[12:28] <poningru> http://techanchor.blogspot.com/2006/08/ubuntu-vs-debian-what-canonical-doesnt.html
[12:28] <johnlittle> read that last night
[12:29] <johnlittle> Theres a lot of silly backlash out there
[12:34] <poningru> hehe yeah
[12:36] <poningru> or the fact that this is exactly what linux needs to offer the 7 years mature mind of the 'consumer', a choclate covered spinach.
[12:56] <nixternal> what did i miss you guys?
[01:12] <johnlittle> nothing..all the actions on the ML :)
[01:28] <nixternal> ahh
[01:28] <nixternal> you leave that man alone ;)
[01:31] <johnlittle> I'm being quiet
[01:32] <johnlittle> installed 6.0.6.1 and did bios updates for smp..ive been busy
[01:32] <johnlittle> bios updates could be easier..
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ah, crap, we need to get UWN out today
[01:33] <Burgundavia> just remembered
[01:34] <nixternal> getting ready to work on it...it is all good ;)
[01:34] <nixternal> kontact tells me i have to work on it every saturday ;)
[01:34] <nixternal> we have a 12+ hour window Burgundavia, and i plan on spending the next few hours after i eat on it
[01:35] <nixternal> i am going to work local, so if you want to make edits, go for it
[01:35] <Burgundavia> ok, I am going to write a bit on dapper changes
[01:35] <nixternal> sweet
[01:35] <nixternal> i appreciate that
[01:35] <nixternal> i will cover edgy changes then
[01:36] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, what do you think of adding a screenshot or 2 for the UWN wiki page?  and then when we send it out to news-list we can just link to the images
[01:36] <nixternal> you know what..somebody said something to me about the layout as well..that they didn't like it..and i can't remember who it was, and what they didn't like..i will scour my log and see
[01:37] <Burgundavia> ok, sounds good
[01:44] <Burgundavia> nixternal: finished section on soc. Need a feature of the week
[01:46] <nixternal> i did a Kubuntu one last week, maybe an Edubuntu feature or a Xubuntu feature so we don't leave them out
[01:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, got any smart ideas?
[01:49] <nixternal> not for Xubuntu i don't...Edubuntu has so much stuff to choose from
[01:50] <nixternal> you know what..is laser around?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15476 <-- giant howling conspiracy theory
[01:52] <nixternal> omg i hate that guy
[01:52] <nixternal> food time
[01:53] <poningru> Burgundavia: hehe too slow
[01:53] <poningru> posted that in marketing like half an hour ago
[01:53] <poningru> err this is marketing...
[01:54] <nixternal> rofl
[01:54] <nixternal> poningru: we weren't around
[01:54] <nixternal> ok, food for real this time
[01:55] <poningru> hehe cya
[02:05] <poningru> uwn?
[02:05] <nixternal>  Anonymous said...
[02:05] <nixternal>     I like the shiny design, I like the community forums, but most of all I like the fact my grandmother can install it.
[02:05] <Burgundavia> ubuntu weekly news
[02:05] <nixternal> pwnd
[02:05] <poningru> ah
[02:05] <Burgundavia> that is great quote
[02:05] <Burgundavia> we should lead with that this week
[02:06] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, it would be great to link that in the "Press" section, and then with that quote below it ;)
[02:06] <Burgundavia> I want to lead with it, dammit
[02:06] <nixternal> however, i am sure someone will complain because that "wasn't professional"
[02:06] <nixternal> haha
[02:06] <nixternal> do it
[02:06] <nixternal> we run the UWN, we can do what we want ;)
[02:07] <nixternal> now if we could get some of the people in #ubuntu-marketing to get off their lazyboys, and get back on the computer and start helpin' ;)
[02:07] <nixternal> heh, poningru, there you go ;)
[02:07] <Burgundavia> poningru: currently laserjock is adding his section on the MOTU school, then I am going to be adding that quote
[02:07] <nixternal> im gonna go eat my dijorno
[02:07] <nixternal> b4rb
[02:07] <Burgundavia> poningru: if you wouldn't mind proofing it, that would be great
[02:08] <poningru> yep
[02:08] <poningru> just let me know
[02:09] <Burgundavia> I hoping to get people to have regular "beats"
[02:09] <Burgundavia> newspaper like
[02:09] <poningru> ooh /me could cover mozilla
[02:10] <Burgundavia> mozilla?
[02:10] <poningru> yeah mofo
[02:10] <poningru> the foundation/corp
[02:10] <Burgundavia> not really ubuntu specific
[02:11] <poningru> yeah...
[02:11] <poningru> what did you have in mind?
[02:11] <Burgundavia> something ubuntu specific
[02:11] <poningru> like what kinda fields?
[02:11] <Burgundavia> if it happened in the ubuntu community, we want to hear about it
[02:11] <poningru> ah gotcha
[02:24] <Burgundavia> poningru: can you proofread now poningru?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue9
[02:26] <poningru> quick question shouldnt we have a wink or a sarcasm tag for the jokosher app comment
[02:26] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:26] <Burgundavia> feel free to make any edits you want
[02:28] <poningru> but which one? wink seems not so 'professional' but then again this is a community paper... guide me por favor
[02:29] <Burgundavia> wink works
[02:29] <Burgundavia> you will not be the last person to proof it
[02:31] <poningru> cool
[02:37] <poningru> everything looks good
[02:42] <Burgundavia> poningru: what is your real name?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> should we officially make this a marketing team project and not a documentation team one?
[02:44] <poningru> hmm
[02:44] <Burgundavia> hey mdke
[02:44] <Burgundavia> mdke_: rather
[02:44] <poningru> hehe
[02:50] <nixternal> ok, Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter == The Communities "Week in Review"...that way there everything the devs have done, the doc team has done, marketing team, or any other team has done since last saturday, goes into the UWN ;)
[02:51] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I just need to add bug stats. Anything else?
[02:51] <nixternal> i cheat bug stats...i just grab the list on the left hand side of /+bugs on lp
[02:51] <nixternal> copy and paste, remove the "assigned to me" and wallah
[02:52] <nixternal> you did the whole UWN already?
[02:52] <Burgundavia> I think we are pretty much done
[02:52] <nixternal> did you cover the Kubuntu Meeting?
[02:53] <nixternal> "This is the first of what is likely to be several security and updates rollups"
[02:53] <nixternal> that is from the 6.06 point release section
[02:54] <Burgundavia> we need add teh various upcoming meetings
[02:54] <Burgundavia> you want to do that?
[02:55] <nixternal> i can sure
[02:55] <nixternal> we need to add this weeks meetings as well
[02:56] <Burgundavia> should we mention the Ubuntu counter project?
[02:58] <poningru> well there is uv or something
[02:58] <Burgundavia> uv?
[03:00] <poningru> ubuntu video
[03:00] <poningru> and there is also ubuntux
[03:00] <poningru> .org
[03:00] <poningru> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[03:00] <Burgundavia> random pages are nice, but why should I mention them?
[03:00] <Burgundavia> uv and the counter I guess we shoudl mention
[03:00] <poningru> well the counter project...
[03:01] <poningru> I was just throwing couple of community sites around
[03:01] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:01] <poningru> err attempting community sites
[03:03] <Burgundavia> are you editing currently?
[03:03] <Burgundavia> we need to do this via some collaborative method next time
[03:05] <poningru> oh no stopped editing a while ago
[03:05] <Burgundavia> ok, I will add the community websites
[03:09] <Burgundavia> who runs the counter again?
[03:12] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i think this current layout could be posted on the fridge and the fridge only almost...it is so precise and much smaller now
[03:12] <nixternal> you know a good place to post the UWN to, is like a blog, and have it goto the different planet.*
[03:13] <nixternal> then everyone would read the damn thing ;)
[03:13] <Burgundavia> it is key it goes to the mailng list
[03:13] <Burgundavia> it will not get picked up by lwn otherwsie
[03:13] <nixternal> of course
[03:13] <Burgundavia> having a weekly news seperate from teh fridge is a good thing
[03:14] <Burgundavia> regardless, are we ready for a final proof?
[03:14] <poningru> Burgundavia: elkubuntu iirc
[03:14] <poningru> hold on let me ask
[03:15] <Burgundavia> poningru: I got it
[03:15] <poningru> ok cool
[03:15] <rjian> Hello Burgundavia can u help me about Gp keys?
[03:15] <nixternal> gpg?
[03:16] <Burgundavia> rjian: sure, but right now I need to get uwn out
[03:16] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:17] <rjian> actually is just the validation ive already receive the email about the key confirmation what will i do next?
[03:18] <poningru> anyreason for not taking this to #ubuntu?
[03:18] <poningru> rjian: I can help you out
[03:18] <rjian> poningru: wat will i do next?
[03:18] <poningru> ->#ubuntu
[03:18] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ok, what next?
[03:19] <nixternal> im readin' ;)
[03:20] <nixternal> oh
[03:20] <nixternal> are you going to ToC the top?
[03:20] <Burgundavia> yep, once we finish
[03:21] <nixternal> how about a "members" section where people who made some type of membership this week could be noticed, like MOTU's, Dev's, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu/Xubuntu memberships and what not?
[03:21] <nixternal> maybe in future releases
[03:21] <Burgundavia> yep, add that to the "future ideas" page
[03:21] <nixternal> good idea ;)
[03:21] <Burgundavia> create a 10 and note it there
[03:22] <nixternal> there isn't a way really in moinmoin to make a quote stand out, like <blockquote">
[03:22] <nixternal> actually doesn't matter, since the UWN is designed for email anyways..never mind that one...belay my last
[03:22] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:23] <nixternal> there is an Upcoming NUN Class this week, that we could mention
[03:23] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[03:24] <nixternal> should i put it after the feature of the week?
[03:24] <nixternal> actually, let me find out what is up with that...they have been contemplating everything this week
[03:27] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i am in edit mode for 2 minutes
[03:27] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[03:27] <nixternal> should i put the NUN class at the end, or is there some place better for it
[03:33] <Burgundavia> with the other education stuff
[03:33] <nixternal> ya, exactly where i put it
[03:33] <nixternal> one more second
[03:33] <nixternal> not yet
[03:34] <poningru> k
[03:37] <nixternal> it is saving
[03:37] <nixternal> i added a ToC at the top
[03:37] <nixternal> ok done
[03:37] <nixternal> ;)
[03:37] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, you want me to add the upcoming meetings?
[03:38] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:38] <nixternal> k, doing it now, so i have it open
[03:41] <poningru> let me know when you are done couple of things need to be fixed, quotes etc.
[03:46] <poningru> nixternal
[03:46] <nixternal> ya
[03:46] <nixternal> working on bug day info right now
[03:46] <nixternal> trying to see if it is every week, or every other week
[03:49] <nixternal> ok poningru, i am done
[03:49] <nixternal> work your magic
[03:49] <poningru> k
[03:51] <poningru> how do I <br> in wiki?
[03:53] <Burgundavia> [[br] ] 
[03:53] <Burgundavia> remember it is going out as text
[04:01] <poningru> oh nm then
[04:04] <poningru> guys I finished half way through
[04:04] <poningru> look through mine and see if they sound ok from a can,uk,aus prespective
[04:08] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BR
[04:08] <nixternal> arg
[04:09] <nixternal> nm that
[04:09] <nixternal> i tried [[ BR ] ] 
[04:09] <nixternal> but i have an alias
[04:09] <nixternal> setup
[04:09] <nixternal> use capitals poningru, or it won't work
[04:09] <nixternal> for the break
[04:09] <poningru> oh I didnt use it
[04:09] <nixternal> ok
[04:10] <poningru> but read through the first half
[04:10] <poningru> see if it sounds ok from nonUS perspective
[04:14] <nixternal> i am from Chicago, so my language is totally different from eveyrone elses ;)
[04:19] <Burgundavia> nixternal: poningru: are you both still editing?
[04:19] <nixternal> im done
[04:19] <nixternal> poningru had it last
[04:19] <Burgundavia> I think I am going to have one last look thorugh it and then send to ubuntu-news
[04:19] <nixternal> let crimsun look it over...he is a good proofer
[04:20] <nixternal> once it is ready, i will get it on the fridge
[04:20] <Burgundavia> and I will get in on -news, cause I want the credit this week ;)
[04:21] <poningru> yeah /me is still editing
[04:26] <poningru> ok done
[04:27] <poningru> bbl /me has to go eat
[04:39] <poningru> Burgundavia: did you catch that?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> poningru: that you are eating? yes
[04:44] <poningru> rofl
[04:44] <poningru> Burgundavia: I thought this had to go out today
[04:44] <Burgundavia> poningru: it does. crimsun is doing a quick check and then I am going to send it
[04:45] <poningru> sweet
[04:50] <poningru> Burgundavia: one quick thing make sure screenshot is changed to plural
[04:51] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:54] <nixternal> heh, someone sent me an email telling me i need to get an advogato account...so i check it out..and...well i am going to leave that alone
[05:02] <Burgundavia> nixternal: did you use raw view and send the email of that?
[05:02] <nixternal> yes
[05:04] <poningru> hehe
[05:07] <Burgundavia> done
[05:12] <Burgundavia> *grumble at x-g*
[05:12] <poningru> sweet
[05:13] <johnlittle>  woo..thx for the mention
[05:14] <Burgundavia> I like to mention the people behind the projects
[05:15] <johnlittle> I added a link to the counter..and the book publisher btw
[05:15] <johnlittle> still working my way through the site looking for places to do things like that
[05:17] <poningru> woah /me is in there too
[05:17] <poningru> thanks dude :)
[05:18] <Burgundavia> funny how a mention in a newletter can really validate people
[05:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, reply to should have been set to the marketing list
[05:19] <johnlittle> I'm constantly self-validating but it's still appreciated :)
[05:23] <nixternal> Burgundavia: nobody ever replies to it anyways..so it is fine..good job!
[05:23] <Burgundavia> right, I have already got two bounces and one thanks
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe
[05:24] <nixternal> oh ya, you always get the "thanks" one
[05:24] <johnlittle> anyone speak french?
[05:24] <nixternal> that would be useless however i think for the marketing list
[05:24] <nixternal> ya johnlittle
[05:25] <johnlittle> http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/ubuntu/video/x4h9j_obountou
[05:25] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en speaks it just fine
[05:26] <nixternal> well google won't fix that ;)
[05:26] <johnlittle> Nope
[05:36] <johnlittle> Slab is pretty slick
[06:18] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: bit is it useful?
[06:19] <Burgundavia> it is usable?
[06:19] <johnlittle> very
[06:19] <johnlittle> no bugs or instability noticed yet
[06:20] <Burgundavia> that is not same as usable
[06:20] <johnlittle> it can be
[06:20] <Burgundavia> I think what they are doing is interesting, I just don't know if it has anything over the current menu structure
[06:20] <Burgundavia> now gimmie, that is interesting
[06:21] <johnlittle> I'm not sure I'm a fan of that whole architecture but I think a lot of people will go for it
[06:22] <johnlittle> It's very customizable which is a plus. I'm going to try it for a few days and see if it takes.
[06:41] <poningru> wait what are we talking about?
[06:42] <johnlittle> I think we were talking about Slab
[06:42] <poningru> sorry the bit threw me off
[06:44] <johnlittle> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSkCny-HtTw
[06:46] <johnlittle> That video might sink the FOSS movement lol
[06:46] <poningru> that actually isnt so bad
[06:46] <johnlittle> Production quality is great..but I find the whole thing kind of odd
[06:47] <johnlittle> then theres this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHY5EFvldJc
[06:56] <johnlittle> if there's a video about foss, linux, ubuntu online then i think ive seen it. I hope people start making more.
[07:01] <johnlittle> I think i have that slated to go out..its great
[07:01] <johnlittle> the bbc codebreakers series is awesome too
[07:04] <ompaul> johnlittle,  http://www.newsforge.com/blob.pl?id=d68a3f301777be569a9f7dd1c202cc7e
[07:06] <johnlittle> lol
[07:06] <johnlittle> no live demo..thats hilarious
[07:07] <johnlittle> One of his videos is on the Get Ubuntu page: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/
[07:12] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so is the 'herder of felines' joke in the lastest UWN your fault?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, absolutely not ;)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> I was playing on the whole "ubuntu, pronounced balh, means blah in ancient african"
[07:13] <Burgundavia> although I apparently made jeff annoyed
[07:13] <Burgundavia> he seems to think my comment linked his leaving and jonos coming
[07:18] <elkbuntu> i know im coming in late on this.. but.. oh. my. gawd.. that song stinks of techno-hippiness
[07:20] <johnlittle> lol
[07:24] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: song?
[07:24] <poningru> elkbuntu: hey man I love that song
[07:24] <elkbuntu> the free software song
[07:24] <poningru> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSkCny-HtTw
[07:25] <poningru> http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html
[07:33] <ormiret> I think jono's version is the best I've heard: http://www.recreantview.org/blog/?page_id=15
[07:35] <poningru> rofl
[07:40] <Madpilot> OK, that was strange as hell - thank you, ormiret ;)
[07:41] <ormiret> :)
[07:45] <johnlittle> Yep thats the best version
[07:53] <elkbuntu> canonical needs to get some better redundancy in their servers... cant be a good look to have the wiki down at some point on an almost weekly basis
[07:54] <elkbuntu> s/wiki/sites
[07:54] <poningru> and for the loco team one of the server is down :(
[07:54] <poningru> which hosts software freedom day webpage
[07:54] <poningru> :(
[07:54] <johnlittle> these are the kinds of linux videos i want ppl to make more of: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMjk31_AfT0
[07:55] <johnlittle> wiki is down again?
[07:57] <poningru> uh...
[07:57] <poningru> it is
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, oh, is that wheres its gone
[07:57] <poningru> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah :(
[07:58] <poningru> greebo is not happy
[07:58] <poningru> not that we can complain or anything.... but still
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> we can complain, we just cant help
[08:00] <poningru> you know what I do like? the ibm mini eminem linux commercials
[08:01] <poningru> hbqOqOuLTT8
[08:01] <johnlittle> Those are awesome
[08:02] <johnlittle> I'll probably run those but im saving them for a slow period
[08:06] <poningru> another good series is the red hat once
[08:07] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-es/attachments/20051202/4abe3cb1/ubuntu_5.11.jpg
[08:07] <Burgundavia> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Sexy_Logo
[08:07] <Burgundavia> I pass no judement
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:08] <poningru> rofl
[08:08] <elkbuntu> back to the warty days?
[08:08] <poningru> yeah we need the porn distro title back
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe "boobuntu would be the most secure platform to surf for your pr0n"
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, yeh
[08:09] <johnlittle> theres a better one..hmm off to google
[08:09] <johnlittle> yep google images..ubuntu..yikes
[08:09] <poningru> rofl
[08:09] <elkbuntu> sex sells
[08:10] <johnlittle> linux could using some xtra sexy :)
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, not sure that fits in with the marketing team ;)
[08:10] <johnlittle> use
[08:10] <poningru> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[08:10] <poningru> that comes up thats so awesome
[08:10] <poningru> google imags for ubuntu
[08:10] <johnlittle> lol
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[08:11] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, my body wouldnt sell peanuts to an elephant
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, nm, we can use poningru .
[08:12] <poningru> ...
[08:12] <poningru> err different rob
[08:12] <poningru> not our rob
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, theres female elephants
[08:12] <elkbuntu> rofl
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and when females do something, males follow ;)
[08:13] <poningru> hmm excellent
[08:13] <johnlittle> you're not far off the mark actually. Linux needs a female face
[08:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just showed someone that link, and i got back:() Hiedi H: u perve
[08:14] <johnlittle> heh
[08:14] <poningru> lol
[08:24] <johnlittle> I think i need to make an old school ununtu wallpaper
[08:26] <Madpilot> old school, in this case, translating as, "Women not wearing much"?
[08:26] <poningru> rofl
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:26] <poningru> we need our own qdb
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> poningru, the bzr team just have a wiki page where people can put quotes
[08:27] <poningru> hmm
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> (they had 4 last i looked)
[08:27] <poningru> oh man...
[08:27] <johnlittle> i still need to make orange eyes for this one: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ubuntumktg7.png
[08:27] <johnlittle> anybody good at that sort of stuff?
[08:28] <poningru> should be simple to do
[08:28] <poningru> give me a sec
[08:28] <Madpilot> I can have a go. Glowing orange eyes would be fun.
[08:28] <johnlittle> go for it
[08:28] <poningru> oh wait you want the glassy orange right?
[08:28] <johnlittle> ideally yeah
[08:28] <johnlittle> but whatever
[08:28] <poningru> hmm /me reads gimp docs
[08:29] <poningru> hopefully there is a replace function
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> *lol* at MT reference
[08:34] <Madpilot> johnlittle, it's a bit hackish, but: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ubuntupolice-orangesample.png
[08:34] <poningru> woah
[08:34] <poningru> how did you do it so quick?
[08:34] <johnlittle> very nice
[08:34] <johnlittle> better than I could have done
[08:34] <poningru> indeed
[08:34] <Madpilot> poningru, I is a gimp guru ;)
[08:35] <Madpilot> tutorial in a moment, if anyone wants an improptu gimp lesson
[08:35] <Madpilot> after I get a drink :)
[08:35] <poningru> ooh yeah
[08:39] <Madpilot> right, I have a nice cold gin & tonic.
[08:39] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: is that an official valve image?
[08:39] <Madpilot> how to give anime-ish policemen glowing orange eyes
[08:40] <Madpilot> 1. start the GIMP & open that image. Zoom in on one pair of eyes.
[08:40] <johnlittle> Not sure. Couldnt find it on their site. It was on third party wallpaper sites
[08:40] <poningru> ooh wait
[08:40] <johnlittle> I'm assuming that it is though.
[08:41] <Madpilot> hit "B" - that'll get you the Path tool
[08:42] <Madpilot> Paths are cool, they're an easily controlled way to do all sorts of things
[08:43] <Madpilot> click on a series of points, and the Path tool will connect them. Close the shape & hit Enter, and you've got a selection - like the lasso, but way easier to control
[08:43] <poningru> select the eyes?
[08:44] <Madpilot> yup, select the inside edge of the eyes - the inside of the socket, basically
[08:44] <Madpilot> where the strong blue ends
[08:45] <Madpilot> hit Enter to make a selection, then B again to clear the path nodes - you don't need them again
[08:45] <Madpilot> Now go Select menu->Grow, set that to 5 pixels, hit OK
[08:46] <poningru> woah
[08:46] <Madpilot> then Select->Feather, set to 5px, hit OK
[08:46] <Madpilot> that'll give our orange glow a soft edge, when we're done.
[08:47] <Madpilot> next, create a new layer - Layer menu->New Layer
[08:47] <Madpilot> make sure you're on the new layer - layer dialogue is on the righthand side of the screen
[08:48] <poningru> oh transparency new layer fill type?
[08:48] <Madpilot> leave it at default, just hit OK when you get the new layer dialogue
[08:48] <poningru> ah ok
[08:48] <Madpilot> Transparency should be the default
[08:48] <poningru> yeah transparency is the default
[08:48] <elkbuntu> you did it the hard way
[08:49] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, there's different ways to do all this stuff, I'm going with 'easiest to explain' ;)
[08:49] <Madpilot> 'easiest to type', perhaps
[08:49] <Madpilot> OK - next, Shift+B to get you to the bucket fill tool
[08:49] <elkbuntu> lasso the eyes, layer > colourise, get to the right colour, tweak lightness and saturation, dont let it go too pale. layer > brightness/contrast, get it looking bright enough
[08:49] <Madpilot> double click on the colour selector, pick a nice bright orange shade
[08:50] <elkbuntu> that's all i need to type :D
[08:50] <poningru> for now
[08:50] <poningru> will try elkbuntu later
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. dissed
[08:50] <poningru> err...
[08:50] <johnlittle> not quite old school: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/ubuntubeach2.png
[08:51] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, my way introduces a bunch of new cool concepts, too. layer blends & such
[08:51] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/ubuntumktg7.png
[08:52] <Madpilot> next, flood fill the selection with orange. It'll be opaque, but that we'll fix next
[08:52] <johnlittle> beautiful work
[08:52] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, my link.. that what you were wanting?
[08:52] <johnlittle> i gotta kill the blue ubuntu now
[08:53] <Madpilot> above the Layers dialogue there's a dropdown called Mode - set that to "Screen" - glowing orange eyes, with no blue bits around the edges to distract
[08:55] <poningru> mode?
[08:56] <Madpilot> poningru, in the Layers display, above the actual layers, there's a dropdown, titled "Mode"
[08:56] <poningru> doh ic it
[08:58] <poningru> woah
[08:58] <Madpilot> is cool, no?
[08:58] <poningru> nice
[08:58] <Madpilot> Layers blending is awesome
[09:04] <johnlittle> I think i need to play with the color of the ubuntu but it more or less works: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/umkt.png
[09:05] <Burgundavia> can you put the logo in their eyes?
[09:05] <johnlittle> thats easy enough. I thought about that
[09:05] <johnlittle> You think like Dr. Evil...
[09:06] <Burgundavia> now we need to just get around the issue of the fact that we are using a copyrighted image...
[09:06] <poningru> rofl
[09:06] <johnlittle> I wasn't planning on releasing this anywhere.
[09:08] <johnlittle> Can you imagine rolling this out at a some linux event..that would freak people out
[09:08] <johnlittle> giant posters in a convention hall
[09:09] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/ubuntupolice-orange.png <- my version, slightly brighter orange
[09:09] <Madpilot> the righthand guy is a bit messy :|
[09:09] <Madpilot> I serioiusly think "We've come for your desktop" should replace "Linux for human beings" :)
[09:10] <johnlittle> lol
[09:10] <johnlittle> I like them both. I don't think I would have done as well as either of you
[09:11] <johnlittle> two different styles..both cool.
[09:11] <Madpilot> or maybe we could just adopt it as Marketing Team's logo
[09:11] <Madpilot> slogan, rather
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, well there are a few bounties open on LP about changing it, so why not :0
[09:11] <johnlittle> This just in..theres been a slight change in Ubuntu's image...
[09:12] <poningru> more evil
[09:12] <poningru> ;)
[09:12] <johnlittle> Now With More Evil
[09:12] <Madpilot> I thought MS had that market cornered?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> we just need them to have puppy skin helmets, and we will truly have cornered the evil market
[09:13] <johnlittle> Ballmer will be calling Bill..."I think these guys are serious..."
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:14] <johnlittle> Puppy Skin Shipit CD covers?
[09:14] <poningru> ooh
[09:14] <Burgundavia> hmm...
[09:14] <johnlittle> and small pring "Puppies were harmed in the production of this distro:
[09:14] <johnlittle> er small print
[09:15] <Madpilot> but not ponies, because there is no pony for you!
[09:15] <johnlittle> lol
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:18] <Burgundavia> I wonder why somebody would unsubscribe from a three message *a month* mailing list...
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> -news?
[09:23] <Madpilot> So, quick poll: Has John Baer had his sense of humour surgically removed, or was it absent from birth?
[09:23] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/ubuntubeach3.png
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, quicker poll. whotf is that?
[09:23] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, you not on the marketing team mailing list?
[09:24] <johnlittle> That cracked me up
[09:24] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, if not, this post, and thread from there: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000944.html
[09:25] <Madpilot> gah, is gmail sending my email as HTML? Eww.
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, i'm on it, but not following any lists at the moment.
[09:27] <Burgundavia> 600+ email backlog is due to jbaer...
[09:27] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, no, just the really, really long, strange emails to -marketing :)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:28] <Burgundavia> at the marketing team is not trying to produce documentation
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, oh, i see.
[09:29] <Madpilot> Kamping_Kaiser, hence my 'quick poll' question ;) Which way would you vote?>
[09:29] <Madpilot> Perhaps hitting him with Webster's was a bit too much... nah.
[09:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. absent from birth :) (ducks incase said person is here)
[09:30] <Burgundavia> his nick is jbaer
[09:30] <johnlittle> He seems to just hang around to drop bombs..unless someones seem him do something else.
[09:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: remind me to forward you some of the stuff our marketing guy produces at work
[09:31] <ormiret> johnlittle: I think he wrote the charter for the magazine
[09:31] <Madpilot> johnlittle, he writes long wiki articles too
[09:31] <Madpilot> well, not really articles, just long pages
[09:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ormiret, has it exploaded? :)
[09:31] <johnlittle> pages of what?
[09:31] <johnlittle> oh wait I think i read one of those...nevermind
[09:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, if it's in similar vein, I'm not sure you need to waste the bandwidth :)
[09:31] <Burgundavia> oh, very much so
[09:32] <Madpilot> johnlittle, long 'this is how real marketing is done' pages :|
[09:32] <Burgundavia> the sad part is that our marketing guys get paid to do this
[09:32] <johnlittle> Yeah read that...shudder
[09:32] <Madpilot> I'm sure he means well, but really...
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, you can mean whatever you like, but when you say 'do it my way, because', you loose... er... everytghing
[09:33] <Madpilot> what about when you take 500+ words to say that?
[09:34] <johnlittle> it least it wasnt in all caps
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, one reason i'm not follings lists atm: they seem to be in big email overdrive (esp marketing)
[09:34] <Madpilot> yeah, -marketing has picked up lately
[09:35] <Burgundavia> sadly at least half of it is noise
[09:35] <elkbuntu> nice response to the loony, Madpilot :)
[09:36] <Madpilot> Thank you. I try for brevity & clarity. Sometimes I make it. ;)
[09:36] <johnlittle> Wait until you see my 5 page "What is a loony?" piece
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:36] <johnlittle> j/k..no reply from me
[09:37] <elkbuntu> i seriously felt like replying with 'stop wasting our <profanity> time', but i restrained myself
[09:37] <johnlittle> It would be more entertaining to send out that wallpaper with a note about it being the official edgy theme
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[09:38] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, find one of the well-established hoax sites that is techy.. see how quickly they get it viral ;)
[09:38] <poningru> yar
[09:38] <poningru> r
[09:39] <Burgundavia> like digg?
[09:39] <poningru> or /.?
[09:40] <elkbuntu> no...
[09:40] <johnlittle> Yeah it probably would
[09:40] <elkbuntu> i mean like the sites that manage to pull of actual proper hoaxes
[09:41] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, so, like Digg or /. then
[09:41] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:43] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe
[09:44] <elkbuntu> meh
[09:44] <johnlittle> I find myself going back to the default theme and wallpaper a lot these days...that's odd
[09:44] <Burgundavia> funny how it grows on you?
[09:44] <johnlittle> yep
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I started using the default as part of the doc team, because I need to have default for that
[09:45] <Madpilot> I use default theme, but I change wallpapers a couple times a week
[09:46] <johnlittle> Will there be new artwork for edgy?
[09:47] <johnlittle> Guess so...ive seen the wiki lol
[09:54] <Burgundavia> wow, youtube is filled with lots of really old videos
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> GARRR!, just when i want to find help on checkinstall ubuntus disapeared *slaps randomly*
[09:55] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: checkinstall is evil anyway, my son
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, :/ well i can checkinstall it, or make install it
[10:01] <poningru> hehe
[10:02] <elkbuntu> i must be bored. http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/apple.png
[10:03] <Burgundavia> that is good
[10:03] <johnlittle> haha me too: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/moonbuntu.png
[10:03] <johnlittle> mine isnt so good
[10:03] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, pimpin' it to the apple usr ;)
[10:03] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: wash out the apple to grey and just have the ubuntu logo in colour
[10:04] <johnlittle> good idea
[10:04] <johnlittle> would be nice to have it next to a macbook with ubuntu...
[10:04] <elkbuntu> or in a screenshot of a mac ;)
[10:05] <elkbuntu> and not screenshot as in print screen
[10:05] <Burgundavia> no, don't go that far
[10:05] <elkbuntu> a shot of the screen of a mac
[10:05] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, cool apple
[10:05] <elkbuntu> let me do the desaturated version
[10:05] <Madpilot> cool moon, too
[10:06] <johnlittle> thx..just playin
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> you people and your pictures :( your amazing :|
[10:12] <Madpilot> an Ubuntu.ca wallpaper I did last week: http://ubuntu-ca.org/wallpaper/UC_wallpaper1.png
[10:14] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/catbuntu.png
[10:14] <johnlittle> nice
[10:14] <johnlittle> I was thinking canadian before i read the logo :)
[10:14] <Madpilot> johnlittle, distort the logo sideways on that cat's eye a bit, so it looks more like a reflection
[10:15] <johnlittle> yeah i know..im lazy :/
[10:15] <johnlittle> I'll retouch it in the morning
[10:17] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/apple2.png
[10:17] <johnlittle> would be better with the xubuntu mous elogo
[10:17] <elkbuntu> definately
[10:18] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, very cool
[10:18] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:19] <Madpilot> Seriously, I don't think it's possible to rescale something and automatically keep the same aspect ratio...
[10:19] <johnlittle> nice apple
[10:20] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: here is my last idea. What about a slightly coloured apple, with a less transparent logo (yes, I am very picky)
[10:26] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/apple3.png
[10:27] <Madpilot> Cool
[10:27] <elkbuntu> full series, hehe
[10:27] <Madpilot> wonder how much it would cost to get that on the side of a bus for a month or two? :)
[10:27] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:27] <poningru> not much actually
[10:28] <poningru> if you go a cheap rural route
[10:28] <elkbuntu> strangely, i dont even own an apple, but the idea popped into my bored brain anyway
[10:29] <Burgundavia> too bad it would just advertise apple
[10:29] <Burgundavia> better to do something else
[10:30] <elkbuntu> yeah, but the idea was to aim it at apple users
[10:30] <Burgundavia> as long as it says "ubuntu" linux for human beings
[10:36] <Madpilot> no, no, "We've come for your desktop", remember?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> right
[10:37] <Burgundavia> that can be another add
[10:38] <Burgundavia> ad, rather
[10:39] <elkbuntu> are we seriously considering ads now?
[10:40] <Madpilot> I'm not, just BSing
[10:40] <mindspin> good morning
[10:40] <johnlittle> omg wtf: http://primativeperspective.com/monkey_pictures.htm
[10:41] <mindspin>  is the wiki down ?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I have given much thought to it locally
[10:41] <poningru> mindspin: yeah
[10:42] <elkbuntu> had i more $s to my name, i probably would consider it also
[10:42] <poningru> Burgundavia: seriously?
[10:42] <poningru> damn too tired to discuss...
[10:42] <Burgundavia> poningru: yes, but ultimately rejected it
[10:42] <poningru> night guys
[10:42] <Burgundavia> due to lack of return for investment
[10:42] <poningru> ok /me was going along the same lines
[10:43] <poningru> night or morning now I guess
[10:43] <mindspin> ads are boring and imho not a good way concerning price/effort
[10:43] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:43] <elkbuntu> magazine exposure is where it's at
[10:43] <mindspin> press press press
[10:43] <elkbuntu> location location location
[10:43] <mindspin> ;-)
[10:59] <johnlittle> ok I know im tired now: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/chimp.png
[10:59] <Madpilot> ...
[11:00] <Madpilot> I'd suggest using a pic of a certain world leader & the same end tag, but that would probably severely bend the CoC ;)
[11:04] <elkbuntu> you mean, he's not actually a chimp? there i was thinking...
[11:05] <Madpilot> be nice
[11:06] <elkbuntu> it was the facial contortions that confused me
[11:07] <johnlittle> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/8/prweb423568.htm
[11:08] <Burgundavia> fridge it
[11:09] <johnlittle> who me?
[11:30] <johnlittle> ok this is odd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0_qDqqyj1k
[11:41] <Madpilot>  _____________________________
[11:41] <Madpilot> < We've come for your desktop >
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[11:42] <johnlittle> lol
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:05] <elkbuntu>       _                    _
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[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /mode +b elkbuntu Madpilot "stop spamming :P"
[12:06] <elkbuntu> you'll never defeat us
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[12:06] <elkbuntu> my spam was less spammy
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. but less meaningfull
[12:06] <ormiret> elkbuntu: perhaps not defeat but we can /ignore which is almost as good
[12:06] <Madpilot> my spam was cowsay, so it doesn't count as spam
[12:07] <elkbuntu> is that so?
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[12:07] <elkbuntu> sh: fig: command not found
[12:07] <elkbuntu>  __
[12:07] <elkbuntu> <  >
[12:07] <elkbuntu>  --
[12:07] <elkbuntu>         \   ^__^
[12:07] <elkbuntu>          \  (oo)\_______
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[12:07] <elkbuntu>                 ||     ||
[12:07] <elkbuntu> fugg
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. jOO m3ss3d up!
[12:07] <elkbuntu> figlet: oh.flf: Unable to open font file
[12:07] <elkbuntu>  __
[12:07] <elkbuntu> <  >
[12:07] <elkbuntu>  --
[12:07] <elkbuntu>         \   ^__^
[12:07] <elkbuntu>          \  (oo)\_______
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[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[12:07] <elkbuntu> o.O
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[12:08] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: please stop, think of the puppies
[12:08] <elkbuntu> \                                   |__/  /
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[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[12:08] <mdke> elkbuntu: please stop now
[12:08] <elkbuntu> there!
[12:08] <Madpilot> my God, it's full of cows!
[12:08] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, is there a puppy cowsay? you started this remember
[12:08] <mdke> let's not get overexcited
[12:09] <elkbuntu> i wasnt, excited, i was just undertaking Madpilot's decree that cowsay wasnt spam :P
[12:09] <elkbuntu> and stuffing it up twice
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, you need to practice ;)
[12:09] <Madpilot> no, *my* cowsay isn't spam. Yours might be. ;)
[12:10] <elkbuntu> how can cowsay + figlet be a bad thing?
[12:10] <matthewrevell> wow, the wonders of SUnday morning irc
[12:11] <Burgundavia> morning matthewrevell
[12:11] <matthewrevell> morning :)
[12:20] <Burgundavia> night all
[02:34] <ompaul>  /exec cowsay did you know every time you use cowsay I loose a karama point
[02:36] <jenda> ompaul--
[02:37] <ompaul> jenda, deps on eariler conversations
[02:37] <jenda> Of course :)
[02:37] <ormiret> ompaul was kind enough to not actually do it
[02:37] <jenda> But you lose a karma point all the same ;)
[02:37] <jenda> I see.
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, naughty elkbuntu :P
[02:38] <ormiret> Did we ever figure out if there was a meeting today?
[02:42] <jenda> Meeting???
[02:42] <jenda> nvm, I gotta run. I hope I'm here if it happens.
[02:42] <ormiret> The next meeting date at the end of the last minuted is today
[02:43] <ormiret> sara mentioned at one point but noone else knew anything about it
[03:18] <elkbuntu> sometime the past few hours, the counter hit the 10k machine milestone.. w00t!
[03:27] <MenZa> !karma
[03:27] <MenZa> blepe.
[03:27] <MenZa> bleep/*
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> does ubuntu have offical forums? when did they become offical?
[04:04] <elkbuntu> nooo idea
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[04:05] <elkbuntu> its just the work of an uneducated troll
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wanted to be sure
[04:06] <elkbuntu> oh ffs.. john baer is at it again
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[04:08] <elkbuntu> baer is getting his knickers in a knot re: bug #1
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> wghat can i say? good
[04:12] <elkbuntu> so you agree bug #1 should be abolished?
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> stuff that. print it on tshirts
[04:12] <elkbuntu> that's what baer is calling for...
[04:13] <elkbuntu> not the tshirts.. the abolishment
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> exactly. pin it to him.
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> people with no sence of humour/uniqueness can bugger off. i have to put up with to many of them already
[04:15] <elkbuntu> ive run out of patience with him.. i'll leave it to one of the more articulate fellows to give him a verbal enema
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'any of you who are in advertising or marketing, kill yourselfs. there is no rationalisation for what you do, you are satans little helpers, kill yourself, killyourself,kill yourself now. now. back to the show" - bill hicks
[04:20] <elkbuntu> if he did, he'll be banished from ubuntu for life
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> he hasnt, he just ranted
[04:23] <elkbuntu> did you go check?
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[04:24] <elkbuntu> heh... i was refraining from just incase...
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> its been closed before, but it always gets reopneed
[05:07] <ompaul> and decides not to
[05:08] <mindspin> I#m just reading him...
[05:08] <ompaul> mindspin, don't - you should have a nice Sunday
[05:09] <mindspin> hehe
[05:09] <mindspin> I had til now
[05:15] <elkbuntu> ompaul, i did consider replying, but i could only think of non-CoC things to say
[05:16] <ompaul> elkbuntu, let it alone, the "it is a joke" is not getting though is an issue not for the list
[05:18] <elkbuntu> he seems intent on just making a crapload of noise in the list though.. he sent another 'values' email too...
[05:19] <elkbuntu> if finances, or lack thereof, and conscience were not stopping me, i would be quite tempted to vent frustration at his ignorant persistance in performing bodily harm on his person
[05:20] <ompaul> elkbuntu, it is not worth investing your energy in such
[05:21] <elkbuntu> but it would be so empowering ;)
[05:21] <ompaul>  /cs m elkbuntu
[05:21] <elkbuntu> :P
[05:22] <ompaul> we can be diverted by people like him or not - frankly I still have that idea and I can't get it onto a wiki page .. but I will, after I get a blinding flash of brilliance on the staircase
[05:22] <ompaul> words fail me in my "super map" :-(
[05:27] <ompaul> elkbuntu, it is not the words but capturing the picture I have in my mind - I find it very difficult to wrestle it into words, it is a specific picture but it can be viewed as macro and micro at the same time - almost a fractal like quality
[06:23] <mdke> oh christ, the mailing list bug strikes again
[06:23] <MenZa> ohnoes
[06:25] <elkbuntu> mdke, common reaction tonight.
[06:25] <nixternal> i just sent an email to the list, i hope it isn't considered a bug ;)
[06:28] <elkbuntu> nixternal, only if you're verging on trolling or repeating the same crud over again
[06:30] <nixternal> ooh mdke, i can't wait to see it
[06:30] <nixternal> i love how Corey finally let off a little steam
[06:30] <nixternal> all of a sudden, since he doesn't get what he wants, he attacks..i don't like that, and if he was "intelligent" enough to understand he is talking about the CoC and at the same time disrespecting or disregarding it
[06:31] <mdke> sent
[06:31] <mdke> hopefully that is not too harsh
[06:32] <elkbuntu> no, its just one up from dennis' earlier mail
[06:32] <elkbuntu> and i thought he was being too kind.. hence why i havent replied
[06:35] <mdke> I'm encouraged by how this team is evolving
[06:35] <mdke> there are a good number of sensible doing people stepping up now
[06:36] <mdke> hopefully things will start to move now
[06:38] <elkbuntu> i can only hope i'm part of that
[06:38] <nixternal> mdke: very well said in that email
[06:38] <mdke> hey, you're the top one :)
[06:38] <elkbuntu> you serious?
[06:39] <elkbuntu> i sort of thought with the fridge and all that the surveys would be sort of minor
[06:39] <mdke> well, the fridge isn't really doing much marketing :)
[06:40] <elkbuntu> nor are the surveys yet.. but i suppose the counter is
[06:40] <poningru> morning
[06:46] <elkbuntu> anyway, off to bed with me, since it's almost 3am
[06:48] <poningru> night
[07:07] <matthewrevell> evening
[07:10] <matthewrevell> How does one scream on a mailing list?
[07:15] <MenZa> *screams in matthewrevell's face*
[07:15] <MenZa> Like that.
[07:18] <johnlittle> I can't believe the nasty emails I'm getting because of ubuntu video
[07:20] <matthewrevell> MenZa: Nice work
[07:20] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: seriously?
[07:21] <johnlittle> mattewrevell: Yes...I'm an enemy of FOSS for leveraging flash
[07:21] <johnlittle> youtube hosting..etc
[07:21] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Has it been openly hostile?
[07:22] <johnlittle> no big deal. I'm just surprised that people don't understand that they aren't all videos I produced
[07:23] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I can't remember if it's flagged up clearly on the site and am too lazy to open a Firefox tab ... but maybe you could make it more clear.
[07:23] <johnlittle> some of them are. I think that those folks are in the minority though. I think we have to keep in mind that not all ubuntu users are concerned about FOSS. Some people just want a great operating system
[07:23] <johnlittle> Yeah I'm thinking about another way of making that point
[07:24] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Thing is, and I've siad this many times before, zealotry isn't really helpful, most of the time
[07:24] <matthewrevell> So, people attacking you are basically counterproductive. They should be trying to persuade you of what they believe, rather than attacking you for disagreeing
[07:25] <johnlittle> Yep. It doesn't bother me. My other gig is politics so I can take it :)
[07:25] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Cool.
[07:26] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Not everyone can, though, and people shouldn't have to.
[07:26] <johnlittle> I'm just suprised that some people are that emotional about it
[07:26] <nixternal> he will take it, and he will enjoy it ;)
[07:26] <johnlittle> lol
[07:26] <matthewrevell> Anyway, love, teamwork, integrity, excellence, inclusion, teamwork.
[07:26] <matthewrevell> again
[07:27] <nixternal> a client of mine brings in a broken lappy, and says fix it..immediately after boot, i know it is a bad drive..replace the drive, and offer him Kubuntu or Ubuntu free of charge, and that I will service his laptop for FREE, for the next 6 months, and that i will instruct him on his new setup
[07:27] <nixternal> he tells me
[07:28] <nixternal> Nah, I don't like the way the name sounds
[07:28] <matthewrevell> nixternal: UncleSamOS suit him better? :)
[07:28] <nixternal> so, he insisted on windows...so i charged him full price and offer him no free support ;)
[07:29] <nixternal> i have all his servers, and he runs Ubuntu on them ;)
[07:32] <johnlittle> Should I even have comments enabled on UV..I don't really want to wade through lots of battles about FOSS or other distros every day.
[07:32] <nixternal> jenda!!!
[07:32] <nixternal> i just noticed you were here ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> welcome back buddy!
[07:47] <johnlittle> http://www.digitalcitizen.info/2006/08/09/when-co-optation-is-called-rivalrous-where-is-users-software-freedom/
[08:01] <johnlittle> I removed the comment feature on UV and beefed up the about page a little.
[08:26] <johnlittle> Has anyone ever been booted from the marketing ML?
[08:29] <ormiret> I don't think so
[09:26] <Madpilot> Wow, Mr. Baer has trouble taking hints, doesn't he?
[09:40] <johnlittle> I have to fight the urge to send that wallpaper to the group
[10:09] <jenda> johnlittle: would you be the one behind ubuntuvideo?
[10:10] <johnlittle> jenda: I would be.
[10:10] <jenda> Very nice project - I was amazed.
[10:11] <jenda> I had a look even though I was on vacation.
[10:11] <jenda> Could use a little polishing and community integration.
[10:11] <johnlittle> Yep I'm still polishing as we speak
[10:11] <jenda> Congrats on great work - and thanks :)
[10:11] <johnlittle> Thank you.
[10:13] <johnlittle> If you have suggestions just let me know
[10:15] <jenda> How about using the ubuntu header instead of yours - for continuity, not that it doesn't look good.
[10:15] <Burgundavia> hey jenda, welcome back
[10:16] <johnlittle> That was my original idea but I didn't know if that was possible
[10:16] <jenda> Hello Burgundavia, thanks.
[10:16] <jenda> What'd I miss?
[10:16] <jenda> :-D
[10:17] <Burgundavia> whiprush: ping
[10:18] <johnlittle> Jenda: I have to run. Feel free to shoot me an email with any ideas you have.
[10:18] <johnlittle> johnwlittle@gmail.com
[10:20] <jenda> johnlittle: okeydoke ;)
[10:21] <jenda> Who is whiprush? (Sorry to be rude...)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> jenda: guy I am manning the GNOME booth with at LWE
[10:22] <jenda> I see.
[10:22] <jenda> Hello mindspin
[10:23] <Burgundavia> he also uses Ubuntu. Real name is Jorge Castro
[10:24] <mindspin> hi
[10:24] <jenda> Sounds great.
[10:26] <Burgundavia> jenda: lots has changed since you went on vacation. I suggest you talk to the fridge guys, as SU is basically already done, by them
[10:28] <jenda> eh
[10:28] <jenda> OK
[10:28] <whiprush> Burgundavia: pong
[10:29] <jenda> One brief look shows that the most important part of SU - the DIY Marketing guides - is simply not there.
[10:29] <jenda> Burgundavia: what might happen, though, is that I'll stick to doing just that as the main focus of SU.
[10:30] <jenda> But - I first need some time to catch up.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> the DIY stuff can happen on the wiki
[10:30] <Burgundavia> just like the rest of the marketing material
[10:30] <Burgundavia> thus make SU a virtual project, rather than an actual website
[10:34] <jenda> Hm
[10:34] <jenda> Will consider.
[10:34] <jenda> Or it should be a page on ubuntu.com
[10:35] <jenda> in the how to contribute section
[10:35] <Burgundavia> well the community/contribute page is mostly going to point to the wiki
[10:36] <Burgundavia> and the marketing stuff is going to point to the marketing pages
[10:36] <jenda> Of course
[10:36] <jenda> what marketing pages?
[10:36] <jenda> hm
[10:36] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[10:36] <Burgundavia> creating SU at this point is pure insanity
[10:37] <Burgundavia> as spreadubuntu.com, that is
[10:37] <jenda> IYO, that is ;)
[10:37] <mdke> I think spreadubuntu, if done well, will be a good project
[10:37] <mdke> so does Matthew R
[10:37] <Burgundavia> mdke: as a seperate website?
[10:38] <mdke> yes, potentially
[10:38] <jenda> Burgundavia, I think that many of the points on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu are unfilled anywhere, and would be a big help to advocating Ubuntu worldwide.
[10:39] <Burgundavia> under goals and objectives: the first three need to be addressed via the main website and I admit it isn't the greatest at that
[10:39] <Burgundavia> regardless of whether SU exists and duplicates that, they do need to be addressed by the ubuntu website
[10:39] <Burgundavia> number 6 is the wiki
[10:40] <Burgundavia> so is 5
[10:40] <Burgundavia> number 4 can simply be a wiki page: "How to tell your neighbours about Ubuntu" or something similar
[10:40] <mdke> yes, numbers 5 and 6 are certainly not relevant. 1-4 are valid for an ubuntu marketing website
[10:41] <Burgundavia> MS does not have a seperate "marketing website"
[10:41] <jenda> wikipages do not have the appeal needed for most people to notice, unfortunately.
[10:41] <Burgundavia> we need good marketing stuff on Ubuntu.com with links saying "come help us market Ubuntu", linking to the wiki
[10:41] <Burgundavia> voila, SU
[10:41] <mdke> Burgundavia: MS has totally different marketing considerations
[10:41] <jenda> Since when was MS the idol we consider...
[10:41] <Burgundavia> yes, but marketing is marketing
[10:42] <mdke> no
[10:42] <Burgundavia> I was using MS as an example
[10:42] <mdke> MS doesn't need to get into people's awareness, everyone knows who they are
[10:42] <Burgundavia> at the level we are talking about, yes
[10:42] <mdke> it's completely different marketing they look at
[10:42] <jenda> Alrighty, I gotta go. I still feel there is a point in SU - and will do all I can to get it up and running.
[10:42] <Burgundavia> precisely why we shouldn't be splitting the viewers
[10:42] <Burgundavia> I like SU as a virtual project, to keep us focused on working on the existing resources
[10:43] <mdke> grabbing awareness is something a spread/get* site does well
[10:43] <Burgundavia> right, FF has two pages
[10:43] <Burgundavia> getfirefox <-> ubuntu.com
[10:43] <Burgundavia> and spreadfirefox <-> fridge/wiki
[10:44] <jenda> SU is not modelled after spreadfirefox
[10:45] <Burgundavia> mdke raised FF, via his get/spread site thingy
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jenda: all I am saying is that I cannot see a place for a read spreadubuntu.com that does not needlessly duplicate and fracture existing resources, including people
[10:46] <Burgundavia> s/read/real
[10:46] <Burgundavia> where are people going to go when they produce new marketing material? SU or here
[10:46] <mdke> what do you mean by "new marketing material"?
[10:47] <mdke> spreadubuntu is a website for potential new Ubuntu users, not marketing people
[10:47] <Burgundavia> spreadubuntu is going to attract people, people produce stuff
[10:47] <mdke> people produce stuff?
[10:47] <jenda> If you mean new DIY material - they'll post it to the wiki, which will be checked and added to SU periodically, I'm imagining...
[10:47] <mdke> you mean, when they go to the toilet?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> if SU is all about merely attracting new users, then what about ubuntu.com
[10:47] <jenda> gah
[10:47] <jenda> It is not.
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I think this much is clear: there is no clear idea for SU that we all agree one
[10:48] <Burgundavia> which makes it hard to make a rational decision to create such a website
[10:48] <jenda> Burgundavia: that might be true.
[10:48] <mdke> well, cutting out goals 5-6, it is about attracting new users
[10:48] <mdke> and goals 5-6 are clearly not helpful
[10:49] <Burgundavia> in which case, we need to answer the question: What about ubuntu.com is not fufilling that role?
[10:49] <jenda> And for me - the highest priority are guides and material for potential local spreaders (though, of course, not the only goal).
[10:49] <mdke> because ubuntu.com is a much more complicated a rich site
[10:49] <mdke> jenda: ok, that's definitely a completely irrelevant role for any site other than the wiki
[10:49] <Burgundavia> if your goal is to merely produce things like that, which are sorely needed, the wiki serves great for that
[10:50] <jenda> I strongly disagree, but don't have time now to discuss it.
[10:50] <mdke> in fact, not using the wiki would be seriously damaging
[10:50] <jenda> The wiki will be used, of course.
[10:50] <mdke> and completely unacceptable
[10:51] <Burgundavia> mdke: you say "We are different than MS". Our main website should reflect that. It should reflect out community. Currently it does that badly, but that is a fixable issue
[10:52] <mdke> sure sure. but I think there is a place for a much simpler site with a single page/a few pages which is used for attracting new users.
[10:52] <mdke> maybe I'm wrong, and the website is appropriate
[10:52] <Burgundavia> why not a /newusers
[10:52] <Burgundavia> create a template of what you want on the wiki and we can argue about specifics of such a page
[10:52] <mdke> ugh /newusers?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> just an idea
[10:53] <ormiret> does the url really matter?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> manic creation of new resources is a common issue amongst new teams
[10:53] <Burgundavia> and the idea that something technical will solve what is essentially a social issue is also
[10:53] <mdke> yes, I'm aware of that
[10:53] <Burgundavia> mdke: observe froud and that apache lenya thing
[10:54] <mdke> there are many clear examples of that tendency
[10:54] <mdke> however, I just have the feeling that a simple site might be useful
[10:56] <Burgundavia> I have always wanted a more simple ubuntu.com
[10:56] <Burgundavia> I understand that matthew n is going to be working on just such a thing later this month/next month
[10:57] <mdke> certainly it would be nice to see people contributing marketing ideas for the main website
[10:58] <Burgundavia> yes. I think people see the main website as this cathedral that they cannot touch
[10:59] <nixternal> i miss all of the good stuff, but consider this question, "What are the goals for Ubuntu Marketing?"
[10:59] <Burgundavia> to spread ubuntu to the unwashed masses
[10:59] <nixternal> heh
[11:00] <Burgundavia> if you want marketing speak: To raise the profile of Ubuntu amongst target groups and increase adoption
[11:00] <nixternal> see, there is not 1 defined goal anywhere for "Marketing Ubuntu", and I don't mean the goal of the Marketing Team, because right now, the team's goal and idea is totally different from various marketing aspects
[11:01] <Burgundavia> part of that is to create materials for the unwashed to marketing ubuntu to the other unwashed
[11:01] <Burgundavia> the other part is to argue of the first part
[11:02] <nixternal> i don't see how we can propose projects and what not when there isn't a goal, let alone a "Marketing Plan" to even follow. I think there needs to be a definite "Plan" put in place, before any real marketing can take place
[11:02] <Burgundavia> "welcome to the revolution comrade. Our first meeting is to define what the revolution is"
[11:02] <mdke> nixternal: you were reading the list this week? there were some emails with exactly that
[11:02] <Burgundavia> nixternal: now you are starting to sound like jbaer
[11:02] <nixternal> no no
[11:02] <mdke> exactly
[11:02] <Burgundavia> what we need are discrete goals
[11:02] <Burgundavia> create a pamphlet
[11:02] <nixternal> that is good
[11:02] <Burgundavia> improve the main website
[11:02] <nixternal> there you go
[11:03] <nixternal> keep going
[11:03] <Burgundavia> rather than A GIANT PLAN TO END ALL PLANS
[11:03] <nixternal> right now the "team" has expressed interest or goals in SU and a Magazine..i haven't see much else, except for the Fridge and what lloydhino?? is doing
[11:04] <Burgundavia> umm, active projects are: Fridge, UWN and Knot release announcements
[11:04] <Burgundavia> the magazine and SU are mostly in the talking phase
[11:04] <Burgundavia> likely never to leave them, tbh
[11:04] <nixternal> ok, the UWN if considered marketing is marketing the "community" aspect if anything
[11:04] <mdke> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000902.html
[11:04] <nixternal> but yes, all a part of marketing
[11:04] <mdke> read, rinse and read again
[11:04] <ormiret> take a look at the MarketingTeam page Andreas Lloyd has updates the project list
[11:05] <Burgundavia> ormiret: I see that, perfect
[11:06] <Burgundavia> mdke: funny how basically the entire doc team is now helping hte marketing people
[11:06] <nixternal> mdke: that is great, a nice to do list of projects..and that is great...im just trying to figure out if Ubuntu Marketing is defined anywhere, and if there are plans on defining it..that is all
[11:06] <Burgundavia> nixternal: definitions are constraining
[11:06] <Burgundavia> marketing is very very vague
[11:06] <nixternal> it is
[11:06] <nixternal> true
[11:06] <mdke> nixternal: dude, get away from this "what is marketing" nonsense, or we will stick a jbaer label on you
[11:07] <mdke> that list of projects is an excellent start
[11:07] <nixternal> but yet everyone/every company who is involved with marketing will tell you, there is an initial plan that will change every day as the "project" evolves
[11:08] <mdke> nixternal: right, so if you are employed by Canonical, you can start with that plan. UNtil then, this team is not even near an appropriate place to do that
[11:08] <nixternal> i know marketing open source != marketing as well, as it is totally a different "monster" itself
[11:08] <mdke> this team has some tasks, and can help loco teams, and should start getting on with them
[11:08] <mdke> loads of people have ideas, it's just time to focus them in the right place
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mdke: by simple, you mean one page, no?
[11:08] <nixternal> mdke: thank you!  that is what i needed to know, and i think others may need to know..that could explain some of the confusion and ramblings as well on the ML
[11:09] <mdke> one page, maybe 2 or 3
[11:09] <mdke> yeah, I guess one page
[11:10] <mdke> the sort of things I had in mind were things that tell people that Ubuntu doesn't get viruses, and comes free with loads of software, and all that jazz
[11:10] <nixternal> also, i wanted to reply so bad to the email about "bug #1", believe me, i worked for the "evil giant" and they have a "bug #1" that is similar to ours, only difference is we are open, they aren't
[11:10] <mdke> the sort of thing that the website might not do on the front page
[11:10] <ormiret> mdke: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop ?
[11:11] <mdke> ormiret: more of a list of a few compelling reasons why people would try Ubuntu. a bit simpler than that
[11:12] <mdke> a bit like Manu's http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/, except maybe better looking and simpler
[11:13] <Burgundavia> that is quite a few pages
[11:13] <mdke> yeah, simpler than that
[11:13] <ormiret> mdke: I think that should be doable on the main site then, we just need someone to make such a page :)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> ormiret: both mdke and myself can do tht
[11:14] <Burgundavia> we just need a page to move there
[11:14] <mdke> ormiret: maybe more biased than would be appropriate for the main site ;)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> if you create one on the wiki
[11:14] <ormiret> yeah, it was the writing the content that I meant
[11:14] <mdke> bit of propaganda
[11:14] <Burgundavia> everybody else screams how great they are from the main site
[11:14] <Burgundavia> http://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/clients/
[11:15] <Burgundavia> http://linspire.com/
[11:15] <Burgundavia> crap, look at apple
[11:23] <ompaul> Burgundavia, ehhn what informs the knowledge of what has changed?
[11:23] <ompaul> Burgundavia, worry wrt your mail
[11:24] <ompaul> sorry - if you know what I am saying fine if not I will try again in a minute
[11:25] <Burgundavia> ompaul: simply using edgy
[11:25] <Burgundavia> edgy-changes mailing list
[11:25] <Burgundavia> secret and inside knowledge
[11:25] <ompaul> Burgundavia, doh! I knew there was a list missing from my list of lists
[11:25] <ompaul> dapper-changes was great :)
[11:27] <ompaul> it should actually be the "ubuntu+1" list and then it would never change and it could be release name after a release
[11:27] <Burgundavia> usually jdub copies the names over
[11:28] <Burgundavia> there is no end of real projects that need real help, right now
[11:29] <jenda> Hmm...
[11:29] <jenda> Yo people...
[11:29] <ompaul> we got one new user yesterday at a computer fair :-) showed off a ubuntu desktop and gave away a clatter of CDs and DVDs
[11:29] <jenda> Since the fridge is now very open-minded... do you guys think that it might be viable to fuse it with SU somehow?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[11:30] <Burgundavia> what do you think is still missing from the fridge?
[11:30] <jenda> (I'm thinking - there are news stuck on the fridge... but what's inside? Something fresh and new for the new user - and also some deep freeze material for anyone to DL)
[11:30] <jenda> But I seriously need some sleep now :)
[11:31] <jenda> and that sparked the thought...
[11:33] <ompaul> jenda, be careful - see that mail I put on the list we have raised expectations we really need to address them :)
[11:33] <jenda> ompaul: I currently have over 200 unread mails on _that_ list.
[11:33] <jenda> :(
[11:33] <jenda> So it will take me a bit.
[11:35] <jenda> Ah - wow! Buntudot is merging with the fridge? That is great news to me :)
[11:35] <jenda> nixternal: confirm?
[11:35] <nixternal> no comments
[11:35] <nixternal> ;)
[11:35] <nixternal> i believe it has, sort of
[11:39] <jenda> OK
[11:39] <jenda> damn - just sent several duplicated emails ML&directly... I lost the hang of it during these three weeks :(
[11:42] <ompaul> jenda, most of the stuff has been sorted I suggest that you sort by thread and see if the thread has value (some of them don't and it is obvious early on ;-))
[11:42] <jenda> Sorted by thread by default ;)
[11:42] <jenda> (In the marketing ML directory)
[12:03] <jenda> Hmm... is there any chance of moving the ubuntu counter to count.ubunt.com?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> interesting idea