[04:13] <johnlittle> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_Is_Ubuntu_So_Freakin_Popular
[05:08] <poningru> cool
[06:40] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ubuntupolice.png
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> *rofl*
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats marketing? ;)
[06:45] <johnlittle> No.its for my ubuntu hating coworker :)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> johnlittle: Now you just have to hack the machine to make the whole screen pop to that randomly throughout the day.
[06:47] <johnlittle> Believe me..if I set his wallpaper he won't know how to change it..sadly
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> tjats a bit sad :(
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *thats
[06:49] <johnlittle> Yeah..don't get me started lol
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:52] <Madpilot> johnlittle, that's a brilliant wallpaper!
[06:52] <Madpilot> where is the base image from, or is it your own original work?
[06:52] <johnlittle> V2: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ubuntupolice2.png
[06:52] <elkbuntu> rofl
[06:52] <elkbuntu> that's brilliant
[06:53] <johnlittle> Oh no..its a half-life 2 wallpaper with the obvious mod
[06:53] <Madpilot> no, "We've come for your desktop" is better
[06:53] <johnlittle> Yeah I think so too
[06:53] <elkbuntu> indeed
[06:53] <elkbuntu> put that up on gnomelook or something. people will  it
[06:53] <johnlittle> lol
[06:54] <Madpilot> might be a bit of a copyright issue - what does Valve let you do with their wallpapers?
[06:54] <johnlittle> No idea. I wasn't really thinking about releasing it..but I'll look
[06:54] <johnlittle> I grabbed the base off some third party site
[06:55] <elkbuntu> go buy some lego policemen and do something similar :)
[06:55] <johnlittle> lol
[06:55] <johnlittle> those guys are so cool looking though
[06:55] <elkbuntu> lego policemen are just as cool tyvm
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> johnlittle, grab garrys mod and diy :)
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> zomg! i cant believe it works! http://alcopop.org/unix/sparc/ actually works!
[06:57] <elkbuntu> i wonder if they've decided on the tshirt comp thing... i wanna know if i won, or if not, whos design was cooler
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i still have a working sparc!
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for OT, just excited
[06:57] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, you put a design in? Good luck! I kicked a few designs around, couldn't get one I liked that wasn't also super-basic, and dropped it... not much time for that contest...
[06:58] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/tshirtidea.png
[06:59] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, :)
[06:59] <johnlittle> I like it
[07:00] <elkbuntu> so do i. and im not being biased here. i often dont like designs i do
[07:00] <johnlittle> The logo wrap is a very cool concept..not sure i like the small print on the back..but thats it
[07:01] <elkbuntu> well, when i submitted it, i pointed out that things could be altered, and the design was GPL'd which means they could mess with it however they want
[07:01] <johnlittle> What about one with a fake beard glued to the front color...so we can all have that "linux guy" look
[07:01] <johnlittle> front colar
[07:02] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:02] <elkbuntu> that kinda rules out those of us who do not have the hormone predisposition to grow beards anyway
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:03] <johnlittle> Nah..wear it at a foss event and nobody will notice
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, wear it at LCA
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> and SFD
[07:04] <elkbuntu> heh
[07:05] <elkbuntu> i've gotta get a freaking job before i can get to lca :P
[07:06] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, nice design - I like the re-working of the Ubuntu logo like that
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, no, if you have a job, you wont be goin ;)
[07:07] <Madpilot> probably too much text on the back, going down too low, though
[07:07] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, if i get a job, i'll make the point that i am unable to work for that week due to something that is booked and paid for
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *bookings
[07:09] <elkbuntu> yeah. but the work im likely to get, the employers are barely goign to know what Linux is, let alone the conf etc
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[07:10] <johnlittle> Heh
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey bimberi
[07:14] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: maaaaaate :)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> g'daiiy
[07:16] <bimberi> noice die to die
[07:17] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-search/
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> strewth yer
[07:27] <johnlittle> anyone here using stumbleupon.com?
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> a while back iitc
[07:28] <johnlittle> im getting lots of traffic from them..guess its popular with ubuntu ppl
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a good thing i suppose
[07:30] <johnlittle> no complaints..just kind of surprising
[07:33] <elkbuntu> the counter site is not getting all that much stumbleupon traffic..
[07:34] <elkbuntu> ~1500 hits for the past 10 or so days
[07:34] <johnlittle> by hits do you mean visitors?
[07:35] <elkbuntu> by hits i mean hits
[07:35] <elkbuntu> http://www.webmarketingnow.com/tips/hitsvsvisits.html
[07:36] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, do you have something like awstats set up for the video site?
[07:36] <johnlittle> Yeah..I'm aware of the difference..just never know if the person I'm talking to is :)
[07:36] <johnlittle> yeah awstats
[07:37] <elkbuntu> what's your unique visitor count for august so far?
[07:37] <johnlittle> 847
[07:37] <johnlittle> up less than a week
[07:37] <elkbuntu> heh, you havent been dugg or anything then, have you
[07:38] <johnlittle> nah. and I haven't even linked it from of my other sites. Didn't want to promote much until i get the kinks out
[07:38] <johnlittle> from any of..
[07:39] <elkbuntu> Jul 2006: 140031 (latter half only) | Aug 2006	159175
[07:39] <elkbuntu> that's the sort of traffic you can expect
[07:39] <poningru> guess this is already known around here
[07:39] <poningru> but whats ubuntux.org?
[07:39] <elkbuntu> afaik, another community site
[07:40] <poningru> sweet
[07:40] <poningru> but I was asking more along the lines of who runs it etc.
[07:40] <poningru> how long has it been up...
[07:40] <elkbuntu> and judging by my search for 'counter', i need to attack them with counter goodness
[07:40] <poningru> rofl
[07:41] <johnlittle> I've had my blog linked from CNN..reuters. thats 100k uniques an hour. But ubuntuvideo isn't setup for that kind of traffic. I can make that switch with a call though.
[07:41] <johnlittle> Not really expecting it
[07:42] <elkbuntu> yeah. i dont particuarly want to be slashdotted either
[07:42] <johnlittle> I've been talking to roblimo..if he links UV i hope he warns me
[07:42] <elkbuntu> UV?
[07:42] <johnlittle> Ubuntu Video
[07:42] <elkbuntu> ah, ok then, who's roblimo
[07:43] <johnlittle> Editor in chief for slashdot/linux.com etc
[07:43] <johnlittle> he was kind enought to give me permission to use any videos they create
[07:44] <johnlittle> er enough
[07:44] <elkbuntu> ahhh.. btw, i coded the counter site to be sparse so as not to suck much bandwidth. last month, even with the digg, it only went through 1.58 GB, already up to 1.05 GB for august
[07:45] <johnlittle> Yeah I'm lucky in that I don't get charged for overages.
[07:45] <elkbuntu> slashdot isnt quite as rabid for ubuntu as digg is though
[07:45] <elkbuntu> what's your host?
[07:45] <johnlittle> hostingmatters.com
[07:45] <johnlittle> highly recommended
[07:45] <elkbuntu> the counter's just on the smallest shitty 3ix.org account.. in truth, tacked on the end of my blog hosting ;)
[07:46] <johnlittle> That's not their typical policy though. I got a deal. Still, they rarely charge customers for overages
[07:46] <johnlittle> Hostingmatters has seen me though the CNN linkage, massive DDOS attacks, you name it. they're awesome
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> johnlittle, do you have issues with logins/sites disapearing etc?
[07:47] <johnlittle> on my hostingmatters account
[07:47] <johnlittle> ??
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[07:48] <elkbuntu> yeah, a good host is important. so far 3ix saw me through the digging, but im not sure i'll be renewing with them.
[07:48] <johnlittle> nope
[07:49] <johnlittle> I switched to hostingmatters something like 4 years ago and it's been great. Up till then it was hit or miss..mostly miss
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> but not so great recently
[07:50] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: You think the big spike is behind you?
[07:50] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, no idea
[07:50] <johnlittle> Kamping_Kaiser I honestly can't remember being down..maybe 20 mintues tops in 4 years
[07:50] <johnlittle> minutes
[07:51] <elkbuntu> but i have some good hosting from a company here in .au that i'd move the counter to if i needed to
[07:51] <johnlittle> I can host some images for you if you need it. I push 40-100gigs a month on my main account
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> johnlittle, impressive
[07:52] <elkbuntu> the bandwidth isnt the issue
[07:52] <elkbuntu> the stability is
[07:52] <johnlittle> gotcha
[07:53] <johnlittle> Yeah youre doing good on bandwidth with that many uniques
[07:56] <johnlittle> I still have plenty of room bandwidth wise on ubuntu video so if you want to stash an image or two there for any reason just let me know
[08:04] <johnlittle> I've got the recent mark shuttleworth interview up if you haven't seen it
[08:06] <ormiret> johnlittle: is that legal?
[08:07] <johnlittle> It's streaming from google. Not really possible to tell.
[08:08] <ormiret> did you upload it to google?
[08:08] <johnlittle> Nope
[08:08] <ormiret> you're probably in the clear then, not so sure about google...
[08:08] <johnlittle> I don't produce videos. I just tap whats out there
[08:09] <johnlittle> I'm not the least bit worried about my liability. YouTubve and Google is another matter
[08:11] <johnlittle> So many copyright holders are desperate to get their content out there. it makes it difficult to determine. But the hibs bear the liability for making that determination..and the uploaders
[08:11] <johnlittle> hibs=hubs
[08:12] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, you havent got the counter linked on the page anywhere... :P
[08:13] <johnlittle> i thought i had..i'll fix it
[08:14] <elkbuntu> choose between: ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net, ubuntucounter.org or ubuntucounter.com  the former two being the preferred :)
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> bhahahha
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntucounter.org is blocked by privoxy
[08:15] <elkbuntu> the .com is just pointed from the registrar, hence slower
[08:15] <johnlittle> hows that
[08:16] <johnlittle> geeksophical was already linked
[08:17] <johnlittle> now gimmie a lower counter number :p
[08:17] <elkbuntu> lol
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> heheeh
[08:21] <elkbuntu> hehe
[08:53] <YoussefAssad> Hello
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[08:54] <YoussefAssad> I was just wondering; I joined the team then sent an email, but I got a message that it was awaiting moderation since I wasn't a member. What's up with that?
[08:54] <YoussefAssad> Oh, hi there Kamping_Kaiser
[08:55] <ormiret> YoussefAssad: did you sign up the the mailing list as well of just join the team in launchpad?
[08:55] <YoussefAssad> ormiret: No sir/ma'am!
[08:55] <YoussefAssad> I don't think so.
[08:56] <YoussefAssad> erh, let me check that. I'm still on my first coffee this morn
[08:56] <ormiret> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[08:57] <YoussefAssad> er, think I'd better debug this later; flight in a few hours
[08:57] <YoussefAssad> thanks ormiret
[10:18] <matthewrevell> Guys, I had to leave part way through the magazine discussion with Sara yesterday. Was a conclusion reached?
[10:31] <ormiret> matthewrevell: 17:34 < Burgwork> sara, please push for merging SU with the Fridge
[10:31] <ormiret> 17:36 < sara> burgwork-sounds good
[10:32] <ormiret> that's the only discussion of it I can see after you left
[10:41] <matthewrevell> ormiret: thanks
[10:42] <matthewrevell> Not sure about merging SpreadUbuntu with the Fridge, though
[10:44] <mdke> no, that's a step too far in my opinion too
[10:44] <matthewrevell> yes
[10:44] <matthewrevell> SU *can* have some great value, if done properly
[10:52] <ormiret> I also noticed talk about a meeting on the 13th when I was reading through scrolback, but thats not in the wiki.
[10:52] <ormiret> anyone know more?
[10:53] <digitalmouse> @schedule
[10:53] <digitalmouse> arg
[10:53] <digitalmouse> hmm
[10:53] <digitalmouse> I forgot the command.... um, to answer: not me
[10:53] <matthewrevell> no
[10:59] <digitalmouse> hmm... an ubuntu-centric shoutcast radio program that highlights the fridge and other resources, and maybe provides an audio interview, or Q&A session via Skype... hmmm
[10:59] <digitalmouse> I have all the hardware and software too...
[11:00] <matthewrevell> Shoutcast? Why not just a podcast?
[11:03] <MenZa> digitalmouse: no Skype! Use Ekiga!
[11:04] <matthewrevell> There are a few Ubuntu and related podcasts out there
[11:06] <digitalmouse> several reasons:  skype is available on all platforms; it's also well known;  if Ekiga or any other voice-over-ip-telephone system is easy to use, then it should be considered... and nothing much prevents me from hosting multiple protocols at once (ok the sound-server might give trouble).... shoutcast, podcast, ubuntucast.. does not matter really... but it would depend on whether to provide a 'live' show or a podcast-like download 
[11:07] <Madpilot> digitalmouse, there are SIP apps for Windows too
[11:07] <digitalmouse> true
[11:07] <digitalmouse> evil.... but true
[11:08] <Madpilot> less evil that Skype - SIP being an open protocol & all...
[11:08] <digitalmouse> also true
[11:08] <digitalmouse> now that skype is owned by.. um eBay I think it is?
[11:09] <Madpilot> ya
[11:12] <MenZa> Madpilot: what license is SIP?
[11:12] <Madpilot> MenZa, not sure, but it's open
[11:12] <MenZa> Madpilot: alright
[11:12] <MenZa> alright*
[11:12] <MenZa> Madpilot: Skype is based on SIP.
[11:13] <MenZa> SIP is nowhere near as good as Skype's own protocol though.
[11:13] <MenZa> I get really dodgy sound on Gizmo
[11:13] <Madpilot> MenZa, but not compatible w/ each other
[11:13] <MenZa> True.
[11:15] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: We should probably have an "Ubuntu friendly podcasts" section on The Fridge
[11:20] <matthewrevell> sebpayne: Long time no speak
[11:22] <sebpayne> hey matthewrevell
[11:25] <digitalmouse> not a bad idea matthew
[11:59] <digitalmouse> *chirp* *chirp*
[11:59] <matthewrevell> Don't mice squeek?
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, genetically engineered ;)
[12:02] <matthewrevell> ah
[12:12] <elkbuntu> well he is a digital mouse, which means it's probably an audio file
[12:55] <digitalmouse> *squeak* *squeak*
[12:55] <digitalmouse> there... happy?  :-p
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> damn, the mouse is coming loose again
[12:56] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Order is restored.
[12:56] <matthewrevell> I'm up for Ubuntu membership at Monday's meeting. Not sure I can make it though, which obviously would be a problem.
[12:57] <mindspin> you could write your statement and get it posted, but it would be nice if you could appear
[12:58] <mindspin> or give a delay until a further meeting
[12:59] <matthewrevell> I understand the guys are fairly busy at the moment, so I'd prefer not to delay. I'll work around it somehow. :)
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, what times the meeting (GMT)?
[12:59] <mindspin> !ubuntu-meeting
[12:59] <matthewrevell> GMT/UTC it's 16:00, which 17:00 British Summer Time. I'll be leaving work at that time.
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah bugger, i wont be tehre for you
[01:00] <matthewrevell> And won't get home for an hour and forty mins after that
[01:00] <mindspin> so stay in your office ;-)
[01:00] <mindspin> or go to an internet cafe
[01:01] <matthewrevell> mindspin: With a 1hr40min commute, I'm not prepared to wait an extra hour at work :)
[01:01] <matthewrevell> I'll see if I can work from home that day.
[01:01] <bimberi> matthewrevell: put yourself at the end of the list, they usually start late and it takes quite a while (usually) to even get to the first membership application
[01:01] <matthewrevell> bimberi: Cheers for the tip.
[01:01] <mindspin> maybe wecan bid for putting your issue at the end of meeting
[01:02] <bimberi> matthewrevell: np, it will be at 2am here :(
[01:02] <matthewrevell> I'd be home by 17:45 UTC-ish. If I went last, would that still be too late, d'you think?
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, thats why i wont be there :/
[01:03] <matthewrevell> I'll see if I can pull mdke into the meeting :)
[01:04] <mindspin> timezone is always a bit itchy when it comes to aussies
[01:04] <mindspin> which is very sad for the marketing-team meetings
[01:04] <bimberi> matthewrevell: it's really hard to say, it really depends on the topics prior to the memberships.
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i need to get someone to update my 'ok times' page on the wiki. those times are totally wrong now :) out of sync by about 5 hours
[01:05] <bimberi> mindspin: 19:00UTC is actually quite good for me.  Early night, up at 5am to a quiet house for 2 hours
[01:05] <mindspin> hehe
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, wow. your up early
[01:06] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm usually up at 6am, but can do 5am when needed :)
[01:06] <mindspin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, that times untinkable for me - i have trouble with 8 am to get to tafe at 9
[01:07] <bimberi> matthewrevell: reading through the logs of previous CC meetings is good to see how it works - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[01:07] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[01:07] <bimberi> Kamping_Kaiser: it's something that comes with having kids - a more disciplined routine :)
[01:08] <mindspin> indeed
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe :) *hopes for a never-to-be-disiplned rotine
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[01:08] <matthewrevell> bimberi: I've sat in on a couple but will check the logs too.
[01:08] <matthewrevell> ta
[01:08] <mdke> matthewrevell: that's a tricky time for me too
[01:08] <mdke> damnit
[01:09] <bimberi> matthewrevell: np, just don't look at mine, i was crap (as i keep telling people)
[01:09] <mindspin> all on the road ?
[01:09] <mindspin> filing up at M5
[01:09] <bimberi> :)
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> "and indeed it is Mr Seacom, hauling his huge welsh body up the M1, all 4 lanes are blocked, and motorists are advised to take an alternative route - like france"
[01:11] <mdke> matthewrevell: it's likely to be a long meeting though, as I believe that they would like to discuss the recent forums stuff
[01:12] <bimberi> mdke: yes, and IRC Network might be lengthy too, although they did discuss it last time
[01:12] <mdke> I'm going to put wiki licensing on the agenda too
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> recent forums stuff?
[01:12] <bimberi> hey lets all help matthewrevell by making up lots of agenda items ;)
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[01:13] <bimberi> pad it out - CNN style
[01:13] <mdke> well, it's been ages since the last meeting
[01:14] <matthewrevell> Ah, you guys are the best </cheesy American film mode>
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[01:16] <bimberi> lol
[01:16] <matthewrevell> mdke: At the risk of losing the topic altogether, but forum stuff?
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, dont worry, i lost it for you....
[01:17] <matthewrevell> :)
[01:20] <elkbuntu> eeeeevening bimberi
[01:20] <mdke> it's not well documented, there was a bit of a stir on the forums recently with staff changes and so on.
[01:20] <bimberi> hi elkbuntu :)
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, hopefully for the better. *ages since i was involved in the forums in any way, so dont know much about it anymore*
[01:21] <mdke> well, that's part of the dispute.
[01:22] <mdke> it seems to have been handled rather badly
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> never a good thing unfortunately... well just have to see how it goes
[01:23] <matthewrevell> We need to create a marketing super-hero to help out in situations such as that
[01:23] <elkbuntu> yeah, we need a chief whip
[01:24] <matthewrevell> Said super-hero would spread love, equality, integrity, teamwork ... sorry, I digress.
[01:24] <mindspin> nope
[01:24] <mdke> matthewrevell: "forums" = ubuntuforums.org, not marketing team related
[01:24] <matthewrevell> mdke: Sorry, yes, I'm being a fool.
[01:24] <mdke> but yeah, superhero needed anyway
[01:25] <mindspin> nonsense
[01:25] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, yes, stop now, for risk of being tagged as the annoying one's twin
[01:25] <mindspin> collectivity shuld be our drive
[01:25] <elkbuntu> mindspin, i dont know about in other governments, but the australian government has 'chief whip' positions
[01:26] <mdke> I think we're talking at cross purposes
[01:26] <mindspin> hehe
[01:26] <elkbuntu> where the chief whip is literally as the name suggest, he or she literally keeps everyone working together and moving forward
[01:26] <mdke> anyway, Canonical just appointed a community "chief whip"
[01:26] <mindspin> deep in my heart I#m still an anarchist, like when I was 16
[01:26] <mdke> or "cat herder" in mpt's words
[01:27] <bimberi> lol, that's what i feel matthewrevell tries to do here ;)
[01:27] <elkbuntu> mdke, rofl, the only way to herd cats is to use incentives...
[01:27] <mindspin> to be honest, it looks a bit like jenda 2 months ago ....
[01:28] <elkbuntu> there's no problem having a team whip, the chief whip cannot see into the workings of all teams
[01:28] <mindspin> so we need job-titles for every team member and the cats will be silenced
[01:29] <mindspin> sorry g2g
[01:29] <elkbuntu> mindspin, not really, the cats will then turn into green-eyed-monsters if -everyone- gets a title, however having someone to keep track of things is a good idea, so there's no doubling up of effort
[01:31] <elkbuntu> we dont want multiple Fridge projects, or 10 clones of the surveys
[02:16] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Are we getting into conspiracy theory here?
[02:28] <digitalmouse> I'm a programmer deep down, anyway :-p
[02:29] <digitalmouse> and moonlights as a desktop-publisherer/graphic-designer/shoutcast radio host
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:42] <digitalmouse> now with fewer calories!
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:44] <digitalmouse> actually I tend to hang out here because you marketing-types come up with ideas us programmer-types have to implement... so this way I get a 'heads-up' when something useful comes along that I could contribute to
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> digitalmouse, what do you program in?
[03:14] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, ping
[03:14] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: yo
[03:15] <elkbuntu> re: your mail... thats sort of what we want to find out with the surveys :P
[03:16] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: I'm not sure I agree (altho' am willing to be persuaded). Yeah, on the surface it looks similar, but with the surveys we're looking for something approaching empirical data. I'm looking for people's exisitng feelings on the matter.
[03:16] <matthewrevell> So, rather than looking at the evidence, I wanna know what people think is the case.
[03:16] <matthewrevell> It'll be interesting to have something to compare against.
[03:17] <elkbuntu> ah ok, i get you now
[03:17] <matthewrevell> Plus, I'm thinking around the idea of Ubuntu as benign cult.
[03:18] <matthewrevell> I suppose I'm really asking "Why did you come into the Ubuntu community?" but sometimes it seems to be easier to get people to think in the third person :)
[03:19] <elkbuntu> yeah.. although, a forum post would only end up a flame war if you tried to ask there
[03:21] <elkbuntu> you should have asked expressly for private responses, so it eliminates momentary bias or offense, but stated that the responses will be published later, and by responding they are giving permission for this unless they explicitly state otherwise
[03:23] <elkbuntu> strong disagreement with previous theories can kill genuine reasoning quicker than a sniper shot to the head
[03:24] <matthewrevell> Not sure where the forums come into this.
[03:24] <elkbuntu> a side thought
[03:24] <matthewrevell> ah
[03:25] <elkbuntu> put the call out on sounder also, so you're not just getting marketeers, but try keep responses hidden until publication
[03:27] <matthewrevell> I don't think there'll be a problem with people replying to the -marketing list, if that's what they want to do.
[03:27] <matthewrevell> Other than the risk of some more blue-sky thinking :)
[03:27] <elkbuntu> im basing the potential to spoil responses from the various 'why did you stop using windows' forum threads, and how ugly they often get
[03:28] <matthewrevell> I *hope* that we have slightly less confrontational people on the -marketing list. Let's see how it goes :)
[03:28] <matthewrevell> I'll post to -sounder too.
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, its people joining to have their say thats the problem, not the existing crew
[03:29] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe there's a tendency that I haven't noticed, then.
[03:29] <matthewrevell> I'll ask specifically for private responses on -sounder :)
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> herers a good thing to market ubuntu to satanists : my ubuntu-users email is 666 unread
[03:41] <matthewrevell> gotta go
[03:59] <mindspin> elkbuntu ping
[03:59] <elkbuntu> yep?
[03:59] <mindspin> you are sure that you'll get matthewrevell#s question answered by the ubuntu counter?
[04:00] <mindspin> the counter is a more quantyfied method wether matthew's question is a more qualitative kinda research
[04:01] <elkbuntu> the counter? heck no, that's nothign to do with either surveys or his call for theories
[04:01] <mindspin> ahh misread you, you were speaking of surveys
[04:02] <elkbuntu> the surveys are goign to be both qualitative and quantitative anyway
[04:02] <elkbuntu> i initially misunderstood matt's aim too
[04:02] <mindspin> I was just reading what happened here while I was away
[04:02] <elkbuntu> i figured
[04:04] <elkbuntu> i think he's got a good idea too. getting in-depth opinion, rather than just brief opinion is a worthy cause and could be very useful as well
[04:04] <mindspin> I#m not really sure what it will be good for beside enlightment...
[04:05] <mindspin> or better say empiric knowledge
[04:05] <elkbuntu> psychological research ;)
[04:06] <mindspin> cultural anthropoligian far more in my eyes
[04:06] <mindspin> hey and that is what I did at University ;-)
[04:07] <elkbuntu> i've never taken psychology, but i should have.. im somewhat of a natural
[04:07] <mindspin> "80 % of the survey showed, that their main reason for using ubuntu is the unability to install debian"
[04:08] <mindspin> ;-)
[04:08] <elkbuntu> if that's what we get, then the debian people will benefit. the survey results are not going to be useful to only ubuntu, but the whole OS community
[04:09] <mindspin> "while 8 % are attracted by godd looking smart wealthy geeks from south africa"
[04:09] <mindspin> argh I forgot to switch off "sarcasm mode"
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[04:10] <mindspin> kill -9 sarcasmd
[04:10] <elkbuntu> its like "71% of people like ubuntu because of <blah>"... mandriva dev #1: "do we do that", mandriva dev 2: "nope..", mandriva dev #1: "hmm, maybe we should"
[04:11] <digitalmouse> Kamping_Kaiser:  mostly PHP/MySQL with a sprinkle of AJAX for flavor
[04:11] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, the 'potential users' part is going to be relevent to every single OS wanting to bring in the unwashed masses
[04:11] <mindspin> If ubuntu will succeed we we'll have to deal with many kinds of users and very diifferent reasons for their choice
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> digitalmouse, ah cool,
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'web stuff' ;)
[04:12] <mindspin> like (politeness of) community, usability, easyness, security and so on...
[04:12] <elkbuntu> mindspin, getting a proper and documented expression of that is important. we cant just guess/
[04:13] <digitalmouse> and I've dabbled with everything from TRS80 BASIC and Commodore BASIC, to C, Pascal, eevviill FORTRAN, Perl and SmallTALK...
[04:13] <mindspin> we can and we can try to get scales and surveys to help us guessing
[04:13] <mindspin> both is relevant
[04:13] <mindspin> imho
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> digitalmouse, :)
[04:13] <digitalmouse> whatever took my interest in the last 30+ years...
[04:13] <elkbuntu> yep. guided guessing is far better than blind guessing ;)
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, leaving this chan for a moment or 4
[04:14] <digitalmouse> too bad blind dates can't learn from the same wisdom
[04:14] <elkbuntu> rofl
[04:17] <mindspin> isthere a discussion area in the survey project or should comments inserted in the wiki?
[04:18] <elkbuntu> there's a Discussion section at the bottom of the wiki page if that's what you're asking
[04:18] <mindspin> Feel free to dig your hands into the wiki page and list off question
[04:18] <mindspin> ideas.
[04:18] <mindspin> just read your reply
[04:18] <elkbuntu> ;)
[04:20] <mindspin> the harder part of the survey is interpretation
[04:21] <mindspin> I'll read the questionaire a bit more in depth and will try to add some comments (if neccessar immho)
[04:21] <elkbuntu> yep :)
[04:21] <elkbuntu> anyway afk a few
[04:21] <mindspin> metoo
[04:37] <matthewrevell> yesterday's logs suggest a meeting on 13th for this team
[04:37] <matthewrevell> Can anyone confirm?
[04:42] <mindspin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings?highlight=%28meeting%29
[04:42] <mindspin> so there is no meeting on agenda
[04:42] <matthewrevell> Yeah, I see that :)
[04:42] <matthewrevell> But sara seemed to think there was one, according to the logs
[04:42] <mindspin> who said that there is ameeting?
[04:43] <mindspin> coud be a magazine meeting
[04:45] <matthewrevell> She was talking about SpreadUbuntu at the moment, so I'm not sure.
[04:45] <matthewrevell> s/at the moment/at that moment
[04:46] <mdke> well, nothing on the mailing list or wiki, so, no meeting
[04:47] <matthewrevell> yeah, that's what I thought,but I'd feared factionalism had set in :-D
[04:50] <mindspin> cool down matt
[04:50] <mdke> meh. /me really has to stop nick highlighting on "matt", nowadays
[04:50] <mindspin> hehe
[04:51] <mdke> every damn channel I'm in has like 10 matts
[04:51] <mindspin> the curse of a popular name
[04:51] <ormiret> At the last meeting Jenda said he would be back around the 13th, that might be where the date came from
[04:58] <ormiret> just found the actual minuted from the last meeting and they do include the next meeting as being the 13th
[04:58] <ormiret> (the link on /Minuts is wrong)
[04:59] <matthewrevell> mindspin: I wasn't serious :)
[05:41] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey nix
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> * nixternal
[05:42] <nixternal> well hello there
[05:42] <MitchM> greetings all
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey MitchM
[05:42] <nixternal> hello
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are we all thismorning?
[05:43] <MitchM> oh; a tid bit hungry myself
[05:43] <matthewrevell> hey hey
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey matthewrevell
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, come and say hi :)
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lets have 5 people active at once ;)
[05:43] <elkbuntu> wheee
[05:44] <elkbuntu> you mean semi-active
[05:44] <MitchM> *chuckles*
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[05:45] <MitchM> So I'm a new member of the ubuntu-marketing team; joined up on launchpad after I did some reading.
[05:45] <MitchM> seems like there are some good goals set out for us
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) yay
[05:47] <MitchM> =P
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:47] <MitchM> Looks like everyone still needs a little coffee this morning...
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[05:48] <matthewrevell> MitchM: This is the end of my working day :)
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> this place works in spurts.
[05:48] <elkbuntu> not morening for all of us
[05:48] <elkbuntu> morning*
[05:48] <MitchM> well good point...
[05:48] <MitchM> but coffee is good anytime.
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> its morning in a very technically accurate way here atm
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1:18
[05:49] <matthewrevell> Hey guys, do you have experience of the marketing projects of other FOSS projects?
[05:49] <MitchM> *chuckle*
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> matthewrevell, only observing, never partaking
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> (lol, i just tried to use a touchpad with my thumb, then realised this is a desktop)
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> debian etch beta 3 is out
[05:55] <MitchM> stop that sillyness :-P
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[05:55] <MitchM> haha
[05:55] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:58] <MitchM> good 1 =)
[05:59] <MitchM> Ubuntu is debian
[05:59] <MitchM> stick with simplicity ^.^
[05:59] <MitchM> stay ubuntu
[05:59] <MitchM> or better yet; Kubuntu
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu != debian, a lot of custom patches are applied
[05:59] <elkbuntu> debian is the cake. ubuntu is the cake with frosting and decorations
[05:59] <MitchM> for all intensive purposes
[05:59] <MitchM> haha
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> its the simplicity that i'm looking at escaping - i also want to know whats happening in debian land.
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i'm a sysadmin....
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use 16 bit colour ;)
[06:00] <MitchM> then simplicity is your _policy_
[06:00] <elkbuntu> i wasnt saying it for your benefit, Kamping_Kaiser
[06:00] <MitchM> =)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> MitchM, so is power (system wise, not human interaction/bofh wise) :)
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol elkbuntu
[06:02] <MitchM> absolute power corrupts absolutely
[06:02] <elkbuntu> that's a pre-requisite for being a sysadmin
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> any level of power does  :( *holds self up as example*
[06:02] <MitchM> lol
[06:03] <MitchM> who isnt a sysadmin these days?
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> MitchM, dont get me started....
[06:03] <MitchM> =)
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:04] <MitchM> so whats new on the ubuntu-marketing project list
[06:04] <MitchM> I know there is a metting the 13th for spreadubuntu
[06:04] <MitchM> and voting for the design winner
[06:04] <MitchM> but i only know that because I'm psychic; any other roles/things that need to be done in the near future?
[06:05] <matthewrevell> I'm still confused about this 13th meeting. No one that has been active on the list or on this channel over the past few weeks seems to know of it
[06:05] <matthewrevell> PLus, I still think it's really far to soon to talk about design for SU, when we haven't really worked out what it's for :)
[06:05] <MitchM> *chuckles*
[06:05] <MitchM> its for... "Spreading Ubuntu"?
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:06] <matthewrevell> MitchM: To answer your questio, though, have a look at the mailing list and a post titled "To do" from yesterday.
[06:06] <MitchM> could you perchance send me a link to the mailing list?
[06:09] <matthewrevell> sure
[06:09] <matthewrevell> http://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-marketing
[08:33] <poningru> arr
[09:28] <MitchM> arr