[05:38] <ajmitch> rodarvus: here is more on-topic I guess
[05:39] <rodarvus> yup, much better
[05:39] <rodarvus> so, go ahead :)
[05:39] <ajmitch> what are you wanting helpers for at the moment? mainly bug triage?
[05:39] <ajmitch> or handling some of the packages?
[05:40] <rodarvus> sure I want :)
[05:40] <rodarvus> X.Org maintaintership is a huge task
[05:40] <ajmitch> and people hate you if you break things :)
[05:40] <rodarvus> and we don't have anyone who is solely responsible for it inside Canonical (or inside the Ubuntu community)
[05:41] <rodarvus> we have people that helps, from time to time
[05:41] <rodarvus> and people that donate bursts of developer time (which is my case, currently)
[05:41] <ajmitch> right
[05:41] <rodarvus> I won't be able to keep spending so much time on X, in the future
[05:41] <rodarvus> so, resuming - yes, we are always looking for people interested in helping :)
[05:41] <ajmitch> I got asked today to come back to my old job in a slightly different capacity, maybe part-time
[05:42] <ajmitch> so I'll have a couple of days free a week I think
[05:42] <rodarvus> bug triaging is a good start, testing, and trying to fix problems on drivers is also very valuable
[05:42] <rodarvus> you are already on ubuntu-core-dev, which is extremely helpful
[05:42] <ajmitch> yep
[05:42] <rodarvus> (meaning you'll be able to upload most/all X packages, when you feel confident to do so)
[05:42] <ajmitch> I just need to dive into the bugs
[05:42] <ajmitch> of which there are a few
[05:43] <rodarvus> I'm surely available to help, when/if you have questions
[05:43] <rodarvus> as are the other developers on the team
[05:43] <rodarvus> nice
[05:43] <ajmitch> you're keeping fairly close to the debian packages now?
[05:43] <rodarvus> we are in great need of bug fixers :)
[05:43] <rodarvus> yes, quite close
[05:44] <rodarvus> a few weeks ago I updated most packages to new upstream releases
[05:44] <ajmitch> ok, I'll try & set aside some time in coming weeks :)
[05:44] <rodarvus> but the are catching up to us :)
[05:44] <rodarvus> now we don't need to release new upstream releases
[05:44] <rodarvus> but we need to fix bugs
[05:45] <rodarvus> there are two places were bug fixing is needed more:
[05:45] <rodarvus> - xorg-server (the server itself)
[05:45] <rodarvus> - video drivers: mostly ati, i810 and nv
[05:45] <ajmitch> I'm learning the ways of git
[05:45] <rodarvus> fglrx and nvidia are used a lot, of course, but are closed source, so not really relevant wrt bug fixing
[05:46] <rodarvus> ajmitch: exactly, this is one good way to start your search: gitweb.freedesktop.org (most, if not all, relevant source trees are there)
[05:47] <rodarvus> and of course, the freedesktop.org bugzilla
[05:47] <ajmitch> yeah, I was using that for the xgl & compiz stuff
[05:47] <rodarvus> which sometimes contains info about bugs we are finding here
[05:47] <rodarvus> ajmitch: if you are looking for a place to start, I'd suggest:
[05:47] <ajmitch> so I've already ended up with some of the X stuff 
[05:47] <rodarvus> 1. subscribing to ubuntu-x-swat on LaunchPad, so you are notified of updates on bugs
[05:47] <rodarvus> 2. triaging all 'xorg' bugs
[05:47] <rodarvus> 'xorg' bugs are mostly untriaged bugs, on LaunchPad
[05:48] <ajmitch> nice, 123 bugs
[05:49] <rodarvus> yup :)
[05:49] <rodarvus> most of them, as I said, untriaged
[05:49] <rodarvus> surely at least a few duplicates
[05:50] <ajmitch> yep, a few I recognise
[05:51] <ajmitch> thanks, I'll probably get into this in a week or so
[05:52] <rodarvus> ajmitch: good luck, and have fun!
[05:52] <ajmitch> thanks
[05:52] <rodarvus> don't hesitate asking on this channel when you have questions :)
[05:52] <rodarvus> (or looking for me in a /msg window)
[05:52] <ajmitch> sure :)
[05:53] <rodarvus> anyhow, I need to get some sleep :)
[05:53] <rodarvus> have a good night (or day)
[05:53] <rodarvus> :)
[05:53] <crimsun> rodarvus: if you don't mind I'd like to fix xfonts-utils, since currently its binary provides a bdftopcf executable that is currently installable from the bdftopcf package. So we'll need to get ubuntu-archive to remove the bdftopcf source package.
[05:54] <rodarvus> crimsun: agreed, go ahead
[05:54] <crimsun> thanks
[12:36] <ajmitch> rodarvus: so do we want to merge i810 driver from debian? I'm testing on the laptop here
[12:36] <ajmitch> 1.6.4 is out & adds a large chunk of code
[12:37] <rodarvus> ajmitch, debian has 1.6.3 (or had, at least until 12 hours ago)
[12:38] <ajmitch> no longer
[12:38] <ajmitch> I grabbed 1.6.4 from incoming
[12:38] <rodarvus> ajmitch, yes, it is my plan to update driver version
[12:38] <ajmitch> saw the upstream release, debian had packages only a few hours later
[12:38] <rodarvus> the 'mergedfb' branch was merged into the -intel tree on 1.6.2
[12:38] <ajmitch> i965 support is the major feature of 1.6.4
[12:39] <rodarvus> this is a rather large change, that makes the driver recognize more boards, and work better on other boards too
[12:39] <ajmitch> UVF exceptions need to be granted for each package?
[12:40] <rodarvus> yes
[12:40] <rodarvus> they were granted for me for the whole of X.Org 7.1
[12:40] <ajmitch> ok
[12:40] <rodarvus> but as 7.1 was completed last week
[12:40] <rodarvus> they need to be granted again
[01:06] <rodarvus> ajmitch, I'll upload the new version (doing it now)
[01:06] <rodarvus> UVF exception was given
[01:07] <ajmitch> ok
[01:09] <rodarvus> actually, I was asked by mdz to do it
[01:09] <ajmitch> makes sense :)
[01:09] <rodarvus> (he lives in the US, and as soon as he saw the announcement from Intel, he asked me to update our i810 driver)
[01:10] <rodarvus> ajmitch, http://intelinuxgraphics.org/
[01:10] <ajmitch> yes, I saw that also
[01:13] <rodarvus> early early morning here :)
[01:15] <rodarvus> +2 :)
[01:15] <rodarvus> thats 1.3 years from now!
[01:16] <ajmitch> I don't know how far they'll be in 8 months or so
[01:16] <ajmitch> basically dumping registers & FIFO data on nvidia cards to write a free driver
[01:52] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-video-i810_1.6.4-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[01:57] <ajmitch> yay
[02:11] <rodarvus> xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu5 uploaded
[02:11] <rodarvus> let the b0rkage begin
[02:14] <ajmitch> it's edgy after all
[02:16] <rodarvus> I like this name
[10:26] <crimsun> this is messy
[10:28] <crimsun> even x11-common is using the new xfonts-utils (due to calling update-fonts-dir with --x11r7-layout)
[10:32] <crimsun> we probably need to remove the xfonts-core source package from the archive
[10:32] <crimsun> (for starters)
[10:40] <crimsun> hmm.
[10:42] <crimsun> we probably need Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) in each of xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable}
[11:15] <crimsun> rodarvus: hi, you weren't present unfortunately, but I was musing over bug 54809
[11:16] <crimsun> do you think it's wise to have xfonts-{100dpi,75dpi,base,scalable} Depend on xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3)?
[11:17] <crimsun> [originally I thought a Pre-Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1.0.0-6ubuntu3) is necessary] 
[11:18] <crimsun> sorry, need to drive to a meeting now, will check backscroll.
[11:20] <rodarvus> crimsun: no, pre-depends must be used quite sparingly
[11:20] <rodarvus> we can use the new Breaks: field
[11:21] <rodarvus> hmm,
[11:21] <rodarvus> no
[11:21] <rodarvus> . o O ( that was stupid of me )