08] <mdke> Burgundavia: yes, but building pdfs doesn't work on there
[10:09] <Burgundavia> from svg?
[10:09] <Burgundavia> bugger
[10:09] <mdke> I dunno about from svg. probably not
[10:09] <mdke> I've only tries from xml
[10:10] <mdke> but unlikely that it will work, it was the images that cause the problem - the particular imaging library it uses requires X, or something crazy like that
[10:10] <Burgundavia> right
[10:10] <Burgundavia> I am trying to get this bloody svg into pdf form
[10:11] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, who's doing the printing?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> fast print, near the bay st. bridge
[10:12] <mdke> nixternal: can you post me that link again?
[10:12] <nixternal> sure
[10:12] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/translations/diffs/
[10:12] <mdke> thanks
[10:12] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, best case scenario: they take SVG. Worst: Export as bitmap->huge PNG->Scribus or GIMP->PDF
[10:13] <Burgundavia> I will try that tomorrow
[10:13] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/translations/    <-- this has the .tar.gz files of the aboutkubuntu/ and desktopguide/
[10:13] <mdke> nixternal: do those include completely new translations?
[10:13] <nixternal> there are a few yes
[10:13] <mdke> in the diffs?
[10:14] <nixternal> yes
[10:14] <mdke> great
[10:14] <mdke> it's the diffs I want so I'll grab those
[10:14] <nixternal> ok
[10:16] <mdke> nixternal: no new translations for aboutkubuntu?
[10:18] <nixternal> there were a few
[10:18] <mdke> nixternal: they aren't in your patch
[10:19] <nixternal> hmmm
[10:19] <nixternal> let me check it here
[10:20] <nixternal> ku/ ms/ be/ he/ hi/ ta/ is/   are all new for about kubuntu...so doing svn diff doesn't pick up the new stuff
[10:20] <mdke> ok
[10:20] <mdke> do "svn add *" then "svn diff" again
[10:20] <mdke> that way you'll get them in the diff
[10:21] <nixternal> yup
[10:21] <nixternal> lemme patch and up really quick
[10:24] <nixternal> diff rather ;)
[10:25] <nixternal> one sec..almost done
[10:25] <nixternal> desktopguide.diff is a biggie
[10:25] <mdke> ok, i'll just look at aboutkubuntu for now
[10:26] <nixternal> ok, they are done...refresh that page
[10:29] <mdke> that's better!
[10:29] <mdke> ok, who knows a bit of bash scripting?
[10:31] <nixternal> don't everyone speak up at once ;)
[10:31] <Burgundavia> some, what do you need?
[10:32] <mdke> I need to do: for x in *, do ../../validate.sh x/aboutkubuntu.xml
[10:32] <mdke> as it were
[10:33] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is loops, never really got those to work, plus it is 1am here
[10:35] <mdke> ok, sorted, I think
[10:36] <mdke> nixternal: aboutkubuntu looks good to me
[10:36] <nixternal> cool
[10:37] <nixternal> about kubuntu was the easier one, as the edits were all pretty easy
[10:37] <mdke> ok, let's try desktopguide now
[10:37] <nixternal> validate.sh was my friend
[10:37] <nixternal> i would make an edit, save, validate..just so i wasn't stepping on my own toes
[10:38] <nixternal> plus Kate has built in XML validation which goes a step further
[10:38] <mdke> oh great, so you validated every file before moving on to the next one?
[10:38] <nixternal> oh ya
[10:39] <nixternal> ../../validate.sh desktopguide.xml   in the respected directory..and that would spit out all the errors
[10:39] <mdke> excellent
[10:39] <nixternal> then i would make edits to respected file, save it, and then run validation again, to make sure i didn't miss anything
[10:39] <nixternal> and to make sure i didn't break anything
[10:40] <mdke> perfect
[10:43] <mdke> ah, ms/preface.xml is missing
[10:43] <nixternal> let me look
[10:43] <mdke> no, not your fault
[10:44] <nixternal> oh
[10:44] <mdke> otherwise, everything good with desktopguide too, nice work
[10:44] <nixternal> thank you!
[10:44] <mdke> how did you fix the id errors?
[10:44] <nixternal> i would open them up with Kate, as well as the same file under C/ and reference back and forth
[10:45] <nixternal> most of the id errors were spelling mistakes anyways
[10:45] <nixternal> dan instead of and
[10:45] <mdke> excellent
[10:45] <mdke> it's a good way to get familiar with xml this :)
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[10:45] <nixternal> oh, i am familiar with xml, as i have done docbook work int he past
[10:46] <mdke> gotcha
[10:46] <nixternal> plus i have been playing around with the "Switching" guides as well with jjesse
[10:47] <mdke> ok. So you changed kubuntu/Makefile too?
[10:47] <nixternal> yes
[10:47] <nixternal> i added the new directories in for html build and pdf build
[10:48] <nixternal> i didn't mess with the LuLu stuff though, as it seemed there were only a few listed there
[10:48] <nixternal> plus if need be, they can be added very easily
[10:48] <mdke> that's absolutely fine.
[10:49] <mdke> one thing though on the pdfs, you've used some of the specific parameters that were korean only as your template
[10:50] <mdke> so I'm going to remove this bit: "--stringparam body.font.family "batang" --stringparam monospace.font.family "dotum""
[10:50] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:50] <nixternal> ya, because i copied/pasted 
[10:51] <mdke> korean and some other languages need special fonts, that is why that bit is there.
[10:57] <mdke> nixternal: splendid, thanks a lot for that.
[10:58] <mdke> just doing a test build of everything now
[10:58] <nixternal> no problem, just a token of my appreciation for letting me hang out around here ;)
[10:59] <mdke> argh!
[10:59] <nixternal> uh oh
[10:59] <nixternal> how bad?
[11:00] <nixternal> whew
[11:00] <nixternal> you had me sweatin' on that one
[11:00] <mdke> my bad, I've updated and he has fixed it
[11:01] <mdke> excellent, excellent
[11:01] <nixternal> lol
[11:02] <lloydinho> Burgundavia, have a look at the page now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu
[11:03] <Burgundavia> looks good
[11:03] <Burgundavia> I am about to crash
[11:03] <Burgundavia> night all
[11:03] <mdke> lloydinho: you're not giving up on the contributing article for the help system, right?
[11:03] <lloydinho> No, Burgundavia just wanted me to update the HelpingUbuntu page as well. 
[11:04] <Burgundavia> mdke: tbh, I just don't see the point of having an offline version
[11:04] <nixternal> lloydinho: for "Hardware Testing" there is now a PDA Testing Team as well
[11:04] <Burgundavia> to contribute meaningfullly to the ubuntu community, you really need a web connection of some kind, even if just at the library
[11:04] <Burgundavia> hence, lets just maintain the web one
[11:04] <mdke> Burgundavia: for a start, it's central to the inclusion of the packaging guide in the help system
[11:04] <lloydinho> nixternal,  then please add it ;-)
[11:05] <nixternal> how did i know that was coming ;)
[11:05] <mdke> and we've also hacked the contribute sections out of about-ubuntu and desktopguide in favour of using that
[11:05] <lloydinho> heh :)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> I don't really understand why the packaging guide should be shipped either
[11:05] <Burgundavia> as a supplemental package, maybe, but not shipping
[11:05] <nixternal> it is all apart of recruiting i think Burgundavia
[11:05] <nixternal> packaging is exciting and fun
[11:06] <Burgundavia> right, but again, can you contribute to the ubuntu community without some sorf of web connection, no
[11:06] <lloydinho> You can make packages without being on-line.
[11:06] <nixternal> nothing like debdiffs, pbuilder, chroot's, and what not
[11:06] <Burgundavia> and then what are you going to do with them?
[11:06] <mdke> for example, the Ubuntu build system makes packages without being on-line
[11:06] <Burgundavia> plus, packaging is going to be done by such a tiny minority
[11:06] <Burgundavia> to use pbuilder, you need bandwdith
[11:06] <Burgundavia> lots and lots of it
[11:06] <Burgundavia> there are plenty of debian people who don't use it for that very reason
[11:07] <Burgundavia> plus a shipped document is just likely to lead to frustration, as things change, projects change and people change
[11:07] <mdke> that's a nothing argument too, because the document has to change with them too
[11:07] <lloydinho> Burgundavia, you have a point - that is why the document I'm writing is generally more intended for people who have little experience with F/OSS and will be needing a little more hand-holding.
[11:07] <Burgundavia> plus the maintainence of two seperate docs, in two sperate places
[11:08] <mdke> it's not being maintained in two separate places
[11:08] <Burgundavia> they have a one para in about ubuntu and url
[11:08] <Burgundavia> to /community/participate
[11:08] <nixternal> you want to know the truth...only the past month or so i have actually read over the docs that come installed..and only because i wanted to learn the kde help center, so i could help out iwth the kubuntu documentation
[11:08] <Burgundavia> So you want to help, thats great. Please go here!
[11:08] <nixternal> other than that, i never looked at system documentation..not even when i used other distros as well
[11:08] <Burgundavia> right documentation is rarely used
[11:08] <nixternal> i read the KDE docs for the first time just recently
[11:09] <lloydinho> uh, well, we _are_ trying to get people to use the system docs more often.
[11:09] <Burgundavia> yes, we are
[11:09] <nixternal> however Burgundavia, i think that can also be contributed to the fact that i am somewhat tech savvy, and can usually fix my way out of an issue and what not..or i know where to go directly for my help
[11:09] <Burgundavia> the packaging guide and a contributing guide are really not going to help that
[11:09] <Burgundavia> nixternal: regular users rarely turn to docs either. It is well documented
[11:10] <Burgundavia> to me, the packaging guide is like dive in python (which is also no longer shipped)
[11:10] <Burgundavia> plus that space is small but meaningful
[11:11] <Burgundavia> anyway, I really need to sleep
[11:11] <Burgundavia> night
[11:11] <nixternal> nite
[11:11] <lloydinho> night.. :-)
[11:11] <lloydinho> wow, a little grumpy at the end there.
[11:12] <lloydinho> I still think that having off-line documentation makes very good sense.
[11:12] <nixternal> i agree, however i think there needs to be a better system to feed that documentation
[11:12] <nixternal> as it is right now, i don't see any reason for me to click "Help"
[11:12] <lloydinho> no, that's true.
[11:13] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: hi
[11:13] <lloydinho> Well, we've discussed having a top-level help menu as well...
[11:13] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: you sent me some mail
[11:13] <lloydinho> mvirkkil! Hi!
[11:13] <lloydinho> So you did get my mail. Sorry for pestering you! :-)
[11:13] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: I'm sorry I haven't been more active. I was organizing assembly2006 last week
[11:14] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: Yeah I did. You have to pester a bit more yet, because I haven't done what you asked. 
[11:14] <nixternal> i think people tend to view "Help" as super beginner information. like how to type or something...i think taking info that is on wiki pages and the wiki forums thing, turning them into documentation..that is a good idea, just need to find that way to feed the user the info
[11:14] <lloydinho> no problem. I'll do that if I have to.. :)
[11:14] <lloydinho> mvirkkil, but do you think it would be easy to do?
[11:15] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: yes, I think it shouldn't be a problem.
[11:15] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: Not super easy, but certainly doable.
[11:15] <lloydinho> mvirkkil, cool! It would be really great to have that feature as well. I'm sure we would make great use of it
[11:16] <mdke> what was the feature?
[11:16] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: I keep the whole docbook in memory, so at somepoint one could walk it and add the necessary stuff, before serializing it to txt
[11:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: "See this page on the wiki" or something.
[11:17] <lloydinho> mdke: yes the wiki referral links on the exported wiki2docbook pages
[11:17] <mdke> I don't get it
[11:17] <mdke> when you export a wikipage to docbook, you want a link which points back to the same wikipage?
[11:18] <lloydinho> so that people can edit it and add comments.
[11:18] <lloydinho> To make it easy to improve and add suggestions.
[11:18] <mvirkkil> mdke: I suppose the idea is that if someone reads our docs and wants to make a contribution somewhere, it's a click (and a login) away.
[11:18] <lloydinho> That was the idea, anyway.
[11:18] <mvirkkil> or your docs :=
[11:18] <mvirkkil> :)
[11:20] <lloydinho> mdke, I thought it was basically your idea to begin with. Having an easily editable wiki will make it easier to involve people in the documentation.
[11:20] <nixternal> mdke: so would you like me to tackle the xubuntu translations as well?
[11:20] <mdke> right I see where you're going. "Read this page on the wiki" wouldn't be an appropriate link though
[11:21] <mdke> it was the "read" bit that confused me... I thought, "but, they've just read it"
[11:21] <mdke> nixternal: if you fancy it, sure thing! There is a problem with those afaik, the validate script spits out the images, just ignore that
[11:22] <nixternal> ok..i will take a look at them in a few hours..im going to head off to sleepy land
[11:22] <nixternal> g'nite everyone!
[11:22] <mvirkkil> lloydinho: Where on a page should it be placed? Top or bottom?
[11:22] <lloydinho> good nite!
[11:22] <lloydinho> mvirkkil, at the bottom, I think.
[11:23] <mdke> "Contribute to this document"?
[11:23] <lloydinho> mdke, I think the original phrase was "Does this work for you? Share your experiences, tips and tricks and improve the Ubuntu documentation >> to wiki page"
[11:23] <mvirkkil> ok. Please keep bugging me about it so I won't forget it.
[11:23] <lloydinho> mvirkkil, cool! Will do! :-)
[11:24] <lloydinho> ( >> = link)
[11:25] <mdke> i think it needs to be something that makes it clear that "wiki page" equates to a place that the user can work directly on the document
[11:26] <mdke> but anyhow, this can be tinkering with later
[11:27] <lloydinho> I think Mikko will make it so the exact text can be decided upon by the administrator exporting the doc
[11:29] <mdke> manicka: how do you feel about the way the team is looking? any issues that you want to sort out?
[11:31] <manicka> I like the direction it is taking. I guess we've pushed it a little into the doc-teams corner but that's ok with me
[11:32] <manicka> also, I'm happy to get things kicked off but we desperately need more team members to make it a reality in the long run
[11:32] <mdke> sure thing
[11:32] <manicka> I've worked in a team before where only one or two people did the work... it's not healthy
[11:33] <mdke> well, I think that if the right infrastructure is there for a team, and people are out there, and the team is visible enough, it will work
[11:33] <manicka> yes, i hope so :)
[11:33] <manicka> the fridge posting etc will help
[11:34] <manicka> i haven't looked at planet ubuntu yet, did you put one there as well?
[11:35] <mdke> yes
[11:35] <manicka> :)
[11:42] <manicka> I'd also like  a clearer idea of how we will keep the import page maintained. Do we need someone to oversee the posts that are added to it or for that matter need someone who regularly reviews the how-to forum for likely posts to add to the list
[11:43] <mdke> manicka: what do you think? I think it's the job of the whole team to use that page
[11:43] <manicka> I keep an eye on what the udsf adds to their threads to doc page but they have slowed down their work rate considerably of late
[11:43] <manicka> yes, I'd like the whole team to do it
[11:43] <manicka> I'd like that made clear somewhere
[11:44] <mdke> use the forum page for everything, feel free to edit it
[11:45] <manicka> ok
[11:49] <mdke> holy crap that is an unbelievable amount of new KDG translations
[11:50] <mdke> oh no, /me was looking at the wrong thing
[02:36] <mpt> mdke, did you get my mail?
[03:18] <mdke> mpt: yes, I take it you didn't get my reply
[03:21] <mpt> mdke, no
[03:22] <mdke> mpt: I'll resend it now
[03:22] <mpt> thanks
[03:22] <mdke> mpt: gone
[03:27] <lloydinho> mdke, did you see Corey's argument against having two separate Contribute docs above?
[03:27] <mdke> lloydinho: I saw his argument against shipping the contribute doc in the distribution anyway.
[03:27] <mdke> dunno about two separate docs
[03:28] <lloydinho> Yeah, well - same thing, really
[03:28] <lloydinho> I was just wondering what the best course of action on this would be.
[03:28] <mdke> we could ship the same doc in the help system as on the website...
[03:29] <lloydinho> Because Corey wants the succinct version of the Contribute doc. Just the basic "These are the teams. Here's how you can get in touch with them"
[03:30] <lloydinho> And I've been doing the verbose hand-holding "If you're unsure how to contribute, you can do this and that, and you can contact the team for more details"
[03:30] <lloydinho> I think they may have different audiences in mind.
[03:30] <mdke> ok, I can see that
[03:31] <lloydinho> I'm interested in appealing to new users who aren't familiar with F/OSS to any great extent
[03:31] <lloydinho> And give them a good introduction of how the Ubuntu community works.
[03:32] <lloydinho> That introduction would necessarily be different from the one that F/OSS veterans would want.
[03:32] <mdke> I think that sounds very good.
[03:32] <mdke> but again, I can also see why that approach would work for the website too
[03:34] <lloydinho> yes, we could well put the extended version on the website as well.
[03:34] <lloydinho> But I would very much like to just have one Contribute doc to maintain, too.
[03:35] <lloydinho> Would it be possible to have one extended document that you can "fold" into a shorter one?
[03:36] <lloydinho> I've seen that done with VIM, but it would be a neat trick to pull off on a webpage..
[03:37] <mdke> nothing springs to mind
[03:39] <lloydinho> I wouldn't think there would be any such solution readily available
[03:40] <mdke> shall we discuss further on the Mailing List, I need to go now
[03:40] <lloydinho> Yes. I would like that, too.
[03:40] <mdke> cool
[03:40] <lloydinho> Cool, I'll send a mail out. See ya.
[05:48] <nixternal> good mornin'
[06:20] <nixternal> LaserJock: class tonight!! i am definitely interested in that..and, what do you file a ubuntu.com bug against?
[06:23] <mdke> ubuntu-website
[06:28] <LaserJock> lloydinho: ping?
[06:29] <nixternal> ty mdke ;)
[06:29] <LaserJock> nixternal: I've just got to figure out how to do it :-)
[06:30] <nixternal> uh oh ;)
[06:33] <LaserJock> well, I started writing last night, and it just got huge
[06:35] <nixternal> ya, i expect it to be
[06:41] <nixternal> mdke:  xubuntu/desktopguide/am/desktopguide.xml   <xi:include.......... href="../../../common/am/preface.xml"/>    <- the error is becase there is no such directory or file under /common...easy fix?
[06:42] <mdke> nixternal: yes, do "svn mkdir common/am && svn cp common/C/preface.xml common/am/preface.xml"
[06:42] <nixternal> sweet, thanks
[06:42] <mdke> thanks again
[06:43] <nixternal> you the man mdke!
[07:35] <nixternal> mdke: xubuntu/desktopguide/sv/*.xml   all the files are empty...should the directory be removed, or just leave it as is and forget the errors due to the files being empty?
[08:11] <nixternal> mdke: http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/translations/diffs/             xubuntu_translations.diff is complete, and 5.8mb, 25 new translations/directories, 1 with empty .xml files, and the Makefile has been edited to create the new pdf's
[08:24] <mdke> nixternal: the empty xml file might be due to a bug in rosetta, I'll take a look tomorrow
[08:24] <mdke> nixternal: thanks for doing that, I'll deal tomorrow and upload
[08:27] <Burgwork> !time london
[08:27] <Burgwork> hmm, how do I activate that bloody bot again
[08:27] <mdke> it's 19.27
[08:27] <Burgwork> ah, ok
[08:27] <Burgwork> trying to get a hold of malcolm yates
[08:28] <Burgwork> +44 (0) 7769 703709 <-- is the zero part of the number
[08:28] <mdke> mobile
[08:29] <mdke> cellular, or whatever you guys call it
[08:29] <Burgwork> yep, but I am getting a "this number doens't work" when I dial it
[08:29] <mdke> have you tried ommitting the 0?
[08:29] <mdke> oh, that was a question
[08:29] <Burgwork> yep
[08:29] <mdke> i think generally it should be omitted
[08:29] <mdke> hmm
[08:37] <Burgwork> ok, got through
[08:45] <nixternal> np mdke, the xubuntu ones were easier, as the only mistakes was mispelling <sudo-and-root> as <sudo-dan-root> again. and <emphasis> being <emphasys>
[09:03] <jjesse> hmmm did we need to update our docs for 6.06.1 ?
[09:04] <jjesse> i'm referencing bug 55913
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55913 in ubuntu-docs "Firefox default Homepage should now reffer to 6.06.1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55913
[09:08] <nixternal> firefox default homepage..is that really doc related?  that is setup in the DE-default-settings isn't it?
[09:09] <nixternal> as for 6.06.1, nothing new and exciting really except for bug fixes..however, i think that maybe the "Release Notes" should have been updated to reflect version&
[09:09] <jjesse> probablly should have been communicated better w/ the doc team for expectations
[09:10] <nixternal> +1
[09:10] <nixternal> kubuntu meeting today as well jjesse, i have added a blurb to the agenda concerning "knot release" information
[09:11] <jjesse> nixternal: i know, though can't make it
[09:11] <jjesse> the time is not good
[09:11] <jjesse> for me
[09:11] <nixternal> as the knots come out, the releases need to start selling Edgy..as of right now, i have yet to see anything "bleeding edge" from any of the releases
[09:11] <nixternal> ya, 5 o'clock is traffic time for you
[09:12] <nixternal> sabdfl announced Edgy as bleeding edge, new technologies, you name it, to create a foundation for future releases of *ubuntu. 
[09:12] <nixternal> time we get edgy then ;)
[09:18] <jjesse> did you read his post in regards to communicating ggoals on his blgo?
[09:18] <jjesse> blog
[09:19] <nixternal> ya..im going to re-read it as well...that way there i can communicate well when it comes to the edgy stuff ;)
[09:19] <nixternal> right now im just a bumbling fool