[01:43] <troy_s> bersace:  Nope.
[01:43] <troy_s> bersace:  And Gnome's svg rendering has issues at times with certain elements as far as I know.
[01:43] <bersace> :(
[02:24] <troy_s> Trying to get the bloody SVG icons sorted out it tough enough...
[02:24] <troy_s> Perhaps once we have a decent SVG renderer it is an option.
[11:09] <msikma> Hmm
[11:09] <msikma> I need to figure out how to do cool light effects like here: http://www.ruudbaan.com/ (it's a flash site, choose "publ" and then "publ15", then the picture almost at the bottom)
[11:10] <msikma> That looks totally wallpaper-savvy
[11:11] <Madpilot> msikma, the one with the green glows?
[11:12] <msikma> Yeah
[11:12] <Madpilot> Fyre
[11:12] <msikma> Nah
[11:12] <msikma> From what I've seen, Fyre doesn't look nearly as cool as that
[11:12] <msikma> Besides, I don't really believe in auto-generated effects...
[11:13] <msikma> Maybe as a base for (lots) of manual editing, though
[11:13] <Madpilot> start in Fyre, for the lines, import to GIMP to add the glow, I guess
[11:13] <Madpilot> Fyre is a massive CPU hog...
[11:34] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[11:49] <PingunZ> hi I made a mockup for usplash :: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3279&cat=500
[11:49] <PingunZ> its for a high resolution wich should be possible in the newest kernels
[11:50] <Madpilot> wow - was going to ask if the usplash could do that many colours :)
[11:51] <fschoep> I think the boot text is going to disappear for Edgy so you don't really need to have a text area anymore, Madpilot may be right about the colors :)
[11:51] <PingunZ> no it will be possible from the kernel : 2.6.17.6 if I'm right ( the colors )
[11:51] <PingunZ> the text can go ;)
[11:51] <PingunZ> I got it in layers so ..
[11:52] <PingunZ> the background is just a picture I like
[11:52] <fschoep> I see, it looks vibrant :)
[11:53] <PingunZ> what is vibrant ?
[11:53] <PingunZ> ( I'm not really good in englsih ;) )
[11:53] <PingunZ> *english
[11:57] <fschoep> Vibrant means that the colors are very lively, vivid - they are really saturated. Does that help?
[11:57] <PingunZ> yes ;)
[11:57] <fschoep> OK, great :)
[11:58] <PingunZ> So .. I'm going to try to realize this usplash. Now where can I get advanced guide for making usplash' ?
[11:59] <fschoep> The best page until now (for "older" usplashes) is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:59] <PingunZ> hmm
[12:00] <PingunZ> but is there any way I can move the text / dont display the text / use a progress bar with a different shape ?
[12:01] <fschoep> Not in that tutorial, which is based on the old usplash code.
[12:01] <PingunZ> hmm
[12:01] <fschoep> I haven't seen any good details on the new one yet, and it seems it's not yet in Edgy so it's also kind of hard to test.
[12:01] <PingunZ> I'll need to find another tutorial then
[12:01] <fschoep> Scott (James Remnant) demoed the new code to me back in Paris, but that was more of a demo setup than the real Edgy code.
[12:01] <PingunZ> ok next question. I'm going to make an animated splash screen --> like xubuntu
[12:01] <PingunZ> any guides for that ?
[12:02] <fschoep> Splash screen from the login manager?
[12:02] <PingunZ> yes
[12:02] <fschoep> OK, I'll try to Google for it :)
[12:02] <PingunZ> thanks ;)
[12:02] <PingunZ> and is there any guide to make a good login screen, smart coded so it loads quickly
[12:03] <fschoep> Wow, that's a lot of questions!
[12:03] <PingunZ> I know sorry, I'm going to make a whole team
[12:03] <PingunZ> myself -_-
[12:03] <PingunZ> never made a team before
[12:03] <fschoep> No problem, you're welcome :)
[12:03] <PingunZ> *theme
[12:03] <PingunZ> lol
[12:03] <fschoep> If there are any good tutorials on those subjects I think I'd have found them by now since we're interested in this stuff for the artwork team as well.
[12:04] <PingunZ> well if I find results I'll let you know
[12:04] <fschoep> By the way, would you enjoy helping out with Edgy's artwork? You could join the mailing list if you have some spare time.
[12:04] <PingunZ> I tried that before
[12:04] <fschoep> You did?
[12:05] <PingunZ> but .. you hget lots of mails and I didnt know what to do with them
[12:05] <PingunZ> yes
[12:05] <fschoep> Hehe, I can imagine it's kind of confusing in the beginning.
[12:05] <fschoep> Do you remember when you joined the list?
[12:05] <PingunZ> it really is
[12:05] <PingunZ> hmm
[12:05] <PingunZ> 6 months ago
[12:05] <fschoep> So that was during the Dapper cycle?
[12:05] <PingunZ> I can easily find that out
[12:05] <PingunZ> yes
[12:06] <fschoep> Can you explain a bit what confused you the most? The amount of mails, the subject, the lack of direction?
[12:07] <fschoep> I'm asking since I'm now kind of the Artist in Chief for Ubuntu and as such I'm involved in coordinating the mailing list.
[12:07] <PingunZ> well, I got tonns of mails --> I didnt know where to start so I didnt read them
[12:07] <PingunZ> :s
[12:07] <fschoep> So, the amount of mails was the main problem :) ?
[12:08] <PingunZ> yes
[12:08] <PingunZ> I also didnt know how to submit things ..
[12:08] <fschoep> Submit things, as in send in artwork, or as in sending e-mails to the list?
[12:08] <PingunZ> send in artwork, icons, ...
[12:09] <PingunZ> btw, normally I dont create icons/etc on my own I just modify them
[12:09] <fschoep> That's also important, trying variations on existing things.
[12:10] <PingunZ> well I'm kinda goods in that
[12:10] <PingunZ> but I only use photoshop ..
[12:10] <fschoep> If you would like to give it another try for Edgy, I'd appreciate that.
[12:10] <PingunZ> cant work with gimp
[12:10] <PingunZ> well I would like, really
[12:10] <fschoep> Photoshop is no problem if you're creating variations.
[12:10] <PingunZ> btw :: check out my desktop, http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3216&cat=2
[12:10] <fschoep> We've got a lot of talented people using Photoshop on the list.
[12:10] <PingunZ> thats what I'm basing the theme on I'm making
[12:11] <PingunZ> I'm not talented ..
[12:11] <PingunZ> I just know my way around in photoshop
[12:11] <fschoep> That's good though!
[12:11] <PingunZ> and I have lots of ideas --> mockups ..
[12:12] <fschoep> Shall I give you some links for information on how we are doing artwork for Edgy now so you can easily blend in on the mailing list?
[12:12] <PingunZ> yeah fine
[12:12] <fschoep> OK, hang on -
[12:12] <PingunZ> but atm I dont use any of the standard artwork so ..
[12:12] <fschoep> We'll try to change that :)
[12:13] <PingunZ> I could make a xgl theme for ubuntu --> I'm kinda good in xgl themes
[12:13] <PingunZ> brb
[12:13] <fschoep> PingunZ: If you read through this page and it's links, you'll have a good idea of what process we're using for artwork in Edgy:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan
[12:14] <fschoep> There's a lot of info on there, but it gives a solid background for the mailing list.
[12:14] <PingunZ> ok
[12:14] <PingunZ> I'll be back in 5 mins
[12:14] <fschoep> OK
[12:17] <PingunZ> b
[12:20] <PingunZ> hmmm
[12:20] <PingunZ> thats really a lot of text for me
[12:20] <PingunZ> ( non-english )
[12:21] <PingunZ> btw fschoep, nl ? be ?
[12:21] <fschoep> NL
[12:21] <PingunZ> das handig
[12:21] <PingunZ> pm ? lots easier for me in dutch
[12:21] <fschoep> OK
[01:37] <msikma> "fschoep: I think the boot text is going to disappear for Edgy so you don't really need to have a text area anymore, Madpilot may be right about the colors :)"
[01:37] <msikma> I sure hope so!
[01:38] <msikma> What are the specs of that "new" usplash with higher resolution?
[01:38] <msikma> Also... I didn't know you were dutch. :)
[01:38] <msikma> Oh wait, he's gone
[01:38] <msikma> %$!@#$#!@
[02:50] <viper550> Anyone here?
[03:01] <msikma> So I've been experimenting with those light effects for some time and here's what I've come up with so far: http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/light-test.png
[03:02] <msikma> I think that it definitely holds potential
[03:02] <msikma> Not nearly as nice as in the photo, though.
[05:08] <msikma> Hi PingunZ
[05:08] <PingunZ> hi msikma
[05:09] <PingunZ> I just added myself to the artwork team on launchpad :)
[05:09] <PingunZ> do I have to do something else ? or is this enough ?
[05:18] <msikma> Hmm!
[05:18] <msikma> I'm not all that knowledgeable on the process actually. But I think there's a wikipage you might want to add yourself to as well
[05:19] <msikma> Have you signed up for the mailing list?
[05:20] <PingunZ> not yet
[05:20] <troy_s> PinguinZ check the spec for the artwork plan.
[05:20] <troy_s> You can see the scheduling breakdown.
[05:20] <msikma> Well, the mailing list is (in my opinion) where it's at. But that's because all projects I've contributed to thus far used mailing lists, I'm not sure about the others.
[05:22] <msikma> Hey PingunZ, got any cool stuff to show us?
[05:22] <msikma> Are you a student or a professional?
[05:22] <PingunZ> hmm
[05:22] <PingunZ> student
[05:22] <PingunZ> 14 years old
[05:22] <PingunZ> I got my desktop wich is pretty cool ( imo )
[05:22] <PingunZ> my tweaked slab menu
[05:23] <troy_s> There are three primary routes to the artwork team.
[05:23] <msikma> Haha, cool. I think that makes you the youngest Ubuntu Artwork member.
[05:23] <PingunZ> my login screen ..
[05:23] <troy_s> A) Wiki B) Launchpad C) Mailing ist.
[05:23] <PingunZ> Ok, I'll sign up for B and C
[05:23] <PingunZ> I hate wikis
[05:24] <PingunZ> msikma, you want screenies ?
[05:24] <msikma> I love Mediawiki, but I hate the one we're using. It seems so unorganized compared to Mediawiki.
[05:24] <msikma> Sure!
[05:24] <PingunZ> gimme a sex
[05:24] <PingunZ> *c
[05:24] <msikma> (Mediawiki is the software Wikipedia uses)
[05:24] <PingunZ> darn typo
[05:24] <PingunZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=37394
[05:24] <PingunZ> no screenie of my login screen ( yet )
[05:25] <PingunZ> dont say it sucks because its vista plz .. :p I like its look but prefer linux --> thats why I'm here ;)
[05:25] <msikma> Ah yeah, now that I remember it, you linked to those before. They look pretty neat.
[05:25] <PingunZ> ty
[05:26] <msikma> Heh, I haven't tried the Vista beta yet. I remember looking at earlier screenshots and not being very impressed, though. The general look of the windows is okay (despite the awful transparency and blur effects, which seems to be a because-we-can effect rather than something that's actually useful). But some of the things they did with Explorer just seemed awful to me.
[05:26] <PingunZ> If you want some info about any of them --> pm or ask me ;)
[05:26] <msikma> I might do that later. I'm doing some Photoshop things now.
[05:27] <PingunZ> I tried it, IT SUCKS, seriously I have a great computer --> 3/10 rated by vista
[05:27] <PingunZ> its so darn slow
[05:28] <PingunZ> brb
[05:29] <PingunZ> b
[05:30] <PingunZ> hmm
[05:31] <PingunZ> someone has a guide for a login window --> I made one but it loads to slow ..
[05:31] <PingunZ> hi bersace
[05:31] <bersace> hello all
[05:31] <msikma> Hi
[05:31] <bersace> just to say that would be nice to add Date: field in UbuntuSounds
[06:54] <cbx33> ping troy_s
[06:58] <cbx333> sorry bout that
[09:49] <PingunZ> hi msikma
[09:54] <PovRayMan> howdy all
[09:56] <PingunZ> hi PovRayMan
[09:56] <PovRayMan> i made a wallpaper i would love to see put up on the official art or something heh
[09:58] <PingunZ> shom me
[09:58] <PingunZ> *show
[09:58] <PovRayMan> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=30083
[09:58] <PovRayMan> i made it a while ago but i still have the povray source code to change stuff around
[10:00] <PingunZ> hmm
[10:01] <PingunZ> the background is just one color, the logo is to dark --> I dont really like the ' shadows ' in it
[10:02] <PovRayMan> what do you suggest i do
[10:02] <PingunZ> gimme a sec
[10:02] <PingunZ> taking a close look at it ;)
[10:03] <PovRayMan> i'm walking all around the house right now making dinner so i'll try to be around as much as possible so just list out stuff to change :)
[10:03] <PingunZ> ok ;)
[10:03] <troy_s> We have an official route in place for that sort of thing.
[10:04] <troy_s> Unfortunately, we have a small set of contributors so we are currently focused on the default art / design.
[10:05] <troy_s> There are specifications available at Launchpad.net.
[10:05] <PovRayMan> i was reading the wiki on my main computer but i had to shut it down in case the thunderstorm coming in tries to fry it
[10:07] <troy_s> Laf.
[10:07] <troy_s> Well good idea probably.
[10:07] <troy_s> Start at the wiki, read through the stuff, and feel free to jump on board.
[10:08] <troy_s> We are probably going to implement an official announcement policy for the mailing list quite soon, as the clutter that comes up is too much for the busier folks to maintain.
[10:08] <PingunZ> PovRayMan, I'l going to tell you in pm ;)
[10:09] <PovRayMan> ok :)
[10:44] <PovRayMan> ok main computer back on and i'm joining the team
[10:45] <fschoep> troy_s: ping?
[10:45] <msikma> Hey everyone
[10:46] <PovRayMan> hello mr. frank schoep
[10:46] <msikma> Also I h didn't know you were Dutch, Frank!
[10:46] <PovRayMan> i just joined the artwork team because i wanna help make ubuntu pretty :)
[10:46] <fschoep> Whoa, good afternoon everyone :)
[10:46] <fschoep> msikma: maybe the .nl domain was a giveaway ;) ?
[10:46] <PovRayMan> my host is a secret ;)
[10:46] <msikma> I never check hostmasks :)
[10:47] <msikma> I'm in Rotterdam
[10:47] <fschoep> PovRayMan: welcome on the team!
[10:47] <PovRayMan> prm@bb4win/styles/impulsivelazyelf
[10:47] <PovRayMan> thanks :)
[10:47] <msikma> So, you got any cool 3d renderings to show us, PovRayMan?
[10:47] <fschoep> It is kind of quiet on the list right now, basically waiting to get the direction for the next phase completed and approved.
[10:48] <PovRayMan> i was just showing off something i made a year ago in povray which i can modify to look good
[10:48] <PovRayMan> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=30083
[10:48] <msikma> Yeah man, give us a clue on what to do, fschoep!
[10:48] <PovRayMan> PingunZ was giving me suggestions on how to make it look good
[10:48] <PingunZ> PovRayMan, I didnt really do anything
[10:48] <PovRayMan> we're working on it, PingunZ  :)
[10:49] <msikma> That is nice. Too bad I can't see it in full res in my browser.
[10:49] <PingunZ> hi fschoep ;)
[10:49] <msikma> Oh wait, I can
[10:49] <PingunZ> brb
[10:49] <fschoep> Hey PingunZ nice to see you online right now
[10:49] <PovRayMan> i rendered that at 4800x3600 and resized to 1600x1200
[10:50] <PovRayMan> i still have the 51mb bmp original
[10:50] <fschoep> PovRayMan: maybe use PNG next time :) ?
[10:50] <fschoep> (just kidding)
[10:50] <PovRayMan> oh no no, povray for me outputs bmp by default
[10:50] <PovRayMan> i use png when its right
[10:51] <PovRayMan> i could set it to output png by default, but ehh i'm lazy like that :)
[10:51] <fschoep> :)
[10:51] <cbx33> ping fschoep
[10:51] <cbx33> ping troy_s
[10:52] <PingunZ> fschoep, I singed up in the mailing list and on launchpad ;)
[10:52] <fschoep> Great
[10:52] <PovRayMan> Here is something new i've been conceptualizing
[10:52] <fschoep> cbx33: I'm here
[10:52] <PovRayMan> http://img.waffleimages.com/img/5d143f03830f15abb3b5ea488d6fa3dcbf336ab8/woodBoxes.jpg
[10:52] <PovRayMan> excuse the poor wood textures
[10:52] <PovRayMan> i'm building a jenga like stack tower
[10:52] <fschoep> I'm not used to the u-art being so active like this so please forgive me if my reactions are kind of slow :)
[10:53] <PovRayMan> haha ok, i have to admit i'm a bit of an irc nut, since 1996 or so
[10:53] <PingunZ> hehe fschoep, its cause of me I made #ubuntuforums active too -_-
[10:54] <fschoep> msikma: if you are interested, can you take a peek at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Propose/Results
[10:55] <msikma> That is all rather nice stuff.
[10:55] <fschoep> PingunZ: :)
[10:55] <fschoep> msikma: the idea being it defines the direction for "Produce"
[10:56] <PovRayMan> interesting, i'm reading that right now
[10:56] <msikma> I'm not entirely captured by all-out-gloss and matte and gloss so far, though.
[10:56] <fschoep> msikma: it's incomplete / not detailed enough or do you not like the ideas presented?
[10:57] <msikma> I think that the artwork seen in there mostly lacks contrast.
[10:57] <msikma> Oh, it's nothing that can't be fixed
[10:57] <msikma> Of course, this is all just propose material, not polished material
[10:57] <fschoep> indeed
[10:57] <fschoep> The idea was to fix some overarching compositional ideas, textures and colors.
[10:58] <msikma> As for the lacking of contrast, I understand that this is required to accentuate the nature of the artwork, but in that case I would keep a very clear separation between background and foreground elements, and sharply distinguish between them.
[10:58] <msikma> I haven't seen that in any mock-up, which is too bad, but that doesn't matter at this point.
[10:59] <fschoep> Lack of contrast - visually? Like emphasizing the shadow in Who's GDM example for instance?
[11:00] <msikma> No, in that sort of a situation, I would make the background much darker, since then the shadow (which is more a glow at this point) will help make the transition between background and foreground sharper.
[11:00] <fschoep> OK, that's clear - basically the current "palettes" provide some dark and some light shades.
[11:01] <fschoep> My idea is to share *source* material instead of PNGs so we can change anything if something doesn't work out too well.
[11:01] <PovRayMan> i can post my povray code :)
[11:03] <fschoep> PovRayMan: that's a good example, if you were contributing ideas it would be best to have the code so someone else can try some variations.
[11:03] <fschoep> I think I'm gonna grab some food, I'll be right back :)
[11:05] <fschoep> PingunZ: have you got experience doing GTK?
[11:05] <PingunZ> no
[11:05] <PingunZ> but I'm young so I can learn ;)
[11:05] <fschoep> OK, the problem is basically we don't have any good resources on GTK2 theming and I know that both msikma  and are interested in learning that as well :)
[11:06] <fschoep> and (I)
[11:06] <msikma> Yeah. I mean, I'm making mock-ups like mad but what good is it if I can't implement it?
[11:06] <PingunZ> well, lets make a sick Human gtk theme then
[11:06] <fschoep> I'm all for trying something, I've branched the code but haven't fiddled too much yet.
[11:07] <msikma> PingunZ: yeah!
[11:07] <msikma> If you have cool stuff to show regarding the Human GTK, I'd love to see it. I find it the coolest part of the artwork team's projects.
[11:07] <PingunZ> ok ..
[11:07] <fschoep> it is, yes
[11:07] <fschoep> msikma: got the wiki link handy?
[11:07] <msikma> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/PolishHumanGTKTheme/Incoming?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=michielgtk11.png <-- what I'm working on thus far. But I don't like the icons at the top-right anymore (I changed them around a little)
[11:08] <msikma> Yep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/PolishHumanGTKTheme/Incoming
[11:08] <msikma> I am also still unsure about the scroll bars.
[11:08] <fschoep> msikma: OK, you beat me to it (the link)
[11:08] <msikma> It's okay, I live in Rotterdam, my IRC messages arrive at Freenode's server sooner.
[11:09] <PingunZ> is it hard to make a gtk theme ?
[11:09] <msikma> Well it sure is mighty confusing ;)
[11:09] <fschoep> yeah
[11:09] <fschoep> You can branch from Launchpad using Bazaar and then it gets confusing.
[11:10] <PingunZ> can I see some mockups for a gtk theme ?
[11:10] <fschoep> I got the code, but it's not quite easy to spot where something's coming from.
[11:10] <fschoep> PingunZ: see msikma's wiki links.
[11:10] <msikma> There are only two new ones there
[11:10] <msikma> I suggest you load up the original in your favorite editor and go nuts.
[11:11] <msikma> But mind your time, since you can easily forget about it once you're busy :)
[11:11] <PingunZ> hmm
[11:11] <fschoep> :) good advice
[11:11] <PingunZ> are there apps like gcompizthemer for that ?
[11:12] <msikma> By the way, I was working on a little wallpaper idea earlier today.
[11:12] <fschoep> I personally haven't found tools yet.
[11:12] <PingunZ> *soz for stupid questions *
[11:12] <msikma> I saw an amazing photo by a photographer named Ruud Baan who used exposure effects
[11:12] <fschoep> I'd be mad for a good tool for GTK2 theming.
[11:12] <msikma> So I tried to emulate it: http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/light-test.png
[11:12] <msikma> It's a little preliminary, but certainly it has some potential.
[11:14] <fschoep> It's got wavy lines and it looks like a nice effect indeed.
[11:14] <fschoep> (off the get some more food)
[11:14] <msikma> Can you play Flash? His site is at http://www.ruudbaan.com/
[11:14] <msikma> Choose "publ" and then "publ15" and then the second-bottom picture
[11:15] <fschoep> The first one has it, too - yellowish?
[11:16] <msikma> Yeah, but I like the second-bottom one the best, with the cyan ones.
[11:17] <fschoep> Indeed, the effect is more pronounced there.
[11:39] <msikma> Oh yeah
[11:39] <msikma> I was working on a new cursor theme at some point
[11:40] <fschoep> bersace: so true
[11:41] <msikma> There are ways around that if you are clever enough
[11:41] <msikma> But it seems most people are not
[11:43] <fschoep> I also get the impression Flash site are horribly indexed under Google and friends.
[11:43] <fschoep> sites*
[11:48] <msikma> They are
[11:48] <msikma> Google has friends? :)
[11:50] <fschoep> Well - I meant Yahoo and Altavista, but they're not real friends I imagine.
[11:51] <fschoep> Would any of you mind me going to bed? Urgent things to discuss?
[11:53] <msikma> I'm gonna go myself, too
[11:53] <fschoep> OK, sleep well and see you tomorrow then :)
[11:53] <msikma> I think they'll be fine... for now :P
[11:53] <msikma> Yeah, see you
[11:53] <PingunZ> 'night
[11:53] <fschoep> OK, bye!