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| ajmitch | rodarvus: here is more on-topic I guess | 05:38 |
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| rodarvus | yup, much better | 05:39 |
| rodarvus | so, go ahead :) | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | what are you wanting helpers for at the moment? mainly bug triage? | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | or handling some of the packages? | 05:39 |
| rodarvus | sure I want :) | 05:40 |
| rodarvus | X.Org maintaintership is a huge task | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | and people hate you if you break things :) | 05:40 |
| rodarvus | and we don't have anyone who is solely responsible for it inside Canonical (or inside the Ubuntu community) | 05:40 |
| rodarvus | we have people that helps, from time to time | 05:41 |
| rodarvus | and people that donate bursts of developer time (which is my case, currently) | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | right | 05:41 |
| rodarvus | I won't be able to keep spending so much time on X, in the future | 05:41 |
| rodarvus | so, resuming - yes, we are always looking for people interested in helping :) | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | I got asked today to come back to my old job in a slightly different capacity, maybe part-time | 05:41 |
| ajmitch | so I'll have a couple of days free a week I think | 05:42 |
| rodarvus | bug triaging is a good start, testing, and trying to fix problems on drivers is also very valuable | 05:42 |
| rodarvus | you are already on ubuntu-core-dev, which is extremely helpful | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | yep | 05:42 |
| rodarvus | (meaning you'll be able to upload most/all X packages, when you feel confident to do so) | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | I just need to dive into the bugs | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | of which there are a few | 05:42 |
| rodarvus | I'm surely available to help, when/if you have questions | 05:43 |
| rodarvus | as are the other developers on the team | 05:43 |
| rodarvus | nice | 05:43 |
| ajmitch | you're keeping fairly close to the debian packages now? | 05:43 |
| rodarvus | we are in great need of bug fixers :) | 05:43 |
| rodarvus | yes, quite close | 05:43 |
| rodarvus | a few weeks ago I updated most packages to new upstream releases | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | ok, I'll try & set aside some time in coming weeks :) | 05:44 |
| rodarvus | but the are catching up to us :) | 05:44 |
| rodarvus | now we don't need to release new upstream releases | 05:44 |
| rodarvus | but we need to fix bugs | 05:44 |
| rodarvus | there are two places were bug fixing is needed more: | 05:45 |
| rodarvus | - xorg-server (the server itself) | 05:45 |
| rodarvus | - video drivers: mostly ati, i810 and nv | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | I'm learning the ways of git | 05:45 |
| rodarvus | fglrx and nvidia are used a lot, of course, but are closed source, so not really relevant wrt bug fixing | 05:45 |
| === ajmitch has nvidia & i810 hardware here, but most bugs will probably be specific to some models | ||
| rodarvus | ajmitch: exactly, this is one good way to start your search: gitweb.freedesktop.org (most, if not all, relevant source trees are there) | 05:46 |
| rodarvus | and of course, the freedesktop.org bugzilla | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I was using that for the xgl & compiz stuff | 05:47 |
| rodarvus | which sometimes contains info about bugs we are finding here | 05:47 |
| rodarvus | ajmitch: if you are looking for a place to start, I'd suggest: | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | so I've already ended up with some of the X stuff | 05:47 |
| rodarvus | 1. subscribing to ubuntu-x-swat on LaunchPad, so you are notified of updates on bugs | 05:47 |
| rodarvus | 2. triaging all 'xorg' bugs | 05:47 |
| rodarvus | 'xorg' bugs are mostly untriaged bugs, on LaunchPad | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | nice, 123 bugs | 05:48 |
| rodarvus | yup :) | 05:49 |
| rodarvus | most of them, as I said, untriaged | 05:49 |
| rodarvus | surely at least a few duplicates | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | yep, a few I recognise | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | thanks, I'll probably get into this in a week or so | 05:51 |
| === ajmitch has a bit to get finished before feature freeze | ||
| rodarvus | ajmitch: good luck, and have fun! | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 05:52 |
| rodarvus | don't hesitate asking on this channel when you have questions :) | 05:52 |
| rodarvus | (or looking for me in a /msg window) | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | sure :) | 05:52 |
| rodarvus | anyhow, I need to get some sleep :) | 05:53 |
| rodarvus | have a good night (or day) | 05:53 |
| rodarvus | :) | 05:53 |
| crimsun | rodarvus: if you don't mind I'd like to fix xfonts-utils, since currently its binary provides a bdftopcf executable that is currently installable from the bdftopcf package. So we'll need to get ubuntu-archive to remove the bdftopcf source package. | 05:53 |
| rodarvus | crimsun: agreed, go ahead | 05:54 |
| crimsun | thanks | 05:54 |
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| ajmitch | rodarvus: so do we want to merge i810 driver from debian? I'm testing on the laptop here | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | 1.6.4 is out & adds a large chunk of code | 12:36 |
| rodarvus | ajmitch, debian has 1.6.3 (or had, at least until 12 hours ago) | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | no longer | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | I grabbed 1.6.4 from incoming | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | ajmitch, yes, it is my plan to update driver version | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | saw the upstream release, debian had packages only a few hours later | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | the 'mergedfb' branch was merged into the -intel tree on 1.6.2 | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | i965 support is the major feature of 1.6.4 | 12:38 |
| rodarvus | this is a rather large change, that makes the driver recognize more boards, and work better on other boards too | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | UVF exceptions need to be granted for each package? | 12:39 |
| rodarvus | yes | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | they were granted for me for the whole of X.Org 7.1 | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | ok | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | but as 7.1 was completed last week | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | they need to be granted again | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | ajmitch, I'll upload the new version (doing it now) | 01:06 |
| rodarvus | UVF exception was given | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | ok | 01:07 |
| === ajmitch wasn't trying to chase you to do it, was looking to see what conflicts/replaces, etc could be kept from debian | ||
| rodarvus | actually, I was asked by mdz to do it | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | makes sense :) | 01:09 |
| rodarvus | (he lives in the US, and as soon as he saw the announcement from Intel, he asked me to update our i810 driver) | 01:09 |
| rodarvus | ajmitch, http://intelinuxgraphics.org/ | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | yes, I saw that also | 01:10 |
| === ajmitch saw the announcement on the xorg mailing list | ||
| === rodarvus haven't had time to read his emails yet | ||
| rodarvus | early early morning here :) | 01:13 |
| === ajmitch is looking forward to maybe having nouveau drivers in edgy+2 :) | ||
| rodarvus | +2 :) | 01:15 |
| rodarvus | thats 1.3 years from now! | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | I don't know how far they'll be in 8 months or so | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | basically dumping registers & FIFO data on nvidia cards to write a free driver | 01:16 |
| rodarvus | xserver-xorg-video-i810_1.6.4-0ubuntu1 uploaded | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | yay | 01:57 |
| rodarvus | xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu5 uploaded | 02:11 |
| rodarvus | let the b0rkage begin | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | it's edgy after all | 02:14 |
| rodarvus | I like this name | 02:16 |
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| crimsun | this is messy | 10:26 |
| crimsun | even x11-common is using the new xfonts-utils (due to calling update-fonts-dir with --x11r7-layout) | 10:28 |
| crimsun | we probably need to remove the xfonts-core source package from the archive | 10:32 |
| crimsun | (for starters) | 10:32 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 10:40 |
| crimsun | we probably need Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) in each of xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable} | 10:42 |
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| crimsun | rodarvus: hi, you weren't present unfortunately, but I was musing over bug 54809 | 11:15 |
| crimsun | do you think it's wise to have xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable} Depend on xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3)? | 11:16 |
| crimsun | [originally I thought a Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) is necessary] | 11:17 |
| crimsun | sorry, need to drive to a meeting now, will check backscroll. | 11:18 |
| rodarvus | crimsun: no, pre-depends must be used quite sparingly | 11:20 |
| rodarvus | we can use the new Breaks: field | 11:20 |
| rodarvus | hmm, | 11:21 |
| rodarvus | no | 11:21 |
| rodarvus | . o O ( that was stupid of me ) | 11:21 |
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