[12:10] <DaSkreech> ryanakca: Well at least a script that comments out wacom stuff if not detetected
[12:10] <imbrandon> man thats gonna require an audit of nearly every univserse package though
[12:10] <ryanakca> yeah
[12:10] <imbrandon> heh
[12:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: amarok upstream version freeze request is just an e-mail to mdz and kamion with changelog and confirmation that it's been tested and works well
[12:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: CC me so I can confirm too
[12:10] <allee> Hobbsee, imbrandon IMHO kdebluetooth should not start when not available and menues can be rearranged ;)  Maybe file bugs so it get's not forgotten?
[12:10] <imbrandon> allee: yea it dosent start just gets in my way on the kmenu
[12:10] <imbrandon> i will 
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks
[12:11] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah.  point.
[12:11] <toma> universe upload team?
[12:11] <Riddell> tell us more Hobbsee 
[12:11] <imbrandon> ok i'm done , i see it as wait and see how recomends works out
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: about?  what bugs i filed?  one heck of a lot of syncs.  i went from the unvierse "p
[12:12] <Hobbsee> 's" to partway thru the "s'"
[12:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: about universe upload team
[12:12] <imbrandon> [17:11]  <toma> universe upload team?  < about that
[12:12] <toma> ;-)
[12:12] <Hobbsee> oh right
[12:12] <Hobbsee> it's part of my plan to take over the world.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> There now exists a universe uploads team: [WWW]  https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors You can use this if there's no one around to upload, or you prefer to do it via LP, etc. Please attach a debdiff between current debian, and your version (for merges, at least). Syncs too.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> toma: i dont drink the stuff :P
[12:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: naughty girl.. ;)
[12:13] <seaLne> that'll be the problem
[12:13] <imbrandon> looks kinda like a "mentors" type project from debian , witch i think ubuntu needs
[12:13] <toma> i know, but how to ping those people properly?
[12:13] <DaSkreech> 1) Take over the World
[12:13] <DaSkreech> 2)......
[12:13] <DaSkreech> 3) Profit!!
[12:13] <Hobbsee> rationalle:  it's quite hard to get stuff uploaded to universe, if you dotn konw the people
[12:13] <seaLne> debian-mentors is a good way to get ignored
[12:13] <Hobbsee> toma: how to ping which people?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> toma: irc, usually
[12:14] <Riddell> pitti announced it here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html
[12:14] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, that's true. however it's significantly more easy than with debian
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh.  missed that, something screwed up my ubuntu-devel mailing list subscription
[12:14] <imbrandon> seaLne: ??
[12:15] <Riddell> my worry is that if I subscribe to that I'll be flodded with upload requests for stuff I don't care or know about
[12:15] <seaLne> imbrandon: just bitching
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's why you're not on the team?
[12:15] <ryanakca> bbiab, supper
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :P
[12:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm not on the team because I only just read pitti's e-mail :)
[12:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: you allready get flooded with wiki updates, don't you?
[12:15] <imbrandon> heh you can always un-join ;)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not kubuntu specific, i havent seen you listed on there.  oh, and if you try to, i'll just kick you off, because i can!  :D
[12:15] <Riddell> ryanakca: naw, I filter out all but *kubuntu*
[12:15] <ryanakca> nice :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's *far* more fun to kick the leading kubuntu dev off though
[12:16] <imbrandon> lol
[12:17] <Riddell> a fair number https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-main-sponsors
[12:17] <imbrandon> brb mt dew refill ( btw takin collections for a fast food resturant soda fountain for my computer lab here at home , lol just kidding )
[12:17] <Riddell> but I should probably subscribe incase kde stuff comes onto it
[12:17] <imbrandon> yea good idea /me looks at allee and toma too
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds sane.  or someone could just poke you for kde based stuff
[12:18] <Riddell> poking usually works best with me
[12:18] <toma> imbrandon: well, i like the idea, but talking to Hobbsee and Riddell works ok too. I was wondering what they prefer
[12:18] <Hobbsee> toma: pokes are good
[12:18] <Hobbsee> next?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> #
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Point people towards: Do the merges *before* the rebuilds - we can upload rebuilds after universe freeze a lot easier than new versions
[12:18] <Hobbsee>     *
[12:18] <Hobbsee>       [WWW]  http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [WWW]  http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [WWW]  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - gamin rebuilds. [WWW]  https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
[12:19] <allee> imbrandon: mhmm?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> toma: you've got imbrandon too
[12:19] <Riddell> how are merges looking?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ouch, that pasted badly
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: a lot better when we get the next round of syncs done.
[12:19] <Riddell> 0 outstanding merges   ooh, nice
[12:19] <toma> Hobbsee: true.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's always said that :P
[12:19] <Hobbsee> we're below 200, which is good.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Lure's to deal with kpowersave stuff.
[12:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: not always there was a few on there a few days ago
[12:20] <gnomefreak> wish i knew how
[12:20] <Hobbsee> although it looks like we wont need to again
[12:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: confirmed!
[12:20] <Hobbsee> seeing as the g-p-m looks good
[12:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: crimsun ran a session on it in motu school.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i missed it
[12:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: there should be logs
[12:20] <imbrandon> there is a log ( OT )
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you going to request testing for g-p-m?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> uh oh, glad i looked down
[12:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, although I already have a bunch of fixes that need doing
[12:21] <Riddell> where is motu school announced?  I always seem to miss it
[12:21] <Hobbsee> *hits the power button* laptops like juice
[12:21] <toma> me too
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: either motu mailing list, or ubuntu-devel?
[12:21] <imbrandon> fridge -devel -announce and the fridge cal
[12:21] <Hobbsee> ah, is that it.
[12:21] <toma> oki
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'll whine at people to cross post that
[12:22] <Hobbsee> seeing as i have trouble posting to the lists.
[12:22] <imbrandon> it will always be in the fridge cal 
[12:22] <Riddell> next item?
[12:23] <toma> so when i'm bored, i just pick on of the merges list and do it?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> oops, sorry
[12:23] <Hobbsee> toma: yep!
[12:23] <Riddell> allee: fridge calendar should have ical
[12:23] <seaLne> allee: add remote ical?
[12:23] <Riddell> toma: please!
[12:23] <Hobbsee> toma: there are a few things not to touch, but otherwise, yep!
[12:23] <toma> well the page states that the owner should do it first
[12:23] <Hobbsee> toma: dholbach's got a whole stack of merges that he needs done too.  
[12:23] <toma> how do i know what to touch and what not
[12:23] <Hobbsee> toma: owner should have done it a while ago if they particularly cared about it
[12:24] <Hobbsee> toma: dont touch zope and beagle.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> next item:  Are there any performance patches in other distros for KDE that we should be including? Make KDE faster at all?
[12:24] <Riddell> toma: at this stage it's the last uploader's problem if they havn't touched it
[12:24] <Hobbsee> toma: i think that's all
[12:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: none that I know of
[12:24] <Hobbsee> right
[12:24] <allee> Riddell: oh, better than nothing ;)
[12:24] <Riddell> although it's always worth keeping an eye on http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches/
[12:24] <toma> Hobbsee: there is a url ..
[12:24] <toma> nm
[12:24] <imbrandon> allee: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[12:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the patches from suse have been put into mainline KDE
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[12:25] <allee> imbrandon: thx
[12:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: someone will always say something else is faster ;)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> also, are we supposed to be testing anything specific in edgy at the moment?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh, true
[12:25] <Riddell> testing: kubuntu-laptop-buttons, and the new power management applet
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotchat.  k-l-b in repos?
[12:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, it's kmilo, and it should "just work"
[12:26] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:27] <Riddell> also testing of this is welcome www.micoulou.info/kformat
[12:27] <Riddell> it's a summer of code project
[12:27] <nixternal> ummm
[12:27] <Riddell> and if someone wants to package it for the guy he'd welcome that
[12:27] <Hobbsee> nice...
[12:27] <Riddell> note that it hasn't worked for me
[12:27] <Hobbsee> right
[12:27] <Riddell> also that with an incorrect click it may well format your hard drive
[12:28] <imbrandon> is that that floppy thing ?
[12:28] <toma> imbrandon: there was a thread on kde-core-devel a while back about build flags. did not follow it
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hah.  just imagine me yelling at you if it did that :P
[12:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: floppy and usb key formatter
[12:28] <seaLne> Hobbsee: you wouldn't be able to :)
[12:28] <imbrandon> toma yea i might read the archives the next days and see if there is anything we can use
[12:28] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh i have neither so i wouldent be able to test
[12:29] <toma> imbrandon: maybe poke on #kde-devel
[12:29] <Hobbsee> seaLne: live cd.
[12:29] <seaLne> bah
[12:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any other plans to take over the world?
[12:29] <nixternal> hehe
[12:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not today, i have a system to clean up.
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we have any closer location/plans/etc for edgy+1 dev summit?
[12:30] <imbrandon> kansas city if it was upto me ;)
[12:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, although I don't think I'm allowed to say yet (it's not been finally decided)
[12:30] <imbrandon> but its not ;(
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, okay
[12:31] <Riddell> but /msg me if you want to find out
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do tell, when you're allowed to :P
[12:31] <Riddell> nixternal had an item
[12:31] <nixternal> yup
[12:31] <nixternal> Edgy Eft Knot Releases....
[12:31] <Hobbsee> indeed.  nixternal shoot
[12:31] <nixternal> here we go
[12:31] <nixternal> * Good job Riddell on posting the 6.06.1 LTS Released on Kubuntu.org as we are the only group out of all the *ubuntu's that let people know it is out, besides the Announcement ML.
[12:32] <nixternal> i just realised this!
[12:32] <Riddell> maybe I should post to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users too
[12:32] <nixternal> so...
[12:32] <toma> yes please
[12:32] <nixternal> * OK, now where are the list of changes from 6.06 to 6.06.1?  If I am Joe Shmoe, the typical user, why should I download this and install it?  Why is it better then 6.06?
[12:32] <imbrandon> yea , maybe even dot.kde ?
[12:32] <seaLne> torrents downloads have been less than for 6.06 up till now
[12:32] <Hobbsee> oh man, i'm trying to recursively backup.  that wont work.
[12:32] <nixternal> i can create a "Release" with that information if needed
[12:32] <Riddell> nixternal: on the whole you shouldn't download it
[12:33] <Riddell> only download if you can't get to dapper-updates for some reason
[12:33] <Riddell> the list of changes is in kamion's announcement
[12:33] <nixternal> true...you and i know that, but joe shmoe doesn't
[12:33] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-August/000088.html
[12:33] <nixternal> the typical user just sees it as something else to download because there isn't any more info about it, other than locations to download it
[12:34] <seaLne> so effectivly all that should be happening is that people trying to download dapper you get .1?
[12:34] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[12:34] <Riddell> so the 6.06 on the mirrors is now a link to 6.06.1
[12:34] <seaLne> so it shouldn't really be big news
[12:34] <Riddell> it's not
[12:34] <seaLne> ah
[12:34] <nixternal> i think there needs to be a write up for the public to view that tells them about the release, why it was released, and what was fixed and what not
[12:35] <Riddell> toma: there's no backports in this
[12:35] <seaLne> backports is different from updates/security
[12:35] <imbrandon> toma its not backports its a security rollup and new cd images
[12:35] <nixternal> if that isn't what we want to do, then maybe we should pull the release announcement from the site?  
[12:35] <Riddell> only dapper-updates, which is very small bugfixes
[12:35] <Riddell> and -security yes
[12:35] <toma> okay
[12:35] <nixternal> ok..besides that...i wanted to get edgy here
[12:35] <nixternal> this will be brief and painful
[12:36] <nixternal> i mean painless
[12:36] <toma> but someone at the office told me he got a new gnome from updates, that does not sound minor
[12:36] <nixternal> * Time to get Edgy!
[12:36] <nixternal> First things first. The codename of Dapper+1 will be:   The Edgy Eft
[12:36] <nixternal> And here's why. Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge,
[12:36] <nixternal> brand new code and infrastructure. It will be the right time to bring in
[12:36] <nixternal> some seriously interesting but definitely edgy new technologies which
[12:36] <nixternal> lay the groundwork for the next wave of Ubuntu development.
[12:36] <nixternal> that is what sabdfl said in his announcement concerning edgy eft
[12:37] <nixternal> we all know that, and more and more people are reading it, and wondering what the KDE guys are doing to make this stand true
[12:37] <nixternal> like you, i get tired of the AIX/GLX/Compiz stuff at times...but they want to know
[12:37] <nixternal> so on i go
[12:37] <nixternal> * OK, some common gripes and questions towards the release notes for Edgy Knot2, and probably the same for future releases:
[12:37] <nixternal> 1.)  What is bleeding edge about KDE 3.5.4?   KDE 4 is bleeding edge for us, and there is nothing we can do until Edgy+1. People are starting to understand that.
[12:37] <imbrandon> ...
[12:37] <nixternal> ...
[12:38] <nixternal> you are good imbrandon ;)
[12:38] <toma> well, 1 is true ;-)
[12:38] <toma> next?
[12:38] <nixternal> 2.) OK, KDE 3.5.4 is signifagant for Edgy Knot 2 w/o a doubt, but what else is "edgy" in the release?
[12:38] <nixternal>     * This is the one that keeps getting asked towards the Kubuntu release for Knot 2.
[12:38] <nixternal>     * Ubuntu & Gnome have some new cool toys that I have observed (thats about all I know of them though)
[12:38] <nixternal> 3.) I think you see where I am going with those, anyways, we need to start selling these releases, and the coolness factor will definitely help.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: g-p-m and k-l-b stuff.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and updated packages
[12:38] <Hobbsee> like kopete, amarok, etc
[12:39] <Riddell> nixternal: have you ready sabdfl's blog on this?
[12:39] <Riddell> s/y//
[12:39] <nixternal> yes Riddell, and I have been pulling inspiration from it as well
[12:39] <unix_infidel> .
[12:39] <sebas> KDE is frozen, that's true, but we have cool new stuff in amarok, for example.
[12:39] <imbrandon> ... /me looks confused like he steped into a marketing meeting ;)
[12:39] <Riddell> I've always said that edgy won't be a major change for kubuntu, since kde 4 isn't happening yet at the distro level
[12:40] <sebas> Digikam is also rocking, in general: we could concentrate more on apps than on infrastructure.
[12:40] <nixternal> I hope you guys understand, KDE is me, I want Kubuntu to be the baddest release and have the most rockin' following, and kick arse release stuff..we need to sell it in a way..get people excited
[12:40] <sebas> Not that GNOME has too much staggering stuff to offer
[12:40] <nixternal> sebas: +1 if it is rockin' and jammin ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> nixternal: what have you observed in gnome?
[12:40] <toma> nixternal: digikam 0.9 is experimental, we can add that ;-)
[12:40] <sebas> If KDE is finished by then :)
[12:40] <Lure> btw, should we move digikam to main and in kubuntu-desktop?
[12:40] <sebas> KDE4 that is.
[12:40] <nixternal> the telepathy stuff off hand
[12:41] <nixternal> im trying to remember the others, as I don't play iwth gnome ;)
[12:41] <nixternal> only kde and kde edu
[12:41] <Lure> toma: +1
[12:41] <nixternal> cool toma, it will get added
[12:41] <seaLne> digikam would be good in main
[12:42] <Riddell> I don't want to put digikam in main until it automatically detects my camera
[12:42] <toma> Riddell: which one?
[12:42] <nixternal> everyone one of you have provided to the release notes, and it kicks arse in my view, but we need some killer stuff to spark excitement..that is about it ;)
[12:42] <sebas> Riddell: What camera is it?
[12:42] <Lure> Riddell: buy new camera ;-)
[12:42] <nixternal> hehe
[12:42] <sebas> And it's a gphoto problem, most probably.
[12:42] <seaLne> from the kubuntu supported list :)
[12:42] <nixternal> it detects my c700 ultra zoom ;)
[12:42] <seaLne> my 350d is occasionally detected
[12:43] <Riddell> it's a Kodak thingy, works great with gphoto2, but digikam needed me to add it manually, I want digikam to pop up and say "let me download from this camera you just plugged in"
[12:43] <toma> Riddell: try digikam 0.9 or the latest from the 0.8 series, it should work
[12:43] <Riddell> toma: got packages of 0.9?
[12:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Is telepathy KDE based? I doubt it
[12:43] <nixternal> you guys have anything you think/want added to the releases that are, in Riddell's words, "Rocking" or "Groovy", message me the information, poke me, add a == Header == on the wiki and i will get on it
[12:43] <toma> Riddell: debian experimental, or for dapper from my repository
[12:43] <nixternal> no DaSkreech, i believe it is ubuntu only
[12:43] <Riddell> toma: I'll give it a shot
[12:43] <Riddell> DaSkreech: decebel is the equivalent thing in kde 4
[12:43] <nixternal> i can put my kflickr package on there ;)
[12:44] <DaSkreech> Riddell: URL?
[12:44] <imbrandon> hahah Riddell yea i have the same camera i bet, i have to do the same thing and its a kodac something
[12:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: http://decibel.kde.org/
[12:44] <Riddell> I think it's equivalent anyway
[12:45] <toma> some of the problems in digikam are caused by the media:/ and by gphoto
[12:45] <DaSkreech> Well are there any good packages that will miss the Kubuntu ship date?
[12:45] <toma> dont blame that on digikam ;-)
[12:45] <nixternal> hehe
[12:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: arent there always?
[12:45] <toma> sime's patches will help here as well
[12:45] <DaSkreech> Perhaps we could ship stable(ized) SVN Builds of them
[12:45] <seaLne> just means more time to get them ready for +1
[12:46] <Riddell> DaSkreech: none that I know of assuming we get 3.5.5 in
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there are plans for a 3.5.5?
[12:46] <Riddell> I don't know the release date for kdevelop 3.4
[12:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there are, sometime next month
[12:46] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Riddell: make it to edgy?
[12:46] <Riddell> gnomefreak: I hope so
[12:46] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:46] <DaSkreech> Offtopic but is Xen getting in?
[12:46] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: xen is in 
[12:47] <imbrandon> already
[12:47] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes
[12:47] <DaSkreech> Default?
[12:47] <imbrandon> no
[12:47] <toma> xen rocks
[12:47] <DaSkreech> damn
[12:47] <Riddell> zul is working on xen as I remember
[12:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's not default, it even has a separate linux source package
[12:47] <imbrandon> zul just uploaded updates to it yesterday
[12:47] <Riddell> anyway, next item
[12:48] <Riddell> seaLne...
[12:48] <seaLne> k3b and cdrecording is currently broken in edgy
[12:48] <DaSkreech> Bye Hobbsee
[12:48] <seaLne> i think bug #54828 is the problem
[12:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54828 in cdrtools "cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54828
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea it has to do the the recorder perm;s in /dev
[12:49] <imbrandon> it works if you kdesu it
[12:49] <seaLne> no it dosen't
[12:49] <seaLne> it seems to be kernel permissions not file permissions
[12:49] <sebas> Aye, again kernel and cdrecord devs fighting each other, it seems?
[12:50] <Lure> seaLne: I have seen a story on LWN that Linus have put some SCSI command filtering in...
[12:50] <seaLne> cdrom members can erase cds quite happily from cdrecord can't burn
[12:50] <Hobbsee> that was relatively painless.
[12:50] <sebas> What kernel will edgy ship with?
[12:50] <sebas> .18?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> sebas: no
[12:50] <Hobbsee> .17
[12:50] <seaLne> sebas: possibly google seems to suggest that it requires special permissions which presumably were available previously
[12:50] <Lure> seaLne: might be this: http://lwn.net/Articles/193516
[12:51] <allee> Lure: yes
[12:51] <Riddell> I wonder if gnome is affected, I assume it must be
[12:51] <sebas> But I guess that's Ben's business.
[12:51] <seaLne> yep scsi_ioctl was what i had narrowed it down to
[12:52] <seaLne> anything using cdrecord is broken
[12:52] <seaLne> and possibly any other way of writing cds
[12:52] <toma> i assume that will be fixed before release
[12:52] <Lure> seaLne: but probably just for specific writers...
[12:53] <seaLne> i have tried on different writers and so have the various bug reporters
[12:53] <Hobbsee> uh oh, breakage
[12:53] <Riddell> I'm sure I didn't have a problem burning CDs with knot 1
[12:53] <Lure> btw, is k3b 1.0 planned to be released before edgy release? 
[12:53] <seaLne> no plans afaik
[12:53] <imbrandon> yea i had to kdesu it to make it work
[12:53] <imbrandon> but it worked
[12:53] <seaLne> i have done some packaging of 1.0pre1
[12:54] <seaLne> had to remove a few patches as they are now fixed
[12:54] <Lure> seaLne: you have repo of pre1?
[12:55] <seaLne> http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/ i'm having some problems with compiling on my machine but Hobbsee says she managed it
[12:55] <nixternal_> yay
[12:55] <seaLne> so if anyone could build that for i386 i'd like a copy :)
[12:56] <seaLne> if not let me know if it dosen't build
[12:56] <imbrandon> if Hobbsee built it its likely in my /var/cache/pbuilder/result as she builds on my machines alot
[12:56] <Hobbsee> i've got copies of it on voyager, imbrandon 
[12:56] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:56] <Hobbsee> beats the uni connection for getting build deps
[12:56] <seaLne> i'm not suggesting 1.0pre1 should go into edgy tho as there is not plan as yet for release of 1.0
[12:57] <imbrandon> seaLne: i'll upload it a bit later and shott you a link if its in my ..../result dir
[12:57] <toma> why not?
[12:57] <imbrandon> s/shott/shoot
[12:57] <seaLne> "This preview is not intended for daily use but for testing and bug hunting"
[12:58] <Riddell> I'll upgrade to edgy tomorrow on my CD burning machine and give it a shot, if it breaks I'll be poking benc lots until it's fixed
[12:58] <imbrandon> hehhe
[12:58] <seaLne> right, that was sort of what i was wanting to sort out at the meeting, what would happen now
[12:58] <toma> seaLne: i expect a bit more from a preview release
[12:59] <seaLne> toma: well as i haven't actually managed to run it yet i'm not in a situation to even guess yet and not being able to write cds anyway dosen't help
[12:59] <Riddell> seaLne: I can make noises about it at the next distro meeting
[01:00] <seaLne> thanks
[01:00] <Riddell>  Day changed to 11 Aug 2006
[01:00] <Riddell> good time to close the meeting :)
[01:00] <Riddell> any other business
[01:00] <toma> 1am here
[01:00] <Riddell> bipolar?
[01:00] <toma> media backend?
[01:00] <Riddell> xine
[01:01] <Riddell> since there's no signs of kaffeine and/or amaork getting gstreamer usable
[01:01] <toma> anything else?
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Edgy will be purple?
[01:01] <sebas> Hasn't gstreamer been removed from upstream amarok?
[01:01] <Riddell> sebas: yes
[01:01] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: yes
[01:02] <Riddell> which doesn't stop red hat from using it :)
[01:02] <sebas> Anyway, no way gstreamer will be usable for most stuff before edgy becomes an eft.
[01:02] <DaSkreech> As long as it gets in before the feature freeze?
[01:02] <Riddell> DaSkreech: purple seems to be the way we're going
[01:02] <Riddell> I like purple
[01:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah I like the uber sexy logout buttons
[01:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no k3b in edgy result, did you build it for dapper ?
[01:02] <sebas> Yeah, but now amarok people hate redhat, we don't want that since amarok people are mostly really nice folks.
[01:03] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that's just a mockup
[01:03] <DaSkreech> I know 
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Doesn't stop it being uber sexy :)
[01:04] <Riddell> any volunteers to clean up the Meetings wiki page?
[01:04] <sebas> Riddell: I might clean up the PM stuff and separate GUI from functionality code, I assume that's OK with you?
[01:05] <Riddell> next meeting will be after distro sprint (anyone near Weisbaden?)
[01:05] <Riddell> sebas: sure, see also el's comments on the spec wiki page
[01:05] <sebas> Wiesbaden is 3 hours from here, when's the sprint?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hold the meeting, it cqant yet end!
[01:05] <sebas> Yup, read them.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> er, end yet
[01:05] <Riddell> sebas: week after next
[01:06] <allee> toma: mhmm?
[01:06] <toma> allee: wiesbaden!
[01:06] <sebas> Week after next what? :D
[01:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, only in edgy
[01:06] <Riddell> sebas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont stop the meeting yet!!!
[01:06] <sebas> I'm pretty  busy travelling in sept already.
[01:06] <allee> toma: yeah, I know.  Unfortunately I don't know if I'll have free time :(
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: /query?
[01:06] <Riddell> Monday 21st 
[01:06] <allee> toma: you plan to go?
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did ask if you had any other plans to take over the world :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i know, but i'v ejust remembered a couple while i was afk
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: let's hear them
[01:07] <imbrandon> ...
[01:07] <Hobbsee>  a)  Riddell: were you going to announce my title, seeing as it hasnt been announced anywhere else?
[01:07] <toma> allee: did not think about it 
[01:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I was going to propse it
[01:08] <Riddell> is there a b)?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> b)  can i get everyone to give me a list of packages that they particularly want to maintain in edgy+1?  ie, you dotn *have* to, but it'll be known that you're the person who usually does the fixes
[01:08] <Hobbsee> sure, just typing nwo
[01:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:09] <Hobbsee> like me and kopete/amarok
[01:09] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:09] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: that would be good for a wiki probably
[01:09] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i'd like to keep working on k3b
[01:09] <Hobbsee> seeing as that cuts down on crazy duplication
[01:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, definetly
[01:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yep
[01:09] <Riddell> I'd like all of KDE please
[01:09] <toma> Hobbsee: can you send a mail to -devel ?
[01:09] <DaSkreech> Hmm there was BEats of Rage But looking at it it doesn't really need a maintainer
[01:09] <imbrandon> heheh
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha.  sure :)
[01:09] <toma> or to me personally ?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah, you may need to poke me
[01:09] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: make a /KubuntuMaintainers and poke it on the next agenda for everyone to fill in
[01:09] <Hobbsee> yay, more breakage :)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool, okay
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that was all, so far.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do your proposal :P
[01:10] <Hobbsee> better still, let me restart x, then do your proposal
[01:10] <Riddell> so the title thing was that back when MOTU started we were going to have team leaders
[01:10] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: get some milk lol
[01:11] <seaLne> and use irssi+screen :)
[01:11] <Riddell> irssi+screen rocks
[01:11] <allee> Hobbsee: people specially interested in a given pkg should subscribe to it in lauchpad
[01:11] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[01:11] <toma> so we all need to wait for hobbsee's restart?
[01:11] <Riddell> we should hold one of those classes for irssi+screen
[01:11] <Riddell> toma: seems so
[01:11] <sebas> Hehe, right, Riddell.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> oh crap.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> sorry, what'd i miss?
[01:12] <Riddell> 00:10 < Riddell> so the title thing was that back when MOTU started we were going to have team leaders
[01:12] <allee> [01:11]  <allee> Hobbsee: people specially interested in a given pkg should subscribe to it in lauchpad
[01:12] <Hobbsee> allee: true, i was more meaning in terms of asking for upgrades
[01:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear...major breakage :(
[01:12] <imbrandon> allee: +1 but a wiki for the kubuntu ppl that want to be resp would be nice too
[01:12] <seaLne> allee: then we'd get 2 mails about it
[01:12] <Riddell> and since Hobbsee recons she can do a good job of organising people we thought we could make her kubuntu community manager and see what she does with it
[01:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:13] <bipolar> Riddell: I'll look into amarok-gstreamer for 0.10
[01:13] <toma> what does that mean?
[01:13] <allee> seaLne: I filter them seperately
[01:13] <seaLne> so do i
[01:13] <imbrandon> bipolar: gstreamer was droped in amarok 
[01:13] <sebas> bipolar: You'll piss off amarok upstream then.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> and debian
[01:14] <sebas> They don't want the bugreports of an engine that's removed on purpose.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'll take over the world with it, of course
[01:14] <toma> Hobbsee: congrats!
[01:14] <Hobbsee> toma: :)
[01:15] <toma> Hobbsee: i'm sure you'll do a nice job, poking as usual ;-)
[01:15] <imbrandon> congrats Hobbsee ( although i dunno what will change much heheh )
[01:15] <Hobbsee> toma: hehe!  of course!
[01:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's an official title, which is nice :)
[01:15] <toma> ah, so it is official poking now
[01:15] <Hobbsee> means i can officially boss you all around :P
[01:15] <toma> wonder how that feels ;-)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:15] <seaLne> Hobbsee: we even had to change the threat level in the UK to stop you sneaking in inside someone book or bottle of juice
[01:15] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, official?  then I congrat you officially :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hahaha
[01:15] <seaLne> your plans are foiled :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how official is it?
[01:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: since the meeting seems to generally be happy with it, totally
[01:16] <imbrandon> well you all are the KCC you decide how "offical" it is hehe
[01:16] <toma> Hobbsee: are there any targets, like 600 pokes a year?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i meant with sabdfl, and all that.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> and the CC
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: CC meeting has been scheduled, we'll take it to them then
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when is it?
[01:17] <sebas> What is CC?
[01:17] <imbrandon> community council
[01:17] <sebas> Aye, thx.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Canonical Control
[01:17] <DaSkreech> *cough*
[01:17] <toma> ;-)
[01:17] <imbrandon> ok we done ?
[01:17] <imbrandon> heh
[01:17] <sebas> Cooler Cubuntu
[01:17] <seaLne> DaSkreech: thats called marketing
[01:17] <Hobbsee> next meeting?
[01:18] <toma> three weeks?
[01:18] <Riddell> monday 14th at 16:00utc
[01:18] <Hobbsee> what the hell?
[01:18] <imbrandon> Riddell: kk adding to fridge now
[01:18] <imbrandon> lol
[01:18] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's where I got it from
[01:18] <Hobbsee> what's 1600UTC in aest?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> 2100 is 7am
[01:18] <sebas> 2am
[01:18] <Hobbsee> oh holy crud.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i migth, we'll see
[01:19] <sebas> AEST is Australia?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee:  We could poke you :)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> sebas: yes.  aus eastern standard time
[01:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah. Riddell woudl get an earful over it.
[01:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: we'll all skype your phone
[01:19] <sebas> Ah, where are you located?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> sebas: sydney
[01:19] <imbrandon> sydney
[01:19] <sebas> Ok!
[01:20] <toma> nite all
[01:20] <Riddell> I'm about to collapse too, end of meeting, thanks all
[01:20] <Hobbsee> no time for breakfast :(
[01:20] <Hobbsee> night all
[01:20] <Hobbsee> night Riddell, thanks for the call
[01:20] <imbrandon> gnight Riddell
[01:20] <allee> toma: nite
[01:20] <allee> nite all too
[01:20] <sebas> -------------------------------
[01:20] <sebas> (end)
[01:20] <seaLne> sebas: the dev version of basket is v nice
[01:21] <sebas> seaLne: I've installed a package, it has a nice icon. :-)
[01:21] <DaSkreech> sebas: I installed it. It's a basket 
[01:21] <DaSkreech> Don't put all your python eggs into it
[01:21] <seaLne> think one note etc
[01:21] <seaLne> a way to organise stuff
[01:21] <seaLne> anyway bed
[01:21] <sebas> Ah, first thing it did is crashing.
[01:22] <DaSkreech> It lost a whole set of notes I made :-(
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Course that was in the Great Power comany fiasco
[01:22] <sebas> I'll have to keep using subversion then ;-)
[01:22] <sebas> gnight all, I'm on CEST and becoming tired.
[02:54] <rexbron> seft36yu
[02:54] <rexbron> asdjfze;f
[02:54] <rexbron> god damn cat
[02:58] <Hawkwind> rexbron: Easy on the language please
[03:17] <rexbron> sorry
[03:18] <rexbron> its my sisters cat
[03:19] <DaSkreech> lol
[03:19] <DaSkreech> I was trying to figure out which file you ran the cat command on
[10:52] <digitalmouse> cat | grep seft36yu
[10:58] <digitalmouse> my ferret has the same problem :-p
[01:28] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:49] <jecuendet> help