huband dh_clideps is no longer?12:10
hubI'll go and check that later12:11
hubnothing urgent12:11
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neutrinomass(I asked this earlier but no one responded so I apologise for spamming) Are inline changes acceptable to fix typos/other minor issues ?01:04
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bddebianHeya gang01:14
FujitsuHi bddebian01:14
bddebianHello Fujitsu01:14
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bddebianDang it, how do I read MemoServ messages?01:15
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Hawkwind/msg memoserv read 1 or read all01:15
bddebianAh, thx01:15
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zulhey Hobbsee01:22
ajmitchhello Hobbsee01:22
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.01:23
Hobbseedont seem to have broken my system too badly01:24
Hobbseei was messing with it earlier01:25
FujitsuAh. Doing what?01:25
FujitsuMaybe she did mess it up :P01:25
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FujitsuI can't be seeing this...01:27
FujitsuThey announced the Community Council meeting more than 24 hours in advance?01:27
ajmitchsurely not01:28
bddebianHeya ajmitch01:29
zulits only community council :)01:29
FujitsuANd it's at 2am :(01:29
ajmitchsounds fair01:30
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bddebiananyone know of a well done (meaning packaging) python app for me to look at?01:31
bddebianThanks crimsun01:31
bddebianHi btw01:31
crimsunerr, hi01:33
bddebianYou want me to die? :'-(01:33
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ash211does anybody know much about QuinnStorm's Compiz packages?01:41
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ash211on the most recent update, apt only wants to update compiz and compiz-gnome, but not compiz-kde01:42
ash211(I'm running kde)01:42
ash211before all three updated01:43
ajmitchin any case, it's an external repository01:43
ash211updating the compiz package will remove compiz-kde01:43
ajmitchit's best for you to ask in #ubuntu-xgl01:43
ajmitchyou'll probably get told to use compiz & cgwd01:43
ash211i'll do that01:43
imbrandoncgwd ?01:43
ajmitchimbrandon: yes01:44
imbrandongnome win deco ?01:44
ajmitchsupposedly 'generic'01:44
ajmitchmeant to replace {gnome,kde}-window-decorator01:44
ash211does it currently work better01:45
ajmitchno idea01:45
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ash211here's some info in cgwd: http://compiz.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-window-decorator.html01:53
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bddebianDo Python packages have to be python-foo?02:02
bddebianHeya LaserJock02:02
LaserJockhi bddebian02:03
ryanakcawhats the current standards version?02:03
LaserJock3.7.2 I think02:03
bddebian3.7.2 afaik02:03
Fujitsu3.7.2, I'm pretty sure.02:03
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ryanakcakk, ty02:05
ryanakcait's unanimous :)02:05
LaserJockhmm, well I decided to reinstall OS X on my iMac this afternoon :/02:07
LaserJockmaybe it wasn't the best timing02:07
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LaserJockwell, you know how the first time you try an OS you trash it with all kinds of junk?02:08
LaserJockor is it  only me that does it?02:08
DarkMageZeveryone does it =D02:08
ryanakcayep, everyone does02:09
LaserJockok, so this is my first reinstall of OS X02:09
ryanakcaI remember, my first install of FC... 3 I think... I had selected full install... 6GB of junk installed...02:10
ryanakcamy science teacher is a big mac fan.. despises windows with a pation :)02:10
LaserJockwith Gentoo I never could get over it :-)02:10
LaserJockthat's why I had to jump ship for Ubuntu02:10
ryanakcaget over ???02:11
LaserJockI always had > 9 GB of stuff on my Gentoo box02:11
LaserJockand recompiling it all the time was a pain02:11
ryanakca"The computer is your slave, not the other way around" is how I look at Gentoo02:11
LaserJocknot for me02:12
LaserJockI couldn't take it anymore, every time I got KDE done compiling they'd come out with another one to try ;-)02:12
DarkMageZi've been building packages recently, it's great fun, cept when things don't work :(02:12
ryanakcaDarkMageZ: yeah... and then afterwards, when you aren't a programmer, and someone reports a bug..02:13
neutrinomassLaserJock: I had that thing too.... with an 800 Mhz Duron :P (I even went into the trouble of compiling -r1 versions )02:13
ryanakcayou have to figure out whats wrong...02:13
DarkMageZoh, i'm never going to distribute my packages for the sake of sanity =D02:13
ryanakcaDarkMageZ: I'm going to send up a couple... but no way I'm sending up 20+ like some people02:13
DarkMageZexcept with a *this package may kill millions of people* sticker :)02:14
ryanakcalol, yeah02:14
poningru!packaging guide02:14
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources02:14
DarkMageZnow, that could be useful!02:14
ryanakcaI have my own repos... built with .seveas's software... highly unstable... with big flashy text with warnings and all... legal junk02:14
DarkMageZi have 3 packages sofar. dosbox 0.65 & xchat 2.6.6 & rhythmbox 0.9.5 ( + cvs + ubuntu changes )02:15
DarkMageZcept the xchat package & the rhythmbox package won't install side by side, but hopefully something in the packaging guide will help me fix that02:16
ryanakcaI have 2... typespeed 0.51 (which will never make it into repos), and gnome-clipboard-manager, which I'm waiting for upstream to change the name to clipboard-manager... and I'm working on a finance app02:16
ryanakcawould http://eqonomize.sourceforge.net/   go into "mathematics", or "kde"?02:17
ryanakcait's a personal finance app02:18
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DarkMageZanyone know how i'd go about building my packages differently to avoid error's like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2023402:41
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welshbytewhat's the correct naming scheme for a package that didn't start off in debian? foo_0.4.2ubuntu1 ?02:58
ubotuUbuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes, for an explanation see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id252887302:58
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LaserJockMOTU School Session in #ubuntu-motu-school is about to start02:59
welshbytehow convenient :)02:59
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bddebianSo what do I do about --prefix=foo screwing up the path in in the binary?03:36
Lathiatbddebian: patch :)03:36
Lathiatwhats this for?03:36
ajmitchbddebian: you use --prefix=/usr03:37
bddebianajmitch: That's not what mutagen does.03:38
bddebianLathiat: bkchem03:38
Lathiatiirc you use --prefix=/usr and make install DESTDIR03:39
Lathiator somethign like that?03:39
bddebianIt's a python package using setup.py, there really isn't a install03:39
ajmitchmutagen's debian/rules doesn't even specify --prefix03:39
bddebianpython ./setup.py install --prefix debian/python-mutagen/usr03:40
bddebianFrom mutagen03:40
ajmitchyou appear to have a different mutagen than I do then03:41
bddebianThis is dappers03:41
ajmitchand since we're doing edgy stuff, I looked at the package in edgy03:41
bddebianWell I don't have an edgy machine handy03:42
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bddebianWhat is the most appropriate way to install extra files (ie desktop and icon) in a cdbs package?04:27
Gloubiboulgahi bddebian04:29
Gloubiboulgayou can use a .install file, you won't have to change debian/rules this way04:30
bddebianHi Gloubiboulga04:31
bddebianWill .install work in addition to whatever exists?04:32
GloubiboulgaI think so04:32
bddebianOK, I wasn't sure.  Thanks04:32
Gloubiboulganp :)04:32
bddebianGloubiboulga: Oh, crap but I need to cp images/icon.png to usr/share/pixmaps/bkchem.png and I have never had success with that in .install files.  Just do a cp in rules?04:36
Gloubiboulgabddebian, a cp should work fine :)04:37
GloubiboulgaI'm not sure that dh_install can rename files04:37
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bddebianGrr fsck04:42
bddebianHeya Hobbsee04:42
Hobbseehi bddebian04:44
bddebianrules doesn't like install -D or cp because there are no targets :'-(04:47
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HobbseeLaserJock: how'd it go?  the motu session04:55
welshbyteIMO it was ++good04:56
=== TheMuso was in there for a little while.
TheMusoAnd actually learnt something new. :)04:56
HobbseeTheMuso: nice!04:56
TheMusoI never kneww zless / z-other cool stuff existed.04:56
TheMusolike zipgrep04:56
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=== Hobbsee learnt not to rm -rf ~ without having a full backup of it first, not just a half one.
TheMusoWhat happened?04:57
FujitsuHeheheh. I remember what I did a few years back...04:57
HobbseeTheMuso: well, i'm going to put a clean copy of edgy on there.  had a bit of trouble copying the semi-backup04:57
FujitsuI wanted to remove all the hidden things from some directory.04:57
Hobbseeseems that i can access everything now, before the reformat, except my email04:58
FujitsuSo I ran, as root, `rm -rf .*'04:58
FujitsuI didn't expect it would go up the tree >_<04:58
Hobbseeit *doesnt*04:58
Hobbseedoes it?04:58
FujitsuIt did, I'm pretty sure. But that was 6 years ago.04:58
FujitsuI can't remember very well...04:58
=== Hobbsee runs rm -rf * often.
Hobbseein the devel directory, or whatever04:58
TheMusoHobbsee: You didn't loose email did you04:59
=== Hobbsee headdesks.
Hobbseeoh noooo.......04:59
LaserJockone time I wanted to remove all those pesky emacs backup files, normally I would run, rm  *~ but I accidently did rm * ~04:59
HobbseeTheMuso: you bet04:59
=== Hobbsee goes off swearing and cursing
=== Hobbsee seems to have lost at least .gnupg and .thunderbird
LaserJockwell I wiped my machine this afternoon05:01
LaserJockbut I meant to do it05:01
HobbseeLaserJock: so did i, but not a few crucial folders!05:01
TheMusoHobbsee: I hope you have .gnupg stored somewhere safe.05:01
HobbseeTheMuso: finding it05:02
TheMusoHowd this all happen?05:02
poningruHobbsee: if its absolutely necessary you know you can recover it right?05:02
=== welshbyte gets stuck into the debian python policy
poningruerr not sure if you have ext205:02
Hobbseeponingru: nope,  but i should be able to recover it from here05:03
Hobbseefairly sure it's ext305:03
LaserJockwelshbyte: I think we all have recently ;-)05:03
welshbytethey dropped a bomb huh? :)05:04
LaserJockwell, it's just that it isn't exactly straightforward to me what I actually have to do05:04
LaserJockI can read through the thing05:04
LaserJockbut I'm not always sure what applies, etc.05:05
jsgotangcocan anyone say to linspire just use d-i :D05:05
LaserJockanyway, I've transitioned a package I maintain in Debian05:05
LaserJockand it went ok05:05
jsgotangcoor heck even use ubiquity :D05:05
HobbseeTheMuso: got it back :)05:06
HobbseeTheMuso: as for my email though....05:06
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welshbyteLaserJock: maybe i'm out of my depth with python, as a packaging newbie then... :/05:06
LaserJockit's probably better as a newbie :-)05:07
bddebianwelshbyte: Nah, I'm doing one right now and I'm a clueless moron05:07
welshbytebddebian: so i've heard ;)05:07
HobbseeTheMuso: because i was an idiot, and tried to do things the short way.05:07
bddebianwelshbyte: Ah, word has finally gotten around eh? :-)05:08
zul_very fast :)05:08
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zul_hey Hobbsee05:09
Hobbseehi zul_05:09
LaserJockbddebian: well it's hard not to when you spread it yourself ;-)05:09
=== Hobbsee really didnt back up her email.
=== bddebian pokes LaserJock
TheMusoHobbsee: I know how it feels.05:10
TheMusoI had a drive die on me in January, and i hadn't backed up important stuff since October.05:10
HobbseeTheMuso: i got .gnupg back though.05:10
TheMusoSo I lost stuff as well05:10
HobbseeTheMuso: half of my trouble is that i dont remember what i lost05:11
TheMusoGood you got your keys back.05:11
zulHobbsee: at least you know you should have a good backup plan now05:11
=== TheMuso looks forward to the day he can switch all his email to imap.
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, exactly.05:11
TheMusoJust need to get around to doing it.05:11
Hobbseezul: hah.  or just actually check the backup first before using rm -rf a bit05:11
zulor that too05:11
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, i wish.  half of my email is like that.05:11
imbrandoni did the other day now i'm lovin it05:12
imbrandon( moved it all to imap )05:12
=== welshbyte gets paranoid and runs a website and email backup
zulheh...if google goes down im screwed05:13
TheMusoI wish gmail had imap.05:14
=== Hobbsee continues to cry.
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, me too.   did someone ever find a way around that?05:14
TheMusoNot that I know of.05:14
TheMusoI know it is certainly one of the most requested gmail features.05:15
=== TheMuso intends to move his email to imap when he moves his domain over.
Hobbseework time.05:15
welshbyteif they're stubborn about not offering imap someone could set up a service to fetchmail from google accounts and serve the email up from imap.. should be  pretty simple05:16
ajmitchbddebian: what did you want me to check?05:16
=== Hobbsee wonders about moving her @kubuntu.org somehow to an imap server.
Hobbseeoh well05:16
TheMusoHave fun at work.05:16
imbrandonHobbsee: i can help you do that later when you get home05:16
bddebianajmitch: Just see if my upload went up?05:16
TheMusoimbrandon: Rock on Dreamhost!! :)05:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: that'd be cool05:16
ajmitchbddebian: that means telling me what it is05:16
imbrandonouch i made a booboo05:16
bddebianOh, hehe, sorry bkchem05:17
imbrandonTheMuso: exactly ;)05:17
ajmitchbddebian: 0.11.4-0ubuntu1 ?05:17
bddebianajmitch: Aye05:17
ajmitchit's listed on the revu page05:17
TheMusoimbrandon: The only thing I don't like about their email, is that they *Make* you move old email from your inbox to another folder.05:17
bddebianOh, I see it now, sorry05:17
bddebianajmitch: ^05:17
HobbseeTheMuso: will, or wont do05:17
HobbseeTheMuso: i'll be thinking about whatever else i've lost05:17
TheMusoHobbsee: hehe05:17
imbrandonshiznit, ajmitch you have main privs right ? i need to make a trivial fix to something that i got uploaded earlier05:18
TheMusoIt happens to the best of us05:18
LaserJockbddebian: doh, did you do bkchem?05:18
bddebianLaserJock: Aye, should I not have?05:18
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LaserJockazeem and I would like to get it into Debian05:18
LaserJockand there is a guy that has a Debian package05:19
ajmitchimbrandon: put the debdiff on malone05:19
bddebianLaserJock: So take it, fix it and upload it to Debian :-)05:19
imbrandonajmitch: kk05:19
LaserJockbut he hasn't gotten it into Debian05:19
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LaserJockbddebian: well, I wouldn't mind seeing it in Edgy to start with, I have no idea when it'll hit Debian05:19
LaserJockbut it might get synced in the end05:20
welshbyteman this python policy is written in legalese, someone should translate it to english.. can we put it in rosetta?05:21
zulpython is still evil05:22
imbrandongrr wth, why do i keep getting this when i add a line to debian/rules " debian/rules:64: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop. " and no i dident use tab05:22
LaserJockthe first thing to do is to figure out what kind of package you are doing05:22
LaserJockwelshbyte: is this a Python library, or an application written in Python?05:22
welshbyteLaserJock: application.. in python/glade05:23
zulimbrandon: im guessing it doesnt like something at lie 6405:23
imbrandonzul: yea heh thats the line i'm adding , but it /looks/ ok , drivin me nuts05:23
LaserJockwelshbyte: ok, then that's a bit easier05:23
LaserJockwelshbyte: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy05:24
zulright im off to bed05:24
LaserJockwelshbyte: and I'd go for the python-central option (although it really doesn't matter a whole lot in the end)05:25
bddebianajmitch: Yes again05:25
welshbyteLaserJock: great, thanks for the tips :)05:26
LaserJocknp, I aim to please ;-)05:26
LaserJockI'm on a packaging buzz right now05:27
ajmitchLaserJock, packaging master05:27
LaserJockno no05:27
ajmitchmaster of masters?05:28
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ajmitchthanks for that bddebian05:28
LaserJockI'm getting a little better, I think, but I certainly don't know a whole lot about packaging05:28
ajmitchyet you hold sessions teaching others - you obviously know enough05:28
welshbytebddebian: why? whats wrong with your old one?05:29
LaserJocknobody asked the "What is ${shlibs:Depends} and what does it do"?05:29
ajmitchbut you explained it anyway?05:30
LaserJockI didn't05:30
ajmitchwhy not?05:30
LaserJockI was running out of time fast05:30
ajmitchI see05:30
LaserJockit took 2 hrs as it was05:30
LaserJockbut I at least have an idea of what it is05:30
LaserJockand could do a lot of hand waving05:31
ajmitchyou should have more than an idea05:31
ajmitchyou should be intimately familiar05:31
LaserJockof course I *should*05:31
LaserJockbut in practicality I've never had to deal with it05:31
LaserJockit just works05:31
welshbytethat bit looks pretty guessable anyway... adds the shared libraries that your package uses as dependencies?05:32
ajmitchuntil it doesn't05:32
ajmitchwelshbyte: understanding the magic behind it is another matter05:32
LaserJockajmitch: sure05:32
ajmitchwhich is sort of what I covered in my talk, all those years ago05:33
ajmitchwhich everyone has gladly forgotten about :)05:33
LaserJockthe problem is you can't get through everything in a reasonable amount of time05:33
LaserJockajmitch: I haven't forgotten05:33
LaserJockajmitch: I plan on using it in the packaging guide05:33
LaserJockat least making sure it covers what you did05:34
ajmitchyou'll want to check on anything mentioned then05:34
ajmitchto check for accuracy05:34
LaserJockI'll want you (and all the MOTUs) to check the Packaging Guide for accuracy05:34
ajmitchof course there are other fun fields to use now05:35
ajmitchlike ${cli: Depends}05:35
LaserJockit's a full time job just keeping up with all this stuff05:35
ajmitchbut if someone is packaging mono stuff they really have to read the cli policy for debian, which is still officially unofficial :)05:35
LaserJockyeah, it seems like there are a lot of unofficial policies05:36
ajmitchand it's your job as MOTU teacher to keep up with them all05:36
ajmitchthe test is tomorrow, I hope you studied05:37
hubajmitch: did dh_clideps change?05:37
ajmitchhub: from what to what?05:37
LaserJockit would be interesting to do a whole MOTU School session on dh_*05:37
hubajmitch: it fails to build here05:38
ajmitchhub: it's in cli-common-dev now05:38
hubajmitch: or has the moved out of cli-common?05:38
hubah ok05:38
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ajmitchbddebian: you can't05:38
LaserJockbah, whatever05:38
bddebianajmitch: Why the hell not?05:38
ajmitchbddebian: noone can match your wisdom05:38
LaserJockyou could teach that in your sleep05:38
hubajmitch: I just need to replace cli-common by cli-common-dev?05:38
ajmitchhub: yep05:39
bddebianajmitch: Oh, that's funny05:39
hubadding a watch file makes a lot of work05:39
=== LaserJock starts chanting "I am not worthy, I am not worthy" in bddebian
LaserJock's direction05:39
bddebianYeah right man :-)05:39
ajmitchLaserJock: don't forget the grovelling05:39
LaserJock /o\05:40
LaserJock /o\05:40
LaserJockthat's my cool ASCII art version of grovelling05:40
Lathiatthat doesnt really work so wel05:41
LaserJockwow, and I get to do it all over again in 13 hrs :-)05:42
ajmitchlucky you05:42
ajmitchI wasn't quite that crazy05:42
LaserJockwell those Europeans whined so much ;-)05:43
ajmitchplus I doubt I'll get to do a session again05:43
LaserJockwhy not?05:43
ajmitchI scared people off for most of a year after the last one05:43
=== LaserJock signs ajmitch up for the "Packaging done right" session
=== bddebian doubts that
ajmitchplus there's nothing I can teach05:43
LaserJockWhat is ${shlibs:Depends} and what does it do?05:44
ajmitchalready covered it05:44
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LaserJock"mono for the rest of us"?05:44
ajmitchI don't think I'm brave enough to talk about library packaging05:44
LaserJock"How to review, and mean it"?05:45
ajmitchslomo would be better for that05:45
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LaserJockyeah, I need to get slomo to do one05:45
LaserJock"How to be a slacker, and win"?05:45
ajmitchthat's more my style05:45
ajmitchexcept I don't win ;)05:45
ajmitchimbrandon: got your debdiff on malone yet?05:46
imbrandonajmitch: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/55969  <-- can you sponsor that please, very trivial upload05:46
UbugtuMalone bug 55969 in ktorrent "ktorrent 2.0 wont install / upgrade in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 05:46
ajmitchspell things right in the changelog, please :)05:47
imbrandongah one sec05:47
ajmitch'after upstream installer bit'05:47
ajmitchvery technical language, that05:47
LaserJockajmitch: "spelling for packagers"?05:47
ajmitch"how to be pedantic & annoy people"05:48
imbrandonheh one sec05:48
LaserJockpedantic? how elite of you ;-)05:48
ajmitchimbrandon: also mention the bug you're closing if there is one05:48
hubajmitch: what does that mean: dh_clideps: Warning! No Build-Depends(-Indep) on cli-common-dev (>= 0.4.0)! ?05:48
ajmitchLaserJock: I'm a DD, what do you expect?05:48
ajmitchwe have pedantry down to a fine art05:49
ajmitchhub: is it really missing the build-depends?05:49
ajmitchversion & all?05:49
ajmitchpastebin control05:50
hub cli-common-dev (>= 0.4.0) is in the control file05:50
hubajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/12603605:51
hubin the rules I have05:52
hubI wonder if that should still be there05:52
=== ajmitch has it in binary-predeb, but that shouldn't matter
LaserJockok, I gotta get home05:53
LaserJockgood night guys05:53
hubI have to go to bed05:53
bddebianGnight LaserJock05:53
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ajmitchhub: ok05:53
ajmitchhub: looking at dh_clideps, it really shouldn't complain about that05:54
=== LaserJock bows back
ajmitchsince it does a simple regex match on debian/control05:54
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hubajmitch: I'll see tomorrow05:54
hubajmitch: thanks for the tips05:54
imbrandonajmitch: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3874755/ktorrent.debdiff05:54
ajmitchimbrandon: hm, I guess it looks ok05:55
imbrandon;) thanks05:56
ajmitchwill take awhile to test build05:56
ajmitchI don't have most of the kde stuff cached for pbuilder05:56
imbrandonkk , i'm goin afk for a few , back in about ~20 min05:57
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bddebianGnight folks06:07
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nixternalwhoopy ;)06:32
nixternalthis gpg secret key think is really making me mad06:32
welshbyteis there a difference between Architecture: any and Architecture: all06:36
ajmitchyes, quite a lot of difference06:36
imbrandonajmitch: everything go smooth ?06:36
imbrandonwelshbyte: yea06:36
ajmitcharch: all means that there are no architecture-dependant files06:36
ajmitcharch: any means it will be rebuilt for each architecture06:36
ajmitchimbrandon: it was uploaded06:37
imbrandoncool thanks, i'll close the bug06:37
imbrandonahh new fspot ;)06:39
ajmitchand new tomboy06:39
imbrandondoes (Malone: #NNN) close a bug like debian bts ?06:40
imbrandonautomagicly i mean06:40
imbrandonheh that would be nice06:40
ajmitchbut it's good to document it in the changelog06:40
imbrandonyea true, and maybe someday the LP guys will put it in06:40
imbrandonwhat was that LP link to check the build status of it again /+builds ?06:41
ajmitchit'll take awhile to get through the system06:42
ajmitchbuildds are probably still catching up on the mass give-back06:42
imbrandongive-back ?06:43
ajmitchretry of failed builds06:43
imbrandonhrm off to look at Sime's patches06:44
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imbrandongah , ok whats the useage for dpkg --compare-versions06:59
imbrandonor is that even the right sommnd06:59
imbrandoni should write this stuff down lol06:59
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nixternalwo0t i fixed it07:04
imbrandonfixed what ?07:04
nixternaldeluid everything, then add it back  ;)07:04
nixternalthat supid gpg error07:04
nixternalstupid too07:04
nixternaland i love how pinentry remembers my pw07:04
nixternalfor a minute at least ;)07:05
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imbrandongmail + homebrew imap + kmail ;)07:06
nixternalyou know what..i miss using pine, and then mutt...talk about smooth..only reason i use kmail now is because of Kontact..it does all my PIM stuff in one spot07:11
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imbrandongnight all07:34
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Hobbseehi all09:58
Gloubiboulgahi Hobbsee09:58
Hobbseehey Gloubiboulga :)09:58
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onkarshindeCan anyone tell me who handles package for classpath?11:45
thomonkarshinde: if you have classpath installed, less /usr/share/doc/classpath/changelog.Debian.gz11:45
onkarshindethom: Ok. I just wanted to know if there is any chance of latest version getting into edgy. It has full 2D graphics support using cairo.11:46
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micahcowanI'm preparing patches for a package that already has patches through 99 (to 99a, actually). What's appropriate for this? I'm tempted to rename the patch-files to redistribute them better...12:06
thommicahcowan: you have a package with _99_ patches?12:07
micahcowanno... :-( someone went from 63 to 98 (nice, huh?). the package is coreutils, btw.12:07
micahcowanit uses dbs... so I imagine make_patch would tack on a 99b or somesuch... but it seems wrong to just leave it like that...12:09
thommicahcowan: renumbering is just going to make remerging from debian painful12:10
micahcowanah.... yes.12:11
thommicahcowan: i'd talk to mike stone (i think it's still him) and see why he did it12:11
FujitsuHobbsee, you are on a Live CD?12:11
micahcowan(she is: said so on #ubuntu-bugs)12:11
HobbseeFujitsu: yes12:11
Hobbseenot really.  it's quite nice :)12:14
tsengmorn thom, Hobbsee12:15
Hobbseehi tseng12:16
thomhey dude12:16
Hobbseetseng: i've mostly recovered :)12:16
tsengHobbsee: from?12:16
gnomefreakcan i get someone to ack https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/56001 ?12:16
UbugtuMalone bug 56001 in gnomebaker "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync gnomebaker" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 12:16
Hobbseetseng: this morning, with the loss of cruical folders :P12:16
tsengHobbsee: ah, suck12:16
Hobbseetseng: only look to have lost about 2 months of email, not sur ewhat else12:16
micahcowanis it my imagination, or did the coreutils manpages at one time actually direct to "info coreutils <tool>" (as they ought) instead of the currently broken "info <tool>"?12:18
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FujitsuHmm... It's not normal to subscribe revu-people to sync requests, is it?12:24
HobbseeFujitsu: revu people?   which group were you subscribing?12:24
FujitsuHobbsee, gnomefreak's bug has ubuntu-universe-contributors assigned to it.12:25
slomoubuntu-universe-contributors are all the people that can upload to revu12:25
HobbseeFujitsu: ah yes, that's a new group12:25
Hobbseeoops...did i not mean that...12:25
=== Hobbsee meant the group that she's the owner of
Hobbseegnomefreak: find the link off my LP page.  it's the one about universe that i show as admin of, not of kubuntu council12:25
gnomefreakHobbsee: she told me to ill change it if i get the group12:25
Hobbseeyeah, my bad12:26
slomoFujitsu: yes12:26
Fujitsuubuntu-universe-uploaders is really a little mis-named...12:26
Hobbseeah, thta's it12:26
FujitsuYeah, I was a little surprised when I found that bug in my subscribed list :)12:26
gnomefreakubuntu-universe-sponsors this one12:27
Fujitsugnomefreak, yep.12:27
gnomefreakhow do i unsubscribe the other team?12:28
Fujitsugnomefreak, I just did.12:28
gnomefreakk ty12:28
FujitsuI don't know why I was allowed to, though.12:28
FujitsuI shouldn't have been.12:28
FujitsuI don't think...12:28
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TheMusohmmm ok.12:31
TheMusoI guess that bug report was from what has just been discussed.12:31
TheMusoThat I received in my inbox.12:31
FujitsuTheMuso, yep.12:31
gnomefreakthat would be it sorry if its wrong its my first try at merge12:32
TheMusognomefreak: Thats fine.12:33
TheMusoHas somebody explained a non-MOTU sync request to you?12:33
gnomefreaknope hobbsee got me as far as i am12:34
FujitsuThat's about it, gnomefreak. Just ask a MOTU to confirm it.12:34
gnomefreakyeah that she told me12:35
TheMusoRight, well from what I was told, you file a bug against the package, requesting a sync. You ping a MOTU to look at it, they confirm it, and they also subscribe ubuntu archive admins.12:35
gnomefreakyes that is what she told me to do12:35
TheMusoBut you don't subscribe archive admins, as far as I understand it.12:35
gnomefreakoh motu subscribes them12:35
TheMusoThe MOTU has to do that afaik12:35
gnomefreakoh ok12:35
TheMusoI've done a couple of syncs this way, so I am guessing thats how its done.12:36
gnomefreaki mis read what she said sorry12:36
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FujitsuEvening again, Hobbsee.12:42
Hobbseehi Fujitsu12:43
Hobbseenice installer, that12:43
Hobbseehey cool, it's even picked the right kernel!12:43
FujitsuWhy'd you reinstall?12:43
HobbseeFujitsu: because i could.  i'd gotten lots of random rubbish installed on here12:43
FujitsuHeh, quite a good reason.12:43
gnomefreakim gonna run into conflicts on most of the merges correct?12:53
Fujitsugnomefreak, pretty much.12:53
FujitsuI've found a few where I haven't.12:53
FujitsuSpeaking of which, I have some merges.12:53
gnomefreakand the sync fixes that? so i can just retry it after the sync and it works?12:53
Hobbseegnomefreak: sometimes.12:54
FujitsuThe sync eliminates Ubuntu changes.12:54
=== TheMuso has found that the syncs he has requested have only had dependancies as Ubuntu specific changes.
StevenKSome of the merges I've done have had to do that.12:59
TheMusoNobody has started work on soundconverter have they?01:00
=== TheMuso takes that as a no.
StevenKTheMuso: We just didn't want to disappoint you.01:04
TheMusoI'm sure I would have found something else.01:04
=== Hobbsee thinks she looked.
HobbseeTheMuso: check for a sync for that.  if not, then no01:05
TheMusoSomething must be driving me to understand how to package python stuff inside out, because I manage to pick packages that have python.01:05
TheMusoHobbsee: Well there are no bugs filed re sync requests, so I'm guessing not.01:05
TheMusoSyncs are the first thing I check for.01:05
TheMusoBut as it is, I don't think this package will need a sync.01:05
=== Hobbsee wonders if she merged it last night then
HobbseeTheMuso: checked edgy changes?01:06
TheMusoWhats the easiest way to check that?01:06
StevenKsoundconverter isn't on edgy-changes.01:06
=== StevenK has it open.
HobbseeTheMuso: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/date.html01:06
HobbseeStevenK: ah01:06
TheMusoThere's an RSS feed for that isn't there?01:06
Hobbsee30 uploads in 11 days.  not bad.01:06
TheMusoIsn't it a busy list?01:06
Hobbseeiirc yes01:06
StevenKTheMuso: Depends if Hobbsee is merging a lot.01:07
=== StevenK chuckles.
HobbseeStevenK: hah01:07
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TheMusoAnybody got an idea of what one does with a package who's only python file resides in /usr/bin?01:14
TheMusoIn regards to the policy/01:14
StevenKTheMuso: As in, it's a #!/usr/bin/python script?01:15
gnomefreakoh universe syncs i should just subscribe Hobbsee's team?01:15
Hobbseegnomefreak: yeah, or get a MOTU in here to ack it01:15
TheMusoStevenK: The package only has one python script, which gets placed in /usr/bin01:15
gnomefreakcan anyone ack this? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eric/+bug/5601501:15
UbugtuMalone bug 56015 in eric "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync Eric" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 01:15
StevenKTheMuso: Just depend on python-all01:16
StevenKI doubt you need python-{support,central} at all.01:16
TheMusoThats what I'm thinking.01:17
gnomefreakis it normal to get out of office replys from bug reports lol01:20
FujitsuNot normal, but not unheard-of.01:21
FujitsuSome people have some silly systems set up.01:21
gnomefreakim assuming that is either creeator or mantianer of gnomebaker i got that reply from01:21
FujitsuOr a member of one of the subscribed teams?01:22
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derjohnQ: is there some package of a 2.6.17 kernel for _dapper_ out? (backport or so ...) My HP nx6325 machine needs that kernel to run properly if you follow (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_HP_Compaq_nx6125_with_Turion64).01:31
gnomefreakderjohn: no01:32
gnomefreakderjohn: you would have to build it for dapper from kernel.org i think01:32
TheMusoAnd get a newer udev.01:32
TheMusoI think 2.6.16 onwards has a newer udev than what is in dapper.01:32
gnomefreakyeah not sure if libc6 will be needed or not01:33
derjohngnomefreak, I had silent hope that there is already inofficial effort do package it ... also the ATI binary driver would have to be rebuild etc.01:33
zulor you could run edgy01:33
derjohni assume I cannot patch-up the ubuntu 2.6.15 with "delta" diffs from kernel.org?01:33
gnomefreakderjohn: its rare if ever that a kernel for one version will be in an earlier version too much crap/breakage to do it01:34
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derjohnzul, I run it on oneof my servers. please not on desktop, where #packages is times 4 ...01:34
derjohnzul, currently I cannot reconfigure the locales on edgy ...01:35
TheMusoHobbsee: You know there is still a couple of merges there with your name on them?01:35
derjohni'll try the noapic stuff etc. before I consider efting the machine.01:36
StevenKHell, there's a still a few there with my name on them.01:36
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah.  one's being left to lure, and the other one i uploaded yesterday01:36
lucasI was wondering: are you MOTUs running edgy or dapper ?01:36
Hobbseelucas: edgy, almost all the time01:37
=== gnomefreak edgy
=== Hobbsee had to run dapper for a bit, while the wifi was screwed in edgy. then i got rid of ndiswrapper
TheMusoHow often does that page get updated?01:37
HobbseeTheMuso: it's usually every hour, i think it's less now01:37
ajmitchlucas: edgy on all machines01:37
StevenKlucas: Dapper, with Edgy in 2 chroots.01:38
lucasok, thanks01:38
TheMuso2 chroots?01:38
Hobbseelucas: yeah.  chroots.  dont forget them.  most MOTU's and devs probably ran chroots/pbuilder as soon as edgy was out01:38
HobbseeTheMuso: sure, one for edgy, the other for dapper01:39
ajmitchTheMuso: sure, I have them for i386 & amd6401:39
=== TheMuso did until edgy bootstrapped on install easier.
lucasyes, of course, but I was talking about main system01:39
Hobbseelucas: dual, or tripple boot.  works fine.01:39
StevenKTheMuso: amd64 and i38601:39
StevenKTheMuso: I have six, as a matter of fact - Dapper, Edgy and Sid, each for i386 and amd6401:40
gnomefreaki have a main testing pc but main work pc is on dapper atm01:40
ajmitchStevenK: for some reason I haven't cleaned up my old hoary & breezy & sarge chroots yet01:40
=== StevenK has 2 breezy chroots tarred up.
gnomefreaki guess if i want to package i will have to learn chrrot01:41
Hobbseegnomefreak: or use pbuilder.01:42
=== StevenK still has to fix his pbuilder.
gnomefreakpbuilder sounds easier01:43
HobbseeStevenK: get to it :P01:43
Hobbseeit is.  much01:43
StevenKIts complaining about invalid devices for hardlinks.01:43
Hobbseeyou dotn run into the problem of unclean chroots either01:43
TheMusoPbuilder alone may not always help. I still build packages normally, if I want to see where files are being placed, and trace a debian/rules calls to various commands.01:43
=== StevenK hands TheMuso pbuilder login
TheMusoStevenK: I knew about that, but sometimes that is a little quicker.01:44
TheMusoPbuilder does take a while to get everything into place, especially if the package has a lot of depenancies.01:44
StevenKpbuilder doesn't help if you want to run a full machine.01:44
StevenKOr test KDE stuff, for that matter.01:45
=== StevenK shakes his fist at kded and nightmarish friends.
HobbseeStevenK: did you want to check TheMuso's merge, seeing as you were discussing the python stuff earlier?01:45
Hobbseemay as well give someone else a go at the edgy changes list.01:45
gnomefreaki figure id like to get a few merges under my belt before i try packaging01:46
StevenKDamn, I thought TheMuso was a MOTU.01:46
=== TheMuso clears his throat.
ajmitchgnomefreak: you've probably only got a few hours before Hobbsee finishes them all01:46
TheMusoSomeone has a great memory.01:46
Hobbseeajmitch: hah.01:46
ryanakcado we need the kde pot patch for new apps (like this was written in 2006), or is it just for older ones?01:46
StevenKTheMuso: Throw it at me, Rails is irritating me.01:46
Hobbseeryanakca: yes, we need them for all packages.01:46
TheMusoStevenK: Are you on the universe sponsors team?01:46
HobbseeStevenK: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/soundconverter/+bug/5601801:47
UbugtuMalone bug 56018 in soundconverter "Request for upload of this merged package." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 01:47
gnomefreaki dont want to throw too many sync request out at one time01:47
StevenKTheMuso: Yup.01:47
StevenKHobbsee made me do it.01:47
TheMusoDid you receive an email about it?01:47
StevenKOr something.01:47
Hobbseegnomefreak: you wont.  if you could use pitti's script to request the syncs, that'd be cool01:47
HobbseeTheMuso: i did, yeah01:47
TheMusoSo StevenK should have as well.01:47
StevenKTheMuso: Like I check my e-mail.01:47
gnomefreaktheres  ascript to request syncs?01:47
Hobbseeah yeah, cos i havent changed that so it seems to go to all places01:47
Hobbseegnomefreak: yeah, pitti wrote one recently01:47
FujitsuHobbsee, wasn't that for merges?01:47
TheMusognomefreak: Yes, but its not very useful atm01:47
TheMusoSOrry, the sponsored upload script is not useful01:48
StevenKSure it is, requestsync works great.01:48
ryanakcaHobbsee: kk, and where does the patch go? (hasn't really patched before)... debian/patches ?01:48
TheMusoBut the sync script can't be used by non-MOTUs afaik01:48
Hobbseegnomefreak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html01:48
gnomefreakty  looking01:48
StevenKTheMuso: No mail from you.01:48
Hobbseeryanakca: it's listed in the packaging guide, along with the stuff to add to debian/rules01:48
TheMusoStevenK: hmmm01:48
TheMusoHobbsee got one01:48
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, but i'm the owner of the team01:49
=== Hobbsee should, theoretically, get notifications of everything.
StevenKWhat domain would it have come from?01:49
HobbseeTheMuso: your merge requests are good, cos they have the debdiffs between each version01:50
StevenKenervated:~# grep themuso /var/log/exim4/mainlog | grep -v slug01:50
=== Hobbsee likes doing them.
HobbseeStevenK: https://launchpad.net/bugs/5601801:50
UbugtuMalone bug 56018 in soundconverter "Request for upload of this merged package." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 01:50
=== StevenK points Hobbsee at the backscroll.
HobbseeStevenK: true01:50
StevenKHobbsee: You told me that 4 minutes ago. :-P01:51
StevenKI was checking my mail server.01:51
HobbseeStevenK: bleh.01:51
ajmitchHobbsee: probably because TheMuso has been asked for other debdiffs every time :)01:51
TheMusoHobbsee: I started including debdiffs between debian as well, after MOTUs were also asking me for debdiffs for that. So I thought well its not much extra work to include Debian debdiffs as well.01:51
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HobbseeStevenK: yes, but if you'd looked at my message, you wouldnt have needed to look thru your mail01:51
HobbseeTheMuso: that's true.  i think i'll start asking people to do that.01:52
StevenKHobbsee: Which message, sorry?01:52
HobbseeStevenK: the bug report one01:52
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StevenKTheMuso: The debdiff looks sane.01:53
ajmitchHobbsee: did you lose much data?01:53
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phanaticafternoon everyone01:53
ajmitchhi phanatic01:53
TheMusoStevenK: Cool. You should see debian/rules. IMO just a little shocking.01:53
Hobbseeajmitch: about 2 months of email, irssi configs, some of .bashrc, it looks like01:53
phanatichi ajmitch01:53
ajmitchHobbsee: not too much then, though the email loss is annoying01:54
Hobbseefortunately, looks like most is still on malone01:55
phanaticHobbsee: hard drive problems?01:55
Hobbseephanatic: no, a little careless with the rm -rf01:55
phanaticHobbsee: i remember you saying a while ago that you are usually too careless with rm -rf :) but i can feel with you: just ran a fsck and found a bunch of badblocks on my hdd :(01:57
TheMusoHobbsee: SO how many wifi cards do you have now?01:57
HobbseeTheMuso: 2.01:57
=== StevenK has two as well.
Hobbseephanatic: yeah....well...theoretically the approach would have worked.  only problem was that i missed a few folders to tar.01:58
=== Hobbsee had 3 for a while :P
ajmitcha bit of a problem01:58
StevenKTheMuso: Looks fine, builds fine.01:58
TheMusoStevenK: cool01:59
StevenKTheMuso: Successfully uploaded packages.01:59
TheMusoStevenK: Thanks.01:59
StevenKMy key is your key.02:00
StevenKWell, you wish, anyway.02:00
=== StevenK sniggers at his evilness.
FujitsuAny MOTUs wanting to check+upload some merges for me?02:00
TheMusoAnybody seen Jeremie Corbier around? Just wanted to know if he doesn't mind people taking a merge or two from him. :p02:01
TheMusoFujitsu: Do you log upload sponsor requests in malone against the package?02:02
FujitsuYou can, I think, but it's not necessary.02:02
ajmitchTheMuso: Toadstool02:02
TheMusoajmitch: Ah ok thanks.02:02
=== TheMuso wishes there was a nick -> real name or vise versa table somewhere.
FujitsuYeah, that'd be nice.02:03
StevenKTheMuso: I have an autorealname script for irssi02:03
TheMusoStevenK: Doesn't always help if people's real names are in their whois info.02:04
=== StevenK glares at Hobbsee.
TheMusoWhered you get it?02:04
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gnomefreakmost of them have thier nicks in thier emails02:05
TheMusognomefreak: Not always.02:05
TheMusoJeremie's ubuntu email is not his IRC nick.02:05
StevenKTheMuso: Oh geez, somewhere off the irssi.org site02:05
TheMusoAh right.02:05
TheMusoSo how does it work exactly/02:05
StevenKWhen it sees a join event, it queries for a realname and displays it.02:06
StevenK[22:06]  -!- Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee]  has joined #ubuntu-motu02:06
StevenK[22:06]  -!- Hobbsee_ is Hobbsee02:06
StevenKLike so.02:06
=== Hobbsee_ doesnt show a real name.
=== Fujitsu chastises Hobbsee_.
gnomefreakthats what i was thinking02:06
TheMusoStevenK: Right. Only useful if you see them joining however.02:07
Hobbsee_Fujitsu: for good reason.02:07
StevenKTheMuso: Yup.02:07
gnomefreaklooks like it shows the main nick for the linked one02:07
FujitsuWhy, Hobbsee_?02:07
=== Hobbsee_ only just switched over the LP to show her real name
Hobbsee_Fujitsu: think about it.  i'm a woman among a group of men.02:07
FujitsuI guess.02:07
FujitsuPlease overcome the stereotype :)02:07
TheMusoHobbsee_: Don't let that bother you.02:08
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=== gnomefreak thinks the people Hobbsee talks to on a daily basis can help her if needed ;)
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Hobbseegnomefreak: hmmm?02:10
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Hobbseegnomefreak: hmmm?02:12
gnomefreakwh would you be worried about being the only or one of the only women in a group of men?02:13
TheMusoFujitsu: Have you started working on drivel at all yet?02:14
Hobbseenot worried.  just knowing that i have to put up with a lot mroe02:14
tsengyeah, gnomefreak doesnt have his ircname set either02:14
tsengmaybe he is secretly a girl too02:14
tsengand you are reinforcing that02:15
FujitsuTheMuso, I've done it as of about 30 minutes ago, I just need somebody to upload it :)02:15
FujitsuSame with apt-watch.02:15
FujitsuAnd xboard, and xchm, and something else I've forgotten.02:15
FujitsuAh yes, lcd4linux.02:15
ajmitchwe haven't seen much of "OMG a girl?!?" in here, actually02:15
FujitsuWhich is good, ajmitch.02:15
Hobbseeajmitch: yeah, not for a few months.02:15
gnomefreaktseng: i do it cause i had a few script kiddies give me issues after banning them02:15
Hobbseeajmitch: havent you forgotten the stuff a few months ago?02:15
ajmitchHobbsee: yes02:15
ajmitchHobbsee: I forget things from a few hours ago02:16
tseng<tseng> omg, a girl in here!?!!?!1111?02:16
Hobbseeajmitch: hah.  think of kyral02:16
gnomefreakhes a loud mouth :(02:16
ajmitchyes, he's a special case though02:16
FujitsuI don't see how people can say such things...02:17
TheMusoLast I heard, Kyro was getting into Ark Linux.02:17
tsengif I had seen it I would have banned him.02:17
=== gnomefreak had to sit in #ubuntu-offtopic watching a women who use linux bashing session for 3 hours :(
ajmitchTheMuso: of course, and he still visits us here02:17
Hobbseetseng: i'm not tempted to ban him.  i'm *very* tempted to ban another guy thouhg.02:17
tsenghe was in here recently to cry about how we don't care about the forums02:17
Fujitsugnomefreak, ouch.02:17
tsengHobbsee: does it start with a b?02:17
Hobbseetseng: indeed.02:17
tsengHobbsee: i have you covered02:17
tsengHobbsee: *hugs*02:17
Hobbseetseng: think of "pyscopathic bitch" if it helps :P02:18
=== Fujitsu looks for b*... Hmm... Not many.
=== Hobbsee hugs tseng in return
tsengFujitsu: he's not here02:18
gnomefreakive banned him a few times *warning* if you ban him expect an argument or whining02:18
=== TheMuso picks up the meaning of who was referred to.
ajmitchit wasn't hard to guess02:18
HobbseeTheMuso: :)02:18
tsenggnomefreak: I have been banning this person for 4 years02:18
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Hobbseegnomefreak: like that doesnt happen for anyone else02:19
tsenggnomefreak: back to hardened gentoo days02:19
ajmitchtseng: seems like a slow learner02:19
gnomefreakhes been around that long?02:19
tsengajmitch: he's mellowed, believe it or not02:19
=== Hobbsee could ban him from all ubuntu channels, effectively now....
gnomefreaki would have asked for perm ban by now02:19
Hobbseenot -bugs though.02:19
ajmitchtseng: that's worrying02:19
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FujitsuIs he around at all at the moment>02:20
HobbseeFujitsu: no02:20
=== Hobbsee checked that first :P
FujitsuI mean, not just in this channel.02:21
Hobbseeuser on channels: #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic02:21
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gnomefreakok i dont ever see him in those channels :(02:22
tsengyou cant ban him retroactively02:22
zulwho is this?02:23
tsengyou know.02:23
=== Fujitsu exports user lists and calculates the intersection between the three channels.
Hobbsee[22:21]  [Whois]  bluefoxicy is a user on channels: #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic02:26
Hobbseeis the full line02:26
FujitsuI checked that!02:26
azeemhrm, it's not BenC.02:27
thomazeem: heh02:27
TheMusoWHat is Steven J Harms's irc Nick?02:27
FujitsuOf course.02:27
FujitsuHe's +i, so I see:02:27
Fujitsu [bluefoxicy]  #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic #launchpad02:27
TheMusoHe been around lately?02:27
azeemis #ubuntu +s now?02:27
gnomefreaki havent seen him really since the crap in -ops with him02:27
FujitsuHe was one of my first guesses... But I discounted him... Silly +i.02:28
azeemor +i then02:28
FujitsuPeople have +i, not channels.02:28
gnomefreak+i a channel is invite only02:28
azeemso why doesn't #ubuntu show up in his /whois?02:28
FujitsuBecause I'm not in #ubuntu.02:28
Hobbseeazeem: it does?02:29
azeemHobbsee: if you're not in #ubuntu, I mean02:29
tsengon a real ircd, you can see peopls channels02:29
azeemI thought that only happens for +s chans02:29
tsengunless they are +s02:29
Hobbseeazeem: ah.02:29
tsengfreenode likes to be increasingly distanced from everyone else02:29
Fujitsu+i means you can only see the person's channels if you're in those channels.02:29
thomfreenode has a "special" ircd02:29
FujitsuYep, dancer-ircd.02:29
azeemFujitsu: ok02:29
FujitsuI was playing with it last night.02:30
tsengthey always used dancer02:30
FujitsuIt's a silly thing.02:30
gnomefreakhes got that hiding turned on02:30
tsengbut it was more recntly that they started breaking with everyone else02:30
gnomefreakif you are not in the channel with him you cant see them02:30
FujitsuYep, mode +i.02:30
azeemwell, not a big issue anyway, I just checked his /whois, and saw #launchpad intead of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic and thought you people be talking about somebody else02:30
thomyeah, by all accounts there're some *really* horrific patches in feenode's dancer02:30
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Fujitsuazeem, exactly.02:31
Hobbseeazeem: ahhh...02:31
FujitsuSame as me.02:31
ryanakcaHobbsee: mind pointing me in the direction of that packaging guide you were talking about? the "Packaging for Kubuntu" on just says how to use po, and where to get the patch, and the debian new maintainers guide talks about .dpatch, not .diff02:32
Hobbseeryanakca: i was referring to the kubuntu section of the ubuntu packaging guide02:33
ryanakcaHobbsee: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-kubuntu.html   ?02:33
Hobbseeryanakca: yep02:33
ryanakcaHobbsee: it says to add 2 lines to debian/rules, but not what I should do with the .diff (I've never patched before)...02:35
Hobbseeryanakca: the .diff goes into debian/patches02:36
ryanakcakk, that's it?02:36
Hobbseeand the 2 lines go into debian/rules, so that the pot files are actually created02:36
Hobbseeah, if it's cdbs, it should be.  are there already files in debian/patches?02:36
Hobbseecan you pastebin debian/rules?02:36
ryanakcanothing in debian/patches, no such directory, I'll create it, and theres allready a po/eqonomize.pot02:37
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ryanakcaIt's a package of a new app... rules: http://pastebin.ca/12639102:39
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ryanakcathe po/eqonomize.pot is from upstream, btw...02:39
Toadstoolheya everybody02:41
ryanakcahey Toadstool02:41
Toadstoolhi ryanakca02:41
Hobbseeicky debhelper02:42
Hobbseesomeone tell ryanakca about how to add patches with debhelper02:42
Hobbseeor send him to the -motu school logs on patching02:42
=== Fujitsu protects debhelper.
=== Fujitsu tells the debhelper not to let evil mean CDBS-loving Hobbsee upset it
=== Hobbsee conscripts Fujitsu to use YADA for the rest of his life. NYAH!!!!!
Toadstoolryanakca: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources?02:43
=== Fujitsu explodes.
StevenKYou said the *evil* word.02:43
=== Hobbsee thinks that's an appropriate evil.
Toadstooler, YADA...02:43
=== Toadstool runs away
HobbseeStevenK: i did.  speaking of which, have you considered the fact that a package that usually builds with yada could instead be built with checkinstall?  and then maybe downloaded with a wifi card that needs ndiswrapper to run?02:44
Hobbseeoh the evil...the EVIL!!!02:44
ryanakcaewww cdbs02:44
=== Hobbsee runs away at that.
=== Fujitsu begins to hyperventilate.
FujitsuHobbsee, you have scarred me for life.02:44
=== StevenK drops to the floor and convulses.
azeem<moshez> mhp: I do great evil!02:45
azeem<mhp> moshez: you code perl?!02:45
azeem<moshez> no, GREAT evil02:45
HobbseeStevenK: and then posts the link on my myspace :P02:45
thomazeem: ah, moshez. those were the days02:45
zulaccording to my evil test im pure evil02:45
StevenKHobbsee: NOT HELPING02:45
=== Hobbsee suspects that will be the final straw of evil.
azeemthom: yeah02:45
tsenghaha myspace02:45
=== Hobbsee hugs StevenK
StevenKzul: If you have to declare it, you aren't.02:46
zulStevenK: but its generally known02:46
Kamping_Kaiseris there a basic debian/rules file i could look at for reference?02:47
Hobbseetseng: this is the great thing about myspace.  everyone flocks to look, then immediately wishes they didnt.02:47
StevenKKamping_Kaiser: The 'hello' package02:47
Hobbseetseng: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak02:47
Kamping_KaiserStevenK, ok, i'll grab it, thanks02:48
StevenKMust ... resist ... temptation.02:48
Hobbseetseng: *that* is why StevenK is being horrified.02:48
StevenKMy fragging retinas are *still* hurting.02:48
Hobbseeso are your wife's, probably02:48
Hobbseetseng: actually, you get used to it after a while.02:48
tsengim not sure i do02:49
=== Hobbsee got bugged over and over by some friends to get one. so i did, just to get back at them :P
=== TheMuso has no retinas to cause pain to. :p
tsengbut i liked the pony bit02:49
=== Fujitsu convulses.
tsengjdub added that the the fridge for me02:49
tsengbefore it went live02:49
FujitsuTheMuso, you're lucky in this case :P02:49
tsengits still there afaik02:49
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, nice02:49
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: yeah, very :P02:49
tsenghaha it says you are a Swinger02:49
Toadstooler, """nice""" :)02:49
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, :P:)02:49
Hobbseetseng: it says all sorts of rubbish.02:50
TheMusoFujitsu: I do actually have some sight.02:50
tsengHobbsee: mine says nearly nothing02:50
TheMusoWhats the URL?02:50
thomyou won't after you look at that site02:50
FujitsuTheMuso, are you sure you will after you look at this?02:50
HobbseeTheMuso: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak02:50
Fujitsuthom, exactly.02:50
FujitsuHobbsee, that is truely an abomination.02:51
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, i just managed to read some text - hillarious02:51
StevenKTheMuso: Looking at it in elinks is cheating02:51
HobbseeFujitsu: *exactly*02:51
=== TheMuso thinks of what music could be syncronised with that colour pattern.
=== Hobbsee enjoyed their responses.
TheMusoStevenK: I'm not.02:51
TheMusoHobbsee: YOu should treasure that. Its a work of art. :)02:51
=== Fujitsu hits TheMuso.
TheMusoA disco in your web browser.02:51
ajmitchTheMuso: yes, modern art certainly encompasses a lot these days02:51
HobbseeTheMuso: a guy in a kubuntu meeting sent me that background.  it would have been about 7.30am at the time.02:52
ajmitchHobbsee: impressive02:52
=== TheMuso imagines those cheesy sets of lights that mobile DJs have after seeing that pattern.
=== ajmitch tries to clear the headache
zulim going to have a seizure if keep looking at that page02:53
StevenKStop talking about the page!02:53
=== Kamping_Kaiser sets it as desktop :P
StevenKMy retinas are starting to bleed again.02:53
ajmitchStevenK: just proof that Hobbsee is evil02:53
=== StevenK nods.
=== StevenK squishes the evil.
=== TheMuso has just got a musical idea from that.,
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: new gnome desktop, maybe.02:54
Hobbseeyou'd get a lot of people starting to use kde...02:54
Kamping_Kaiserexept the 15y/o girls who make sites like that ;P02:54
=== Fujitsu considers deploying that background to every computer in the school.
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=== Hobbsee should suggest that to sabdfl, see if he takes it.
=== ajmitch looks at his passport & decides to go & visit Hobbsee to make her stop it. now.
TheMusoThe sort of music that would practically hypnotise anybody looking at the page and listening. :p02:54
Hobbseeajmitch: haha.  make sure you sneak in quietly, you know what my parents are like with kerfew.02:55
Kamping_Kaiseroh, the letters move02:55
HobbseeTheMuso: ooh...that'd be fun02:55
HobbseeFujitsu: oh yeah, thanks02:55
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: that they do :P02:55
=== tseng posts on the page
=== gnomefreak thought kerfew was a kde thing
ajmitchHobbsee: I don't think I could get there until tomorrow evening at the earliest02:56
StevenKTheMuso: Hobbsee will ask for the music and put it on the page.02:56
Hobbseeajmitch: ahh right...02:56
=== ajmitch checks flights
TheMusoStevenK: Thats the idea.02:56
HobbseeStevenK: i'd have to use that awful interface to do it.02:56
StevenKWould the evil be worth it?02:56
=== TheMuso can be evil too, when he puts his mind to it.
HobbseeStevenK: debatable.02:56
tseng"Error: You must be someone's friend to make comments about them."02:56
tsengtoo bad02:56
TheMusoJust a little more suttle however.02:56
Hobbseetseng: gah.  didnt that get taken out?02:57
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, i cant put an S in place, i keep loosing it in the grey :(02:57
tsengHobbsee: apperantly not02:57
tsengI only get on here to look at friends show times02:57
tsengfor local bands02:57
tsengand hear their songs02:57
ajmitchHobbsee: actually if I get to christchurch by 4AM, I could be in sydney by 7:30AM AEST02:57
ajmitchthat suitable? :)02:57
Hobbseehehe nice02:57
StevenKajmitch: I can do it by proxy.02:58
ajmitchStevenK: that sounds good02:58
=== StevenK could be at Hobbsee's house in about 20 minutes.
tsengajmitch: your planes arent delayed?02:58
tsengajmitch: (http://craphound.com/images/liquids-on-a-plane.jpg)02:58
ajmitchtseng: not that I've heard02:58
ajmitchit's not like anyone cares about transtasman flights02:58
tsengno, but australia does whatever the us does02:59
=== tseng hides
=== StevenK says "Who wants to go there, anyway?" in a Kiwi accent.
tsengStevenK: your a kiwi?02:59
StevenKI am not.02:59
ajmitchseems that we're allowed carry-on bags, but no liquids02:59
ajmitchwhat a shame02:59
tsengoh damn02:59
tsengyou're an aussie02:59
=== Fujitsu hits tseng a bit.
Hobbseetseng: seems to be set to anyone can comment02:59
FujitsuI am an Aussie!02:59
=== StevenK kicks tseng.
tsengHobbsee: not me, ma'am02:59
zultseng: well we all know that nz is australia junior03:00
=== Fujitsu hits zul.
Hobbseetseng: odd03:00
ajmitchzul: just like canadia is just another american state?03:00
zulajmitch: exactly03:00
FujitsuEy, I'm Canadian as well!03:00
thomajmitch: australia too03:00
tsengHobbsee: ive given up03:00
ajmitchthom: true03:01
Hobbseetseng: seems that you have to be logged in, i'm not sure03:01
tsengI was logged in03:01
Kamping_Kaiserhm. i like moving letters03:01
=== Kamping_Kaiser better leave before he gets involved in it
TheMusoSo what have people got planned for their weekends? :p03:01
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: haha03:02
TheMusoJumping on planes it seems. :p03:02
HobbseeTheMuso: to take over the world, and burn people's eyes out.03:02
tsengTheMuso: picking up the piles of mail i sorted on the floor 2 weeks ago03:02
TheMusoHobbsee: I'd better keep away then. Even though I can't see as well as yourself, I still have eyes and a face that I would rather not have scarred. :)03:02
ajmitchI think I'll stay in NZ03:03
HobbseeTheMuso: haha03:03
=== Kamping_Kaiser pouts. i want movy text
TheMuso...was it something I said? Or has conversation just decided to die?03:08
StevenKHobbsee killed it.03:08
StevenKEvil Hobbsee.03:08
Kamping_KaiserTheMuso, freenode died, at that moment03:08
TheMusoWell it died in an interesting way. :p03:08
=== Hobbsee killed it. again
Hobbseeit wanted to die03:09
TheMusoDid it?03:09
=== TheMuso glares at Hobbsee.
StevenKIt's Freenode, it *begs* to die.03:09
TheMusoOh thats right. I can't glare at anyone.03:09
=== TheMuso glares at blackness
ajmitchblame Hobbsee anyway03:10
StevenKNo, blame New Zealand!03:10
Hobbseeit's all new zealand's fault.03:11
ajmitchof course it is03:11
ajmitchsince we obviously control freenode03:11
=== StevenK nail it back to wool production, if you like.
StevenKs/nail/could nail/03:12
TheMusoAny kind MOTU feel like looking this one over? Malone bug 5602503:12
UbugtuMalone bug 56025 in moc "Request package sync from Debian unstable." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5602503:12
=== Hobbsee doesnt remember that being syncable. or something was up with that.
TheMusoHobbsee: Really?03:14
TheMusoWhen was that?03:14
StevenKCurrent release:  2.4.0-1build103:14
StevenKThat's only a rebuild03:15
tsengbuilds are auto-synced03:15
=== Hobbsee wonders why she got confused wiht that.
ajmitchTheMuso: for sync requests, keybuk really appreciates it if you put the version number in03:15
TheMusoajmitch: ah ok.03:15
ajmitchtseng: except that the autosync stopped, so we have to request every time03:15
TheMusoI'll edit.03:15
tsengajmitch: yes but its not "unsyncable"03:16
=== Hobbsee wonders if gentoo's patch was still needed.
tsengsomeone put a patch in build1?03:16
Hobbseeahh...excuse my idiocy03:17
TheMusoajmitch: Thanks for the heads up.03:19
Toadstoolhmm, moc builds fine in my amd64 pbuilder03:20
=== TheMuso notes he has some other syncs open, so goes to update those.
HobbseeTheMuso: are they all approved?03:21
ToadstoolTheMuso: moc confirmed03:21
TheMusoTheres also Bug #5531903:23
UbugtuMalone bug 55319 in spiralsynthmodular "Request sync of latest spiralsynthmodular version from Debian, oveversion" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5531903:23
FujitsuGoodnight, everybody.03:25
TheMusoNight Fujitsu.03:25
FujitsuSee ya TheMuso.03:26
Hobbseenight Fujitsu03:26
neutrinomassThere's also a sync request by a debian developer that has probably gone unnoticed so I'm bringing it up ... bug 5368703:26
UbugtuMalone bug 53687 in Ubuntu "please ship leptonlib 1.37, not 1.36" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5368703:26
=== neutrinomass can't really find the leptonlib package though ...
HobbseeTheMuso: why get rid of the .deskto for spiralsynthmodular?03:28
TheMusoAah. Didn't even see that.03:29
TheMusoWill reject bug.03:29
HobbseeTheMuso: that's definetly a merge.03:31
TheMusoHobbsee: I know that now.03:31
ajmitchneutrinomass: libleptonica03:31
TheMusoWorking on it.03:31
HobbseeTheMuso: :)03:31
ajmitchwhich didn't appear to make it in at all03:31
neutrinomassajmitch: Yep... I found it in Debian, not in Ubuntu though03:32
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=== TheMuso decides to get ready for bed while pbuilder works.
Hobbseegrr.  kdbg doesnt seem to build.03:39
=== Hobbsee waits for upstream to fix it.
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TheMusoSo I return, just as the package starts to get configured.03:45
ajmitchdon't you hate waiting for apt-get to finish resolving dependencies?03:46
TheMusoAnd downloading them03:46
=== Hobbsee uses imbrandon's machine which has a local mirror for that reason.
Hobbseeit's sync time!03:47
TheMusoAh right.03:47
TheMusoLucky you.03:48
TheMusoI may decide to keep a local mirror when I have my file server built, and ADSL2. :p03:48
=== Hobbsee suddenly got a flood of email.
Bazzidoes it take long for you for apt to resolve depoendencies etc? I never had a problem with the time it takes03:48
HobbseeTheMuso: connection here is a bit sucky now.03:48
HobbseeBazzi: in a pbuilder, it takes quite a while03:48
ajmitchBazzi: for pbuilder, yes03:48
HobbseeTheMuso: particularly if i'm at uni03:48
Bazzioh, for pbuilder03:48
ajmitchsince it repeatedly simulates installing a set of packages03:48
TheMusoPackages which draw in 30 odd MB of deps can be a little on the long side.03:49
ajmitchTheMuso: is that all?03:49
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TheMusoajmitch: ?03:49
Bazziok a local mirror might make sense then ;)03:49
ajmitchTheMuso: I've seen some that require much more than that03:50
TheMusoajmitch: Well I haven't. :p03:50
TheMusoAs far as I can remember.03:50
bddebianHeya gang03:51
TheMusoHey bddebian.03:52
bddebianHello TheMuso03:52
ajmitchhello bddebian03:52
bddebianHi ajmitch03:52
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TheMusoMeh. I'll check up on that build in the morning .Wanna get to bed, so will take care of later. :)03:56
TheMusoNight folks03:56
ajmitchnight TheMuso03:56
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bddebianGnight TheMuso, ajmitch03:57
ajmitchI said I should03:58
ajmitchI haven't quite got there yet03:58
bddebianOh, well get to work then.. ;-P03:59
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nexuwhat package include pyversions ?04:39
Toadstoolnexu: "python-minimal: /usr/share/python/pyversions.py" according to dpkg -S04:42
nexui still get sh: pyversions: command not found04:44
Toadstoolnexu: the python package creates the /usr/bin/pyversions -> /usr/share/python/pyversions.py symlink iirc04:45
nexuyeah i just did that04:45
nexutrying again now04:45
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chillywillyI am writing an init script for this grey listing daemon (sqlgrey) and there a switch (-d) to put the thing into the background, but if the process fails to stasrt a pid file is written out anyway so the start-stop-daemon command returns success even if the daemon fails to start...is it me or is that really poor behavior?04:55
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chillywillyif start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $SQLGREYPID \04:56
chillywilly--exec $SQLGREY -- $sqlgrey_opts; then04:56
chillywillywas doing something like that04:56
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chillywilly I suppose it's because the process is put into the background04:58
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matidHi everyone. Where can I find any info on prerequisites to be given upload access to REVU?05:13
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU05:14
Gloubiboulgathere :)05:14
matidGloubiboulga: Thanks ;)05:14
Gloubiboulganp :)05:15
matidIf I update a package and I'd like it to be uploaded to Ubuntu can I safely ignore lintian warnings regarding NMU?05:19
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AnAntdoes anyone know the name of the widget that looks like a bubble , Ubuntu uses this widget in it's update manager to tell if there are new updates or need to reboot05:20
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tsengits libnotify05:21
tsengnot really a gtk widget you create directly05:21
AnAnttseng: oh, a library05:22
AnAntso I need my program to be in C to use it05:27
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geserwhich language do you use?05:29
Kyral_LaptopI walk in and I see Perl05:30
Kyral_LaptopI am happy :P05:30
zulim not05:30
zulperl is evil most of the time05:30
AnAntKyral_Laptop: you remind me of the poem called "She walks in beauty "05:30
Kyral_LaptopNever heard it05:31
AnAntnevermind, so is it possible to use libnotify in perl ?05:32
geserthere seems to be no perl bindings for libnotify05:32
AnAntok, thanks05:33
geserperhaps you could use notify-send from the libnotify-bin package05:33
AnAntoh, that sounds nice05:33
AnAntgeser: thanks a lot, that worked :)05:35
AnAntbtw, I sent some packages on REVU long time ago, and didn't get any comments on them05:36
AnAntespecially there is a new package not in Debian nor Ubuntu05:36
AnAntcalled acon05:36
AnAntfor arabic users05:36
matidI fixed bug 55799. What's the proper way for me to make this fix actually be uploaded to repositories? Should I attach the debdiff file or upload the package to REVU?05:36
UbugtuMalone bug 55799 in edenmath.app "Typo in package description" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5579905:36
matidI'm not a member of any packaging team05:37
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gesermatid: is it a large debdiff?05:41
matidgeser: I don't think so. I just fixed a typo. It's 56 lines long05:41
matidgeser: But this will be an initial ubuntu upload. It was only synced from debian, I think05:42
matidgeser: Or at least the version doesn't end with ubuntu*05:42
geserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs says upload the debdiff and assign it to the motureviewers team05:45
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matidgeser: Thanks05:48
geserthere is also a ubuntu-universe-sponsors team but I don't know when you should choose it and when motureviewers05:50
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AmaranthHow do I make my package install a file but then have upgrades not overwrite that file?06:31
AmaranthIt's not really a conffiles thing, I don't think. It's an SQLite DB, getting a diff of that would be useless. :P06:31
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matidHi LaserJock06:52
LaserJockhi matid06:52
axisys!date -u06:55
ubotuI know nothing about date -u - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu06:55
Amaranth@now Chicago06:55
ubuntu-esAmaranth: Error: "now" is not a valid command.06:55
UbugtuCurrent time in America/Chicago: August 11 2006, 11:55:5206:55
Amaranthwtf is that?06:55
ubuntu-esAmaranth: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.06:57
LaserJockAmaranth: who are you?06:57
Amaranthwho owns ubuntu-es?06:58
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Amaranthit needs to go away or change it's prefix06:58
LaserJock### MOTU School Session: "Packaging Basics" is about to start in #ubuntu-motu-school ###06:58
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gnubeI think I missed the session. Bummer07:11
LaserJockit's going on right now07:11
LaserJockin #ubuntu-motu-school07:11
gnubeOh really? Where?07:11
gnubeoh, gggg.07:11
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segfaulthow is the review process going?08:06
sbalneavLaserJock: pinggggg08:09
LaserJocksbalneav: what?08:11
sbalneavwhen's the next motu-school.  I should attend08:11
LaserJockit's going on now08:12
neutrinomassI don't want the interrupt the -school session, so I'll ask here: Is renaming an original tarball to .tar.gz neccessary if it originally was .tgz ?08:12
LaserJockI think so08:12
Gloubiboulganeutrinomass, yes08:12
neutrinomassGloubiboulga: Besides renaming it (and maybe mentioning it in the changelog), should anything else be done ?08:13
crimsunthat's if you're packaging from scratch08:13
crimsunif you use uupdate, that step is unnecessary08:13
crimsun(uupdate of course requires an existing package infrastructure)08:14
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Gloubiboulganeutrinomass, you just have to rename the file I think08:15
neutrinomassGloubiboulga: ok, thanks08:16
neutrinomass(I'm quite unlucky today it seems). I got the upstream tarball but unpacking it creates a foobar-2.1 directory and a symbolic link 'foobar' in the cwd that points to foobar-2.1 - what should be done ?08:18
Gloubiboulgano idea actually...08:19
Gloubiboulgayou can run your mailing app and write a nice mail to upstream asking them to provide a clean tarball :)08:20
crimsunthat's the best thing to do.08:22
neutrinomassOk, will do.08:23
siretartToadstool: I finally managed to get your patch into production08:28
siretartToadstool: I just switched the apache config to use the bzr checkout, instead of the svn one. so merging patches is way easier now08:28
siretartif someone wants something uploaded to revu, please ping me.08:32
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siretartI disabled the cronjob because I want to do the next run manually for testing purposes08:32
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sharmscan anyone recommend a good package for time /task logging?08:38
siretartsharms: I've been using gnotime for a while, I read that canonical employees are using gtimelog08:40
sharmsjust what i was looking for, thanks08:40
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GloubiboulgaLaserJock, you're a star now ;)09:09
LaserJockheh, not exactly09:09
GloubiboulgaI think that a lot of people were really interested in this session09:10
Gloubiboulgapeople who didn't know who to get started09:10
gnubeI know I was really interested in this, and I have submitted packages to debian already.09:11
LaserJockok, time for a break09:15
LaserJockhehe, about 15 minutes into the session my boss came in and reminded me I was supposed to be doing a fire extinguisher training :-)09:16
LaserJocksomehow I always end up missing these trainings09:19
LaserJockI'm going into my 5th year09:19
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LaserJockand I just this year got my laser safety training09:19
siretartLaserJock: nice motu school session, indeed09:19
LaserJockand I've been the lab laser safety officer for a couple years09:20
LaserJocksiretart: well, it's ok09:20
LaserJockI'd like to see it more compact (+m might help :-) )09:20
bddebianTime to head home. Later folks09:20
LaserJockI had wanted to look at 3 packages09:20
LaserJockbut it took 2 hrs just to get through 1 :-)09:21
LaserJockcya bddebian09:21
crimsunthree is a bit much09:21
crimsunit took me three hours to cover three packages, and that was with an effective audience of two09:21
LaserJockyes, well the last 2 where just quick ones09:22
LaserJocklike mutagen to show what CDBS looks like09:22
crimsunpersonally it's much nicer to field questions as they come in, making it feel more like an actual session09:22
LaserJockbut you really can't do much in 1-2hrs09:23
LaserJockwell, I would have liked to be able to put stuff out and then unmod it09:23
LaserJockand have designated question breaks ;-)09:23
LaserJockbut it works out ok09:23
LaserJockI like having stuff as it comes up09:23
crimsunI'd really like to be able to use a videocast or something09:23
LaserJockbecause I often forget a point09:23
LaserJockand it's nice to have somebody ask a question that reminds me09:24
LaserJockcrimsun: video cast would be interesting as I'm sitting here in lab and my boss was coming in and out09:25
LaserJockasking me questions, etc.09:25
crimsunof your screen09:25
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crimsunlike a read-only vnc for multiple users09:25
LaserJockwell you don't want that either, I used OS X 90% of the time09:25
crimsunI don't see how that's relevant09:25
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crimsunas a raging Ubuntu-aholic MOTU, I doubt you'll lose that09:27
LaserJockoh, I'm tired09:27
LaserJockI'm doing 2 weeks of intense contributor development09:27
LaserJockand then I'll need a break09:27
LaserJockI've got 2 presentation at Ubucon next week09:28
LaserJocktrying to work on a "contributing to Ubuntu" doc with lloydinho09:29
LaserJockand I've seemed to have picked up a "pester the forums with 'Ubuntu is a community project, come contribute'" habit this week ;-)09:30
LaserJockbut after Ubucon, man I'm going to crash09:30
crimsunwell, take a well deserved break, then09:31
crimsunI had to myself09:31
LaserJockit's so easy to get sucked in09:31
LaserJockUbuntu is more than contagious09:31
LaserJockit's like a vortex that sucks you in09:32
crimsuneasy solution for that09:32
crimsunwork for Canonical09:32
crimsunoh you'll find you don't have that problem :-)09:32
LaserJockI've made up my mind that I don't want to work for Canonical09:33
LaserJockno matter how appealing it sounds some days09:33
matidLaserJock: Why is that?09:33
LaserJockfor one, my wife would divorce me ;-)09:34
LaserJockand I'm a chemist and I like being one09:34
LaserJockso while Ubuntu is awesome and a great thing to volunteer for09:34
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LaserJockI don't want it to become a "job"09:34
LaserJockand besides, there are tons of people waaaay more qualified than me to work fof Canonical09:35
LaserJockI'd rather have them working on my distro09:35
crimsunthe former reason is valid, the latter is rubbish09:35
welshbyteheh, my housemate said i can take over as maintainer of his project which i was attempting to package yesterday09:36
LaserJockhmm, that reminds me, I was going to go edit the BddebianIsAGod page :-)09:36
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zulLaserJock: why not you can work at home...naked even09:40
LaserJockwell, if I was a theoretical chemist I could do that09:40
LaserJockbut I'm not09:40
LaserJocksomehow I decided to do a PhD on something that involves almost no computer work09:41
LaserJockI have thought about working for a scientific software company09:41
zulyou could make bombs :)09:41
LaserJockI already do09:41
LaserJockjust very small ones ;-)09:42
zulcherry bombs? :)09:42
LaserJockyou should have seen what happend to our lab when a stupid postdoc exploded a gas cylinder09:42
Chonsi just joined the team on LP. so hello everybody!09:43
LaserJockthe Environmental Health & Saftey department made a poster of it and put it on their homepage ;-)09:43
gnubeLaserJock, Do you have a link?09:43
gnubeWould love to check that out.09:43
LaserJockhmm, they might have taken it down already09:44
LaserJockit was up for a few years09:44
gnubeGoogle perhaps . . .09:44
LaserJocklet me see if I can dig it up09:44
Toadstoolsiretart: thanks :)09:46
crimsunhey now, don't disparage the stupid postdocs09:46
siretartToadstool: you're welcome. I'm happy for every patch I get09:47
LaserJockwell, the guy had to move to CS so....09:47
zulblowing up things too easy for him?09:47
LaserJockyeah, he also drilled holes through $500 optics with the laser09:48
crimsunmeaning he has a doctorate in chem and then went back for compsci? That's not stupidity, just insanity.09:48
zulLaserJock: heh...thats something i would do09:50
LaserJockwell, when you have to teach people how to use a wrench, it's not a good sign for an experimental physical chemistry group09:50
zulheh...i electrocuted my lap partner once09:50
LaserJockand he apparently like cruching number09:50
tsengyou mean lab partner?09:50
tsengi hope09:50
zuler...yeah...i did09:51
tsengthe other way would be sortof kinky, in the aberant sort of way09:51
LaserJockthat took me a minute to see09:51
tseng..not that theres anything wrong with that09:51
LaserJockyeah, my math teacher in undergrad was dyslexic, sometimes you had to check your note carefully09:52
zuli can usually catch myself but sometimes it slips09:53
tsengthat first background is not the default i would have chosen09:53
tsengif i were building a distro09:53
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zultseng: it looks like you puked on the desktop09:54
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tsengzul: yeah.09:55
tsengzul: maybe because its based on gentoo09:55
zultseng: heh...now now :)09:55
tsengor kde!09:56
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zulhobbsee is not up yet..09:57
tsengI will get her some other time09:57
LaserJockbah, those sabayon guys10:00
LaserJockI went looking for the developers of the gnome profile editor, sabayon10:00
LaserJockso I found a #sabayon channel and start chatting10:01
LaserJockhehe, wrong sabayon ;-)10:01
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LaserJockman, quicksilver has just increased my OS X experience a lot. I can see why that deskbar applet thingy is so cool10:09
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tsengfirefox 1.9910:45
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Chonsi would like to start contributing with packaging truecrypt. there is already a package by the company itself but it is always out of date. i still got 2 questions. Where can I find out if someone is working on a package for truecrypt yet? And may there possibly a problem with the licence? I am not so keen in legal stuff, but I think that 2. b. might be critical. http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php10:49
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ToadstoolChons: looks like the licence prevents truecrypt from being packaged for Debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00294.html10:53
tseng1. You may copy and/or distribute This Product, provided that You do not modify10:53
tsengany part of This Product10:53
tsengthis is non-free10:53
tsengI think its even a gray area if you can apply a diff.gz10:54
tsengfor packaging foo10:54
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tsengadding new files might be ok10:55
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Chonsok, then according to the debian-thread packaging would be a bad idea as the licence is unclear10:59
tsengI agree10:59
Chonsperhaps they change the licence if I write them about that issue. a bsd licence might work for them11:01
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matidNight guys11:20
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