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| LaserJock | wow, I've got a ton of mail in my motu-reviewers box | 12:16 |
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| LaserJock | way to go | 12:16 |
| imbrandon_ | hehe | 12:17 |
| crimsun | hmm, impressively I have none | 12:17 |
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| imbrandon_ | this is gonna be fun i can already tell | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: you don't get motu-reviewers? | 12:19 |
| crimsun | I'm not subbed | 12:19 |
| crimsun | (iirc) | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | hehe, smart man | 12:20 |
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| LaserJock | mmm, nothing like Debian spam bugs :-) | 01:30 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs./ | 01:37 |
| gnomefreak | morning | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | hi Hobbsee! | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | ;) | 01:41 |
| imbrandon_ | moins everyone | 01:46 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon_ | 01:50 |
| === TheMuso has never seen so much traffic on motu-reviewers. | ||
| === Hobbsee isnt subscribed to there. | ||
| Hobbsee | so i dont know anything :P | 01:52 |
| Burgundavia | anybody uploading anything last week they think should be mentioned in UWN? | 01:52 |
| Burgundavia | new versions, new features, etc. | 01:52 |
| imbrandon_ | i'm not either, i get enough mail as is ;) | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: no sorry, i cant upload amarok till they release it | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: merges list is coming down though | 01:53 |
| Burgundavia | oh LaserJock, you owe the UWN a writeup on your MOTU school session | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: oh yeah | 01:57 |
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| welshbyte | how do i find out which package provides time-admin ? | 02:52 |
| micahcowan | welshbyte, time-admin is gnome-system-tools. | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | packages.ubuntu.com usually | 02:52 |
| micahcowan | You find this out by typing "dpkg -S /usr/bin/time-admin" (or whatever the path was) | 02:52 |
| welshbyte | ok thanks :) | 02:52 |
| micahcowan | but don't submit bugs to it... | 02:52 |
| welshbyte | ? | 02:52 |
| micahcowan | I was recently informed that it's not supposed to be in working order atm (that is, if you're running edgy?) | 02:53 |
| welshbyte | yep, it seems very broken | 02:53 |
| micahcowan | I submitted a couple bugs related to setting the time with it, and the NTP-install stuff... but the developers are very aware that it's broken, so it'd be more fruitful I guess to wait until it's "supposed" to be working, and then test it. :-) | 02:54 |
| welshbyte | hehe ok | 02:55 |
| micahcowan | There was some talk that they might just put the dapper version of time-admin back in, if necessary. They seem to be giving it a major API overhaul atm... | 02:55 |
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| welshbyte | well i'm glad you were around to tell me that, saved me a bit of bother :) | 02:58 |
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| Bazzi | hm, ntp and stuff actually works better for me than with dapper, in a vm that is | 03:11 |
| === bddebian pokes ajmitch | ||
| welshbyte | bddebian: still on revu strike? | 03:14 |
| bddebian | welshbyte: Nah but I would like him to tell me if I am doing something wrong | 03:14 |
| welshbyte | i'm curious too, it's been a while since he said "well..." | 03:15 |
| bddebian | What is this no .mo file crap from linda? | 03:16 |
| StevenK | bddebian: Crap. Thanks. | 03:17 |
| StevenK | bddebian: Can I have the complete message? | 03:18 |
| bddebian | StevenK: Thanks for what? | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file! | 03:20 |
| StevenK | Which version? | 03:20 |
| bddebian | StevenK: Of what? | 03:20 |
| StevenK | Of Linda | 03:20 |
| bddebian | Oh | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Dunno, these are all over some packages on REVU :-) | 03:21 |
| StevenK | Ah. | 03:21 |
| StevenK | Right. Who do I talk to about fixing Linda on REVU? | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Probably siretart | 03:22 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian: did you upload any packages last week that you think are worth mentioning in UWN? | 03:22 |
| StevenK | siretart: Ping | 03:22 |
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| bddebian | Burgundavia: I don't do anything of worth :-) | 03:22 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian: right | 03:22 |
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| bddebian | Heya tuxmaniac, TheMuso | 03:25 |
| tuxmaniac | bddebian> booo | 03:25 |
| tuxmaniac | bddebian> and am at home town with family :D | 03:25 |
| tuxmaniac | Yay! | 03:25 |
| bddebian | tuxmaniac: Cool | 03:26 |
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| welshbyte | where does python search for libraries/modules when you import them these days (i.e. in edgy)? | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages/ | 03:56 |
| welshbyte | d'oh, python-osd installs an empty /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyosd/ :( | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | Don't forget the python policy and python-central/python-support | 04:00 |
| welshbyte | all the files go in /usr/share/python-support/python-osd/pyosd | 04:00 |
| TheMuso | with /usr/share/python-{support,central} | 04:00 |
| welshbyte | should it be looking in there then? it can't seem to find the pyosd module | 04:00 |
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| LaserJock | I don't think they are installed there in the end | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | they should be installed to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages in the end | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | as /usr/share/python-* is not in Python's path I don't think | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 04:10 |
| welshbyte | right, so the python-osd package needs work? should i file a bug? | 04:10 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: no, they really do get installed there | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | postinst does symlink stuff | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | that's part of the new python policy - stored in one place rather than in /usr/lib/python2.x | 04:13 |
| welshbyte | in that case it looks like the symlinks aren't getting set up in python-osd | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | does python-central do symlinks as well? | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | I thought that was only python-support | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | check the policy & docs for them | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | but anyway, my point is that Python path hasn't changed | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2006-08-10 13:50 messages.py -> /usr/share/pycentral/pyflakes/site-packages/pyflakes/messages.py | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that's not for all python stuff? | 04:17 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| LaserJock | because you need to seperate python 2.3 from 2.4 and also 3.5 | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | 2.5 rather | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | that's why we dropped python2.x-foo binary packages & have the policy now | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | but they are still byte-compiled for each version | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | as far as I know | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | of course | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | otherwise you get a performance penalty each time you run stuff | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | so my understanding was that python-* byte compiled for all the installed python versioins | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | versions | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | but I could be getting really messed up | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | that's why installing stuff can be a bit slow | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | but it's best to do it then rather than compiling on every use | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | yes, I know | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | but my question was why /usr/share/pycentral/pyflakes/site-packages/pyflakes/messages.py doesn't have any versioning | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | because it's a .py | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | ah right | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | I did ls -la /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyflakes/ | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | and that was 1 file | 04:22 |
| === ajmitch knew that pyflakes at least uses pycentral | ||
| LaserJock | ok, well I gotta get going | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the info | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | ok, bye | 04:22 |
| welshbyte | so, should i file a bug on python-osd? :) | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | might as well | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | it has a missing postinst, so something is broken | 04:35 |
| bddebian | So ajmitch are you goint to tell me? | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Err going | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: hm? | 04:36 |
| imbrandon_ | [15:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm still working on your damn REVU stuff even though I'm probably doing them all wrong | 04:37 |
| imbrandon_ | [15:57] <ajmitch> well... | 04:37 |
| imbrandon_ | [15:58] <bddebian> well what? | 04:37 |
| ajmitch | and you've been waiting all this time? :) | 04:37 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 04:37 |
| bddebian | imbrandon_ :-) | 04:37 |
| imbrandon_ | he's been wondering all afternoon ;) | 04:37 |
| ajmitch | I don't think there was too much that I spotted that was badly wrong | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | just things like FTBFS - you could suggest Build-Depends: dpatch | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | in the case where that happened | 04:38 |
| imbrandon_ | ajmitch: you rember that ccache command to show the stats off the top of your head ? | 04:38 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ah | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | CCACHE_DIR=/path/-to/cache ccache -s | 04:39 |
| imbrandon_ | thanks | 04:39 |
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| imbrandon_ | hell yea, got it working , w00t | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon_: hm? | 04:40 |
| === imbrandon_ does a little pbuilder dance | ||
| imbrandon_ | heh finaly tookt he time to get ccache working with pbuilder the "right way" | 04:40 |
| imbrandon_ | took* | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | which is? | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | I'd love to hear what the "right way" is meant to be :) | 04:41 |
| imbrandon_ | the way i was doing it but you HAVE to set a BUILDUSERID and a BUILDUSERNAME or the $path dosent get transfered | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:41 |
| imbrandon_ | bug is pbuilder apparently ( got that from debian bts ) | 04:41 |
| imbrandon_ | thats why it wasent hitting my ccache dir before , it dident have both of those set | 04:42 |
| imbrandon_ | in the pbuilderrc | 04:42 |
| imbrandon_ | i set those and its working heheh | 04:42 |
| imbrandon_ | just tested with kdelibs lol | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | welshbyte: filed a bug? | 04:45 |
| imbrandon_ | ahh you mean about the "right way" , i mean that i got it working with the pbuilderrc instead of a hookdir script | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:45 |
| === ajmitch doesn't use a hook script for it | ||
| imbrandon_ | yea i WAS before but it s kinda a pita | 04:45 |
| imbrandon_ | and this is better , even if i clean the base or make a new one etc it still works | 04:46 |
| === ajmitch tries python-osd build again | ||
| welshbyte | ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/bugs/56187 | 04:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56187 in python-osd "python-osd doesn't set up symlinks to modules on install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | ok | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | I think I've fixed it now anyway | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | just rebuilding to check | 04:47 |
| welshbyte | cool | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | good, fixed, will upload & close bug | 04:49 |
| welshbyte | ajmitch: great, thanks :) | 04:49 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, anyone know much/anything about the LaTex license? | 05:09 |
| === imbrandon_ barly knows about his own drivers license | ||
| imbrandon_ | barely | 05:10 |
| imbrandon_ | haha bddebian check out the second comment down on this | 05:12 |
| imbrandon_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191480&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=15736530 | 05:12 |
| imbrandon_ | thats classic | 05:12 |
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| bddebian | imbrandon_: Heh :-) | 05:14 |
| imbrandon_ | hrm anyone know how to assign a mouse key to a keyboard key , ie make ummm ctl+f12 "right click" ? | 05:16 |
| bddebian | imbrandon_: In what, X? | 05:16 |
| imbrandon_ | yea X and/or kde | 05:17 |
| bddebian | I think you can do it in xorg.conf can you? | 05:17 |
| imbrandon_ | preferably x so i can use the same key in gnome/kde | 05:17 |
| imbrandon_ | dunno , actualy the reason i ask is f12 used to ( still does ) in dapper "right click" my mouse on my ibook ( since there is no right mouse button ) | 05:18 |
| imbrandon_ | but in edgy that functionality seems to be gone | 05:18 |
| imbrandon_ | i'm sure a config is just not set right but i dunno what makes it happen, i guess xorg.conf might ;) | 05:18 |
| imbrandon_ | i'm assumeing in dapper X did it not kde becouse gnome/kde both used the same binding too | 05:19 |
| imbrandon_ | not that big of a deal but annoying to not beable to "right click" heh | 05:20 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:25 |
| bddebian | OK, reviewing is starting to get boring :-( | 05:26 |
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| imbrandon_ | hehe | 05:57 |
| welshbyte | wow how'd it get to 5am | 06:01 |
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| imbrandon_ | ahh ajmitch you probably know most if not all whats on this page , but if not check it out, i found it very usefull when messing with the "advanced" pbuilder stuff like ccache and distcc | 06:45 |
| imbrandon_ | http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html | 06:45 |
| imbrandon_ | i might try to wikify some of that for the CategoryMOTU later as it took me FOREVER to figure some of those things out | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | cool | 06:46 |
| imbrandon_ | heya LaserJock ;) | 06:47 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:53 |
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| imbrandon | wb Hobbsee | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | guess what ? hehe | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: do tell :P | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you fixed the machine? | 07:55 |
| StevenK | He broke it harder? | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | my domain transfer FINALY went through, now i just got to setup my email account again so i dont miss any email | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | whiule the dns server arround the world update | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: ohh yea the machine is fixed up too | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hey, there's a merge listed for wine on MoM - you might want to do that one | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | it only took 10 minutes of so to build a new base.gz | 07:56 |
| === imbrandon grumbles hehe | ||
| imbrandon | who's is it ? | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | dont remember. someone elses | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | but you're free to take it over | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee, imbrandon. | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 07:57 |
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| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: i probably will later tonight i would just like to atleaste ping whomever so we dont dupe work | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: of course. although i'm just stealing anyone's by now | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | hrm go i put my homegrown cms back on imbrandon.com or wordpress or soemthing else *thinks* | 07:58 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee: dig imbrandon.com , see if your dns has updated yet, or if its still some that hasent | 08:00 |
| === Hobbsee pastes that in a query | ||
| imbrandon | dig should say ns#.dreamhost.com | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | if its updated | 08:00 |
| Hobbsee | dont think so | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | *pokes* | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | ah :) | 08:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: is kxdocker supposed to work ootb now? | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | yea it will probably take another 24-48 hrs now | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | for everyones to update | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | hrm i havent tried kxdocker on edgy yet | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | on dapper you have to "mess" with the config to make it useable | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | but it "works" | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | why? | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: got a user asking about it, for dapper | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | he's had fun fighting it :P | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | ohhh btw i tried k3b on 2 diffrent computers with fresh edgy installs and all its missing is it needs kdesu in the .desktop | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | if you kdesu it it works fine, i dunno what all this talk about kernel stuff is | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | infact i just burned 2 ppc iso's one of 6.06.1 and both worked fine ( one kubuntu one plain ubuntu ) | 08:06 |
| Hobbsee | why are you having to run cd burning software as root anywya? | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | becouse it "writes" to the /dev/cdrom afaik | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | i thought you always had to | 08:06 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: did you change the --update-alternatives back? | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | YES , add $editor to your ~/.bashrc please | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 08:07 |
| === imbrandon cant get used to vim{m} | ||
| crimsun | Hobbsee: direct/raw block device access requires root privileges. | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | yea what crimsun said ;) | 08:08 |
| crimsun | because we don't suid-root cdrecord, you have to su{,do} | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | right... | 08:09 |
| === TheMuso has never had to run cdrecord with sudo. | ||
| Hobbsee | funny, the lag to a box in sydney is much less than a lag to the US. | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | And I don't suid either. | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: What were you expecting? | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: and thats not what you were expecting ? | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: actually, lag to the US has gotten worse recently. | 08:12 |
| === TheMuso remembers what lag from Paris to Sydney was like. | ||
| crimsun | TheMuso: you can -scanbus without errors? | 08:12 |
| TheMuso | Oh scanbus, no. | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | scanbus ? | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | yay, i found a newer copy of my .bashrc :) | 08:14 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: no | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | lol Hobbsee set a crontab to tar.gz your /home once a week and rsync it somewhere offsite | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:14 |
| crimsun | if you're in the cdrom group, you can actually write cds/dvds without being root (by virtue of your /dev/sgX device being owned by root:cdrom) | 08:15 |
| crimsun | you just won't have permission to change your scheduling priority | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yes. offsite is the problem. | 08:15 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt exactly *have* an offsite. | ||
| crimsun | if you write to an atapi device, this is moot | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: i gave ya 2 gigs on buntudot.org and if you dont put it in ~/public you cant get to it from the web | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: point. | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | hopefully your /home tar.gz isnt over 2 gigs , just stick it in your ~/ on buntudot ;) | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i'ts not | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | see , a crontab once a week for that would work ;0 | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | and be secure becosue its not in the ~/public folder , if your paranoid encrypt it ( with something OTHER than your gnupg key lol ) | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | hah. i wouldnt be stupid enough to stick it in /public. | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | IE no one can get it but you if its not in ~/public | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | even so like i said if your realy paranoid encrypt it though, but IMHO its not that big of a deal as ling as its not publicly accessable | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | but thats just my 0.2c | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | what happened to imake? | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | true | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | imake ? | 08:20 |
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| Hobbsee | it was a package in breezy/dapper | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | it got removed. | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | probably a reason, anyhow , afk a few , i'm going to load ubuntu on my laptop , tis OSX only atm | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | guess i could get on voyager while i do this hehe | 08:24 |
| TheMuso | voyager? | 08:24 |
| crimsun | yes, it was removed because we resynced with Debian's X.Org packaging for Edgy | 08:24 |
| TheMuso | You mean startrek voyager? | 08:24 |
| crimsun | the xutils-dev binary package contains an imake executable, so the imake source+binary packages "went away" | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso: all my computers are named after ST ships ( my main build machine is voyager , main file server enterprise , amd64 intrepid , etc etc etc ) | 08:25 |
| crimsun | you were probably idling in -x when we discussed this, Hobbsee | 08:25 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: aah | 08:25 |
| crimsun | (then again, maybe not; this was several weeks ago at least) | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: right...okay | 08:27 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: so depend on xutils-dev instead of imake? | 08:28 |
| Hobbsee | bugger. i'll have to reupload that then. | 08:30 |
| crimsun | correct | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | ah great. tarball out of date too. | 08:33 |
| === Hobbsee just uploaded a package that ftbfs :P | ||
| Hobbsee | guess i should fix that :P | 08:36 |
| Hobbsee | fixed. | 08:43 |
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| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Get your act together. :p | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: heh. i'll try to. | 08:44 |
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| AnAnt | is there a way to use pbuilder environment for compiling arbitrarily ? | 09:13 |
| AnAnt | ie. unpack a pbuilder environment to try compiling ? | 09:13 |
| crimsun | meaning "compiling random undebianised source?" | 09:15 |
| crimsun | yes, you can accomplish such with pbuilder hooks | 09:15 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: what's that ? | 09:15 |
| crimsun | I wouldn't necessarily recommend such a use case, but... | 09:15 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: what's pbuilder hooks ? | 09:15 |
| crimsun | pbuilder(8) has some works about shell/perl/etc. scripts you can use to manipulate [stuff into] pbuilder. | 09:16 |
| crimsun | s/work/word/ | 09:16 |
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| AnAnt | crimsun: so I can get an interactive shell in pbuilder using these hooks ? | 09:19 |
| crimsun | you can get an interactive shell just by using the login target | 09:20 |
| crimsun | the hooks are for other uses (think copying stuff) | 09:20 |
| AnAnt | cool ! that's what I want | 09:20 |
| AnAnt | ok, so how does one get a dependancy in pbuilder environment ? | 09:21 |
| AnAnt | apt-get also ? | 09:21 |
| crimsun | apt-get install, yes. | 09:23 |
| Toadstool | 'morning everybody | 09:23 |
| AnAnt | k, thanks | 09:24 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning Toadstool | 09:24 |
| crimsun | hi | 09:24 |
| crimsun | Toadstool has some pbuilder hooks iirc | 09:24 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: that would get it from the cache if it is available, right ? | 09:24 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: yes | 09:24 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: thanks a lot for the help | 09:24 |
| Toadstool | hey Gloubiboulga, crimsun | 09:25 |
| crimsun | I haven't really done anything except for spit pbuilder(8) at you ;) | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | hrm is *.ubuntu.com down for anyone else? specificly the wiki | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: yes, and the downtime is probably unplanned | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | ok np, just wanted to make sure it wasnt my flacky isp | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | not a big deal | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:57 |
| crimsun | you know, "back in the old days" (I think in the hoary dev cycle), *.ubuntu.com went down every Sunday morning | 09:58 |
| crimsun | it got to the point when we just said, oh it must be Sunday cos Apache's down | 09:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | LP goes off tuesday nights | 09:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | ah, back in the day... | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 09:59 |
| === ajmitch is reading some of the links from sounder | ||
| ajmitch | one guy writing about "What Canonical doesn't want you to know" | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | entertaining stuff | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | yea i read that earlier | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | kinda funny | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | he just seems mad becouse we have a "community" | 09:59 |
| === ajmitch is yet another brainwashed cult member | ||
| imbrandon | lol me too i guess ;) | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | BUT he does back my point up that the debian site is cr*p /me looks at crimsun | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | being in a cult is supposed to be hard, with lots of pointless work | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: sounds about right | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | you seen how many bugs we have to fix on malone? | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: and thats chnges his comment how? | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | right | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | all for this elusive 'karma; | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: hahaha just file 3 or 4 specs if you wanna karma whore | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:01 |
| === ajmitch wonders what our Glorious Leader has to say for us today | ||
| Burgundavia | all to make us more integrated into the community, whereupon we get more pointless work | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol ajmitch | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: the glorious leader spoke directly with me today | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :o | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:02 |
| === Kamping_Kaiser tortures Burgundavia for words | ||
| Burgundavia | he told me about his plans | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: great, where'd you see him? | 10:02 |
| === imbrandon is wondering if your refering to sab | ||
| Burgundavia | hm pm | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | ah | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | he pm'ed me | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | I thought you meant in person | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | hard to keep track of where he is at any time | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | sabdfl ? | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | i talked to him about umm 2 days ago PM , well infact that was the only time i ever talked to him directly | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | I wonder what this guy must think of the debian cult - it's nearly all volunteer work | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | that and i was trying to figure out what "canonical dosent want you to know ..." every thing he said is very public , even posted on ubuntu.com mostly | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | it's meant to lend an air of mystery | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: the easiest way to hide something is in plain sight | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | like revealing some dark, sordid secret | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | just looks like FUD to cash in on some "hits" form a sensational headline to me | 10:05 |
| === ajmitch reads UWN #9 | ||
| imbrandon | he said he would take a "technical" look at it but i see nothing technical about the artical tbh | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | it was a giant rant | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: tell me if you think I imply that there is any connection between jdub leaving and jono coming, in 9 | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | almost a foaming-at-the-mouth type of rant | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: yes | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | *ubuntu* does get alot of press though, but honestly i think rightly so | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: yea | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: only because you mention it - knowing some of what goes on lends a different perspective for me reading it | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: you agreeing to my question to ajmitch? | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | right | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | [03:06] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: tell me if you think I imply that there is any connection between jdub leaving and jono coming, in 9 <-- yea | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | jdub emailed me and told me off for it | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | curious | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | why? i dont see the problem with it | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | community manager was never jdub's real job | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | jono is not really replacing jdub | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | even if it was / or he is , dident jdub leave on his own choice ? | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | certainly | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | i dont see the issue then tbh | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | I don't see a big issue, but I will add a not to next weeks issue | 10:09 |
| imbrandon | its not like anyone is downing jdubs work, i think he did and does great | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | pass the text by jdub first | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | he can edit it just like anyone else | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | I refuse to cater to one person | 10:10 |
| === Hobbsee noted the connection earlier, but thought it was unfounded. | ||
| Burgundavia | jdub pisses me off sometimes | 10:10 |
| === ajmitch should remember to file a bug on mesa | ||
| Burgundavia | what really pisses me off is that I had several people review it, including crimsun, and nobody said anything | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | wonderfull , 6.06.1 just failed to install yaboot , now i got to figure out how to get a traceback off a uninstalled system to file a usefull bug | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: like i said tbh i dont see a probelm with it even if it did infer that but maybe i just dont see a problem becouse i'm not directly involved , dunno , thats just me | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | right | 10:12 |
| imbrandon | just becouse he is not a canonical employee dosent mean he'll stop contributing to ubuntu either from what i've seen he still is and plans to , but again i havent ask him personaly , just what ive noticed myself | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | anyhow thats their cup of tea, best if i stay clear as i realy dont know the half of it, but to a peon like me its no big deal | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | brb more mt dew | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | ugh this sucks, ok i have the lappy with no internet atm becouse its on a live cd and no wireless drivers installed yet, ubiguity crashes 2 time in the same place with the same traceback so its definate bug , but i have no way to get the file off other then my ipod | 10:19 |
| imbrandon | now the funny part, my ipod is formatted hfs and the darn comp wont read it | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:20 |
| === imbrandon hates bugs sometimes | ||
| imbrandon | i guess i could reformat my ipod to fat32 but then i would have to reput all that music on it , 4gigs of songs over usb2 is slow | 10:21 |
| TheMuso | heh | 10:21 |
| TheMuso | WHy not use the alternate cd? | 10:21 |
| imbrandon | anyone else have a better idea before i format the ipod just to file this bug | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso: i will now BUT that dont make the bug do away ;) | 10:22 |
| TheMuso | I know. | 10:22 |
| TheMuso | But its an idea. :p | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | for that matter i have an old dapper cd that work and i can just dist upgrade ;) | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | i'd like to get the installer/syslog and syslog and partman and traceback off | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | to make a good bug report heh | 10:23 |
| TheMuso | Fair enough. | 10:23 |
| TheMuso | What wireless drivers does it need? | 10:23 |
| TheMuso | And did you try the hfsplus filesystem? | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | orinoco drivers ( airport in an ibook ) | 10:24 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 10:24 |
| TheMuso | Try hfsplus first | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | hfsplus wont write to a journaled file system | 10:24 |
| TheMuso | modinfo hfsplus | 10:24 |
| TheMuso | Oh ok. | 10:25 |
| TheMuso | Does the Ipod use hfsplus? | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | i'd have to turn the journaling off and tbh i dunno how to do that on an ipod | 10:25 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | yea it can eather use hfs+ or fat32 , i choose hfs when i formated it | 10:25 |
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| TheMuso | Damn. | 10:26 |
| TheMuso | DO you still have any unpartitioned space on the machine? | 10:26 |
| TheMuso | the hard disk rather | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | hrm i still have the osx partition and the journalings turned off on it | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | good call | 10:27 |
| === ajmitch doesn't have any toys like that, quite sad | ||
| imbrandon | toy's ? hehe all i have is an ipod | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | it's enough of a toy | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | ipod was a fathers day gift ;) | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | ah :) | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | I see Hobbsee is still merging | 10:30 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i was, yeah | 10:30 |
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| phanatic | morning | 11:18 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning phanatic | 11:20 |
| phanatic | hi Gloubiboulga | 11:20 |
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| Fujitsu | Good evening, phanatic, Gloubiboulga. | 11:21 |
| phanatic | evening Fujitsu | 11:21 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello Fujitsu | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | nexu: ping | 11:34 |
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| nexu | ajmitch: pong | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | nexu: are you associated with the files in http://files.beep-media-player.org/packages/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/ ? | 11:41 |
| nexu | yes | 11:43 |
| siretart | StevenK: pong | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | nexu: I just spent half an hour trying to figure out a bug with a user that was due to broken backports from there | 11:43 |
| nexu | ajmitch: what is exactly the problem ? | 11:44 |
| === ajmitch is not happy | ||
| nexu | ajmitch: is it related to python2.4-dbus ? | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | no, libdbus-1-cil | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | backporting dbus is crackful in itself | 11:44 |
| nexu | hmm i used the exact script from edgy | 11:45 |
| nexu | from a while back | 11:45 |
| siretart | nexu: did you check what effects a different environment has? | 11:45 |
| nexu | so what was wrong about it ? | 11:46 |
| nexu | i'm interested in it | 11:46 |
| siretart | no idea. I don't touch dbus for exactly these reasons.. | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | the assembly simply couldn't be loaded at all | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | it wasn't in the GAC | 11:46 |
| nexu | i lost you there; what is GAC? | 11:46 |
| === ajmitch nods | ||
| ajmitch | that's why you need to understand a package to touch it | 11:47 |
| StevenK | siretart: Hey. I wanted to fix Linda on REVU. | 11:47 |
| siretart | nexu: the GAC is the global assembly cache, I assume | 11:47 |
| StevenK | siretart: How do I go about this? | 11:48 |
| nexu | uurh ok | 11:48 |
| siretart | StevenK: oh, right. do you have a fixed linda for breezy? | 11:48 |
| StevenK | Breezy!? | 11:48 |
| siretart | tiber still runs breezy, we didn't upgrade yet | 11:48 |
| nexu | so what was the symptoms and issues it raied with the borqed backport i made ? | 11:49 |
| nexu | raised* | 11:49 |
| StevenK | siretart: I can make one. | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | nexu: as I said - the assembly cannot be found in the GAC | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | so it can't be loaded | 11:49 |
| siretart | my laptop broke yesterday while upgrading to edgy | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | which breaks pretty much any mono desktop apps (banshee, muine, tomboy, f-spot, etc) | 11:49 |
| siretart | I'm currently reinstalling. don't have time to investigate the breakage :/ | 11:49 |
| StevenK | That reminds me, I need to upgrade a server to Dapper. | 11:49 |
| StevenK | My work got their first Ubuntu server installed last week. | 11:50 |
| siretart | StevenK: I intended to upgrade it this weekend :( | 11:50 |
| StevenK | siretart: Heh. This weekend is nearly gone. | 11:50 |
| nexu | ajmitch: those dbus lib has been on there for perhaps almost a month now, i havent heard about this before or i would have either taken them down or something | 11:50 |
| siretart | StevenK: and my laptop is still broken ;) | 11:50 |
| siretart | StevenK: I still have 12h weekend | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: but broken is fun. | 11:51 |
| StevenK | siretart: I will make/hack a package together for Breezy, and also for Dapper. | 11:51 |
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| nexu | siretart: was that on your machine ? | 11:52 |
| === ajmitch should really consider having some food as well | ||
| zanaga | is it too late to get a package from debian pushed to edgy universe? (currently there is no such package in unverse) | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | zanaga: no, you've got until sept 7 to do that | 11:53 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: not if you have a thesis to write ;) | 11:53 |
| zanaga | ok.. that's good to know. What is the right way to get a package pulled? | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: heh. | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | zanaga: file a bug about it, get a MOTU to ack it, if you arent one yourself, and subscribe ubuntu-archive | 11:54 |
| zanaga | Hobbsee, ok. I'll do that once i get the next version upload out of the way. | 11:55 |
| zanaga | Hobbsee, thanks | 11:55 |
| Hobbsee | zanaga: not a problem | 11:55 |
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| ubuntu_demon | hi | 11:58 |
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| Hobbsee | hi ubuntu_demon | 12:00 |
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| StevenK | siretart: tiber is i386? | 12:13 |
| StevenK | Oh, what does it matter, Linda is arch: all | 12:14 |
| siretart | StevenK: yes | 12:14 |
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| StevenK | siretart: Piong | 12:34 |
| StevenK | Ping, even | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | the new form of greeting. piong. | 12:35 |
| === StevenK pouts at Hobbsee. | ||
| === Hobbsee tickles StevenK | ||
| === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. | ||
| === Hobbsee drops icecubes down StevenK's back. | ||
| siretart | StevenK: yes? | 12:35 |
| StevenK | Grah | 12:35 |
| StevenK | siretart: How do you want this package? | 12:36 |
| siretart | can I trust a debian developer? ;) | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: such as StevenK? no. | 12:37 |
| StevenK | The correct answer is 'No'. | 12:37 |
| === StevenK high fives Hobbsee. | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:37 |
| siretart | ok. then as source. :) | 12:37 |
| StevenK | siretart: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/linda/breezy/ | 12:38 |
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| === Fujitsu sends welshbyte back to sleep. | ||
| welshbyte | i probably need it | 01:18 |
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| Toadstool | siretart: "/usr/bin/revu-build: line 106: libaudacious3.0.0_1.1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.lintian: Permission denied" on tiber, with revu-report :) | 01:47 |
| siretart | Toadstool: interesting.. | 01:51 |
| siretart | Toadstool: which source package is that? | 01:53 |
| Toadstool | siretart: audacious | 01:53 |
| siretart | Toadstool: relogin, should work then | 01:57 |
| Toadstool | ok, thanks | 01:58 |
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| Toadstool | siretart: it worked, thanks a lot :) | 02:12 |
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| welshbyte | '-*-bitstream vera sans-bold-r-*-*-*-240-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1' <-- what exactly are those things? | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | fonts? | 03:01 |
| tseng | forge, font name, weight, size, charset.... | 03:02 |
| tseng | xfontsel breaks it down if you really cared | 03:02 |
| welshbyte | i really care, thanks :) | 03:03 |
| tseng | these days we rarely bother with such detail | 03:03 |
| tseng | fontconfig | 03:03 |
| gnomefreak | is there a deadline on merges? | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: sept 7, universe freeze? | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | well, after that you need exceptions | 03:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | Hobbsee, the deadline has changed? | 03:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | I thought it was sept 28 | 03:06 |
| gnomefreak | ok cool so the 2 i want to do can wait til 08/27 | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: right, so i've rmemebered wrong? | 03:06 |
| gnomefreak | Gloubiboulga: seethats bad | 03:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | oh, wiki's back | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Gloubiboulga: ahhh...you're right. | 03:08 |
| === Hobbsee still doesnt understand that. | ||
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| Hobbsee | how do we have a feature freeze for all of ubuntu, then have a main freeze after that? | 03:08 |
| gnomefreak | oh nvm i thought you said aug. 28th | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | s/main/universe/ | 03:08 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:15 |
| phanatic | hey bdde | 03:16 |
| phanatic | bddebian: :) | 03:16 |
| bddebian | Hi phanatic | 03:16 |
| phanatic | hit return before tab :) | 03:16 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:17 |
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| TheMuso | Night folks | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | night TheMuso | 03:23 |
| gnomefreak | night TheMuso | 03:24 |
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| Seveas | Hobbsee, please bump the gtk-dev build-depends for monkey-bubble to 2.10 -- configure fails with older gtk | 03:45 |
| Seveas | which screws over backporting | 03:45 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: gotcha | 03:45 |
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| Hobbsee | Seveas: i'm not terribly familiar with them :( | 03:46 |
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| Hobbsee | Seveas: build depends should read: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.10), cdbs, librsvg2-dev, libgstreamer-gconf0.8-dev, libxml2-dev, libgnomeui-dev, libglade2-dev, gconf2, libgstreamer0.10-dev, libxml-parser-perl, docbook-to-man, scrollkeeper, gnome-doc-utils | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 03:50 |
| Seveas | !info libgtk2.0-dev edgy | 03:50 |
| ubotu | Package libgtk20-dev does not exist in edgy | 03:50 |
| Seveas | heh, bug in ubotu | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | now *that's* interesting :P | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 03:51 |
| Seveas | yeah | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | you should fix that | 03:51 |
| Seveas | already on it | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: what else do i need to bump? | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | this package hasnt been touched since breezy. | 03:51 |
| Seveas | the rest should be ok | 03:52 |
| neutrinomass | When a package installs an icon in /usr/share/foo/, but it should also go in /usr/share/pixmaps, is duplicating the icon in both locations the right way to do it ? | 03:52 |
| redguy | a softlink seems a better approach | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | er, i'm thinking taht libgstreamer-gconf0.8-dev may be wrong too. | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder if that builds without it. | 03:53 |
| neutrinomass | Yes, that's what I think too but I vaguely remember hearing a long time ago that symlinks should for some reason be avoided... | 03:53 |
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| Seveas | Hobbsee, the libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.10) should be ok, that exists in edgy -- did you bump gstreamer to 0.10? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: yes | 03:54 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, 0.8 and 0.10 aren't compatible, you shouldn't just bump | 03:55 |
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| Hobbsee | iirc upstream changed it? | 03:55 |
| === Seveas checks | ||
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| dsas | Is there any need for an MTA do have reccomends on every MUA in the archive? | 03:56 |
| dsas | s/do/to | 03:56 |
| dsas | see bug 56238 | 03:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56238 in aptitude "Install Recommended packages automaticaly should be disabled by default" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56238 | 03:56 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, right, monkey-bubble does gst-0.10 now | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: that's what i thought i read, yes. | 03:57 |
| Seveas | I think you should just drop the gstreamer0.8-gconf dep | 03:57 |
| Goshawk | i've problem with pbuilder, can someone help me? | 03:57 |
| Seveas | I'll try a testbuild without it | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i'm just trying that now | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | Seveas: i'm not that much of an idiot to bump gstreamer 0.8 to 0.12 at random. | 03:58 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, heh | 03:58 |
| Seveas | You had me worried though ;) | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | s/0.12/0.10/ | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | i'm bumping to versions that dont exist yet! woo! | 03:59 |
| Seveas | sigh -- my pbuilder is broken | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: considering i've done the last couple of uploads of amarok, i should hope i'd get the build-deps right. although, we dont ship amarok-gstreamer anymore, i guess | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: how'd you break it? | 04:00 |
| Toadstool | dsas: postfix doesn't recommend *every* MUA | 04:00 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, -ENOCLUE, I'm just wiping it now | 04:00 |
| dsas | Toadstool: Not every, but a fair few - including emacs. | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: ah okay | 04:00 |
| Toadstool | dsas: uh? it just recommends mail-reader | 04:00 |
| dsas | Toadstool: Ah, I wondered what that was. | 04:01 |
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| dsas | Toadstool: But all apt based tools will automatically install all reccomended packages in edgy afaik, will that mean it tries to install all of those? | 04:01 |
| Seveas | no | 04:02 |
| Seveas | just one | 04:02 |
| Toadstool | dsas: which means that if you have a package providing mail-reader installed, apt/aptitude/whatever will not try to install another mail-reader | 04:02 |
| dsas | ok, sorry for the confusion. Out of interest if you don't have a package providing mail-reader how does it choose which one to install? | 04:03 |
| === Hobbsee still hasnt figured how all of that works. | ||
| Hobbsee | i should do that though | 04:03 |
| Toadstool | dsas: no idea :) | 04:10 |
| dsas | Toadstool: Ok, I'll reject the bug anyway | 04:10 |
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| Sp4rKy | hey | 04:20 |
| Sp4rKy | please MOTUs | 04:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i need some help | 04:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm packaging audacious | 04:21 |
| Sp4rKy | and the library libaudacious is buggued | 04:21 |
| Sp4rKy | it soname is 3.0.0 whereas it should be 3 | 04:22 |
| Sp4rKy | and upstream doesn't want modify the libaudacious | 04:22 |
| Sp4rKy | so what could i do ? | 04:22 |
| bmonty | Sp4rKy: do you know what rdepends on libaudacious? | 04:29 |
| Sp4rKy | rdepends doesn't seems to be the issue | 04:30 |
| bmonty | bmonty: Sp4rKy, I'm not sure of the answer to your question, but I would want to know if changing the soname of the lib would effect any other packages | 04:31 |
| Sp4rKy | no | 04:32 |
| Sp4rKy | libaudacious is only used by audacious | 04:32 |
| Sp4rKy | but if i call my package libaudacious3 , lintian says soname must be libaudacious3.0.0 | 04:34 |
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| tseng | proper so naming has little to do with who uses it | 04:45 |
| tseng | if your library had zero users, you should get your soname right | 04:45 |
| Sp4rKy | how ? | 04:48 |
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| Lutin | hi | 05:15 |
| Lutin | is there a way to massively sign packages without having to give the password each time ? | 05:17 |
| bmonty | Lutin: take the password off your key (not recommended) | 05:17 |
| Lutin | bmonty, no other way, such as a gpg-agent, smthg like that ? | 05:18 |
| bmonty | Lutin: not that I know of | 05:18 |
| Lutin | **argh** | 05:19 |
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| Lutin | bmonty, how could I take the password off my gpg key ? | 06:05 |
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| visik7 | how can I get dpkg-buildpackage to run make with -j3 ? | 06:27 |
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| bddebian | visik7: You need to modify the make line in debian/rules | 06:33 |
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| visik7 | bddebian: isn't there a global var ? | 07:26 |
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| bddebian | visik7: Yes, but it would still need put in debian/rules | 07:51 |
| visik7 | I dunno why usually if I run fakeroot debian/rules -j3 binary it works why I can't get the same with dpkg-buildpackage? | 07:51 |
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| bddebian | visik7: Are you just trying to do this for yourself or are you trying to fix some package? | 08:24 |
| visik7 | bddebian: no I'm backporting a program but I'm on a dual processor and I would like to get advantge from this | 08:24 |
| bddebian | visik7: You should be able to use something like DEB_BUILD_OPTS or some other to do it | 08:25 |
| visik7 | thanks | 08:25 |
| visik7 | is it documented somewhere? | 08:26 |
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| AstralJava | Hey all, a starting MOTU-wannabe here asking; what is the best way to run Edgy in a virtual machine on a Dapper laptop? | 08:29 |
| bmonty | AstralJava: you can use vmware | 08:30 |
| bmonty | it is in the multiverse repo | 08:30 |
| AstralJava | bmonty: the player one? | 08:31 |
| bmonty | AstralJava: yup | 08:31 |
| visik7 | parallels on vt hardware is faster than vmware | 08:31 |
| AstralJava | bmonty: Okay then, thanks! | 08:31 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Hmmm... vt hardware, whazzat? | 08:32 |
| bmonty | AstralJava: I use www.easyvmx.com to create the machine configs for the player | 08:32 |
| visik7 | processors that support VT like Intel CoreDuo pentium D 9xx and Merom/Conroe | 08:33 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Ahh... okay this is a Pentium M proc. | 08:34 |
| visik7 | so no VT | 08:34 |
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| AstralJava | visik7: Figured. :) Thanks anyway. | 08:35 |
| AstralJava | That easyvmx site seems to have issues... | 08:36 |
| visik7 | btw I prefere to debootstrap edgy on a directory and chroot in it | 08:37 |
| visik7 | faster and harmless | 08:37 |
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| tomveens | hi | 08:38 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Right, got a pointer for instructions on that one? | 08:38 |
| visik7 | AstralJava: man debootstrap have an example on how to do it | 08:38 |
| tomveens | wher can I go if I have a question on the egroupware package? | 08:38 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Silly me, of course. :) Thanks! | 08:38 |
| visik7 | at the bottom of the manpage | 08:39 |
| visik7 | there is an example | 08:39 |
| visik7 | don't follow it step by step 'couse is old and for debian just use it to figure out the steps | 08:39 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Sure thing, I'm on my way. Thanks for the help you guys! :) | 08:40 |
| visik7 | things like modifying your fstab and your inittab aren't so smart | 08:40 |
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| tomveens | when I install the egroupware package than it uninstalls the apache php5 modules | 09:03 |
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| AstralJava | visik7: I see that modifying fstab everywhere that mentions deboostrapping edgy, why is it not smart? | 09:17 |
| visik7 | as you want I don't like to do it | 09:17 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Okay. :) But lemme understand why modifying fstab isn't smart, granted I don't yet understand how a POSIX system works, but I suspect that adding /proc -section is important, no? | 09:21 |
| AstralJava | visik7: I kinda get that inittab part though. | 09:21 |
| visik7 | AstralJava: is important yes but you are editing fstab of the host machine for settings that impact on a guest machine | 09:22 |
| visik7 | if we can call this chroot a machine | 09:22 |
| visik7 | btw | 09:22 |
| visik7 | I prefere script that mount proc for the chrooted directory and then chroot in it | 09:22 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Ahh... now I see. Thanks for clearing that for me. | 09:23 |
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| visik7 | AstralJava: have you debootsrapped edgy ? | 09:46 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Yuppers. :) Now doing the same for dapper, so I can triage some bugs since my main conf is dist-upgraded from hoary. | 09:46 |
| visik7 | :) | 09:47 |
| visik7 | but you had /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy ? | 09:48 |
| AstralJava | I decided to make scripts for mounting as well, just haven't figured out how to automagically umount when exiting the chroot. | 09:48 |
| AstralJava | visik7: No, I downloaded the new debootstrap from edgy repository. | 09:48 |
| visik7 | oh :) a link to dapper was enough | 09:48 |
| AstralJava | visik7: Err.... sorry can't follow? | 09:50 |
| visik7 | nevermind | 09:50 |
| AstralJava | :) | 09:50 |
| visik7 | timetogo | 09:51 |
| visik7 | bye | 09:51 |
| AstralJava | Bye, and thanks again! | 09:51 |
| welshbyte | where can i find a good tutorial for writing man pages? | 09:52 |
| bmonty | welshbyte: use google, there are tutorials out there | 09:54 |
| crimsun | e.g., http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=8925/ur0312i/ | 09:54 |
| welshbyte | bmonty: yeah i did and it found lots, just wondered if i could get a recommend from more experienced people :) | 09:54 |
| welshbyte | crimsun: thanks | 09:55 |
| bmonty | welshbyte: I think the last time I had to make a man page, I just copied one from some other package and modified it | 09:55 |
| welshbyte | bmonty: cheat ;) | 09:55 |
| bmonty | welshbyte: I prefer to think of it as efficient :) | 09:56 |
| welshbyte | hehe | 09:57 |
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