=== nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === maccam94 [n=maccam94@pool-72-85-130-129.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:58] hi, are there utilities in edubuntu to perform large-scale deployments and do administration over the network? [01:01] maccam94, in what sense? if you are using LTSP, you only need to install the software on the server [01:02] Burgwork: and then what? My school has 700 desktop computers, all the exact same hardware. Replacing XP with Ubuntu might help with the virus and security issues. [01:02] How would such a setup work? [01:02] Do you mean you install Edubuntu to a server and then all of the desktops become thin clients? [01:02] yes [01:02] you would need quite a few clients [01:03] s/clients/servers [01:03] How much of a load is that on the network? [01:03] a fair amount [01:03] you could also install fat clients on your machines, using kickstart you can set up automated installations === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu [01:03] it is not that easy, but you can hook up Edubuntu to an LDAP server for authentication (by not that easy, I mean it is not turn key) [01:03] How does a fat client work? [01:04] fat client is what you have now [01:04] I was thinking of possibly having Edubuntu installed on the machines but having the /home directory on a server. [01:04] that is pretty easy [01:04] then you need nfs mount home directories [01:04] But then updates must still be applied regularly [01:05] yep, but tath you can set up a cron job for [01:05] setup your machines to talk to a local package repo, and sync that repo to the ubuntu ones, to keep bandwidth down [01:05] is there an easy way to deploy edubuntu to a lot of machines at once? [01:07] yes, via net install [01:08] is there a link you could give me that shows how that process works? screenshots or command lists or something? [01:08] http://halisway.blogspot.com/2006/06/ubuntu-dapper-pxe-network-install.html [01:09] sadly there is no really easy way [01:09] this is something should be worked on [01:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates <-- this is the plan for network wide updates [01:10] need a plan, however [01:11] an implementation, rather === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] well, it's looking good to me [01:13] 2 [01:13] Whoops [01:13] Heya folks [01:13] i was worried that this wasn't going to be the focus of edubuntu (i was wondering if it was kind of child's linux os) [01:14] the only other thing i'm thinking about is initial application configuration, such as preset OOo preferences and removing the little kid games (thinking about setting this up in a high school) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:15] I think you can do that with kickstart, but don't quote me on it [01:15] what's kickstart? link? [01:15] edubuntu is very much aimed at what you are doing, maccam94 [01:16] kickstart a RH technology to tell the installer what you want [01:16] it allows you to preseed user accounts, etc. [01:17] ok, and is that on the edubuntu install cd? [01:18] Burgwork: isn't it called OEM mode? [01:18] lucasvo, that is different [01:18] maccam94, yes [01:19] is there a wiki or guide that outlines ways to setup enterprise edubuntu? [01:20] not really [01:21] I would just create a user, edit the menu and copy the config into /etc/skel [01:21] lucasvo, that has serious scalablity issues [01:21] Burgwork: yes... [01:23] hmm, well maybe i'll see if i can get a lab of computers to test this out on... [01:23] he is talking 700 clients [01:23] I would do that [01:23] maccam94: are they all identically? [01:23] they are all identical machines [01:23] why not a disk image? [01:23] how are those deployed? [01:24] I never did it before. Let me search for a doc in google [01:24] and would it be easier to deploy a disk image to 700 machines or do an pxe install? [01:25] pxe install is more sane [01:25] disk images suck [01:25] maccam94: pxe would be much better [01:25] deployment, updates, and preseeding are the major concerns. [01:25] i know the machines support pxe [01:26] if they support pxe, you are laughing [01:26] ? [01:26] sorry i'm not really familiar with what it is, i've merely seen it in the boot order options [01:27] (i may be an assistant to the IT admin this year, and i'm coming up with suggestions for improvements) [01:27] pxe allows booting from teh network [01:27] right [01:27] it also means, when you machines get old, you can turn them into thin clients [01:27] ok [01:27] hopefully the school's network will have more bandwidth by then [01:27] haha [01:28] in other words, by switching to Edubuntu, you may have just saved your school thousands of dollars [01:28] servers can be distributed throughout the school [01:28] yeah, i've just got to sell the idea [01:28] the guy's got XP on all the machines, and a windows server [01:28] maccam94: with the thin client [01:28] of course there's all sorts of problems [01:28] maccam94: well, one server isn't enough for 700 clients, but it's a start :) [01:29] viruses, annoying restrictions, network crashing [01:29] maccam94: set up an edubuntu ltsp testlab and begin convincing the headmaster [01:30] maccam94: thin clients is the way to go. much better load balancing throughout the network [01:30] if the /home directory could be on the central server (configured with FTP too) that would be a huge improvement [01:30] maccam94, how new are the machines? [01:30] lucasvo: there's 700 computers [01:30] a year to two years old [01:30] then go fat client with nfs homse [01:30] yeah [01:30] it is insane to go thin client with such new hardware [01:30] yeah [01:30] maccam94: what are the specs? [01:30] Burgwork: without something like openmosix it is indeed [01:30] the network crashes in its current state, no sense putting unneccessary load on it [01:31] maccam94: invest in new network hardware [01:31] 1.8GHz intels, 20gig hds, integrated graphics [01:31] all hp/compaq [01:31] thats indeed much to much for thin clients [01:32] maccam94: I wouldn't want my files be accessible over ftp [01:32] it is *very* insecure [01:32] SFTP or webdavs is much better [01:33] i just have to show how much easier it is to manage such a setup, demonstrate that there aren't compatibility issues, and show how it can save money and time. this guy has probably been a windows user for life, so i just have to show him how much better the alternative is [01:33] lucasvo: well i mean something of the sort, because right now every computer has a space on the hd for documents, and it's only accessible on that machine [01:33] which guy? your IT guy? [01:33] yeah [01:34] maccam94: yes, you want either samba or nfs [01:34] maccam94: are you a student? [01:34] yes, but i'm also a teacher assistant and he said I could assist him next year [01:34] lucasvo: i meant (s)ftp for home access. an improvement ;-) === lucasvo didn't succeed in making his school use edubuntu. they have g5 macs which work all the time. it would be not much improvement [01:35] on the internal network they'd be set up for nfs [01:35] maccam94: yes, you want sftp :) [01:35] well they already have a decent setup [01:35] ftp is like unencrypted email [01:35] my school has 700 XP Pro computers [01:35] maccam94: exactly [01:35] and it must be living hell for the sys admin [01:36] well, dinner. thanks for the great info Burgwork and lucasvo === maccam94 goes to eat [01:36] maccam94: if you're at it, setup ldap :) [01:36] maccam94: good luck! [01:36] bye [01:36] maccam94, good luck === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === maccam94 is back [02:23] one other idea: is there any way to get in touch with (a) school(s) that have switched? [02:25] maccam94, yes, sort of [02:25] highvoltage, who hasn't been here much recently, was involved in the tuxlabs project [02:25] he deployed huge numbers of tuxlabs, which are based on edubuntu [02:26] hmm === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:22] hi rodarvus === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [04:23] hello ajmitch [04:24] I see we may have a new X maintainer soon anyway [04:24] or at least it's advertised :) [04:24] ? [04:25] Amaranth: more jobs advertised [04:25] ah [04:25] expanding :) [04:26] again [04:26] so, i, uh, need to have my debit card taken away [04:26] what have you been buying? [04:26] i spent $400 on clothes today :P [04:26] ouch [04:26] i mean, i needed them, so it's good [04:26] hard to find clothes your size? :) [04:26] all i had were blue jean pants and shorts [04:26] yeah, i had to shop online [04:27] http://www.casualmale.com/ <--great site [04:28] shoes and pants are _really_ hard to find :P === ajmitch is happy being a nice short 6'1" [04:29] heh [04:29] i'm 6'6" or 6'7", depending on when you measure :P [04:30] Amaranth: can you dunk? :) [04:30] nope [04:30] :P [04:30] i can't jump :P [04:31] :) === bimberi is 6'4" and used to be able to dunk. That was a few years ago. [04:58] wow === jsgotangco is only 5'4 1/2" [05:02] ajmitch: indeed, we are looking for a X maintainer (amongst other jobs, too) [05:03] rodarvus: can't do it anymore? [05:04] actually, we have always been looking for a X maintainer, since daniels left Canonical [05:04] the reason why I was hired is not to maintain X :) [05:04] (but OLPC, Edubuntu, etc) [05:05] jsgotangco: I'll have to dedicate less time to X in the next few weeks/ months, anyway [05:05] I have other responsabilities [05:05] and it is basically working, by now [05:06] there are known bugs, but this is supposed to be team work (i.e., other people on the ubuntu community, and inside canonical need/will step up to help) [05:06] such as ajmitch :) [05:06] rodarvus: understood after all you were supposed to focus on certain work [05:06] so ajmitch is a possible xorg overlord? [05:07] we shouldn't have an overlord [05:07] (imho) [05:07] we should have many developers interested on X [05:07] we dont have a lot [05:07] thats why I said "should" :) [05:08] if people weren't so afraid of it you would probably get more [05:08] jsgotangco: thats why we are looking for a person to be hired full time, just to work on X [05:08] nobody wants the be the guy who broke X [05:08] well, I don't really care [05:08] (about breaking X) [05:08] this is a development version [05:08] yeah well look at daniels [05:08] and I've done worse than that on other jobs :P [05:09] jsgotangco: I'm unlikely to be your new X overload [05:09] not nearly enough experience breaking X [05:09] maintaining X alone is a rather huge job, full time stuff [05:09] s/load/lord/ [05:09] but we *really* can use work of developers such as ajmitch, interested in helping [05:09] jsgotangco: or triaging bugs, as you [05:10] yeah, it would be good to have an X team lead and then lots of people working on it [05:10] LaserJock: exactly [05:10] i wish i could do a lot of it just not enough in-depth knowledge === ajmitch was interested as being one of the helpers [05:10] X is hard for just one person - one developer can not have two dozen video boards on his desk === ajmitch has about 4 or 5 [05:10] yeah [05:10] 6-8 developers spending little time caring for their boards can [05:11] I think maybe 3 different chipsets that might go [05:11] even that is not enough [05:11] it's not like anyone cares about i740 these days, for example :) [05:11] I have one nvidia, one i810 and one ati [05:11] but its far from a "complete" collection [05:12] I don't think we could expect someone to be able to care for them all like that, even if they had the hardware [05:12] its very sensitive work really [05:12] there are more than 10 different boards, with different bugs, just for i810 [05:12] probably more than 20 for nvidia [05:12] likewise for ati === ajmitch might apply anyway, to see what the reaction is :) [05:13] ajmitch: apply to what, you mean? [05:13] helping X, or to the X maintainership job? [05:13] the X maintainership [05:13] oh [05:13] hail! [05:13] though I really doubt I could :) [05:14] to be sincere to you, Canonical is looking for someone with plenty of experience on upstream development (someone able to fix & commit code to the X.Org git repository, etc) [05:14] Oh pshaw ajmitch [05:14] ajmitch: but I don't want to discourage you, please go for it! [05:14] rodarvus: that's what I expected [05:15] why does C need a kernel maintainer? help BenC? [05:15] plus I'd have to drop other things I'm interested in [05:15] jsgotangco: multiple maintainers [05:15] exactly [05:15] right [05:15] ajmitch: Would you mind checking my upload to REVU? I haven't done one in ages [05:15] bddebian: -> -motu [05:16] (well, we should be discussing this on -x too :) ) [05:16] sure :) [05:16] I didn't want to drag it any further offtopic :) [05:20] :) [05:20] I need to go sleep, quite late here [05:20] good night! [05:20] night rodarvus === maccam94 [n=maccam94@pool-72-85-130-129.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === horrork [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:14] I can't find sl-modem-daemon in synaptic [06:14] Where did it go? [06:15] multiverse is enabled. [06:15] !info sl-modem-daemon [06:15] sl-modem-daemon: SmartLink software modem daemon. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5build1 (dapper), package size 496 kB, installed size 1136 kB (Only available for i386) [06:15] horrork: i386? [06:15] Umm [06:15] x86 I guess? [06:16] horrork: 'uname -r' in a terminal will confirm [06:17] 2.6.15-26-386 [06:17] So what's going on? [06:17] put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on a pastebin ... [06:17] !pastebin [06:17] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [06:17] I was following this tutorial on ubuntu it said to install sl-modem-daemon package [06:18] Ok [06:19] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20246 [06:19] I enabled them in synaptic, I think... [06:20] right [06:20] Do I have to update the tree or something? [06:20] you have multiverse enabled just for dapper-backports [06:20] ?? [06:20] it needs to be enabled for dapper [06:20] Really? [06:20] yes [06:21] ok, multiverse is only enabled for dapper-backports. You also need to enable it for other repositories by adding it to any other line with "universe" on it [06:21] That can't be done in synaptic! [06:21] Ok [06:21] yes it can ... sec [06:21] So which line do I change? [06:21] bimberi, in synaptic, are you sure? [06:22] I checked everything in synaptic... I think that's all one can do without manually editing source.lst [06:23] horrork: yes, if you click "Edit" on any repos with Universe do you have an option to choose "Multiverse"? If not, click on "Custom" and put multiverse after universe [06:23] :o [06:24] So exactly which one do I need? [06:24] hehe, alternatively you can edit the sources.list file directly [06:24] Yea but you can't expect a beginner to do that right? [06:24] sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list [06:24] No I want to do it in synaptic. [06:24] k :) [06:24] Which one do I add multiverse to it? [06:25] Its got like whole heap of them [06:25] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Binary) - where the 2nd line has "Community Maintained (Universe)" [06:26] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Security Updates (Binary) - where the 2nd line has "Community Maintained (Universe)" === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:26] Both of them? [06:26] Ok [06:26] Thanks [06:26] ogra: ping [06:27] Umm [06:27] I think this is just not good enough. [06:27] The official howTo just says multiverse [06:27] A total beginner will get really lost. [06:28] Like me... :( [06:28] horrork: Having a problem? [06:28] Yea, it is solved now. :D [06:28] horrork: i find it hard to disagree, i think there should be at least a commented-out multiverse line for the other repos in the default sources.list [06:29] ... so that it will appear in the list for us to just enable [06:29] are you editing the file directly? [06:29] I think it would be better if the tute can be more specify [06:29] If so, why not use the gui-method. [06:30] Or if there is really an option that just enables multiverse for everything just for onces. [06:30] System->Administration->Software Properties [06:30] Yea Ive done that [06:31] If I uncheck multiverse now... will it automatically uninstall sl-modem next time the auto update thing runs? [06:31] No, it shouldn't. [06:34] !seen ogra [06:34] ogra is on IRC right now! [06:34] !last ogra [06:34] I know nothing about last ogra - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu [06:34] just to clarify, a commented out line in sources.list will mean that it will appear in the list in Synaptic and Software Properties and be enable-able [06:34] !seen ogra [06:34] ogra is on IRC right now! [06:34] :) [06:35] Heh, the bot in my normal channel that I run, seen tells me the last thing the person said, and at what time. [06:36] if Seveas was online i'd do a "Seveas ^^^^^" under that (it's his bot) === caravena [n=caravena@165-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === horrork [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:58] Ok... [06:58] Does anyone know how to use dial up modem?? [06:58] I installed the driver but it doesn't dials?? [06:59] pppconfig [06:59] Is there a GUI thing that I can use? [06:59] I already have setup the password and everything in network tools [07:01] horrork: What kind of modem is it? [07:02] sl-modem I think... [07:02] linmodem/winmodem [07:03] Don't know anything about winmodems. I know they need some "special" stuff to make them work since they're not a "real" modem. [07:03] The howto just says install the driver then dial [07:03] BUt how??? [07:03] THe drive should be installed. [07:03] Which howto are you looking at> [07:03] ? [07:04] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto [07:05] Is it a USB modem? [07:05] No [07:05] It is a built in modem. [07:05] To my laptop. [07:06] OK, what kind of laptop do you have? [07:07] What make/model is it? [07:08] horrork: What make/model is it? [07:08] HP [07:08] Pavilion [07:09] dv4000 [07:09] dv4017AP to be exact [07:10] Ok gotta reboot [07:10] brb === horrork [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] [07:10] sigh, gone before I could reply. [07:11] ogra: hey dude! 7:00!!! Get up already and answer my pings!!! :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:19] Whelp, heading to bed. [07:19] Night, all === horrork [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:20] I got it dialing!!! [07:20] So the driver works [07:20] But still no internet... [07:21] THe network monitor say that I have IP. [07:21] But modem monitor say it is not connected [07:21] And there is no internet access === horror1 [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:33] So... [07:33] Can anyone help me with modem please? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [07:36] horror1: i can't really help sorry. As this is not really an edubuntu specific issue you could try the #ubuntu channel, which has ~770 nicks in it atm. [07:37] I am posting a thread on the fourms now [07:37] Thanks for trying to help anyway! [07:37] horror1: yw :) === horror1 [n=z@ppp115-5.static.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Cornellius [n=Alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === horrork [n=z@ppp160-32.as1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === horrork [n=z@ppp160-32.as1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has left #edubuntu [] [08:38] hello all === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [08:54] testing testing 1 2 3 ... [08:54] mic check. 1, 2. 1, 2, 3. [08:55] strange behaviour from my Xchat - window stays blank until I move off and back on ... but I see the lines advance ... wierd [08:55] brb === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-147-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["~>] === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-147-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd taps the mic [08:56] ah better :) [08:57] RichEd: disabled renderaccel? [08:58] no it seems to be fine now ... must have been a funny ... wasn't happening in other channels ... [09:01] weird === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:22] greetz cbx33 : busy with mail to Mr Cameroon === RichEd wonders if it is really this quiet in here today or if he is disconnected [10:09] nahh === jsgotangco thinks we should re-evaluate the website === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:49] jsgotangco: that's on the list ... a very long list ... am hoping to get some help from The Shuttleworth Foundation on how to best present information to end users ... they are researcing that sort fo thing [10:49] researching that sort of thing <- [10:50] which reminds me ... i owe you some case study background re maths & science academic improvement results from IT enablement [10:50] TSF may also be a good place to look [10:59] hmmm [11:00] i will look tonight at home === toosa [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #edubuntu [11:06] no i mean for me to look :) i'll be doing some digging for you ... [11:07] Hi RichEd [11:07] hi toosa ... just diggin up your email now about the seminar ... [11:08] have you been to shippit ion the web site for CD requests ? [11:08] :) thank you .. [11:08] on <- ion [11:09] about two months ago i have tried it, and have recieved < 20 CDs [11:10] i forgot the exact number [11:10] but ... [11:10] okay ... tell you what go to here to order: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ [11:11] i plan to order more than 100 CDs ... what do i have to do ? [11:11] RichEd: my CD's came today :D [11:11] thank you [11:11] when you have filled in the order request, please send me the reference ... i'll need the email address you requested from [11:12] ok, thx a lot [11:12] then i can push to marilize that the speed of delivery must be upgraded [11:12] i will [11:12] she is based about 20 km from me ... and i can mail her or call her or chat in #canonical [11:12] :) [11:13] please mail me a short description of the seminar to support your request ... and any web links you may have [11:13] https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ for UBUNTU [11:13] https://shipit.edubuntu.com/ for EDUBUNTU [11:14] if you are handing out EDUBUNTU I suggest you have some UBUNTU as well ... so if you ask for 200 Edubuntu, ask for 20 Ubuntu [11:14] btw, you can see a little story about our 2nd InstallFest & Seminar at my blog [11:14] ok [11:15] RichEd: do we have an ETA on the packs ? [11:15] i mean in a sense that are they goign to be actively developed? [11:16] toosa: tx please mail me the link ... i am multi-tasking and mail is sticky unlike IRC :) [11:16] cbx33: you mean the conference packs ? [11:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences <- toosa also look here [11:17] ok [11:17] you may be able to get a t-shirt & stickers & leaflets ... if you do not fit the required profile exactly, please CC me in the mail request, and I will try to support you ... even if you get a smaller pack [11:19] cbx33: what packs ? personal intercontinental transporter rocket packs are still under development, but conference packs are a reality [11:19] back in 5 - fresh coffee in and processed coffee out [11:22] haha [11:23] RichEd: the leaflets we discussed [11:25] see you guys later [11:34] cbx33: case studies ? those are still being prepared by Marketing ... format is 90% complete ... [11:34] i'm still clarifying the process for submission & approval & printing [11:34]