[01:24] <BenC> Kamion: ping
[03:59] <Burgundavia> desrt: have you noticed dbus dying on resume from hiberate or suspend?
[03:59] <desrt> not here
[03:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:00] <Burgundavia> here are the symptoms: changes in power prefs not taking, networking via network manager not coming back and pressing the power button does nothing
[04:00] <Burgundavia> that sound like dbus?
[04:00] <desrt> no.
[04:00] <Burgundavia> what does it sound like?
[04:00] <desrt> i'm not sure
[04:00] <desrt> but if dbus was hoked you'd know for sure
[04:01] <desrt> since stuff would be dying outright
[04:02] <Burgundavia> right
[04:02] <Burgundavia> what should I file a bug on then?
[04:02] <Chipzz> I guess someone felt linux didn't feel enough like windows :P
[04:04] <Burgundavia> Chipzz: dbus not dealing with a restart is a long and lingering issue
[04:04] <Burgundavia> this is different
[04:04] <Chipzz> Burgundavia: I know ;)
[04:05] <Chipzz> just venting some mild irritations about dbus design :P
[04:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:17] <jdub>   * madwifi: Remove legacy and ng drivers. Replace with stock madwifi-ng 0.9.2
[05:17] <jdub>     driver.
[05:17] <jdub> ooh
[05:17] <tseng> jdub: i would read that
[05:17] <tseng> jdub: but i cant start evo
[05:17] <tseng> I'll be borrowing your mutt fingers now
[05:19] <jdub> ha ha
[06:29] <Mez> hmmm
[06:30] <Mez> nice to see backports got a mention recently in a UK linux magazine
[09:45] <sivang> morning
[09:46] <Burgundavia> morning sivang
[09:47] <sivang> Burgundavia: Hey Corey, how are you ?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:47] <Burgundavia> got the UWN out
[09:47] <sivang> yeah, I just read some parts of it, learning the Jono is the new community manager
[09:47] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[09:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:48] <sivang> Hobbsee: So you're a main uploader now ha?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> sivang: that depends.  what makes you say that?
[09:48] <crimsun> speaking of which, is the current wiki downtime expected?
[09:48] <sivang> Hobbsee: hmm, I thought i saw you were approved for main or something, but then again the last days have been blurry so I may be wrong.
[09:48] <sivang> hey crimsun 
[09:49] <crimsun> 'lo sivang 
[09:49] <Hobbsee> sivang: i went for it.  didnt get approved though
[09:49] <Burgundavia> crimsun: I have heard no such annoucement
[09:49] <sivang> Hobbsee: ah, well, probably you'll get it next time around.
[09:49] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: so it's just plain broken, I guess
[09:50] <Hobbsee> sivang: if i go for it next time round, maybe.
[09:50] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: given they would probably tell us, yes
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: the downtime is not all of london, however, only the wiki and the help wiki are down. The ubuntu website and the docteam svn are still up
[09:58] <imbrandon> LP looks to be up too, isnt that in the same DC
[09:58] <ajmitch> yes, it only seems to be the wiki
[11:13] <sivang> re
[11:58] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[02:24] <sabdfl> mjg59: is there a wiki page which describes the capabilities of the new usplash, which we can point the art folks t?
[02:32] <freeflying> how do we encrypted the passwd of user in livecd? DSA? SHA? thanks
[02:34] <siretart> whats the last known to working alternate install cd?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> siretart: 6.06.1 works
[02:43] <siretart> gnomefreak: I was asking for the last known working. I want to reinstall edgy
[02:43] <mdke> hehe
[02:43] <TheMuso> siretart: I used one on powerpc today that I synced on Thursday my time
[02:43] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:44] <siretart> TheMuso: hm. I tried the one from today, but it fails to load kernel modules
[02:44] <TheMuso> But don't know about what the CDs are like between now and then
[02:59] <Surak> BenC: ping
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Surak: it's the weekend, he's likely not here.
[03:00] <Surak> Hobbsee: That's why I tried to ping first :-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Surak: true that.
[03:02] <Surak> Do you know if is there a way I can pass a parameter to modprobe in isolinux? I mean, I want to blacklist a module using the live cd - but I don't want to create a custom live cd only for that.
[03:04] <Surak> There is a module which makes several machines to reboot when loaded, and it is enabled by default on ubuntu. I got a new set of machines, and every single one suffers from this issue.
[03:04] <gnomefreak> he was here yesterday 
[03:05] <Surak> gnomefreak: do you have an idea on how can I do that?
[03:05] <gnomefreak> Surak: no but ive seen it complained about 
[03:07] <Surak> there's a serious bug in intel_agp driver, and I'm trying to figure out what intel chipsets have this issue. It seems that every current one has this issue.
[03:09] <Surak> I had lockups using the i865, i910, i915 (several different 915 ones), i925, i945, i946, Q963 and P965 chipsets so far.
[03:10] <Surak> none of those can boot dapper nor edgy if there's a not-integrated videocard plugged in - which seems quite serious to me
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> Surak: try disabling the onboard in the bios
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> Linux tends to get awefully confused with more than one gpu/soundcard plugged in.
[03:13] <Surak> Hiddenwolf: that's not the case: take a look at bug #55104 and bug  #55298
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55104 in linux-source-2.6.15 "panic/lock/restart on dapper-amd64 if there's intel integrated video AND a nvidia card at the same time" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55104
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55298 in syslog-summary "Please sync syslog-summary 1.12-0.1 from debian sid" [Untriaged,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55298
[03:14] <Surak> ops, bug #55928
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55928 in xorg "wrong primary display selected in multihead setup (PCI bus enumeration order)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55928
[03:15] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:16] <Surak> HiddenWolf: there are several broken bioses which doesn't disable the hardware device even if it is set to - they seem only to turn the signal to the monitor off and that's it - the onboard device even keeps stealing ram from the main system
[03:20] <Surak> HiddenWolf: I spoke with MSI, and they recognize the bug - I'm still waiting the update for the three specific models I had access to. But intel desktop boards seems to suffer from the very same problem, and it's not easy to me to reach intel guys - as we don't make motherboards for them, we only sell their ones.
[03:20] <siretart> TheMuso: gnomefreak FYI: the daily from friday seems to work
[03:20] <gnomefreak> siretart: thank you
[03:23] <TheMuso> siretart: Thanks, but I no longer need one. :p. I tend to keep up to date with the dailys every few days anyway.
[03:46] <siretart> is partman-crypto supposed to work in ubuntu?
[04:22] <mike_zhang> hello everyone!
[04:22] <mike_zhang> who know howto setup a buildd daemon on ubuntu?
[04:22] <mike_zhang> thanks for help
[04:25] <mike_zhang> or someone can give me some information about it?
[04:28] <mike_zhang> my email address is mikezhang@hotmail.com, if someone want to help me send email to me. thank you verymuch
[04:42] <BenC> Surak: pong
[04:44] <Surak> I noticed that, regarding bug #55104, the issue comes up not only using nvidia, and not only using i865 chipsets. I saw the same intel_agp module locking up machines with different motherboards and different video cards.
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55104 in linux-source-2.6.15 "panic/lock/restart on dapper-amd64 if there's intel integrated video AND a nvidia card at the same time" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55104
[04:46] <Surak> Today I don't have access to a environment where I could modify the live CD to test the machine I have available now. (in this case, a Intel D945gcz board and a ati radeon x1300 - which restarts when loading intel_agp also)
[04:47] <Surak> Is there a way to pass an isolinux parameter which would make modprobe to blacklist intel_agp? 
[04:47] <bSON> hi
[04:48] <bSON> will metacity be shipped with with --enable-compositor some time?
[04:49] <Surak> oh, the above is for BenC, in case you are not looking to this window right now :-)
[04:56] <bSON> excuse me, my pc crashed...
[05:01] <BenC> Surak: ok
[05:05] <hunger> New kernel won't boot:-(
[05:06] <zul_> which one?
[05:06] <hunger> 2.6.17-6-686
[05:09] <BenC> hunger: did -5 boot?
[05:09] <Surak> BenC : this makes 1) the bug's description wrong (as is not nvidia-related), and 2) turns out this is critical, as it's not an isolated specific case.. Oh, and is not 2.6.15-related only, but also happens in 2.6.17. I can't change the bug's importance, as well as assign it to more than one product. Who are the one which could do this?
[05:09] <hunger> BenC: Yeap, that is the one I am using.
[05:09] <BenC> Surak: me, post this info to the bug, and I'll fix things up
[05:10] <BenC> hunger: remove the "quiet splash" kernel options and see if there's any output
[05:10] <Surak> thanks
[05:10] <hunger> BenC: Nope, it stops when loading hardware drivers.
[05:10] <hunger> BenC: No additional output this time:-(
[05:10] <BenC> hunger: that's why I said remove the "quiet splash" options :)
[05:11] <hunger> BenC: I do not have those enabled:-)
[05:11] <BenC> hunger: also, let it sit for up to 5 minutes to see if it does anything
[05:11] <BenC> hunger: ah, ok
[05:11] <hunger> BenC: That damn splash thing is too anoying and I want to see what goes wrong...
[05:12] <hunger> BenC: I'll write a bugreport and retest again.
[05:13] <mjg59> The splash thing is not started unless splash is specified
[05:13] <hunger> mjg59: That is why I removed "splash" from the kernel options line:-)
[05:15] <Surak> hunger: what's you motherboard/chipset/video card?
[05:18] <mjg59> Oh, I see
[05:19] <mjg59> Mad misinterpretation
[05:22] <hunger> BenC: You were right: It just gets stuck and continues after about 5 min.
[05:22] <hunger> Surak: I am on a thinkpad T43p. HW list is on the wiki.
[05:22] <BenC> hunger: that's a dupe of another bug...not sure why it started for you with -6 though
[05:23] <hunger> BenC: -5 works great... does break suspend once again, but that never worked reliably since breezy anyway:-(
[05:23] <BenC> hunger: add debug to the kernel command line to get initramfs-tools to output more stuff during boot
[05:24] <hunger> BenC: Last output before the stop is about IBM trackpoint. But I think that one is brought up properly and it stops only afterwards.
[05:24] <BenC> hunger: I just want to see what udev and friends arfe waiting for at the point of pause
[05:25] <BenC> hunger: email dmesg to bcollins@ubuntu.com too, so I can see where the pause is in there
[05:25] <bSON> is nobody able to answer my question? should i ask it somewhere else?
[05:25] <hunger> BenC: I am updating #56249 and will then reboot with debug afterwards.
[05:25] <BenC> bSON: what was your question?
[05:26] <bSON> if there are any attempts to package the metacity package built with --enable-compositor
[05:27] <BenC> bSON: doubt you'll get an answer for that one
[05:28] <bSON> who could i ask? the package maintainer?
[05:33] <Surak> bSon: probably
[05:34] <bSON> ok, thanks
[05:34] <hunger> BenC: debug did not really give any more output...
[05:36] <hunger> BenC: dmesg output is attached to #56249.
[06:10] <BenC> [17179762.700000]  EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[06:11] <BenC> hunger: you sure the delay wasn't caused by fsck or something?
[06:11] <BenC> hunger: the delay happens between the trackpad message and that message
[07:00] <jono> hey
[07:00] <zul_> hey jono 
[07:01] <jono> hey zul_
[07:09] <dsas> jono: Congrats
[07:26] <jono> dsas: thanks :)
[07:27] <zul> argh...hate lag
[08:39] <zul_> hey pitti 
[08:39] <pitti> mdz: ping
[08:39] <pitti> hi zul
[08:40] <pitti> mdz: can you please promote apport to main? with the new kernel, it 'just works', thus I'd like to get it into main and then ubuntu-desktop
[08:40] <pitti> mdz: after that, I'll write an announcement
[08:42] <mdz> pitti: ok
[08:44] <mdz> pitti: should be in the next publisher run, feel free to seed and update ubuntu-meta
[08:49] <pitti> mdz: great, thanks
[08:50] <pitti> mdz: yes, I'll do the seed changes tomorrow, when I'll have proper internet connection again (lousy modem ATM :( )
[08:57] <pitti> mdz: are you fine with bzr 0.9 in edgy? some people cried for it and the speed improvements are indeed quite impressive
[09:00] <mdz> pitti: yes, in fact I was talking with mark about it last week and I had assumed it was already there
[09:00] <mdz> pitti: we should definitely get it in
[09:00] <pitti> mdz: Debian has 0.9rc1, so it shouldn't be hard to update to 0.9
[09:00] <pitti> mdz: if I have the UVF blessing, I can do that tomorrow
[09:01] <pitti> mdz: BTW, seed changed for apport-gtk, but modem speed sucks for updating u-meta, I'll do that tomorrow
[09:02] <mdz> pitti: I'll do it if I'm around when the publisher run finishes
[09:02] <pitti> great
[09:02] <pitti> ok then, good night!
[09:29] <shaya> hmm, bug in nss w/ firefox prevents me from submitting bugs to launchpad!
[09:36] <gnomefreak> nss or css?
[09:37] <mdz> shaya: works fine here
[09:37] <shaya> nss
[09:37] <shaya> no https works for me
[09:37] <shaya> and evo dies on startup w/ an nss error since bon echo upgrade
[09:38] <shaya> reproted that bug before I restarted firefox :(
[09:38] <shaya> mdz: are you running bon echo?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> i am just not ubuntus version
[09:39] <shaya> gnomefreak: and most likely not installed in /usr
[09:40] <gnomefreak> nope ;)
[09:41] <mdz> shaya: of course (current edgy)
[09:41] <shaya> hmm
[09:42] <mdz> evolution dying is known and there is a workaround
[09:42] <mdz> bug 56118
[09:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56118 in evolution "Crashes on startup" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56118
[09:44] <shaya> hmm
[09:44] <shaya> did a dpkg-reconfigure firefox
[09:44] <shaya> and now it works
[09:44] <shaya> strnage
[09:48] <shaya> I see the workaround, works for me, just annoying
[09:48] <shaya> wonder if its related to the constant "bonobo-activation" dying errors I was getting
[09:48] <shaya> had to switch to kubuntu temporarily as it made it impossible to work
[10:53] <daschl> does anyone know what techonolgy ubuntu uses to show the "smart-battery"? it works out of the box since dapper.. ? HAL?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> daschl: very likely, but what is the issue
[10:56] <daschl> well i want to get it up and running on my gentoo box, so i have to tweak a bit more :) .. and the kernel itself does not support the smart battery afair
[10:56] <daschl> it would be glad to see a kernel patch or something like this.. messing around with HAL is not funny i suppose
[10:56] <Burgundavia> right, this might be the wrong channel for that
[10:57] <daschl> well i just want to know which technology and i thought the devs will know it
[10:57] <daschl> i dont want support how to get it up and running
[10:57] <daschl> because i didnt find any informations about the change in dapper
[11:00] <shaya> daschl: look at gnome-power-manager
[11:00] <shaya> see what it does
[11:01] <daschl> thanks, i will take a close look at it
[11:02] <shaya> specifically in 2.5.0 this was added
[11:02] <shaya>  - Enable all the experimental code, such as the info window and the graphs. The graphs have had some serious Cairo lovin' and look pretty slick now, and should display more accurate data that we were displaying before.
[11:02] <shaya> the "info" window is where I see the smart battery stuff
[11:05] <daschl> i see... gnome-power-manager uses HAL .. well but maybe it works out of the box on gentoo too
[11:05] <daschl> thanks for the support :)
[11:28] <shaya> mdz: the https bug I mentioned occurs when one instantiates firefox (bon echo) from thunderbird probably due to incompat libraries and environments
[11:33] <bastien> hello
[11:55] <daschl> hey