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[06:01] <ag[1] > hi
[06:01] <ag[1] > can i get help?
[06:02] <ag[1] >  i'm trying to make hostname and hostname -f to be the same, so i edit /etc/hosts   (line 1) 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost (line 2) 192.168.2.110 ahazg.pc                  but it doesnt work when i type hostname i get ahazg and for hostname -f i get ahazg.pc    i want both to be ahazg.pc
[06:06] <infinity> You don't want that.
[06:06] <infinity> hostname is MEANT to be only the first part of the FQDN.
[06:06] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ hostname
[06:06] <infinity> cthulhu
[06:06] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ hostname -f
[06:06] <infinity> cthulhu.0c3.net
[06:11] <ag[1] > ok thanks
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[06:13] <ag[1] > infinity,  y wouldnt it be good
[06:14] <infinity> ag[1] : Let me reverse the question -- Why do you want it to violate spec and the expectation of every piece of UNIX software ever written?
[06:15] <ag[1] > sorry, i am kind of new to the world of unix
[06:16] <infinity> Anyhow, if you're insistent on breaking it, you can set a FQDN in /etc/hostname, which will set your hostname on boot to be what you want.
[06:16] <infinity> But I highly recommend looking at WHY you want it to do that, and figuring out how to avoid it. :)
[06:17] <ag[1] > im basically following this guide 
[06:17] <ag[1] > http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3
[06:17] <ag[1] > Now run
[06:17] <ag[1] > hostname
[06:17] <ag[1] > hostname -f
[06:17] <ag[1] > Both should show server1.example.com. 
[06:17] <ag[1] > thats from the site
[06:18] <infinity> Right, whoever wrote that shouldn't have. :)
[06:18] <infinity> They shouldn't have written most of it, to be honest.
[06:18] <infinity> Encouraging people to enable to root account isn't helpful either.
[06:19] <infinity> Or encouraging them to install random software they don't need.
[06:19] <infinity> This HOWTO's just filled with uselessness.
[06:19] <ag[1] > then how would you be able to perform commands like apt-get without root
[06:19] <infinity> It's more like this guy's notes on how HE likes to setup HIS machine, but it seems useless to post it publically for others to follow.
[06:20] <infinity> "sudo apt-get install foo"
[06:20] <infinity> Or if you want to become root for an extended period "sudo su -"
[06:20] <ag[1] > i just use "su"
[06:20] <ag[1] > is that the same thing
[06:21] <infinity> Yes, I know.  I read the HOWTO. :P
[06:21] <ag[1] > ok
[06:21] <infinity> Using "su" means that you've set a root password.
[06:21] <ag[1] > i shouldn't have done that?
[06:21] <infinity> Which means you now get to deal with making sure daemons don't allow root authentication and other such, making it easier for people to brute-force root.
[06:22] <infinity> It also means that you're far more likely to keep open a root shell and do silly things with it.
[06:22] <infinity> While doing "sudo random-command" every time you want to run something is a subtle reminder that you might be breaking the world.
[06:23] <ag[1] > any way to undo what i did
[06:23] <infinity> But, *shrug*... It's up to you.  We don't stop you from enabling root.  I just wish 3rd party documentation wouldn't TELL people to enable it as if you absolutely must do it.  Certainly not without first discussing the pros/cons.
[06:24] <ag[1] > i c ur point, its a security threat
[06:24] <infinity> "sudo passwd -d root" would delete root's password again.
[06:24] <infinity> Though that doesn't seem to return the shadow record to factory fresh.
[06:25] <infinity> Seems to do the trick anyway.
[06:25] <ag[1] > so r u implying that it would be better to do a reinstall of unbuntu server
[06:26] <infinity> Nah.  Though, if you're just learning and breaking things anyway, you'll probably end up taking some notes, and reinstalling again in a day or two to make sure you understand what you've learned. :)
[06:26] <infinity> I don't think there's a single OS I've ever installed "just once" the first time I did it.
[06:27] <ag[1] > that was what i was going to do
[06:28] <infinity> Also, word of advice.  If you don't want to drive people on technical IRC channels completely insane, try to avoid AOL/TXTisms like "i c ur point" and "r u implying"...
[06:28] <infinity> It doesn't take much longer to type the whole word out, and we will be less likely to want to gouge our eyes out.
[06:30] <ag[1] > ok
[06:32] <ag[1] > ok now instead of using su i would use sudo [command]  right
[06:32] <infinity> Right.
[06:33] <infinity> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo <-- Might be a good read.
[06:35] <ag[1] > Sudo is no different than gksu, right?
[06:35] <infinity> gksudo, even. :)
[06:35] <infinity> (gksu and gksudo are in the same package, mind you, but one behaves like su -- asking for the root password -- the other behaves like sudo, asking for your password and obeying /etc/sudoers)
[06:38] <ag[1] > I always use "gksu apt-get [command] " in Debain
[06:41] <ag[1] > linux is very hard
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