=== rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x [05:38] rodarvus: here is more on-topic I guess [05:39] yup, much better [05:39] so, go ahead :) [05:39] what are you wanting helpers for at the moment? mainly bug triage? [05:39] or handling some of the packages? [05:40] sure I want :) [05:40] X.Org maintaintership is a huge task [05:40] and people hate you if you break things :) [05:40] and we don't have anyone who is solely responsible for it inside Canonical (or inside the Ubuntu community) [05:41] we have people that helps, from time to time [05:41] and people that donate bursts of developer time (which is my case, currently) [05:41] right [05:41] I won't be able to keep spending so much time on X, in the future [05:41] so, resuming - yes, we are always looking for people interested in helping :) [05:41] I got asked today to come back to my old job in a slightly different capacity, maybe part-time [05:42] so I'll have a couple of days free a week I think [05:42] bug triaging is a good start, testing, and trying to fix problems on drivers is also very valuable [05:42] you are already on ubuntu-core-dev, which is extremely helpful [05:42] yep [05:42] (meaning you'll be able to upload most/all X packages, when you feel confident to do so) [05:42] I just need to dive into the bugs [05:42] of which there are a few [05:43] I'm surely available to help, when/if you have questions [05:43] as are the other developers on the team [05:43] nice [05:43] you're keeping fairly close to the debian packages now? [05:43] we are in great need of bug fixers :) [05:43] yes, quite close [05:44] a few weeks ago I updated most packages to new upstream releases [05:44] ok, I'll try & set aside some time in coming weeks :) [05:44] but the are catching up to us :) [05:44] now we don't need to release new upstream releases [05:44] but we need to fix bugs [05:45] there are two places were bug fixing is needed more: [05:45] - xorg-server (the server itself) [05:45] - video drivers: mostly ati, i810 and nv [05:45] I'm learning the ways of git [05:45] fglrx and nvidia are used a lot, of course, but are closed source, so not really relevant wrt bug fixing === ajmitch has nvidia & i810 hardware here, but most bugs will probably be specific to some models [05:46] ajmitch: exactly, this is one good way to start your search: gitweb.freedesktop.org (most, if not all, relevant source trees are there) [05:47] and of course, the freedesktop.org bugzilla [05:47] yeah, I was using that for the xgl & compiz stuff [05:47] which sometimes contains info about bugs we are finding here [05:47] ajmitch: if you are looking for a place to start, I'd suggest: [05:47] so I've already ended up with some of the X stuff [05:47] 1. subscribing to ubuntu-x-swat on LaunchPad, so you are notified of updates on bugs [05:47] 2. triaging all 'xorg' bugs [05:47] 'xorg' bugs are mostly untriaged bugs, on LaunchPad [05:48] nice, 123 bugs [05:49] yup :) [05:49] most of them, as I said, untriaged [05:49] surely at least a few duplicates [05:50] yep, a few I recognise [05:51] thanks, I'll probably get into this in a week or so === ajmitch has a bit to get finished before feature freeze [05:52] ajmitch: good luck, and have fun! [05:52] thanks [05:52] don't hesitate asking on this channel when you have questions :) [05:52] (or looking for me in a /msg window) [05:52] sure :) [05:53] anyhow, I need to get some sleep :) [05:53] have a good night (or day) [05:53] :) [05:53] rodarvus: if you don't mind I'd like to fix xfonts-utils, since currently its binary provides a bdftopcf executable that is currently installable from the bdftopcf package. So we'll need to get ubuntu-archive to remove the bdftopcf source package. [05:54] crimsun: agreed, go ahead [05:54] thanks === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-x.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-x === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x [12:36] rodarvus: so do we want to merge i810 driver from debian? I'm testing on the laptop here [12:36] 1.6.4 is out & adds a large chunk of code [12:37] ajmitch, debian has 1.6.3 (or had, at least until 12 hours ago) [12:38] no longer [12:38] I grabbed 1.6.4 from incoming [12:38] ajmitch, yes, it is my plan to update driver version [12:38] saw the upstream release, debian had packages only a few hours later [12:38] the 'mergedfb' branch was merged into the -intel tree on 1.6.2 [12:38] i965 support is the major feature of 1.6.4 [12:39] this is a rather large change, that makes the driver recognize more boards, and work better on other boards too [12:39] UVF exceptions need to be granted for each package? [12:40] yes [12:40] they were granted for me for the whole of X.Org 7.1 [12:40] ok [12:40] but as 7.1 was completed last week [12:40] they need to be granted again [01:06] ajmitch, I'll upload the new version (doing it now) [01:06] UVF exception was given [01:07] ok === ajmitch wasn't trying to chase you to do it, was looking to see what conflicts/replaces, etc could be kept from debian [01:09] actually, I was asked by mdz to do it [01:09] makes sense :) [01:09] (he lives in the US, and as soon as he saw the announcement from Intel, he asked me to update our i810 driver) [01:10] ajmitch, http://intelinuxgraphics.org/ [01:10] yes, I saw that also === ajmitch saw the announcement on the xorg mailing list === rodarvus haven't had time to read his emails yet [01:13] early early morning here :) === ajmitch is looking forward to maybe having nouveau drivers in edgy+2 :) [01:15] +2 :) [01:15] thats 1.3 years from now! [01:16] I don't know how far they'll be in 8 months or so [01:16] basically dumping registers & FIFO data on nvidia cards to write a free driver [01:52] xserver-xorg-video-i810_1.6.4-0ubuntu1 uploaded [01:57] yay [02:11] xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu5 uploaded [02:11] let the b0rkage begin [02:14] it's edgy after all [02:16] I like this name === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@200.146.73.202.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-x === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x [10:26] this is messy [10:28] even x11-common is using the new xfonts-utils (due to calling update-fonts-dir with --x11r7-layout) [10:32] we probably need to remove the xfonts-core source package from the archive [10:32] (for starters) [10:40] hmm. [10:42] we probably need Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) in each of xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable} === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-x [11:15] rodarvus: hi, you weren't present unfortunately, but I was musing over bug 54809 [11:16] do you think it's wise to have xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable} Depend on xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3)? [11:17] [originally I thought a Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) is necessary] [11:18] sorry, need to drive to a meeting now, will check backscroll. [11:20] crimsun: no, pre-depends must be used quite sparingly [11:20] we can use the new Breaks: field [11:21] hmm, [11:21] no [11:21] . o O ( that was stupid of me )