[12:07] <imbrandon> depending on LaserJock's schedule though you MIGHT convince him to "re"hold the class again at 4 UTC though, but thats totaly upto him and what else he has planned, i know he is very busy most of the time
[12:09] <LaserJock> I was thinking of perhaps doing it again at a better time
[12:10] <LaserJock> what would 04:00 UTC be for the Europeans?
[12:10] <redguy> 6 am for CET
[12:11] <LaserJock> let's see, that would be 9:00 pm for me, I don't think I could do it
[12:12] <LaserJock> what about 17:00 UTC?
[12:12] <redguy> coffe it is then ;-)
[12:12] <redguy> oh
[12:12] <redguy> 17:00 would be just perfect for me
[12:13] <TheMuso> Meh. I'd have to refer to transcripts again. :)
[12:13] <redguy> 18:00 in the UK, 19:00 in the resto fo eourope (i suppose)
[12:13] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I don't mind really, as long as there are logs/transcripts afterwards.
[12:13] <imbrandon> TheMuso: he is talking about doing it 2wice
[12:13] <TheMuso> Oh.
[12:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I will keep the present one
[12:14] <LaserJock> but if people want another go I could try it (I might be a little tired of the subject by then, but ...)
[12:14] <redguy> btw, where are the earlier logs availible?
[12:15] <redguy> oh, sorry. Didn't look hard enough
[12:34] <nemish> any talk of flock making it into Edgy?
[12:34] <nemish> or Dapper
[12:34] <nemish> ?
[12:34] <crimsun> (sorry, but questions lacking context are really difficult to absorb on initial reading)
[01:15] <phanatic> i know it's not a support channel, but it's s.o.s.: my / partition was remounted as ro due to an error
[01:15] <phanatic> i cannot even save my work :(
[01:15] <phanatic> /dev/sda7 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[01:16] <TheMuso> Ouch.
[01:16] <phanatic> i just launched a search in nautilus
[01:16] <phanatic> after that i got this
[01:17] <phanatic> the /home is on a different partition, but i cannot save to that either (tho it's mounted rw)
[01:17] <TheMuso> What?
[01:17] <TheMuso> Thats really weird.
[01:17] <phanatic> yep
[01:18] <phanatic> never seen like this before
[01:19] <phanatic> oh my, #ubuntu is pretty useless :(
[01:20] <micahcowan> phanatic, you've hardly given it any time.
[01:20] <phanatic> micahcowan: okay, i can wait :)
[01:20] <phanatic> it's just running off the screen very soon...
[03:08] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon, hi all
[03:09] <ajmitch> hello
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:10] <LaserJock> hmm, does anybody have ops in #ubuntu-motu-school?
[03:10] <ajmitch> yay, another merge(well, a sync) for me to do
[03:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[03:10] <ajmitch> you want topic unlocked for now?
[03:11] <crimsun> that would suffice
[03:11] <LaserJock> I guess, I just want it updated
[03:11] <ajmitch> go ahead
[03:11] <crimsun> we shouldn't have to worry about vandalism in there anyway.
[03:12] <ajmitch> is it cheating if I create syncs for me to file, if I do the debian upload? :)
[03:12] <StevenK> Heh
[03:12] <StevenK> ajmitch: I don't think so, but I've done the same thing. :-)
[03:12] <LaserJock> ack, I can't figure out how to do it
[03:12] <crimsun> err, sorry
[03:12] <StevenK> crimsun: Nicely done.
[03:12] <StevenK> :-P
[03:13] <crimsun> yeah, go me with my missing leading /
[03:13] <crimsun> LaserJock: /topic newstuff
[03:13] <LaserJock> yeah, I figured
[03:13] <LaserJock> it just wasn't letting me do anything
[03:14] <LaserJock> but I guess chanserv is being difficult
[03:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's fixed
[03:14] <crimsun> if anyone has topic history, that would be great ;)
[03:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: grepping logs :)
[03:15] <ajmitch> hopefully that was the last one set
[03:15] <ajmitch> probably not, looking at how old it is
[03:15] <StevenK> That looks Dapper-ish
[03:16] <Hobbsee> before foo?
[03:16] <crimsun> yeah
[03:16] <Hobbsee> there you go :)
[03:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes, exactly the same
[03:16] <crimsun> thanks :)
[03:17] <ajmitch> we should change a few of those items
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true enough
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia
[03:17] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee
[03:17] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[03:17] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[03:18] <Burgundavia> can anybody get to ubuntu.ca or ubuntu-ca.org?
[03:18] <StevenK> Burgundavia: I can.,
[03:18] <StevenK> s/\,$//
[03:19] <crimsun> same here
[03:20] <ajmitch> oh that's an interesting point about the use of ~ in versions
[03:20] <LaserJock> heh, the only bugs I get from Debian for my packages are the policy kind
[03:21] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: isn't mvo doing some sort of python policy too?
[03:21] <ajmitch> other packages that depend on foo (>= x.y), foo (<< x.y+1), but foo x.y+1~z is uploaded
[03:21] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: the whole world is moving to a new policy
[03:21] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=madcoder-python-transition@debian.org
[03:21] <ajmitch> to give an indication of how much needs fixed
[03:22] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: yes, and what is the difference between central and support?
[03:22] <ajmitch> not much
[03:22] <ajmitch> it's basically just pick which one you want
[03:22] <LaserJock> doko recommends central, but he wrote it so that makes sense ;-)
[03:22] <crimsun> from a maintainer's perspective, you install to a different location for pysupport
[03:22] <Burgundavia> right, that is utter insanity
[03:23] <Burgundavia> why have two?
[03:23] <StevenK> pycentral looked less polished than pysupport.
[03:23] <ajmitch> I only had to add a few lines in either case
[03:23] <crimsun> right, it's absolutely trivial for a maintainer's usage
[03:24] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I think there is an internal... discussion that means 2 apps to do the job
[03:24] <StevenK> I changed Linda's build system so I could specify the module path more easily.
[03:24] <Burgundavia> right, I sensed it was a bit more than discussion
[03:24] <crimsun> See point #1 here: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ap-upgrade.html
[03:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you should get your announcement of the school session on devel-announce if posible
[03:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I sent it to -devel
[03:26] <ajmitch> I saw
[03:26] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure if u-d-a was appropriate or not
[03:26] <ajmitch> the sessions by pitti & crimsun were listed there by dholbach
[03:29] <ajmitch> does anyone here use f-spot & want to test importing?
[03:30] <ajmitch> especially those bitten by imports of rotated photos being broken in some cases
[03:33] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: edgy?
[03:33] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: for sure
[03:34] <ajmitch> I don't have issues with it at the moment, but others run into the bug
[03:34] <jsgotangco> now if i could only have a sane network on edgy
[03:40] <Burgundavia> hmm, I wish I could get edgy to install
[03:41] <bmonty> hi all
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: you cant?
[03:41] <imbrandon> i've been on edgy for a while now
[03:41] <imbrandon> heya bmonty
[03:41] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[03:41] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[03:42] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: installer fails on the partitioner
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: ah. useufl
[03:42] <Hobbsee> *useful
[03:42] <TheMuso> Burgundavia: You using desktop or alternate
[03:42] <jsgotangco> mine doesn't recognize the interfaces at first boot
[03:42] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: even with the alternate ?
[03:42] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: desktop
[03:42] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:42] <Burgundavia> don't have any edgy alternate pulled down
[03:43] <TheMuso> SO I had to use knot 1.
[03:43] <Burgundavia> I have heard all manner of hell from my LUG about the dapper installer, so I try and test is rigourously
[03:43] <TheMuso> site/cd/
[03:43] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: dapper's install was ok, but had quite a few bugs
[03:43] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:43] <ajmitch> most of which are probably fixed with 6.06.1
[03:43] <ajmitch> if that's out now
[03:43] <ajmitch> looks like it is
[03:44] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea its out afaik just maybe not on ALL mirrors
[03:45] <imbrandon> brb
[04:04] <bmonty> crimsun: ping
[04:05] <crimsun> pong
[04:05] <bmonty> do you know anything about fcitx?
[04:05] <bmonty> (free chinese input toy)
[04:06] <crimsun> no, freeflying might
[04:06] <bmonty> package is on the merge list...looks like a sync request to me
[04:07] <freeflying> bmonty: please sync it from sid
[04:07] <bmonty> freeflying: ok
[04:07] <freeflying> bmonty: thanks
[04:08] <bmonty> np :)
[04:19] <bmonty> gaim 2.0.0 is going to be the standard for edgy, correct?
[04:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: should be
[04:21] <ajmitch> current in edgy is 1:2.0.0+beta3-4ubuntu2
[04:22] <bmonty> ok, I think we should remove the gaim-meanwhile package.  See http://meanwhile.sourceforge.net/wiki/Gaim%20Meanwhile
[04:22] <ajmitch> currently gaim is built without meanwhile support
[04:22] <ajmitch> due to the lib being in universe
[04:22] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, but if it was built with meanwhile support, the plugin is included in gaim 2.0.0
[04:23] <ajmitch> either way we don't have the meanwhile plugin built
[04:23] <ajmitch> the hard option is to rip the plugin out of gaim's source & update gaim-meanwhile with it in universe
[04:24] <ajmitch> the easier option is to convince people that libmeanwhile should be in main
[04:47] <toddobryan> Hi, all. If a Debian package exists for something, how hard is it to get an Ubuntu package?
[04:47] <imbrandon> toddobryan: depends, it should be in edgy if its in unstable
[04:47] <imbrandon> if not its just a matter of a sync
[04:47] <imbrandon> if it builds ok  etc
[04:48] <imbrandon> toddobryan: what package ?
[04:48] <toddobryan> drscheme, v352
[04:49] <ajmitch> probably just needs another sync
[04:49] <imbrandon> yea
[04:49] <imbrandon> its in edgy
[04:49] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ apt-cache madison drscheme
[04:49] <imbrandon>   drscheme | 1:209-9ubuntu2 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/universe Packages
[04:49] <imbrandon>   drscheme | 1:209-9ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[04:49] <ajmitch> source is 1:301-15
[04:49] <ajmitch> which obviously didn't build
[04:50] <imbrandon> right
[04:50] <imbrandon> kk
[04:50] <toddobryan> If it's in edgy, can I install it in dapper?
[04:50] <toddobryan> Oh, wait. This is the backport thing, right?
[04:51] <toddobryan> (Can you tell I've only been doing the Ubuntu thing since June?)
[04:51] <imbrandon> possibly but its not recomended unless its in dapper-backports becouse then it has been tested in a dapper enviroment
[04:52] <toddobryan> While you're trying to build that, how hard is it to learn to package stuff?
[04:52] <toddobryan> Specifically, I use some Java programs in my teaching, and would love to have Ubuntu packages for them.
[04:53] <imbrandon> toddobryan: depends on the person, a good place to start is the packaging guide and the MOTU classes
[04:53] <imbrandon> !packaging guide
[04:53] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:53] <toddobryan> I just saw the class channel tonight. Once I can figure out how I'm related to UTC, I'll be sure to give those a try.
[04:53] <toddobryan> :-)
[04:53] <imbrandon> heh
[04:54] <imbrandon> where are you ?
[04:54] <toddobryan> US, Eastern Time.
[04:54] <toddobryan> I think I'm UTC-6 ??
[04:54] <bmonty> toddobryan: you are -4 from UTC
[04:54] <imbrandon> gmt -4 then i would think
[04:54] <toddobryan> Thanks.
[04:54] <imbrandon> yea
[04:54] <toddobryan> I was close.
[04:55] <bmonty> toddobryan: the difference between New York and Denver :)
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh
[04:55] <toddobryan> But are Java programs reasonable given that they don't have different binaries, don't need make, etc?
[04:56] <bmonty> toddobryan: yes, the packaging system can handle java programs
[04:57] <toddobryan> bmonty: I meant, are they reasonably easy to package? Is it something I could figure out in a weekend, or should I wait until I have a free week or two?
[04:57] <nixternal> east coast is UTC -4 until we fall back an hour, then it will be UTC -5, and me and imbrandon will be UTC -6 again
[04:57] <bmonty> toddobryan: hard to say, but take a look at the packaging guide.  It should give you an idea of the level of effort required
[04:58] <imbrandon> toddobryan: you could probably get a good start on it in a weekend but dont expect to be an expert by then, it will likely take a cupple of months of weekends to get it 1000%
[04:58] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that soon?
[04:58] <bmonty> ajmitch: I thought you learned how in two hours
[04:58] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hehe well possibly longer, but the basics to make a simple package
[04:58] <nixternal> no doubt imbrandon, i have been doing it for a few months, and i still bother you to show me stuff
[04:58] <nixternal> oh, the basics tonight ;)
[04:59] <ajmitch> bmonty: more like 5 years
[04:59] <nixternal> i did my first package in a few hours, then had to learn how to sync it last night ;)
[04:59] <toddobryan> Looking at the packaging guide is actually very frustrating. They go through the basics of packaging some files, but there's no big overview to help you get your bearings.
[04:59] <nixternal> thanks to Hobbsee of course on that first package
[04:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heheh yea thats what i mean i've been doing it some months new and am still very much a newb for the most part
[05:00] <bmonty> I love creating a sync request for a package I just finished merging a couple days ago :(
[05:00] <imbrandon> toddobryan: thats becouse its very much experince orented every package can be very diffrent even though they all follow the same basic guidelines
[05:00] <toddobryan> Ah.
[05:01] <imbrandon> or /should/ follow
[05:01] <imbrandon> heh
[05:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: I love filing a sync request for stuff that I've been changing in debian
[05:01] <bmonty> ajmitch: at least you can plan for that
[05:02] <ajmitch> quite easily
[05:02] <ajmitch> if I've got time to test one, I test the other
[05:02] <imbrandon> but yea you can get the basic concepts down in a weekend or two but like ajmitch said ( and dont let him fool you he is VERY good ) has been doing it 5 years and still trips up on things ;)
[05:02] <bmonty> if I had waited 24 hours I could have done the sync request in the first place (kboincspy)
[05:02] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, like learning how to work with the new python policy, for example :)
[05:02] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:04] <ajmitch> oh good
[05:04] <ajmitch> drscheme builds cleanly on edgy
[05:04] <toddobryan> OK. So there's this program, DrJava. It's a double-clickable jar file. That's the whole thing. Should *theoretically* be really easy to package, right?
[05:04] <imbrandon> ;P
[05:05] <toddobryan> ajmitch: Thank you!!! That's great news.
[05:05] <imbrandon> toddobryan: single binary ?
[05:05] <toddobryan> imbrandon: yep. That's it.
[05:06] <imbrandon> toddobryan: yea shouldent be terribly difficult but dont quote me 100% on that as i've never even looked at the progam
[05:06] <toddobryan> imbrandon: no problem. But it's probably a good one to start with.
[05:07] <toddobryan> imbrandon: I've become very enamored of Python recently. But as long as I teach AP Comp Sci, they're using Java.
[05:07] <imbrandon> heh get em to use c# ;)
[05:08] <bmonty> toddobryan: you are able to require the use of ubuntu in your class?
[05:08] <welshbyte> i've been using java for over 5 years and it's the language i'm most proficient in... i hate it
[05:08] <ajmitch> sync request filed for drscheme for edgy
[05:08] <toddobryan> imbrandon: Um, C#??? How would I afford the Visual Studio licenses?
[05:09] <imbrandon> toddobryan: *cough* mono *cough*
[05:09] <imbrandon> monodevelop
[05:09] <toddobryan> bmonty: I'm going to require it in my senior class, which is a software engineering/random CS topics class.
[05:09] <imbrandon> on windows sharpdevelop
[05:09] <bmonty> toddobryan: since you said "AP" I'm assuming this is a high school class?
[05:10] <toddobryan> bmonty: There are only 20 kids, so I can help them with the installation.
[05:10] <toddobryan> imbrandon: Ah, now I remember what mono is...the OSS version of .Net?
[05:10] <imbrandon> toddobryan: basicly yes
[05:10] <toddobryan> bmonty: Yes. I teach at a high school with a Math/Science/Tech magnet.
[05:10] <Burgundavia> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[05:10] <bmonty> toddobryan: nice
[05:11] <toddobryan> bmonty: Most days. Today we heard from the district office that they wouldn't tell us the license code for Windows so that we could create images for our labs.
[05:12] <ajmitch> now if you can go ubuntu all the way, it'd be good
[05:12] <bmonty> even more reason to use ubuntu
[05:12] <imbrandon> ubuntu ;)
[05:12] <toddobryan> bmonty: We'll see whether they expect us to go around and install software on every machine individually or if they hope to do it before school starts next Tuesday.
[05:12] <ajmitch> though we're just slightly biased towards ubuntu in here
[05:13] <LaserJock> ajmitch: really? I hadn't noticed that ;-)
[05:13] <imbrandon> or {k,ed}ubuntu
[05:13] <Burgundavia> toddobryan: we recommend Edubuntu or Ubuntu for your licensing needs. I have found to remove 100% of them.
[05:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:13] <bmonty> I'm not biased
[05:13] <toddobryan> Actually, the plan in my lab is to have Windows on the hard drives to keep the county people happy, and then run Ubuntu using DRBL.
[05:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, we hate it with a passion & can't help noticing the flaws
[05:13] <welshbyte> *jedi hand wave* It's ubuntu that you're looking for, not these droids...
[05:13] <imbrandon> lol
[05:13] <Burgundavia> the MCP in me would like to point out that AD is still easier than LDAP
[05:13] <toddobryan> Oh, I'm convinced.
[05:14] <toddobryan> But, get this.
[05:14] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I know, oh I know
[05:14] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: right. Do something about it already ;)
[05:14] <toddobryan> They just got an email server that is only fully functional with IE.
[05:14] <bmonty> Burgundavia: lol
[05:14] <LaserJock> toddobryan: ouch, that's not nice
[05:14] <imbrandon> toddobryan: ouch , email that requires IE ?
[05:14] <bmonty> toddobryan: let me guess...outlook web access?
[05:14] <toddobryan> Uh-huh.
[05:14] <toddobryan> And that's all we've got.
[05:14] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that sort of thing will take a year or two at least - it needs to be integrated across the system & desktop
[05:15] <imbrandon> toddobryan: you know evolution can access owa 100% right ?
[05:15] <bmonty> you know it is possible to use it with firefox if the admin enables the "standard" mode
[05:15] <Burgundavia> toddobryan: OWA will work in FF
[05:15] <bmonty> ...and lost
[05:15] <toddobryan> The teacher next door to me had her account frozen because there were too many messages in her inbox, and they kept telling her it was because she was using Firefox.
[05:16] <toddobryan> Oh, it's usable. Just not "fully functional." Whatever that means.
[05:16] <imbrandon> toddobryan: evolutions excahnge connectior will connect to OWA also no problems infact thats what it was designed to do
[05:16] <toddobryan> I use a Mac at home. :-)
[05:16] <LaserJock> I use a Mac at work. :-)
[05:16] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:16] <welshbyte> I use a Mac when i have to walk to the shops in the rain
[05:17] <LaserJock> bah, well mine has a really messed up Edgy on it, darn ATI
[05:17] <toddobryan> My PowerBook dual boots...
[05:17] <toddobryan> :-)
[05:17] <imbrandon> yea my iBook dual boots osx 10.4 and edgy
[05:17] <toddobryan> So, once drscheme is in edgy, can I request a backport?
[05:17] <LaserJock> some days, what I wouldn't give for a ppc mac :/
[05:18] <imbrandon> heh
[05:18] <imbrandon> LaserJock: trade ya ;) hehe
[05:18] <LaserJock> sorry, my boss might get mad
[05:18] <ajmitch> there's a fairly good chance drscheme will build cleanly on dapper as well
[05:18] <imbrandon> toddobryan: yea but i would pop in here and ask the proper protocal first to make sure it go's through
[05:19] <toddobryan> I did not know that Evolution would work with a web connection. I'm setting that up now.
[05:19] <Burgundavia> toddobryan: evo can speak directly to exchange
[05:19] <imbrandon> LaserJock: just paint my iBook black and print a sn sticker on the laser printer and pop it on the battery , good to go .... heheh
[05:19] <toddobryan> It would be great if the Ubuntu teachers had better email access than the poor saps on Windows.
[05:20] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: thats what i asaid, and actualy it talks to OWA not exchange directly if you actualy read what it does even though its named "exchange connector"
[05:21] <Burgundavia> imbrando: yep
[05:21] <bmonty> goodnight all
[05:21] <ajmitch> night bmonty
[05:21] <toddobryan> Does anyone know if apostrophe is legal in an email address?
[05:22] <ajmitch> toddobryan: unlikely
[05:22] <imbrandon> doubtfull
[05:22] <toddobryan> Yeah. They just made us all new email addresses, and didn't check.
[05:22] <toddobryan> So mine is Todd.O'Bryan@lameschool.us
[05:23] <toddobryan> Argh.
[05:23] <imbrandon> lol
[05:24] <ajmitch> toddobryan: looks valid actually
[05:24] <toddobryan> Yeah. It worked. Amazing.
[05:24] <imbrandon> sounds like you guys need a IT dept ;)
[05:24] <welshbyte> imbrandon: cor, that's a bit drastic, isn't it? :)
[05:25] <imbrandon> welshbyte: heh maybe ;)
[05:25] <toddobryan> It's not really the IT people's fault. The district pays crap, so can't get qualified people.
[05:25] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know if quod libet has done the python policy transition in edgy?
[05:26] <toddobryan> I had a student find her way into a payroll department computer and a big list of social security numbers.
[05:26] <imbrandon> heh nice
[05:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[05:26] <toddobryan> All because no one bothered to turn off hidden shares.
[05:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: at least it depends on python-central
[05:26] <LaserJock> k, I was thinking of using it tomorrow
[05:26] <imbrandon> toddobryan: yup another valaid reason for all linux ( esp the servers )
[05:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: brave of you
[05:27] <poningru> whyyyyyyyyy
[05:27] <crimsun> mutagen might be simpler
[05:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: or stupid
[05:27] <Burgundavia> poningru: ?
[05:27] <crimsun> (it depends on mutagen)
[05:27] <poningru> dude I should have asked you to make a presentation to the UF people
[05:27] <crimsun> (and yes, mutagen has transitioned)
[05:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, I liked quod libet because it was python and it has multiple binaries
[05:27] <Burgundavia> poningru: UF?
[05:27] <poningru> uni of florida
[05:27] <poningru> just got a new library
[05:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: I don't think I'll say much about it
[05:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: then you probably want to use 0.22-2, which has some stuff fixed.
[05:28] <poningru> millions of $$$ on computers+software
[05:28] <ajmitch> Burgundavia the ubuntu superstar?
[05:28] <Burgundavia> poningru: that is sad
[05:28] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: more like Corey Burger the Userful salesman
[05:28] <crimsun> stuff are on tiber:/var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[05:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, maybe I should do mutagen and then quod libet to show what a multiple binary package looks like
[05:30] <LaserJock> I'm afraid people have too high of expectations, you can't cover much in that amount of time
[05:30] <crimsun> LaserJock: however you want to, prof.
[05:31] <Burgundavia> poningru: in better news, colorado is shaping very nicely
[05:31] <toddobryan> Thanks so much, guys. Just got Evolution set up. It's awesome.
[05:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: hah, you're the real prof
[05:31] <ajmitch> LaserJock: teach us to package OOo!
[05:31] <imbrandon> toddobryan: np ;)
[05:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: don't make me cry
[05:32] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I think you'd scare everyone off
[05:32] <imbrandon> hehe pick a k* package ;)
[05:32] <ajmitch> and you'd probably be hitting the liqour cabinet quite soon ;)
[05:32] <imbrandon> lol
[05:33] <imbrandon> LaserJock: my wife just told me its been 112+ out there the last few days
[05:33] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I'd rather not package any g* or k*
[05:33] <LaserJock> imbrandon: recently? it hasn't been that bad I don't think
[05:34] <imbrandon> well i just got off the phone with her, about an hour ago
[05:34] <imbrandon> she might have been talking about recient past
[05:34] <poningru> Burgundavia: nice
[05:34] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, the high today was 90 in Reno
[05:34] <LaserJock> it was really hot not long ago
[05:35] <toddobryan> OK. Completely off-topic question...How do I find the Global Catalog server name?
[05:35] <imbrandon> is there an ldap server setup ?
[05:35] <crimsun> hah, I just called a troll in #ubuntu. Nice.
[05:35] <crimsun> just got called, rather
[05:36] <imbrandon> hahaha
[05:36] <LaserJock> oh nice
[05:36] <ajmitch> yes, after saying 1 line
[05:36] <ajmitch> I was impressed
[05:36] <LaserJock> what did you say?
[05:36] <crimsun> 23:34 < mike-e> so, ubuntu doesn't support ISA?
[05:36] <crimsun> 23:35 < crimsun> mike-e: it does, why?
[05:36] <toddobryan> Well, on the web interface, I just click a button.
[05:36] <imbrandon> hahaha thats classic
[05:36] <imbrandon> you anwsered him
[05:37] <imbrandon> should i feed the real troll and ask him why ? heh
[05:38] <crimsun> nah
[05:39] <crimsun> serves me right for trying to help
[05:39] <imbrandon> heh
[05:44] <toddobryan> ajmitch: Any news on drscheme in Dapper?
[05:44] <ajmitch> toddobryan: no, have to fix my build system first :)
[05:45] <toddobryan> ajmitch: Oh, OK. No prob.
[05:49] <LaserJock> ah, stink. I don't know how far to take this
[05:49] <LaserJock> I'd like to use an edgy pbuilder to build the packages
[05:49] <LaserJock> but that means people need to have an edgy pbuilder
[05:50] <imbrandon> thats a good hour there setting that up ;)
[05:50] <imbrandon> for newbs
[05:51] <welshbyte> luckily i set one up just yesterday :)
[05:51] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i got drscheme building in a dapper pbuilder right now
[05:51] <imbrandon> we'll see if it works
[05:51] <ajmitch> imbrandon: thanks - it should build fine
[05:51] <ajmitch> since it does on edgy, build-depends look sane
[05:52] <imbrandon> yea it grabed all the deps fine, and its actualy building now
[05:52] <imbrandon> brb gonna get a soda while this compiles
[05:52] <ajmitch> edgy sync request is already in
[05:54] <LaserJock> hmm, mutagen is CDBS goodness
[05:59] <toddobryan> You guys are awesome.
[05:59] <toddobryan> It'll be so much nicer if this installs in the right place with an icon and everything.
[06:13] <imbrandon> ok builds find in a dapper chroot too
[06:14] <imbrandon> i'll file a backport request for dapper , meantime toddobryan i have uploaded the package that it built to my webserver but rember 2 things before you grab it and try it
[06:15] <imbrandon> 1 is i have zero idea if this actualy works and there is zero support for this as i just personaly built it from the unstable source
[06:15] <imbrandon> 2 i'm not responsible if it makes your system go BOOM lol
[06:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: wait for the sync to go through before going for the dapper backport
[06:15] <imbrandon> but with that said your more than welcome to try this package while you wait for the backport request to take effect as that could be a while
[06:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ok
[06:16] <imbrandon> toddobryan: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/drscheme/  <-- i uploaded the dapper builds ther if you want to try them
[06:16] <imbrandon> they should install fine
[06:16] <imbrandon> s/ther/there
[06:19] <imbrandon> i assume your on i386 too , if not i have amd64 / pcc that i can do later tonight if you want but i'm not gonna waste my time unless you ask
[06:19] <imbrandon> toddobryan: ^^
[06:20] <imbrandon> woot ajmitch i got an email back from a DD sponsor but i dont quite understand what he's asking me to do
[06:20] <imbrandon> got a half sec ?
[06:21] <imbrandon> he replied with :
[06:21] <imbrandon> I'll review it.
[06:21] <imbrandon> Please reopen #293048 [0]  and close it in the changelog.
[06:21] <imbrandon> [0]  http://bugs.debian.org/293048
[06:21] <imbrandon> reopen the bug ? and close it with the changelog ?
[06:23] <crimsun> you need to reopen it, because it timed out due to inactivity and was thus closed
[06:24] <crimsun> then in debian/changelog, you can use: (Closes: #293048)
[06:24] <imbrandon> ahh ok so rebuild again and add that ( once the bug is reopened )
[06:24] <ajmitch> yes, though you shouldn't have to wait long
[06:25] <imbrandon> wait long ?
[06:26] <ajmitch> depending on how slow the bug server is
[06:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, it's pretty slow...
[06:26] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[06:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ has info on how to reopen bugs
[06:26] <imbrandon> kk thanks ajmitch
[06:27] <toddobryan> imbrandon: Thanks!!!!
[06:27] <toddobryan> imbrandon: (was in the bathroom, then got distracted by a bad install.)
[06:27] <imbrandon> yw , but as i said , it builds dosent mean it works heheh try at your risk
[06:28] <toddobryan> I have actually run the source version, so it *should* be okay.
[06:28] <toddobryan> Maybe.
[06:29] <toddobryan> Grabbed them both and will give them a try! Thanks again.
[06:31] <imbrandon> np
[06:33] <imbrandon> so i send these command to control@ in the body of the email ?
[06:34] <crimsun> it's described at the above URL
[06:35] <imbrandon> yea i'm reading it, its kinda cryptic
[06:41] <ajmitch> oh dear
[06:41] <ajmitch> we're getting spam on bugreports now
[06:42] <ajmitch> bug 4670
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 4670 in linux-source-2.6.15 "when webcam is connected the system hangs" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4670
[06:42] <ajmitch> see last comment
[06:43] <imbrandon> hahahah classic
[06:44] <toddobryan> Well, it's closing in one 1:00 am here, so I think I will go home and leave my classroom till tomorrow.
[06:44] <toddobryan> :-(
[06:44] <toddobryan> Thanks for all the help!!!
[06:45] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: that looks like an automated "look at my cool thing", list created by uploaded a list from his email client of all the email addies that have sent anything to him
[06:46] <imbrandon> darn windows users
[06:47] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: still rather inconvenient
[06:47] <imbrandon> whats this " quit stop thank... " at the end, is that an example or grrr
[06:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: btw, a useful tool is bts :)
[06:48] <crimsun> imbrandon: it's a delimiter
[06:48] <imbrandon> heh probably but this is so freakin cryptic i HATE the debian website, it links back to links to the same links back to .....
[06:49] <imbrandon> i cant ever find anything i'm looking for
[06:49] <crimsun> actually I think the Debian Web site is straightforward
[06:49] <imbrandon> crimsun: i realize that but is it ment littlerly or ...
[06:49] <imbrandon> like here is the email i'm composing
[06:49] <imbrandon> reopen 293048 imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[06:49] <imbrandon> #... Reopening this request , and uploaded to mentors.debian.net
[06:49] <imbrandon> quit
[06:49] <imbrandon> stop
[06:49] <imbrandon> thank...
[06:49] <imbrandon> --...
[06:50] <imbrandon> thats what i got out of this damn thing so far
[06:50] <imbrandon> heheh crimsun the website is the main reason i use ubuntu , i could never find the right link to the iso i wanted to download
[06:50] <imbrandon> ( long ago )
[06:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: can you pm me a one line summary of where your soc project is?
[06:51] <imbrandon> isnt there a web interface to do all this ?
[06:54] <LaserJock> grrr, this is turning into a novel :(
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Does anybody want to process merges for me?
[06:56] <Fujitsu> They all build properly on x86 Edgy.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:57] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[06:57] <Fujitsu> {Eve,Mor}ning.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[07:01] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[07:02] <TheMuso> How goes the wonderful world of studies?
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[09:54] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:55] <lucas> hi Hobbsee
[09:56] <Hobbsee> hey lucas :)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee:  http://www.warbard.ca/temp/official-desktop-happy-corey-2.svg <-- just to cheese you off ;)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: hah
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: in fact, I am going to be making a 3' x 5' banner for LWE with that on it
[09:59] <Burgundavia> just to expressly cheese you off
[10:00] <micahcowan> Why would it cheese her off... is she KDE?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> micahcowan: oh yes, and I remind her of it quite frequently
[10:02] <micahcowan> :-)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> honestly, Hobbsee is hard working and a nice person
[10:02] <Burgundavia> she takes my kidding quite well
[10:03] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: i'm part of the kubuntu council, among other things.  so kde stuff, yes.
[10:03] <micahcowan> Well, I've seen her onlist just enough to conclude she's pretty nice.... as to her being hard working, well, I see her lounging on IRC all the time...
[10:03] <micahcowan> ;-)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: heh
[10:03] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: check out edgy changes for the last couple of months :P
[10:04] <micahcowan> Ah, yes. But I'm on ubuntu, so I might not see your changes :p
[10:04] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: edgy changes shows them all.  actually, i have done a couple of gnomeish packages
[10:10] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You are interested in looking at GNOME again? :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: only very slightly.
[10:11] <TheMuso> hehe right.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> GNOME is horrible :P
[10:11] <TheMuso> Oh really?
[10:11] <Hobbsee> yes :P
[10:11] <TheMuso> Convince me. :)
[10:19] <thom> anything that claims to be a desktop environment is horrible
[10:22] <Lathiat> heh
[10:23] <thom> it'd be very minimal. ion3, rxvt-unicode, firefox, evince-gtk, muttng
[10:24] <nexu> thats too bloated, you would have something that manage your windows
[10:24] <thom> i didn't say unusable :-)
[10:24] <nexu> :P
[10:25] <nexu> but ion is somehow cute yes
[10:26] <nexu> i'm using it for my gaming in linux, windowed mode
[10:32] <Burgundavia> thom: interesting point on your blog. You truly could cause traffice chaos
[10:36] <thom> Burgundavia: they /have/ caused chaos
[10:38] <Burgundavia> thom: I was thinking a wider "attack", across maybe the eastern seaboard and the UK simultaneously
[10:49] <thom> Burgundavia: you don't really need to - already you can't fly uk-> us, and the US airports will start to see backlogs because they'll go to higher security alerts
[10:50] <Burgundavia> true
[11:34] <carthik> I got the parts I needed for my frankenstein PC for $197 :)
[11:35] <carthik> wrong channel - oops!
[12:04] <geser> is there a wiki page describing how to produce a debdiff?
[12:06] <micahcowan> geser, the manpage is sufficient, I believe.
[12:07] <geser> ok will try it
[12:44] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: In response to bug 55261 : I'm always trying to get .desktops into debian because then it's less work for us :-)
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55261 in pixelize "Pixelize doesn't appear in the menus (no .desktop file)" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55261
[12:45] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: true :)
[12:45] <slomo> Hobbsee: don't touch banshee please
[12:45] <Hobbsee> slomo: ok, sure
[12:45] <ajmitch> and don't touch the zope stuff
[12:46] <ajmitch> since a number of the debian changes are broken NMUs which need fixed
[12:46] <slomo> Hobbsee: it needs some code changes from upstream that i'm still waiting for ;)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: wasnt going to go anywhere near the zope stuff - i know that's best left to you :P
[12:46] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: slomo is debian maintainer for banshee - listen to him
[12:46] <Hobbsee> slomo: ah nice.  geser's asking for a package to be removed from the archive, to do with banshee.  i'll leave you to deal with it, or you want me to reject it now?
[12:47] <slomo> Hobbsee: which package?
[12:47] <slomo> and who's geser?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-cd-burner/+bug/55865
[12:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55865 in nautilus-cd-burner "[Edgy]  Please remove obsolete libnautilus-burn3 from archive" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[12:47] <Hobbsee> slomo: guy in the channel
[12:47] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/55863 also
[12:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55863 in banshee "[Edgy]  banshee is linked against libnautilus-burn3 which is superseded by libnautilus-burn4" [Untriaged,In progress] 
[12:48] <slomo> Hobbsee: ah, yes old n-c-b should be removed... but this will be done semi-automatically by the archive admins... no need for a bug
[12:48] <Hobbsee> slomo: true.  i didnt file the thing.  in fact, i only started looking when i saw it was asking to remove a package that still had rdepends.
[12:56] <zakame> hi all
[12:56] <zakame> MOTUs and folks at large :D
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hi zakame
[12:57] <zakame> heya Hobbsee !
[12:57] <zakame> I'm playing with ntfs-3g, just finished building packages for it :))
[12:57] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[12:58] <zakame> I'll be uploading to revu tonight, hopefully :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:59] <zakame> how are you? taking my merges now?
[12:59] <zakame> er,  previous merges I mean
[12:59] <ajmitch> zakame: she's stealing everyone's
[12:59] <zakame> hi ajmitch! :D
[12:59] <zakame> lol
[12:59] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[12:59] <zakame> well I do hope to see Hobbsee to take the podium at the next MOTU school hehe
[01:00] <ajmitch> hope? I expect it
[01:01] <zakame> ooh!
[01:01] <zakame> well I've been pretty much away from MOTU land till now :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> you scared her off
[01:02] <zakame> buwahaha
[02:51] <kiko> hey there
[02:51] <kiko> does anyone here know gauvain pocentek?
[02:52] <Gloubiboulga> kiko, yep
[02:52] <Gloubiboulga> it's me :)
[02:52] <kiko> heh
[02:52] <kiko> can you /join ##soyuz1.0 for a moment?
[02:52] <Gloubiboulga> sure
[02:52] <kiko> thanks
[02:53] <TheMuso> Hey MOTus.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[03:03] <Hobbsee> we had a musical on tonight?   cool
[03:03] <TheMuso> Yeah. You don't hear about them?
[03:04] <TheMuso> They have at least two every year, and then there's the law review show.
[03:04] <TheMuso> WHich is very funny.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i'm not really on that side of things
[03:04] <TheMuso> Thgouth you may have heard about them anyway.
[03:04] <TheMuso> thought
[03:58] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[03:59] <sladen> nn TheMuso
[04:53] <kgoetz> is there a recommended example rules file? or should i try and fine on on the net?
[04:54] <kgoetz> er, makefile
[05:14] <neutrinomass> I'm following the Ubuntu packaging guide and " dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot" gives me a /usr/bin/fakeroot: 152: debian/rules: Permission denied error message ... any ideas ?
[05:15] <thom> neutrinomass: chmod 755 debian/rules
[05:15] <thom> as a first guess
[05:17] <neutrinomass> thom: Heh, indeed. Thanks :-)
[05:18] <neutrinomass> Why is it that tab's cannot be copy pasted btw ?
[05:31] <Kyral_Laptop> Someone clear something up...there is an Ubuntu 6.06.1?
[05:32] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[05:32] <Kyral_Laptop> ...why....
[05:32] <Gloubiboulga> to include updates in the iso?
[05:33] <Kyral_Laptop> ....*pound head into wall*
[05:35] <neutrinomass> Kyral_Laptop: I think it was mainly done to fix several installer issues ....
[05:35] <slomo> Kyral_Laptop: what's your problem with this?
[05:35] <Kyral_Laptop> nothing....
[05:35] <Kyral_Laptop> its becoming more and more like XP
[05:35] <Nafallo> Kyral_Laptop: you mean... fix severe bugs? :-)
[05:36] <Kyral_Laptop> doesn't the normal process do that
[05:37] <Nafallo> yea, it's real fun to download 300+ packages on a newly installed computer with a frozen release.
[05:37] <thom> Kyral_Laptop: sure, but it doesn't hurt to give people the opportunity to be safe by default
[05:37] <Kyral_Laptop> ...this is what highspeed is for :P
[05:37] <thom> rather than get the winxp situation of installing and being immediately compromised
[05:37] <Nafallo> hispeeds on the compromise might be faster...
[05:37] <Kyral_Laptop> if you do NetInst then you are already safe
[05:38] <thom> Kyral_Laptop: great, that's very helpful indeed for the .1% of our users who do that
[05:38] <Kyral_Laptop> Why wouldn't you NetInst....
[05:38] <slomo> because you don't have a fast and unlimited connection?
[05:39] <Kyral_Laptop> you mean 56kers?
[05:39] <Nafallo> because my dad isn't a hacker? :-)
[05:39] <slomo> for example... or people who can only download 1 gb/month... or people who don't have an internet connection at all
[05:39] <Kyral_Laptop> ...using Linux in general with no Net is painful to begin with
[05:39] <Gloubiboulga> Nafallo, +1
[05:39] <Kyral_Laptop> even for Hackers
[05:40] <Nafallo> you still talked about _netinstall_
[05:40] <slomo> Kyral_Laptop: s/even/only/ probably...
[05:40] <Kyral_Laptop> Yes, I prefer a Netinst
[05:40] <Nafallo> normal users doesn't do that.
[05:40] <Kyral_Laptop> one the ISO is a helluva lot smaller
[05:40] <slomo> it is not... but you could download it somewhere else
[05:41] <Kyral_Laptop> The ISO for NetInsts are almost always smaller
[05:41] <Kyral_Laptop> compare the Debian NetInst image to the normal Debian installer image....there is at least a 300 MB difference
[05:41] <slomo> so what?
[05:41] <Nafallo> they fixed a lot of bugs in the partioner it seems...
[05:42] <Kyral_Laptop> Espresso should have been tested more throughly
[05:42] <thom> Kyral_Laptop: it's irrelevant to 99.9% of our users what your preference is
[05:42] <thom> you're massively off-topic for this channel
[05:42] <Nafallo> Espresso doesn't exist :-)
[05:42] <Kyral_Laptop> whatever...
[05:42] <Kyral_Laptop> and I don't feel like ranting in -devel :P
[05:43] <Kyral_Laptop> Maybe this is why I stopped deving for this project
[06:13] <phanatic> evening
[06:39] <neutrinomass> Why is it neccessary for packages built with debhelper to build-depend on debhelper?
[06:40] <neutrinomass> Oh... of course, because of all the dh_* scripts ....
[06:42] <azeem> :)
[06:43] <LaserJock> azeem: have you ever looked at bkchem?
[06:44] <azeem> uh...
[06:44] <azeem> was I supposed to upload it?
[06:44] <azeem> ah, wait
[06:45] <azeem> LaserJock: this screenshot made me cautious about it: http://bkchem.zirael.org/img/newsnap4-test.png
[06:46] <azeem> LaserJock: Daniel Leidert made packages for it, but I haven't tried it myself
[06:49] <LaserJock> azeem: hmm, the undergrad in my lab said it was the best molecular drawing app he had tried
[06:49] <LaserJock> azeem: and he had tried all the ones Ubuntu shipped
[06:49] <LaserJock> is Leidert going to get any of those packages in Debian? Is there movement there?
[06:50] <azeem> LaserJock: I need to ping him WRT chemicalmime, he said he'd want prepare that for upload
[06:51] <azeem> if bkchem is said to be good, I'll bug him about uploading that as well
[06:53] <LaserJock> azeem: it seems like every time I want to get something, he's got a package but hasn't gotten it into Debian :-)
[06:55] <azeem> yes
[06:55] <azeem> this really needs fixing
[06:56] <azeem> as soon as it is in, we can maintain it as a tea
[06:56] <azeem> m
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:57] <azeem> LaserJock: the relevant date for getting those into Ubuntu would be UniverseFreeze, which is on September 28th, right?
[06:58] <LaserJock> yes
[06:58] <azeem> ok
[06:58] <LaserJock> and both of us can now poke peole about them too ;-)
[06:59] <azeem> if this takes much longer, I'll just import his debian/ trees to the debichem svn, and then do an edgy branch
[06:59] <azeem> and/or just upload to unstable
[06:59] <LaserJock> do you have a list of packages he has that aren't in Debian?
[07:00] <LaserJock> he said that gnome-chem-utils or something was supposed to be updated
[07:04] <LaserJock> hehe, I was just about to pull a "This is not a support channell, please try #ubuntu+1" on elmo ;-)
[07:06] <zul> LaserJock: ill repeat to elmo what you just said ok? :)
[07:09] <LaserJock> zul: go for it ;-)
[07:10] <zul> yeah i dont want to get into trouble just yet :)
[07:10] <azeem> LaserJock: gotta go now
[07:10] <LaserJock> zul: you won't get in trouble :-)
[07:10] <zul> uh huh..
[07:10] <LaserJock> azeem: sure, np. Lets work more on debichem though
[07:33] <plhardy> hi i am new and wanna to help fixing packaging or whatever i can do.
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> hello phlaegel :)
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> oops, sorry phlaegel
[07:46] <Gloubiboulga> hello plhardy :)
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> plhardy, have you already had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs ?
[07:52] <plhardy> there are mainy different pages about many things to do...
[07:52] <Gloubiboulga> that's true
[07:52] <Gloubiboulga> but there's a lot to do too :)
[07:52] <Gloubiboulga> do you have an experience in packaging?
[07:53] <plhardy> what lacks is just a page telling : to start try fixing BUg ZZZ or try packaging WWW where ZZZ and WWW are real things
[07:53] <plhardy> no i have no experience in packaging
[07:54] <plhardy> even if i know a lttile about package content
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> maybe you can start with some merges
[07:55] <plhardy> ok, but with what package in particular (would prefer work on kubuntu packages)
[07:55] <Gloubiboulga> here is the link about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging
[07:56] <Gloubiboulga> let me see if I can find a qt/kde package
[07:57] <Gloubiboulga> tellico and poedit are two good candidates to start IMO
[07:57] <Gloubiboulga> and texmaker
[07:57] <Gloubiboulga> they are all qt/kde packages
[07:58] <Gloubiboulga> oops again, poedit is gtk
[07:58] <plhardy> ok i will pick tellico and see how to start with that
[07:59] <Gloubiboulga> ok, feel free to ask questions here if you need some help :)
[07:59] <plhardy> i think i risk to bother you with many questions... but i have many things to read on wiki meanwhile
[08:03] <Gloubiboulga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing is certainly more helpful than the previous link I gave you
[08:07] <ryanakca> Gloubiboulga: Hey... that clipboard daemon... we're waiting for upstream to change the name from gnome-clipboard-daemon  to clipboard-daemon... after that, crim.sun said he'd upload it.. oh, and I did write that man page for you :)
[08:08] <Gloubiboulga> ryanakca, ok, that sounds good :)
[08:10] <ryanakca> Gloubiboulga: 7 days and counting... he's probably on vacation... I know hasn't dissapeared, because he's a dev for autopackage... but no rush :)
[08:12] <ryanakca> what dependency in debian/control provides http://pastebin.ca/125494 ?
[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> a package with 'kde' and '-dev' in it I guess :)
[08:31] <gnomefreak> has there been any word when nvidia will release the xorg7.1 drivers?
[09:15] <pirast> i have got a problem with pbuilder.. i have a package which depends on a package which i just build. how can i tell pbuilder to install it since it isn't available in the online repos?
[09:44] <welshbyte> right, i've found a package in edgy with a "fails to install" bug which has been fixed in debian unstable... what now?
[09:45] <crimsun> which package?
[09:45] <welshbyte> lastfmsubmitd
[09:45] <crimsun> file a bug against that source package and request a sync from Debian Sid
[09:46] <crimsun> note that it's currently uninstallable in Edgy, which is fixed by the sync, etc.
[09:46] <welshbyte> will do
[09:50] <welshbyte> done
[09:54] <crimsun> u-a subbed.
[09:56] <welshbyte> thanks
[09:58] <ryanakca> is it kdelibs4-dev or kdebase-dev that provides http://pastebin.ca/125494 ?
[09:59] <crimsun> the former iirc, and installing the latter will automatically pull in the former
[10:03] <ryanakca> eh hunh... so... might as well put kdebase-dev in debian/control... solve any other kde dependencies that might come up??
[10:03] <ryanakca> (I think... from what I understand...)
[10:11] <crimsun> kdebase-dev may be overkill, and we prefer minimal build-dependencies
[10:11] <ryanakca> kk
[10:34] <nexu> opersneeded
[10:35] <crimsun> ?
[10:37] <tseng> bot
[10:37] <tseng> looks to be
[10:37] <tseng> or just in a bunch of channels
[10:38] <mc44> er have I missed LaserJock's packaging pedagogy? or was that later
[10:41] <plhardy> Gloubigoulga: well it seems i am not a master of merging :-) process tells to run ../merge-builpackage but  meerge_buildpackage is at root directory...
[10:42] <plhardy> i have to it from inside the extracted sources ?
[10:43] <crimsun> mc44: later.
[10:44] <mc44> crimsun: will it be in this channel?
[10:44] <hub> is it okay to upload a newer version that is still in NEW in the upload queue?
[10:45] <plhardy> crimsum: you have answer on my above question since i followed what you told on irc and that is on wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing
[10:45] <crimsun> mc44: #ubuntu-motu-school.
[10:46] <mc44> crimsun: ah, thanks!
[10:46] <crimsun> plhardy: did you use grab-merge.sh?
[10:46] <plhardy> yes
[10:46] <crimsun> plhardy: then merge-buildpackage is in the directory in which you executed grab-merge.sh
[10:46] <plhardy> exactly
[10:48] <plhardy> then i should cd in a sub directory to call ../merge-buildpackage
[10:49] <crimsun> you need to invoke merge-buildpackage from the root of the extracted, merged source
[11:59] <hub> did mono packaging change in edgy>
[11:59] <hub> ?
[11:59] <hub> like windows.forms.dll
[12:00] <tseng> yes.
[12:00] <hub> so I have a FTBS
[12:00] <hub> and didn't even get a bug filed for it
[12:00] <tseng> "even"?
[12:01] <tseng> i never got a bug for ftbfs
[12:01] <hub> neither
[12:01] <hub> but how can I know it does not build?
[12:01] <tseng> watch the build logs when you upload
[12:02] <hub> it didn't upload it in edgy
[12:02] <hub> that is all the problem
[12:02] <tseng> so its already built
[12:02] <tseng> yes?
[12:03] <tseng> you can complain about the process all you want, can't help you with that
[12:03] <tseng> I imagine you know how to fix it
[12:03] <hub> not yet
[12:03] <hub> I don't know which package I nend
[12:03] <hub> but I have an edgy machine right here
[12:03] <tseng> libmono-winforms1.0-cil - Mono System.Windows.Forms library
[12:03] <tseng> libmono-winforms2.0-cil - Mono System.Windows.Forms library
[12:03] <hub> won't be long
[12:03] <hub> ah ok
[12:04] <tseng> depending on if you are using 2.0 or not
[12:04] <hub> how do I know?
[12:04] <tseng> if you use gmcs
[12:04] <tseng> instead of mcs
[12:04] <hub> ok
[12:06] <hub> rebuilding in chroot
[12:07] <hub> pbuilder I mean