=== Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-232.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === johnlittle [n=john@adsl-70-241-123-29.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Ckenyon [n=chrisken@217.205.109.249] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === johnlittle [n=john@adsl-70-241-109-253.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:54] hey all, I am wodnering something and need your opinion === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === _sara [n=sara@pool-151-204-6-236.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:34] nixternal: email from me in your inbox === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === QMario [n=QMario@unaffiliated/QMario] has joined #Ubuntu-marketing [03:44] Rinchen: you have an email from me in your inbox ;) [03:44] Nix: got it, thanks. And Yes, Mako is the answer. [03:45] nixternal, Rinchen: Mako is the answer? [03:46] on Ubuntu membership [03:46] mako still has 4 members to approve [03:46] I'm still waiting on my launchpad update so I can get a cloak, email, and do the other fun things. Nix already has his so I inquired. [03:47] what exactly do you have to do for membership? just participate in groups and get 'references' of sorts? [03:48] lophyte, lots of participation, bascially [03:49] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [03:49] ormiret, beat me too it :) [03:49] :) [03:49] yeah, I've read it.. just wanted to make it extra clar :P [03:49] clear, rather [03:50] also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto [03:51] ah [03:52] well, that's what I'm here for [03:53] nixternal: are you one of those four? [03:53] what 4? [03:53] oh ya [03:53] Rich Johnson [03:53] lol [03:53] i got Kubuntu membership in the mean time, so i am good [03:54] how do you prove activism? [03:54] lophyte, visibility [03:54] nixternal: great. yes i saw you on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [03:55] lophyte: the best way to answer that is to read through logs of previous CC meetings - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs [03:55] interesting..joey was approved just never added to the launchpad..so you aren't waiting for mako then, you need to poke and admin to fix it [03:56] bimberi: thanks :) [03:57] joey, you see that Colorado and Chicago got moved to official as well on the list correct? the LoCoTeamList that is [03:57] lophyte: np :) - btw don't look at mine, i was crap ;p [03:57] bimberi: lol [03:58] I guess I have to wait a while and allow my contributions to add up [04:02] lophyte: yep, that's the way, the phrase "at least two months of visible, significant activity" on the NewMemberHowTo is a good guide [04:03] Has an appointment to Canonical's Community Manager position been made yet? [04:04] yup, Jono Bacon [04:04] nix: I missed it but I poked Matthias about that one about 2 weeks ago :-) [04:04] kamion as well Rinchen [04:04] welshbyte: ahh, thanks [04:04] he is probably in bed right now, but he is pretty cool and is very helpful as well [04:31] heh - wonder if mdke's "stop posting long rambling emails to the marketing ML" email will have any affect? [04:38] Not if I start drinking... [04:39] heh [04:39] Don't Drink & IRC. Or Drink & Email. ;) [04:39] Esp in a logged channel [04:39] Is this ugly?: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ [04:40] no, looks good. [04:40] johnlittle: shiny [04:40] better than the colour scheme I'm currently inflicting on www.ubuntu-ca.org :) [04:40] Bad shiny or shiny happy people shiny? [04:41] johnlittle: i liked the old colors better ;) [04:41] well, the top logo part actually [04:41] colors are good [04:41] [21:31] heh - wonder if mdke's "stop posting long rambling emails to the marketing ML" email will have any affect? [04:41] simple answer: NO [04:41] Difficult and fully detailed answer: [04:41] NO [04:42] ;) [04:42] cynic :) [04:42] hehe [04:42] Can you put that reply in a ten paragraph answer to the ML? [04:42] sure [04:42] switched ubuntu video back..it was to shiny [04:43] too [04:43] nixternal, don't forget to use the word 'synergy' at least twice in your long, rambling reply - this is a marketing ML, after all :) [04:43] i haven't seen synergy in a while actually [04:43] i remember when that was the word for a week [04:43] I like organic synergy personally [04:44] http://192.168.1.61/official-desktop-happy-corey.png [04:47] Burgundavia, that URL isn't loading for me... [04:47] oh, crap, sorry, I cannot access ubuntu.ca or -ca.org within my firewall [04:47] 192.168.. [04:48] that is the internal IP, which is very seriously non-routable [04:48] ah, that's why - not a real IP :) [04:48] substitute ubuntu.ca in there [04:48] http://ubuntu-ca.org/official-desktop-happy-corey.png [04:48] what the heck is that? [04:48] the GNOME banner I am getting made, once I get PDF generation working [04:48] imagine that 3' x 5' [04:49] that's a scary looking happy face [04:49] Burgundavia: how about a KDE one ;) === nixternal hides [04:49] KDE users aren't happy nix [04:49] nixternal: I am at the GNOME booth at LWE [04:49] oooh [04:49] johnlittle: you better hide [04:49] lol [04:49] i am very happy ;) [04:49] Madpilot: scary, how? got a suggestion on a fix? [04:50] less scariness? j/k [04:50] tone down the big black bug-eyes? [04:50] make um bloodshot, the true eyes of a GNOME user ;) [04:50] http://ubuntu-ca.org/official-desktop-happy-corey.svg [04:51] nixternal: well, they would be bloodshot *and* non-smiling for a KDE one :) [04:51] lol [04:51] with a bullet hole in the head [04:51] I really like it...but if i stare at it for 10 or 15 seconds i get the feeling it wants to hurt me.. a lot [04:51] rofl [04:51] right, then fix it [04:51] i pasted the picture on kubuntu-devel ;p [04:51] im waiting patiently for the flaming to begin [04:51] given I am about to spend $200 CAD on a banner with that on it [04:52] i actually like it..it is simple, clean, and concise [04:52] Yeah I like it to..don't think many ppl would find it scary [04:52] Burgundavia, kill the stroke around the eyes, and make the slightly smaller - helps a lot, IMO [04:52] Madpilot: you have the svg, you do it [04:52] no worries, I am :) [04:53] "We can rebuild him, we have the SVG!" [04:53] We can make him...less scary [04:56] people are giving the Get Ubuntu video kid a hard time. hes like the star wars kid of linux [04:56] is "Official Desktop of Happy People" an actual Gnome slogan? [04:57] According to google it is [04:58] not official, per-se [04:58] de-facto official? [04:58] strongly pushed and I was given approval by a board member that they would reimburse me for the cost [04:59] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/official-desktop-happy-corey-2.svg <-- toned down the happy face a fair bit, I think he's non-scary enough now [04:59] Youre bankrolling it? nice [05:00] also, I think the "Does your desktop..." & "Official Desktop..." text should be larger [05:00] It is surprisingly less scary [05:01] yes [05:02] Burgundavia, loose that little pale yellow bit under the mouth, too [05:03] yep, that looks good [05:03] now I just have to get this thing into a pdf for the sign shop [05:03] the odyssey [05:04] I hope people start making something besides xgl videos [05:04] Burgundavia, export it as a monster PNG, then use either Scribus's native PDF creation or the GIMP's connection to CUPS_PDF === Madpilot wishes Inkscape's printing support didn't suck [05:04] hmm, that is an idea [05:05] with native cairo and the gtk printing stuff [05:06] Burgundavia, actually, try (in Inkscape) File->Save As, then put the dropdown to PDF [05:06] doesn't work [05:06] try it yourself [05:07] johnlittle: just fyi: it is Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux and thus it is Edubuntu, not Edubuntu Linux [05:07] Burgundavia, you need to adjust the page size in Inkscape to match the actual image size [05:08] Madpilot: it should be [05:08] never mind, that still doesn't work :| [05:09] I was referring to it that way in an attempt to be a little clearer for people new to the subject..but youre right it doesnt work from a branding perspective [05:10] absolutely [05:10] I bludgeon people for that mistake. Community members merely mean I don't have to go as far ;) === bimberi is still recovering ;) [05:11] Burgundavia, looks like Inkscape's native PDF creation is still fubar'd - try the giant PNG method [05:11] or figure out the command line cupspdf stuff :) [05:17] Burgundacvia: THink I caught those edits..let me know if you find more [05:17] indeed, will do [05:29] the ubuntu billboard made diggnation [05:40] yeah, think that's the first linux billboard EVER :P [05:40] unlikely [05:40] it was sarcasm :P [06:00] Anyone seen the guys in penguin suits giving out ubuntu disks at a steve ballmer speech? [06:08] there's a video of that, isn't there? [06:08] what are we trying to make? [06:09] Madpilot: yeah..unfortunately the video is boring lol [06:11] http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/ [06:11] new video..downloading ubuntu [06:37] Steve Ballmer bothers me [06:40] When he dances linux gains market share [06:44] Well, RSM bothers me almost as much, so meh. [06:44] RMS [06:45] Yeah he costs us a few points..they cancel each other out [06:48] rofl [06:48] wtf === poningru cant see the video === poningru doesnt have flash [06:50] :( === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ === Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by matthewrevell at Wed Aug 9 17:38:11 2006 === #ubuntu-marketing [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-marketing.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ === Topic (#ubuntu-marketing): set by matthewrevell at Wed Aug 9 17:38:11 2006 === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481DE46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:53] greetings programs! [09:54] morning human [09:55] there goes the neighborhood [09:55] nixternal: we had one? I guess this cardboard box is mine and that one over there is yours. Hmm, that doesn't leave much for matthewrevell though... ;) [09:56] i think i have a spare shoebox just for him [09:56] nope, it is my outhouse, sorry === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:56] nixternal: sounded perfect until you mentioned that [09:56] hehe [09:57] So, what's new? [09:57] matthewrevell: I would love more people to help with the UWN and the Knot2 release information [09:57] i have no answer for that question ;) [09:57] Burgundavia: btw, Knot2 for Kubuntu is done, except for a link to download it [09:58] nixternal: cool, but I don't see much cool new crack on it [09:58] tell my why I want Knot2? [09:58] what about the new easy zeroconf? [09:58] oh it is lovely ;) [09:58] you want knot2 to test it, thats why you want it [09:58] right, sell me [09:59] you want to download it, and file about 20 bugs [09:59] Burgundavia: This kinda comes back to my, somewhat disputed, suggestion that some of what's being discussed on the ML amounts to vanity projects. [09:59] yes [09:59] Burgundavia: There's plenty to do - like UWN and Knot - but people would rather build their own empires, it seems. [09:59] good analogy there, i never looked at it that way [10:00] As for my involvement, I'm definitely up for helping out with UWN. Knot reports I have no experience of. [10:00] yep [10:00] 'vanity projects' - thank you, now I have a name for what I've been noticing ;) [10:00] I'm still wondering what happened to the web magazine [10:00] hehe exactly [10:00] digitalmouse: It's raising its head again. [10:00] digitalmouse: it is http://fridge.ubuntu.com [10:00] funny, the marketing guy at work (who gets paid for this kind of thing), is just as prone to long winded diaherrea-like mental outgassings [10:00] hahahahah [10:00] digitalmouse, the Ubuntu Magazine thing is an undead project, it will not die [10:01] Some of the idea for content are interesting but the magazine itself is a solution looking for a problem. [10:01] Burgundavia: It seems marketing attracts such people :) [10:01] yep [10:01] it is also a bloody lot of work [10:01] it attracted me ;) [10:01] hey wait a second ;) [10:02] my case study is essentially stalled because of that, but I heard chris kenyon is working on a template [10:02] now that is an essential project right there [10:02] Yeah. [10:02] how else can you determine what you need to market, and what you don't [10:02] mdke's post to the ml yesterday sort of said what I'd planned to. [10:03] However, I'm going to post a "To do" email. [10:03] matthewrevell: I tried posting that type of email [10:03] People have asked for a to do list several times. [10:03] Burgundavia: Yeah, true [10:03] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000876.html [10:03] matthewrevell: make sure you add "Leave your dreams in the 'Draft Box'" this is for projects only ;) [10:03] notice the stunning responses [10:03] Burgundavia: I remember, yeah. [10:04] Burgundavia: things have changed since then... there are a few people who can step up to the plate now [10:04] in fairness, I didn't really say what I wanted [10:04] Here's the thing, I don't mind dreams and definitions of what the team should do. [10:04] But [10:04] oh, that mail was 4 days ago, yeah [10:04] We've had a serious of disconnected monolgoues, no dialogue [10:04] Burgundavia: i am going to slam together an Ubuntu Edgy setup so I can help with the other os knots as well [10:04] actually, i have then all in vmware [10:05] nixternal: would you mind drafting a "what the Knot announcements need?" [10:05] I will do a "What does the UWN need" one [10:05] im sure i can come up with something [10:05] While it at it, I'll doa Fridge version :) [10:06] perfect [10:06] the knot announcements need "new and exciting, why edgy is bleeding edge" type stuff [10:06] i haven't really gotten that yet.. [10:06] don't tell me, tell the mailing list [10:06] it needs to hit the dev mailing list as well i think [10:06] you can tell people, "you can just list a one line idea, even if you can't write it" [10:07] -devel interaction should come on a one on one basis [10:07] kde 3.5.4 isn't bleeding edge at all, it is bug fixes to 3.5.2 > 3.5.3 [10:07] rather than having poor developers swamped [10:07] im going to bring that up at the Kubuntu meeting...i need to add that as an agenda item === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:08] oh, btw, feel free to critque issue9. I currently have a bunch of brain dump ideas in there that need to be cleaned up [10:08] great, freenode is "full" [10:08] Madpilot: that is likely what happened to you [10:08] heh [10:09] no, I got caught in that failure of the 'main rotation server', whatever that is [10:09] there was a /w from lilo just after I finally got back on [10:15] matthewrevell: if you want good bikeshedding, see the new gnome webiste stuff that is happening [10:17] Burgundavia: Yeah, I've been following it on and off. Cheers. [10:32] Kubuntu Edgy Eft Knot Releases - Knot 2 is pretty much complete, but for the next releases, we need content that is "Edgy", the bleeding edge stuff as reported in the original Edgy Eft announcement by sabdfl [10:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [10:32] i added that as an agenda item for tomorrow's kubuntu meeting [10:33] we need to focus this magazine project [10:33] heh, focus it to where though? [10:33] on producing magazine articles [10:33] it could be focused to the fridge, to the wiki, and maybe even some to the UWN [10:34] large, full, colour, nice articles that can stand on their own [10:35] i have written articles (techie howto, reviews, etc.) for like Maximum PC, Tech Edge, and what not..and have written online articles much the same that have been displayed on [H] ardOCP, Anandtech and what not in the past, and I worked for a few years for Virtual-Hideout [10:35] while doing that, everything they setup ran very smooth [10:35] writing is hard [10:35] nixternal: fridge/wiki/UWN is exactly right [10:35] i can do technical aspect articles, and reviews i am good at..i can be professional with it, or i can have fun with it [10:36] with the UWN, we need to clarify, is it for the "Development Community" or is it for the "User Community" [10:36] i think a lot of people are confused by it [10:38] it is "for the community" [10:38] http://inkscape.sourceforge.net/win32/pdf/ <-- can people compare the test2.pdf and the corey-2.svg and see if you think they are a pretty good? === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #UBUNTU-MARKETING === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #UBUNTU-MARKETING [] === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #Ubuntu-marketing [10:41] they look very good!!! [10:41] they match pretty closely? [10:41] win32 directory? no need to explain why there would be Gnome propaganda in a win32 directory ;) [10:41] the smiley face is different, noticeably as well [10:42] right, that would be because i had help rendering that [10:48] Burgundavia, test2.pdf looks pixelated here [10:49] zoom in, it is a evince bug [10:49] yeah, it's badly pixellated @ full size [10:49] ah... until evince gets around to redrawing the damn thing... nevermind [10:50] Burgundavia, how did you get the PDF done? [10:51] inkscape 0.44, but it appears .44 will do it as weel [10:51] cool === mdke would hope so too [10:52] you mean 0.43? ;) [10:54] yep [10:54] is Inkscape 0.44 in dapper-backports yet? [10:55] don't know [10:56] you just got the .deb from inkscape, or did someone else do the PDFs for you? === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FF1F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:03] test [11:03] night [11:03] toast [11:32] matthewrevell: psst [11:33] yo [11:33] ok, your email. Good stuff [11:33] ta. Would hate to miss something. [11:33] I'd note that there are a number of aspects of the UWN that the magazine people can contribute to [11:34] Okay, will update the mail. [11:34] in particular underline "feature of the week" and "in the press" [11:35] I can't think of anything else [11:36] cool, thanks. [11:41] Right, posted [11:41] very good [11:43] well done [11:44] you could have added: structured regular irc-meetings [11:44] and basic markezing concept [11:45] should be a todo, but does not really fit in your messages context [11:45] mindspin: Nah, I was more keen on saying, "Look, here we have some things to do". I'm gonna deal with the structure etc in my next post :) [11:45] hehe [11:47] for the media/PR part, it is absolutely necessary to work with the LoCos, but for general diskussion about strategies and ideas an "international" background would not harm [11:49] I see us providing ideas of best practice and resources/help to loco teams. Seems to make sense to me. [11:49] they know their local media [11:49] they know their media, but they mostly have no idea of approaching the media [11:50] here in germany , journalists come to ubuntupeople, not the other way round [11:50] cool :) [11:50] and its strictly the tech media that asks, In my opinion we should target public-media [11:52] in germany , linux is =suse in "regular media" and they get their articles, but ubuntu is still a geeky thing here... [11:54] this is a situation, where the loco team has to deal with, but strategies and ideas and some basic PR-skill advise could be done by us.. [11:55] the media part of the team should contact all locos tell our purpose and ask them how to help [11:56] in reality you will probably find only one or two people doing press stuff in each loco [11:57] If that [11:58] ;-) === yannickb44 [n=yannick@ANantes-251-1-83-161.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:59] the german spokesperson for the ubuntudeutschland verein has resigned a month ago and there is still no info about wether there is a new one in sight.. [12:00] beside the first class relationship between the ubuntu/kubuntu community here... [12:00] what is ubuntudeutschland verein? [12:01] the official partner of canonical and holder of "ubuntu" in germany [12:01] "official partner"? [12:01] http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/ [12:02] I don't speak german, that is the organisation set up by Matthias to own the loco servers, right? [12:03] yes [12:03] and it has some other role except for simply owing the servers? [12:03] it's difficult to explain cause its concerned to law stuff I cannot translate correctly [12:03] give me a second [12:04] http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/file/agreement/pdf/ [12:05] right yeah [12:05] but that organisation just exists for the locoteam to own the servers... it doesn't have any other role right? [12:05] thats where the discussion may start [12:06] there is a unsuiteable atmosphere between some keypersons of kubuntu.de and ubuntu-users (the german ubunt community) and some of the "verein"people [12:07] I#m not involved and never want to be... [12:07] and which of the two represents the locoteam? === yannick [n=yannick@ANantes-251-1-104-39.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:08] you should approach both [12:08] but which of the two is the locoteam? [12:09] as the agreement states (if I understand it correctly) the ubuntu-verein [12:09] but you cannot keep out the kubuntu people.... [12:09] so the verein thing has stopped representing the community? [12:10] the obvious approach is for them to step down and let others step int [12:11] you got me wrong, spokesperson should have been read as Press relation speaker [12:11] anyway, sounds like a nice mess [12:11] jono will no doubt have fun with them [12:12] yup [12:12] mdke, I think the German thing has already surfaced - reached Mark, even [12:12] it can be handled, especially by a not involved non german [12:13] its kinda solved but now we see the borders that had been build... [12:13] well, I certainly remember that kubuntu.de nonsense a few months back [12:13] 'german thing?' *raises head, as he lives in Germany [12:13] *though an American/Canadian by birth [12:13] seperation in fractions and splinter groups [12:13] ah [12:13] egos in other words.. [12:13] yup [12:14] *sigh* [12:14] the nerd factor [12:14] heh [12:14] socially handicaped [12:14] I guess I've been known to do that as well, but atleast when I am aware of it I can step away from the ego long enough to see what really needs to be done (in my opinion) [12:15] and accept input from others [12:15] lol @ the nerd factor [12:16] a lack of communication skills and social intelligence is normal for people living in a binary world [12:16] read common for normal [12:17] oh and I realize Burgundavia, left, but a quick comment of his/her statement about the ubuntu mag: "it is also a bloody lot of work" - true, but the technical aspect has already been proven that it can be solved (server, CMS to use), and all that remains are people to climb on board to actually *write* content (plus editor/proof). [12:18] related to the current topic, as it seems to be only a break in communications [12:18] I'd like to see the idea of the magazine disappear completely as a marketing team project (btw Burg is a he) [12:18] can anybody explain to me what a printed magazines's purpose could be and who would buy/read it? [12:18] mindspin- this is why I play Ultimate Frisbee and do cycle-tours on a regular basis- to keep in touch with the rest of the world :-) [12:18] it's completely clear to me that the ideas of those interested in the magazine can be well channelled into the UWN, fridge, documentation [12:19] mindspin, it sounds really cool when you talk about it - beyond that, I'm not sure either [12:19] yup [12:19] Madpilot: about what? [12:19] I'm not for a printed mag... my take early on (we are talking months ago in the old forum on the subject) was that we only needed a website with a good CMS, and perhaps offered a PDF download for those that needed to kill trees. [12:20] mindspin, your comment about who would buy/download the mag [12:20] and the purpose thereof [12:20] comment? [12:20] it was aquestion [12:20] "can anybody explain to me what a printed magazines's purpose could be and who would buy/read it?" [12:21] right, and my answer was "it sounds really cool" [12:21] ah [12:21] not to me sorry [12:21] i realise ive come in to the middle of this... but i dont quite see how a magazine be any different to what we have already with the newsletter, fridge, etc, other than being another suck on time and resources [12:21] and "you" meant anybody [12:21] I also left the tag off the end ;) [12:22] ;-) [12:22] mindspin: but it was commentary too- there really is not much need for a 'printed' rag on ubuntu, given the large amounts of content available. about the only thing I see the mag doing is to bundled those resources together in a friendly 'new-user' format so that people know where to go, and perhaps learn something new about ubuntu and its spinoffs. I was thinking more along the lines of TUX magazine in format and content (albeit [12:22] bondle* [12:22] elkbuntu: absolutely right [12:22] ack [12:22] bundle* [12:22] digitalmouse: A new user intro pack would be something different though, and possibly more a Doc Team thing [12:22] good point [12:22] They already do something like that, so could build on it [12:23] as much as i ubuntu, i wouldnt pay for a magazine when there's this thing called 'the internet' [12:23] its definitely the fridge and uwn where the magazine stuff should go to.. [12:24] whatever the 'magazine stuff' is menat to be, that is... [12:24] meant* [12:24] (sorry, no caffine yet today) [12:24] tbh I think the plans for a printed mag were swiftly booted [12:25] I think if we can make it clearer on the fridge that there is an area for articles as well as "pure news", the magazine project can drift away [12:25] if we want magazine exposure, then we should rather infiltrate existing tech or linux magazines and get regular articles in them or columns [12:25] However, the magazine exists because it's a cool shiny thing to do [12:25] elkbuntu: Absolteuly! I've been saying that for ages :) [12:25] you are my Woman elkbuntu [12:25] mindspin: steady on! [12:25] the -au loco team managed to get into APC, which is australian personal computer [12:25]