[01:43] <nixternal> im sittin' here lookin' at "About Kubuntu - Bon Echo Beta 1" window on Kubuntu Edgy Eft, and low and behold the default start page is all about Kubuntu Dapper ;)
[01:45] <Burgundavia> nixternal: sofixit
[01:46] <nixternal> oh i will ;)
[01:50] <nixternal> LaserJock: ping?
[01:50] <nixternal> you have 2 minutes to reply ;)
[01:50] <LaserJock> whatever
[01:50] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:50] <nixternal> wo0t
[01:50] <nixternal> give me a killer "feature" or "application" for Edubuntu...this is for the UWN
[01:51] <nixternal> pick one rather
[01:51] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:52] <nixternal> when you figure it out, just let me or Burgundavia know ;)
[01:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: as in an app installed in Edubuntu that everybody loves?
[01:53] <nixternal> sure
[01:53] <nixternal> and then, write up a blurb on the UWN for it ;)
[01:53] <nixternal> haha
[01:53] <nixternal> tricked ya
[01:53] <nixternal> brb
[01:53] <LaserJock> well, LTSP is always good
[01:53] <nixternal> food
[01:53] <LaserJock> and kalzium
[01:53] <nixternal> Dapper
[01:53] <LaserJock> and gcompris
[01:54] <Burgundavia> gcompris it is
[02:00] <LaserJock> hehe, why found the Swahili translation of community manager
[02:00] <LaserJock> s/why/who/
[02:01] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: what issue are you working on? 9?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> 9
[02:01] <Burgundavia> I almost done editing
[02:06] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you want me to do a little on the MOTU School when you are done?
[02:06] <Burgundavia> I am done, go nuts LaserJock
[02:07] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: ping me when you are done
[02:22] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ok, you might want to look over it
[02:23] <Burgundavia> will do
[02:41] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: does it look ok? not too long?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: looks good to me
[04:20] <Burgundavia> crimsun: you alive?
[04:20] <crimsun> hi.
[04:20] <Burgundavia> crimsun: can you proof https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue9
[04:20] <crimsun> (looking)
[04:20] <Burgundavia> cheers
[04:21] <Burgundavia> crimsun: oh, hold off just a sec
[04:27] <odin_is_a_hero> any tuto foe icecast for ubuntu?
[04:27] <Burgundavia> crimsun: ok, please continue
[04:27] <Burgundavia> odin_is_a_hero: sorry?
[04:28] <odin_is_a_hero> i need a tutorial for icecast for my server
[04:28] <odin_is_a_hero> internet is poor for this kind
[04:29] <Burgundavia> hmm, not that I have seen
[04:31] <odin_is_a_hero> :(
[04:43] <Burgundavia> crimsun: ping me when you are done
[04:44] <crimsun> I had to start over because someone saved while I was editing
[04:44] <crimsun> about 50% redone
[04:45] <Burgundavia> oh, right
[04:52] <crimsun> proofed.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> crimsun: cheers
[07:03] <Madpilot> Damn, those blog posts that robitalle linked to on sounder make my head hurt...
[07:04] <Madpilot> best comment: "He doesn't actually tell us what Canonical doesn't want us to know...he was probably too busy making himself sound like a raving lunatic. Could these things Canonical doesn't want us to know just be a figment of his noticably screwed up imagination?"
[07:06] <LaserJock> wow
[07:06] <LaserJock> who are they talking about?
[07:06] <Madpilot> well, the original blog post was mostly incoherant Ubuntu bashing
[07:07] <Madpilot> the "he" in that commenet refers to the author of the blog
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. whats that ? which threads that Madpilot ?
[07:07] <Madpilot> it's on the sounder ML, "blog post: " Ubuntu vs. Debian: What Canonical Doesn't Want You To Know " "
[07:08] <Madpilot> oh, and Burgundavia, that cartoon on your planet.u.c post is excellent ;)
[07:08] <Burgundavia> indeed
[07:09] <crimsun> heh, I've not ready any sounder posts
[07:09] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, there's two blog posts, the comment I posted is from the comments on the 2nd one
[07:09] <crimsun> read, even
[07:09] <Madpilot> First one: http://techanchor.blogspot.com/2006/08/stfu-ubuntu-users.html
[07:09] <Madpilot> 2nd one: http://techanchor.blogspot.com/2006/08/ubuntu-vs-debian-what-canonical-doesnt.html
[07:09] <crimsun> oh, I saw the former linked from linuxtoday
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. nice title on the first one. thats impartial
[07:10] <crimsun> well you know it's fun to antagonise the leader
[07:11] <Madpilot> it's pathetic
[07:11] <Madpilot> and just for the record, I think the Ubuntu posts that make it to the top on Digg are mostly useless too ;)
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.(s)he hammered both of them out in one day??
[07:12] <Madpilot> looks like
[08:19] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, looking forward to your flight on Tuesday? You fly out of Seattle, right?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> no, Victoria
[08:20] <Burgundavia> good thing, given how long the lineup at security i going to be
[08:20] <Madpilot> when's the flight?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> 5am-ish Tuesday
[08:22] <Madpilot> gah
[08:23] <Madpilot> so you're going to have to be at the airport at around 5am Monday to clear security, right?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[08:24] <Burgundavia> what is the breaking point? business travellers like myself will keep travelling, but what about the other 3/4 of the travellers?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> when will it reach the point that security is too burdensome?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> if I was a family, I wouldn't want to be travelling right now
[08:26] <Madpilot> travelling with small children + stupid security restrictions... smells like a non-starter to me
[08:38] <poningru> Burgundavia: anal probes
[08:38] <poningru> the point
[08:38] <poningru> err wrong channel
[08:41] <Madpilot> ...
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> another one for the qdb we dont have.
[10:19] <luzi> anyone else having troubles reaching http://wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> luzi, all ubuntu stuffs offline
[10:20] <luzi> jeez, what happened?
[10:20] <Burgundavia> life
[10:20] <Burgundavia> time
[10:20] <Burgundavia> the march of the universe
[10:20] <Madpilot> that's very deep, but also f'ing useless
[10:21] <Burgundavia> that is about anybody knowws
[10:24] <luzi> it's time to read a book then, i guess :o)
[10:25] <Madpilot> HHGttG :)
[10:26] <luzi> i've read that one!
[10:37] <dsas> for us the living? :)
[10:39] <luzi> yay, it's back!
[10:44] <mpt> luzi, yes, the Sunday sysadmin just turned up :-)
[10:44] <Burgundavia> mpt: who would that be?
[10:44] <Madpilot> with his pager going berzerk, I'm sure 
[10:46] <mpt> Spads
[10:46] <mpt> Drat, Burgundavia, there was something I wanted to ask you about but I've forgotten what it was
[10:47] <Burgundavia> mpt: I don't usually go anywhere. was with regards to GNOME or Ubuntu?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> documentation? the website? the help wiki?
[10:48] <mpt> Gnome, probably
[10:49] <mpt> or Ubuntu
[10:49] <mpt> gah, like that narrows it down at all
[10:49] <mpt> The marketing team, perhaps?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> which one?
[10:50] <mpt> It can't have been that important
[10:51] <crimsun> you'll remember when you stoop to adjust your shoelaces or something :)
[10:51] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:51] <Burgundavia> or right when you are rushing somewhere else and cannot write it down
[10:53] <mpt> iirc, you were talking about some team being dysfunctional, or something like that, and I was interested in more details but you'd gone 
[10:54] <Madpilot> aren't most teams dysfuntional to one degree or another? ;)
[10:54] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu marketing team being dysfunctional?
[10:58] <mpt> "At least give me points for trying, the truth is I'm a Debian User, so I'm biased, and also I'm not too bright." -- ouch
[10:59] <Madpilot> where is that gem from?
[11:00] <crimsun> initial guess is something related to one of those two zomgUbuntuConspiracyPONIES sounder dealies
[11:00] <mpt> Madpilot, from the link you pasted in here 171 minutes ago
[11:01] <Madpilot> ah, crimsun guesses right ;)
[11:01] <mpt> (I'm a slow reader. Also, I had breakfast.)
[11:15] <mdke_> mpt: hi
[11:16] <mdke_> nice weather we're having
[11:20] <mpt> mdke_!
[11:20] <mdke_> morning
[11:20] <mdke_> did you get my third attempt?
[11:20] <mpt> one moment...
[11:21] <mdke_> bad news, I'm afraid
[11:22] <mdke> mpt: I have to work today :/
[11:23] <mpt> ah
[11:23] <mdke> are you going to be around for a while?
[11:24] <mpt> mdke, we'll be here until Thursday morning
[11:24] <mpt> so maybe we can meet one evening
[11:24] <mdke> yeah, I'd like that
[11:25] <mpt> Don't know what we're doing Monday to Wednesday, so maybe tonight?
[11:26] <mdke> hmm, during the week would be likely better for me
[11:26] <Burgundavia> mpt: are you in england, you poor bastard?
[11:26] <mdke> plus other-Matthew will be pretty tired, right?
[11:27] <mpt> He's just turned up and he's surprisingly perky
[11:28] <mpt> Burgundavia, yes, hence the rain
[11:28] <Burgundavia> mpt: it does rain in NZ too
[11:28] <mpt> Shush!
[11:29] <Burgundavia> but I must admit, English rain is much more depressing than rain in any other country
[11:29] <mdke> it's nasty here atm. mpt, I don't think I will make tonight. Let me know how you get on Mon-Wed?
[11:29] <mpt> ok
[11:35] <Madpilot> wiki.u.c & help.u.c both still down, evidently...
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: not for me
[11:36] <mdke> works here too
[11:37] <Madpilot> not here... this house's net connection has been acting stupid lately, though
[11:38] <Burgundavia> mdke: working for me is a little more relevant to Madpilot
[11:38] <Burgundavia> being in the same city and on the same ISP and all
[11:38] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, has Shaw been fine for you, the last few days?
[11:38] <Burgundavia> I  have been having issues with loss of connections
[11:38] <Burgundavia> for 1 to 2 hours
[11:38] <Madpilot> I had no DNS two nights ago, IRC worked perfectly but no DNS access :|
[11:38] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:39] <Madpilot> night before that, I lost all connection for about 2hrs
[11:39] <Burgundavia> I was wondering if someone was dos-ing ubuntu.ca, but it seems to be more widespread tha] n that
[11:39] <Madpilot> when it runs, it's blazing fast, but it seems to fall over too much...
[11:40] <Burgundavia> just recently
[11:40] <Burgundavia> given I am running a server on the connection, I don't think I have a leg to stand on to complain
[11:40] <mdke> nice work on the newsletter
[11:41] <Burgundavia> thanks. Too bad jdub didn't see it that way
[11:41] <mdke> hmm?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> oh, he bitched at me about the jono section
[11:42] <Burgundavia> said it linked his leaving with jonos arrival
[11:42] <mdke> well, jono certainly isn't a replacement for him, it's a totally different role, that's right
[11:42] <mdke> still, quite right to have a section about the post
[11:42] <mdke> maybe you can remove the bit about Jeff
[11:42] <Burgundavia> he is the only person to have mentioned it to me, so I will put it down to one of jeff's little foibles
[11:43] <mdke> it's not the first time I've seen someone say that the CM is a replacement for jdub, so maybe he wants to stamp on that misunderstanding
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I didn't write it as such
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I was merely commenting on the arrival of one and the departure of another
[11:44] <crimsun> I almost edited that section out, actually, but I didn't know the original context, so I left it
[11:44] <Burgundavia> crimsun: you should have edited it
[11:44] <mdke> it does give that impression, but I see what you mean
[11:44] <mdke> also s/banager/manager :)
[11:45] <crimsun> b/m ? that's probably my typo (dvorak and all)
[11:45] <mdke> anyway, it's a small point, is a good newsletter
[11:45] <Burgundavia> of course, the really key question is: was my joke funny
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:46] <Madpilot> 'cat herder'?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:46] <mdke> Madpilot: your words, weren't they?
[11:46] <mdke> or mpt's
[11:47] <Madpilot> not directly, AFAIK
[11:47] <Madpilot> blame Burgundavia for the joke, anyway ;)
[11:47] <mdke> remember when the job was advertised, we were talking about it in here. Must have been mpt
[11:47] <Burgundavia> might have been
[11:48] <Burgundavia> I have used the term cat herder in the past and I know it is old
[11:48] <mdke> yeah, it's appropriate
[11:48] <Burgundavia> right. Jokes are supposed to be funny, not "appropriate"
[11:49] <Madpilot> I remember the chat in here about the job announcement, but can't remember who made the cat herding comment - might have been me
[11:49] <mdke> funny then
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you busy tomorrow?
[11:50] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, working 4-8 @ VFC, other than that, no
[11:50] <Burgundavia> can you upgrade ubuntucanada?
[11:51] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, to Dapper?
[11:51] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:51] <mdke> is it on a serverpronto server?
[11:51] <Burgundavia> I willb e around to fix anything locally
[11:51] <Burgundavia> mdke: no, it is in my basement
[11:51] <mdke> ah, fine
[11:51] <mdke> they don't boot with dapper :/
[11:51] <Burgundavia> oh, fun
[11:52] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sure, I'll do it sometime in the morning/early afternoon. Hopefully won't take long & won't screw up ;)
[11:52] <Burgundavia> the server is an old grey box that used to be my step mother's desktop
[11:52] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSoundsFull <-- unintentionally funny page name
[11:53] <Madpilot> it's a much happier grey box now that Win98 is no longer inflicted on it
[12:15] <Madpilot> mdke, do those new doc translations need covers for Lulu>
[12:15] <Madpilot> ?
[12:20] <Burgundavia> night all
[12:41] <mdke> Madpilot: there are a couple, I think.
[12:42] <Madpilot> mdke, OK, I'll do them in the next couple of days, and send you the URLs to the images
[12:42] <mdke> Madpilot: thanks a lot :)
[12:42] <Madpilot> np
[08:47] <mdke> lloydinho: did you mean to mail your meeting email just to me?
[08:55] <atom_> Where can I find documentation about preseed installation?
[09:15] <lloydinho> mdke: No. Sorry
[09:15] <lloydinho> I'll send it again to the list.
[09:17] <lloydinho> I see that a "Reply to List" function will be available in Thunderbird soon, that will be helpful.
[09:17] <lloydinho> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/114-thunderbird-+-reply-to-list-...-here-it-comes.html
[09:22] <mdke> rock
[09:41] <dsas> hmm, upstream mozilla has had that patch (and an extension I think) and just sat on it...
[09:51] <dsas> oh, targeted to thunderbird 3.0