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[04:54] pitti: hey === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti hugs Keybuk [04:56] pitti: hey, kernel upload got delayed, getting an upload ready now though === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:57] Good evening everyone. === GazzaK [n=Gary@host81-136-56-107.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:57] BenC: did you see my latest mail? === deep__ [n=deep@c-b42a71d5.017-19-626c671.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:57] BenC: current state should work reasonably, but could use a small improvement [04:58] pitti: #u-k, let me know what you need and I can try to get it in [04:59] BenC: it's in the mail === lostsync [n=lostsync@c-24-99-65-187.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:00] BenC: but no hurry, it can be added later [05:00] hi all === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] isn't it meeting time now? [05:04] I thought so. [05:04] yep, should [05:04] I think so. [05:04] yep [05:04] mdz? [05:04] mdz, sfllaw ? [05:04] iwj: Yup. [05:04] iwj: It is. [05:05] I suppose if mdz doesn't show up, we can hold this meeting ourselves. [05:05] And just send him the log. [05:05] I volunteer sfllaw to be our mdz [05:05] Oh great. [05:05] Riddell++ [05:05] sfllaw: I suggest you chair the meeting and begin nowish. [05:05] pitti: I replied, the filename already gets passed [05:05] First mdz suckers me into sending out announcements... [05:05] Right. [05:05] sfllaw: You have a list of people ? :-) [05:05] Yeah. Lemme look into this. [05:05] list is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20060810 [05:05] Has anyone seen jono? [05:06] I'll do it [05:06] is jono expected at these? [05:06] I suppose not. But I think he was invited specifically to this one. [05:06] he has not started yet, so I would say he's not [05:06] Ah. He asked about it in some e-mails. [05:06] infinity: Ping === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:06] I've text him just in case [05:07] Kamion: ping [05:07] Kamion's on holiday [05:07] infinity is here [05:07] sfllaw: Err, yes? I just spoke to you. :) [05:07] fabbione: Ping. [05:07] is someone able to sms/phone mdz? [05:07] infinity: Sorry. [05:07] kwwii (Kenneth Wimer) is on a holiday as well I think [05:07] sfllaw: i am on paternity leave [05:07] Is dholbach on holiday too? [05:07] sfllaw: i have been for the last almost 2 weeks [05:07] fabbione: Oh yeah. Go back to being a father. [05:07] sfllaw: thanks :) [05:07] heno: Ping. [05:08] sfllaw: dholbach is on holidays since today [05:08] dholbach did depart saying he'd see us in Weisbiden [05:08] sfllaw: pong [05:08] mvo: Ping. [05:08] hello sff [05:08] mvo should be around :) [05:08] hello sfllaw [05:08] fabbione: don't play with your sun, it's your son :) [05:08] Any Mithrandir? [05:08] doko: ..|.. ;) [05:08] have fun fabbione [05:08] Mith is in honeymoon [05:08] he's honeymooning [05:08] sfllaw: Mithrandir is on honeymoon [05:08] Man, all these people enjoying summer. [05:09] sfllaw: today sucks to be you [05:09] sfllaw: holidays until sprint [05:09] if that calendar in th ecompany tool would be usable, we'd know ;) [05:09] Let's begin, shall we? === jono [n=jono@mail.openadvantage.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:09] welcome jono [05:09] hi jono [05:09] hi folks [05:09] jono: Hi. I'd thought I'd invite you so you can see what we do. [05:09] we're about to begin [05:09] sfllaw: do you sometime look on your mails? people usually send a mail saying they are on holidays and when they come back ;) [05:09] sounds good, I will need to dip in and out thought [05:09] seb128: It drops out of my brain because I see too many bugs. [05:09] My attention span is now very small. [05:10] So let's do this in boring order. [05:10] infinity, you start first. [05:10] Last week: [05:10] - Discussions with pitti about .ddeb support on the buildds [05:10] - Work on new LRM (which will be a 2-part upload, after discussion with BenC, he'll do half, and I'll get the other half in shortly after him) === mvo wonders how much attention span seb128 has left then [05:10] - Work on keeping the buildds limping along, with several measured and mass give-backs, and some by-hand bootstrapping of snags [05:10] - Violently mangle the livecd generation scripts and wrapper to allow building dapper livefses for Colin [05:10] - Start work and testing of the stacked filesystem infrastructure, almost complete, but rollout blocked on getting kernel support on the buildds [05:10] Next week: === seb128 hugs mvo [05:10] - Finish stacked filesystem work, and bug elmo again about kernel support [05:10] - Sort out the changes required for debian-maintainer-field, and roll out to the buildds [05:10] - Continue to mangle buildds and build failures, as per usual [05:10] - Watch for fallout from impending LRM changes [05:10] mvo, enough for hugging :) [05:10] - Work on .ddeb support, as specced with pitti last week [05:10] infinity: LRM? === mvo hugs ogra [05:10] *cough* [05:11] Riddell: linux-restricted-modules, sorry. I'm a TLA whore. [05:11] infinity: What's a .ddeb ? [05:11] (Three Letter Acronym) === ogra hugs mvo and seb128 [05:11] iwj: detached debug symbols [05:11] iwj, debugging deb [05:11] Oh, right, those things. [05:11] iwj: to be named .ddeb to get a different namespace [05:11] infinity: s/Acryonym/Abbreviation/ [05:11] infinity: Are the buildds going to give us long-term trouble? Could they hold up the release? [05:11] neither LRM or TLA are acronyms :p === GazzaK [n=Gary@host81-136-56-107.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["so] [05:12] sfllaw: The buildds always give us trouble, that's why I have a job. :P [05:12] sfllaw: But they never seem to stop us from releasing, no. [05:12] Anyone else have questions? === jesse_ [n=jesse@gw.thecybersource.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:12] OK. [05:12] BenC? [05:12] thanks for the mass give backs infinity [05:12] sfllaw: Soyuz automatically breaks whenever we have anything critical happening [05:12] heh [05:13] BenC asked to be delayed i think [05:13] I must have missed that. [05:14] Kamion? [05:14] holiday [05:14] fschoep? [05:14] sfllaw, you seem to have a very little attention span today :) [05:14] Ongoing: [05:14] * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: cull proposals, choose direction [05:14] * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement, now with community backing till 10th of August [05:14] * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work [05:14] * ubuntu-art-cd-dvd-artwork: communication with Jane / Kenneth on improving media package artwork [05:14] * starting up / assisting sound engineering [05:14] To-do: [05:14] * finish submission of GTK theme tweaks, start coding good ideas [05:14] * approve artwork production directions, then kick off production phase for community artwork [05:14] * update the Human icon priority list with the contents of the PDF to-do list [05:15] It was quite a slow week regarding artwork, but it's getting more interesting now. === hua [n=hua_@221.172.51.21] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:15] I think fschoep's report should include screenshots :) [05:15] That's mean. [05:15] asciiart !!! [05:15] Riddell, and sound bytes :p [05:15] in ascii art? :) [05:15] Riddell: I had some last time, this time it's kinda hard to do :) [05:15] I'll start drawing ascii waveforms :p [05:16] fschoep: Did you know that firefox-themes-ubuntu doesn't work with ff 2.0 beta ? [05:16] iwj: yes [05:16] iwj, btw, you didnt answer my ff theme question [05:16] ogra: Which one ? [05:16] iwj, cant we just replace the icons with different ones and keep the names ? would ff pick them up ? [05:17] s/names/names and paths/ [05:17] ogra: I don't think that's a very good idea. It would make the ff package build-depend on the artwork. [05:17] nd make the packages conflict [05:17] ogra: iwj: maybe discuss this via e-mail? [05:17] yep [05:17] CC me and I'll shine my light over it [05:17] Thanks. Any other questions? [05:17] I wasn't aware of any active problems right now, so I'm interested. [05:17] thats why i answered ... to the one on -devel ... just wanted to draw some attention :) [05:18] OK. [05:18] heno? [05:18] Done: [05:18] * Attended the OATS project launch in London. Blog entry here: http://blog.omma.net/?p=7 [05:18] * Further work on SOK (now called onBoard). A basic scanning feature and better layout customisation implemented. [05:18] * Testing Orca/gnome-speech on Edgy. There are some problems with various applications still. [05:18] Todo: [05:18] * Write a script for performing some AT setup tasks. Could possibly be a GUI as well. I can do the Glade work but I'll need help with the python (or whatever) back-end. [05:18] * livecd-access - no change - are there any gfxboot/LiveCD people who are not on holiday? [05:19] heno: do you still need work on those keyboard layouts? [05:20] fschoep: We have a fair number now, but I'm sure the design and colour choices could be better :) [05:20] heno: OK, shall we e-mail on that to get you something beautiful then ? [05:20] see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/SOK/layouts [05:21] yes please :) [05:21] OK, noted. [05:22] Thanks. [05:22] iwj? [05:22] automated-testing-deployment: Snapshot resumption works. Just need to glue it into autopkgtest now. Currently on hold due to firefox 2 beta merge. [05:22] xen-edgy: No significant change since last week. Chuck has included some shell script patches from me to improve virtual machine resumption time. [05:22] package-dependency-field-breaks: No activity this week. [05:22] suggest-packages-for-filetypes: Not started. [05:22] firefox 2.0 beta merge: Ug. Currently testing/bugfixing. There seems to be an incompatibility with the themes. And other problems. [05:23] iwj: I think I can help you majorly with the themes. [05:23] fschoep: Right. When I get it working apart from that I'll get back to you. [05:23] iwj: OK, thanks. [05:23] me again: when does the gfxboot stuff freeze? How worried should I be about those changes not being implemented yet? [05:23] I'll upload it anyway and that way we can fix what's there. [05:24] fschoep: Thanks for the offer of help, though, I expect to need it. [05:24] iwj: No problem, I got you into the theme things to begin with, so I'd better help you out. === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@200.146.73.202.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:24] :-) [05:24] heno: is gfxboot about GRUB artwork? === rodarvus_ sighs [05:25] if someone said anything to me, please repeat - I lost my connection :/ [05:25] fschoep: no, about a large-icon menu in gfxboot [05:25] with sounds [05:25] iwj: Do we expect Firefox to ship by September? And if not, is the beta Good Enough? [05:25] gfxboot is used for the CDs [05:25] rodarvus: nothing directly to you so far [05:25] heno: OK, just checking, since it's not on my radar I'm afraid. [05:25] sfllaw: I have no idea. Mozilla expect it to ship by then but I wouldn't trust them. [05:25] pitti, thanks [05:26] mdz tells me the request for the 2.0 beta comes from Mark and realistically we don't have a plan B once we put the 2.0 in edgy. [05:26] Ugh. [05:26] fschoep, it was a usplash ripoff in deapper ... might be we'll do the same in edgy [05:26] QA hat on: I don't like the sound of that. [05:26] perhaps I should just mail -devel with the current status and questions [05:26] fun :) [05:26] its edgy, isnt it :) [05:26] Anyway, no more questions. [05:26] sfllaw: If you want the decision changed you have about a day. [05:26] iwj: Nope. I'll deal with it when it hits the fan. [05:26] If nothing horrid happens I'll probably upload, committing us, tomorrow. [05:26] ogra: I see, it's just never gotten onto the work list for the artwork team [05:26] OK. [05:27] You can still browse the web, right? === SunWukong [n=stephan@pra13-2-82-235-212-185.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:27] At the moment just barely :-). [05:27] in a desperate situation firefox could be reversed to 1.5, couldn't it? [05:27] (at least I can't see why not) [05:27] iwj: 1.5+2.0beta+reverted-to-1.5-1, we had this exercise already :) [05:27] rodarvus: In theory but it would be a real PITA. [05:27] heh [05:27] pitti: Quite :-/. [05:27] Riddell? [05:27] hi, I have an update from kwwii [05:27] 1) worked on window deco graphics (buttons and colors) [05:27] 2) worked more on the wallpaper ideas used in knot2 (matching the colors [05:27] used in the window deco, etc.), and creating variants of those. [05:27] 3) hacking HTML/CSS and making images for the KDE app start pages still, [05:27] trying to find some community help on this [05:27] 4) finishing up BZR-NG GUI icons (summer of code project) [05:28] we have a nice new purple feel to kubuntu now thanks to kwwii [05:28] and from me: [05:28] done: [05:28] kubuntu-laptop-buttons: working fully for me, further testing needed (thanks to Lure) [05:28] kubuntu-power-management: new HAL frontend written, working fully for me, further testing needed (thanks to sebas) [05:28] kubuntu-system-settings-usability: new layout implemented, some tweaks needed (thanks to Sime) [05:28] iwj: does 2.0 will break apps using gecko? [05:28] also dapper point release testing [05:28] soc: working with abattoir on kubuntu oem-installer [05:28] blocked: [05:28] ruby1.8 [05:28] backports [05:28] todo: [05:28] kubuntu-accessibility (get kdeaccessibilty into main) [05:28] seb128: very probably. [05:28] kubuntu-hwdb [05:28] I haven't got that far. [05:29] yet [05:29] iwj: do you have public packages I could play with before you break GNOME by uploading? :) [05:29] time for xulrunner :) === ogra hides [05:29] seb128: Not yet but I can give you a sneak preview if you want. [05:29] Riddell: Can anyone help with your blocked items? [05:29] ATM they're too broken to give to you, really, but some time tomorrow and I could delay the actual upload until Monday ? [05:29] sfllaw: dunno, I don't think we have any ruby experts with a powerpc [05:29] iwj: I would be interessted as well [05:30] mvo: OK, I'll post to ubuntu-devel :-). [05:30] sfllaw: and Kamion said he had a plan for backports, but presumably it's ultimately a soyuz team issue [05:30] iwj: no hurry but you start having packages ready to use that would be nice, so I can prepare GNOME updates that need to be uploaded when the new firefox is uploaded [05:30] seb128: Right, quite so. [05:30] thanks iwj [05:30] thank you [05:30] s/you start/when you start/ [05:30] Riddell: OK. Give us a shout if the situation changes for that. [05:31] Any more questions? [05:31] seb128: I don't plan to have two uploads unless I can help it, so I'm going to try to fix all of the showstoppers now and leave anything else to fester until shortly before release. [05:31] ok [05:31] Right. [05:31] pitti? [05:32] Done: [05:32] * auto-unmount-notifications: First implementation uploaded, announced, waiting for test results [05:32] * automated-problem-reports: [05:32] - discussed update-notifier fixes with mvo, everything should be fixed in the very latest uplaod [05:32] - discussed KDE frontend with Riddell (not for edgy, KDE's crash handler is deemed good enough) [05:32] - discussed required kernel changes with BenC, next kernel will bring full backtrace and core dump love [05:32] - polished UI, core dump shrinking, fixed some bugs, adapted to new (future) kernel behaviour [05:32] - started writing a tool to produce symbolic stacktraces from a crash report and ddebs [05:32] * pkg-create-dbgsym: discussion with infinity about cowboying .ddebs to a public inofficial place; we agreed to the process and structure, needs implementation on buildds and on rookery now [05:32] * dapper point release CD testing [05:32] * security update: libwmf (quiet week, *happy*) [05:32] * thoughts about new sponsoring process, wrote tool, created teams, announced to u-devel for testing; seems to work pretty well [05:32] * misc: various bug fixes (pmount, hal, langpacks), locales updates [05:32] Todo: [05:32] * automated-problem-reports: new kernel should be uploaded RSN; test with new kernel, make final adoptions to apport, coordinate required bug-buddy/gnome changes with seb128, stick into ubuntu-desktop, announce for testing [05:32] * security updates [05:33] * catch up with bug triage [05:33] [end] sorry, long vehicle [05:34] pitti: Do you need help with CD testing? [05:34] I think some people in #ubuntu-bugs might be interested. [05:34] sfllaw: too late, dapper point release is out :) [05:34] As well as the Laptop Testing team. [05:34] Well then. [05:34] Never mind. [05:35] Any other questions? === pitti hugs the people who helped him with apport stuff === seb128 hugs pitti [05:35] doko? [05:36] - this week [05:36] - openoffice.org 2.0.3: decided against 2.0.3 for dapper-updates, two regressions in -calc with auto filters. started 2.0.4 builds for edgy. [05:36] - edgy-toolchain: benchmarking the biarch compiler and a biarch-disabled compiler (checking for compile time regressions after a discussion with Maxim), sparc and powerpc still needed. [05:36] - FC backport of classpath-0.92 to gcj-4.1; uploaded; shiny new things, including new gcjwebplugin [05:36] - python2.5: update to beta3 (final release delayed to Sept 12). [05:36] - fastjar security updates (partly done) [05:36] - next week [05:36] - looking at gcc build failures on powerpc [05:36] - openoffice.org: upload of 2.0.4 milestone [05:36] - catch up / update status on all specs before the sprint [05:37] doko: oh, nice to know that you are doing fastjar [05:37] doko: the directory traversal? [05:37] yes [05:38] Questions? [05:38] Thanks. [05:38] mvo? [05:38] Did: [05:38] * 3rd party software work (pandasoft) [05:38] * apt: [05:38] - ddtp support added to python-apt, synaptic, pending inclusion into lp-production [05:38] - ddtp synces with debian and improved the tools [05:38] - added --{no-}install-recommends and implemented [05:38] install-new-recommends-on-upgrade logic, uploaded, install-recommends by default not yet enabled by default (announcement pending) [05:38] - implmented/tested a 90% complete sha256 (apt-get source and .dsc file support missing) branch (md5 replaced as standard hash) [05:38] * command-not-found-magic initial version uploaded (in NEW) [05:38] * update-notifier improvments to notify about crash-reports [05:38] * misc (python-vte, system-tools-backends, gdebi, gksu,libgksu, language-selector, update-manager) [05:38] Blocked: [05:38] * review of the "AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse" spec [05:38] Will do: [05:39] * merge ddtp into apt, python-apt, synaptic (if it enters launchpad this week) [05:39] * announce that "recommends" will be installed shortly by default [05:39] * start with the cdrom-based dist-upgrade support [05:39] * look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove === vincent_ [n=vincent@abo-71-198-68.ang.modulonet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:39] The recommends behaviour for apt-get? [05:39] mvo: aptitude is VERY slow for me since the upgrade ... is that known bug? [05:39] it can sit for up to an hour in "blah blah package states" [05:39] (upgrade to edgy) [05:39] Keybuk: it was reported, but I have not yet investigated it [05:39] mvo: what is software-properties? [05:39] mvo, I wonder if apt-get can somehow force update of dpkg before an upgrade from dapper to edgy [05:40] Keybuk: bug 51893 [05:40] Malone bug 51893 in aptitude "aptitude pegs cpu for extended period of time on startup" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51893 [05:40] looking at AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse [05:40] Riddell: the sources.list editor in gtk [05:40] (necessary for new Breaks: field) [05:40] mvo: would have be nice to announce "install Recommends by default" some time before implementing it to let time to fix packages abusing from Recommends atm ... [05:40] rodarvus: no, but the dist-upgrade tool can do this - and we need to put it into the release notes [05:40] mvo: right [05:40] mvo, right [05:40] seb128: it is implemented :) its just not enabled yet [05:40] this is quite important, then [05:41] rodarvus: yes [05:41] indeed [05:41] mvo: yeah, what I said, would have been nice to announce it before implementing :p [05:41] mvo: we need a "clean Recommends usage" spec ;) [05:41] users might end up with a broken X if they upgrade from dapper to edgy and don't have the 'xorg' metapackage (and newer dpkg is not installed yet) [05:41] seb128: yeah! [05:42] rodarvus: ok [05:42] mvo: install recommends is an apt thing? (rather than a synaptic thing?) [05:42] rodarvus: Breaks> There's a bug against the dist upgrade tool about that. [05:42] Riddell: sure, almost all work I do currently is apt :) [05:43] iwj, nice [05:43] Riddell: it will automatically picked up by the frontends [05:43] mvo: cool, that'll be fun [05:43] Riddell: its a config option - but it is going to be fun :) [05:43] It'll just be like the good old days and dselect! [05:44] Anyway. [05:44] some people still use dselect :p [05:44] Let's move on, shall we? === mvo would like to point to his DselectToUniverse spec [05:44] ogra? [05:45] * this-week: [05:45] - point release testing etc. [05:45] - thinclient-local-devices, running smoothly over here, waits for ltspfs{,d} main inclusion (took most of this week) [05:45] - student-control-panel-completion some bugfixes [05:45] - re-assigned all ltsp specs from rodrigo back to me, he'll work fulltime on olpc soon [05:45] * next-week: [05:45] - finish thinclient-local-devices [05:45] - more serious work on student-control-panel-completion [05:45] - checking which bits from my (unused) dapper code fit for ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration [05:45] * specs: [05:45] - ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (started/suspended, resume planned before knot-3 to have it in there for testing) [05:45] - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, started) [05:45] - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, scripts and tarballs available at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/) [05:45] - ltsp-convergence: (no progress, hack-meeting planned for sept. 14th-19th, in michigan) [05:45] - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress, reviewed some debian patches for that) [05:45] - thinclient-local-devices (good progress (nearly done in fact, waiting for bits to move to main) scripts in review by sbalneav) [05:46] - fully-automatic-swap-server (no idea about progress, reassigned, need to talk to rodrigo) [05:46] - ltsp-login-and-session-handling (no progress yet, reassigned to me) [05:46] - edubuntu-xfce-desktop (no progress yet, reassigned) [05:47] Questions? [05:47] how's the new office? [05:48] nice ! [05:48]