[12:10] <hub> sigh
[12:10] <hub> and dh_clideps is no longer?
[12:11] <hub> I'll go and check that later
[12:11] <hub> nothing urgent
[01:04] <neutrinomass> (I asked this earlier but no one responded so I apologise for spamming) Are inline changes acceptable to fix typos/other minor issues ?
[01:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:14] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian
[01:14] <bddebian> Hello Fujitsu
[01:15] <bddebian> Dang it, how do I read MemoServ messages?
[01:15] <Hawkwind> /msg memoserv read 1 or read all
[01:15] <bddebian> Ah, thx
[01:15] <Hawkwind> s/all/last
[01:22] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[01:22] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[01:22] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> dont seem to have broken my system too badly
[01:24] <Fujitsu> ?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> i was messing with it earlier
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Ah. Doing what?
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Maybe she did mess it up :P
[01:26] <bddebian> heh
[01:27] <Fujitsu> I can't be seeing this...
[01:27] <Fujitsu> They announced the Community Council meeting more than 24 hours in advance?
[01:28] <ajmitch> surely not
[01:29] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[01:29] <zul> its only community council :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> hello
[01:29] <Fujitsu> ANd it's at 2am :(
[01:30] <ajmitch> sounds fair
[01:31] <zul> noooo..
[01:31] <bddebian> anyone know of a well done (meaning packaging) python app for me to look at?
[01:31] <crimsun> mutagen.
[01:31] <bddebian> Thanks crimsun
[01:31] <bddebian> Hi btw
[01:33] <crimsun> di
[01:33] <crimsun> err, hi
[01:33] <bddebian> You want me to die? :'-(
[01:33] <bddebian> :-)
[01:41] <ash211> does anybody know much about QuinnStorm's Compiz packages?
[01:41] <ajmitch> yes
[01:42] <ash211> on the most recent update, apt only wants to update compiz and compiz-gnome, but not compiz-kde
[01:42] <ash211> (I'm running kde)
[01:43] <ash211> before all three updated
[01:43] <ajmitch> in any case, it's an external repository
[01:43] <ash211> updating the compiz package will remove compiz-kde
[01:43] <ajmitch> it's best for you to ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:43] <ajmitch> you'll probably get told to use compiz & cgwd
[01:43] <ash211> i'll do that
[01:43] <imbrandon> cgwd ?
[01:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes
[01:44] <imbrandon> gnome win deco ?
[01:44] <ajmitch> supposedly 'generic'
[01:44] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:44] <ajmitch> meant to replace {gnome,kde}-window-decorator
[01:45] <ash211> does it currently work better
[01:45] <ajmitch> no idea
[01:53] <ash211> here's some info in cgwd: http://compiz.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-window-decorator.html
[02:02] <bddebian> Do Python packages have to be python-foo?
[02:02] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:03] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:03] <ryanakca> whats the current standards version?
[02:03] <LaserJock> 3.7.2 I think
[02:03] <bddebian> 3.7.2 afaik
[02:03] <Fujitsu> 3.7.2, I'm pretty sure.
[02:05] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[02:05] <ryanakca> it's unanimous :)
[02:07] <LaserJock> hmm, well I decided to reinstall OS X on my iMac this afternoon :/
[02:07] <LaserJock> maybe it wasn't the best timing
[02:07] <ryanakca> ???
[02:08] <LaserJock> well, you know how the first time you try an OS you trash it with all kinds of junk?
[02:08] <LaserJock> or is it  only me that does it?
[02:08] <DarkMageZ> everyone does it =D
[02:09] <ryanakca> yep, everyone does
[02:09] <LaserJock> ok, so this is my first reinstall of OS X
[02:10] <ryanakca> I remember, my first install of FC... 3 I think... I had selected full install... 6GB of junk installed...
[02:10] <ryanakca> my science teacher is a big mac fan.. despises windows with a pation :)
[02:10] <LaserJock> with Gentoo I never could get over it :-)
[02:10] <LaserJock> that's why I had to jump ship for Ubuntu
[02:11] <ryanakca> get over ???
[02:11] <LaserJock> I always had > 9 GB of stuff on my Gentoo box
[02:11] <LaserJock> and recompiling it all the time was a pain
[02:11] <ryanakca> heh
[02:11] <ryanakca> "The computer is your slave, not the other way around" is how I look at Gentoo
[02:12] <LaserJock> not for me
[02:12] <LaserJock> I couldn't take it anymore, every time I got KDE done compiling they'd come out with another one to try ;-)
[02:12] <DarkMageZ> i've been building packages recently, it's great fun, cept when things don't work :(
[02:13] <ryanakca> DarkMageZ: yeah... and then afterwards, when you aren't a programmer, and someone reports a bug..
[02:13] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: I had that thing too.... with an 800 Mhz Duron :P (I even went into the trouble of compiling -r1 versions )
[02:13] <ryanakca> you have to figure out whats wrong...
[02:13] <DarkMageZ> oh, i'm never going to distribute my packages for the sake of sanity =D
[02:13] <ryanakca> DarkMageZ: I'm going to send up a couple... but no way I'm sending up 20+ like some people
[02:14] <DarkMageZ> except with a *this package may kill millions of people* sticker :)
[02:14] <ryanakca> lol, yeah
[02:14] <poningru> !packaging guide
[02:14] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:14] <DarkMageZ> now, that could be useful!
[02:14] <ryanakca> I have my own repos... built with .seveas's software... highly unstable... with big flashy text with warnings and all... legal junk
[02:15] <DarkMageZ> i have 3 packages sofar. dosbox 0.65 & xchat 2.6.6 & rhythmbox 0.9.5 ( + cvs + ubuntu changes )
[02:16] <DarkMageZ> cept the xchat package & the rhythmbox package won't install side by side, but hopefully something in the packaging guide will help me fix that
[02:16] <ryanakca> I have 2... typespeed 0.51 (which will never make it into repos), and gnome-clipboard-manager, which I'm waiting for upstream to change the name to clipboard-manager... and I'm working on a finance app
[02:17] <ryanakca> would http://eqonomize.sourceforge.net/   go into "mathematics", or "kde"?
[02:18] <ryanakca> it's a personal finance app
[02:20] <crimsun> kde
[02:41] <DarkMageZ> anyone know how i'd go about building my packages differently to avoid error's like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20234
[02:58] <welshbyte> what's the correct naming scheme for a package that didn't start off in debian? foo_0.4.2ubuntu1 ?
[02:58] <imbrandon> !versioning
[02:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes, for an explanation see http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[02:59] <LaserJock> MOTU School Session in #ubuntu-motu-school is about to start
[02:59] <welshbyte> how convenient :)
[03:00] <poningru> ooh
[03:00] <poningru> wtf
[03:36] <bddebian> So what do I do about --prefix=foo screwing up the path in in the binary?
[03:36] <Lathiat> bddebian: patch :)
[03:36] <Lathiat> whats this for?
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: you use --prefix=/usr
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's not what mutagen does.
[03:38] <bddebian> Lathiat: bkchem
[03:39] <Lathiat> iirc you use --prefix=/usr and make install DESTDIR
[03:39] <Lathiat> or somethign like that?
[03:39] <bddebian> It's a python package using setup.py, there really isn't a install
[03:39] <ajmitch> mutagen's debian/rules doesn't even specify --prefix
[03:40] <bddebian> python ./setup.py install --prefix debian/python-mutagen/usr
[03:40] <bddebian> From mutagen
[03:41] <ajmitch> you appear to have a different mutagen than I do then
[03:41] <bddebian> This is dappers
[03:41] <ajmitch> right
[03:41] <ajmitch> and since we're doing edgy stuff, I looked at the package in edgy
[03:42] <bddebian> Well I don't have an edgy machine handy
[04:27] <bddebian> What is the most appropriate way to install extra files (ie desktop and icon) in a cdbs package?
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian
[04:30] <Gloubiboulga> you can use a .install file, you won't have to change debian/rules this way
[04:31] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[04:32] <bddebian> Will .install work in addition to whatever exists?
[04:32] <Gloubiboulga> I think so
[04:32] <bddebian> OK, I wasn't sure.  Thanks
[04:32] <Gloubiboulga> np :)
[04:36] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Oh, crap but I need to cp images/icon.png to usr/share/pixmaps/bkchem.png and I have never had success with that in .install files.  Just do a cp in rules?
[04:37] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, a cp should work fine :)
[04:37] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not sure that dh_install can rename files
[04:37] <bddebian> Aye
[04:42] <bddebian> Grr fsck
[04:42] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:47] <bddebian> rules doesn't like install -D or cp because there are no targets :'-(
[04:54] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:54] <bddebian> hehe
[04:55] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: how'd it go?  the motu session
[04:56] <welshbyte> IMO it was ++good
[04:56] <TheMuso> And actually learnt something new. :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: nice!
[04:56] <TheMuso> I never kneww zless / z-other cool stuff existed.
[04:56] <TheMuso> like zipgrep
[04:57] <TheMuso> heh
[04:57] <TheMuso> What happened?
[04:57] <welshbyte> yikes
[04:57] <Fujitsu> Heheheh. I remember what I did a few years back...
[04:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: well, i'm going to put a clean copy of edgy on there.  had a bit of trouble copying the semi-backup
[04:57] <Fujitsu> I wanted to remove all the hidden things from some directory.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> seems that i can access everything now, before the reformat, except my email
[04:58] <Fujitsu> So I ran, as root, `rm -rf .*'
[04:58] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[04:58] <Fujitsu> I didn't expect it would go up the tree >_<
[04:58] <Hobbsee> it *doesnt*
[04:58] <Hobbsee> does it?
[04:58] <Fujitsu> It did, I'm pretty sure. But that was 6 years ago.
[04:58] <Fujitsu> I can't remember very well...
[04:58] <Hobbsee> in the devel directory, or whatever
[04:59] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You didn't loose email did you
[04:59] <Hobbsee> oh noooo.......
[04:59] <LaserJock> one time I wanted to remove all those pesky emacs backup files, normally I would run, rm  *~ but I accidently did rm * ~
[04:59] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you bet
[05:00] <TheMuso> ouch!
[05:00] <Hobbsee> what??????????
[05:01] <LaserJock> well I wiped my machine this afternoon
[05:01] <LaserJock> but I meant to do it
[05:01] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: so did i, but not a few crucial folders!
[05:01] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I hope you have .gnupg stored somewhere safe.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: finding it
[05:02] <TheMuso> Right.
[05:02] <TheMuso> Howd this all happen?
[05:02] <poningru> Hobbsee: if its absolutely necessary you know you can recover it right?
[05:02] <poningru> err not sure if you have ext2
[05:03] <Hobbsee> poningru: nope,  but i should be able to recover it from here
[05:03] <Hobbsee> fairly sure it's ext3
[05:03] <LaserJock> welshbyte: I think we all have recently ;-)
[05:04] <welshbyte> they dropped a bomb huh? :)
[05:04] <LaserJock> well, it's just that it isn't exactly straightforward to me what I actually have to do
[05:04] <LaserJock> I can read through the thing
[05:05] <LaserJock> but I'm not always sure what applies, etc.
[05:05] <jsgotangco> can anyone say to linspire just use d-i :D
[05:05] <LaserJock> anyway, I've transitioned a package I maintain in Debian
[05:05] <LaserJock> and it went ok
[05:05] <jsgotangco> or heck even use ubiquity :D
[05:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: got it back :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: as for my email though....
[05:06] <welshbyte> LaserJock: maybe i'm out of my depth with python, as a packaging newbie then... :/
[05:06] <LaserJock> no
[05:07] <LaserJock> it's probably better as a newbie :-)
[05:07] <bddebian> welshbyte: Nah, I'm doing one right now and I'm a clueless moron
[05:07] <welshbyte> bddebian: so i've heard ;)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: because i was an idiot, and tried to do things the short way.
[05:08] <bddebian> welshbyte: Ah, word has finally gotten around eh? :-)
[05:08] <zul_> very fast :)
[05:09] <zul_> hey Hobbsee
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hi zul_
[05:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: well it's hard not to when you spread it yourself ;-)
[05:10] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I know how it feels.
[05:10] <TheMuso> I had a drive die on me in January, and i hadn't backed up important stuff since October.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i got .gnupg back though.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ouch
[05:10] <TheMuso> So I lost stuff as well
[05:11] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: half of my trouble is that i dont remember what i lost
[05:11] <TheMuso> Good you got your keys back.
[05:11] <TheMuso> heh
[05:11] <zul> Hobbsee: at least you know you should have a good backup plan now
[05:11] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, exactly.
[05:11] <TheMuso> Just need to get around to doing it.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> zul: hah.  or just actually check the backup first before using rm -rf a bit
[05:11] <zul> or that too
[05:11] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, i wish.  half of my email is like that.
[05:12] <imbrandon> i did the other day now i'm lovin it
[05:12] <imbrandon> ( moved it all to imap )
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:13] <zul> heh...if google goes down im screwed
[05:14] <TheMuso> I wish gmail had imap.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, me too.   did someone ever find a way around that?
[05:14] <TheMuso> Not that I know of.
[05:15] <TheMuso> I know it is certainly one of the most requested gmail features.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> definetly
[05:15] <Hobbsee> work time.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[05:16] <welshbyte> if they're stubborn about not offering imap someone could set up a service to fetchmail from google accounts and serve the email up from imap.. should be  pretty simple
[05:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: what did you want me to check?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> oh well
[05:16] <TheMuso> Have fun at work.
[05:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i can help you do that later when you get home
[05:16] <imbrandon> later
[05:16] <bddebian> ajmitch: Just see if my upload went up?
[05:16] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Rock on Dreamhost!! :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that'd be cool
[05:16] <ajmitch> bddebian: that means telling me what it is
[05:16] <imbrandon> ouch i made a booboo
[05:17] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, sorry bkchem
[05:17] <imbrandon> TheMuso: exactly ;)
[05:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: 0.11.4-0ubuntu1 ?
[05:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye
[05:17] <ajmitch> it's listed on the revu page
[05:17] <TheMuso> imbrandon: The only thing I don't like about their email, is that they *Make* you move old email from your inbox to another folder.
[05:17] <bddebian> Oh, I see it now, sorry
[05:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: ^
[05:17] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: will, or wont do
[05:17] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'll be thinking about whatever else i've lost
[05:17] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: hehe
[05:18] <TheMuso> hahaha
[05:18] <imbrandon> shiznit, ajmitch you have main privs right ? i need to make a trivial fix to something that i got uploaded earlier
[05:18] <TheMuso> It happens to the best of us
[05:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: doh, did you do bkchem?
[05:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, should I not have?
[05:18] <bddebian> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2871
[05:18] <LaserJock> kinda
[05:18] <LaserJock> azeem and I would like to get it into Debian
[05:19] <LaserJock> and there is a guy that has a Debian package
[05:19] <ajmitch> imbrandon: put the debdiff on malone
[05:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: So take it, fix it and upload it to Debian :-)
[05:19] <bddebian> Oh
[05:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch: kk
[05:19] <LaserJock> but he hasn't gotten it into Debian
[05:19] <ajmitch> again?
[05:19] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I wouldn't mind seeing it in Edgy to start with, I have no idea when it'll hit Debian
[05:20] <LaserJock> but it might get synced in the end
[05:21] <welshbyte> man this python policy is written in legalese, someone should translate it to english.. can we put it in rosetta?
[05:21] <LaserJock> lol
[05:22] <zul> python is still evil
[05:22] <imbrandon> grr wth, why do i keep getting this when i add a line to debian/rules " debian/rules:64: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop. " and no i dident use tab
[05:22] <LaserJock> the first thing to do is to figure out what kind of package you are doing
[05:22] <LaserJock> welshbyte: is this a Python library, or an application written in Python?
[05:23] <welshbyte> LaserJock: application.. in python/glade
[05:23] <zul> imbrandon: im guessing it doesnt like something at lie 64
[05:23] <imbrandon> zul: yea heh thats the line i'm adding , but it /looks/ ok , drivin me nuts
[05:23] <LaserJock> welshbyte: ok, then that's a bit easier
[05:24] <welshbyte> phew
[05:24] <LaserJock> welshbyte: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[05:24] <zul> right im off to bed
[05:25] <LaserJock> welshbyte: and I'd go for the python-central option (although it really doesn't matter a whole lot in the end)
[05:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes again
[05:26] <welshbyte> LaserJock: great, thanks for the tips :)
[05:26] <LaserJock> np, I aim to please ;-)
[05:27] <LaserJock> I'm on a packaging buzz right now
[05:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock, packaging master
[05:27] <LaserJock> no no
[05:28] <ajmitch> master of masters?
[05:28] <ajmitch> thanks for that bddebian
[05:28] <LaserJock> I'm getting a little better, I think, but I certainly don't know a whole lot about packaging
[05:28] <ajmitch> yet you hold sessions teaching others - you obviously know enough
[05:29] <welshbyte> bddebian: why? whats wrong with your old one?
[05:29] <LaserJock> nobody asked the "What is ${shlibs:Depends} and what does it do"?
[05:29] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:29] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[05:30] <ajmitch> but you explained it anyway?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I didn't
[05:30] <ajmitch> why not?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I was running out of time fast
[05:30] <ajmitch> I see
[05:30] <LaserJock> it took 2 hrs as it was
[05:30] <LaserJock> but I at least have an idea of what it is
[05:31] <LaserJock> and could do a lot of hand waving
[05:31] <ajmitch> you should have more than an idea
[05:31] <ajmitch> you should be intimately familiar
[05:31] <LaserJock> of course I *should*
[05:31] <LaserJock> but in practicality I've never had to deal with it
[05:31] <LaserJock> it just works
[05:32] <welshbyte> that bit looks pretty guessable anyway... adds the shared libraries that your package uses as dependencies?
[05:32] <ajmitch> until it doesn't
[05:32] <ajmitch> welshbyte: understanding the magic behind it is another matter
[05:32] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sure
[05:33] <ajmitch> which is sort of what I covered in my talk, all those years ago
[05:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:33] <ajmitch> which everyone has gladly forgotten about :)
[05:33] <LaserJock> the problem is you can't get through everything in a reasonable amount of time
[05:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I haven't forgotten
[05:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I plan on using it in the packaging guide
[05:34] <LaserJock> at least making sure it covers what you did
[05:34] <ajmitch> you'll want to check on anything mentioned then
[05:34] <ajmitch> to check for accuracy
[05:34] <LaserJock> I'll want you (and all the MOTUs) to check the Packaging Guide for accuracy
[05:34] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:35] <ajmitch> of course there are other fun fields to use now
[05:35] <ajmitch> like ${cli: Depends}
[05:35] <LaserJock> it's a full time job just keeping up with all this stuff
[05:35] <ajmitch> but if someone is packaging mono stuff they really have to read the cli policy for debian, which is still officially unofficial :)
[05:36] <LaserJock> yeah, it seems like there are a lot of unofficial policies
[05:36] <ajmitch> and it's your job as MOTU teacher to keep up with them all
[05:37] <LaserJock> yep
[05:37] <LaserJock> :/
[05:37] <ajmitch> the test is tomorrow, I hope you studied
[05:37] <hub> ajmitch: did dh_clideps change?
[05:37] <ajmitch> hub: from what to what?
[05:37] <LaserJock> it would be interesting to do a whole MOTU School session on dh_*
[05:38] <hub> ajmitch: it fails to build here
[05:38] <ajmitch> hub: it's in cli-common-dev now
[05:38] <hub> ajmitch: or has the moved out of cli-common?
[05:38] <hub> ah ok
[05:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: you can't
[05:38] <LaserJock> bah, whatever
[05:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why the hell not?
[05:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: noone can match your wisdom
[05:38] <LaserJock> you could teach that in your sleep
[05:38] <hub> ajmitch: I just need to replace cli-common by cli-common-dev?
[05:39] <ajmitch> hub: yep
[05:39] <hub> thanks
[05:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh, that's funny
[05:39] <hub> adding a watch file makes a lot of work
[05:39] <LaserJock> 's direction
[05:39] <bddebian> Yeah right man :-)
[05:39] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't forget the grovelling
[05:40] <LaserJock>  /o\
[05:40] <LaserJock> \o/
[05:40] <LaserJock>  /o\
[05:40] <LaserJock> that's my cool ASCII art version of grovelling
[05:40] <Lathiat> o<
[05:41] <Lathiat> that doesnt really work so wel
[05:41] <Lathiat> l
[05:42] <LaserJock> wow, and I get to do it all over again in 13 hrs :-)
[05:42] <ajmitch> lucky you
[05:42] <ajmitch> I wasn't quite that crazy
[05:43] <LaserJock> well those Europeans whined so much ;-)
[05:43] <ajmitch> plus I doubt I'll get to do a session again
[05:43] <LaserJock> why not?
[05:43] <ajmitch> I scared people off for most of a year after the last one
[05:43] <ajmitch> plus there's nothing I can teach
[05:44] <LaserJock> What is ${shlibs:Depends} and what does it do?
[05:44] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:44] <ajmitch> already covered it
[05:44] <LaserJock> "mono for the rest of us"?
[05:44] <ajmitch> I don't think I'm brave enough to talk about library packaging
[05:45] <LaserJock> "How to review, and mean it"?
[05:45] <ajmitch> slomo would be better for that
[05:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I need to get slomo to do one
[05:45] <LaserJock> "How to be a slacker, and win"?
[05:45] <ajmitch> hah
[05:45] <ajmitch> that's more my style
[05:45] <ajmitch> except I don't win ;)
[05:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: got your debdiff on malone yet?
[05:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/55969  <-- can you sponsor that please, very trivial upload
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55969 in ktorrent "ktorrent 2.0 wont install / upgrade in edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[05:46] <ajmitch> heh
[05:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:46] <ajmitch> timing..
[05:47] <ajmitch> spell things right in the changelog, please :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> gah one sec
[05:47] <ajmitch> 'after upstream installer bit'
[05:47] <ajmitch> very technical language, that
[05:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: "spelling for packagers"?
[05:48] <bddebian> hehe
[05:48] <ajmitch> "how to be pedantic & annoy people"
[05:48] <imbrandon> heh one sec
[05:48] <LaserJock> pedantic? how elite of you ;-)
[05:48] <ajmitch> imbrandon: also mention the bug you're closing if there is one
[05:48] <imbrandon> k
[05:48] <hub> ajmitch: what does that mean: dh_clideps: Warning! No Build-Depends(-Indep) on cli-common-dev (>= 0.4.0)! ?
[05:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm a DD, what do you expect?
[05:49] <ajmitch> we have pedantry down to a fine art
[05:49] <ajmitch> hub: is it really missing the build-depends?
[05:49] <hub> no
[05:49] <ajmitch> version & all?
[05:49] <hub> yep
[05:50] <ajmitch> pastebin control
[05:50] <hub>  cli-common-dev (>= 0.4.0) is in the control file
[05:51] <hub> ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/126036
[05:52] <hub> in the rules I have
[05:52] <hub> binary-fixup/autopano-sift::
[05:52] <hub> 	dh_clideps
[05:52] <hub> :-/
[05:52] <hub> I wonder if that should still be there
[05:53] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get home
[05:53] <LaserJock> good night guys
[05:53] <hub> I have to go to bed
[05:53] <poningru> night
[05:53] <bddebian> Gnight LaserJock
[05:53] <ajmitch> hub: ok
[05:54] <ajmitch> hub: looking at dh_clideps, it really shouldn't complain about that
[05:54] <ajmitch> since it does a simple regex match on debian/control
[05:54] <hub> ajmitch: I'll see tomorrow
[05:54] <hub> ajmitch: thanks for the tips
[05:54] <imbrandon> ajmitch: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3874755/ktorrent.debdiff
[05:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hm, I guess it looks ok
[05:56] <imbrandon> ;) thanks
[05:56] <ajmitch> will take awhile to test build
[05:56] <ajmitch> I don't have most of the kde stuff cached for pbuilder
[05:57] <imbrandon> kk , i'm goin afk for a few , back in about ~20 min
[05:57] <ajmitch> alright
[06:07] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:32] <nixternal> whoopy ;)
[06:32] <nixternal> this gpg secret key think is really making me mad
[06:36] <welshbyte> is there a difference between Architecture: any and Architecture: all
[06:36] <ajmitch> yes, quite a lot of difference
[06:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch: everything go smooth ?
[06:36] <imbrandon> welshbyte: yea
[06:36] <ajmitch> arch: all means that there are no architecture-dependant files
[06:36] <ajmitch> arch: any means it will be rebuilt for each architecture
[06:36] <welshbyte> ahh
[06:36] <welshbyte> thanks
[06:37] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it was uploaded
[06:37] <imbrandon> cool thanks, i'll close the bug
[06:39] <imbrandon> ahh new fspot ;)
[06:39] <ajmitch> yes
[06:39] <ajmitch> and new tomboy
[06:40] <imbrandon> does (Malone: #NNN) close a bug like debian bts ?
[06:40] <imbrandon> automagicly i mean
[06:40] <ajmitch> nope
[06:40] <imbrandon> heh that would be nice
[06:40] <ajmitch> but it's good to document it in the changelog
[06:40] <imbrandon> yea true, and maybe someday the LP guys will put it in
[06:41] <imbrandon> what was that LP link to check the build status of it again /+builds ?
[06:42] <ajmitch> yes
[06:42] <ajmitch> it'll take awhile to get through the system
[06:42] <ajmitch> buildds are probably still catching up on the mass give-back
[06:43] <imbrandon> give-back ?
[06:43] <ajmitch> retry of failed builds
[06:43] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:44] <imbrandon> hrm off to look at Sime's patches
[06:59] <imbrandon> gah , ok whats the useage for dpkg --compare-versions
[06:59] <imbrandon> or is that even the right sommnd
[06:59] <imbrandon> i should write this stuff down lol
[07:04] <nixternal> wo0t i fixed it
[07:04] <nixternal> ;)
[07:04] <imbrandon> fixed what ?
[07:04] <nixternal> deluid everything, then add it back  ;)
[07:04] <nixternal> that supid gpg error
[07:04] <imbrandon> lol
[07:04] <nixternal> stupid too
[07:04] <nixternal> and i love how pinentry remembers my pw
[07:05] <nixternal> for a minute at least ;)
[07:06] <imbrandon> gmail + homebrew imap + kmail ;)
[07:07] <imbrandon> s/kmail/mutt
[07:11] <nixternal> you know what..i miss using pine, and then mutt...talk about smooth..only reason i use kmail now is because of Kontact..it does all my PIM stuff in one spot
[07:34] <imbrandon> gnight all
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:58] <Gloubiboulga> hi Hobbsee
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[11:45] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me who handles package for classpath?
[11:45] <thom> onkarshinde: if you have classpath installed, less /usr/share/doc/classpath/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:46] <onkarshinde> thom: Ok. I just wanted to know if there is any chance of latest version getting into edgy. It has full 2D graphics support using cairo.
[12:06] <micahcowan> I'm preparing patches for a package that already has patches through 99 (to 99a, actually). What's appropriate for this? I'm tempted to rename the patch-files to redistribute them better...
[12:07] <thom> micahcowan: you have a package with _99_ patches?
[12:07] <micahcowan> no... :-( someone went from 63 to 98 (nice, huh?). the package is coreutils, btw.
[12:09] <micahcowan> it uses dbs... so I imagine make_patch would tack on a 99b or somesuch... but it seems wrong to just leave it like that...
[12:10] <thom> micahcowan: renumbering is just going to make remerging from debian painful
[12:11] <micahcowan> ah.... yes.
[12:11] <thom> micahcowan: i'd talk to mike stone (i think it's still him) and see why he did it
[12:11] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, you are on a Live CD?
[12:11] <micahcowan> (she is: said so on #ubuntu-bugs)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes
[12:12] <Fujitsu> Ow.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> not really.  it's quite nice :)
[12:15] <tseng> morn thom, Hobbsee
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hi tseng
[12:16] <thom> hey dude
[12:16] <Hobbsee> tseng: i've mostly recovered :)
[12:16] <tseng> Hobbsee: from?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> can i get someone to ack https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/56001 ?
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56001 in gnomebaker "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync gnomebaker" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[12:16] <Hobbsee> tseng: this morning, with the loss of cruical folders :P
[12:16] <tseng> Hobbsee: ah, suck
[12:16] <Hobbsee> tseng: only look to have lost about 2 months of email, not sur ewhat else
[12:18] <micahcowan> is it my imagination, or did the coreutils manpages at one time actually direct to "info coreutils <tool>" (as they ought) instead of the currently broken "info <tool>"?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Hmm... It's not normal to subscribe revu-people to sync requests, is it?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: revu people?   which group were you subscribing?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, gnomefreak's bug has ubuntu-universe-contributors assigned to it.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> *subscribed
[12:25] <slomo> ubuntu-universe-contributors are all the people that can upload to revu
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah yes, that's a new group
[12:25] <Hobbsee> oops...did i not mean that...
[12:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: find the link off my LP page.  it's the one about universe that i show as admin of, not of kubuntu council
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: she told me to ill change it if i get the group
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, my bad
[12:26] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[12:26] <slomo> Fujitsu: yes
[12:26] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-universe-uploaders is really a little mis-named...
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ah, thta's it
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I was a little surprised when I found that bug in my subscribed list :)
[12:26] <slomo> bbl
[12:27] <Hobbsee> rebooting
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-universe-sponsors this one
[12:27] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, yep.
[12:27] <gnomefreak> k
[12:28] <gnomefreak> how do i unsubscribe the other team?
[12:28] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, I just did.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> k ty
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I don't know why I was allowed to, though.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I shouldn't have been.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> I don't think...
[12:31] <TheMuso> hmmm ok.
[12:31] <TheMuso> I guess that bug report was from what has just been discussed.
[12:31] <TheMuso> That I received in my inbox.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, yep.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> that would be it sorry if its wrong its my first try at merge
[12:33] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Thats fine.
[12:33] <TheMuso> Has somebody explained a non-MOTU sync request to you?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> nope hobbsee got me as far as i am
[12:34] <Fujitsu> That's about it, gnomefreak. Just ask a MOTU to confirm it.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> yeah that she told me
[12:35] <TheMuso> Right, well from what I was told, you file a bug against the package, requesting a sync. You ping a MOTU to look at it, they confirm it, and they also subscribe ubuntu archive admins.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> yes that is what she told me to do
[12:35] <TheMuso> But you don't subscribe archive admins, as far as I understand it.
[12:35] <gnomefreak> oh motu subscribes them
[12:35] <TheMuso> The MOTU has to do that afaik
[12:35] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:36] <TheMuso> I've done a couple of syncs this way, so I am guessing thats how its done.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i mis read what she said sorry
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Evening again, Hobbsee.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu
[12:43] <Hobbsee> nice installer, that
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hey cool, it's even picked the right kernel!
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Why'd you reinstall?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because i could.  i'd gotten lots of random rubbish installed on here
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Heh, quite a good reason.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> im gonna run into conflicts on most of the merges correct?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, pretty much.
[12:53] <Fujitsu> I've found a few where I haven't.
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Speaking of which, I have some merges.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> and the sync fixes that? so i can just retry it after the sync and it works?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sometimes.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> The sync eliminates Ubuntu changes.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> k
[12:59] <StevenK> Some of the merges I've done have had to do that.
[01:00] <TheMuso> Nobody has started work on soundconverter have they?
[01:04] <StevenK> TheMuso: We just didn't want to disappoint you.
[01:04] <TheMuso> heh
[01:04] <TheMuso> I'm sure I would have found something else.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: check for a sync for that.  if not, then no
[01:05] <TheMuso> Something must be driving me to understand how to package python stuff inside out, because I manage to pick packages that have python.
[01:05] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Well there are no bugs filed re sync requests, so I'm guessing not.
[01:05] <TheMuso> Syncs are the first thing I check for.
[01:05] <TheMuso> But as it is, I don't think this package will need a sync.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: checked edgy changes?
[01:06] <TheMuso> Whats the easiest way to check that?
[01:06] <StevenK> soundconverter isn't on edgy-changes.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/date.html
[01:06] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ah
[01:06] <TheMuso> There's an RSS feed for that isn't there?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> 30 uploads in 11 days.  not bad.
[01:06] <TheMuso> Isn't it a busy list?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> iirc yes
[01:07] <StevenK> TheMuso: Depends if Hobbsee is merging a lot.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hah
[01:07] <TheMuso> lol
[01:07] <Hobbsee> +syncs.
[01:14] <TheMuso> Anybody got an idea of what one does with a package who's only python file resides in /usr/bin?
[01:14] <TheMuso> In regards to the policy/
[01:15] <StevenK> TheMuso: As in, it's a #!/usr/bin/python script?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> oh universe syncs i should just subscribe Hobbsee's team?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, or get a MOTU in here to ack it
[01:15] <TheMuso> StevenK: The package only has one python script, which gets placed in /usr/bin
[01:15] <gnomefreak> can anyone ack this? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eric/+bug/56015
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56015 in eric "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync Eric" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:16] <StevenK> TheMuso: Just depend on python-all
[01:16] <StevenK> I doubt you need python-{support,central} at all.
[01:17] <TheMuso> Thats what I'm thinking.
[01:17] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[01:20] <gnomefreak> is it normal to get out of office replys from bug reports lol
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Not normal, but not unheard-of.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Some people have some silly systems set up.
[01:21] <gnomefreak> im assuming that is either creeator or mantianer of gnomebaker i got that reply from
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Or a member of one of the subscribed teams?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:31] <derjohn> Q: is there some package of a 2.6.17 kernel for _dapper_ out? (backport or so ...) My HP nx6325 machine needs that kernel to run properly if you follow (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_HP_Compaq_nx6125_with_Turion64).
[01:32] <gnomefreak> derjohn: no
[01:32] <gnomefreak> derjohn: you would have to build it for dapper from kernel.org i think
[01:32] <TheMuso> And get a newer udev.
[01:32] <TheMuso> afaik
[01:32] <TheMuso> I think 2.6.16 onwards has a newer udev than what is in dapper.
[01:33] <gnomefreak> yeah not sure if libc6 will be needed or not
[01:33] <derjohn> gnomefreak, I had silent hope that there is already inofficial effort do package it ... also the ATI binary driver would have to be rebuild etc.
[01:33] <zul> or you could run edgy
[01:33] <derjohn> i assume I cannot patch-up the ubuntu 2.6.15 with "delta" diffs from kernel.org?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> derjohn: its rare if ever that a kernel for one version will be in an earlier version too much crap/breakage to do it
[01:34] <derjohn> zul, I run it on oneof my servers. please not on desktop, where #packages is times 4 ...
[01:35] <derjohn> zul, currently I cannot reconfigure the locales on edgy ...
[01:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You know there is still a couple of merges there with your name on them?
[01:36] <derjohn> i'll try the noapic stuff etc. before I consider efting the machine.
[01:36] <StevenK> Hell, there's a still a few there with my name on them.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah.  one's being left to lure, and the other one i uploaded yesterday
[01:36] <lucas> I was wondering: are you MOTUs running edgy or dapper ?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> lucas: edgy, almost all the time
[01:37] <TheMuso> Edgy
[01:37] <TheMuso> How often does that page get updated?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it's usually every hour, i think it's less now
[01:37] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:37] <ajmitch> lucas: edgy on all machines
[01:38] <StevenK> lucas: Dapper, with Edgy in 2 chroots.
[01:38] <lucas> ok, thanks
[01:38] <TheMuso> 2 chroots?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> lucas: yeah.  chroots.  dont forget them.  most MOTU's and devs probably ran chroots/pbuilder as soon as edgy was out
[01:39] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: sure, one for edgy, the other for dapper
[01:39] <ajmitch> TheMuso: sure, I have them for i386 & amd64
[01:39] <lucas> yes, of course, but I was talking about main system
[01:39] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> lucas: dual, or tripple boot.  works fine.
[01:39] <StevenK> TheMuso: amd64 and i386
[01:39] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:40] <StevenK> TheMuso: I have six, as a matter of fact - Dapper, Edgy and Sid, each for i386 and amd64
[01:40] <gnomefreak> i have a main testing pc but main work pc is on dapper atm
[01:40] <ajmitch> StevenK: for some reason I haven't cleaned up my old hoary & breezy & sarge chroots yet
[01:41] <gnomefreak> i guess if i want to package i will have to learn chrrot
[01:42] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: or use pbuilder.
[01:43] <gnomefreak> pbuilder sounds easier
[01:43] <Hobbsee> StevenK: get to it :P
[01:43] <Hobbsee> it is.  much
[01:43] <StevenK> Its complaining about invalid devices for hardlinks.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> you dotn run into the problem of unclean chroots either
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:43] <TheMuso> Pbuilder alone may not always help. I still build packages normally, if I want to see where files are being placed, and trace a debian/rules calls to various commands.
[01:44] <TheMuso> StevenK: I knew about that, but sometimes that is a little quicker.
[01:44] <TheMuso> Pbuilder does take a while to get everything into place, especially if the package has a lot of depenancies.
[01:44] <StevenK> pbuilder doesn't help if you want to run a full machine.
[01:45] <StevenK> Or test KDE stuff, for that matter.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: did you want to check TheMuso's merge, seeing as you were discussing the python stuff earlier?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> may as well give someone else a go at the edgy changes list.
[01:46] <gnomefreak> i figure id like to get a few merges under my belt before i try packaging
[01:46] <StevenK> Damn, I thought TheMuso was a MOTU.
[01:46] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: you've probably only got a few hours before Hobbsee finishes them all
[01:46] <TheMuso> Someone has a great memory.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.
[01:46] <StevenK> Muahaha
[01:46] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:46] <ryanakca> do we need the kde pot patch for new apps (like this was written in 2006), or is it just for older ones?
[01:46] <StevenK> TheMuso: Throw it at me, Rails is irritating me.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes, we need them for all packages.
[01:46] <TheMuso> StevenK: Are you on the universe sponsors team?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/soundconverter/+bug/56018
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56018 in soundconverter "Request for upload of this merged package." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:47] <gnomefreak> i dont want to throw too many sync request out at one time
[01:47] <StevenK> TheMuso: Yup.
[01:47] <StevenK> Hobbsee made me do it.
[01:47] <TheMuso> Did you receive an email about it?
[01:47] <StevenK> Or something.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you wont.  if you could use pitti's script to request the syncs, that'd be cool
[01:47] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i did, yeah
[01:47] <TheMuso> So StevenK should have as well.
[01:47] <StevenK> TheMuso: Like I check my e-mail.
[01:47] <gnomefreak> theres  ascript to request syncs?
[01:47] <TheMuso> hahahaha
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, cos i havent changed that so it seems to go to all places
[01:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, pitti wrote one recently
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, wasn't that for merges?
[01:47] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Yes, but its not very useful atm
[01:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:48] <TheMuso> SOrry, the sponsored upload script is not useful
[01:48] <StevenK> Sure it is, requestsync works great.
[01:48] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk, and where does the patch go? (hasn't really patched before)... debian/patches ?
[01:48] <TheMuso> But the sync script can't be used by non-MOTUs afaik
[01:48] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html
[01:48] <gnomefreak> ty  looking
[01:48] <StevenK> TheMuso: No mail from you.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it's listed in the packaging guide, along with the stuff to add to debian/rules
[01:48] <TheMuso> StevenK: hmmm
[01:48] <TheMuso> Hobbsee got one
[01:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, but i'm the owner of the team
[01:49] <StevenK> What domain would it have come from?
[01:49] <TheMuso> Ah
[01:49] <TheMuso> themuso@themuso.com
[01:50] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: your merge requests are good, cos they have the debdiffs between each version
[01:50] <StevenK> enervated:~# grep themuso /var/log/exim4/mainlog | grep -v slug
[01:50] <StevenK> enervated:~#
[01:50] <Hobbsee> StevenK: https://launchpad.net/bugs/56018
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56018 in soundconverter "Request for upload of this merged package." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[01:50] <Hobbsee> StevenK: true
[01:51] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You told me that 4 minutes ago. :-P
[01:51] <TheMuso> heh
[01:51] <StevenK> I was checking my mail server.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: bleh.
[01:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: probably because TheMuso has been asked for other debdiffs every time :)
[01:51] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I started including debdiffs between debian as well, after MOTUs were also asking me for debdiffs for that. So I thought well its not much extra work to include Debian debdiffs as well.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, but if you'd looked at my message, you wouldnt have needed to look thru your mail
[01:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: that's true.  i think i'll start asking people to do that.
[01:52] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Which message, sorry?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> StevenK: the bug report one
[01:53] <StevenK> TheMuso: The debdiff looks sane.
[01:53] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: did you lose much data?
[01:53] <phanatic> afternoon everyone
[01:53] <ajmitch> hi phanatic
[01:53] <TheMuso> StevenK: Cool. You should see debian/rules. IMO just a little shocking.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: about 2 months of email, irssi configs, some of .bashrc, it looks like
[01:53] <phanatic> hi ajmitch
[01:54] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not too much then, though the email loss is annoying
[01:54] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:55] <Hobbsee> fortunately, looks like most is still on malone
[01:55] <phanatic> Hobbsee: hard drive problems?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> phanatic: no, a little careless with the rm -rf
[01:57] <phanatic> Hobbsee: i remember you saying a while ago that you are usually too careless with rm -rf :) but i can feel with you: just ran a fsck and found a bunch of badblocks on my hdd :(
[01:57] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: SO how many wifi cards do you have now?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: 2.
[01:57] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> phanatic: yeah....well...theoretically the approach would have worked.  only problem was that i missed a few folders to tar.
[01:58] <ajmitch> a bit of a problem
[01:58] <StevenK> TheMuso: Looks fine, builds fine.
[01:59] <TheMuso> StevenK: cool
[01:59] <StevenK> TheMuso: Successfully uploaded packages.
[01:59] <TheMuso> StevenK: Thanks.
[02:00] <StevenK> My key is your key.
[02:00] <StevenK> Well, you wish, anyway.
[02:00] <TheMuso> hehe
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Any MOTUs wanting to check+upload some merges for me?
[02:01] <TheMuso> Anybody seen Jeremie Corbier around? Just wanted to know if he doesn't mind people taking a merge or two from him. :p
[02:02] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Do you log upload sponsor requests in malone against the package?
[02:02] <Fujitsu> You can, I think, but it's not necessary.
[02:02] <ajmitch> TheMuso: Toadstool
[02:02] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ah ok thanks.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that'd be nice.
[02:03] <StevenK> TheMuso: I have an autorealname script for irssi
[02:04] <TheMuso> StevenK: Doesn't always help if people's real names are in their whois info.
[02:04] <TheMuso> Whered you get it?
[02:05] <StevenK> Um.
[02:05] <TheMuso> s/are/aren't
[02:05] <gnomefreak> most of them have thier nicks in thier emails
[02:05] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Not always.
[02:05] <gnomefreak> true
[02:05] <TheMuso> Jeremie's ubuntu email is not his IRC nick.
[02:05] <StevenK> TheMuso: Oh geez, somewhere off the irssi.org site
[02:05] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[02:05] <TheMuso> So how does it work exactly/
[02:06] <StevenK> When it sees a join event, it queries for a realname and displays it.
[02:06] <StevenK> [22:06]  -!- Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee]  has joined #ubuntu-motu
[02:06] <StevenK> [22:06]  -!- Hobbsee_ is Hobbsee
[02:06] <StevenK> Like so.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> thats what i was thinking
[02:07] <TheMuso> StevenK: Right. Only useful if you see them joining however.
[02:07] <Hobbsee_> Fujitsu: for good reason.
[02:07] <StevenK> TheMuso: Yup.
[02:07] <gnomefreak> looks like it shows the main nick for the linked one
[02:07] <Fujitsu> Why, Hobbsee_?
[02:07] <Hobbsee_> Fujitsu: think about it.  i'm a woman among a group of men.
[02:07] <Fujitsu> True...
[02:07] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[02:07] <Fujitsu> Please overcome the stereotype :)
[02:08] <TheMuso> Hobbsee_: Don't let that bother you.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hmmm?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hmmm?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> wh would you be worried about being the only or one of the only women in a group of men?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> s/wh/why
[02:14] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Have you started working on drivel at all yet?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> not worried.  just knowing that i have to put up with a lot mroe
[02:14] <tseng> yeah, gnomefreak doesnt have his ircname set either
[02:14] <tseng> maybe he is secretly a girl too
[02:15] <tseng> and you are reinforcing that
[02:15] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:15] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I've done it as of about 30 minutes ago, I just need somebody to upload it :)
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Same with apt-watch.
[02:15] <TheMuso> Ok.
[02:15] <Fujitsu> And xboard, and xchm, and something else I've forgotten.
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, lcd4linux.
[02:15] <ajmitch> we haven't seen much of "OMG a girl?!?" in here, actually
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Which is good, ajmitch.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, not for a few months.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> tseng: i do it cause i had a few script kiddies give me issues after banning them
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: havent you forgotten the stuff a few months ago?
[02:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes
[02:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I forget things from a few hours ago
 omg, a girl in here!?!!?!1111?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hah.  think of kyral
[02:16] <gnomefreak> hes a loud mouth :(
[02:16] <ajmitch> yes, he's a special case though
[02:17] <Fujitsu> I don't see how people can say such things...
[02:17] <TheMuso> Last I heard, Kyro was getting into Ark Linux.
[02:17] <tseng> if I had seen it I would have banned him.
[02:17] <ajmitch> TheMuso: of course, and he still visits us here
[02:17] <Hobbsee> tseng: i'm not tempted to ban him.  i'm *very* tempted to ban another guy thouhg.
[02:17] <tseng> he was in here recently to cry about how we don't care about the forums
[02:17] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, ouch.
[02:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: does it start with a b?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> tseng: indeed.
[02:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: i have you covered
[02:17] <tseng> Hobbsee: *hugs*
[02:18] <Hobbsee> tseng: think of "pyscopathic bitch" if it helps :P
[02:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:18] <tseng> Fujitsu: he's not here
[02:18] <gnomefreak> ive banned him a few times *warning* if you ban him expect an argument or whining
[02:18] <ajmitch> it wasn't hard to guess
[02:18] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :)
[02:18] <tseng> gnomefreak: I have been banning this person for 4 years
[02:19] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: like that doesnt happen for anyone else
[02:19] <tseng> gnomefreak: back to hardened gentoo days
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[02:19] <ajmitch> tseng: seems like a slow learner
[02:19] <gnomefreak> hes been around that long?
[02:19] <tseng> ajmitch: he's mellowed, believe it or not
[02:19] <gnomefreak> i would have asked for perm ban by now
[02:19] <Hobbsee> not -bugs though.
[02:19] <ajmitch> tseng: that's worrying
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Is he around at all at the moment>
[02:20] <Fujitsu> *?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no
[02:21] <Fujitsu> I mean, not just in this channel.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> user on channels: #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <gnomefreak> ok i dont ever see him in those channels :(
[02:22] <tseng> you cant ban him retroactively
[02:22] <tseng> unfortunately.
[02:23] <zul> who is this?
[02:23] <tseng> you know.
[02:23] <zul> oh..
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:26] <Hobbsee> [22:21]  [Whois]  bluefoxicy is a user on channels: #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:26] <Hobbsee> is the full line
[02:26] <Fujitsu> I checked that!
[02:27] <azeem> hrm, it's not BenC.
[02:27] <thom> azeem: heh
[02:27] <TheMuso> WHat is Steven J Harms's irc Nick?
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[02:27] <gnomefreak> sharms
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> He's +i, so I see:
[02:27] <Fujitsu>  [bluefoxicy]  #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-offtopic #launchpad
[02:27] <gnomefreak> :(
[02:27] <TheMuso> He been around lately?
[02:27] <tseng> sigh.
[02:27] <azeem> is #ubuntu +s now?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> i havent seen him really since the crap in -ops with him
[02:28] <Fujitsu> He was one of my first guesses... But I discounted him... Silly +i.
[02:28] <azeem> or +i then
[02:28] <Fujitsu> No.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> neither
[02:28] <Fujitsu> People have +i, not channels.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> +i a channel is invite only
[02:28] <azeem> so why doesn't #ubuntu show up in his /whois?
[02:28] <Fujitsu> Because I'm not in #ubuntu.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> azeem: it does?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:29] <azeem> Hobbsee: if you're not in #ubuntu, I mean
[02:29] <tseng> on a real ircd, you can see peopls channels
[02:29] <azeem> I thought that only happens for +s chans
[02:29] <tseng> unless they are +s
[02:29] <Hobbsee> azeem: ah.
[02:29] <tseng> freenode likes to be increasingly distanced from everyone else
[02:29] <Fujitsu> +i means you can only see the person's channels if you're in those channels.
[02:29] <thom> freenode has a "special" ircd
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Yep, dancer-ircd.
[02:29] <azeem> Fujitsu: ok
[02:30] <Fujitsu> I was playing with it last night.
[02:30] <tseng> they always used dancer
[02:30] <Fujitsu> It's a silly thing.
[02:30] <gnomefreak> hes got that hiding turned on
[02:30] <tseng> but it was more recntly that they started breaking with everyone else
[02:30] <gnomefreak> if you are not in the channel with him you cant see them
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Yep, mode +i.
[02:30] <azeem> well, not a big issue anyway, I just checked his /whois, and saw #launchpad intead of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic and thought you people be talking about somebody else
[02:30] <thom> yeah, by all accounts there're some *really* horrific patches in feenode's dancer
[02:30] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:31] <Fujitsu> azeem, exactly.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> azeem: ahhh...
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Same as me.
[02:32] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: mind pointing me in the direction of that packaging guide you were talking about? the "Packaging for Kubuntu" on just says how to use po, and where to get the patch, and the debian new maintainers guide talks about .dpatch, not .diff
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i was referring to the kubuntu section of the ubuntu packaging guide
[02:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-kubuntu.html   ?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yep
[02:35] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it says to add 2 lines to debian/rules, but not what I should do with the .diff (I've never patched before)...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: the .diff goes into debian/patches
[02:36] <ryanakca> kk, that's it?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> and the 2 lines go into debian/rules, so that the pot files are actually created
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah, if it's cdbs, it should be.  are there already files in debian/patches?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> can you pastebin debian/rules?
[02:37] <ryanakca> nothing in debian/patches, no such directory, I'll create it, and theres allready a po/eqonomize.pot
[02:39] <ryanakca> It's a package of a new app... rules: http://pastebin.ca/126391
[02:39] <ryanakca> the po/eqonomize.pot is from upstream, btw...
[02:41] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[02:41] <ryanakca> hey Toadstool
[02:41] <Toadstool> hi ryanakca
[02:42] <Hobbsee> icky debhelper
[02:42] <Hobbsee> someone tell ryanakca about how to add patches with debhelper
[02:42] <Hobbsee> or send him to the -motu school logs on patching
[02:43] <Fujitsu> :P
[02:43] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:43] <Toadstool> ryanakca: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources?
[02:43] <Fujitsu> :O
[02:43] <StevenK> Aiiiieeeeeee
[02:43] <StevenK> You said the *evil* word.
[02:43] <Toadstool> er, YADA...
[02:44] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i did.  speaking of which, have you considered the fact that a package that usually builds with yada could instead be built with checkinstall?  and then maybe downloaded with a wifi card that needs ndiswrapper to run?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> oh the evil...the EVIL!!!
[02:44] <ryanakca> ewww cdbs
[02:44] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, you have scarred me for life.
 mhp: I do great evil!
 moshez: you code perl?!
 no, GREAT evil
[02:45] <Toadstool> :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[02:45] <Hobbsee> StevenK: and then posts the link on my myspace :P
[02:45] <thom> azeem: ah, moshez. those were the days
[02:45] <zul> according to my evil test im pure evil
[02:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: NOT HELPING
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ROFL!
[02:45] <azeem> thom: yeah
[02:45] <tseng> haha myspace
[02:46] <StevenK> zul: If you have to declare it, you aren't.
[02:46] <zul> StevenK: but its generally known
[02:46] <azeem> http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2006-08-06.gif
[02:47] <StevenK> Bwahahaha
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there a basic debian/rules file i could look at for reference?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> tseng: this is the great thing about myspace.  everyone flocks to look, then immediately wishes they didnt.
[02:47] <StevenK> Kamping_Kaiser: The 'hello' package
[02:47] <Hobbsee> tseng: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> StevenK, ok, i'll grab it, thanks
[02:48] <StevenK> Must ... resist ... temptation.
[02:48] <tseng> haha!
[02:48] <Hobbsee> tseng: *that* is why StevenK is being horrified.
[02:48] <tseng> Hobbsee++
[02:48] <StevenK> My fragging retinas are *still* hurting.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> :D
[02:48] <Hobbsee> so are your wife's, probably
[02:48] <StevenK> Probably.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> tseng: actually, you get used to it after a while.
[02:49] <tseng> im not sure i do
[02:49] <tseng> but i liked the pony bit
[02:49] <tseng> jdub added that the the fridge for me
[02:49] <tseng> before it went live
[02:49] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, you're lucky in this case :P
[02:49] <tseng> its still there afaik
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, nice
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> (site)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, very :P
[02:49] <tseng> haha it says you are a Swinger
[02:49] <Toadstool> er, """nice""" :)
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, :P:)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> tseng: it says all sorts of rubbish.
[02:50] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I do actually have some sight.
[02:50] <tseng> Hobbsee: mine says nearly nothing
[02:50] <TheMuso> Whats the URL?
[02:50] <thom> you won't after you look at that site
[02:50] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, are you sure you will after you look at this?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak
[02:50] <Fujitsu> thom, exactly.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, that is truely an abomination.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i just managed to read some text - hillarious
[02:51] <StevenK> TheMuso: Looking at it in elinks is cheating
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: *exactly*
[02:51] <TheMuso> StevenK: I'm not.
[02:51] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: YOu should treasure that. Its a work of art. :)
[02:51] <TheMuso> A disco in your web browser.
[02:51] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes, modern art certainly encompasses a lot these days
[02:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: a guy in a kubuntu meeting sent me that background.  it would have been about 7.30am at the time.
[02:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: impressive
[02:53] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:53] <zul> im going to have a seizure if keep looking at that page
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> heheeh
[02:53] <StevenK> Stop talking about the page!
[02:53] <StevenK> My retinas are starting to bleed again.
[02:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: just proof that Hobbsee is evil
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hahahha
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: new gnome desktop, maybe.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> you'd get a lot of people starting to use kde...
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahahaa
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> exept the 15y/o girls who make sites like that ;P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:54] <TheMuso> The sort of music that would practically hypnotise anybody looking at the page and listening. :p
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: haha.  make sure you sneak in quietly, you know what my parents are like with kerfew.
[02:55] <Fujitsu> *curfew
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, the letters move
[02:55] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ooh...that'd be fun
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh yeah, thanks
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: that they do :P
[02:55] <StevenK> TheMuso: NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
[02:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I don't think I could get there until tomorrow evening at the earliest
[02:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: Hobbsee will ask for the music and put it on the page.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahh right...
[02:56] <TheMuso> StevenK: Thats the idea.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i'd have to use that awful interface to do it.
[02:56] <StevenK> Would the evil be worth it?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> StevenK: debatable.
[02:56] <tseng> "Error: You must be someone's friend to make comments about them."
[02:56] <tseng> oh
[02:56] <tseng> too bad
[02:56] <TheMuso> Just a little more suttle however.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> tseng: gah.  didnt that get taken out?
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i cant put an S in place, i keep loosing it in the grey :(
[02:57] <tseng> Hobbsee: apperantly not
[02:57] <tseng> I only get on here to look at friends show times
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[02:57] <tseng> for local bands
[02:57] <tseng> and hear their songs
[02:57] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: actually if I get to christchurch by 4AM, I could be in sydney by 7:30AM AEST
[02:57] <ajmitch> that suitable? :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[02:58] <StevenK> ajmitch: I can do it by proxy.
[02:58] <ajmitch> StevenK: that sounds good
[02:58] <TheMuso> heh
[02:58] <tseng> ajmitch: your planes arent delayed?
[02:58] <tseng> ajmitch: (http://craphound.com/images/liquids-on-a-plane.jpg)
[02:58] <ajmitch> tseng: not that I've heard
[02:58] <ajmitch> it's not like anyone cares about transtasman flights
[02:59] <StevenK> Hahaha
[02:59] <tseng> no, but australia does whatever the us does
[02:59] <ajmitch> hm
[02:59] <tseng> StevenK: your a kiwi?
[02:59] <StevenK> I am not.
[02:59] <ajmitch> seems that we're allowed carry-on bags, but no liquids
[02:59] <ajmitch> what a shame
[02:59] <tseng> oh damn
[02:59] <tseng> you're an aussie
[02:59] <Hobbsee> tseng: seems to be set to anyone can comment
[02:59] <Fujitsu> I am an Aussie!
[02:59] <tseng> Hobbsee: not me, ma'am
[03:00] <zul> tseng: well we all know that nz is australia junior
[03:00] <Hobbsee> tseng: odd
[03:00] <ajmitch> zul: just like canadia is just another american state?
[03:00] <zul> ajmitch: exactly
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Ey, I'm Canadian as well!
[03:00] <thom> ajmitch: australia too
[03:00] <tseng> Hobbsee: ive given up
[03:01] <ajmitch> thom: true
[03:01] <Hobbsee> tseng: seems that you have to be logged in, i'm not sure
[03:01] <tseng> I was logged in
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i like moving letters
[03:01] <TheMuso> So what have people got planned for their weekends? :p
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: haha
[03:02] <TheMuso> Jumping on planes it seems. :p
[03:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: to take over the world, and burn people's eyes out.
[03:02] <tseng> TheMuso: picking up the piles of mail i sorted on the floor 2 weeks ago
[03:02] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I'd better keep away then. Even though I can't see as well as yourself, I still have eyes and a face that I would rather not have scarred. :)
[03:03] <ajmitch> I think I'll stay in NZ
[03:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: haha
[03:08] <TheMuso> ...was it something I said? Or has conversation just decided to die?
[03:08] <StevenK> Hobbsee killed it.
[03:08] <StevenK> Evil Hobbsee.
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> TheMuso, freenode died, at that moment
[03:08] <TheMuso> Well it died in an interesting way. :p
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> it wanted to die
[03:09] <TheMuso> Did it?
[03:09] <StevenK> It's Freenode, it *begs* to die.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:09] <TheMuso> Oh thats right. I can't glare at anyone.
[03:10] <ajmitch> heh
[03:10] <ajmitch> blame Hobbsee anyway
[03:10] <StevenK> No, blame New Zealand!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:11] <Hobbsee> it's all new zealand's fault.
[03:11] <ajmitch> of course it is
[03:11] <ajmitch> since we obviously control freenode
[03:11] <StevenK> Obviously.
[03:12] <StevenK> s/nail/could nail/
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:12] <TheMuso> Any kind MOTU feel like looking this one over? Malone bug 56025
[03:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56025 in moc "Request package sync from Debian unstable." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56025
[03:14] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Really?
[03:14] <TheMuso> When was that?
[03:14] <StevenK> Current release:  2.4.0-1build1
[03:15] <StevenK> That's only a rebuild
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[03:15] <tseng> builds are auto-synced
[03:15] <ajmitch> TheMuso: for sync requests, keybuk really appreciates it if you put the version number in
[03:15] <TheMuso> ajmitch: ah ok.
[03:15] <ajmitch> tseng: except that the autosync stopped, so we have to request every time
[03:15] <TheMuso> I'll edit.
[03:16] <tseng> ajmitch: yes but its not "unsyncable"
[03:16] <tseng> someone put a patch in build1?
[03:17] <Toadstool> nope
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ahh...excuse my idiocy
[03:18] <TheMuso> Edited.
[03:19] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Thanks for the heads up.
[03:20] <Toadstool> hmm, moc builds fine in my amd64 pbuilder
[03:21] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: are they all approved?
[03:21] <Toadstool> TheMuso: moc confirmed
[03:23] <TheMuso> Theres also Bug #55319
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55319 in spiralsynthmodular "Request sync of latest spiralsynthmodular version from Debian, oveversion" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55319
[03:25] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, everybody.
[03:25] <TheMuso> Night Fujitsu.
[03:26] <Fujitsu> See ya TheMuso.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> night Fujitsu
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Bye.
[03:26] <neutrinomass> There's also a sync request by a debian developer that has probably gone unnoticed so I'm bringing it up ... bug 53687
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53687 in Ubuntu "please ship leptonlib 1.37, not 1.36" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53687
[03:28] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: why get rid of the .deskto for spiralsynthmodular?
[03:29] <TheMuso> Aah. Didn't even see that.
[03:29] <TheMuso> Will reject bug.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: that's definetly a merge.
[03:31] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I know that now.
[03:31] <ajmitch> neutrinomass: libleptonica
[03:31] <TheMuso> Working on it.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :)
[03:31] <ajmitch> which didn't appear to make it in at all
[03:32] <neutrinomass> ajmitch: Yep... I found it in Debian, not in Ubuntu though
[03:39] <Hobbsee> grr.  kdbg doesnt seem to build.
[03:44] <TheMuso> Gar.
[03:45] <TheMuso> So I return, just as the package starts to get configured.
[03:45] <TheMuso> heh
[03:46] <ajmitch> don't you hate waiting for apt-get to finish resolving dependencies?
[03:46] <TheMuso> And downloading them
[03:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it's sync time!
[03:47] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[03:48] <TheMuso> Lucky you.
[03:48] <TheMuso> I may decide to keep a local mirror when I have my file server built, and ADSL2. :p
[03:48] <Bazzi> does it take long for you for apt to resolve depoendencies etc? I never had a problem with the time it takes
[03:48] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: connection here is a bit sucky now.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Bazzi: in a pbuilder, it takes quite a while
[03:48] <ajmitch> Bazzi: for pbuilder, yes
[03:48] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: particularly if i'm at uni
[03:48] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:48] <Bazzi> oh, for pbuilder
[03:48] <ajmitch> since it repeatedly simulates installing a set of packages
[03:49] <TheMuso> Packages which draw in 30 odd MB of deps can be a little on the long side.
[03:49] <ajmitch> TheMuso: is that all?
[03:49] <TheMuso> ajmitch: ?
[03:49] <Bazzi> ok a local mirror might make sense then ;)
[03:50] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I've seen some that require much more than that
[03:50] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well I haven't. :p
[03:50] <TheMuso> As far as I can remember.
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:52] <TheMuso> Hey bddebian.
[03:52] <bddebian> Hello TheMuso
[03:52] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:52] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[03:56] <TheMuso> Meh. I'll check up on that build in the morning .Wanna get to bed, so will take care of later. :)
[03:56] <TheMuso> Night folks
[03:56] <ajmitch> night TheMuso
[03:57] <bddebian> Gnight TheMuso, ajmitch
[03:58] <ajmitch> I said I should
[03:58] <ajmitch> I haven't quite got there yet
[03:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:59] <bddebian> Oh, well get to work then.. ;-P
[04:39] <nexu> what package include pyversions ?
[04:42] <Toadstool> nexu: "python-minimal: /usr/share/python/pyversions.py" according to dpkg -S
[04:44] <nexu> hmmm
[04:44] <nexu> i still get sh: pyversions: command not found
[04:45] <Toadstool> nexu: the python package creates the /usr/bin/pyversions -> /usr/share/python/pyversions.py symlink iirc
[04:45] <nexu> yeah i just did that
[04:45] <nexu> trying again now
[04:53] <chillywilly> hi
[04:55] <chillywilly> I am writing an init script for this grey listing daemon (sqlgrey) and there a switch (-d) to put the thing into the background, but if the process fails to stasrt a pid file is written out anyway so the start-stop-daemon command returns success even if the daemon fails to start...is it me or is that really poor behavior?
[04:56] <chillywilly> if start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $SQLGREYPID \
[04:56] <chillywilly> --exec $SQLGREY -- $sqlgrey_opts; then
[04:56] <chillywilly> ....
[04:56] <chillywilly> was doing something like that
[04:58] <chillywilly>  I suppose it's because the process is put into the background
[05:13] <matid> Hi everyone. Where can I find any info on prerequisites to be given upload access to REVU?
[05:14] <Gloubiboulga> !revu
[05:14] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:14] <Gloubiboulga> there :)
[05:14] <matid> Gloubiboulga: Thanks ;)
[05:15] <Gloubiboulga> np :)
[05:19] <matid> If I update a package and I'd like it to be uploaded to Ubuntu can I safely ignore lintian warnings regarding NMU?
[05:19] <tseng> yes
[05:20] <AnAnt> does anyone know the name of the widget that looks like a bubble , Ubuntu uses this widget in it's update manager to tell if there are new updates or need to reboot
[05:21] <tseng> its libnotify
[05:21] <tseng> not really a gtk widget you create directly
[05:22] <AnAnt> tseng: oh, a library
[05:27] <AnAnt> so I need my program to be in C to use it
[05:29] <geser> which language do you use?
[05:30] <AnAnt> Perl
[05:30] <Kyral_Laptop> I walk in and I see Perl
[05:30] <Kyral_Laptop> I am happy :P
[05:30] <zul> im not
[05:30] <zul> perl is evil most of the time
[05:30] <AnAnt> Kyral_Laptop: you remind me of the poem called "She walks in beauty "
[05:31] <Kyral_Laptop> huh?
[05:31] <Kyral_Laptop> Never heard it
[05:32] <AnAnt> nevermind, so is it possible to use libnotify in perl ?
[05:32] <geser> there seems to be no perl bindings for libnotify
[05:33] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[05:33] <geser> perhaps you could use notify-send from the libnotify-bin package
[05:33] <AnAnt> oh, that sounds nice
[05:35] <AnAnt> geser: thanks a lot, that worked :)
[05:36] <AnAnt> btw, I sent some packages on REVU long time ago, and didn't get any comments on them
[05:36] <AnAnt> especially there is a new package not in Debian nor Ubuntu
[05:36] <AnAnt> called acon
[05:36] <AnAnt> for arabic users
[05:36] <matid> I fixed bug 55799. What's the proper way for me to make this fix actually be uploaded to repositories? Should I attach the debdiff file or upload the package to REVU?
[05:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55799 in edenmath.app "Typo in package description" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55799
[05:37] <matid> I'm not a member of any packaging team
[05:41] <geser> matid: is it a large debdiff?
[05:41] <matid> geser: I don't think so. I just fixed a typo. It's 56 lines long
[05:42] <matid> geser: But this will be an initial ubuntu upload. It was only synced from debian, I think
[05:42] <matid> geser: Or at least the version doesn't end with ubuntu*
[05:45] <geser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs says upload the debdiff and assign it to the motureviewers team
[05:48] <matid> geser: Thanks
[05:50] <geser> there is also a ubuntu-universe-sponsors team but I don't know when you should choose it and when motureviewers
[06:31] <Amaranth> How do I make my package install a file but then have upgrades not overwrite that file?
[06:31] <Amaranth> It's not really a conffiles thing, I don't think. It's an SQLite DB, getting a diff of that would be useless. :P
[06:52] <matid> Hi LaserJock
[06:52] <LaserJock> hi matid
[06:53] <kagou> hi
[06:55] <axisys> !date -u
[06:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about date -u - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:55] <Amaranth> @now Chicago
[06:55] <ubuntu-es> Amaranth: Error: "now" is not a valid command.
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: August 11 2006, 11:55:52
[06:55] <Amaranth> wtf is that?
[06:57] <Amaranth> @owner
[06:57] <ubuntu-es> Amaranth: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[06:57] <LaserJock> Amaranth: who are you?
[06:57] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:58] <Amaranth> who owns ubuntu-es?
[06:58] <Amaranth> it needs to go away or change it's prefix
[06:58] <LaserJock> ### MOTU School Session: "Packaging Basics" is about to start in #ubuntu-motu-school ###
[07:09] <gnube> hmm.
[07:10] <LaserJock> hmmm
[07:11] <gnube> I think I missed the session. Bummer
[07:11] <LaserJock> it's going on right now
[07:11] <LaserJock> in #ubuntu-motu-school
[07:11] <gnube> Oh really? Where?
[07:11] <gnube> oh, gggg.
[07:11] <gnube> Thanks!
[08:06] <segfault> how is the review process going?
[08:09] <sbalneav> LaserJock: pinggggg
[08:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what?
[08:11] <sbalneav> when's the next motu-school.  I should attend
[08:12] <LaserJock> it's going on now
[08:12] <LaserJock> #ubuntu-motu-school
[08:12] <neutrinomass> I don't want the interrupt the -school session, so I'll ask here: Is renaming an original tarball to .tar.gz neccessary if it originally was .tgz ?
[08:12] <LaserJock> I think so
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> neutrinomass, yes
[08:13] <neutrinomass> Gloubiboulga: Besides renaming it (and maybe mentioning it in the changelog), should anything else be done ?
[08:13] <crimsun> that's if you're packaging from scratch
[08:13] <crimsun> if you use uupdate, that step is unnecessary
[08:14] <crimsun> (uupdate of course requires an existing package infrastructure)
[08:15] <Gloubiboulga> neutrinomass, you just have to rename the file I think
[08:16] <neutrinomass> Gloubiboulga: ok, thanks
[08:18] <neutrinomass> (I'm quite unlucky today it seems). I got the upstream tarball but unpacking it creates a foobar-2.1 directory and a symbolic link 'foobar' in the cwd that points to foobar-2.1 - what should be done ?
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> no idea actually...
[08:20] <Gloubiboulga> you can run your mailing app and write a nice mail to upstream asking them to provide a clean tarball :)
[08:22] <crimsun> that's the best thing to do.
[08:23] <neutrinomass> Ok, will do.
[08:28] <siretart> Toadstool: I finally managed to get your patch into production
[08:28] <siretart> Toadstool: I just switched the apache config to use the bzr checkout, instead of the svn one. so merging patches is way easier now
[08:32] <siretart> if someone wants something uploaded to revu, please ping me.
[08:32] <siretart> I disabled the cronjob because I want to do the next run manually for testing purposes
[08:38] <sharms> can anyone recommend a good package for time /task logging?
[08:40] <siretart> sharms: I've been using gnotime for a while, I read that canonical employees are using gtimelog
[08:40] <sharms> just what i was looking for, thanks
[09:09] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, you're a star now ;)
[09:09] <LaserJock> heh, not exactly
[09:10] <Gloubiboulga> I think that a lot of people were really interested in this session
[09:10] <Gloubiboulga> people who didn't know who to get started
[09:11] <gnube> I know I was really interested in this, and I have submitted packages to debian already.
[09:15] <LaserJock> ok, time for a break
[09:16] <LaserJock> hehe, about 15 minutes into the session my boss came in and reminded me I was supposed to be doing a fire extinguisher training :-)
[09:17] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[09:17] <LaserJock> oops
[09:18] <bddebian> heh
[09:18] <matid> ;)
[09:19] <LaserJock> somehow I always end up missing these trainings
[09:19] <LaserJock> I'm going into my 5th year
[09:19] <LaserJock> and I just this year got my laser safety training
[09:19] <siretart> LaserJock: nice motu school session, indeed
[09:20] <LaserJock> and I've been the lab laser safety officer for a couple years
[09:20] <LaserJock> siretart: well, it's ok
[09:20] <LaserJock> I'd like to see it more compact (+m might help :-) )
[09:20] <bddebian> Time to head home. Later folks
[09:20] <LaserJock> I had wanted to look at 3 packages
[09:21] <LaserJock> but it took 2 hrs just to get through 1 :-)
[09:21] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[09:21] <crimsun> three is a bit much
[09:21] <crimsun> it took me three hours to cover three packages, and that was with an effective audience of two
[09:22] <LaserJock> yes, well the last 2 where just quick ones
[09:22] <LaserJock> like mutagen to show what CDBS looks like
[09:22] <crimsun> personally it's much nicer to field questions as they come in, making it feel more like an actual session
[09:23] <LaserJock> but you really can't do much in 1-2hrs
[09:23] <LaserJock> well, I would have liked to be able to put stuff out and then unmod it
[09:23] <LaserJock> and have designated question breaks ;-)
[09:23] <LaserJock> but it works out ok
[09:23] <LaserJock> I like having stuff as it comes up
[09:23] <crimsun> I'd really like to be able to use a videocast or something
[09:23] <LaserJock> because I often forget a point
[09:24] <LaserJock> and it's nice to have somebody ask a question that reminds me
[09:25] <LaserJock> crimsun: video cast would be interesting as I'm sitting here in lab and my boss was coming in and out
[09:25] <LaserJock> asking me questions, etc.
[09:25] <crimsun> of your screen
[09:25] <crimsun> like a read-only vnc for multiple users
[09:25] <LaserJock> well you don't want that either, I used OS X 90% of the time
[09:25] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:25] <crimsun> I don't see how that's relevant
[09:26] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:27] <crimsun> as a raging Ubuntu-aholic MOTU, I doubt you'll lose that
[09:27] <LaserJock> lol
[09:27] <LaserJock> oh, I'm tired
[09:27] <LaserJock> I'm doing 2 weeks of intense contributor development
[09:27] <LaserJock> and then I'll need a break
[09:28] <LaserJock> I've got 2 presentation at Ubucon next week
[09:29] <LaserJock> trying to work on a "contributing to Ubuntu" doc with lloydinho
[09:30] <LaserJock> and I've seemed to have picked up a "pester the forums with 'Ubuntu is a community project, come contribute'" habit this week ;-)
[09:30] <LaserJock> but after Ubucon, man I'm going to crash
[09:31] <crimsun> well, take a well deserved break, then
[09:31] <crimsun> I had to myself
[09:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:31] <LaserJock> it's so easy to get sucked in
[09:31] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is more than contagious
[09:32] <LaserJock> it's like a vortex that sucks you in
[09:32] <crimsun> easy solution for that
[09:32] <crimsun> work for Canonical
[09:32] <LaserJock> noooooooo
[09:32] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:32] <crimsun> oh you'll find you don't have that problem :-)
[09:33] <LaserJock> I've made up my mind that I don't want to work for Canonical
[09:33] <LaserJock> no matter how appealing it sounds some days
[09:33] <matid> LaserJock: Why is that?
[09:34] <LaserJock> for one, my wife would divorce me ;-)
[09:34] <LaserJock> and I'm a chemist and I like being one
[09:34] <LaserJock> so while Ubuntu is awesome and a great thing to volunteer for
[09:34] <LaserJock> I don't want it to become a "job"
[09:35] <LaserJock> and besides, there are tons of people waaaay more qualified than me to work fof Canonical
[09:35] <LaserJock> I'd rather have them working on my distro
[09:35] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:35] <crimsun> the former reason is valid, the latter is rubbish
[09:36] <welshbyte> heh, my housemate said i can take over as maintainer of his project which i was attempting to package yesterday
[09:36] <LaserJock> hmm, that reminds me, I was going to go edit the BddebianIsAGod page :-)
[09:40] <zul> LaserJock: why not you can work at home...naked even
[09:40] <LaserJock> well, if I was a theoretical chemist I could do that
[09:40] <LaserJock> but I'm not
[09:41] <LaserJock> somehow I decided to do a PhD on something that involves almost no computer work
[09:41] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:41] <LaserJock> I have thought about working for a scientific software company
[09:41] <zul> you could make bombs :)
[09:41] <LaserJock> I already do
[09:42] <LaserJock> just very small ones ;-)
[09:42] <zul> cherry bombs? :)
[09:42] <LaserJock> you should have seen what happend to our lab when a stupid postdoc exploded a gas cylinder
[09:42] <zul> heh..
[09:43] <Chons> i just joined the team on LP. so hello everybody!
[09:43] <LaserJock> the Environmental Health & Saftey department made a poster of it and put it on their homepage ;-)
[09:43] <gnube> LaserJock, Do you have a link?
[09:43] <gnube> Would love to check that out.
[09:44] <LaserJock> hmm, they might have taken it down already
[09:44] <LaserJock> it was up for a few years
[09:44] <gnube> Google perhaps . . .
[09:44] <LaserJock> let me see if I can dig it up
[09:46] <Toadstool> siretart: thanks :)
[09:46] <crimsun> hey now, don't disparage the stupid postdocs
[09:47] <siretart> Toadstool: you're welcome. I'm happy for every patch I get
[09:47] <LaserJock> well, the guy had to move to CS so....
[09:47] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:47] <zul> blowing up things too easy for him?
[09:48] <LaserJock> yeah, he also drilled holes through $500 optics with the laser
[09:48] <LaserJock> :/
[09:48] <crimsun> meaning he has a doctorate in chem and then went back for compsci? That's not stupidity, just insanity.
[09:50] <zul> LaserJock: heh...thats something i would do
[09:50] <LaserJock> well, when you have to teach people how to use a wrench, it's not a good sign for an experimental physical chemistry group
[09:50] <zul> heh...i electrocuted my lap partner once
[09:50] <LaserJock> and he apparently like cruching number
[09:50] <LaserJock> s
[09:50] <tseng> you mean lab partner?
[09:50] <tseng> i hope
[09:51] <LaserJock> lol
[09:51] <zul> er...yeah...i did
[09:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:51] <tseng> the other way would be sortof kinky, in the aberant sort of way
[09:51] <LaserJock> that took me a minute to see
[09:51] <tseng> ..not that theres anything wrong with that
[09:51] <zul> dyslexia
[09:52] <LaserJock> yeah, my math teacher in undergrad was dyslexic, sometimes you had to check your note carefully
[09:53] <tseng> http://techgage.com/article/sabayon_linux_rc2
[09:53] <zul> i can usually catch myself but sometimes it slips
[09:53] <tseng> that first background is not the default i would have chosen
[09:53] <tseng> if i were building a distro
[09:54] <zul> tseng: it looks like you puked on the desktop
[09:55] <tseng> zul: yeah.
[09:55] <tseng> zul: maybe because its based on gentoo
[09:55] <zul> tseng: heh...now now :)
[09:56] <tseng> or kde!
[09:57] <zul> hobbsee is not up yet..
[09:57] <tseng> :/
[09:57] <tseng> I will get her some other time
[10:00] <LaserJock> bah, those sabayon guys
[10:00] <LaserJock> I went looking for the developers of the gnome profile editor, sabayon
[10:01] <LaserJock> so I found a #sabayon channel and start chatting
[10:01] <LaserJock> hehe, wrong sabayon ;-)
[10:03] <Toadstool> hehe
[10:09] <LaserJock> man, quicksilver has just increased my OS X experience a lot. I can see why that deskbar applet thingy is so cool
[10:29] <zul> later
[10:45] <tseng> er
[10:45] <tseng> firefox 1.99
[10:45] <tseng> meh
[10:49] <Chons> i would like to start contributing with packaging truecrypt. there is already a package by the company itself but it is always out of date. i still got 2 questions. Where can I find out if someone is working on a package for truecrypt yet? And may there possibly a problem with the licence? I am not so keen in legal stuff, but I think that 2. b. might be critical. http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php
[10:53] <Toadstool> Chons: looks like the licence prevents truecrypt from being packaged for Debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00294.html
[10:53] <tseng> 1. You may copy and/or distribute This Product, provided that You do not modify
[10:53] <tseng> any part of This Product
[10:53] <tseng> this is non-free
[10:54] <Toadstool> yep
[10:54] <tseng> I think its even a gray area if you can apply a diff.gz
[10:54] <tseng> for packaging foo
[10:55] <tseng> adding new files might be ok
[10:59] <Chons> ok, then according to the debian-thread packaging would be a bad idea as the licence is unclear
[10:59] <tseng> I agree
[11:01] <Chons> perhaps they change the licence if I write them about that issue. a bsd licence might work for them
[11:20] <matid> Night guys
[11:27] <Chons> night