[02:54] <sara_> hey all, I am wodnering something and need your opinion
[03:34] <Rinchen> nixternal: email from me in your inbox
[03:44] <nixternal> Rinchen: you have an email from me in your inbox ;)
[03:44] <Rinchen> Nix: got it, thanks. And Yes, Mako is the answer.
[03:45] <Burgundavia> nixternal, Rinchen: Mako is the answer?
[03:46] <nixternal> on Ubuntu membership
[03:46] <nixternal> mako still has 4 members to approve
[03:46] <Rinchen> I'm still waiting on my launchpad update so I can get a cloak, email, and do the other fun things. Nix already has his so I inquired.
[03:47] <lophyte> what exactly do you have to do for membership? just participate in groups and get 'references' of sorts?
[03:48] <Madpilot> lophyte, lots of participation, bascially
[03:49] <ormiret> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[03:49] <Madpilot> ormiret, beat me too it :)
[03:49] <ormiret> :)
[03:49] <lophyte> yeah, I've read it.. just wanted to make it extra clar :P
[03:49] <lophyte> clear, rather
[03:50] <Madpilot> also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
[03:51] <lophyte> ah
[03:52] <lophyte> well, that's what I'm here for
[03:53] <bimberi> nixternal: are you one of those four?
[03:53] <nixternal> what 4?
[03:53] <nixternal> oh ya
[03:53] <nixternal> Rich Johnson
[03:53] <nixternal> lol
[03:53] <nixternal> i got Kubuntu membership in the mean time, so i am good
[03:54] <lophyte> how do you prove activism?
[03:54] <Madpilot> lophyte, visibility
[03:54] <bimberi> nixternal: great.  yes i saw you on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:55] <bimberi> lophyte: the best way to answer that is to read through logs of previous CC meetings - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[03:55] <nixternal> interesting..joey was approved just never added to the launchpad..so you aren't waiting for mako then, you need to poke and admin to fix it
[03:56] <lophyte> bimberi: thanks :)
[03:57] <nixternal> joey, you see that Colorado and Chicago got moved to official as well on the list correct?  the LoCoTeamList that is
[03:57] <bimberi> lophyte: np :) - btw don't look at mine, i was crap ;p
[03:57] <lophyte> bimberi: lol
[03:58] <lophyte> I guess I have to wait a while and allow my contributions to add up
[04:02] <bimberi> lophyte: yep, that's the way, the phrase "at least two months of visible, significant activity" on the NewMemberHowTo is a good guide
[04:03] <bimberi> Has an appointment to Canonical's Community Manager position been made yet?
[04:04] <welshbyte> yup, Jono Bacon
[04:04] <Rinchen> nix: I missed it but I poked Matthias about that one about 2 weeks ago :-)
[04:04] <nixternal> kamion as well Rinchen
[04:04] <bimberi> welshbyte: ahh, thanks
[04:04] <nixternal> he is probably in bed right now, but he is pretty cool and is very helpful as well
[04:31] <Madpilot> heh - wonder if mdke's "stop posting long rambling emails to the marketing ML" email will have any affect?
[04:38] <johnlittle> Not if I start drinking...
[04:39] <Madpilot> heh
[04:39] <Madpilot> Don't Drink & IRC. Or Drink & Email. ;)
[04:39] <johnlittle> Esp in a logged channel
[04:39] <johnlittle> Is this ugly?: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[04:40] <Madpilot> no, looks good.
[04:40] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: shiny
[04:40] <Madpilot> better than the colour scheme I'm currently inflicting on www.ubuntu-ca.org :)
[04:40] <johnlittle> Bad shiny or shiny happy people shiny?
[04:41] <nixternal> johnlittle: i liked the old colors better ;)
[04:41] <nixternal> well, the top logo part actually
[04:41] <nixternal> colors are good
[04:41] <nixternal> [21:31]  <Madpilot> heh - wonder if mdke's "stop posting long rambling emails to the marketing ML" email will have any affect?
[04:41] <nixternal> simple answer:  NO
[04:41] <nixternal> Difficult and fully detailed answer:
[04:41] <nixternal> NO
[04:42] <nixternal> ;)
[04:42] <Madpilot> cynic :)
[04:42] <nixternal> hehe
[04:42] <johnlittle> Can you put that reply in a ten paragraph answer to the ML?
[04:42] <nixternal> sure
[04:42] <johnlittle> switched ubuntu video back..it was to shiny
[04:43] <johnlittle> too
[04:43] <Madpilot> nixternal, don't forget to use the word 'synergy' at least twice in your long, rambling reply - this is a marketing ML, after all :)
[04:43] <nixternal> i haven't seen synergy in a while actually
[04:43] <nixternal> i remember when that was the word for a week
[04:43] <johnlittle> I like organic synergy personally
[04:44] <Burgundavia> http://192.168.1.61/official-desktop-happy-corey.png
[04:47] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, that URL isn't loading for me...
[04:47] <Burgundavia> oh, crap, sorry, I cannot access ubuntu.ca or -ca.org within my firewall
[04:47] <johnlittle> 192.168..
[04:48] <Burgundavia> that is the internal IP, which is very seriously non-routable
[04:48] <Madpilot> ah, that's why - not a real IP :)
[04:48] <Burgundavia> substitute ubuntu.ca in there
[04:48] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu-ca.org/official-desktop-happy-corey.png
[04:48] <Madpilot> what the heck is that?
[04:48] <Burgundavia> the GNOME banner I am getting made, once I get PDF generation working
[04:48] <Burgundavia> imagine that 3' x 5'
[04:49] <Madpilot> that's a scary looking happy face
[04:49] <nixternal> Burgundavia: how about a KDE one ;)
[04:49] <johnlittle> KDE users aren't happy nix
[04:49] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am at the GNOME booth at LWE
[04:49] <nixternal> oooh
[04:49] <nixternal> johnlittle: you better hide
[04:49] <johnlittle> lol
[04:49] <nixternal> i am very happy ;)
[04:49] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: scary, how? got a suggestion on a fix?
[04:50] <johnlittle> less scariness? j/k
[04:50] <Madpilot> tone down the big black bug-eyes?
[04:50] <nixternal> make um bloodshot, the true eyes of a GNOME user ;)
[04:50] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntu-ca.org/official-desktop-happy-corey.svg
[04:51] <Burgundavia> nixternal: well, they would be bloodshot *and* non-smiling for a KDE one :)
[04:51] <nixternal> lol
[04:51] <nixternal> with a bullet hole in the head
[04:51] <johnlittle> I really like it...but if i stare at it for 10 or 15 seconds i get the feeling it wants to hurt me.. a lot
[04:51] <nixternal> rofl
[04:51] <Burgundavia> right, then fix it
[04:51] <nixternal> i pasted the picture on kubuntu-devel ;p
[04:51] <nixternal> im waiting patiently for the flaming to begin
[04:51] <Burgundavia> given I am about to spend $200 CAD on a banner with that on it
[04:52] <nixternal> i actually like it..it is simple, clean, and concise
[04:52] <johnlittle> Yeah I like it to..don't think many ppl would find it scary
[04:52] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, kill the stroke around the eyes, and make the slightly smaller - helps a lot, IMO
[04:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you have the svg, you do it
[04:52] <Madpilot> no worries, I am :)
[04:53] <Madpilot> "We can rebuild him, we have the SVG!" </flashback to cheesy old TV show>
[04:53] <johnlittle> We can make him...less scary
[04:56] <johnlittle> people are giving the Get Ubuntu video kid a hard time. hes like the star wars kid of linux
[04:56] <Madpilot> is "Official Desktop of Happy People" an actual Gnome slogan?
[04:57] <johnlittle> According to google it is
[04:58] <Burgundavia> not official, per-se
[04:58] <johnlittle> de-facto official?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> strongly pushed and I was given approval by a board member that they would reimburse me for the cost
[04:59] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/official-desktop-happy-corey-2.svg <-- toned down the happy face a fair bit, I think he's non-scary enough now
[04:59] <johnlittle> Youre bankrolling it? nice
[05:00] <Madpilot> also, I think the "Does your desktop..." & "Official Desktop..." text should be larger
[05:00] <johnlittle> It is surprisingly less scary
[05:01] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:02] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, loose that little pale yellow bit under the mouth, too
[05:03] <Burgundavia> yep, that looks good
[05:03] <Burgundavia> now I just have to get this thing into a pdf for the sign shop
[05:03] <Burgundavia> the odyssey
[05:04] <johnlittle> I hope people start making something besides xgl videos
[05:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, export it as a monster PNG, then use either Scribus's native PDF creation or the GIMP's connection to CUPS_PDF
[05:04] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is an idea
[05:05] <Burgundavia> with native cairo and the gtk printing stuff
[05:06] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, actually, try (in Inkscape) File->Save As, then put the dropdown to PDF
[05:06] <Burgundavia> doesn't work
[05:06] <Burgundavia> try it yourself
[05:07] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: just fyi: it is Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux and thus it is Edubuntu, not Edubuntu Linux
[05:07] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you need to adjust the page size in Inkscape to match the actual image size
[05:08] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: it should be
[05:08] <Madpilot> never mind, that still doesn't work :|
[05:09] <johnlittle> I was referring to it that way in an attempt to be a little clearer for people new to the subject..but youre right it doesnt work from a branding perspective
[05:10] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[05:10] <Burgundavia> I bludgeon people for that mistake. Community members merely mean I don't have to go as far ;)
[05:11] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, looks like Inkscape's native PDF creation is still fubar'd - try the giant PNG method
[05:11] <Madpilot> or figure out the command line cupspdf stuff :)
[05:17] <johnlittle> Burgundacvia: THink I caught those edits..let me know if you find more
[05:17] <Burgundavia> indeed, will do
[05:29] <johnlittle> the ubuntu billboard made diggnation
[05:40] <adamant1988> yeah, think that's the first linux billboard EVER :P
[05:40] <Burgundavia> unlikely
[05:40] <adamant1988> it was sarcasm :P
[06:00] <johnlittle> Anyone seen the guys in penguin suits giving out ubuntu disks at a steve ballmer speech?
[06:08] <Madpilot> there's a video of that, isn't there?
[06:08] <poningru> what are we trying to make?
[06:09] <johnlittle> Madpilot: yeah..unfortunately the video is boring lol
[06:11] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/
[06:11] <johnlittle> new video..downloading ubuntu
[06:37] <adamant1988> Steve Ballmer bothers me
[06:40] <johnlittle> When he dances linux gains market share
[06:44] <adamant1988> Well, RSM bothers me almost as much, so meh.
[06:44] <adamant1988> RMS
[06:45] <johnlittle> Yeah he costs us a few points..they cancel each other out
[06:48] <poningru> rofl
[06:48] <poningru> wtf
[06:50] <johnlittle> :(
[09:53] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[09:54] <matthewrevell> morning human
[09:55] <nixternal> there goes the neighborhood
[09:55] <Burgundavia> nixternal: we had one? I guess this cardboard box is mine and that one over there is yours. Hmm, that doesn't leave much for matthewrevell though... ;)
[09:56] <nixternal> i think i have a spare shoebox just for him
[09:56] <nixternal> nope, it is my outhouse, sorry
[09:56] <matthewrevell> nixternal: sounded perfect until you mentioned that
[09:56] <nixternal> hehe
[09:57] <matthewrevell> So, what's new?
[09:57] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: I would love more people to help with the UWN and the Knot2 release information
[09:57] <nixternal> i have no answer for that question ;)
[09:57] <nixternal> Burgundavia: btw, Knot2 for Kubuntu is done, except for a link to download it
[09:58] <Burgundavia> nixternal: cool, but I don't see much cool new crack on it
[09:58] <Burgundavia> tell my why I want Knot2?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> what about the new easy zeroconf?
[09:58] <nixternal> oh it is lovely ;)
[09:58] <nixternal> you want knot2 to test it, thats why you want it
[09:58] <Burgundavia> right, sell me
[09:59] <nixternal> you want to download it, and file about 20 bugs
[09:59] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: This kinda comes back to my, somewhat disputed, suggestion that some of what's being discussed on the ML amounts to vanity projects.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:59] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: There's plenty to do - like UWN and Knot - but people would rather build their own empires, it seems.
[09:59] <nixternal> good analogy there, i never looked at it that way
[10:00] <matthewrevell> As for my involvement, I'm definitely up for helping out with UWN. Knot reports I have no experience of.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:00] <Madpilot> 'vanity projects' - thank you, now I have a name for what I've been noticing ;)
[10:00] <digitalmouse> I'm still wondering what happened to the web magazine
[10:00] <nixternal> hehe exactly
[10:00] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: It's raising its head again.
[10:00] <nixternal> digitalmouse: it is http://fridge.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <Burgundavia> funny, the marketing guy at work (who gets paid for this kind of thing), is just as prone to long winded diaherrea-like mental outgassings
[10:00] <nixternal> hahahahah
[10:00] <Madpilot> digitalmouse, the Ubuntu Magazine thing is an undead project, it will not die
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Some of the idea for content are interesting but the magazine itself is a solution looking for a problem.
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: It seems marketing attracts such people :)
[10:01] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:01] <Burgundavia> it is also a bloody lot of work
[10:01] <nixternal> it attracted me ;)
[10:01] <nixternal> hey wait a second ;)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> my case study is essentially stalled because of that, but I heard chris kenyon is working on a template
[10:02] <nixternal> now that is an essential project right there
[10:02] <matthewrevell> Yeah.
[10:02] <nixternal> how else can you determine what you need to market, and what you don't
[10:02] <matthewrevell> mdke's post to the ml yesterday sort of said what I'd planned to.
[10:03] <matthewrevell> However, I'm going to post a "To do" email.
[10:03] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: I tried posting that type of email
[10:03] <matthewrevell> People have asked for a to do list several times.
[10:03] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Yeah, true
[10:03] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000876.html
[10:03] <nixternal> matthewrevell: make sure you add "Leave your dreams in the 'Draft Box'" this is for projects only ;)
[10:03] <Burgundavia> notice the stunning responses
[10:03] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I remember, yeah.
[10:04] <mdke> Burgundavia: things have changed since then... there are a few people who can step up to the plate now
[10:04] <Burgundavia> in fairness, I didn't really say what I wanted
[10:04] <matthewrevell> Here's the thing, I don't mind dreams and definitions of what the team should do.
[10:04] <matthewrevell> But
[10:04] <mdke> oh, that mail was 4 days ago, yeah
[10:04] <matthewrevell> We've had a serious of disconnected monolgoues, no dialogue
[10:04] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i am going to slam together an Ubuntu Edgy setup so I can help with the other os knots as well
[10:04] <nixternal> actually, i have then all in vmware
[10:05] <Burgundavia> nixternal: would you mind drafting a "what the Knot announcements need?"
[10:05] <Burgundavia> I will do a "What does the UWN need" one
[10:05] <nixternal> im sure i can come up with something
[10:05] <matthewrevell> While it at it, I'll doa Fridge version :)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> perfect
[10:06] <nixternal> the knot announcements need "new and exciting, why edgy is bleeding edge" type stuff
[10:06] <nixternal> i haven't really gotten that yet..
[10:06] <Burgundavia> don't tell me, tell the mailing list
[10:06] <nixternal> it needs to hit the dev mailing list as well i think
[10:06] <Burgundavia> you can tell people, "you can just list a one line idea, even if you can't write it"
[10:07] <Burgundavia> -devel interaction should come on a one on one basis
[10:07] <nixternal> kde 3.5.4 isn't bleeding edge at all, it is bug fixes to 3.5.2 > 3.5.3
[10:07] <Burgundavia> rather than having poor developers swamped
[10:07] <nixternal> im going to bring that up at the Kubuntu meeting...i need to add that as an agenda item
[10:08] <Burgundavia> oh, btw, feel free to critque issue9. I currently have a bunch of brain dump ideas in there that need to be cleaned up
[10:08] <mdke> great, freenode is "full"
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: that is likely what happened to you
[10:08] <nixternal> heh
[10:09] <Madpilot> no, I got caught in that failure of the 'main rotation server', whatever that is
[10:09] <Madpilot> there was a /w from lilo just after I finally got back on
[10:15] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: if you want good bikeshedding, see the new gnome webiste stuff that is happening
[10:17] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Yeah, I've been following it on and off. Cheers.
[10:32] <nixternal> Kubuntu Edgy Eft Knot Releases - Knot 2 is pretty much complete, but for the next releases, we need content that is "Edgy", the bleeding edge stuff as reported in the original Edgy Eft announcement by sabdfl
[10:32] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[10:32] <nixternal> i added that as an agenda item for tomorrow's kubuntu meeting
[10:33] <mdke> we need to focus this magazine project
[10:33] <nixternal> heh, focus it to where though?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> on producing magazine articles
[10:33] <nixternal> it could be focused to the fridge, to the wiki, and maybe even some to the UWN
[10:34] <Burgundavia> large, full, colour, nice articles that can stand on their own
[10:35] <nixternal> i have written articles (techie howto, reviews, etc.) for like Maximum PC, Tech Edge, and what not..and have written online articles much the same that have been displayed on [H] ardOCP, Anandtech and what not in the past, and I worked for a few years for Virtual-Hideout
[10:35] <nixternal> while doing that, everything they setup ran very smooth
[10:35] <Burgundavia> writing is hard
[10:35] <mdke> nixternal: fridge/wiki/UWN is exactly right
[10:35] <nixternal> i can do technical aspect articles, and reviews i am good at..i can be professional with it, or i can have fun with it
[10:36] <nixternal> with the UWN, we need to clarify, is it for the "Development Community" or is it for the "User Community"
[10:36] <nixternal> i think a lot of people are confused by it
[10:38] <Burgundavia> it is "for the community"
[10:38] <Burgundavia> http://inkscape.sourceforge.net/win32/pdf/ <-- can people compare the test2.pdf and the corey-2.svg and see if you think they are a pretty good?
[10:41] <nixternal> they look very good!!!
[10:41] <Burgundavia> they match pretty closely?
[10:41] <nixternal> win32 directory?  no need to explain why there would be Gnome propaganda in a win32 directory ;)
[10:41] <nixternal> the smiley face is different, noticeably as well
[10:42] <Burgundavia> right, that would be because i had help rendering that
[10:48] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, test2.pdf looks pixelated here
[10:49] <Burgundavia> zoom in, it is a evince bug
[10:49] <Madpilot> yeah, it's badly pixellated @ full size
[10:49] <Madpilot> ah... until evince gets around to redrawing the damn thing... nevermind
[10:50] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, how did you get the PDF done?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> inkscape 0.44, but it appears .44 will do it as weel
[10:51] <Madpilot> cool
[10:52] <Madpilot> you mean 0.43? ;)
[10:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:54] <Madpilot> is Inkscape 0.44 in dapper-backports yet?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> don't know
[10:56] <Madpilot> you just got the .deb from inkscape, or did someone else do the PDFs for you?
[11:03] <matthewrevell> test
[11:03] <Burgundavia> night
[11:03] <mindspin> toast
[11:32] <mdke> matthewrevell: psst
[11:33] <matthewrevell> yo
[11:33] <mdke> ok, your email. Good stuff
[11:33] <matthewrevell> ta. Would hate to miss something.
[11:33] <mdke> I'd note that there are a number of aspects of the UWN that the magazine people can contribute to
[11:34] <matthewrevell> Okay, will update the mail.
[11:34] <mdke> in particular underline "feature of the week" and "in the press"
[11:35] <mdke> I can't think of anything else
[11:36] <matthewrevell> cool, thanks.
[11:41] <matthewrevell> Right, posted
[11:41] <mdke> very good
[11:43] <mindspin> well done
[11:44] <mindspin> you could have added: structured regular irc-meetings
[11:44] <mindspin> and basic markezing concept
[11:45] <mindspin> should be a todo, but does not really fit in your messages context
[11:45] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Nah, I was more keen on saying, "Look, here we have some things to do". I'm gonna deal with the structure etc in my next post :)
[11:45] <mindspin> hehe
[11:47] <mindspin> for the media/PR part, it is absolutely necessary to work with the LoCos, but for general diskussion about strategies and ideas an "international" background would not harm
[11:49] <matthewrevell> I see us providing ideas of best practice and resources/help to loco teams. Seems to make sense to me.
[11:49] <matthewrevell> they know their local media
[11:49] <mindspin> they know their media, but they mostly have no idea of approaching the media
[11:50] <mindspin> here in germany , journalists come to ubuntupeople, not the other way round
[11:50] <matthewrevell> cool :)
[11:50] <mindspin> and its strictly the tech media that asks, In my opinion we should target public-media
[11:52] <mindspin> in germany , linux is =suse in "regular media" and they get their articles, but ubuntu is still a geeky thing here...
[11:54] <mindspin> this is a situation, where the loco team has to deal with, but strategies and ideas and some basic PR-skill advise could be done by us..
[11:55] <mindspin> the media part of the team should contact all locos tell our purpose and ask them how to help
[11:56] <mindspin> in reality you will probably find only one or two people doing press stuff in each loco
[11:57] <matthewrevell> If that
[11:58] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:59] <mindspin> the german spokesperson for the ubuntudeutschland verein has resigned a month ago and there is still no info about wether there is a new one in sight..
[12:00] <mindspin> beside the first class relationship between the ubuntu/kubuntu community here...
[12:00] <mdke> what is ubuntudeutschland verein?
[12:01] <mindspin> the official partner of canonical and holder of "ubuntu" in germany
[12:01] <mdke> "official partner"?
[12:01] <mindspin> http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/
[12:02] <mdke> I don't speak german, that is the organisation set up by Matthias to own the loco servers, right?
[12:03] <mindspin> yes
[12:03] <mdke> and it has some other role except for simply owing the servers?
[12:03] <mindspin> it's difficult to explain cause its concerned to law stuff I cannot translate correctly
[12:03] <mindspin> give me a second
[12:04] <mindspin> http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/file/agreement/pdf/
[12:05] <mdke> right yeah
[12:05] <mdke> but that organisation just exists for the locoteam to own the servers... it doesn't have any other role right?
[12:05] <mindspin> thats where the discussion may start
[12:06] <mindspin> there is a unsuiteable atmosphere between some keypersons of kubuntu.de and ubuntu-users (the german ubunt community) and some of the "verein"people
[12:07] <mindspin> I#m not involved and never want to be...
[12:07] <mdke> and which of the two represents the locoteam?
[12:08] <mindspin> you should approach both
[12:08] <mdke> but which of the two is the locoteam?
[12:09] <mindspin> as the agreement states (if I understand it correctly) the ubuntu-verein
[12:09] <mindspin> but you cannot keep out the kubuntu people....
[12:09] <mdke> so the verein thing has stopped representing the community?
[12:10] <mdke> the obvious approach is for them to step down and let others step int
[12:11] <mindspin> you got me wrong, spokesperson should have been read as Press relation speaker
[12:11] <mdke> anyway, sounds like a nice mess
[12:11] <mdke> jono will no doubt have fun with them
[12:12] <mindspin> yup
[12:12] <Madpilot> mdke, I think the German thing has already surfaced - reached Mark, even
[12:12] <mindspin> it can be handled, especially by a not involved non german
[12:13] <mindspin> its kinda solved but now we see the borders that had been build...
[12:13] <mdke> well, I certainly remember that kubuntu.de nonsense a few months back
[12:13] <digitalmouse> 'german thing?'  *raises head, as he lives in Germany
[12:13] <digitalmouse> *though an American/Canadian by birth
[12:13] <mindspin> seperation in fractions and splinter groups
[12:13] <digitalmouse> ah
[12:13] <digitalmouse> egos in other words..
[12:13] <mindspin> yup
[12:14] <digitalmouse> *sigh*
[12:14] <mindspin> the nerd factor
[12:14] <digitalmouse> heh
[12:14] <mindspin> socially handicaped
[12:14] <digitalmouse> I guess I've been known to do that as well, but atleast when I am aware of it I can step away from the ego long enough to see what really needs to be done (in my opinion)
[12:15] <digitalmouse> and accept input from others
[12:15] <mdke> lol @ the nerd factor
[12:16] <mindspin> a lack of communication skills and social intelligence is normal for people living in a binary world
[12:16] <mindspin> read common for normal
[12:17] <digitalmouse> oh and I realize Burgundavia, left, but a quick comment of his/her statement about the ubuntu mag: "it is also a bloody lot of work" - true, but the technical aspect has already been proven that it can be solved (server, CMS to use), and all that remains are people to climb on board to actually *write* content (plus editor/proof).
[12:18] <digitalmouse> related to the current topic, as it seems to be only a break in communications
[12:18] <mdke> I'd like to see the idea of the magazine disappear completely as a marketing team project (btw Burg is a he)
[12:18] <mindspin> can anybody explain to me what a printed magazines's purpose could be and who would buy/read it?
[12:18] <digitalmouse> mindspin- this is why I play Ultimate Frisbee and do cycle-tours on a regular basis- to keep in touch with the rest of the world :-)
[12:18] <mdke> it's completely clear to me that the ideas of those interested in the magazine can be well channelled into the UWN, fridge, documentation
[12:19] <Madpilot> mindspin, it sounds really cool when you talk about it - beyond that, I'm not sure either
[12:19] <matthewrevell> yup
[12:19] <mindspin> Madpilot: about what?
[12:19] <digitalmouse> I'm not for a printed mag... my take early on (we are talking months ago in the old forum on the subject) was that we only needed a website with a good CMS, and perhaps offered a PDF download for those that needed to kill trees.
[12:20] <Madpilot> mindspin, your comment about who would buy/download the mag
[12:20] <Madpilot> and the purpose thereof
[12:20] <mindspin> comment?
[12:20] <mindspin> it was aquestion
[12:20] <mindspin> "can anybody explain to me what a printed magazines's purpose could be and who would buy/read it?"
[12:21] <Madpilot> right, and my answer was "it sounds really cool"
[12:21] <mindspin> ah
[12:21] <mindspin> not to me sorry
[12:21] <elkbuntu> i realise ive come in to the middle of this... but i dont quite see how a magazine be any different to what we have already with the newsletter, fridge, etc, other than being another suck on time and resources
[12:21] <mindspin> and "you" meant anybody
[12:21] <Madpilot> I also left the </sarcasm> tag off the end ;)
[12:22] <mindspin> ;-)
[12:22] <digitalmouse> mindspin: but it was commentary too- there really is not much need for a 'printed' rag on ubuntu, given the large amounts of content available.  about the only thing I see the mag doing is to bundled those resources together in a friendly 'new-user' format so that people know where to go, and perhaps learn something new about ubuntu and its spinoffs.  I was thinking more along the lines of TUX magazine in format and content (albeit
[12:22] <digitalmouse> bondle*
[12:22] <mdke> elkbuntu: absolutely right
[12:22] <digitalmouse> ack
[12:22] <digitalmouse> bundle*
[12:22] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: A new user intro pack would be something different though, and possibly more a Doc Team thing
[12:22] <digitalmouse> good point
[12:22] <matthewrevell> They already do something like that, so could build on it
[12:23] <elkbuntu> as much as i  ubuntu, i wouldnt pay for a magazine when there's this thing called 'the internet'
[12:23] <mindspin> its definitely the fridge and uwn where the magazine stuff should go to..
[12:24] <digitalmouse> whatever the 'magazine stuff' is menat to be, that is...
[12:24] <digitalmouse> meant*
[12:24] <digitalmouse> (sorry, no caffine yet today)
[12:24] <matthewrevell> tbh I think the plans for a printed mag were swiftly booted
[12:25] <mdke> I think if we can make it clearer on the fridge that there is an area for articles as well as "pure news", the magazine project can drift away
[12:25] <elkbuntu> if we want magazine exposure, then we should rather infiltrate existing tech or linux magazines and get regular articles in them or columns
[12:25] <matthewrevell> However, the magazine exists because it's a cool shiny thing to do
[12:25] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Absolteuly! I've been saying that for ages :)
[12:25] <mindspin> you are my Woman elkbuntu
[12:25] <matthewrevell> mindspin: steady on!
[12:25] <elkbuntu> the -au loco team managed to get into APC, which is australian personal computer
[12:25] <mdke> very cool
[12:25] <digitalmouse> agreed- in the old now-missing forum posts on the topic, I suggested web-only, and provide PDF or text for those who wanted to read 'offline', but make no effort towards print
[12:26] <matthewrevell> mdke: Yeah, we need to work on the Fridge. This is where a get together would help, to thrash out ideas.
[12:26] <elkbuntu> gimme a sec and i'll pull up the scan they let us have to show around
[12:26] <digitalmouse> good idea elk!
[12:26] <digitalmouse> (regarding adding articles to other mags)
[12:27] <mdke> matthewrevell: yeah. I'd like to see those members on the team who are better at code than writing step up and do some cool things with the CMS
[12:27] <matthewrevell> yes
[12:27] <matthewrevell> nixternal: is a drupal man, I believe
[12:27] <matthewrevell> right, meeting
[12:28] <mdke> ah, good
[12:29] <elkbuntu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/duivesteyn/209999468/
[12:30] <elkbuntu> mind you, it's more a pimping of the loco, but the way he went about it was to simply contact the mag
[12:31] <elkbuntu> now, afk for Lost
[12:34] <digitalmouse> mdke, as one of the earlier supporter of the 'tech/feature' aspect of the ubuntu mag CMS - I've done writing, desktop publishing, editing, *and* I'm self-employed as a website programmer for over 5 years that focuses on CMS support and mods for nearly anything from Joomla to Jaws, to MODx/Etomite, to TYPO3) - so if you have ideas on what 'cool things' you'd like to see, I would be interested in hearing them.
[12:35] <digitalmouse> supporters*
[12:36] <digitalmouse> (stepping out for lunch- back in 5 minutes)
[12:38] <mdke> digitalmouse: yeah: we've put some early ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge and we'd like to hear more, in particular about potentially having different sections of the fridge, such as "news", "articles", etc
[12:44] <digitalmouse> ah so more interest in expanding the fridge than creating a whole new beastie, eh?
[12:44] <mdke> absolutely no new beasties
[12:45] <mdke> makeover, news ideas, certainly
[12:45] <digitalmouse> sounds good to me
[12:46] <digitalmouse> but I fear that might fall on the deaf ears of those wanting to make a separate 'ubuntu magazine' thingy
[12:47] <mdke> no matter. Those wanting to make a separate ubuntu magazine can always do so, but I don't think it should be an official project or seen as part of what the marketing team does
[12:48] <mdke> Sara has written to me recently about how the magazine contributors can contribute to the fridge, I'm just replying now
[12:49] <digitalmouse> I have not visited the fridge in quite a while, so I'm re-acquainting myself, as well as the wiki
[12:49] <mdke> cool
[12:56] <digitalmouse> what-the-heck...  since my writing/editing skills are still pretty good, I've signed up as an editor for the Fridge.  maybe I can contribute at least this way, until the whole 'ubuntu mag' dust settles
[12:57] <digitalmouse> or even after.  I enjoy writing/editing as much as programming, so there is little reason to 'jump ship' if a magazine comes to light.  I like to think I'm flexible.
[01:07] <mdke> digitalmouse: you're not an Ubuntu member yet, right?
[01:09] <MenZa>  /whois digitalmouse
[01:14] <matthewrevell> I'm not a member yet.
[01:15] <mdke> terrible
[01:16] <matthewrevell> I'm an impostor
[01:21] <digitalmouse> hmm... not sure... I don't *think* I'm a member.. I've signed up to so many things, I may have overlooked it...  how does one become a 'member' exactly?
[01:21] <Madpilot> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[01:23] <Madpilot> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto - good places to start
[01:41] <kgoetz> :)
[01:43] <MenZa> Hi Melissa :)
[01:44] <kgoetz> hi MenZa
[01:44] <MenZa> lo kgoetz
[01:44] <kgoetz> :)
[01:55] <ompaul> \o/ \o/ \o/ matthewrevell well spoked
[01:56] <kgoetz> hi ompaul
[01:56] <ompaul> kgoetz, hi there
[01:56] <kgoetz> :)
[01:58] <kgoetz> heh. i can fix that :)
[01:59] <elkbuntu> hi MenZa :)
[02:13] <matthewrevell> cheers opaul - just got back from lunch.
[02:13] <matthewrevell> heading into another meeting now :(
[02:13] <kgoetz> matthewrevell: :( sounds busy
[02:18] <digitalmouse> MadPilot: well that counts me out of membership at the moment.. while I might have posted a bit on the forums, and installed n-number of ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu machines (lost count), I don't really qualify, based on the requirements listed in the wiki.  :(
[02:23] <digitalmouse> most of what could be called 'contributions' to the community is fairly off-the-record- local or regional stuff:  help, installs, training, etc.  not much I could document I think.
[02:25] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: you thinking of going for memebership?
[02:25] <digitalmouse> I suppose I could make a wiki page and stuff it with:   "A complete description of your contributions to Ubuntu" and "Your plans and ideas for Ubuntu in the near and far future", but that would be about it at the moment.
[02:26] <digitalmouse> kgoetz: well I was hoping to help out with editing/writing for the fridge, but that requires membership, so yes- need to work that part out first
[02:26] <elkbuntu> i've got no idea if what i've done is sufficient enough
[02:26] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: sounds like a strange requirement :(
[02:27] <digitalmouse> instead of pushing forward a separate ubuntu mag (which I had helped out with months before, but seems to be going no-where at the moment) it made more sense to help out with existing publications like the fridge
[02:28] <digitalmouse> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto I can only provide the last two 'requirements' at the moment.. plus maybe point to a post or two that I tried to contribute with.
[02:30] <digitalmouse> also http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember (as posted earlier), under 'Becoming a member'... I'm all for ubuntu and its off-spring, it's just that my contributions are largely regional and personal...  I suppose I could get everyone I've helped with Ubuntu to sign an affidavit :-p
[02:30] <matthewrevell> I must dip in here and say that there's nothing stopping anyone writing for the Fridge, member or not.
[02:30] <matthewrevell> It would help to be a member, as that shows a certain level of commitment etc, before being an editor.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> those points are all relevant to whether the contributions are considered 'significant'
[02:30] <matthewrevell> I'm not yet a member, but I'm an editor etc
[02:30] <digitalmouse> "we the undersigned to hereby state that Jimm has helped us in the past with not shooting ourselves in the foot when it comes to installing or using Ubuntu"  :-p
[02:31] <digitalmouse> interesting matthew- according to the 'join the team' part of fridge, you need to be a member, if I read that correctly
[02:31] <elkbuntu> digitalmouse, who you know, not what you know
[02:31] <matthewrevell> Yeah, to be an editor.
[02:31] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Not entirely
[02:32] <matthewrevell> Jenda became a member, so it can't be that hard :-D
[02:32] <matthewrevell> <joke everyone>
[02:32] <matthewrevell> :)
[02:32] <elkbuntu> rofl
[02:32] <elkbuntu> would you have said it if he was in the channel :P
[02:32] <matthewrevell> You just need a couple of people to vouch for you.
[02:32] <kgoetz> lol matthewrevell
[02:32] <digitalmouse> helping out 50+ people no-one has ever heard of in the Ubuntu community probably does not qualify much, without written proof
[02:32] <matthewrevell> yes I'd have said that. It's a logged channel, after all :)
[02:32] <kgoetz> matthewrevell: jenda had a few channels ;)
[02:32] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: You .au?
[02:33] <digitalmouse> .de though originally from U.S.
[02:33] <digitalmouse> moved over to Europe because it was saner...or safer... take your choice
[02:33] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Then I'm sure you know some Ubuntu members. They can vouch for you having helped people etc
[02:34] <matthewrevell> It's not so much about proof, per se
[02:34] <matthewrevell> More about people saying, "yeah, this person gets it, they've shown they get it"
[02:34] <digitalmouse> probably not directly known...  and here in the north-west, not likely... hmm... maybe Bremen, but I doubt we know each other
[02:34] <digitalmouse> just my work-colleagues I guess... that might be useful
[02:35] <matthewrevell> Okay, well, put together a wiki page that describes what you've done. Even just hanging out and debating the marketing team is a contribution at the moment, as it's up in the air
[02:35] <digitalmouse> but we are all developers here so debian based stuff is par for the course... though I give out CDs when I have them
[02:35] <matthewrevell> Then, peoplewho know yuou in here may say, "yeah, I've heard digitalmouse talk about working with people on one to one advocacy/support etc"
[02:36] <matthewrevell> Basically, I'd recommend putting your wiki page together
[02:36] <matthewrevell> See if you can get some existing members - one or two - to vouch for you.
[02:36] <matthewrevell> Maybe add a couple of pages to the wiki, some tips or something.
[02:39] <digitalmouse> ok.. sounds like a plan... I'll work on a wiki page.... thanks for the tips
[02:40] <elkbuntu> writing up some howtos that havent already been done is a good move also
[02:41] <kgoetz> as is working on ones in CatagoryCleanup... people look at recent changes to see how often your name comes up
[02:44] <digitalmouse> hmm... another good point
[02:44] <digitalmouse> now the fun part... finding time to sit down and write :-)
[02:44] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: heh. know the feeling.
[02:46] <digitalmouse> cool
[02:47] <kgoetz> speaking of which, theres some errors in one that need fixing....
[02:49] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: look at any app you use that isnt well documented, and hammer out a quick howto, its not hard ;)
[02:58] <digitalmouse> heh
[02:58] <digitalmouse> well, not many people seem to use Revelation
[02:58] <digitalmouse> (password manager)
[02:59] <digitalmouse> or has it been doc'd already?
[02:59] <digitalmouse> quite a nice little proggy for tracking passwords and account info.. ya just got to remember the password to *that* app of course :-p
[03:00] <kgoetz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YourIntrest is where to look first, then wiki.ubuntu.com/YourIntrest
[03:00] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:00] <digitalmouse> thanks kgoetz
[03:00] <kgoetz> np. you should ask in #ubuntu-doc for more help - thats where the great doc minds hang out ;)
[03:00] <digitalmouse> whoops- was too literal... 'YourIntrest     This page does not exist yet. '  heh
[03:01] <digitalmouse> not enough coffee today
[03:01] <kgoetz> lol
[03:01] <MenZa> No such thing as 'enough coffee'.
[03:03] <kgoetz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Nexuiz <- heh. i just found this, i downloaded it from the nexiuz site, extracted it and ran it... didnt know about fancy installer things
[03:05] <digitalmouse> there was an interesting installer project for KDE (and in principle any program for any distro)...  gah! can't recall it now... it was neat in that you install the program and if you wanted to remove the program you just deleted the installer (installer was also run-time with all dependencies).
[03:05] <kgoetz> klick (sounds like it anyway)
[03:09] <digitalmouse> yes, that's the one
[03:10] <digitalmouse> have not used in a while (got proficient with apt-get and adept)
[03:10] <digitalmouse> but it is/was a good idea I thought
[03:10] <kgoetz> never liked the look/sound of it. some people swear by it
[03:43] <matthewrevell> Did anyone do a t-shirt design?
[03:45] <elkbuntu> i did
[03:45] <kgoetz> matthewrevell: no, i'm not really creative :)
[03:49] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/tshirtidea.png was my submission
[03:49] <elkbuntu> err, sec...
[03:50] <elkbuntu> ok, now :P
[03:50] <elkbuntu> .svg != .png ;)
[03:51] <kgoetz> hehe
[03:52] <kgoetz> a big evil sabdfl planting an ubuntu flag on the world , with 'ubuntu for *all* human beings' (or similar text) ;)
[03:52] <matthewrevell> elnice
[03:53] <matthewrevell> I mean, elkbuntu nice
[03:54] <kgoetz> or "we use non free softwrae (LP), so you dont have to" etc.
[03:55] <MenZa> matthewrevell, el nice!
[03:55] <MenZa> :)
[03:57] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:59] <kgoetz> sudo vi /etc/dnsmasq
[03:59] <kgoetz> er, oops.
[03:59] <elkbuntu> :)
[03:59] <kgoetz> :S
[03:59] <MenZa> :D
[04:00] <elkbuntu> vi? ewww! BURN!
[04:00] <kgoetz> :O
[04:01] <elkbuntu> :P
[04:01] <kgoetz> # Anti MS-check-your-system redirect
[04:01] <kgoetz> address=/update.microsoft.com/192.168.0.2
[04:01] <kgoetz> :)
[04:01] <MenZa> kgoetz, how about 127.0.0.1 instead?
[04:01] <MenZa> :D
[04:01] <kgoetz> MenZa: on that site is a message "blocked in dns" :)
[04:02] <MenZa> :)
[04:04] <mindspin> The server at meldra.no-ip.info is taking too long to respond
[04:06] <kgoetz> i can host it. try again
[04:06] <kgoetz> lynx loaded it fine.    MeldraNet is Melissa Draper's personal local network. The network currently consists of two computers.
[04:08] <mindspin> nothing here, no ping reply neither to the name, nor to the ip
[04:09] <kgoetz> i wasnt getting ping either.
[04:09] <kgoetz> lynx has 'frozen' though :/ wonder if its elkbuntu s fault
[04:09] <elkbuntu> o.O
[04:09] <kgoetz> or if my ssh session has died - always possiable i suppose
[04:10] <kgoetz> %s/possable/probable
[04:10] <mindspin> prosibble
[04:11] <kgoetz> :/
[04:11] <mindspin> i see something
[04:12] <mindspin> The first computer is a Dell OptiPlex G1 Pentium II 350mhz with 256mb RAM running as a http server and a Compaq Presario AMD Sempron with 512mb RAM that runs a webcam server for a webcam that is usually pointed at Melissa's fishtank.
[04:12] <elkbuntu> that is all soo out of date
[04:12] <elkbuntu> well the webcam part is anyway
[04:12] <kgoetz> "a webcam that is usually pointed at Melissa's fishtank.
[04:12] <kgoetz> "
[04:12] <kgoetz> ROFL
[04:12] <elkbuntu> the fishtank is months gone
[04:13] <kgoetz> elkbuntu: well fix it then :)
[04:13] <elkbuntu> it probably says the compaq is running windows too
[04:14] <kgoetz> hm. i feel better about my servers after lookin at that phpsysinfo
[04:14] <mindspin> seems too be a xxxl t-shirt
[04:15] <kgoetz> elkbuntu: thats a fiarly broken site :(
[04:16] <kgoetz> oooh, one of those optiplex's *knows them well*
[04:17] <elkbuntu>  optiplex'
[04:17] <kgoetz> heh. sure.
[04:18] <elkbuntu> the little beast ran gnome fine, albeit a wee bit sluggish when i had half-a-dozen things going
[04:18] <kgoetz> take out half the ram and try again... :)
[04:18] <elkbuntu> hell no
[04:19] <kgoetz> heh.
[04:19] <elkbuntu> although it ran fine on the 160mb ram i got it with
[04:20] <elkbuntu> the only issue i had was that the graphics card is old and crap and i had to set colour depth to 16 to get a resolution above 800x600
[04:21] <kgoetz> 16 bit?
[04:21] <kgoetz> or 16 colour?
[04:21] <elkbuntu> bit
[04:21] <kgoetz> whats wrong with thta :/
[04:21] <elkbuntu> wtf? insane
[04:21] <elkbuntu> 24bit ftw
[04:21] <kgoetz> why?
[04:21] <elkbuntu> less ringing in gradients
[04:22] <kgoetz> ah, of course.
[04:22] <kgoetz> :P
[04:22] <elkbuntu> rofl
[04:23] <MenZa> elkbuntu:
 i did something stupid
 chmod -x chmod
 anyone knows how to fix it?
[04:23] <elkbuntu> i saw
[04:23] <kgoetz> hahahahahahaa
[04:24] <kgoetz> send them a new one - fastst way
[04:46] <digitalmouse> "we use non free softwrae (LP), so you dont have to"  - ha!  I like that one
[04:46] <digitalmouse> (minus the misspelling of course)
[04:47] <mindspin> digitalmouse: where are you in germany?
[04:49] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: :P spelling is optional
[05:00] <digitalmouse> Oldenburg Germany - west of Bremen by about an hour
[05:00] <digitalmouse> (by car)
[05:00] <digitalmouse> ok 30 minutes or less if you drive a BMW or Mercedes or Porsche
[05:00] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: for those of us not familar with teh country... which corner? ;)
[05:00] <kgoetz> *quadrant
[05:01] <digitalmouse> north west
[05:01] <kgoetz> ah, havent been there
[05:01] <digitalmouse> closer to Netherlands
[05:02] <mindspin> the flat part of germany ;-)
[05:02] <mindspin> north-west
[05:02] <mindspin> I#m sitting mre in the center, Frankfurt
[05:03] <digitalmouse> so if you have an idea where Hamburg is, I'm west/southwest of there.   googlemaps is your friend!  search "Oldenburg, Niedersachsen, Germany"
[05:03] <digitalmouse> then zoom out to get a reference
[05:05] <kgoetz> +r
[05:07] <digitalmouse> seachesr?
[05:08] <kgoetz> :/ searches
[05:09] <kgoetz> hm. Gottingen sounds familar
[05:10] <digitalmouse> heh
[05:11] <digitalmouse> I flew around here in MS Flight Sim 2 months before I came here... gave me a good feel for distances between places
[05:11] <kgoetz> i think we went to koln, not sure if we got further north
[05:11] <kgoetz> hehe
[05:11] <digitalmouse> Cologne?
[05:11] <digitalmouse> = Koln
[05:11] <kgoetz> just below essen
[05:12] <kgoetz> 50~km
[05:12] <digitalmouse> heh you mean these fun characters:   and  plus  and 
[05:12] <mindspin> kln
[05:12] <kgoetz> heh. yeh, them.
[05:13] <digitalmouse> I'm so used to the german keyboard, I have trouble when installing a new machine that defaults to english keyboard on first boot
[05:13] <kgoetz> lol.
[05:13] <digitalmouse> the z and why are reversed for one, plus = - ? / \ are in the wrong places (to me, now)
[05:13] <digitalmouse> ack  y I meant
[05:14] <mindspin> yup
[05:14] <kgoetz> mm. i tried qwertz for a while, but i couldnt handle it :), i'm /not/ used to it
[05:14] <mindspin> and :
[05:14] <digitalmouse> (GAIM replaces y with why automagically, if I don't pay attention)
[05:14] <digitalmouse> heh
[05:14] <kgoetz> digitalmouse: i guesed :)
[05:17] <kgoetz> gotta reboot rommel, which means disconnection Kamping_Kaiser
[05:19] <mindspin> do you call your machines after former german city mayors ?
[05:20] <kgoetz> heh no, thats the only remotely german box name i have.
[05:20] <kgoetz> otheres include Evangelion, Digital, and jceasar
[05:20] <kgoetz> (and that was actually named after the SS general)
[05:21] <mindspin> rommel was not related whatsoever with the ss
[05:21] <kgoetz> i'll see you all in 30 min~
[05:22] <kgoetz> mindspin: yes, i'll keep talking when i get back :)
[05:26] <ompaul> digitalmouse, near butchers street
[05:26] <ompaul> eine stuck von koln
[05:26] <digitalmouse> my boxes are all named after Alice in Wonderland characters...  doormouse is the router/firewall, madhatter is my dual-boot lin/win laptop, whiterabbit is my primary desktop, redqueen is the girlfriend's laptop, tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum are my experimental cluster nodes, with alice being their controller (they run mostly @home distributed computing projects), walrus is my fileserver/printserver
[05:27] <elkbuntu> mindspin, i think he was referring to this rommel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel
[05:27] <digitalmouse> butchers street?  never heard of it... and Koln is quite a ways away from me :-p
[05:28] <ompaul> digitalmouse, at least it is not Whuppertal
[05:28] <digitalmouse> heh, true, true.....   and speaking of home... guess I have done enough damage at the office- time to get out of here... talk to you folk later!
[05:28] <mindspin> elkbuntu: I know, i was just a bit nitpicking
[05:28] <digitalmouse> folks*
[05:29] <elkbuntu> mindspin, hehe, thanks for the list reply ;)
[05:29] <mindspin> I normally refuse to send "metoos" but if it comes to decisions at last, its good to know who stands for what
[05:31] <matthewrevell> mindspin: yup
[05:32] <elkbuntu> mindspin, yeah, 'me too's are often just noise, but: "It is permitted in time of grave danger to walk with the devil until you have crossed the bridge,"
[05:32] <mindspin> hehe
[05:32] <elkbuntu> nice little proverby thing, bulgarian iirc
[05:33] <digitalmouse> come to Germany!  we have blondes and redheads and brunettes, oh my!
[05:33] <mindspin> digitalmouse: I just came back from a far too short holiday in ireland and it has always the result that I want to move to the emerals island...
[05:34] <mindspin> digging for jobs, listening to music, reading reports about hurling semi-finals and so on...
[05:35] <mindspin> last week I bought a bottle of bushmills just out of nostagian feelings
[05:35] <digitalmouse> funny thing is that I've been here 6 years now, and don't miss the US at all - well except my folks and a few friends.
[05:35] <mindspin> but this belongs more to #ubuntu-offtopic...
[05:35] <digitalmouse> ok really going now before it rains....
[05:35] <digitalmouse> Oldenburg, Niedersachsen, Germany
[05:35] <digitalmouse> ack
[05:35] <digitalmouse> wrong paste
[05:36] <mindspin> bye digitalmouse
[05:37] <digitalmouse> ciao
[05:37] <sara_> hello all, I am wondering if we still need a magazine?
[05:39] <mindspin> I think the (wo)manpower should go to the fridge
[05:40] <digitalmouse> hello sara - we were just talking about that earlier (as you may have read)... I'm interested in the idea and months ago I offered my services as editor/webmaster/occasional writer... but the implementation/execution needs a bit of work.. I don't see a problem technically, but it needs to be determined how best to provide original content that the other well known resources (like the fridge provides) do not have- otherwise we may b
[05:40] <sara_> uhh
[05:41] <sara_> I think that you are right digitla mouse, what kind of content you had in mind
[05:42] <sara_> The thing is that I keep on getting e-mails from people that want a magazinem so maybe we should ask them as a whole
[05:43] <digitalmouse> but what can a magazine do that the current resources don't do now?
[05:44] <digitalmouse> and I would love to continue discussing, but I'm late for leaving the office... I'll catch up with you folks later... ciao!
[05:44] <sara_> we can fill avoid  and be more current
[05:44] <mindspin> a printed one? or a online one or online for "selfprint" one ?
[05:44] <digitalmouse> (I'll leave this up to log things)
[05:45] <sara_> What I mean is that Corey Burger recentyl posted about the add/remove marketing
[05:45] <sara_> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=94
[05:46] <sara_> and I think that he is right there is no place where we have shown exposure to that
[05:46] <sara_> That is why I suggest we make that part of our magazine, an articel or videokast about it, just showing it off and stuff
[05:47] <sara_> We can monthly take needs that arise here and feel that need. What we produce could become part of the documnetation
[05:48] <mindspin> But why in an extra magazine and not as part/subsection of the fridge?
[05:48] <sara_> As it stands right now How-to are not a marketing tool but improving them and giving some of them monthly exposure is
[05:49] <sara_> I think taht we might do that, I we are working on that
[05:49] <elkbuntu> why not the constant exposure that The Fridge is already receiving?
[05:49] <mindspin> I see there is a lot of potetially good use, but I can't get why it has to be a standalone magazine
[05:50] <sara_> I think that we are moving way from beign a stand alone magazine , but to be a part of the fridge
[05:50] <sara_> we still need to follow our plans is just that we will be news and information section of the fridge
[05:50] <matthewrevell> sara_: I can see loads of great ways we can work together. The Fridge basically is the magazine, or can be
[05:51] <sara_> Matt exactly
[05:51] <elkbuntu> that's exactly our point. the fridge can grow, and infact the fridge guys were talking in here earlier about how they *want* to grow on what's already there
[05:51] <matthewrevell> The Fridge can grow to do the cool stuff you're talking about
[05:51] <matthewrevell> And you can be an integral part of that
[05:51] <mindspin> sounds good
[05:51] <sara_> What we need to do now is work on that part of the fridge
[05:51] <matthewrevell> Yeah
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, and sara_
[05:52] <mindspin> wb Kamping_Kaiser
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[05:52] <sara_> so I'll show you all waht we were working on and we will become the news and infomartion part of the fridge
[05:52] <nixternal> good mornin' everyone!
[05:52] <mindspin> ah
[05:53] <matthewrevell> sara_: Well, we already news, but yes it'd be good to have you working on articles and news for the Fridge
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey nixternal
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb.
[05:53] <sara_> that is waht I meant that we don't neeed to stop working but work on how we can merge witht he fridge
[05:53] <matthewrevell> Yeah, no need to stop working, but I think we all agree it makes sense to do it in the context of the Fridge
[05:53] <matthewrevell> Perhaps post your proposal to both fridge-devel and ubuntu-marketing lists
[05:54] <sara_> well' we need to make the news section better
[05:54] <nixternal> i think it is more than just merging with the fridge...howto section for the wiki, news for the fridge, developer spotlight for the uwn/fridge
[05:54] <nixternal> i just had an idea, but where it went i dont' know
[05:54] <elkbuntu> anyway everyone, im off to bed. g'night!
[05:54] <nixternal> nite elkbuntu
[05:54] <mindspin> sleep tight elkbuntu
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> back again
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> night elkbuntu :'(
[05:55] <sara_> nixternal- yeah I alreay contacted people from behind ubuntu to see if we can work toghether
[05:55] <mindspin> nixternal: the fridge will grow into a news/magazine/(docu) thing
[05:55] <sara_> mindspin- that sounds like a good place to go
[05:56] <nixternal> oh, i remember my idea....i think it might be cool to spotlight "howto's" on the wiki maybe, and put it in the UWN, or create a "spotlight" on the fridge
[05:56] <nixternal> mindspin: that is the plan of the fridge afaik
[05:56] <mindspin> if we get the online journalist to reading and quoting the fridge everything will be perfect
[05:56] <sara_> It hink that I sent an e-mail about taht
[05:56] <sara_> that would be nice to have like the How-to of the week
[05:56] <nixternal> mindspin: i apologize, i misread your statement ;)
[05:57] <sara_> We can expand on the information and make it more attractive, eye candy
[05:58] <nixternal> expand on the information is great, and that should be done on the wiki, of course w/o the eye candy...and now doing a spotlight on that how-to and providing eye candy would be the task, which would be good
[05:58] <sara_> i think in teh frdige we should have and update on the developments, not just like the UWN with new packages and stuff but  a show off type ogf thing
[05:58] <nixternal> as i think that would lead more people to editing the wiki, and creating pages as well...people like that feeling you get when you have been acknowledged by the "community"
[05:58] <sara_> nixternal- about the how-to exactly that way if we see a need for one we cna make one and have it back on the wiki withou all the eye candy
[05:59] <mindspin> btw. is there a link to the fridge-developer list I can#t see it on the ubuntu site
[05:59] <nixternal> bingo sara_ ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-fridge ?
[06:00] <sara_> back to my example we can have screekast that show wha tis coming on the next ubuntu
[06:00] <nixternal> mindspin: im a bloomin' idiot at this time...a link to mail the list ;)
[06:00] <nixternal> i just gave you the link to the developer list...lol
[06:00] <sara_> that way they just don't read about what new packages, but get exicted about it. Many software companies do taht already
[06:00] <matthewrevell> I've got to drive home now, but just my few thoughts on all this.
[06:01] <mindspin> nixternal: indeed ;-)
[06:01] <sara_> like my katapult example
[06:02] <matthewrevell> sara_: Your ideas sound great for the expansion of The Fridge. The new sections of The Fridge will have to be well thought out and proposed, because we need to win round someone like Nixternal to modify Drupal, then the rest of the community to help contribute.
[06:03] <nixternal> we definitely need some drupal hackers, jdub would be great as the info he poses on the list is bar none..
[06:03] <sara_> Matthew- I don't know how to dot he read commnet thing, but I'll write a proposal with it and I'll give you a mocup of the tyeps of thigs we were thinking on Saturday
[06:04] <matthewrevell> nixternal: We may have to prepare to do it without jdub
[06:04] <nixternal> oh i know..imbrandon is a good php hacker as well, but he is to busy with packaging and what not right now
[06:04] <matthewrevell> right
[06:04] <matthewrevell> Let's have a think
[06:04] <matthewrevell> right, I'm going home
[06:04] <matthewrevell> laters all
[06:05] <sara_> ok guys its time for my lunch, I'll send something to the list later
[07:08] <MitchM> Marketing team still taking design stuff for spreadubuntu?
[07:09] <adamant1988> I don't think so, but your contributions are always welcome.
[07:12] <MitchM> which design won?
[07:22] <sara> I don't think any of them won, we are going to have a meeting the 13th to figure that out
[07:22] <adamant1988> *shrug*
[07:24] <MitchM> so then ... designs are still open to be submitted?
[07:24] <MitchM> or?
[07:24] <MitchM> is the window a little too small? =_
[07:24] <MitchM> =)*
[07:25] <sara> I don't know
[07:33] <johnlittle> Looks liek you have until the 13th
[07:33] <johnlittle> er like
[07:34] <Burgwork> sara, please push for merging SU with the Fridge
[07:36] <sara> burgwork-sounds good
[07:38] <sara> msg Burgwork