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| poningru | ogra: ping | 12:18 |
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| ryanakca | what do I add to debian/rules to apply patches? | 12:19 |
| Laser_away | ryanakca: are you using dpatch? | 12:19 |
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| poningru | Laser_away: is the school already over/ | 12:20 |
| poningru | ? | 12:20 |
| Laser_away | yeah | 12:20 |
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| poningru | :( | 12:20 |
| poningru | ajmitch: ping | 12:20 |
| Laser_away | you were at the first one weren't you? | 12:20 |
| poningru | yeah | 12:20 |
| ryanakca | Laser_away: ummm... dunno... I downloaded the kde pot patch thingy... and I put it in debian/patches/ ... which is what I'm supposed to do (from what I can tell of wiki/MOTU/School/PatchingSources) | 12:20 |
| Laser_away | yeah, are you using CDBS? | 12:21 |
| Laser_away | I'm guessing for KDE you are | 12:21 |
| ryanakca | debhelper | 12:21 |
| Laser_away | only debhelper? | 12:21 |
| gnube | Laser_away, Is that you LaserJock? Are you still here? You are dedicated! | 12:21 |
| ryanakca | Laser_away: yes... | 12:21 |
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| Laser_away | gnube: I spend a lot of time here ;-) | 12:21 |
| gnube | Cool. | 12:22 |
| gnube | Maybe that is one of the reasons Ubuntu is such a great distro | 12:22 |
| gnube | Dedication. | 12:22 |
| gnube | Debian people can be a little cranky, despite their genius. | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | yes, and especially dedication by the community at large | 12:22 |
| gnube | LaserJock, Absolutely, but you are a member of that community. | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | sure, and so are you ;-) | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | so I expect you to be here 12hrs a day :-) | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | just kidding | 12:23 |
| ryanakca | lol | 12:23 |
| gnube | Some members do more than others, hopefully one day I can contribute significantly as well. | 12:23 |
| gnube | I do my part, but not quite like you. | 12:23 |
| ryanakca | LaserJock: learn cdbs? | 12:24 |
| gnube | It is really important because packaging is kind of a black art. | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | well, I think the Ubuntu philosophy is "everybody contribute what you can, and together we can move mountains" ;-) | 12:24 |
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| tseng | LaserJock++ | 12:24 |
| gnube | Sorry to be so off-topic everyone, I'll shutup now. | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | gnube: no problemo | 12:24 |
| gnube | :) | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | we like discussing how great we are ;-) | 12:24 |
| tseng | unless slomo comes along and contributes for you | 12:24 |
| tseng | thats cool too | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | true | 12:24 |
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| ryanakca | Kubuntu is the bestest | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: you could | 12:25 |
| gnube | who is slomo? | 12:25 |
| Amaranth | I can't package either, don't feel bad. :) | 12:25 |
| tseng | he is #1 | 12:25 |
| ryanakca | gnube: no clue | 12:25 |
| Amaranth | I just make things. ;) | 12:25 |
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| LaserJock | slomo is a real MOTU | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 12:25 |
| ryanakca | I can... kindof... package | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | everybody has to start somewhere | 12:25 |
| ryanakca | nixternal__: hey... can I delegate you some more tasks? | 12:25 |
| ryanakca | lol | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | i can package python apps using distutils and simple things using gnome-autogen | 12:26 |
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| LaserJock | I'm sure there was a time (unimaginable as it seems) when elmo first read the GPL | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | packaging python = hard | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | ryanakca: no it's not :) | 12:26 |
| tseng | python is one of the easier things to do | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | well, the new stuff is hard | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | mind pointing me to a wiki/HOWTO | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | I've got some python apps I want to package :) | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | but it's just been made as easy as replacing dh_python with dh_pycentral and going | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | LaserJock: elmo = slomo? | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: you don't have to use CDBS but many KDE apps use it | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | ryanakca: no | 12:27 |
| nixternal__ | having issues right now, one sec ;) | 12:27 |
| tseng | ryanakca: ... elmo = elmo | 12:27 |
| tseng | ftp-master | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | ryanakca: cdbs + distutils used to mean a 1 line rules file, 2 lines if you needed to do patching | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | elmo = James Troup, master of Debian and Ubuntu | 12:27 |
| tseng | LaserJock: not so much of ubuntu | 12:27 |
| tseng | he is a slowly sysadmin these days | 12:27 |
| Amaranth | now you need a bunch of crap | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:27 |
| gnube | Once one has a package, as I do, for a tool called Xnee, how does one upload it to Ubuntu? | 12:27 |
| gnomefreak | is packaging harder in general than merges? | 12:28 |
| tseng | wrote himself out of the job :) | 12:28 |
| ryanakca | just got confused when you were talking about slomo and then talking about elmo | 12:28 |
| gnube | My debian sponsor kind of stinks | 12:28 |
| tseng | via launchpad | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 12:28 |
| ryanakca | gnube: REVU | 12:28 |
| gnube | And becoming a DD takes a long time | 12:28 |
| gnube | REVU eh? | 12:28 |
| gnube | hmm . . . | 12:28 |
| gnube | must read | 12:28 |
| ryanakca | gnube: and then bug laserjock or some other motu untill they go nuts and decide to revue your revu package | 12:28 |
| ryanakca | :) | 12:29 |
| gnube | ryanakca, Heh, you just told me the secret. ;) | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 12:29 |
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| gnube | w00t. | 12:29 |
| gnube | Thanks LaserJock | 12:29 |
| Amaranth | ryanakca: review :) | 12:30 |
| gnube | why are debian people so mad at Ubuntu? They say that Ubuntu does not give back, but that does not seem like a legitimate criticism since so much can just be taken from Ubuntu. | 12:30 |
| ryanakca | Amaranth: review :) | 12:31 |
| tseng | debian has 1000 developers | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | most Debian people aren't mad | 12:31 |
| tseng | you cant generalize about their opinions | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | there are a few very vocal people who dislike Ubuntu | 12:31 |
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| LaserJock | but I've had lots of good experiences with Debian | 12:31 |
| ryanakca | Some debian people help out in *buntu, and vice versa | 12:31 |
| === tseng too | ||
| ryanakca | so have I | 12:31 |
| gnube | LaserJock, Have you? That is good to hear. | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | you kinda have to know who to go to though | 12:31 |
| tseng | slomo, ajmitch and I are on the Debian Mono team | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | debian-mentors is a good group | 12:32 |
| tseng | i wrote the first draft of the debian policy | 12:32 |
| gnube | I have heard lots of negative stuff, but I suppose I should not blame every DD for that. | 12:32 |
| gnube | tseng, Wha? | 12:32 |
| tseng | wha? | 12:32 |
| ryanakca | I used Debian for the first 3 months of my linux life... setting up wacom is(or was) a hassle... because you had to compile your own kernel... but other than that... awesome distro | 12:32 |
| gnube | tseng, For real? You wrote debian policy? Wow, cool. | 12:32 |
| tseng | gnube: haha for real | 12:33 |
| tseng | its a draft | 12:33 |
| gnube | ryanakca, I agree, but I have a Dell and debian and Dell are not freinds. | 12:33 |
| tseng | and other people have added stuff to it | 12:33 |
| gnube | draft or not, cool. | 12:33 |
| gnube | co-author or not, cool. | 12:33 |
| tseng | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ | 12:33 |
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| ryanakca | that's sweet | 12:33 |
| tseng | ryanakca: haha | 12:33 |
| tseng | seb128 is on the debian gnome team | 12:33 |
| gnube | But, you know what I am going to say next . . . Mono is not Free Software! | 12:33 |
| gnube | It is based on Microsoft's C# | 12:34 |
| tseng | I'll try not to hurt you | 12:34 |
| gnube | I know. | 12:34 |
| ryanakca | seb128... he's the head of ubuntu-l10n-fr... right? | 12:34 |
| tseng | or are you really lacking clue? | 12:34 |
| gnube | I expect it. | 12:34 |
| gnube | I am wearing flame retardent underwear. | 12:34 |
| tseng | it isnt "microsoft's C#" | 12:34 |
| tseng | its an open standard | 12:34 |
| Toadstool | ryanakca: he used to be | 12:34 |
| tseng | including Intel, HP | 12:34 |
| ryanakca | used to? | 12:34 |
| ryanakca | hmmm | 12:34 |
| gnube | tseng, Still, they can change that "standard". | 12:34 |
| tseng | they can do whatever they want | 12:35 |
| tseng | and we can implement the standard | 12:35 |
| tseng | its standardized by internation standards bodies, not by MS | 12:35 |
| ryanakca | Toadstool: who is it now? Claude Paroz? | 12:35 |
| Toadstool | ryanakca: yeah, too much work with gnome, etc. | 12:35 |
| tseng | if you really don't know this you should keep your opinion to yourself next time | 12:35 |
| tseng | no offence | 12:35 |
| gnube | tseng, But they have some serious influence in those bodies. | 12:35 |
| tseng | sure, they originated the idea | 12:35 |
| Toadstool | ryanakca: hmm, it must be Claude indeed | 12:36 |
| ryanakca | Toadstool: <nocomment>gnome</nocomment> | 12:36 |
| Toadstool | heh | 12:36 |
| gnube | No offence taken, I speak a lot with Georg Greve, rms, et. al, so I have a bit of knowledge about this. | 12:36 |
| tseng | I am not sure what they are going to do maliciously to an open standard of ISO and EMCA | 12:36 |
| gnomefreak | Toadstool: ty for helping with the gnomebaker sync request | 12:36 |
| tseng | "we standardize on doing destructive things on linux" | 12:36 |
| gnomefreak | Toadstool: if it wasnt you forget i said anything | 12:37 |
| gnube | tseng, They mangled JAVA | 12:37 |
| tseng | Java isnt a standard | 12:37 |
| Toadstool | gnomefreak: no problem ;) | 12:37 |
| tseng | and microsoft didnt claim to implement something compatible | 12:37 |
| gnube | tseng, Lets not stray to far into semantics here. | 12:37 |
| tseng | I'm tiring of this | 12:37 |
| gnube | ok, fine. | 12:37 |
| tseng | if you wanted to go after WinForms you might have a leg to stand on | 12:38 |
| tseng | RMS FUD against the CLR is unwarranted by all accounts | 12:38 |
| gnube | Well, maybe you are not _so_ tired. | 12:38 |
| tseng | this is the same guy with nothing better to do but show up at a talk by ati employees and protest | 12:39 |
| gnube | You mean rms? | 12:39 |
| tseng | yes. | 12:39 |
| gnube | He has worked tirelessly for freedom. He is not the only voice, but he is an important voice, and often he is right. | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | anyway... | 12:40 |
| gnube | Free Software is really, really important. More important than Fspot or Beagle. | 12:40 |
| gnube | I'll stop now, perhaps this is not the correct forum. | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | it's a bit OT | 12:40 |
| gnube | right. :) | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | and I doubt any minds are going to be changed today ;-) | 12:41 |
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| gnube | Fair enough, thanks again LaserJock, see you soon! | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | if I had a mind it might work | 12:41 |
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| gnube | Must go . . . | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | cya gnube | 12:41 |
| === tseng counts to 10 | ||
| LaserJock | only 10? | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm I don't know the whole history of FLOSS etc. | 12:43 |
| tseng | its my opinion that rms was a leader 20 years ago and expects top billing to this day | 12:43 |
| tseng | as an example | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | but I think 90% of users would take Fspot and Beagle any day | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | I don't know the details | 12:44 |
| tseng | one of his lackies just suggested on the gnome-docs list that every instance of Linux be changed "to GNU/Linux or just GNU" | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | but it seems like Mono is open source, that's good enough for me | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | of course | 12:44 |
| tseng | i need to find the strings in question | 12:44 |
| tseng | it pinpoints the idiocy | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | I've gotten that a few times | 12:45 |
| tseng | these are really obscure | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | "Ubuntu" has to be "Ubuntu GNU/Linux" | 12:45 |
| tseng | yes, well | 12:45 |
| tseng | that was the kind of thing people see | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | which I still don't get but oh well | 12:45 |
| tseng | imo we might as well call it GNOME/Linux | 12:45 |
| tseng | if you went by lines of code | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | KDE/Linux <evil grin> | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | tseng: just teasin a bit, yea i see your point and totaly agree | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | Kubuntu KDE/Linux | 12:47 |
| tseng | GNOME/KDE/MOZILLA/Linux | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | and actualy it should be Linux/GNU since GNU are the base tools ( in some caes ) and linux is the kernel ;) | 12:47 |
| tseng | whatever. | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I've seen both Linus and RMS say some pretty dumb things | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | but I respect what they've done | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | ... and life goes on | 12:48 |
| === imbrandon loves the linus thread where he said "just use KDE" hehehe | ||
| imbrandon | LaserJock: exactly | 12:48 |
| tseng | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00204.html | 12:49 |
| tseng | these are the strings proposed for change | 12:49 |
| tseng | enjoy. | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | "There is an ongoing confusion for years, which is harmful for the Free | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | Software Movement.." | 12:51 |
| tseng | holy crap! | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | ??? | 12:51 |
| tseng | there are 16 tracebacks to my last blog | 12:51 |
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| tseng | LaserJock: i am definately confused | 12:52 |
| tseng | spam tracebacks | 12:52 |
| tseng | ..to sex sites, brilliant | 12:52 |
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| LaserJock | tseng: can you explain this at all? | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | I want to write about the reasons | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | why the GNOME Project was started, and about the danger of "Open | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | Source", which constantly threatens to bury the Free Software ideals | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | and turn them into something completely different and insignificiant. | 12:53 |
| LaserJock | open source is a threat to free software? | 12:54 |
| tseng | so | 12:54 |
| tseng | open source refers to being able to download the source code, generically | 12:54 |
| tseng | Free Software is more specific | 12:54 |
| tseng | guaranteing certain freedoms | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | ah, hmm | 12:54 |
| tseng | generally standardized by OSL or DFSG | 12:55 |
| tseng | both written by the same guy, actually | 12:55 |
| tseng | very roughly the right to modify and distribute without certain other restrictions | 12:56 |
| tseng | gpl has restrictions on this, but its still free.. where it gets complicated | 12:57 |
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| LaserJock | right, becuase I could say "you can download the source code, but you can't modify it"? | 12:57 |
| tseng | yes, obviously non-free | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | but is that open source? | 12:57 |
| crimsun | yes | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | k | 12:57 |
| tseng | because you got the source code | 12:57 |
| tseng | its "open" | 12:57 |
| tseng | open source doesnt guarantee anything | 12:58 |
| crimsun | now consider this: "you can download the source code and modify it, but you can't distribute your modified source code" | 12:58 |
| tseng | http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines | 12:58 |
| crimsun | e.g., djbdns | 12:58 |
| tseng | this is what you should cite | 12:58 |
| tseng | http://www.opensource.org/ | 12:58 |
| tseng | and this | 12:58 |
| crimsun | you obviously don't want either example we just talked about :) | 12:58 |
| tseng | yeah djb is a nut | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I mean I've read the DFSG, I just didn't get why you would would have non-free open source | 12:59 |
| tseng | because you are a weirdo | 01:01 |
| tseng | and don't like the terms of the GPL/BSD/etc | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php seem like more than, "you can get the code" | 01:01 |
| tseng | well, hello confusion | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 01:02 |
| tseng | opensource.org defines something close to DFSG | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it says at the bottom | 01:02 |
| tseng | most of the stuff should probably be called Free | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | that it is DFSG-(debian specific stuff) | 01:03 |
| tseng | as people identify that with something specific | 01:03 |
| tseng | open source is not always specific | 01:03 |
| tseng | DJB-ware could be "open" source | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | I just avoid saying "free software" because people think it's just $0 cost | 01:03 |
| tseng | crimsun can correct me if im at all confusing | 01:03 |
| tseng | Free with a capital f | 01:03 |
| tseng | Libre also | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I suppose that's true | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | I like FLOSS | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | it keeps my teeth clean and everything ;-) | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | sorry, bad joke | 01:04 |
| tseng | no, you don't | 01:04 |
| tseng | Jump to: navigation, search | 01:05 |
| tseng | Free/Libre/Open-Source Software, or FLOSS, is an alternative term for free software. It is used by those who wish to be inclusive or who do not want to take a side on whether "free software" or "open-source software" is a better term, although neither side has shown much enthusiasm for the term "FLOSS". | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | well, I like FLOSS except I have to explain it all | 01:05 |
| tseng | sorry if im not being helpful, its a pretty fine line most of the time | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | because I really couldn't care less what specifc term they use | 01:06 |
| tseng | right | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | I want to be able to tell my family what it "means" | 01:06 |
| tseng | but you want DFSG free | 01:06 |
| tseng | whatever they call it | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | yes, I think so | 01:06 |
| tseng | you just don't froth at the mouth over it | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 01:06 |
| tseng | we're on the same page | 01:07 |
| tseng | frothing at the mouth includes demanding that DFSG is called "Free" and not "Open" | 01:07 |
| tseng | Critics have said that the term "open source" fosters an ambiguity of a different kind, in that it confuses the mere availability of the source with the freedom to use, modify, and redistribute it. | 01:08 |
| tseng | from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source | 01:08 |
| tseng | is the crux of it | 01:08 |
| tseng | as we said before somethings called Open don't meet the standard for Free | 01:09 |
| tseng | sometimes, the author just isn't interested in the word debate | 01:09 |
| LaserJock | I suppose, to me "open source" should be that DFSG goodness that is on http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php | 01:09 |
| tseng | that would be nice | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | but again, I'm not particular what you call it | 01:10 |
| === tseng neither | ||
| LaserJock | anyway, I get what's going on now, thanks | 01:10 |
| tseng | as for GNOME, its always been Free | 01:10 |
| tseng | but I talk to miguel every day and he doesn't often get frothy-mouthed | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | so if I get some cool stuff from http://www.cafepress.com/opensourcestuff am I likely to get impaled? | 01:11 |
| tseng | only if you walk by a serious RMS fanboy | 01:11 |
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| tseng | do you read everyone loves eric raymond | 01:12 |
| tseng | including bruce perens, author of dfsg | 01:12 |
| tseng | vs linux, rms | 01:12 |
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| tseng | even sabdfl | 01:12 |
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| tseng | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/terrorismistic | 01:14 |
| tseng | hello, Hobbsee | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | haha | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi tseng | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi LaserJock | 01:14 |
| tseng | LaserJock: (eric raymond threatened bruce's life) | 01:15 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 01:17 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: (looking at your merges) | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | tseng: hehe, http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/slashdotted | 01:18 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I think there is only one is there not? | 01:18 |
| tseng | LaserJock: this is a classic strip | 01:18 |
| tseng | you need the sabdfl | 01:18 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: it's quite possible; I have been hacking up alsa this afternoon and haven't gotten a chance to check all the e-mails yet | 01:18 |
| tseng | LaserJock: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/cancomical-lynchpad | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | tseng: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/cancomical-lynchpad | 01:19 |
| tseng | yes! | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:19 |
| tseng | love it | 01:19 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I'd say so, as my others have been done as far as I am aware. | 01:19 |
| tseng | LaserJock: this site is funny because its all true | 01:19 |
| TheMuso | THe only one outstanding is spiralsynthmodular afaik | 01:19 |
| crimsun | ok | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | tseng: ok, I gotta go to a BBQ, thanks for the relaxation there ;-) | 01:20 |
| tseng | LaserJock: have a nice time | 01:20 |
| crimsun | wow um. | 01:20 |
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| crimsun | did I just break ff in edgy, or is anyone else enable to use https:// ? | 01:21 |
| crimsun | (the 2.0 beta) | 01:21 |
| tseng | *tries* | 01:21 |
| crimsun | unable, not enable | 01:21 |
| tseng | i can use https to gmail | 01:21 |
| tseng | and my own web server | 01:22 |
| tseng | crimsun: i do wish evolution would not crash on start | 01:22 |
| crimsun | hmm, I must have broken it for that session; LP works fine now. | 01:23 |
| crimsun | thanks, tseng | 01:23 |
| tseng | np | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | can someone feeling brave do the merge of libnjb? | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | looks like it'd be useful to have as a dep of amarok. | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | s/dep/build dep, etc/ | 01:34 |
| crimsun | in about 25 mins, sure | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: when you do merges/sync requests, can you chuck the package in the subject of the bug too? it's really annoying to see all these merge requests, but not what belongs to what :P | 01:37 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: No problem. | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i think i'm guilty of the same thing, actually | 01:38 |
| === Hobbsee has been getting lazy with sync requests. | ||
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: We all live and learn. | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:38 |
| TheMuso | Things like this I tend to take on board, and just do them next time. | 01:39 |
| TheMuso | I'm kinda like that. | 01:39 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: that's cool :) | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: it's not a problem, it's just something i noticed | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | I know that. | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | I was assuming one could look at the bug, and see the package name. :) | 01:41 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: that is true | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: but i've been recovering from my errors, not uploading things | 01:43 |
| TheMuso | hehe | 01:44 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: what's the issue with libnjb? | 02:14 |
| crimsun | it seems a fairly straightforward merge if you wanted to do that | 02:15 |
| crimsun | it's even syncable | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: no particular issue, looks like we'll need it for amarok. didnt really know what to change, eyeballing it :P | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | ah nice | 02:15 |
| crimsun | it can go either way, really | 02:16 |
| crimsun | I presume you want to keep the HAL FDI file, which means it'll be a merge | 02:18 |
| crimsun | I'll go ahead and merge it if you haven't already filed the sync req | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i've done nothing with it | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | hi | 02:19 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Thanks heaps | 02:19 |
| === TheMuso goes out for a bit. | ||
| ryanakca | is it acceptable to put "Suggests: kubuntu-desktop" for kde apps? | 02:20 |
| crimsun | ...I wouldn't. | 02:20 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:20 |
| ryanakca | then I wont :) | 02:20 |
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| ryanakca | and "kdelibs4-dev, libqt3-mt-dev" go into build-depends? | 02:23 |
| ryanakca | or is it "Depends"... (those two keep on confusing me)... | 02:23 |
| azeem | Depends is for stuff you would need at run-time, Build-Depends is for stuff you need during package build | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: they go in the build-deps | 02:24 |
| ryanakca | kk | 02:25 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: your love for the evil cdbs is contagious... I'm learning/kind of relearning packaging :) | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | hehe! | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | cdbs isnt evil :) | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | cdbs is very nice :) | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | saves room in debian/rules | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | and incredibly useful for global fixes. | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | how do you build a source package? I'm trying to figure out that part... i've got everything done (let's say)... untill that part | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | debuild -S -sa -rfakeroot | 02:28 |
| ryanakca | still debuild? | 02:28 |
| === ryanakca always though debuild was a deb helper thingy | ||
| ajmitch | yes, use debuild | 02:29 |
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: except with -rfakeroot now? I always ran "debuild -S -sa && sudo pubuilder update && sudo pbuilder build ../<packagename>-<version>.dsc" | 02:30 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:30 |
| ryanakca | hey bddebian | 02:31 |
| bddebian | Hi ryanakca | 02:31 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: that works too | 02:34 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: whats the difference? | 02:34 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 02:35 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: is -rfakeroot better? | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: as to building it with debuild -sa -S or with pbuilder? | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | ah. it builds it as root, even though you arent actually root. | 02:35 |
| === Hobbsee shrugs | ||
| Hobbsee | pbuilder is the better way to do it | 02:35 |
| ryanakca | :) | 02:35 |
| === ryanakca would have thought running something as root even though you arent actually root as a security risk... | ||
| Hobbsee | no, it's not that kind of idea | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | more that it's just pretending to be root, and building. | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | iirc. | 02:36 |
| ryanakca | ah, kk | 02:37 |
| === Hobbsee catn explain things this early in the morning! | ||
| ryanakca | morning??? it's 8:35PM! | 02:37 |
| neutrinomass | ryanakca: It just tells debuilder to ignore the fact that you are not root , from what I know. This is so that it can pass the "are you root?" test that fails when you try to apt-get source -b <package> without being root ... | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | where are you? India/Asia/Australia? | 02:37 |
| crimsun | .au. | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | ah | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | oh yeah... Sydney? | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | sydney | 02:38 |
| === ryanakca tries to stay on topic | ||
| Hobbsee | it's okay | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | so far behind | 02:38 |
| crimsun | ryanakca: (she has this thing called an LP page ;) | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: you mean there is a topic? *g* | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | it's got pretty icons on it :) | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: ack'd eric | 02:39 |
| ryanakca | crimsun: <stupid>LP page</stupid> | 02:39 |
| ryanakca | lol | 02:39 |
| === ryanakca goes to look at pretty icons | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | pretty icons??? | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | where??? | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | launchpad.net/people/hobbsee | 02:41 |
| ryanakca | oooh.. the fishy? :D | 02:41 |
| ryanakca | yes... I'm there... just trying to find them :) | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | yeah :) | 02:41 |
| === Hobbsee put the fishy there :) | ||
| === ryanakca would sneak into the council just to get the pretty fishy... it's so... fishlike :P | ||
| tseng | some day, Hobbsee will come into the light | 02:42 |
| ryanakca | actually no... all that technical talk | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 02:42 |
| tseng | and get a little blue foot | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: you wouldnt get into the council :P | 02:42 |
| === bddebian is lost | ||
| === Hobbsee should swap that and the universe contributors icons over. | ||
| Hobbsee | tseng: eek no! | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee hugs kde | ||
| === tseng hugs gnome | ||
| ryanakca | tseng: little blue foot... what's she turning into? a smurf or whatever you anglophones call them? | 02:43 |
| tseng | haha anglophone | 02:43 |
| ryanakca | <nocomment>gnome</nocomment> | 02:43 |
| tseng | I am American | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: little blue foot is gnome dev, or what? it's not the CC, which is the kubuntu council equivalent. | 02:43 |
| tseng | anglo is inferior, clearly | 02:43 |
| ryanakca | and you speak english... that makes you an anglophone :) | 02:43 |
| ryanakca | french speakers, like me, are francophones :) | 02:44 |
| tseng | ryanakca: I do, alot of this country is questionable on that | 02:44 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: its nothing, in launchpad.. its the gnome logo | 02:44 |
| crimsun | in my own defense I speak IRC. | 02:44 |
| tseng | nothing that I know of | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: ahhhh...gotcha. thought it might be that | 02:44 |
| bddebian | crimsun: :-) | 02:44 |
| ryanakca | crimsun: ircophone :) | 02:45 |
| neutrinomass | I'm trying a package with upstream tarball named schur-6.01_20060810.tar.gz and I'm getting some dh_make problems - is it ok if it is changed to schur-6.01.tar.gz ? | 02:47 |
| crimsun | no | 02:48 |
| crimsun | that would be misleading | 02:48 |
| crimsun | what vcs does it use? | 02:49 |
| gnomefreak | ty Hobbsee :) | 02:50 |
| crimsun | many people use name_version.vcs.isodate.orig.tar.gz | 02:50 |
| crimsun | for instance, xserver-xgl_7.0.0.git.20060725.orig.tar.gz | 02:50 |
| neutrinomass | Not sure... none I think | 02:50 |
| neutrinomass | the 20060810 is the release date | 02:50 |
| neutrinomass | So it's only a problem if they decide to release another 6.01 | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | it's also common to use x.y.z~date | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | where x.y.z is the next version | 02:51 |
| bddebian | If a source package has two tarballs (one for the data) but the data tarball doesn't have a license file, is it safe to assume it's the same license as the application? | 02:52 |
| crimsun | no. | 02:52 |
| bddebian | So what do I do? Do I have to contact upstream? | 02:53 |
| crimsun | yes, at least for verification if not also to get upstream to slap the licenses in the data tarball | 02:53 |
| bddebian | Damnit, I don't know why I try to do anything.. | 02:54 |
| bddebian | Thx crimsun | 02:54 |
| crimsun | np | 02:54 |
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| neutrinomass | When patching a patch in debian/patches, you just edit the patch straight away, right ? | 03:07 |
| bddebian | neutrinomass: Depends on the change | 03:09 |
| bddebian | It can be risky | 03:09 |
| neutrinomass | Trivial... a category change in the .desktop | 03:09 |
| neutrinomass | bug #42452 | 03:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42452 in firestarter "[Dapper] Firestarter is in System > Administration menu, even for non admin users" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/42452 | 03:10 |
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| bddebian | Didn't I fix that in Dapper? | 03:10 |
| neutrinomass | bddebian: Nope | 03:11 |
| neutrinomass | bddebian: I'm trying to fix that and bug 569 | 03:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 569 in firestarter "Firestarter Help runs Firefox as root" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/569 | 03:11 |
| neutrinomass | bddebian: What you probably did is make it appear under System->Administration as well | 03:12 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 03:13 |
| bddebian | Yeah, if the +Categories line is already there you can get away with just hacking that inside the patch file | 03:13 |
| neutrinomass | ok, thanks | 03:14 |
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| neutrinomass | bddebian: Ha! I think I fixed it. I upload the debdiff and assign to motureviewers now, right ? | 03:40 |
| bddebian | neutrinomass: Yep | 03:40 |
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| bddebian | Holy crap there are a ton of packages on REVU.. :-( | 04:11 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: yes, it's your job to get reviewing | 04:15 |
| bddebian | My job? Why, I'm just a nobody | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | you're a MOTU, that's what counts | 04:15 |
| === ajmitch is busy with f-spot bugs | ||
| bddebian | I really don't feel confident enough to review :-( | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | you've done it before | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | there are plenty of comments you could add | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | or just checking packages to see if they're in edgy or debian already | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: i dotn feel confident enough to review either. | 04:19 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I notice a LOT of what is up there right now is already in so I don't know if they are patches or what | 04:19 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you can do it as well | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: get a list together of packages that you think could be archived, pleae | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | s/pleae/please/ | 04:26 |
| === bddebian is still working through merges | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: archived? | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | lsr can be, as the update on revu has already been uploaded. | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: yes, make sure you're not looking in the archive section of the page | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | it should be changed to show only stuff to review | 04:26 |
| === ajmitch will talk with siretart about that one | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i can. but i'm not confident. | 04:28 |
| bddebian | ajmitch needs to do a reviewing packages class :-) | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: I'm sure I will feel the same way, but something tells me that my assistance will also be needed when I get MOTU. | 04:28 |
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| TheMuso | I think I would be up to it, considering some of the things I have had to do packaging wise lately. | 04:30 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee: why not? you've done enough stuff lately | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | you don't have to advocate, just go through & point out mistakes that you see | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | hmm. | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | treat it like bug triage - you don't have to fix every bug, just follow up on stuff | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:33 |
| === ajmitch wouldn't have thought he'd hear you say you weren't confident about it :P | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i thought you knew me better than that. | 04:34 |
| === Hobbsee is definetly not confident about everything | ||
| bddebian | OK ajmitch, you have successfully guilted me into it even though I'm apparently useless around here | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | you were confident enough to try for main, but not to review packages? | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: excellent | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: so i was just crazy. | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 04:35 |
| sharms | I am confident in my ability to not package things correctly :) | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | sharms: as long as you're willing to learn, it's good | 04:36 |
| === Hobbsee notes that she's never put a new package in. | ||
| === TheMuso notes that he has put 3 packages in. | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: that's surprising, I thought you had at least 1 or 2 | 04:37 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: IMO the hardest part can sometimes be the copyright. Other than that, the rest is easy enough. | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: there were a couple that i was going to get in | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | one had nasty symlinks all over the place that i never fixed, the other i had trouble with, and eventually got uploaded by someone else | 04:37 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: mainly it's been a case of doing so many other fixes, that i havent really had the time to look at putting something new in. | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | I figured that was probably the case | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | whereas the rest of us have been slacking | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | and the fact that the more new stuff that goes in, the more has to be bugfixed/synced with debian/etc | 04:44 |
| === ajmitch tends to push stuff to debian at the same time | ||
| ajmitch | or beforehand | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | that's the smart idea | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | and I'd encourage others to do the same via a sponsor | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | there's some interesting kde based packages that are goign to be like that, it seems | 04:44 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Damn it, now you and I are going to get hit up upon. | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 04:45 |
| === Hobbsee hugs ajmitch and StevenK, grinning evilly | ||
| ajmitch | StevenK: yeah, I think I'll hide in other channels for awhile | 04:45 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I think I'll join you. | 04:45 |
| === StevenK hides his GPG key. | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | Hey StevenK | 04:45 |
| === StevenK waves. | ||
| === TheMuso slaps StevenK friendly with his cane. | ||
| StevenK | Ow | 04:46 |
| StevenK | Careful where you poke that thing. | 04:46 |
| StevenK | What, can't you see where you're poking it? | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | I think I should really get som breakfast | 04:46 |
| === StevenK sniggers. | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yes, you should | 04:47 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: hahahahaha | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: just smash StevenK over the head to avoid such problems. | 04:47 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Depends on how hungry you feel. | 04:47 |
| StevenK | Hey! | 04:47 |
| TheMuso | I'd probably hit myself. | 04:47 |
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| Hobbsee | TheMuso: smack the blob that appears to be StevenK. you should be able to find that one. just dont smack the shorter blob next to him. | 04:48 |
| TheMuso | Well blobs aren't anything to go by. I'd either end up hitting someone I don't mean to, or myself. | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: ah. hmm. | 04:49 |
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| bddebian | Hobbsee: But you aren't as "cool" just fixing things, you have upload some crap ;-P | 04:49 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if she'll be a hobbsee-blob at slug this month. | ||
| === Hobbsee might be a non-existant-blob instead. | ||
| TheMuso | Non-existant? | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i'm not sure if i have to work | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 04:49 |
| bddebian | OK I'm trying to review and I still say I don't know enough :-( | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | why? | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | you should have seen enough broken stuff already to spot some common mistakes | 04:56 |
| bddebian | Common yes but seeing the comments from raphink and daemon make me feel even more like an idiot | 05:05 |
| imbrandon | moins ajmitch bddebian StevenK Hobbsee and anyone else alive i missed | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso ;) | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | hello imbrandon | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: s/daemon/sistpoty/ | 05:07 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 05:11 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Aye, sorry | 05:11 |
| bddebian | w00t, 1 down :-) | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | good | 05:13 |
| === ajmitch looks at the comments added | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: So something like lsr that is in, I can just hit the archive link? | 05:15 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: if its the same or older than what's in the archive | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Same | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | archive it | 05:16 |
| TheMuso | As I said above. | 05:16 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: Whoops, sorry missed that | 05:16 |
| TheMuso | Its fine. | 05:16 |
| TheMuso | You got it anyway. | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: planfacile is currently lurking in NEW | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | any updates since then just need 1 MOTU to check, like any sponsored upload | 05:18 |
| bddebian | OK | 05:19 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: What's up with kradio? | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: it's severely broken, and needs fixing. i'd axe it, as it hasnt been asked for in a while | 05:20 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: I mean it's already in the archive isn't it? | 05:21 |
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| bddebian | Oh, yours is newer | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: it *is*? it wasnt when it was last packaged | 05:22 |
| nixternal | sorry for the floods earlier, as it seems my router was nailed... | 05:25 |
| Hawkwind | I had someone asking about kradio 3 days ago :( | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | Hawkwind: ah. feel free to fix it, etc | 05:28 |
| === Hobbsee expects there to be a new upstream version now or something | ||
| Hawkwind | Hah | 05:29 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Should I archive the one on REVU or do you plan another upload? ;-) | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: i dotn plan to do another one myself, but someone like Hawkwind may | 05:32 |
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| bddebian | Won't that come in differently because of the different keys? | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | ah, yeah | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: i was more meaning if they wanted to grab my source | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | actually, no it doesnt | 05:35 |
| bddebian | Oh, aye, good point | 05:36 |
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| bddebian | StevenK: With what? | 05:36 |
| crimsun | well, a sync from Sid for quodlibet 0.22-2 would be swell. | 05:36 |
| bddebian | crimsun: ? | 05:37 |
| crimsun | bddebian: just realised that I never filed one; I'm using pbuilt ones | 05:37 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: Oh :-) | 05:38 |
| StevenK | bddebian: I'm at my mothers house, and I'm pondering what to do. | 05:38 |
| bddebian | StevenK: Fix kradio for Hobbsee ;-) | 05:39 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee? | 05:39 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: 'Splain yourself. | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm? | 05:39 |
| === Hobbsee is fighting with a maths quiz | ||
| Hobbsee | it's being evil, so i'm being evil against it. | 05:40 |
| bddebian | Egads soundkonverter is a pig | 05:42 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Would you like my help with kradio? | 05:42 |
| StevenK | Quod 0.22 is out? Damn! | 05:42 |
| crimsun | StevenK: as is mutagen 1.6 (just noticed) | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: if you want, i was going to leave it alone. | 05:43 |
| === Hobbsee is going to pass this maths quiz before doing anythign else. | ||
| === StevenK can't find kradio on merges.u.c | ||
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| === crimsun thinks he'll wait for mutagen 1.6 to hit Sid before requesting syncs for quodlibet 0.22-2, mutagen 1.6-1, and quodlibet-plugins 20060713-1 | ||
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: it's not there, it's something i was going to put into new a while ago | 05:44 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Pulling from sid, or what? | 05:44 |
| bddebian | StevenK: It's on REVU | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | it's on revu | 05:45 |
| bddebian | Should a xen upload even be on REVU? | 05:46 |
| === bddebian loves talking to himself | ||
| StevenK | bddebian: Glad to hear that. | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: not anymore | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | archive it | 05:56 |
| === StevenK notes kradio is in edgy and sid. | ||
| === ajmitch thinks he should upload f-spot to sid again | ||
| === StevenK ponders looking at PoCo-IRC | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: then axe mine. mine must be carzy | 05:58 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Yours is a later version. But not much later. | 05:58 |
| StevenK | 6 days or so. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | right. axe it. | 05:58 |
| bddebian | StevenK: So get the latest upstream ;-P | 05:58 |
| StevenK | That would mean that I care. | 05:59 |
| StevenK | I don't care that much. :-P | 05:59 |
| StevenK | Hell, I'm MOTU, and Hobbsee's MOTU, let's get TheMuso to do our bidding. | 05:59 |
| === TheMuso looks up. | ||
| crimsun | wow, _that_'s teamwork. | 05:59 |
| TheMuso | DId someone mention my name? | 06:00 |
| StevenK | crimsun: Indeed. | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 06:00 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Nose, grindstone, go. | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | hehehehe! | 06:00 |
| TheMuso | What package? | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: delegation - how any good organisation works | 06:00 |
| StevenK | All of them, duh. | 06:00 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: :) | 06:00 |
| === StevenK high fives ajmitch. | ||
| TheMuso | StevenK: I am gradually getting packages done thank you very much. | 06:01 |
| TheMuso | I just try not to step on other people's toes re merges. | 06:01 |
| StevenK | That's hard when you can't see them. | 06:02 |
| TheMuso | har har har har har!! | 06:02 |
| StevenK | I should stop doing that. | 06:03 |
| TheMuso | Nah tis fine. | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | yeah, they're quite painful | 06:03 |
| bddebian | StevenK: Well if you are a mighty MOTU, get reviewing with me :-) | 06:03 |
| StevenK | bddebian: Make me. :-P | 06:03 |
| === StevenK glares at MoM. | ||
| StevenK | Apparently Debian has offlineimap 4.0.13-0.1, but packages.d.o denies that. | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it's all in how you ask | 06:04 |
| bddebian | *sigh* | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: it has 4.0.14 | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | packages.qa.d.o is updated | 06:05 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: I recently did a merge for soundconverter. Is the revu version a merge? | 06:06 |
| TheMuso | Sorry, wrong one | 06:07 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: :-) | 06:07 |
| TheMuso | Damn speech | 06:07 |
| TheMuso | I had to check the spelling of that. | 06:07 |
| TheMuso | Different package. | 06:07 |
| bddebian | Aye, KDE | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | might as well blame KDE for everything | 06:08 |
| === ajmitch sees a few new REVU comments | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: you said for kvpnc that we already have 0.8.5.1-1 in the archive, but this appears to be a merge anyway | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | just one that has a couple of problems :) | 06:12 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Sorry, you lost me there? | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | bddebian@comcast.net wrote: | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | 06:13 | |
| ajmitch | Why did you downgrade the standards version? Ubuntu already has 0.8.5.1-1 in Edgy. | 06:13 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Debian does not have 4.0.14 | 06:14 |
| StevenK | However, it has 4.0.13-0.1 | 06:14 |
| crimsun | (I supposed 'have' in the context of being mirrored, etc., right. 4.0.14's on incoming.) | 06:16 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Yes. I am asking him why he downgraded the standards version from the package we have in Edgy on his merge? | 06:17 |
| bddebian | Damnit, looks like scourge is out for now :-( | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: because he did this for dapper | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | the last upload of it was done before dapper was released | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Ah, hmm | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | and he probably took the version from debian-policy in dapper | 06:18 |
| bddebian | I told ya I shouldn't be doing this stuff :-) | 06:19 |
| === ajmitch accepts no excuses | ||
| StevenK | steven@jaded:~% dpkg --compare-versions 4.0.13-0.1 gt 4.0.13ubuntu1 | 06:20 |
| StevenK | zsh: exit 1 dpkg --compare-versions 4.0.13-0.1 gt 4.0.13ubuntu1 | 06:20 |
| === StevenK sighs. | ||
| crimsun | yeah, I have that issue with apt-proxy, too | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: http://incoming.debian.org/offlineimap_4.0.14_i386.changes | 06:21 |
| StevenK | Ahhhh | 06:21 |
| StevenK | My problem evaporates. | 06:21 |
| nixternal | hey bddebian, with lyx i appologize for the stupid mistakes with the email addy | 06:25 |
| bddebian | nixternal: ?? | 06:26 |
| nixternal | on revu | 06:26 |
| nixternal | Newer version synced from Debian. Archiving this upload. Thank you! | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: checking jfbterm now | 06:28 |
| === StevenK thinks he did jfbterm at one stage. | ||
| ajmitch | StevenK: just another sync being requested | 06:28 |
| bddebian | nixternal: No worries :-) | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: you mustn't have uploaded | 06:30 |
| StevenK | Ah, no, it was fbiterm | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: confirmed | 06:31 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: thanks | 06:32 |
| === StevenK waits for offlineimap to make it way through incoming. | ||
| === StevenK wonders when dinstall runs. | ||
| === Hobbsee HAS BEATEN THE MATHS QUIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: good work | 06:35 |
| === Hobbsee CHEERS LIKE A MANIAC! | ||
| Hobbsee | that thing was seriously driving me *nuts* | 06:35 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Well done. | 06:36 |
| === ajmitch did work out what the TZ offset of incoming & when the dinstall run was at one point | ||
| ajmitch | makes me wish for ubuntu again, even with soyuz being slow | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:37 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: I'd say in ~12 hours or so, maybe about 14 judging by the last upload to incoming | 06:37 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: You guys talking about debian? | 06:37 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Oh yes, Soyuz is good. | 06:37 |
| === bddebian curses ajmitch for getting him started on these damn REVU packages :-) | ||
| ajmitch | oh yes | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | 01:31 < Keybuk> it could be worse, it could be designed by a launchpad developer | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | 01:31 < Keybuk> --force --force-harder --FORCE --FORCE-FORCE-FORCE | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | good alright | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | haha yeah, i saw that :P | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it's appreciated | 06:38 |
| === StevenK wonders about the context for that. | ||
| micahcowan | Would a MOTU be interested in looking at bug 45930, on the joystick package? | 06:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 45930 in glibc "jstest SEGFAULTs with usb joystick" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/45930 | 06:38 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Oh yeah, by whom? :-) | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: by me of course | 06:39 |
| micahcowan | It's a minor issue, but one that has annoyed some of us who would like to use jstest on USB gamepads. A debdiff is there. | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: discussing sudo, and then the fun of launchpad | 06:39 |
| StevenK | Ah | 06:39 |
| === ajmitch wonders why that bug is against glibc as well | ||
| micahcowan | It absolutely should nto be ajmitch: it's just that some people's errors refer to glibc... :-) | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | then I'll reject the glibc task | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | micahcowan: so is it sane to just not print any names if the number is out of range? | 06:41 |
| micahcowan | ajmitch, well, the number's not just out of range: they're all zeroes (and meaningless). But the way jstest works, it assumes the button name values are all over N, and uses (value)-N to get the index into an array of text names... | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | how annoying | 06:42 |
| micahcowan | it may well be that there /was/ a kernel issue as well, but that's no excuse for sloppy coding in jstest, I would think. | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | but is this just a workaround for that? | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | hm | 06:43 |
| micahcowan | Well, I'm not familiar with the kernel code, so I can't profess to know what jstest /should/ expect to get from the device... only what it does get, in the case of USB gamepads and the like. :/ | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | other crackful stuff in this package, like build-depends-on-build-essential build-depends | 06:44 |
| micahcowan | huh. | 06:44 |
| === StevenK twitches. | ||
| StevenK | I remember a DD who did that. | 06:44 |
| micahcowan | Yeah, and no patch system, so the debdiff I submitted was a direct change to the souce. | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: looks like it could be | 06:44 |
| micahcowan | It could be that more information from upstream would be in order, to ascertain whether my fix is more of a workaround than a true fix. | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | that's pretty special, having build-essential in there | 06:45 |
| micahcowan | (btw, thanks for having a look) | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | built fine, I'll upload - patch seems somewhat reasonable | 06:49 |
| micahcowan | thanks, ajmitch. :-) | 06:49 |
| ajmitch | close the bug with 'fix released' once it's in the archive | 06:49 |
| micahcowan | are you talking to me? I can't close bugs... :/ | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | you should be able to | 06:50 |
| TheMuso | micahcowan: You can. | 06:51 |
| micahcowan | Oh. Maybe I can, then. :) | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | click on the joystick (Ubuntu) task | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | you should be able to change status there | 06:51 |
| === TheMuso is glad that launchpad renders ok i elinks. | ||
| === TheMuso is not glad however that elinks doesn't always handle file uploads properly. | ||
| micahcowan | Yeah, I sorta just assumed I didn't have the ability. | 06:51 |
| TheMuso | IMO thats its only problem. | 06:51 |
| micahcowan | elinks', or launchpads? | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | micahcowan: you can change status but not importance | 06:52 |
| micahcowan | right... I agree with that thinking. :-) | 06:52 |
| micahcowan | though, as someone pointed out in motu-school the other day, it might be nice to be able to mark your own bug as "wishlist"... :-) | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | yes | 06:53 |
| === ajmitch can do that on gnome bugzilla | ||
| bddebian | Bah, I'm going to bed. Gnight folks | 06:55 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'll try to hit more REVU stuff tomorrow | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | delegation is a good thing :) | 06:56 |
| micahcowan | ajmitch: I installed literally the 1ubuntu2 version of joystick that I submitted a debdiff for... when it hits the archive, will I still get an update notification? | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | not really, since there's a delay between the upload, the source getting published, and binaries built+published | 06:58 |
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| micahcowan | Oh. How will I know when it hits the archive (and, to rephrase my earleir question, will I get an update when it's available, given that it's the same "version")? | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | you probably won't know, and you may get an update | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | source is accepted, at least | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | might as well just close the bug now | 07:03 |
| micahcowan | okay, done. thanks! | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | bye all | 07:18 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: yes? | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | siretart: ah, sorry | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | I mentioned your name earlier when talking about REVU | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | whether we need to show all the archived packages on the main page | 08:31 |
| siretart | ajmitch: this changed yesterday. I merged Toadstool's branch | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | right :) | 08:32 |
| siretart | :) | 08:32 |
| === ajmitch didn't see, sorry | ||
| siretart | no problem | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | what did he change? | 08:32 |
| === ajmitch updates his local copy | ||
| ajmitch | ok, that looks useful | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | bddebian went through & archived a number of old uploads today | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | the queue is looking slightly more manageable now | 08:34 |
| siretart | It would be cool if nuking would work recursivly | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | what do you mean? | 08:35 |
| siretart | currently, if you use the nuke link, it nukes exactly this upload | 08:36 |
| siretart | nuking all uploads regarding a packages would be helpful, I think | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | ah, I thought that it nuked all | 08:37 |
| siretart | nope. | 08:38 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I don't know if you've seen it already, revu now moved from /srv/revu1 to /srv/revu1-production, which is an bzr branch | 08:39 |
| siretart | ajmitch: this makes merging patches easier | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | yes I saw that there was a new directory there | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | do we still use scripts in /srv/revu1/scripts ? | 08:40 |
| siretart | better point them to /srv/revu1-production/scripts. I made /srv/revu1 a symlink, for transitional purposes | 08:43 |
| ajmitch | ok | 08:43 |
| === ajmitch just has things in the bash history :) | ||
| ajmitch | hopefully we get bzr & bzrtools 0.9 in edgy soon | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | it has a few nice improvements that would be nice to have | 08:47 |
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| Nafallo | like speed :-) | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | yep | 08:52 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 08:52 |
| Nafallo | so 1h30m until the train leaves... | 08:52 |
| === Nafallo starts pondering about what he should pack | ||
| Nafallo | I wonder what they used to put their hair in a tail in the medieval ages... | 08:53 |
| Nafallo | ? | 08:54 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| Nafallo | and beard for that matter ;-) | 08:54 |
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| Nafallo | hmm, so everything except the chainmail on, and it's already hot :-P | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | silly | 09:06 |
| ajmitch | how heavy will the chainmail be? | 09:07 |
| Nafallo | I'll go and look :-) | 09:09 |
| Nafallo | 4kg. so not much :-). | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | not so bad | 09:11 |
| Nafallo | but the steel will still be heated in the sun :-P | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | you'll be nice & toasty warm | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | how annoying, GL stuff is all broken on my laptop now | 09:13 |
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| Sp4rKy | hey | 10:26 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 11:11 |
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| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 11:12 |
| === Hobbsee tentatively tries to add a printer. | ||
| Hobbsee | and if i dont scan the right subnet, then i certainly wont find the printer! | 11:14 |
| === ajmitch is busy digging through mesa & X to try & solve a problem.. | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: are you running the latest & greatest X, mesa & i810 driver? | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i believe so, i think i got those updates earlier | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | when did the last update come thru? | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | can you run glxgears please? | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | mesa should be git version from about 2 days ago, i810 driver is 1.6.5-0ubuntu2 | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | xorg-server is 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu6 | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | iirc | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: nice....chuggy | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | yep, i've got them running | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | any bad flicker & tearing? | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | apart from the fact that it's like a frame every second and a half, nto that i can see. | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere I can see it? | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/zjHNR511.html | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | you just need to install libgl1-mesa-dri | 11:20 |
| === ajmitch has that package installed, but the driver is having trouble initialising | ||
| ajmitch | if you'd be so kind as to install that package & restart X, putting the log up again? :) | 11:20 |
| === ajmitch chuckles | ||
| ajmitch | someone filing an RC bug because a package has ~ in the version number | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | true, it's not in policy yet, but it's announced on d-d-a | 11:22 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/MyBPdK29.html | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | sorry to inconvenience you :) | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | (EE) AIGLX error: Calling driver entry point failed(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | great | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: it's okay. glxgears is still incredibly slow, too | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | same error as I get, so that's confirmation | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | now I have to track it down in the dri code | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: true. do make sure you enjoy that :P | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | just finished rebuilding mesa | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | if I can get some debugging output I'll be happy | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:31 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | hm, didn't manage to get any further output | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso :) | 11:32 |
| TheMuso | How was your afternoon? I assume you worked? | 11:32 |
| === ajmitch will just rebuild X again :) | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:35 |
| siretart | ok. recursive removals now work. at least foradmins with shell accesson tiver | 11:35 |
| siretart | tiber, even | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no, actually, i met up with StevenK, after finishing that maths quiz. | 11:36 |
| TheMuso | Ah right. | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | that was fun :) | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | siretart: great | 11:36 |
| TheMuso | heh right | 11:36 |
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| Sp4rKy | please | 11:53 |
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| Sp4rKy | if i want changes any file in debian/tmp/... , ihave to put command line just before dh_installdeb ? | 11:54 |
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| ajmitch | Sp4rKy: I wouldn't put it just before - it's common to put it in the install: target | 12:01 |
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| Sp4rKy | ajmitch, k | 12:04 |
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| TheMuso | Hey StevenK. | 12:05 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | can we have an op in #ubuntu? | 12:07 |
| siretart | Kamping_Kaiser: Seveas is not around? Hobbsee might do as well.. | 12:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | siretart, anyone, not picky ;) | 12:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ah, got nalioth | 12:08 |
| siretart | well, not me at last ;) | 12:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe | 12:08 |
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| Hobbsee | siretart: sorry, was afk | 12:37 |
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| Toadstool | heya everybody | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | hi Toadstool | 12:42 |
| Toadstool | hi Hobbsee | 12:42 |
| zakame | hello all | 12:46 |
| Toadstool | hey zakame | 12:46 |
| zakame | yo Toadstool :) | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | hi zakame | 12:47 |
| zakame | heya Hobbsee :) | 12:47 |
| zakame | ssup? | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: not a lot :) yourself? | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | looking at your stuff about ntfs-3g though, and thinking it looks good. | 12:48 |
| zakame | aside from SoC and ntfs-3g, just twiddling around with my desktop :) | 12:48 |
| zakame | decided to explore deploying web apps again :) | 12:48 |
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| Hobbsee | StevenK: what about it? | 12:49 |
| zakame | whoa? why, did you got Brain? | 12:49 |
| StevenK | It throws an exception and dies. | 12:49 |
| zakame | oh, I thought twas a classice dos virus :P | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 12:50 |
| Toadstool | heh | 12:50 |
| geser | hello | 12:54 |
| zakame | hi geser | 12:54 |
| geser | is it possible to get a package from debian experimental into ubuntu? | 12:54 |
| geser | gaim-encryption is needed in version 3.0beta5 to work with gaim 2.0beta3 (in edgy) | 12:55 |
| zakame | of course, provided the build-deps are sane | 12:55 |
| zakame | but I don't think we can vouch support forthat, since the reason why such software's in experimental is exactly for testing :/ | 12:56 |
| geser | nothing special: gaim, gtk and libnss/libnspr | 12:56 |
| geser | the version of gaim-encryption currently in edgy doesn't work with gaim from edgy | 12:57 |
| geser | it is for gaim 1.5 | 12:57 |
| zakame | indeed; just looked at exp's changelog | 12:59 |
| zakame | its in expereimental exactly because gaim2 hasn't entered unstable yet | 12:59 |
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| ajmitch | hi zakame | 01:04 |
| zakame | heya ajmitch ! how's things? | 01:05 |
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| ajmitch | good, just trying to track down a bug | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | anoyone know exactly how long it'll be before gisomount gets into the universe? | 01:10 |
| cbx33 | I'm just curious | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | cbx33: has it been uploaded? | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | ah, it has | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | and sitting in NEW | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | so, whenever the archive admins feel like accepting new packages | 01:14 |
| Hobbsee | which, seeing they did a whole lot of syncs yesterday/this morning, probably not for another while. | 01:15 |
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| geser | zakame: I rebuild the gaim-encryption package from debian-experimental and it builds and works on edgy | 01:19 |
| geser | should I file a bug requesting an update to the version from debian experimental? | 01:20 |
| zakame | perhaps its wise to try | 01:29 |
| cbx33 | ajmitch, wonderful | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | :( | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | it's been there for about a month now | 01:39 |
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| Hobbsee | oh for goodness sake.... | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 | 02:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 02:27 |
| === Hobbsee headdesks | ||
| Hobbsee | i wonder just how many bugs we have that are like that... | 02:27 |
| bmonty_away | heh | 02:27 |
| bmonty | that is somewhat humerous | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | true | 02:28 |
| bmonty | you that someday there will be a list of launchpad "joke" bugs | 02:28 |
| bmonty | in someone's blog | 02:28 |
| tseng | at UDU they all involved "the mask guy" | 02:29 |
| tseng | medicine mask | 02:29 |
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| chantra | Hi, is there a motu around | 02:32 |
| chantra | could you tell me if gaim-libnotify made its way up? | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | chantra: maybe if you tell us where it came from, and where it's going to. | 02:33 |
| bmonty | its not in launchpad | 02:34 |
| chantra | I uploaded it to revu | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | tseng: don't remind me of that one... | 02:35 |
| tseng | ajmitch: haha | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | chantra: if you go to revu.tauware.de you'll see it listed there | 02:36 |
| tseng | mdz added some kind of tag "medicine mask guy" so he could find it again | 02:36 |
| chantra | yep, but not updated | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | how long ago did you upload? | 02:36 |
| chantra | ajmitch: it is still august 3rd | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: heh | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | iirc siretart turned off the cronjob | 02:37 |
| chantra | hhhmmm 30 min ago | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | so revu uploads need processed manually | 02:37 |
| chantra | okie dokie | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | siretart: scripts/register_upload.py isn't executable | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | one among a few that probably should be | 02:41 |
| siretart | yes | 02:41 |
| siretart | I turned that cronjob of | 02:41 |
| siretart | because I wanted to process the next upload manuall | 02:42 |
| siretart | y | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | ok | 02:42 |
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| siretart | hm. nothing in ~/ftp/incoming? | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | I'll put one there :) | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | chantra: can you re-upload? | 02:42 |
| ajmitch | siretart: uploading libcm as a test | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | you can put that through manually | 02:43 |
| chantra | ajmitch: yep | 02:44 |
| chantra | should I dputs -P or simply dputs ? | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | dput -f | 02:45 |
| chantra | okie | 02:45 |
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| chantra | ajmitch: done | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | siretart: there you go, 2 uploads to play with | 02:46 |
| chantra | :) | 02:46 |
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| siretart | hm. just as I expected | 02:50 |
| siretart | bad permissions of the ftp server :/ | 02:50 |
| chantra | :s | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | siretart: what user are you running the process_uploads.sh as now? | 02:51 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I want to change it so it runs as user 'revu1' | 02:53 |
| siretart | ajmitch: but vsftp doesn't honor my umask settings :/ | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | everything still getting set to 0600? | 02:54 |
| siretart | yeah, I want it to be 0660 | 02:55 |
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| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon_. | 03:00 |
| imbrandon_ | heya TheMuso | 03:01 |
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| siretart | ok, now some more permission fixes.. | 03:06 |
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| chantra | siretart: do wa need to reupload it? | 03:08 |
| siretart | chantra: no, it has been acceppted | 03:09 |
| chantra | okie :) | 03:09 |
| siretart | FYI, I reactivated the cronjob | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | siretart: all sorted? | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | siretart: did you remove libcm? | 03:16 |
| siretart | ajmitch: feel free to hit me if there are still problems | 03:16 |
| siretart | ajmitch: not yet, do you want to? ;) | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | I don't think the register_upload.py is being run properly | 03:16 |
| zul_ | wohoo...free shot at siretart | 03:16 |
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| ajmitch | so uploads will get accepted but not show up for review | 03:17 |
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| ajmitch | chmod +x should fix it | 03:17 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: also, I'll write up a cron job in the next couple of days to clean up old binary uploads | 03:18 |
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| ajmitch | or some other queue cleaner | 03:18 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:19 |
| siretart | that would be cool | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | hi bddebian | 03:19 |
| siretart | huhu bddebian | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Hi ajmitch, siretart | 03:19 |
| siretart | ajmitch: oh? hmmm.. | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | it's often incomplete uploads rather than binary uploads that are the problem | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Hello Gloubiboulga | 03:19 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi bddebian | 03:19 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 03:20 |
| bddebian | Hi bmonty | 03:20 |
| ajmitch | siretart: done chmod on register_upload.py, I don't think anything else needs done - both libcm & gaim-libnotify need register_upload.py run on them though | 03:21 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: ah. I'll add chmods to process-incoming.py | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | new script? | 03:21 |
| siretart | err, /srv/revu1-production/scripts/process_uploads.sh that is | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | ok | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | I'll think about how to do a queue cleaner that can work reliably | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | for now, I need to sleep :) | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | night all | 03:22 |
| chantra | nighty | 03:22 |
| TheMuso | Night ajmitch | 03:23 |
| imbrandon_ | gnight ajmitch | 03:23 |
| bddebian | Gnight ajmitch | 03:24 |
| matid | ajmitch: Nigh | 03:27 |
| matid | t | 03:27 |
| TheMuso | Has anybody been bitten by bug #53892? | 03:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53892 in linux-kernel-headers "Please put linux/compiler.h back" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53892 | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Nah, I don't do anything so bugs don't affect me.. ;-) | 03:39 |
| Gloubiboulga | hehe | 03:40 |
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| Gloubiboulga | Someon here have had an issue with with file, and he patched the sources to remove the '#include <linux/compiler.h>' lines IIRC | 03:41 |
| imbrandon_ | quote : " (linux/compiler.h is just an empty file anyway), but I expect other packages might do the same. " ..... would it not be better then to fix the offending packages , rather than put back an empty file ? | 03:48 |
| Toadstool | hi Gloubiboulga, bddebian | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon_: But was it removed for a reason? | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | compiler.h that is. | 03:49 |
| imbrandon_ | TheMuso: probably becouse it was empty | 03:49 |
| imbrandon_ | heh | 03:49 |
| Toadstool | :) | 03:49 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon_: hmmm | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Hi Toadstool | 03:50 |
| Gloubiboulga | bien le bonjour Toadstool ;) | 03:51 |
| Toadstool | hehe | 03:51 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: cleaning up revu, eh? :) | 03:51 |
| imbrandon_ | poke BenC he does the kernel stuff , but i'm guessing it was just a cleanup of un-nessesary files ( read: empty ) and the packages that include it should be / should have been fixed anyhow instead of keeping old unused empty files ;) | 03:52 |
| imbrandon_ | TheMuso: ^^ | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Aye, trying :-) | 03:52 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon_: Yeah I know. | 03:52 |
| TheMuso | I saw what you wrote | 03:52 |
| TheMuso | Anyway, to bed with me. | 03:53 |
| TheMuso | Night folks. | 03:53 |
| imbrandon_ | gnight TheMuso ;) | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Gnight TheMuso | 03:53 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: I wish I worked as hard as you :) | 03:53 |
| Toadstool | g'night TheMuso | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Bah I don't do much significant unfortunately :-( | 03:53 |
| Toadstool | of course you do, every sync, merge you did helped a lot | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Thx | 03:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | hum, thunderbird just crashed... | 03:59 |
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| bddebian | Ugh, I have to go clean out my garage :-( | 04:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :( | 04:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | any good gear send my way | 04:15 |
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| bddebian | Sure, you want a girls bike, a wagon, what? ;-) | 04:15 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. a wheelbarrow would be good, help transport the pcs around ;) | 04:15 |
| bmonty | bddebian: what kind of wagon? | 04:16 |
| tseng | Radio Flyer | 04:22 |
| bmonty | tseng: do you have an inventroy of bddebian's garage? | 04:24 |
| tseng | yes | 04:24 |
| tseng | radio flyer on page 6 | 04:24 |
| bddebian | Heh, nah just a plastic Little Tykes one or whatever :-) | 04:27 |
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| bmonty | darn, my kid likes the radio flyer wagons | 04:27 |
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| chantra | hi | 04:53 |
| chantra | siretart: gaim-libnotify update still do not show on revu | 04:54 |
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| matid | Hi, what are the guidelines for bringing a new package from debian into the universe? | 05:04 |
| matid | Should I follow the syncing guides? | 05:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | matid, yes, you need to test if it builds fine in ubuntu, and then request a sync | 05:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | or merge it if some changes are needed | 05:07 |
| matid | Ok. If there is no need for changes I should left the release as it is (not ubuntu* suffix)? | 05:08 |
| Gloubiboulga | if there's no change needed just open a bug on LP, asking for a sync | 05:10 |
| bmonty | matid: what package are you working on? | 05:10 |
| matid | There is already a bug on LP, it's about how can I help to bring this package to ubuntu | 05:11 |
| bmonty | bug #? | 05:11 |
| matid | bug 56133 | 05:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56133 in Ubuntu "Can you please include slime" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56133 | 05:11 |
| matid | There are some licensing issues but it should be ok for multiverse | 05:11 |
| bmonty | this package already exists in debian | 05:12 |
| bmonty | ? | 05:12 |
| matid | Yes, it does. non-free section though | 05:12 |
| matid | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/slime | 05:12 |
| matid | I thought of uploading it to revu after testing if it build ok, but I'm not sure if that's the good way to go | 05:14 |
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| bmonty | matid: don't upload to revu | 05:14 |
| bmonty | have you built it in edgy yet? | 05:14 |
| matid | I'm in the middle of building it. | 05:15 |
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| bmonty | looks like slime needs cl-swank which is not in ubuntu, so you will need to test that one as well | 05:16 |
| bmonty | oops, nevermind | 05:16 |
| matid | By the way, I should use REVU only for new packages that aren't in Debian yet? | 05:16 |
| bmonty | should click on the source package :) | 05:16 |
| bmonty | matid: yes | 05:16 |
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| matid | bmonty: And the only way to help with syncing is actually testing if the package builds and works well and leaving the rest to MOTUs? | 05:18 |
| bmonty | matid: if you test it and it builds and there are no mods required, I'll do a quick test and then we can request the sync | 05:19 |
| matid | bmonty: Built, no problems so far. I'll try if it installs correctly and runs as it should. | 05:20 |
| chantra | raphink: are you here? | 05:22 |
| raphink | chantra: yep | 05:23 |
| chantra | top, earleir on i uploaded gaim-libnotify | 05:23 |
| chantra | siretart: told me it was accepted, but it still doen't show on revu | 05:23 |
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| raphink | chantra: let me see | 05:24 |
| chantra | cool, cheers | 05:24 |
| raphink | i don't see anything in the incoming queue chantra | 05:26 |
| raphink | so if it's not there, you have to upload it again | 05:26 |
| chantra | raphink: oki, doing it right away | 05:26 |
| chantra | raphink: done | 05:27 |
| raphink | ok | 05:27 |
| raphink | let's wait 3 minutes chantra | 05:27 |
| chantra | ok | 05:29 |
| matid | bmonty: Installs fine. Don't know about running though, I don't use emacs. | 05:30 |
| bmonty | matid: ok, it built fine for me also, please update the bug with your results | 05:30 |
| matid | bmonty: My results? What do you mean? Should I just state that it builds fine or sth else? | 05:31 |
| bmonty | matid: yes, that it built/installed, what architecture and distro you built under | 05:32 |
| matid | bmonty: Done | 05:35 |
| siretart | chantra: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2872 | 05:35 |
| siretart | chantra: so I assume everythings cool again? | 05:35 |
| siretart | raphink: ping | 05:35 |
| raphink | pong siretart | 05:36 |
| chantra | siretart: yes, now it is | 05:36 |
| chantra | but it wasn't 10 min ago | 05:36 |
| chantra | cheers guys | 05:37 |
| bmonty | matid: all set for a sync request | 05:38 |
| matid | bmonty: How can I track it? | 05:38 |
| bmonty | matid: what the bug...since you are subscribed you should get an email when the archive admins sync the package | 05:39 |
| bmonty | s/what/watch/ | 05:39 |
| matid | bmonty: I meant when it will be uploaded, but I guess tracking the bug itself is the better way to goo | 05:40 |
| matid | s/goo/go | 05:40 |
| matid | bmonty: And that's the way to help out with syncing? I'm supposed to check if the package builds and installs fine, leave a comment on the bug and wait? | 05:40 |
| bmonty | matid: sync requests usually take a couple of days...depends on when they get processed | 05:41 |
| matid | bmonty: Who processes them? MOTUs? | 05:42 |
| bmonty | matid: no, the archive admins...look at the team members for the actual people | 05:42 |
| bmonty | matid: I think you are refering to merging....requesting a sync is one outcome of that | 05:43 |
| matid | bmonty: Ok, and what's the procedure of merging? Let's say I took an updated package from Debian, applied the changes from previous ubuntu* release and want it to be merged. | 05:44 |
| matid | bmonty: The only thing I can to is to attach a debdiff and wait for a MOTU or whoever to upload it? | 05:45 |
| bmonty | matid: essentially yes | 05:45 |
| matid | bmonty: Ok, thanks for you help. | 05:47 |
| bmonty | np :) | 05:48 |
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| matid | Guess I'll stick with merging for a while. | 05:48 |
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| bmonty | matid: make sure that you subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to any merge bugs you open | 05:55 |
| matid | Ok. Merges are handled by ubuntu-universe-sponsors and motu team, not ubuntu-archive-admins, am I right? | 05:56 |
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| bmonty | matid: if we are uploading a merged package (with a -ubuntuX version) then the motus will handle it, syncs are handled by the archive admins | 05:57 |
| matid | bmonty: Ok, I got it | 05:57 |
| bmonty | Toadstool: ping | 06:00 |
| Toadstool | bmonty: pong | 06:09 |
| bmonty | Toadstool: on bug 56001, I think Scott wants you to specifically state that it is ok to drop the ubuntu changes | 06:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56001 in gnomebaker "[Edgy MoM] Please sync gnomebaker" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56001 | 06:09 |
| Toadstool | bmonty: hmm, ok | 06:10 |
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| Toadstool | done | 06:14 |
| bmonty | Toadstool: thanks | 06:15 |
| gnomefreak | i should have done that :( sorry | 06:18 |
| gnomefreak | is there any reason why xchat is in universe while xchat-gnome is in main? | 06:18 |
| siretart | gnomefreak: I think for xubuntu, but I'm not sure | 06:23 |
| gnomefreak | siretart: i commented and changed it to wish list to support xchat and xchat-gnome in same repo due to unwanted libs being installed if universe is not enabled | 06:26 |
| matid | Do you know any tool that will download a requested source package from debian? Sth like apt-get source, but I want it it run on my edgy install | 06:36 |
| bmonty | matid: http://merges.ubuntu.com/ get the grab-merge.sh script | 06:39 |
| bmonty | it will do that for packages on the merge list | 06:40 |
| matid | bmonty: Thanks | 06:41 |
| bddebian | Or use wget ;-) | 06:41 |
| matid | bddebian: Know this one ;) | 06:41 |
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| gnomefreak | that script rocks ;) | 06:44 |
| matid | No, that's too much. This script did all the job for me. That's cruel ;) | 06:48 |
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| Goshawk | hi | 06:59 |
| Goshawk | this question can be offtopic, but i think that most of you use pbuilder (pdebuild) to build packages. My question is: how can i preserve my build environment even if an error occurs and then clean it when i want? the --preserve-buildplace options cleans the environment on failure but i need that it remains (i'm doing this to see where is the fault), any help will be helpful, thanks... | 07:02 |
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| freeflying | how can I only mirror the dapper and edgy's archive? | 07:16 |
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| bmonty | hi LaserJock | 09:22 |
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| LaserJock | hi bmonty | 09:27 |
| micahcowan | In synaptic, as I click on "Mark all upgrades", it tells me "to be removed" are language-support-{ja,el,he}. Why? Is there a replacement for these packages? | 09:31 |
| bmonty | micahcowan: you should ask that in #ubuntu | 09:32 |
| micahcowan | yeah, but it's edgy, so I figured someone who's been working on recent developments might have a clue (it's just today). Thanks, anyway. | 09:33 |
| ash211 | and check my response to that q in #ubuntu+1 | 09:33 |
| bmonty | micahcowan: see the /topic | 09:33 |
| micahcowan | Yes, I see it: it's for MOTUs. I'm not looking for support: I'm looking for reasons. | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: last I checked language-support-* was Main ;-) | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | and I would check the changelogs to look for reasons | 09:36 |
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| imbrandon_ | and #ubuntu+1 is edgy | 09:43 |
| imbrandon_ | heya LaserJock | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | hi imbrandon_ | 09:43 |
| imbrandon_ | ssh -p 20022 192.168.1.5 | 09:44 |
| imbrandon_ | gah /me needs to wakeup | 09:44 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian!!! | 09:50 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | anybody know who kmilo is? | 09:51 |
| bddebian | Hi bmonty | 09:52 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Hmm, name sounds familiar | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | well, he added MOTU Enthusiast to our wiki pages | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | so now we have MOTU, MOTU Hopeful, and MOTU Enthusiast | 09:53 |
| imbrandon_ | heh whats the diffrence ? | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | well, MOTU Hopeful is supposed to be somebody who *wants* to become a MOTU | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | and MOTU Enthusiast is one who just wants to help out | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | or something to that effect | 09:55 |
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| imbrandon_ | lol | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | MOTU-holic ;-) | 09:55 |
| welshbyte | :) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | raging MOTU-holic ;-) | 09:55 |
| imbrandon_ | that would be you ;) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I was wondering if that change was discussed here or not | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | I'm looking at the log and haven't found anything yet | 09:56 |
| imbrandon_ | not hat i recall but i just got in today | 09:56 |
| imbrandon_ | brb , time to get somew food | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon_: the wife and I just ate at the Bonanza buffet | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | it's our 5th year anniversary so we went all out ;-) | 09:57 |
| imbrandon_ | ;) | 09:57 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | normally we go to Wendy's | 09:57 |
| imbrandon_ | and your on here ? shame on you heheh | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | "I don't care if it *is* our anniversy honey, I've got to get some MOTU work done" :-) | 09:58 |
| bddebian | hehe | 09:59 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I haven't seen/heard anything about it but hey, I'm nobody :-) | 10:00 |
| imbrandon_ | LaserJock: LOL | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | well, you are at least around | 10:00 |
| welshbyte | LaserJock: happy anniversary :) | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | I don't see any mention of it in the logs | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | my concern about the whole Enthusiast thing is that we have no mechanism for seperating that | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | perhaps Hopeful is not the right term | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | but we only have MOTUs and non-MOTUs | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-universe-contributors | 10:01 |
| bddebian | And us lackeys | 10:02 |
| imbrandon_ | do we realy NEED to seperate it, afaik its the hopefulls jobs to present his case ( with cheering ) if wanted to move to the next step(s) ..... | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | well, the idea is that there might be some people who want to help, but don't want to become MOTUs | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | which I can see | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | and so MOTU Hopeful gives the conotation that you are just doing your time until you can make MOTU | 10:03 |
| imbrandon_ | exactly so they would follow the same proceedures as a hopefull ( the hopefull then takes it one bit further by documenting ) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | right | 10:03 |
| imbrandon_ | no changes in proceedure to seperate their efferts , its upto THEM to seperate | 10:04 |
| imbrandon_ | IMHO | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | so I see where the idea of the MOTU Enthusiast would come from | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | but I don't think we have a basis for seperating that | 10:04 |
| imbrandon_ | right | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | the only difference between a MOTU Hopeful and a MOTU Enthusiast is one would apply for ubuntu-dev and the other wouldn't | 10:05 |
| imbrandon_ | yup | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | well, I hate reverting people's stuff on the wiki, but we need a massive MOTU wiki cleanup | 10:05 |
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| LaserJock | we have over 100 wiki pages marked CategoryMOTU | 10:06 |
| imbrandon_ | heh i know , i go and mop some up now and then | 10:07 |
| imbrandon_ | when i'm bored | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | ~ 30 pages are for MOTU Teams | 10:07 |
| imbrandon_ | MOTU Teams ? | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | some of the teams are more active/developed than others | 10:09 |
| imbrandon_ | beejesus theres alot | 10:10 |
| imbrandon_ | ok soda time | 10:10 |
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| imbrandon_ | brb LaserJock , i guess today might be a wiki day | 10:10 |
| imbrandon_ | bddebian: hahahaha | 10:10 |
| bmonty | bddebian: is your icon for the team going to be a picture of a whip? | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I thought that's what MOTU Science team was for ;-) | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | lol, I love this MOTU School request, "Dealing with hideously packaged packages" | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | "Tips from your worst experiences: beating '''really''' badly packaged sources into a deb" | 10:12 |
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| bddebian | bmonty: Aye | 10:18 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: You have azeem now, you don't need me anymore :'-( | 10:18 |
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| crimsun | bddebian has graduated to head lackey | 10:18 |
| bddebian | Not hardly | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | it's true | 10:19 |
| imbrandon_ | bmonty: a pillow icon ;) | 10:19 |
| bmonty | imbrandon_: if bddebianwas the only member :) | 10:20 |
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| imbrandon_ | fuel* | 10:21 |
| imbrandon_ | grr | 10:21 |
| bddebian | :-) | 10:21 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 10:36 |
| === ajmitch is up *far* too early | ||
| imbrandon_ | heya ajmitch | 10:36 |
| carthik | morning ajmitch | 10:36 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:40 |
| bddebian | Why is the year not on the date of uploads to REVU? | 10:41 |
| crimsun | well you know back in 1990 when REVU was first used... | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | because we didn't expect to have uploads older than a year when it was written? | 10:42 |
| bddebian | Heh, probably :-) | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | then get to work | 10:44 |
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| ajmitch | hm | 10:51 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'm still working on your damn REVU stuff even though I'm probably doing them all wrong | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | well... | 10:57 |
| bddebian | well what? | 10:58 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well what? | 11:01 |
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| phanatic | evening | 11:19 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic | 11:21 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian | 11:21 |
| bddebian | do be do be dooo | 11:31 |
| Toadstool | too much revu, he's cracking up :) | 11:32 |
| Toadstool | re | 11:33 |
| bddebian | Heh, heya Toadstool | 11:33 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Nope, I'm waiting for my scolding from ajmitch | 11:33 |
| Toadstool | uh? | 11:33 |
| Toadstool | what did you do? | 11:33 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Don't know yet, he hasn't told me :-) | 11:34 |
| Toadstool | heh | 11:34 |
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