[01:34] <viper550> Hello! I'm trying out a new IRC client
[05:26] <nixternal> sorry for the floods earlier, as it seems my router was nailed...
[10:08] <mhb> hi folks
[05:39] <msikma> Hi everybody
[05:48] <cbx33> ping troy_s
[05:48] <cbx33> hi msikma
[06:08] <cbx33> dang it, if I'd have done the startup sounds last release
[06:08] <cbx33> they'd have been on the news :p
[06:30] <msikma> I think my Photoshop just hung
[07:03] <cbx33> :( - photoshop 6 doesn't run on dapper :(
[07:03] <cbx33> it ran on breezy
[07:06] <troy_s> blah photoshop... how you doing cbx?
[07:06] <troy_s> pong cbx33
[07:07] <cbx33> hi troy_s was gonna ask if you heard the latest sound?
[07:07] <cbx33> I also just posted to the ML to try to get some more feedback, and got one already :D
[07:07] <troy_s> Yes... right now the primary concern is developing a palette
[07:08] <troy_s> So that the CC can steer the direction
[07:08] <troy_s> and development can follow a formal procedure.
[07:09] <cbx33> you still don't think the palette is big enough?
[07:10] <troy_s> I think it is getting closer.  What is probably best is providing a diverse set of directions (without the polishing tweaks)
[07:10] <troy_s> Then canvas the CC for which ones work and don't.
[07:11] <cbx33> I've stopped polishing now
[07:11] <cbx33> ok
[07:11] <cbx33> I see Jono has stpped out of the ring
[07:11] <troy_s> Yes.
[07:11] <troy_s> He is a Canonical employee now in a different area.
[07:11] <cbx33> I know
[07:11] <cbx33> :p
[07:12] <troy_s> One of my buddies who is working at EA took a listen to the sounds.
[07:12] <cbx33> oh?
[07:12] <cbx33> feedback?
[07:13] <troy_s> Yes, I'll send you some when they are complete.
[07:13] <cbx33> please
[07:13] <troy_s> He has also scored films.
[07:13] <cbx33> I would be very very interested in those
[07:13] <cbx33> nice, something I would love to do one day
[07:13] <troy_s> Originally, he suggested that they felt a bit synthy -- which is something I tried to communicate as well.
[07:14] <troy_s> The percussion work is interesting.
[07:14] <cbx33> good good
[07:14] <cbx33> did you say he is creating some too?
[07:14] <troy_s> But again, all of the 'comments' are irrelevant -- the CC is all that matter.
[07:14] <troy_s> Yes.
[07:14] <cbx33> true
[07:14] <troy_s> He will try to get some out.
[07:15] <cbx33> heh
[07:15] <cbx33> I'd better work harder then
[07:15] <troy_s> No... his will most certainly expand the palette primarily.
[07:16] <cbx33> I wish I had more resources
[07:16] <troy_s> No.  He has been doing it for quite a while, and has a fine arts education as well.
[07:16] <troy_s> He is very professional...
[07:16] <troy_s> That means that he is quite skilled at collaborative development as well.
[07:17] <bersace> Hello
[07:17] <bersace> Who is peter savage ?
[07:17] <troy_s> Seems like bersace likes the percussion ones as well... :)
[07:17] <troy_s> cbx33
[07:17] <bersace> cbx33: hello
[07:17] <troy_s> Our sound developer.
[07:17] <bersace> troy_s: thanks
[07:17] <troy_s> :)
[07:18] <cbx33> bersace, me
[07:18] <bersace> Our *great* sound devloper !
[07:18] <troy_s> Percussion is working well... I would say cent and beat are working well.
[07:18] <cbx33> thanky bersace :D
[07:18] <bersace> cbx33: i think that we should modify a little the rhythm of the Organic one
[07:18] <bersace> in fact
[07:19] <cbx33> yeh?
[07:19] <bersace> the feel of two speeded up sound is due to the "two short pong"
[07:19] <bersace> at the end of each cycle
[07:19] <bersace> that really hard to explain
[07:19] <cbx33> yes
[07:19] <cbx33> I know what you mean
[07:19] <bersace> especially in english when you are french
[07:19] <troy_s> Polishing is a ways off :)
[07:19] <troy_s> So don't obsess just yet.
[07:20] <troy_s> I would like to see a "Rick Ruben" version of Cent if you can pull it off...
[07:20] <troy_s> Strip it bare
[07:20] <bersace> if you joint the two last "pong" of each cycle, that will make it less speedy without adding seconds :)
[07:20] <bersace> troy_s: ok
[07:20] <cbx33> bersace, i get it
[07:21] <troy_s> Let's just roll with the progress, expand the palette, and keep things simple.
[07:21] <cbx33> instead of dum da dum daaa da da dum ---dum da dum daaa dum
[07:21] <troy_s> Further, we would need a wiki page of distinct ideas.
[07:22] <troy_s> (as in pair the set down into the distinct variations, and keep the sub variations off for quick scanning as the CC is pretty damn busy as one can expect.
[07:22] <bersace> ok
[07:22] <bersace> sorry for the polishing coments:)
[07:22] <bersace> i really think that "organic" is a good theme for edgy
[07:22] <cbx33> troy_s, that was my intention with just having the blocks fro a sound style
[07:23] <cbx33> bersace, I already have it on my dapper machine
[07:23] <cbx33> :p
[07:23] <troy_s> bersace is one of our artwork wiki wizards
[07:23] <bersace> cbx33: lol
[07:23] <troy_s> pretty sure he could help you get the page into a scanning format
[07:23] <cbx33> and Message Received is a great tone for a mobile SMS tone
[07:23] <bersace> yep
[07:23] <cbx33> bersace, be my guest
[07:25] <bersace> troy_s: note that this case is exactly where i can help : i'm not an artist, not a content producer (except some artwork like http://openclipart.org/incoming/jaguar__tienne_bersac_03.svg or http://openclipart.org/incoming/loup__tienne_bersac_01.svg)
[07:26] <bersace> i can help polishing :)
[07:26] <cbx33> heheh ;)
[07:26] <cbx33> well even if it doesn't get picked
[07:26] <cbx33> I can make a polished version just for you bersace  :p
[07:26] <bersace> cbx33: and for you !
[07:26] <bersace> :)
[07:26] <bersace> that would be nice
[07:26] <troy_s> Yep polishing will come
[07:27] <troy_s> but again, we have a strict set of 'clients' to hit
[07:27] <troy_s> and those clients are the ones who will decide things... without their support, polishing and steering is all in vain.
[07:27] <troy_s> So basically what I am proposing is to get the "Ponder/Brainstorm" idea pool on the table.
[07:28] <troy_s> And then I'll try to get the 'clients' to have a peep at the cumulative list.
[07:28] <bersace> troy_s: sorry, but who are "clients" ?
[07:28] <bersace> sabdfl ?
[07:28] <troy_s> The CC
[07:28] <troy_s> sabdfl included.
[07:28] <troy_s> As we must always remember, Ubuntu is not a democracy ;)
[07:28] <troy_s> Which is also why it has been so successful.
[07:29] <bersace> of course
[07:29] <troy_s> Slow and steady will win the race.
[07:29] <troy_s> And remember the golden rule of design:  80:20
[07:29] <bersace> so clients want "slow and steady" ?
[07:29] <cbx33> hehehe
[07:29] <troy_s> Well no, I would suggest that we are new and growing... so we just move at the pace that we can deliver.
[07:30] <cbx33> bersace, nice play on words there :p
[07:30] <troy_s> 80% of most system's issues are caused by 20% of the factors.
[07:30] <troy_s> which means that with our limited resources, if we can identify the 20%, we can focus on those items.  The rest is the point of diminishing returns.
[07:30] <bersace> yep and 80% of world wealth is own by 20% of people
[07:30] <bersace> :P
[07:31] <bersace> i like the rule of 80:20 :)
[07:31] <troy_s> bersace:  exactly.  In fact, there are many studies on it...
[07:31] <bersace> ok
[07:31] <troy_s> steady == constant ==
[07:32] <bersace> ok
[07:32] <troy_s> uniform.
[07:32] <troy_s> etc.
[07:32] <bersace> i know
[07:32] <bersace> i read :)
[07:32] <bersace> that's exactly what i'm not !
[07:32] <troy_s> 80:20 == Pareto's Principle.
[07:32] <bersace> but this is why i need such mentor like you troy_s :)
[07:32] <troy_s> Seminal work on 80:20 "Quality Control Handbook" Joseph M. Juran
[07:33] <troy_s> McGraw-Hill, 1951
[07:33] <troy_s> blah
[07:35] <troy_s> I do think the CC will be most imporessed that cbx33's work is dedicated on Ubuntu.
[07:35] <cbx33> I sure hope so
[07:35] <troy_s> Well it is important from a philosophical level as well really...
[07:36] <troy_s> How can you propose a 'switch' to an operating system that you can't even really support 100% yourself?
[07:37] <troy_s> Ockham's Razor:  Given a choice between functionality equivalent designs, the simplest design should be selected.  ;)
[07:39] <troy_s> So keep those palette entries as simple as they need to be to communicate your sound cbx33 -- no simpler.
[07:40] <cbx33> :D
[07:40] <troy_s> Great.
[07:41] <bersace> troy_s: what do you mean by palette ?
[07:41] <bersace> the set of sounds ?
[07:42] <bersace> the set of variation of each sounds ?
[07:42] <troy_s> Yes... a 'range of colours' of sound so that the CC can say "X Y and Z are good directions -- continue that way"
[07:42] <troy_s> Which eliminates all the rest, and is good for refinement.
[07:42] <troy_s> Same technique as with traditional graphic art proposals.
[07:44] <bersace> troy_s: what is the big Comments table in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds just after organic ?
[07:46] <cbx33> bersace, that was my fault
[07:46] <cbx33> they were all comments on that one there
[07:46] <cbx33> theme
[07:46] <cbx33> but for some reason it centered it
[07:47] <bersace> ok
[07:47] <bersace> cbx33: what is the "Note:" ?
[07:47] <cbx33> on some I add a note about the sound
[07:48] <troy_s> Let bersace go in there and cull.
[07:48] <troy_s> He is very good at cleaning up wiki messes...
[07:48] <troy_s> also bersace, the 'Incoming' directory of the wiki is getting clogged a bit... perhaps you have some ideas on what should stay etc...
[07:48] <troy_s> and where to finalize localization.
[07:55] <bersace> cbx33: what did you comment ?
[07:55] <bersace> which variation ?
[07:55] <cbx33> bersace, ?
[07:55] <cbx33> which one?
[07:56] <bersace> i'm talking about the comments mess at the end of UbuntuSounds
[07:56] <bersace> and the strange "Notes:" line
[07:56] <bersace> on what do this refer to ?
[07:56] <bersace> all Organic ?
[07:56] <bersace> only a variant ?
[07:56] <cbx33> all organic
[07:56] <bersace> "Notes:" too ?
[07:58] <cbx33> yes
[08:06] <troy_s> Great to have bersace back in the fold.
[08:07] <troy_s> You can see why eh cbx33?  ;)
[08:07] <bersace> troy_s: did you see http://gnome-scanning.blogspot.com/ ?
[08:09] <bersace> ok, i rework organic comments
[08:09] <bersace> the problem is that MoinMoin table doesn't support of normal tags embedding
[08:09] <bersace> a cell can only contain a one line. :(
[08:13] <troy_s> bersace:  Wow.
[08:13] <cbx33> bersace, yes
[08:13] <cbx33> I hate that
[08:13] <troy_s> You can make canon scanners work with open source???
[08:13] <troy_s> How do I make my bloody 5000F work?
[08:14] <troy_s> Just use headings
[08:14] <troy_s> Tables are too hard to adjust.
[08:14] <troy_s> Headings are far more useful, and the table of contents automagically update them.
[08:16] <bersace> yes
[08:16] <bersace> i'll do it
[08:17] <troy_s> bersace:  Do you know of a way to get canon scanners up under os operating systems?
[08:17] <bersace> i'm just writing a replacement of xsane
[08:17] <bersace> so if xsane doesn't support your device, gnomescan won't
[08:18] <bersace> ask #sane
[08:18] <troy_s> ah
[08:23] <bersace> troy_s: canon is known to ship inexistent or bad driver for each OSes and particularily for Free OSs
[08:24] <bersace> but FOSS offer a quite good support of canon device, considering the pain of writin all that drivers.
[08:27] <cbx33> bersace, you still editing the wiki?
[08:27] <cbx33> I have a new sound to add
[08:28] <bersace> cbx33: wait a minute
[08:28] <cbx33> kk
[08:30] <bersace> submitting
[08:30] <cbx33> ok
[08:30] <bersace> done
[08:31] <cbx33> ok
[08:31] <bersace> please follow the new guideline :)
[08:31] <bersace> stoooooop !
[08:31] <bersace> cbx33: stooooopp !!!
[08:31] <bersace> let me make a last mod
[08:31] <cbx33> ok
[08:32] <cbx33> hehe
[08:33] <bersace> troy_s: i'm adding UbuntuSounds to CategoryArtwork
[08:33] <bersace> Since there is not ubuntu-sound team, i guess that's a good choice
[08:33] <cbx33> bersace, there is an Ubunt Audio team
[08:33] <cbx33> but it seems pretty dead
[08:33] <bersace> hmm.
[08:33] <cbx33> bersace, you done editing now?
[08:34] <bersace> yep
[08:34] <troy_s> Good idea bersace.
[08:34] <troy_s> Only comments thus far are to pair down the existing work.
[08:34] <troy_s> Pick ONE of each sample
[08:34] <troy_s> and provide it.
[08:34] <bersace> ?
[08:35] <troy_s> And add a table of contents of course.
[08:35] <bersace> what does mean "pair down" ?
[08:35] <troy_s> Reduce
[08:35] <troy_s> pick the 'best' candidate
[08:35] <troy_s> in each 'topic'
[08:35] <troy_s> If I manage to get the CC to look at it,
[08:36] <cbx33> in that case
[08:36] <troy_s> I don't want them spending too long listening to samples that are very similar...
[08:36] <cbx33> pick the last one
[08:36] <troy_s> And keep the comments in a list format, as that table limitation is painful.
[08:36] <cbx33> want me to go through and cull the page?
[08:36] <bersace> troy_s: you mean, i have to highlight the most worked variation of each sound ?
[08:36] <troy_s> cbx33, that would be great...
[08:36] <cbx33> yeh, troy_s to keep all comments
[08:36] <bersace> cbx33: have you finished ?
[08:36] <cbx33> and incase people want to hear the old versions
[08:36] <cbx33> bersace, yes
[08:36] <bersace> ok
[08:37] <troy_s> keep the others obviously, but let's keep the page streamlined for the CC.
[08:37] <cbx33> couldn't we highlight the table row with the latest version?
[08:37] <troy_s> TOC, avoid the tables, and provide a spot for @SIG@ comments.
[08:37] <bersace> loooooooool !
[08:37] <bersace> cbx33: very nice the Christmas theme ^^
[08:37] <cbx33> heheh
[08:38] <bersace> for the ubuntu-calendar-december-audio package :D
[08:38] <bersace> hey, that's a good idea :)
[08:38] <cbx33> heheh...noooooooooo
[08:39] <bersace> that's huge work
[08:39] <cbx33> indeed it is
[08:39] <bersace> but that's could be nice
[08:39] <cbx33> althouht if we came up with a single them tune
[08:39] <bersace> if we have a big ubuntu-audio team
[08:39] <bersace> if we had
[08:39] <cbx33> I could do one with different instruments each month
[08:39] <troy_s> We have what we have.
[08:39] <troy_s> Remember 80:20 and let's get to the 20
[08:39] <cbx33> yeh bersace, you're stuck with just little I at the moment
[08:40] <troy_s> All is good.  Progress is better than no progress.
[08:41] <msikma> Hey cbx33
[08:41] <msikma> I listened to some of those opening sounds
[08:41] <msikma> They are totally cool
[08:41] <cbx33> yeh?
[08:41] <cbx33> thanks msikma
[08:41] <msikma> Have you made any other interface sounds yet?
[08:41] <cbx33> no
[08:41] <cbx33> but I have some ideas
[08:41] <cbx33> I'd like to wait till the theme is chosen before I do that
[08:41] <troy_s> 80:20
[08:41] <troy_s> Exactly.
[08:41] <msikma> I also just uploaded another update of PolishHumanGTKTheme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/PolishHumanGTKTheme/Incoming?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=michielgtk4.png
[08:41] <cbx33> and possibly buy/get Canonical to buy/ me a new a sound card and rerecord them all
[08:42] <troy_s> Worry about the bigger picture, the smaller details are diminishing returns.
[08:42] <msikma> Do you have any old interface sounds? I'd like to hear them
[08:42] <cbx33> msikma, no, they are in my head
[08:42] <cbx33> unless you have a mind->wav converter?
[08:42] <msikma> Hmm, too bad. I would have liked to hear them.
[08:43] <cbx33> heheh
[08:43] <cbx33> you will when the theme gets chosen :p
[08:43] <cbx33> msikma, could you provide a quick reply to the ML with your comments
[08:44] <msikma> Comments on your sounds? I put them in the wiki
[08:44] <cbx33> ok cool
[08:44] <troy_s> Greetings Rippon
[08:45] <Rippon> Hello
[08:45] <bersace> troy_s, cbx33: i added a "File:" field for each composition which point to the latest version
[08:45] <troy_s> Great.
[08:45] <cbx33> nice bersace
[08:46] <troy_s> Rippon, I don't recognize your handle.  How long have you been participating?
[08:46] <cbx33> thanks for taking the time to help out on that bersace
[08:46] <bersace> hey, that's my job :)
[08:46] <cbx33> heheh even so
[08:46] <cbx33> :p
[08:46] <bersace> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-art-wiki-re-organisation
[08:47] <cbx33> bersace, I'm hoping to do some wiki reorganisation of the LTSP documentation
[08:49] <troy_s> Did the cull finish?
[08:49] <cbx33> take a look
[08:49] <cbx33> tell us what you think
[08:49] <cbx33> thanks msikma
[08:50] <troy_s> Did he move it to sub /Artwork?
[08:50] <msikma> I think that they're awesome, but that some of them are a little bit too long than I would expect them to be.
[08:50] <troy_s> or is it still at UbuntuSounds
[08:50] <cbx33> msikma, yes, it's mainly for getting the basis right
[08:50] <cbx33> then peole can say I like the fade out
[08:50] <cbx33> or like the middle beat etc
[08:50] <msikma> E.g. some of them have an excellent intro, the first few seconds, but then the last few seconds consist of just long synth notes which I believe could fade out earlier. But the general feel is excellent.
[08:51] <msikma> Like, they're not supposed to be finished products already, but they sure feel like it.
[08:51] <troy_s> Polishing issues.
[08:51] <cbx33> thanks msikma
[08:51] <cbx33> I'll polish you in a minute troy_s  :p
[08:52] <troy_s> That would be nice.
[08:52] <troy_s> Although that would take a lot of work.
[08:52] <cbx33> heheh
[08:53] <troy_s> Great effort on the whole Pete.
[08:53] <cbx33> heh
[08:54] <cbx33> all I can do is try
[08:54] <troy_s> I'll put you into contact with Adam once he finished up getting his title into beta.
[08:54] <troy_s> I think his time is at zero for the next couple to few weeks.
[08:54] <cbx33> troy_s, my only issue is we are getting very close to freeze
[08:54] <troy_s> Although he was looking for inspirational visuals, so if you have anything, forward them to me.
[08:54] <troy_s> cbx33 look at the breakdown.
[08:54] <troy_s> It is a ways off...
[08:55] <troy_s> which is also why focusing on two relatively simple but frequented items stands the potential for inclusion.
[08:55] <troy_s> And again, without the CC approval / direction, it is a complete vapour effort.
[08:56] <cbx33> troy_s, I wonder, is it worth getting some direction at this point
[08:56] <cbx33> they may have some great ideas
[08:56] <cbx33> ie fschoep cam up with the idea for "ogranic"
[08:56] <cbx33> check the mailing list
[08:56] <troy_s> cbx33, good idea.  ;)
[08:56] <cbx33> ogranic beat + choirs
[08:56] <cbx33> think we could pencil it in at the next CC?
[08:56] <troy_s> But again, they are busy.
[08:56] <troy_s> Well considering that none of us are members, no.
[08:58] <troy_s> You might want to consider removing the titles and changing them strictly to numbers.
[08:58] <cbx33> ok
[08:58] <troy_s> To avoid biasing based on completely unrelated issues.
[08:58] <cbx33> true
[08:58] <troy_s> And I would strike the xmas one, keep focused.
[08:58] <cbx33> it wasn't supposed to be christmas
[08:59] <cbx33> my wife commented that they sounded like sleigh bells
[08:59] <cbx33> I'll see if I can cut them
[08:59] <troy_s> LOL.
[08:59] <cbx33> it may sound better
[08:59] <troy_s> Or change the name.
[08:59] <troy_s> :)
[08:59] <cbx33> of course
[08:59] <troy_s> You can see my point already probably ;)
[08:59] <cbx33> the name implies the thought of christmas
[08:59] <cbx33> yes
[08:59] <troy_s> Exactly.
[08:59] <troy_s> Sample00, blah blah.
[08:59] <cbx33> troy_s, I'm sure I could get someone to get it onto the agenda for the CC meeting
[09:00] <cbx33> brb
[09:00] <troy_s> Yes.  Frank is in direct liason with the important folks... and thus far the progress in artwork has been substantial enough that it is probably a more direct route.
[09:01] <cbx33> I'm sure Frank would like me to get some more direction
[09:02] <troy_s> Yes.  It is in the works.
[09:02] <troy_s> I would say that the palette is at least a good starting point now.
[09:02] <troy_s> Which it wasn't before.
[09:02] <troy_s> Now if we refine the wiki page so that comments can be added via @SIG@
[09:03] <troy_s> and put a comments section for each _single_ sampling
[09:03] <troy_s> we are probably on the way.
[09:03] <troy_s> Streamline by removing the tables, providing a comments subheading with point based @SIG@ comments.
[09:03] <troy_s> And the rest should fall into place.
[09:05] <cbx33> ok, I'll get onto that in a min
[09:24] <cbx33> troy_s, what did you mean about the commenta and @sig@?
[09:27] <cbx33> what do we do with the comments on the variations?
[09:27] <cbx33> cull them and just take comments on final versinos??
[09:29] <troy_s> 1) Heading
[09:29] <troy_s> 2) Reference to attachment
[09:29] <troy_s> 3) comments sub heading
[09:30] <troy_s> 3.1) List based comments -- if you use @SIG@ comment follows here, the wiki automatically puts the date and time in where the @sig@ was
[09:30] <cbx33> ah ok
[09:30] <troy_s> The tables are just too hard to mainting for comments etc...
[09:31] <cbx33> yes
[09:31] <cbx33> what about the variations
[09:31] <cbx33> did youwant to chop them from the wiki?
[09:31] <cbx33> and what happens to commetns on variations>?
[09:31] <troy_s> Use your judgement... personally, I found the basics to be more than sufficient.
[09:32] <troy_s> Because for the large part the variations are more or less the same to someone taking a casual listen.
[09:32] <troy_s> With me?
[09:32] <cbx33> yes
[09:32] <troy_s> So for CC purposes, pick your fave.
[09:32] <cbx33> ok I'll cull them
[09:32] <cbx33> what about the comments we had on variations?
[09:32] <cbx33> your comments
[09:32] <cbx33> :p
[09:32] <troy_s> Pick your fave, and err on the side of simplicity to avoid adverse reactions to an effect or something.
[09:32] <cbx33> yes
[09:32] <troy_s> Well keep those in a backup page.
[09:32] <cbx33> I'll just make a backup of the page now
[09:32] <troy_s> Simplicity is key here...
[09:33] <cbx33> and then edit it
[09:33] <troy_s> We want a clear page outlining all of your basic directions, with clear areas for comment.
[09:33] <cbx33> yes
[09:40] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds
[09:49] <troy_s> Terrific Pete!
[09:49] <troy_s> Now just add the @SIG@ to your comments.
[09:49] <troy_s> at the beginning.
[09:49] <troy_s> Just type "@SIG@" followed by your comment.
[09:49] <troy_s> When you save the page it will fill in the macro.
[09:54] <cbx33> to my comments?
[09:54] <cbx33> which ones?
[09:55] <cbx33> they will all be set to todays date?
[09:58] <troy_s> Yes... which is good enough.
[09:58] <troy_s> That is a very clean layout.
[09:58] <cbx33> :)
[10:01] <bersace> :(
[10:01] <bersace> why remove names ?
[10:02] <cbx33> troy_s said they were distractign
[10:02] <cbx33> and I must say to an extent I agree
[10:02] <cbx33> right I'm off out
[10:02] <cbx33> feel free to spruce anyone
[10:03] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSoundsFull still has all the old variations
[10:07] <troy_s> bersace, the names tend to stimulate preconceived notions about something.
[10:07] <troy_s> probably not desirable.
[10:08] <bersace> ok
[10:08] <troy_s> Kind of like naming one 'death' and one 'life'
[10:08] <troy_s> but in a much subtler form.
[10:08] <troy_s> Make sense?
[10:53] <PingunZ> can someone tell me what the maximimum size for a splash screen is ?
[10:54] <PingunZ> --> the one after the login window
[10:54] <bersace> hmm.
[10:54] <bersace> don't know
[10:54] <PingunZ> is it like 1280*1024 ?
[10:54] <bersace> that should  be described in gnome-session doc
[11:24] <troy_s> Maximum size depends on desktop resolution.
[11:53] <bersace> is possible to use svg ?