| DaSkreech | ryanakca: Well at least a script that comments out wacom stuff if not detetected | 12:10 |
|---|---|---|
| imbrandon | man thats gonna require an audit of nearly every univserse package though | 12:10 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:10 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: amarok upstream version freeze request is just an e-mail to mdz and kamion with changelog and confirmation that it's been tested and works well | 12:10 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: CC me so I can confirm too | 12:10 |
| allee | Hobbsee, imbrandon IMHO kdebluetooth should not start when not available and menues can be rearranged ;) Maybe file bugs so it get's not forgotten? | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | allee: yea it dosent start just gets in my way on the kmenu | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | i will | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool, thanks | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | allee: yeah. point. | 12:11 |
| === Hobbsee filed enough bugs last night :P | ||
| toma | universe upload team? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | tell us more Hobbsee | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | ok i'm done , i see it as wait and see how recomends works out | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: about? what bugs i filed? one heck of a lot of syncs. i went from the unvierse "p | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | 's" to partway thru the "s'" | 12:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: about universe upload team | 12:12 |
| imbrandon | [17:11] <toma> universe upload team? < about that | 12:12 |
| toma | ;-) | 12:12 |
| === toma gives Hobbsee coffee | ||
| Hobbsee | oh right | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's part of my plan to take over the world. | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | There now exists a universe uploads team: [WWW] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors You can use this if there's no one around to upload, or you prefer to do it via LP, etc. Please attach a debdiff between current debian, and your version (for merges, at least). Syncs too. | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | toma: i dont drink the stuff :P | 12:13 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: naughty girl.. ;) | 12:13 |
| seaLne | that'll be the problem | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | looks kinda like a "mentors" type project from debian , witch i think ubuntu needs | 12:13 |
| toma | i know, but how to ping those people properly? | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | 1) Take over the World | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | 2)...... | 12:13 |
| DaSkreech | 3) Profit!! | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | rationalle: it's quite hard to get stuff uploaded to universe, if you dotn konw the people | 12:13 |
| seaLne | debian-mentors is a good way to get ignored | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | toma: how to ping which people? | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | toma: irc, usually | 12:13 |
| Riddell | pitti announced it here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html | 12:14 |
| danimo | Hobbsee: yes, that's true. however it's significantly more easy than with debian | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh. missed that, something screwed up my ubuntu-devel mailing list subscription | 12:14 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: ?? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | my worry is that if I subscribe to that I'll be flodded with upload requests for stuff I don't care or know about | 12:15 |
| seaLne | imbrandon: just bitching | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that's why you're not on the team? | 12:15 |
| ryanakca | bbiab, supper | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: :P | 12:15 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'm not on the team because I only just read pitti's e-mail :) | 12:15 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: you allready get flooded with wiki updates, don't you? | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | heh you can always un-join ;) | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's not kubuntu specific, i havent seen you listed on there. oh, and if you try to, i'll just kick you off, because i can! :D | 12:15 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: naw, I filter out all but *kubuntu* | 12:15 |
| ryanakca | nice :) | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's *far* more fun to kick the leading kubuntu dev off though | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:16 |
| === Riddell wonders who's on the main team | ||
| Riddell | a fair number https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-main-sponsors | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | brb mt dew refill ( btw takin collections for a fast food resturant soda fountain for my computer lab here at home , lol just kidding ) | 12:17 |
| Riddell | but I should probably subscribe incase kde stuff comes onto it | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | yea good idea /me looks at allee and toma too | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sounds sane. or someone could just poke you for kde based stuff | 12:17 |
| Riddell | poking usually works best with me | 12:18 |
| === Hobbsee pokes Riddell with her long pointy stick. you did ask for it :P | ||
| toma | imbrandon: well, i like the idea, but talking to Hobbsee and Riddell works ok too. I was wondering what they prefer | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | toma: pokes are good | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | next? | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | # | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | Point people towards: Do the merges *before* the rebuilds - we can upload rebuilds after universe freeze a lot easier than new versions | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | * | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | [WWW] http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [WWW] http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [WWW] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - gamin rebuilds. [WWW] https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | 12:18 |
| allee | imbrandon: mhmm? | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | toma: you've got imbrandon too | 12:19 |
| Riddell | how are merges looking? | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | ouch, that pasted badly | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: a lot better when we get the next round of syncs done. | 12:19 |
| Riddell | 0 outstanding merges ooh, nice | 12:19 |
| toma | Hobbsee: true. | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's always said that :P | 12:19 |
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| Hobbsee | we're below 200, which is good. | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | Lure's to deal with kpowersave stuff. | 12:19 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: not always there was a few on there a few days ago | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | wish i knew how | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | although it looks like we wont need to again | 12:20 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: confirmed! | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as the g-p-m looks good | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: crimsun ran a session on it in motu school. | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | i missed it | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: there should be logs | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | there is a log ( OT ) | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: were you going to request testing for g-p-m? | 12:20 |
| Hobbsee | uh oh, glad i looked down | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, although I already have a bunch of fixes that need doing | 12:21 |
| Riddell | where is motu school announced? I always seem to miss it | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | *hits the power button* laptops like juice | 12:21 |
| toma | me too | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: either motu mailing list, or ubuntu-devel? | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | fridge -devel -announce and the fridge cal | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | ah, is that it. | 12:21 |
| toma | oki | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'll whine at people to cross post that | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as i have trouble posting to the lists. | 12:22 |
| === Hobbsee glares at her isp. | ||
| imbrandon | it will always be in the fridge cal | 12:22 |
| Riddell | next item? | 12:22 |
| toma | so when i'm bored, i just pick on of the merges list and do it? | 12:23 |
| === allee wishes (k)ubuntu meetings/school etc would be available via ldap to get them into kontact | ||
| Hobbsee | oops, sorry | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: yep! | 12:23 |
| Riddell | allee: fridge calendar should have ical | 12:23 |
| seaLne | allee: add remote ical? | 12:23 |
| Riddell | toma: please! | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: there are a few things not to touch, but otherwise, yep! | 12:23 |
| toma | well the page states that the owner should do it first | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: dholbach's got a whole stack of merges that he needs done too. | 12:23 |
| toma | how do i know what to touch and what not | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: owner should have done it a while ago if they particularly cared about it | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: dont touch zope and beagle. | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | next item: Are there any performance patches in other distros for KDE that we should be including? Make KDE faster at all? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | toma: at this stage it's the last uploader's problem if they havn't touched it | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | toma: i think that's all | 12:24 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: none that I know of | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:24 |
| allee | Riddell: oh, better than nothing ;) | 12:24 |
| Riddell | although it's always worth keeping an eye on http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/ | 12:24 |
| === Hobbsee heard talk of suse and something or other else having a faster kde. | ||
| toma | Hobbsee: there is a url .. | 12:24 |
| toma | nm | 12:24 |
| imbrandon | allee: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical | 12:24 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: the patches from suse have been put into mainline KDE | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool :) | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | right, cool | 12:25 |
| allee | imbrandon: thx | 12:25 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: someone will always say something else is faster ;) | 12:25 |
| Hobbsee | also, are we supposed to be testing anything specific in edgy at the moment? | 12:25 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: heh, true | 12:25 |
| Riddell | testing: kubuntu-laptop-buttons, and the new power management applet | 12:25 |
| === imbrandon heard someone ranting about kde with a build flag of -0s was faster than -02 , just have to ignore it sometimes | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: gotchat. k-l-b in repos? | 12:26 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, it's kmilo, and it should "just work" | 12:26 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 12:26 |
| Riddell | also testing of this is welcome www.micoulou.info/kformat | 12:27 |
| === Hobbsee hands the "i have a bit on the agenda that i'll talk about now" bar to nixternal | ||
| Riddell | it's a summer of code project | 12:27 |
| nixternal | ummm | 12:27 |
| Riddell | and if someone wants to package it for the guy he'd welcome that | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | nice... | 12:27 |
| Riddell | note that it hasn't worked for me | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | right | 12:27 |
| Riddell | also that with an incorrect click it may well format your hard drive | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | is that that floppy thing ? | 12:28 |
| toma | imbrandon: there was a thread on kde-core-devel a while back about build flags. did not follow it | 12:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hah. just imagine me yelling at you if it did that :P | 12:28 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: floppy and usb key formatter | 12:28 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: you wouldn't be able to :) | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | toma yea i might read the archives the next days and see if there is anything we can use | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ahh i have neither so i wouldent be able to test | 12:28 |
| toma | imbrandon: maybe poke on #kde-devel | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: live cd. | 12:29 |
| seaLne | bah | 12:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: any other plans to take over the world? | 12:29 |
| nixternal | hehe | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: not today, i have a system to clean up. | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do we have any closer location/plans/etc for edgy+1 dev summit? | 12:30 |
| === Hobbsee would like to get to that. | ||
| === Hobbsee would like to meet some of you :) | ||
| imbrandon | kansas city if it was upto me ;) | 12:30 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, although I don't think I'm allowed to say yet (it's not been finally decided) | 12:30 |
| imbrandon | but its not ;( | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool, okay | 12:30 |
| Riddell | but /msg me if you want to find out | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do tell, when you're allowed to :P | 12:31 |
| === Hobbsee /msg's | ||
| Riddell | nixternal had an item | 12:31 |
| nixternal | yup | 12:31 |
| nixternal | Edgy Eft Knot Releases.... | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. nixternal shoot | 12:31 |
| nixternal | here we go | 12:31 |
| nixternal | * Good job Riddell on posting the 6.06.1 LTS Released on Kubuntu.org as we are the only group out of all the *ubuntu's that let people know it is out, besides the Announcement ML. | 12:31 |
| nixternal | i just realised this! | 12:32 |
| Riddell | maybe I should post to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users too | 12:32 |
| nixternal | so... | 12:32 |
| toma | yes please | 12:32 |
| nixternal | * OK, now where are the list of changes from 6.06 to 6.06.1? If I am Joe Shmoe, the typical user, why should I download this and install it? Why is it better then 6.06? | 12:32 |
| imbrandon | yea , maybe even dot.kde ? | 12:32 |
| seaLne | torrents downloads have been less than for 6.06 up till now | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | oh man, i'm trying to recursively backup. that wont work. | 12:32 |
| nixternal | i can create a "Release" with that information if needed | 12:32 |
| Riddell | nixternal: on the whole you shouldn't download it | 12:32 |
| Riddell | only download if you can't get to dapper-updates for some reason | 12:33 |
| Riddell | the list of changes is in kamion's announcement | 12:33 |
| nixternal | true...you and i know that, but joe shmoe doesn't | 12:33 |
| Riddell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-August/000088.html | 12:33 |
| nixternal | the typical user just sees it as something else to download because there isn't any more info about it, other than locations to download it | 12:33 |
| seaLne | so effectivly all that should be happening is that people trying to download dapper you get .1? | 12:34 |
| Riddell | seaLne: yes | 12:34 |
| Riddell | so the 6.06 on the mirrors is now a link to 6.06.1 | 12:34 |
| seaLne | so it shouldn't really be big news | 12:34 |
| Riddell | it's not | 12:34 |
| seaLne | ah | 12:34 |
| nixternal | i think there needs to be a write up for the public to view that tells them about the release, why it was released, and what was fixed and what not | 12:34 |
| === toma is confused about this. I thought backports were not possible yet? | ||
| Riddell | toma: there's no backports in this | 12:35 |
| seaLne | backports is different from updates/security | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | toma its not backports its a security rollup and new cd images | 12:35 |
| nixternal | if that isn't what we want to do, then maybe we should pull the release announcement from the site? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | only dapper-updates, which is very small bugfixes | 12:35 |
| Riddell | and -security yes | 12:35 |
| toma | okay | 12:35 |
| nixternal | ok..besides that...i wanted to get edgy here | 12:35 |
| nixternal | this will be brief and painful | 12:35 |
| nixternal | i mean painless | 12:36 |
| toma | but someone at the office told me he got a new gnome from updates, that does not sound minor | 12:36 |
| nixternal | * Time to get Edgy! | 12:36 |
| nixternal | First things first. The codename of Dapper+1 will be: The Edgy Eft | 12:36 |
| nixternal | And here's why. Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge, | 12:36 |
| nixternal | brand new code and infrastructure. It will be the right time to bring in | 12:36 |
| nixternal | some seriously interesting but definitely edgy new technologies which | 12:36 |
| nixternal | lay the groundwork for the next wave of Ubuntu development. | 12:36 |
| nixternal | that is what sabdfl said in his announcement concerning edgy eft | 12:36 |
| nixternal | we all know that, and more and more people are reading it, and wondering what the KDE guys are doing to make this stand true | 12:37 |
| nixternal | like you, i get tired of the AIX/GLX/Compiz stuff at times...but they want to know | 12:37 |
| nixternal | so on i go | 12:37 |
| nixternal | * OK, some common gripes and questions towards the release notes for Edgy Knot2, and probably the same for future releases: | 12:37 |
| nixternal | 1.) What is bleeding edge about KDE 3.5.4? KDE 4 is bleeding edge for us, and there is nothing we can do until Edgy+1. People are starting to understand that. | 12:37 |
| imbrandon | ... | 12:37 |
| nixternal | ... | 12:37 |
| nixternal | you are good imbrandon ;) | 12:38 |
| toma | well, 1 is true ;-) | 12:38 |
| toma | next? | 12:38 |
| nixternal | 2.) OK, KDE 3.5.4 is signifagant for Edgy Knot 2 w/o a doubt, but what else is "edgy" in the release? | 12:38 |
| nixternal | * This is the one that keeps getting asked towards the Kubuntu release for Knot 2. | 12:38 |
| nixternal | * Ubuntu & Gnome have some new cool toys that I have observed (thats about all I know of them though) | 12:38 |
| nixternal | 3.) I think you see where I am going with those, anyways, we need to start selling these releases, and the coolness factor will definitely help. | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: g-p-m and k-l-b stuff. | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: and updated packages | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | like kopete, amarok, etc | 12:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: have you ready sabdfl's blog on this? | 12:39 |
| Riddell | s/y// | 12:39 |
| nixternal | yes Riddell, and I have been pulling inspiration from it as well | 12:39 |
| unix_infidel | . | 12:39 |
| sebas | KDE is frozen, that's true, but we have cool new stuff in amarok, for example. | 12:39 |
| imbrandon | ... /me looks confused like he steped into a marketing meeting ;) | 12:39 |
| Riddell | I've always said that edgy won't be a major change for kubuntu, since kde 4 isn't happening yet at the distro level | 12:39 |
| sebas | Digikam is also rocking, in general: we could concentrate more on apps than on infrastructure. | 12:40 |
| nixternal | I hope you guys understand, KDE is me, I want Kubuntu to be the baddest release and have the most rockin' following, and kick arse release stuff..we need to sell it in a way..get people excited | 12:40 |
| sebas | Not that GNOME has too much staggering stuff to offer | 12:40 |
| nixternal | sebas: +1 if it is rockin' and jammin ;) | 12:40 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what have you observed in gnome? | 12:40 |
| toma | nixternal: digikam 0.9 is experimental, we can add that ;-) | 12:40 |
| sebas | If KDE is finished by then :) | 12:40 |
| Lure | btw, should we move digikam to main and in kubuntu-desktop? | 12:40 |
| sebas | KDE4 that is. | 12:40 |
| nixternal | the telepathy stuff off hand | 12:40 |
| nixternal | im trying to remember the others, as I don't play iwth gnome ;) | 12:41 |
| nixternal | only kde and kde edu | 12:41 |
| Lure | toma: +1 | 12:41 |
| nixternal | cool toma, it will get added | 12:41 |
| seaLne | digikam would be good in main | 12:41 |
| Riddell | I don't want to put digikam in main until it automatically detects my camera | 12:42 |
| toma | Riddell: which one? | 12:42 |
| nixternal | everyone one of you have provided to the release notes, and it kicks arse in my view, but we need some killer stuff to spark excitement..that is about it ;) | 12:42 |
| sebas | Riddell: What camera is it? | 12:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: buy new camera ;-) | 12:42 |
| nixternal | hehe | 12:42 |
| sebas | And it's a gphoto problem, most probably. | 12:42 |
| seaLne | from the kubuntu supported list :) | 12:42 |
| nixternal | it detects my c700 ultra zoom ;) | 12:42 |
| seaLne | my 350d is occasionally detected | 12:42 |
| Riddell | it's a Kodak thingy, works great with gphoto2, but digikam needed me to add it manually, I want digikam to pop up and say "let me download from this camera you just plugged in" | 12:43 |
| toma | Riddell: try digikam 0.9 or the latest from the 0.8 series, it should work | 12:43 |
| === Lure uses card reader for photo download | ||
| Riddell | toma: got packages of 0.9? | 12:43 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Is telepathy KDE based? I doubt it | 12:43 |
| nixternal | you guys have anything you think/want added to the releases that are, in Riddell's words, "Rocking" or "Groovy", message me the information, poke me, add a == Header == on the wiki and i will get on it | 12:43 |
| toma | Riddell: debian experimental, or for dapper from my repository | 12:43 |
| nixternal | no DaSkreech, i believe it is ubuntu only | 12:43 |
| Riddell | toma: I'll give it a shot | 12:43 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: decebel is the equivalent thing in kde 4 | 12:43 |
| nixternal | i can put my kflickr package on there ;) | 12:43 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: URL? | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | hahah Riddell yea i have the same camera i bet, i have to do the same thing and its a kodac something | 12:44 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: http://decibel.kde.org/ | 12:44 |
| Riddell | I think it's equivalent anyway | 12:44 |
| toma | some of the problems in digikam are caused by the media:/ and by gphoto | 12:45 |
| DaSkreech | Well are there any good packages that will miss the Kubuntu ship date? | 12:45 |
| toma | dont blame that on digikam ;-) | 12:45 |
| nixternal | hehe | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: arent there always? | 12:45 |
| toma | sime's patches will help here as well | 12:45 |
| DaSkreech | Perhaps we could ship stable(ized) SVN Builds of them | 12:45 |
| seaLne | just means more time to get them ready for +1 | 12:45 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: none that I know of assuming we get 3.5.5 in | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: there are plans for a 3.5.5? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | I don't know the release date for kdevelop 3.4 | 12:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: there are, sometime next month | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 12:46 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: make it to edgy? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: I hope so | 12:46 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 12:46 |
| DaSkreech | Offtopic but is Xen getting in? | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: xen is in | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | already | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yes | 12:47 |
| DaSkreech | Default? | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | no | 12:47 |
| toma | xen rocks | 12:47 |
| DaSkreech | damn | 12:47 |
| Riddell | zul is working on xen as I remember | 12:47 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: it's not default, it even has a separate linux source package | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | zul just uploaded updates to it yesterday | 12:47 |
| Riddell | anyway, next item | 12:47 |
| Riddell | seaLne... | 12:48 |
| === Hobbsee may get disconnected here | ||
| seaLne | k3b and cdrecording is currently broken in edgy | 12:48 |
| DaSkreech | Bye Hobbsee | 12:48 |
| seaLne | i think bug #54828 is the problem | 12:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54828 in cdrtools "cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54828 | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | yea it has to do the the recorder perm;s in /dev | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | it works if you kdesu it | 12:49 |
| seaLne | no it dosen't | 12:49 |
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| seaLne | it seems to be kernel permissions not file permissions | 12:49 |
| sebas | Aye, again kernel and cdrecord devs fighting each other, it seems? | 12:49 |
| Lure | seaLne: I have seen a story on LWN that Linus have put some SCSI command filtering in... | 12:50 |
| seaLne | cdrom members can erase cds quite happily from cdrecord can't burn | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | that was relatively painless. | 12:50 |
| sebas | What kernel will edgy ship with? | 12:50 |
| sebas | .18? | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: no | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | .17 | 12:50 |
| seaLne | sebas: possibly google seems to suggest that it requires special permissions which presumably were available previously | 12:50 |
| Lure | seaLne: might be this: http://lwn.net/Articles/193516 | 12:50 |
| allee | Lure: yes | 12:51 |
| === sebas reads. | ||
| Riddell | I wonder if gnome is affected, I assume it must be | 12:51 |
| sebas | But I guess that's Ben's business. | 12:51 |
| seaLne | yep scsi_ioctl was what i had narrowed it down to | 12:51 |
| seaLne | anything using cdrecord is broken | 12:52 |
| seaLne | and possibly any other way of writing cds | 12:52 |
| toma | i assume that will be fixed before release | 12:52 |
| Lure | seaLne: but probably just for specific writers... | 12:52 |
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| seaLne | i have tried on different writers and so have the various bug reporters | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | uh oh, breakage | 12:53 |
| Riddell | I'm sure I didn't have a problem burning CDs with knot 1 | 12:53 |
| Lure | btw, is k3b 1.0 planned to be released before edgy release? | 12:53 |
| === Hobbsee had to run as root to make it work | ||
| seaLne | no plans afaik | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | yea i had to kdesu it to make it work | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | but it worked | 12:53 |
| seaLne | i have done some packaging of 1.0pre1 | 12:53 |
| seaLne | had to remove a few patches as they are now fixed | 12:54 |
| Lure | seaLne: you have repo of pre1? | 12:54 |
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| seaLne | http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/ i'm having some problems with compiling on my machine but Hobbsee says she managed it | 12:55 |
| nixternal_ | yay | 12:55 |
| seaLne | so if anyone could build that for i386 i'd like a copy :) | 12:55 |
| seaLne | if not let me know if it dosen't build | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | if Hobbsee built it its likely in my /var/cache/pbuilder/result as she builds on my machines alot | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | i've got copies of it on voyager, imbrandon | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 12:56 |
| === Hobbsee has been giving it a good workout lately :P | ||
| Hobbsee | beats the uni connection for getting build deps | 12:56 |
| seaLne | i'm not suggesting 1.0pre1 should go into edgy tho as there is not plan as yet for release of 1.0 | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: i'll upload it a bit later and shott you a link if its in my ..../result dir | 12:57 |
| toma | why not? | 12:57 |
| imbrandon | s/shott/shoot | 12:57 |
| seaLne | "This preview is not intended for daily use but for testing and bug hunting" | 12:57 |
| Riddell | I'll upgrade to edgy tomorrow on my CD burning machine and give it a shot, if it breaks I'll be poking benc lots until it's fixed | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | hehhe | 12:58 |
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| seaLne | right, that was sort of what i was wanting to sort out at the meeting, what would happen now | 12:58 |
| toma | seaLne: i expect a bit more from a preview release | 12:58 |
| seaLne | toma: well as i haven't actually managed to run it yet i'm not in a situation to even guess yet and not being able to write cds anyway dosen't help | 12:59 |
| Riddell | seaLne: I can make noises about it at the next distro meeting | 12:59 |
| seaLne | thanks | 01:00 |
| Riddell | Day changed to 11 Aug 2006 | 01:00 |
| Riddell | good time to close the meeting :) | 01:00 |
| Riddell | any other business | 01:00 |
| toma | 1am here | 01:00 |
| Riddell | bipolar? | 01:00 |
| toma | media backend? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | xine | 01:00 |
| Riddell | since there's no signs of kaffeine and/or amaork getting gstreamer usable | 01:01 |
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| toma | anything else? | 01:01 |
| DaSkreech | Edgy will be purple? | 01:01 |
| sebas | Hasn't gstreamer been removed from upstream amarok? | 01:01 |
| Riddell | sebas: yes | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech: yes | 01:01 |
| Riddell | which doesn't stop red hat from using it :) | 01:02 |
| sebas | Anyway, no way gstreamer will be usable for most stuff before edgy becomes an eft. | 01:02 |
| DaSkreech | As long as it gets in before the feature freeze? | 01:02 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: purple seems to be the way we're going | 01:02 |
| Riddell | I like purple | 01:02 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I like the uber sexy logout buttons | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: no k3b in edgy result, did you build it for dapper ? | 01:02 |
| sebas | Yeah, but now amarok people hate redhat, we don't want that since amarok people are mostly really nice folks. | 01:02 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: that's just a mockup | 01:03 |
| DaSkreech | I know | 01:03 |
| DaSkreech | Doesn't stop it being uber sexy :) | 01:03 |
| Riddell | any volunteers to clean up the Meetings wiki page? | 01:04 |
| === sebas volunteers to join Kim in bed. | ||
| sebas | Riddell: I might clean up the PM stuff and separate GUI from functionality code, I assume that's OK with you? | 01:04 |
| Riddell | next meeting will be after distro sprint (anyone near Weisbaden?) | 01:05 |
| Riddell | sebas: sure, see also el's comments on the spec wiki page | 01:05 |
| sebas | Wiesbaden is 3 hours from here, when's the sprint? | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | hold the meeting, it cqant yet end! | 01:05 |
| sebas | Yup, read them. | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | er, end yet | 01:05 |
| Riddell | sebas: week after next | 01:05 |
| === toma pokes allee | ||
| allee | toma: mhmm? | 01:06 |
| toma | allee: wiesbaden! | 01:06 |
| sebas | Week after next what? :D | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: no, only in edgy | 01:06 |
| Riddell | sebas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: dont stop the meeting yet!!! | 01:06 |
| sebas | I'm pretty busy travelling in sept already. | 01:06 |
| allee | toma: yeah, I know. Unfortunately I don't know if I'll have free time :( | 01:06 |
| === Hobbsee has two more bits. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: /query? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | Monday 21st | 01:06 |
| allee | toma: you plan to go? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I did ask if you had any other plans to take over the world :) | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, i know, but i'v ejust remembered a couple while i was afk | 01:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: let's hear them | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | ... | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | a) Riddell: were you going to announce my title, seeing as it hasnt been announced anywhere else? | 01:07 |
| toma | allee: did not think about it | 01:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I was going to propse it | 01:08 |
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| Riddell | is there a b)? | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | b) can i get everyone to give me a list of packages that they particularly want to maintain in edgy+1? ie, you dotn *have* to, but it'll be known that you're the person who usually does the fixes | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | sure, just typing nwo | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | like me and kopete/amarok | 01:09 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: that would be good for a wiki probably | 01:09 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: i'd like to keep working on k3b | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as that cuts down on crazy duplication | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, definetly | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: yep | 01:09 |
| Riddell | I'd like all of KDE please | 01:09 |
| toma | Hobbsee: can you send a mail to -devel ? | 01:09 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm there was BEats of Rage But looking at it it doesn't really need a maintainer | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: haha. sure :) | 01:09 |
| toma | or to me personally ? | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | toma: yeah, you may need to poke me | 01:09 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: make a /KubuntuMaintainers and poke it on the next agenda for everyone to fill in | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | yay, more breakage :) | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: cool, okay | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that was all, so far. | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do your proposal :P | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | better still, let me restart x, then do your proposal | 01:10 |
| Riddell | so the title thing was that back when MOTU started we were going to have team leaders | 01:10 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: get some milk lol | 01:10 |
| seaLne | and use irssi+screen :) | 01:11 |
| Riddell | irssi+screen rocks | 01:11 |
| allee | Hobbsee: people specially interested in a given pkg should subscribe to it in lauchpad | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea | 01:11 |
| toma | so we all need to wait for hobbsee's restart? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | we should hold one of those classes for irssi+screen | 01:11 |
| Riddell | toma: seems so | 01:11 |
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| === toma is sleepy and has to work soon | ||
| sebas | Hehe, right, Riddell. | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | oh crap. | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | sorry, what'd i miss? | 01:12 |
| Riddell | 00:10 < Riddell> so the title thing was that back when MOTU started we were going to have team leaders | 01:12 |
| allee | [01:11] <allee> Hobbsee: people specially interested in a given pkg should subscribe to it in lauchpad | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | allee: true, i was more meaning in terms of asking for upgrades | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear...major breakage :( | 01:12 |
| imbrandon | allee: +1 but a wiki for the kubuntu ppl that want to be resp would be nice too | 01:12 |
| seaLne | allee: then we'd get 2 mails about it | 01:12 |
| Riddell | and since Hobbsee recons she can do a good job of organising people we thought we could make her kubuntu community manager and see what she does with it | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:13 |
| bipolar | Riddell: I'll look into amarok-gstreamer for 0.10 | 01:13 |
| toma | what does that mean? | 01:13 |
| allee | seaLne: I filter them seperately | 01:13 |
| seaLne | so do i | 01:13 |
| imbrandon | bipolar: gstreamer was droped in amarok | 01:13 |
| sebas | bipolar: You'll piss off amarok upstream then. | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | and debian | 01:14 |
| sebas | They don't want the bugreports of an engine that's removed on purpose. | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'll take over the world with it, of course | 01:14 |
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| toma | Hobbsee: congrats! | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | toma: :) | 01:14 |
| toma | Hobbsee: i'm sure you'll do a nice job, poking as usual ;-) | 01:15 |
| imbrandon | congrats Hobbsee ( although i dunno what will change much heheh ) | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | toma: hehe! of course! | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's an official title, which is nice :) | 01:15 |
| toma | ah, so it is official poking now | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | means i can officially boss you all around :P | 01:15 |
| toma | wonder how that feels ;-) | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 01:15 |
| seaLne | Hobbsee: we even had to change the threat level in the UK to stop you sneaking in inside someone book or bottle of juice | 01:15 |
| allee | Hobbsee: oh, official? then I congrat you officially :) | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: hahaha | 01:15 |
| seaLne | your plans are foiled :) | 01:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: how official is it? | 01:15 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: since the meeting seems to generally be happy with it, totally | 01:16 |
| === DaSkreech hands Hobbsee a stick sharpener | ||
| === allee +1 | ||
| imbrandon | well you all are the KCC you decide how "offical" it is hehe | 01:16 |
| === sebas congrats Hobbsee. | ||
| toma | Hobbsee: are there any targets, like 600 pokes a year? | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i meant with sabdfl, and all that. | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | and the CC | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 01:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: CC meeting has been scheduled, we'll take it to them then | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nice :) | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: when is it? | 01:17 |
| sebas | What is CC? | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | community council | 01:17 |
| sebas | Aye, thx. | 01:17 |
| DaSkreech | Canonical Control | 01:17 |
| DaSkreech | *cough* | 01:17 |
| toma | ;-) | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | ok we done ? | 01:17 |
| imbrandon | heh | 01:17 |
| sebas | Cooler Cubuntu | 01:17 |
| seaLne | DaSkreech: thats called marketing | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | next meeting? | 01:17 |
| toma | three weeks? | 01:18 |
| Riddell | monday 14th at 16:00utc | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | what the hell? | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: kk adding to fridge now | 01:18 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:18 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: that's where I got it from | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | what's 1600UTC in aest? | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | 2100 is 7am | 01:18 |
| sebas | 2am | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh holy crud. | 01:18 |
| === Hobbsee likely wont make that meeting then. | ||
| Hobbsee | i migth, we'll see | 01:19 |
| sebas | AEST is Australia? | 01:19 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: We could poke you :) | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: yes. aus eastern standard time | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yeah. Riddell woudl get an earful over it. | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: we'll all skype your phone | 01:19 |
| sebas | Ah, where are you located? | 01:19 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: sydney | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | sydney | 01:19 |
| sebas | Ok! | 01:19 |
| toma | nite all | 01:20 |
| === sebas installed basket, wondering what it does. | ||
| Riddell | I'm about to collapse too, end of meeting, thanks all | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | no time for breakfast :( | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | night all | 01:20 |
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| Hobbsee | night Riddell, thanks for the call | 01:20 |
| imbrandon | gnight Riddell | 01:20 |
| allee | toma: nite | 01:20 |
| allee | nite all too | 01:20 |
| sebas | ------------------------------- | 01:20 |
| sebas | (end) | 01:20 |
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| seaLne | sebas: the dev version of basket is v nice | 01:20 |
| sebas | seaLne: I've installed a package, it has a nice icon. :-) | 01:21 |
| DaSkreech | sebas: I installed it. It's a basket | 01:21 |
| DaSkreech | Don't put all your python eggs into it | 01:21 |
| seaLne | think one note etc | 01:21 |
| seaLne | a way to organise stuff | 01:21 |
| seaLne | anyway bed | 01:21 |
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| sebas | Ah, first thing it did is crashing. | 01:21 |
| DaSkreech | It lost a whole set of notes I made :-( | 01:22 |
| DaSkreech | Course that was in the Great Power comany fiasco | 01:22 |
| sebas | I'll have to keep using subversion then ;-) | 01:22 |
| sebas | gnight all, I'm on CEST and becoming tired. | 01:22 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Aug 16:00 UTC: Community Council | 15 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
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| rexbron | asdjfze;f | 02:54 |
| rexbron | god damn cat | 02:54 |
| Hawkwind | rexbron: Easy on the language please | 02:58 |
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| rexbron | its my sisters cat | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | lol | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | I was trying to figure out which file you ran the cat command on | 03:19 |
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| digitalmouse | my ferret has the same problem :-p | 10:58 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01:28 |
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