[12:10] ryanakca: Well at least a script that comments out wacom stuff if not detetected [12:10] man thats gonna require an audit of nearly every univserse package though [12:10] yeah [12:10] heh [12:10] Hobbsee: amarok upstream version freeze request is just an e-mail to mdz and kamion with changelog and confirmation that it's been tested and works well [12:10] Hobbsee: CC me so I can confirm too [12:10] Hobbsee, imbrandon IMHO kdebluetooth should not start when not available and menues can be rearranged ;) Maybe file bugs so it get's not forgotten? [12:10] allee: yea it dosent start just gets in my way on the kmenu [12:10] i will [12:11] Riddell: cool, thanks [12:11] allee: yeah. point. === Hobbsee filed enough bugs last night :P [12:11] universe upload team? [12:11] tell us more Hobbsee [12:11] ok i'm done , i see it as wait and see how recomends works out [12:12] Riddell: about? what bugs i filed? one heck of a lot of syncs. i went from the unvierse "p [12:12] 's" to partway thru the "s'" [12:12] Hobbsee: about universe upload team [12:12] [17:11] universe upload team? < about that [12:12] ;-) === toma gives Hobbsee coffee [12:12] oh right [12:12] it's part of my plan to take over the world. [12:13] There now exists a universe uploads team: [WWW] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors You can use this if there's no one around to upload, or you prefer to do it via LP, etc. Please attach a debdiff between current debian, and your version (for merges, at least). Syncs too. [12:13] toma: i dont drink the stuff :P [12:13] Hobbsee: naughty girl.. ;) [12:13] that'll be the problem [12:13] looks kinda like a "mentors" type project from debian , witch i think ubuntu needs [12:13] i know, but how to ping those people properly? [12:13] 1) Take over the World [12:13] 2)...... [12:13] 3) Profit!! [12:13] rationalle: it's quite hard to get stuff uploaded to universe, if you dotn konw the people [12:13] debian-mentors is a good way to get ignored [12:13] toma: how to ping which people? [12:13] toma: irc, usually [12:14] pitti announced it here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html [12:14] Hobbsee: yes, that's true. however it's significantly more easy than with debian [12:14] Riddell: ahh. missed that, something screwed up my ubuntu-devel mailing list subscription [12:14] seaLne: ?? [12:15] my worry is that if I subscribe to that I'll be flodded with upload requests for stuff I don't care or know about [12:15] imbrandon: just bitching [12:15] Riddell: that's why you're not on the team? [12:15] bbiab, supper [12:15] Riddell: :P [12:15] Hobbsee: I'm not on the team because I only just read pitti's e-mail :) [12:15] Riddell: you allready get flooded with wiki updates, don't you? [12:15] heh you can always un-join ;) [12:15] Riddell: it's not kubuntu specific, i havent seen you listed on there. oh, and if you try to, i'll just kick you off, because i can! :D [12:15] ryanakca: naw, I filter out all but *kubuntu* [12:15] nice :) [12:16] imbrandon: it's *far* more fun to kick the leading kubuntu dev off though [12:16] lol === Riddell wonders who's on the main team [12:17] a fair number https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-main-sponsors [12:17] brb mt dew refill ( btw takin collections for a fast food resturant soda fountain for my computer lab here at home , lol just kidding ) [12:17] but I should probably subscribe incase kde stuff comes onto it [12:17] yea good idea /me looks at allee and toma too [12:17] Riddell: sounds sane. or someone could just poke you for kde based stuff [12:18] poking usually works best with me === Hobbsee pokes Riddell with her long pointy stick. you did ask for it :P [12:18] imbrandon: well, i like the idea, but talking to Hobbsee and Riddell works ok too. I was wondering what they prefer [12:18] toma: pokes are good [12:18] next? [12:18] # [12:18] Point people towards: Do the merges *before* the rebuilds - we can upload rebuilds after universe freeze a lot easier than new versions [12:18] * [12:18] [WWW] http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [WWW] http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [WWW] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - gamin rebuilds. [WWW] https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [12:19] imbrandon: mhmm? [12:19] toma: you've got imbrandon too [12:19] how are merges looking? [12:19] ouch, that pasted badly [12:19] Riddell: a lot better when we get the next round of syncs done. [12:19] 0 outstanding merges ooh, nice [12:19] Hobbsee: true. [12:19] Riddell: it's always said that :P === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:19] we're below 200, which is good. [12:19] Lure's to deal with kpowersave stuff. [12:19] Hobbsee: not always there was a few on there a few days ago [12:20] wish i knew how [12:20] although it looks like we wont need to again [12:20] Hobbsee: confirmed! [12:20] seeing as the g-p-m looks good [12:20] gnomefreak: crimsun ran a session on it in motu school. [12:20] i missed it [12:20] gnomefreak: there should be logs [12:20] there is a log ( OT ) [12:20] Riddell: were you going to request testing for g-p-m? [12:21] uh oh, glad i looked down [12:21] Hobbsee: yes, although I already have a bunch of fixes that need doing [12:21] where is motu school announced? I always seem to miss it [12:21] *hits the power button* laptops like juice [12:21] me too [12:21] Riddell: either motu mailing list, or ubuntu-devel? [12:21] fridge -devel -announce and the fridge cal [12:21] ah, is that it. [12:21] oki [12:22] Riddell: i'll whine at people to cross post that [12:22] seeing as i have trouble posting to the lists. === Hobbsee glares at her isp. [12:22] it will always be in the fridge cal [12:22] next item? [12:23] so when i'm bored, i just pick on of the merges list and do it? === allee wishes (k)ubuntu meetings/school etc would be available via ldap to get them into kontact [12:23] oops, sorry [12:23] toma: yep! [12:23] allee: fridge calendar should have ical [12:23] allee: add remote ical? [12:23] toma: please! [12:23] toma: there are a few things not to touch, but otherwise, yep! [12:23] well the page states that the owner should do it first [12:23] toma: dholbach's got a whole stack of merges that he needs done too. [12:23] how do i know what to touch and what not [12:23] toma: owner should have done it a while ago if they particularly cared about it [12:24] toma: dont touch zope and beagle. [12:24] next item: Are there any performance patches in other distros for KDE that we should be including? Make KDE faster at all? [12:24] toma: at this stage it's the last uploader's problem if they havn't touched it [12:24] toma: i think that's all [12:24] Hobbsee: none that I know of [12:24] right [12:24] Riddell: oh, better than nothing ;) [12:24] although it's always worth keeping an eye on http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/ === Hobbsee heard talk of suse and something or other else having a faster kde. [12:24] Hobbsee: there is a url .. [12:24] nm [12:24] allee: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical [12:24] Hobbsee: the patches from suse have been put into mainline KDE [12:24] Riddell: cool :) [12:25] right, cool [12:25] imbrandon: thx [12:25] Hobbsee: someone will always say something else is faster ;) [12:25] also, are we supposed to be testing anything specific in edgy at the moment? [12:25] imbrandon: heh, true [12:25] testing: kubuntu-laptop-buttons, and the new power management applet === imbrandon heard someone ranting about kde with a build flag of -0s was faster than -02 , just have to ignore it sometimes [12:26] Riddell: gotchat. k-l-b in repos? [12:26] Hobbsee: yes, it's kmilo, and it should "just work" [12:26] cool [12:27] also testing of this is welcome www.micoulou.info/kformat === Hobbsee hands the "i have a bit on the agenda that i'll talk about now" bar to nixternal [12:27] it's a summer of code project [12:27] ummm [12:27] and if someone wants to package it for the guy he'd welcome that [12:27] nice... [12:27] note that it hasn't worked for me [12:27] right [12:27] also that with an incorrect click it may well format your hard drive [12:28] is that that floppy thing ? [12:28] imbrandon: there was a thread on kde-core-devel a while back about build flags. did not follow it [12:28] Riddell: hah. just imagine me yelling at you if it did that :P [12:28] imbrandon: floppy and usb key formatter [12:28] Hobbsee: you wouldn't be able to :) [12:28] toma yea i might read the archives the next days and see if there is anything we can use [12:28] Riddell: ahh i have neither so i wouldent be able to test [12:29] imbrandon: maybe poke on #kde-devel [12:29] seaLne: live cd. [12:29] bah [12:29] Hobbsee: any other plans to take over the world? [12:29] hehe [12:29] ;) [12:30] Riddell: not today, i have a system to clean up. [12:30] Riddell: do we have any closer location/plans/etc for edgy+1 dev summit? === Hobbsee would like to get to that. === Hobbsee would like to meet some of you :) [12:30] kansas city if it was upto me ;) [12:30] Hobbsee: yes, although I don't think I'm allowed to say yet (it's not been finally decided) [12:30] but its not ;( [12:30] Riddell: cool, okay [12:31] but /msg me if you want to find out [12:31] Riddell: do tell, when you're allowed to :P === Hobbsee /msg's [12:31] nixternal had an item [12:31] yup [12:31] Edgy Eft Knot Releases.... [12:31] indeed. nixternal shoot [12:31] here we go [12:31] * Good job Riddell on posting the 6.06.1 LTS Released on Kubuntu.org as we are the only group out of all the *ubuntu's that let people know it is out, besides the Announcement ML. [12:32] i just realised this! [12:32] maybe I should post to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users too [12:32] so... [12:32] yes please [12:32] * OK, now where are the list of changes from 6.06 to 6.06.1? If I am Joe Shmoe, the typical user, why should I download this and install it? Why is it better then 6.06? [12:32] yea , maybe even dot.kde ? [12:32] torrents downloads have been less than for 6.06 up till now [12:32] oh man, i'm trying to recursively backup. that wont work. [12:32] i can create a "Release" with that information if needed [12:32] nixternal: on the whole you shouldn't download it [12:33] only download if you can't get to dapper-updates for some reason [12:33] the list of changes is in kamion's announcement [12:33] true...you and i know that, but joe shmoe doesn't [12:33] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-August/000088.html [12:33] the typical user just sees it as something else to download because there isn't any more info about it, other than locations to download it [12:34] so effectivly all that should be happening is that people trying to download dapper you get .1? [12:34] seaLne: yes [12:34] so the 6.06 on the mirrors is now a link to 6.06.1 [12:34] so it shouldn't really be big news [12:34] it's not [12:34] ah [12:34] i think there needs to be a write up for the public to view that tells them about the release, why it was released, and what was fixed and what not === toma is confused about this. I thought backports were not possible yet? [12:35] toma: there's no backports in this [12:35] backports is different from updates/security [12:35] toma its not backports its a security rollup and new cd images [12:35] if that isn't what we want to do, then maybe we should pull the release announcement from the site? [12:35] only dapper-updates, which is very small bugfixes [12:35] and -security yes [12:35] okay [12:35] ok..besides that...i wanted to get edgy here [12:35] this will be brief and painful [12:36] i mean painless [12:36] but someone at the office told me he got a new gnome from updates, that does not sound minor [12:36] * Time to get Edgy! [12:36] First things first. The codename of Dapper+1 will be: The Edgy Eft [12:36] And here's why. Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge, [12:36] brand new code and infrastructure. It will be the right time to bring in [12:36] some seriously interesting but definitely edgy new technologies which [12:36] lay the groundwork for the next wave of Ubuntu development. [12:36] that is what sabdfl said in his announcement concerning edgy eft [12:37] we all know that, and more and more people are reading it, and wondering what the KDE guys are doing to make this stand true [12:37] like you, i get tired of the AIX/GLX/Compiz stuff at times...but they want to know [12:37] so on i go [12:37] * OK, some common gripes and questions towards the release notes for Edgy Knot2, and probably the same for future releases: [12:37] 1.) What is bleeding edge about KDE 3.5.4? KDE 4 is bleeding edge for us, and there is nothing we can do until Edgy+1. People are starting to understand that. [12:37] ... [12:37] ... [12:38] you are good imbrandon ;) [12:38] well, 1 is true ;-) [12:38] next? [12:38] 2.) OK, KDE 3.5.4 is signifagant for Edgy Knot 2 w/o a doubt, but what else is "edgy" in the release? [12:38] * This is the one that keeps getting asked towards the Kubuntu release for Knot 2. [12:38] * Ubuntu & Gnome have some new cool toys that I have observed (thats about all I know of them though) [12:38] 3.) I think you see where I am going with those, anyways, we need to start selling these releases, and the coolness factor will definitely help. [12:38] nixternal: g-p-m and k-l-b stuff. [12:38] nixternal: and updated packages [12:38] like kopete, amarok, etc [12:39] nixternal: have you ready sabdfl's blog on this? [12:39] s/y// [12:39] yes Riddell, and I have been pulling inspiration from it as well [12:39] . [12:39] KDE is frozen, that's true, but we have cool new stuff in amarok, for example. [12:39] ... /me looks confused like he steped into a marketing meeting ;) [12:39] I've always said that edgy won't be a major change for kubuntu, since kde 4 isn't happening yet at the distro level [12:40] Digikam is also rocking, in general: we could concentrate more on apps than on infrastructure. [12:40] I hope you guys understand, KDE is me, I want Kubuntu to be the baddest release and have the most rockin' following, and kick arse release stuff..we need to sell it in a way..get people excited [12:40] Not that GNOME has too much staggering stuff to offer [12:40] sebas: +1 if it is rockin' and jammin ;) [12:40] nixternal: what have you observed in gnome? [12:40] nixternal: digikam 0.9 is experimental, we can add that ;-) [12:40] If KDE is finished by then :) [12:40] btw, should we move digikam to main and in kubuntu-desktop? [12:40] KDE4 that is. [12:40] the telepathy stuff off hand [12:41] im trying to remember the others, as I don't play iwth gnome ;) [12:41] only kde and kde edu [12:41] toma: +1 [12:41] cool toma, it will get added [12:41] digikam would be good in main [12:42] I don't want to put digikam in main until it automatically detects my camera [12:42] Riddell: which one? [12:42] everyone one of you have provided to the release notes, and it kicks arse in my view, but we need some killer stuff to spark excitement..that is about it ;) [12:42] Riddell: What camera is it? [12:42] Riddell: buy new camera ;-) [12:42] hehe [12:42] And it's a gphoto problem, most probably. [12:42] from the kubuntu supported list :) [12:42] it detects my c700 ultra zoom ;) [12:42] my 350d is occasionally detected [12:43] it's a Kodak thingy, works great with gphoto2, but digikam needed me to add it manually, I want digikam to pop up and say "let me download from this camera you just plugged in" [12:43] Riddell: try digikam 0.9 or the latest from the 0.8 series, it should work === Lure uses card reader for photo download [12:43] toma: got packages of 0.9? [12:43] nixternal: Is telepathy KDE based? I doubt it [12:43] you guys have anything you think/want added to the releases that are, in Riddell's words, "Rocking" or "Groovy", message me the information, poke me, add a == Header == on the wiki and i will get on it [12:43] Riddell: debian experimental, or for dapper from my repository [12:43] no DaSkreech, i believe it is ubuntu only [12:43] toma: I'll give it a shot [12:43] DaSkreech: decebel is the equivalent thing in kde 4 [12:43] i can put my kflickr package on there ;) [12:44] Riddell: URL? [12:44] hahah Riddell yea i have the same camera i bet, i have to do the same thing and its a kodac something [12:44] DaSkreech: http://decibel.kde.org/ [12:44] I think it's equivalent anyway [12:45] some of the problems in digikam are caused by the media:/ and by gphoto [12:45] Well are there any good packages that will miss the Kubuntu ship date? [12:45] dont blame that on digikam ;-) [12:45] hehe [12:45] DaSkreech: arent there always? [12:45] sime's patches will help here as well [12:45] Perhaps we could ship stable(ized) SVN Builds of them [12:45] just means more time to get them ready for +1 [12:46] DaSkreech: none that I know of assuming we get 3.5.5 in [12:46] Riddell: there are plans for a 3.5.5? [12:46] I don't know the release date for kdevelop 3.4 [12:46] Hobbsee: there are, sometime next month [12:46] nice [12:46] Riddell: make it to edgy? [12:46] gnomefreak: I hope so [12:46] :) [12:46] Offtopic but is Xen getting in? [12:46] DaSkreech: xen is in [12:47] already [12:47] DaSkreech: yes [12:47] Default? [12:47] no [12:47] xen rocks [12:47] damn [12:47] zul is working on xen as I remember [12:47] DaSkreech: it's not default, it even has a separate linux source package [12:47] zul just uploaded updates to it yesterday [12:47] anyway, next item [12:48] seaLne... === Hobbsee may get disconnected here [12:48] k3b and cdrecording is currently broken in edgy [12:48] Bye Hobbsee [12:48] i think bug #54828 is the problem [12:48] Malone bug 54828 in cdrtools "cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54828 [12:48] yea it has to do the the recorder perm;s in /dev [12:49] it works if you kdesu it [12:49] no it dosen't === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:49] it seems to be kernel permissions not file permissions [12:49] Aye, again kernel and cdrecord devs fighting each other, it seems? [12:50] seaLne: I have seen a story on LWN that Linus have put some SCSI command filtering in... [12:50] cdrom members can erase cds quite happily from cdrecord can't burn [12:50] that was relatively painless. [12:50] What kernel will edgy ship with? [12:50] .18? [12:50] sebas: no [12:50] .17 [12:50] sebas: possibly google seems to suggest that it requires special permissions which presumably were available previously [12:50] seaLne: might be this: http://lwn.net/Articles/193516 [12:51] Lure: yes === sebas reads. [12:51] I wonder if gnome is affected, I assume it must be [12:51] But I guess that's Ben's business. [12:51] yep scsi_ioctl was what i had narrowed it down to [12:52] anything using cdrecord is broken [12:52] and possibly any other way of writing cds [12:52] i assume that will be fixed before release [12:52] seaLne: but probably just for specific writers... === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:53] i have tried on different writers and so have the various bug reporters [12:53] uh oh, breakage [12:53] I'm sure I didn't have a problem burning CDs with knot 1 [12:53] btw, is k3b 1.0 planned to be released before edgy release? === Hobbsee had to run as root to make it work [12:53] no plans afaik [12:53] yea i had to kdesu it to make it work [12:53] but it worked [12:53] i have done some packaging of 1.0pre1 [12:54] had to remove a few patches as they are now fixed [12:54] seaLne: you have repo of pre1? === Hobbsee is afk [12:55] http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/ i'm having some problems with compiling on my machine but Hobbsee says she managed it [12:55] yay [12:55] so if anyone could build that for i386 i'd like a copy :) [12:56] if not let me know if it dosen't build [12:56] if Hobbsee built it its likely in my /var/cache/pbuilder/result as she builds on my machines alot [12:56] i've got copies of it on voyager, imbrandon [12:56] yeah === Hobbsee has been giving it a good workout lately :P [12:56] beats the uni connection for getting build deps [12:56] i'm not suggesting 1.0pre1 should go into edgy tho as there is not plan as yet for release of 1.0 [12:57] seaLne: i'll upload it a bit later and shott you a link if its in my ..../result dir [12:57] why not? [12:57] s/shott/shoot [12:57] "This preview is not intended for daily use but for testing and bug hunting" [12:58] I'll upgrade to edgy tomorrow on my CD burning machine and give it a shot, if it breaks I'll be poking benc lots until it's fixed [12:58] hehhe === DaSkreech hands Riddell a long pointy stick [12:58] right, that was sort of what i was wanting to sort out at the meeting, what would happen now [12:58] seaLne: i expect a bit more from a preview release [12:59] toma: well as i haven't actually managed to run it yet i'm not in a situation to even guess yet and not being able to write cds anyway dosen't help [12:59] seaLne: I can make noises about it at the next distro meeting [01:00] thanks [01:00] Day changed to 11 Aug 2006 [01:00] good time to close the meeting :) [01:00] any other business [01:00] 1am here [01:00] bipolar? [01:00] media backend? [01:00] xine [01:01] since there's no signs of kaffeine and/or amaork getting gstreamer usable === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] anything else? [01:01] Edgy will be purple? [01:01] Hasn't gstreamer been removed from upstream amarok? [01:01] sebas: yes [01:01] DaSkreech: yes [01:02] which doesn't stop red hat from using it :) [01:02] Anyway, no way gstreamer will be usable for most stuff before edgy becomes an eft. [01:02] As long as it gets in before the feature freeze? [01:02] DaSkreech: purple seems to be the way we're going [01:02] I like purple [01:02] Yeah I like the uber sexy logout buttons [01:02] Hobbsee: no k3b in edgy result, did you build it for dapper ? [01:02] Yeah, but now amarok people hate redhat, we don't want that since amarok people are mostly really nice folks. [01:03] DaSkreech: that's just a mockup [01:03] I know [01:03] Doesn't stop it being uber sexy :) [01:04] any volunteers to clean up the Meetings wiki page? === sebas volunteers to join Kim in bed. [01:04] Riddell: I might clean up the PM stuff and separate GUI from functionality code, I assume that's OK with you? [01:05] next meeting will be after distro sprint (anyone near Weisbaden?) [01:05] sebas: sure, see also el's comments on the spec wiki page [01:05] Wiesbaden is 3 hours from here, when's the sprint? [01:05] hold the meeting, it cqant yet end! [01:05] Yup, read them. [01:05] er, end yet [01:05] sebas: week after next === toma pokes allee [01:06] toma: mhmm? [01:06] allee: wiesbaden! [01:06] Week after next what? :D [01:06] imbrandon: no, only in edgy [01:06] sebas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden [01:06] Riddell: dont stop the meeting yet!!! [01:06] I'm pretty busy travelling in sept already. [01:06] toma: yeah, I know. Unfortunately I don't know if I'll have free time :( === Hobbsee has two more bits. [01:06] Riddell: /query? [01:06] Monday 21st [01:06] toma: you plan to go? [01:07] Hobbsee: I did ask if you had any other plans to take over the world :) [01:07] Riddell: yeah, i know, but i'v ejust remembered a couple while i was afk [01:07]