=== megabyte405 [n=megabyte@user-0cdvltn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:43] bersace: Nope. [01:43] bersace: And Gnome's svg rendering has issues at times with certain elements as far as I know. [01:43] :( [02:24] Trying to get the bloody SVG icons sorted out it tough enough... [02:24] Perhaps once we have a decent SVG renderer it is an option. === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h23n2fls33o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:09] Hmm [11:09] I need to figure out how to do cool light effects like here: http://www.ruudbaan.com/ (it's a flash site, choose "publ" and then "publ15", then the picture almost at the bottom) [11:10] That looks totally wallpaper-savvy [11:11] msikma, the one with the green glows? [11:12] Yeah [11:12] Fyre [11:12] Nah [11:12] From what I've seen, Fyre doesn't look nearly as cool as that [11:12] Besides, I don't really believe in auto-generated effects... [11:13] Maybe as a base for (lots) of manual editing, though [11:13] start in Fyre, for the lines, import to GIMP to add the glow, I guess [11:13] Fyre is a massive CPU hog... === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:34] troy_s: ping === PingunZ [n=kristof@149.133-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:49] hi I made a mockup for usplash :: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3279&cat=500 [11:49] its for a high resolution wich should be possible in the newest kernels [11:50] wow - was going to ask if the usplash could do that many colours :) [11:51] I think the boot text is going to disappear for Edgy so you don't really need to have a text area anymore, Madpilot may be right about the colors :) [11:51] no it will be possible from the kernel : 2.6.17.6 if I'm right ( the colors ) [11:51] the text can go ;) [11:51] I got it in layers so .. === bachler [i=rakahang@62.101.48.8] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:52] the background is just a picture I like [11:52] I see, it looks vibrant :) [11:53] what is vibrant ? [11:53] ( I'm not really good in englsih ;) ) [11:53] *english [11:57] Vibrant means that the colors are very lively, vivid - they are really saturated. Does that help? [11:57] yes ;) [11:57] OK, great :) [11:58] So .. I'm going to try to realize this usplash. Now where can I get advanced guide for making usplash' ? [11:59] The best page until now (for "older" usplashes) is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto [11:59] hmm [12:00] but is there any way I can move the text / dont display the text / use a progress bar with a different shape ? [12:01] Not in that tutorial, which is based on the old usplash code. [12:01] hmm [12:01] I haven't seen any good details on the new one yet, and it seems it's not yet in Edgy so it's also kind of hard to test. [12:01] I'll need to find another tutorial then [12:01] Scott (James Remnant) demoed the new code to me back in Paris, but that was more of a demo setup than the real Edgy code. [12:01] ok next question. I'm going to make an animated splash screen --> like xubuntu [12:01] any guides for that ? [12:02] Splash screen from the login manager? [12:02] yes [12:02] OK, I'll try to Google for it :) [12:02] thanks ;) [12:02] and is there any guide to make a good login screen, smart coded so it loads quickly [12:03] Wow, that's a lot of questions! [12:03] I know sorry, I'm going to make a whole team [12:03] myself -_- [12:03] never made a team before [12:03] No problem, you're welcome :) [12:03] *theme [12:03] lol [12:03] If there are any good tutorials on those subjects I think I'd have found them by now since we're interested in this stuff for the artwork team as well. [12:04] well if I find results I'll let you know [12:04] By the way, would you enjoy helping out with Edgy's artwork? You could join the mailing list if you have some spare time. [12:04] I tried that before [12:04] You did? [12:05] but .. you hget lots of mails and I didnt know what to do with them [12:05] yes [12:05] Hehe, I can imagine it's kind of confusing in the beginning. [12:05] Do you remember when you joined the list? [12:05] it really is [12:05] hmm [12:05] 6 months ago [12:05] So that was during the Dapper cycle? [12:05] I can easily find that out [12:05] yes [12:06] Can you explain a bit what confused you the most? The amount of mails, the subject, the lack of direction? [12:07] I'm asking since I'm now kind of the Artist in Chief for Ubuntu and as such I'm involved in coordinating the mailing list. [12:07] well, I got tonns of mails --> I didnt know where to start so I didnt read them [12:07] :s === PingunZ hides [12:07] So, the amount of mails was the main problem :) ? [12:08] yes [12:08] I also didnt know how to submit things .. [12:08] Submit things, as in send in artwork, or as in sending e-mails to the list? [12:08] send in artwork, icons, ... [12:09] btw, normally I dont create icons/etc on my own I just modify them [12:09] That's also important, trying variations on existing things. [12:10] well I'm kinda goods in that [12:10] but I only use photoshop .. [12:10] If you would like to give it another try for Edgy, I'd appreciate that. [12:10] cant work with gimp [12:10] well I would like, really [12:10] Photoshop is no problem if you're creating variations. [12:10] btw :: check out my desktop, http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3216&cat=2 [12:10] We've got a lot of talented people using Photoshop on the list. [12:10] thats what I'm basing the theme on I'm making [12:11] I'm not talented .. [12:11] I just know my way around in photoshop [12:11] That's good though! [12:11] and I have lots of ideas --> mockups .. [12:12] Shall I give you some links for information on how we are doing artwork for Edgy now so you can easily blend in on the mailing list? [12:12] yeah fine [12:12] OK, hang on - [12:12] but atm I dont use any of the standard artwork so .. [12:12] We'll try to change that :) [12:13] I could make a xgl theme for ubuntu --> I'm kinda good in xgl themes [12:13] brb [12:13] PingunZ: If you read through this page and it's links, you'll have a good idea of what process we're using for artwork in Edgy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan [12:14] There's a lot of info on there, but it gives a solid background for the mailing list. [12:14] ok [12:14] I'll be back in 5 mins [12:14] OK [12:17] b [12:20] hmmm [12:20] thats really a lot of text for me [12:20] ( non-english ) [12:21] btw fschoep, nl ? be ? [12:21] NL [12:21] das handig [12:21] pm ? lots easier for me in dutch [12:21] OK [01:37] "fschoep: I think the boot text is going to disappear for Edgy so you don't really need to have a text area anymore, Madpilot may be right about the colors :)" [01:37] I sure hope so! [01:38] What are the specs of that "new" usplash with higher resolution? [01:38] Also... I didn't know you were dutch. :) [01:38] Oh wait, he's gone [01:38] %$!@#$#!@ === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:50] Anyone here? === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] [03:01] So I've been experimenting with those light effects for some time and here's what I've come up with so far: http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/light-test.png [03:02] I think that it definitely holds potential [03:02] Not nearly as nice as in the photo, though. === PingunZ [n=kristof@149.133-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@149.133-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:08] Hi PingunZ [05:08] hi msikma [05:09] I just added myself to the artwork team on launchpad :) [05:09] do I have to do something else ? or is this enough ? [05:18] Hmm! [05:18] I'm not all that knowledgeable on the process actually. But I think there's a wikipage you might want to add yourself to as well [05:19] Have you signed up for the mailing list? [05:20] not yet [05:20] PinguinZ check the spec for the artwork plan. [05:20] You can see the scheduling breakdown. [05:20] Well, the mailing list is (in my opinion) where it's at. But that's because all projects I've contributed to thus far used mailing lists, I'm not sure about the others. === PingunZ is signing up for mailing list [05:22] Hey PingunZ, got any cool stuff to show us? [05:22] Are you a student or a professional? [05:22] hmm [05:22] student [05:22] 14 years old [05:22] I got my desktop wich is pretty cool ( imo ) [05:22] my tweaked slab menu [05:23] There are three primary routes to the artwork team. [05:23] Haha, cool. I think that makes you the youngest Ubuntu Artwork member. [05:23] my login screen .. [05:23] A) Wiki B) Launchpad C) Mailing ist. [05:23] Ok, I'll sign up for B and C [05:23] I hate wikis [05:24] msikma, you want screenies ? [05:24] I love Mediawiki, but I hate the one we're using. It seems so unorganized compared to Mediawiki. [05:24] Sure! [05:24] gimme a sex [05:24] *c [05:24] (Mediawiki is the software Wikipedia uses) [05:24] darn typo [05:24] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=37394 [05:24] no screenie of my login screen ( yet ) [05:25] dont say it sucks because its vista plz .. :p I like its look but prefer linux --> thats why I'm here ;) [05:25] Ah yeah, now that I remember it, you linked to those before. They look pretty neat. [05:25] ty [05:26] Heh, I haven't tried the Vista beta yet. I remember looking at earlier screenshots and not being very impressed, though. The general look of the windows is okay (despite the awful transparency and blur effects, which seems to be a because-we-can effect rather than something that's actually useful). But some of the things they did with Explorer just seemed awful to me. [05:26] If you want some info about any of them --> pm or ask me ;) [05:26] I might do that later. I'm doing some Photoshop things now. [05:27] I tried it, IT SUCKS, seriously I have a great computer --> 3/10 rated by vista [05:27] its so darn slow [05:28] brb [05:29] b [05:30] hmm [05:31] someone has a guide for a login window --> I made one but it loads to slow .. === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:31] hi bersace [05:31] hello all [05:31] Hi [05:31] just to say that would be nice to add Date: field in UbuntuSounds === PingunZ [n=kristof@149.133-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === cbx33 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:54] ping troy_s === cbx333 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:58] sorry bout that === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace is now known as bersace|diner === PingunZ just subcibed to mailing list === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:49] hi msikma === PovRayMan [n=prm@bb4win/styles/impulsivelazyelf] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:54] howdy all [09:56] hi PovRayMan [09:56] i made a wallpaper i would love to see put up on the official art or something heh [09:58] shom me [09:58] *show === PingunZ cant type anymore [09:58] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=30083 [09:58] i made it a while ago but i still have the povray source code to change stuff around [10:00] hmm [10:01] the background is just one color, the logo is to dark --> I dont really like the ' shadows ' in it [10:02] what do you suggest i do [10:02] gimme a sec [10:02] taking a close look at it ;) [10:03] i'm walking all around the house right now making dinner so i'll try to be around as much as possible so just list out stuff to change :) [10:03] ok ;) [10:03] We have an official route in place for that sort of thing. [10:04] Unfortunately, we have a small set of contributors so we are currently focused on the default art / design. [10:05] There are specifications available at Launchpad.net. [10:05] i was reading the wiki on my main computer but i had to shut it down in case the thunderstorm coming in tries to fry it [10:07] Laf. [10:07] Well good idea probably. [10:07] Start at the wiki, read through the stuff, and feel free to jump on board. [10:08] We are probably going to implement an official announcement policy for the mailing list quite soon, as the clutter that comes up is too much for the busier folks to maintain. [10:08] PovRayMan, I'l going to tell you in pm ;) [10:09] ok :) === bersace|diner is now known as bersace|shower === bersace|shower is now known as bersace === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:44] ok main computer back on and i'm joining the team === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:45] troy_s: ping? [10:45] Hey everyone [10:46] hello mr. frank schoep [10:46] Also I h didn't know you were Dutch, Frank! [10:46] i just joined the artwork team because i wanna help make ubuntu pretty :) [10:46] Whoa, good afternoon everyone :) [10:46] msikma: maybe the .nl domain was a giveaway ;) ? [10:46] my host is a secret ;) [10:46] I never check hostmasks :) [10:47] I'm in Rotterdam [10:47] PovRayMan: welcome on the team! [10:47] prm@bb4win/styles/impulsivelazyelf [10:47] thanks :) [10:47] So, you got any cool 3d renderings to show us, PovRayMan? [10:47] It is kind of quiet on the list right now, basically waiting to get the direction for the next phase completed and approved. [10:48] i was just showing off something i made a year ago in povray which i can modify to look good [10:48] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=30083 [10:48] Yeah man, give us a clue on what to do, fschoep! [10:48] PingunZ was giving me suggestions on how to make it look good [10:48] PovRayMan, I didnt really do anything [10:48] we're working on it, PingunZ :) [10:49] That is nice. Too bad I can't see it in full res in my browser. [10:49] hi fschoep ;) [10:49] Oh wait, I can [10:49] brb [10:49] Hey PingunZ nice to see you online right now [10:49] i rendered that at 4800x3600 and resized to 1600x1200 [10:50] i still have the 51mb bmp original [10:50] PovRayMan: maybe use PNG next time :) ? [10:50] (just kidding) [10:50] oh no no, povray for me outputs bmp by default [10:50] i use png when its right [10:51] i could set it to output png by default, but ehh i'm lazy like that :) [10:51] :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:51] ping fschoep [10:51] ping troy_s [10:52] fschoep, I singed up in the mailing list and on launchpad ;) [10:52] Great [10:52] Here is something new i've been conceptualizing [10:52] cbx33: I'm here [10:52] http://img.waffleimages.com/img/5d143f03830f15abb3b5ea488d6fa3dcbf336ab8/woodBoxes.jpg [10:52] excuse the poor wood textures [10:52] i'm building a jenga like stack tower [10:52] I'm not used to the u-art being so active like this so please forgive me if my reactions are kind of slow :) [10:53] haha ok, i have to admit i'm a bit of an irc nut, since 1996 or so [10:53] hehe fschoep, its cause of me I made #ubuntuforums active too -_- [10:54] msikma: if you are interested, can you take a peek at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Propose/Results [10:55] That is all rather nice stuff. [10:55] PingunZ: :) [10:55] msikma: the idea being it defines the direction for "Produce" [10:56] interesting, i'm reading that right now [10:56] I'm not entirely captured by all-out-gloss and matte and gloss so far, though. [10:56] msikma: it's incomplete / not detailed enough or do you not like the ideas presented? [10:57] I think that the artwork seen in there mostly lacks contrast. [10:57] Oh, it's nothing that can't be fixed [10:57] Of course, this is all just propose material, not polished material [10:57] indeed [10:57] The idea was to fix some overarching compositional ideas, textures and colors. [10:58] As for the lacking of contrast, I understand that this is required to accentuate the nature of the artwork, but in that case I would keep a very clear separation between background and foreground elements, and sharply distinguish between them. [10:58] I haven't seen that in any mock-up, which is too bad, but that doesn't matter at this point. [10:59] Lack of contrast - visually? Like emphasizing the shadow in Who's GDM example for instance? [11:00] No, in that sort of a situation, I would make the background much darker, since then the shadow (which is more a glow at this point) will help make the transition between background and foreground sharper. [11:00] OK, that's clear - basically the current "palettes" provide some dark and some light shades. [11:01] My idea is to share *source* material instead of PNGs so we can change anything if something doesn't work out too well. [11:01] i can post my povray code :) [11:03] PovRayMan: that's a good example, if you were contributing ideas it would be best to have the code so someone else can try some variations. [11:03] I think I'm gonna grab some food, I'll be right back :) === PingunZ [n=kristof@149.133-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:05] PingunZ: have you got experience doing GTK? [11:05] no [11:05] but I'm young so I can learn ;) [11:05] OK, the problem is basically we don't have any good resources on GTK2 theming and I know that both msikma and are interested in learning that as well :) [11:06] and (I) [11:06] Yeah. I mean, I'm making mock-ups like mad but what good is it if I can't implement it? [11:06] well, lets make a sick Human gtk theme then [11:06] I'm all for trying something, I've branched the code but haven't fiddled too much yet. [11:07] PingunZ: yeah! [11:07] If you have cool stuff to show regarding the Human GTK, I'd love to see it. I find it the coolest part of the artwork team's projects. [11:07] ok .. [11:07] it is, yes [11:07] msikma: got the wiki link handy? [11:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/PolishHumanGTKTheme/Incoming?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=michielgtk11.png <-- what I'm working on thus far. But I don't like the icons at the top-right anymore (I changed them around a little) [11:08] Yep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/PolishHumanGTKTheme/Incoming [11:08] I am also still unsure about the scroll bars. [11:08] msikma: OK, you beat me to it (the link) [11:08] It's okay, I live in Rotterdam, my IRC messages arrive at Freenode's server sooner. [11:09] is it hard to make a gtk theme ? [11:09] Well it sure is mighty confusing ;) [11:09] yeah [11:09] You can branch from Launchpad using Bazaar and then it gets confusing. [11:10] can I see some mockups for a gtk theme ? [11:10] I got the code, but it's not quite easy to spot where something's coming from. [11:10] PingunZ: see msikma's wiki links. [11:10] There are only two new ones there [11:10] I suggest you load up the original in your favorite editor and go nuts. [11:11] But mind your time, since you can easily forget about it once you're busy :) [11:11] hmm [11:11] :) good advice [11:11] are there apps like gcompizthemer for that ? [11:12] By the way, I was working on a little wallpaper idea earlier today. [11:12] I personally haven't found tools yet. [11:12] *soz for stupid questions * [11:12] I saw an amazing photo by a photographer named Ruud Baan who used exposure effects [11:12] I'd be mad for a good tool for GTK2 theming. [11:12] So I tried to emulate it: http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/light-test.png [11:12] It's a little preliminary, but certainly it has some potential. [11:14] It's got wavy lines and it looks like a nice effect indeed. [11:14] (off the get some more food) [11:14] Can you play Flash? His site is at http://www.ruudbaan.com/ [11:14] Choose "publ" and then "publ15" and then the second-bottom picture [11:15] The first one has it, too - yellowish? [11:16] Yeah, but I like the second-bottom one the best, with the cyan ones. [11:17] Indeed, the effect is more pronounced there. [11:39] Oh yeah [11:39] I was working on a new cursor theme at some point === bersace hate flash because you can't just sent a link [11:40] bersace: so true [11:41] There are ways around that if you are clever enough [11:41] But it seems most people are not [11:43] I also get the impression Flash site are horribly indexed under Google and friends. [11:43] sites* [11:48] They are [11:48] Google has friends? :) [11:50] Well - I meant Yahoo and Altavista, but they're not real friends I imagine. [11:51] Would any of you mind me going to bed? Urgent things to discuss? [11:53] I'm gonna go myself, too [11:53] OK, sleep well and see you tomorrow then :) [11:53] I think they'll be fine... for now :P [11:53] Yeah, see you [11:53] 'night [11:53] OK, bye!