=== mwolson [i=mwolson@fsf/member/mwolson] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] wow, I've got a ton of mail in my motu-reviewers box [12:16] way to go [12:17] hehe [12:17] hmm, impressively I have none === imbrandon_ is trying to run windows on xen without a vt processor [12:17] this is gonna be fun i can already tell [12:19] crimsun: you don't get motu-reviewers? [12:19] I'm not subbed [12:19] (iirc) [12:20] hehe, smart man === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50801293.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-168-5.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] mmm, nothing like Debian spam bugs :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] morning all [01:37] Hey MOTUs./ [01:38] morning [01:40] hi Hobbsee! [01:41] ;) [01:46] moins everyone [01:50] Hey imbrandon_ === TheMuso has never seen so much traffic on motu-reviewers. === Hobbsee isnt subscribed to there. [01:52] so i dont know anything :P [01:52] anybody uploading anything last week they think should be mentioned in UWN? [01:52] new versions, new features, etc. [01:52] i'm not either, i get enough mail as is ;) [01:53] Burgundavia: no sorry, i cant upload amarok till they release it [01:53] Burgundavia: merges list is coming down though [01:55] oh LaserJock, you owe the UWN a writeup on your MOTU school session [01:57] Burgundavia: oh yeah === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-82.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@adsl-221-42-141.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] how do i find out which package provides time-admin ? [02:52] welshbyte, time-admin is gnome-system-tools. [02:52] packages.ubuntu.com usually [02:52] You find this out by typing "dpkg -S /usr/bin/time-admin" (or whatever the path was) [02:52] ok thanks :) [02:52] but don't submit bugs to it... [02:52] ? [02:53] I was recently informed that it's not supposed to be in working order atm (that is, if you're running edgy?) [02:53] yep, it seems very broken [02:54] I submitted a couple bugs related to setting the time with it, and the NTP-install stuff... but the developers are very aware that it's broken, so it'd be more fruitful I guess to wait until it's "supposed" to be working, and then test it. :-) [02:55] hehe ok [02:55] There was some talk that they might just put the dapper version of time-admin back in, if necessary. They seem to be giving it a major API overhaul atm... === RadiantFire [n=ryan@64.203.238.119] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [02:58] well i'm glad you were around to tell me that, saved me a bit of bother :) === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-6-47-233.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === farruinn [n=farruinn@dialup-4.156.102.230.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] hm, ntp and stuff actually works better for me than with dapper, in a vm that is === bddebian pokes ajmitch [03:14] bddebian: still on revu strike? [03:14] welshbyte: Nah but I would like him to tell me if I am doing something wrong [03:15] i'm curious too, it's been a while since he said "well..." [03:16] What is this no .mo file crap from linda? [03:17] bddebian: Crap. Thanks. [03:18] bddebian: Can I have the complete message? [03:19] StevenK: Thanks for what? [03:20] Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file! [03:20] Which version? [03:20] StevenK: Of what? [03:20] Of Linda [03:21] Oh [03:21] Dunno, these are all over some packages on REVU :-) [03:21] Ah. [03:21] Right. Who do I talk to about fixing Linda on REVU? [03:22] Probably siretart [03:22] bddebian: did you upload any packages last week that you think are worth mentioning in UWN? [03:22] siretart: Ping === StevenK buggers off to shop [03:22] Burgundavia: I don't do anything of worth :-) [03:22] bddebian: right === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] Heya tuxmaniac, TheMuso [03:25] bddebian> booo [03:25] bddebian> and am at home town with family :D [03:25] Yay! [03:26] tuxmaniac: Cool === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] where does python search for libraries/modules when you import them these days (i.e. in edgy)? [03:56] /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages/ [03:59] d'oh, python-osd installs an empty /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyosd/ :( [04:00] Don't forget the python policy and python-central/python-support [04:00] all the files go in /usr/share/python-support/python-osd/pyosd [04:00] with /usr/share/python-{support,central} [04:00] should it be looking in there then? it can't seem to find the pyosd module === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame_ [n=zakame@69.60.114.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] I don't think they are installed there in the end [04:09] they should be installed to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages in the end [04:09] as /usr/share/python-* is not in Python's path I don't think [04:10] Heya LaserJock [04:10] hi bddebian [04:10] right, so the python-osd package needs work? should i file a bug? === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121rje.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] LaserJock: no, they really do get installed there [04:13] postinst does symlink stuff [04:13] that's part of the new python policy - stored in one place rather than in /usr/lib/python2.x [04:14] in that case it looks like the symlinks aren't getting set up in python-osd [04:14] does python-central do symlinks as well? [04:14] I thought that was only python-support [04:15] check the policy & docs for them [04:15] but anyway, my point is that Python path hasn't changed [04:16] LaserJock: [04:16] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 64 2006-08-10 13:50 messages.py -> /usr/share/pycentral/pyflakes/site-packages/pyflakes/messages.py [04:17] hmm, that's not for all python stuff? === ajmitch shrugs [04:17] because you need to seperate python 2.3 from 2.4 and also 3.5 [04:17] 2.5 rather [04:18] that's why we dropped python2.x-foo binary packages & have the policy now [04:18] yeah [04:18] but they are still byte-compiled for each version [04:18] as far as I know [04:18] of course [04:19] otherwise you get a performance penalty each time you run stuff [04:20] so my understanding was that python-* byte compiled for all the installed python versioins [04:20] versions [04:20] but I could be getting really messed up [04:20] yes [04:20] that's why installing stuff can be a bit slow [04:21] but it's best to do it then rather than compiling on every use [04:21] yes, I know [04:21] but my question was why /usr/share/pycentral/pyflakes/site-packages/pyflakes/messages.py doesn't have any versioning [04:21] because it's a .py [04:22] ah right [04:22] I did ls -la /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyflakes/ [04:22] and that was 1 file === ajmitch knew that pyflakes at least uses pycentral [04:22] ok, well I gotta get going [04:22] thanks for the info [04:22] ok, bye [04:27] so, should i file a bug on python-osd? :) [04:31] might as well [04:35] it has a missing postinst, so something is broken [04:36] So ajmitch are you goint to tell me? [04:36] Err going [04:36] bddebian: hm? [04:37] [15:52] ajmitch: I'm still working on your damn REVU stuff even though I'm probably doing them all wrong [04:37] [15:57] well... [04:37] [15:58] well what? [04:37] and you've been waiting all this time? :) [04:37] hehe [04:37] imbrandon_ :-) [04:37] he's been wondering all afternoon ;) [04:38] I don't think there was too much that I spotted that was badly wrong [04:38] just things like FTBFS - you could suggest Build-Depends: dpatch [04:38] in the case where that happened [04:38] ajmitch: you rember that ccache command to show the stats off the top of your head ? [04:39] ajmitch: Ah [04:39] CCACHE_DIR=/path/-to/cache ccache -s [04:39] thanks === mwolson [i=mwolson@pool-71-115-21-124.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] hell yea, got it working , w00t [04:40] imbrandon_: hm? === imbrandon_ does a little pbuilder dance [04:40] heh finaly tookt he time to get ccache working with pbuilder the "right way" [04:40] took* [04:41] which is? [04:41] I'd love to hear what the "right way" is meant to be :) [04:41] the way i was doing it but you HAVE to set a BUILDUSERID and a BUILDUSERNAME or the $path dosent get transfered [04:41] right [04:41] bug is pbuilder apparently ( got that from debian bts ) [04:42] thats why it wasent hitting my ccache dir before , it dident have both of those set [04:42] in the pbuilderrc [04:42] i set those and its working heheh [04:42] just tested with kdelibs lol [04:43] ok [04:45] welshbyte: filed a bug? [04:45] ahh you mean about the "right way" , i mean that i got it working with the pbuilderrc instead of a hookdir script [04:45] right === ajmitch doesn't use a hook script for it [04:45] yea i WAS before but it s kinda a pita [04:46] and this is better , even if i clean the base or make a new one etc it still works === ajmitch tries python-osd build again [04:46] ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/bugs/56187 [04:47] Malone bug 56187 in python-osd "python-osd doesn't set up symlinks to modules on install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [04:47] ok [04:47] I think I've fixed it now anyway [04:47] just rebuilding to check [04:47] cool [04:49] good, fixed, will upload & close bug [04:49] ajmitch: great, thanks :) === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp26-100.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:09] Hmm, anyone know much/anything about the LaTex license? === imbrandon_ barly knows about his own drivers license [05:10] barely [05:12] haha bddebian check out the second comment down on this [05:12] http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191480&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=15736530 [05:12] thats classic === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] imbrandon_: Heh :-) [05:16] hrm anyone know how to assign a mouse key to a keyboard key , ie make ummm ctl+f12 "right click" ? [05:16] imbrandon_: In what, X? [05:17] yea X and/or kde [05:17] I think you can do it in xorg.conf can you? [05:17] preferably x so i can use the same key in gnome/kde [05:18] dunno , actualy the reason i ask is f12 used to ( still does ) in dapper "right click" my mouse on my ibook ( since there is no right mouse button ) [05:18] but in edgy that functionality seems to be gone [05:18] i'm sure a config is just not set right but i dunno what makes it happen, i guess xorg.conf might ;) [05:19] i'm assumeing in dapper X did it not kde becouse gnome/kde both used the same binding too [05:20] not that big of a deal but annoying to not beable to "right click" heh [05:25] :-) [05:26] OK, reviewing is starting to get boring :-( === SEJeff [n=test@74.129.168.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] hehe [06:01] wow how'd it get to 5am === welshbyte goes to bed === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] ahh ajmitch you probably know most if not all whats on this page , but if not check it out, i found it very usefull when messing with the "advanced" pbuilder stuff like ccache and distcc [06:45] http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html [06:46] i might try to wikify some of that for the CategoryMOTU later as it took me FOREVER to figure some of those things out [06:46] cool [06:47] heya LaserJock ;) [06:53] Gnight folks === imbrando1 [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] wb Hobbsee [07:54] hi imbrandon [07:54] guess what ? hehe [07:55] imbrandon: do tell :P [07:55] imbrandon: you fixed the machine? [07:55] He broke it harder? [07:55] my domain transfer FINALY went through, now i just got to setup my email account again so i dont miss any email [07:55] whiule the dns server arround the world update [07:55] yay! [07:55] Hobbsee: ohh yea the machine is fixed up too [07:56] heh [07:56] imbrandon: hey, there's a merge listed for wine on MoM - you might want to do that one [07:56] it only took 10 minutes of so to build a new base.gz === imbrandon grumbles hehe [07:56] who's is it ? [07:56] hah [07:57] dont remember. someone elses [07:57] but you're free to take it over [07:57] Hey Hobbsee, imbrandon. [07:57] heya TheMuso === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] hi TheMuso [07:57] Hobbsee: i probably will later tonight i would just like to atleaste ping whomever so we dont dupe work [07:57] imbrandon: of course. although i'm just stealing anyone's by now [07:58] hrm go i put my homegrown cms back on imbrandon.com or wordpress or soemthing else *thinks* === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] Hobbsee: dig imbrandon.com , see if your dns has updated yet, or if its still some that hasent === Hobbsee pastes that in a query [08:00] dig should say ns#.dreamhost.com [08:00] if its updated [08:01] dont think so [08:01] *pokes* [08:01] ah :) [08:02] imbrandon: is kxdocker supposed to work ootb now? [08:02] yea it will probably take another 24-48 hrs now [08:02] for everyones to update [08:03] hrm i havent tried kxdocker on edgy yet [08:03] on dapper you have to "mess" with the config to make it useable [08:03] but it "works" [08:03] why? [08:03] imbrandon: got a user asking about it, for dapper [08:04] he's had fun fighting it :P [08:04] ohhh btw i tried k3b on 2 diffrent computers with fresh edgy installs and all its missing is it needs kdesu in the .desktop [08:04] if you kdesu it it works fine, i dunno what all this talk about kernel stuff is [08:06] infact i just burned 2 ppc iso's one of 6.06.1 and both worked fine ( one kubuntu one plain ubuntu ) [08:06] why are you having to run cd burning software as root anywya? [08:06] becouse it "writes" to the /dev/cdrom afaik [08:06] i thought you always had to [08:06] imbrandon: did you change the --update-alternatives back? [08:07] YES , add $editor to your ~/.bashrc please [08:07] hehe [08:07] heh === imbrandon cant get used to vim{m} [08:08] Hobbsee: direct/raw block device access requires root privileges. [08:08] yea what crimsun said ;) [08:08] because we don't suid-root cdrecord, you have to su{,do} [08:09] right... === TheMuso has never had to run cdrecord with sudo. [08:11] funny, the lag to a box in sydney is much less than a lag to the US. [08:11] And I don't suid either. [08:11] Hobbsee: What were you expecting? [08:12] Hobbsee: and thats not what you were expecting ? [08:12] TheMuso: actually, lag to the US has gotten worse recently. === TheMuso remembers what lag from Paris to Sydney was like. [08:12] TheMuso: you can -scanbus without errors? [08:12] Oh scanbus, no. [08:13] scanbus ? [08:14] yay, i found a newer copy of my .bashrc :) [08:14] imbrandon: no [08:14] lol Hobbsee set a crontab to tar.gz your /home once a week and rsync it somewhere offsite [08:14] ;) [08:15] if you're in the cdrom group, you can actually write cds/dvds without being root (by virtue of your /dev/sgX device being owned by root:cdrom) [08:15] you just won't have permission to change your scheduling priority [08:15] imbrandon: yes. offsite is the problem. === Hobbsee doesnt exactly *have* an offsite. [08:16] if you write to an atapi device, this is moot [08:16] Hobbsee: i gave ya 2 gigs on buntudot.org and if you dont put it in ~/public you cant get to it from the web [08:16] imbrandon: point. [08:17] hopefully your /home tar.gz isnt over 2 gigs , just stick it in your ~/ on buntudot ;) [08:17] yeah, i'ts not [08:17] see , a crontab once a week for that would work ;0 [08:17] and be secure becosue its not in the ~/public folder , if your paranoid encrypt it ( with something OTHER than your gnupg key lol ) [08:18] hah. i wouldnt be stupid enough to stick it in /public. [08:18] IE no one can get it but you if its not in ~/public [08:18] heh [08:19] even so like i said if your realy paranoid encrypt it though, but IMHO its not that big of a deal as ling as its not publicly accessable [08:19] but thats just my 0.2c [08:20] what happened to imake? [08:20] true [08:20] imake ? === elmargol [n=elmargol@host237-61.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] it was a package in breezy/dapper [08:22] it got removed. [08:22] hmmm [08:23] probably a reason, anyhow , afk a few , i'm going to load ubuntu on my laptop , tis OSX only atm [08:24] guess i could get on voyager while i do this hehe [08:24] voyager? [08:24] yes, it was removed because we resynced with Debian's X.Org packaging for Edgy [08:24] You mean startrek voyager? [08:24] the xutils-dev binary package contains an imake executable, so the imake source+binary packages "went away" [08:25] TheMuso: all my computers are named after ST ships ( my main build machine is voyager , main file server enterprise , amd64 intrepid , etc etc etc ) [08:25] you were probably idling in -x when we discussed this, Hobbsee [08:25] imbrandon: aah [08:26] (then again, maybe not; this was several weeks ago at least) [08:27] crimsun: right...okay [08:28] crimsun: so depend on xutils-dev instead of imake? [08:30] bugger. i'll have to reupload that then. [08:30] correct [08:33] ah great. tarball out of date too. === Hobbsee just uploaded a package that ftbfs :P [08:36] guess i should fix that :P [08:43] fixed. === Zdra [n=zdra@148.31-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] Hobbsee: Get your act together. :p [08:44] TheMuso: heh. i'll try to. === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.199.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.199.96] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.199.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] is there a way to use pbuilder environment for compiling arbitrarily ? [09:13] ie. unpack a pbuilder environment to try compiling ? [09:15] meaning "compiling random undebianised source?" [09:15] yes, you can accomplish such with pbuilder hooks [09:15] crimsun: what's that ? [09:15] I wouldn't necessarily recommend such a use case, but... [09:15] crimsun: what's pbuilder hooks ? [09:16] pbuilder(8) has some works about shell/perl/etc. scripts you can use to manipulate [stuff into] pbuilder. [09:16] s/work/word/ === ARMfreaK [n=DUCATIST@athedsl-136571.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] crimsun: so I can get an interactive shell in pbuilder using these hooks ? [09:20] you can get an interactive shell just by using the login target [09:20] the hooks are for other uses (think copying stuff) [09:20] cool ! that's what I want [09:21] ok, so how does one get a dependancy in pbuilder environment ? [09:21] apt-get also ? [09:23] apt-get install, yes. [09:23] 'morning everybody [09:24] k, thanks [09:24] morning Toadstool [09:24] hi [09:24] Toadstool has some pbuilder hooks iirc [09:24] crimsun: that would get it from the cache if it is available, right ? [09:24] AnAnt: yes [09:24] crimsun: thanks a lot for the help [09:25] hey Gloubiboulga, crimsun [09:25] I haven't really done anything except for spit pbuilder(8) at you ;) [09:57] hrm is *.ubuntu.com down for anyone else? specificly the wiki [09:57] imbrandon: yes, and the downtime is probably unplanned [09:57] ok np, just wanted to make sure it wasnt my flacky isp [09:57] not a big deal [09:57] ;) [09:58] you know, "back in the old days" (I think in the hoary dev cycle), *.ubuntu.com went down every Sunday morning [09:58] it got to the point when we just said, oh it must be Sunday cos Apache's down [09:58] LP goes off tuesday nights [09:58] heh [09:58] ah, back in the day... [09:59] hahaha === ajmitch is reading some of the links from sounder [09:59] one guy writing about "What Canonical doesn't want you to know" [09:59] entertaining stuff [09:59] yea i read that earlier [09:59] kinda funny [09:59] he just seems mad becouse we have a "community" === ajmitch is yet another brainwashed cult member [10:00] lol me too i guess ;) [10:00] BUT he does back my point up that the debian site is cr*p /me looks at crimsun [10:00] being in a cult is supposed to be hard, with lots of pointless work [10:00] hehe [10:00] Burgundavia: sounds about right [10:01] you seen how many bugs we have to fix on malone? [10:01] Burgundavia: and thats chnges his comment how? [10:01] right [10:01] all for this elusive 'karma; [10:01] hehe [10:01] ajmitch: hahaha just file 3 or 4 specs if you wanna karma whore [10:01] lol === ajmitch wonders what our Glorious Leader has to say for us today [10:01] all to make us more integrated into the community, whereupon we get more pointless work [10:01] lol ajmitch [10:01] imbrandon: the glorious leader spoke directly with me today [10:02] :o [10:02] heh === Kamping_Kaiser tortures Burgundavia for words [10:02] he told me about his plans [10:02] Burgundavia: great, where'd you see him? === imbrandon is wondering if your refering to sab [10:02] hm pm [10:02] ah [10:02] he pm'ed me [10:02] I thought you meant in person [10:02] hard to keep track of where he is at any time [10:02] sabdfl ? [10:02] yeah [10:02] hehe [10:03] i talked to him about umm 2 days ago PM , well infact that was the only time i ever talked to him directly [10:03] lol [10:03] I wonder what this guy must think of the debian cult - it's nearly all volunteer work [10:03] lol [10:04] that and i was trying to figure out what "canonical dosent want you to know ..." every thing he said is very public , even posted on ubuntu.com mostly [10:04] it's meant to lend an air of mystery [10:04] imbrandon: the easiest way to hide something is in plain sight [10:04] like revealing some dark, sordid secret [10:05] heh [10:05] just looks like FUD to cash in on some "hits" form a sensational headline to me === ajmitch reads UWN #9 [10:06] he said he would take a "technical" look at it but i see nothing technical about the artical tbh [10:06] it was a giant rant [10:06] yep [10:06] ajmitch: tell me if you think I imply that there is any connection between jdub leaving and jono coming, in 9 [10:06] almost a foaming-at-the-mouth type of rant [10:07] Burgundavia: yes [10:07] *ubuntu* does get alot of press though, but honestly i think rightly so [10:07] Burgundavia: yea [10:07] Burgundavia: only because you mention it - knowing some of what goes on lends a different perspective for me reading it [10:07] imbrandon: you agreeing to my question to ajmitch? [10:07] right [10:08] [03:06] ajmitch: tell me if you think I imply that there is any connection between jdub leaving and jono coming, in 9 <-- yea [10:08] jdub emailed me and told me off for it [10:08] curious [10:08] why? i dont see the problem with it [10:08] community manager was never jdub's real job [10:08] jono is not really replacing jdub [10:08] yes [10:09] even if it was / or he is , dident jdub leave on his own choice ? [10:09] certainly [10:09] i dont see the issue then tbh [10:09] I don't see a big issue, but I will add a not to next weeks issue [10:09] its not like anyone is downing jdubs work, i think he did and does great [10:09] pass the text by jdub first [10:10] he can edit it just like anyone else [10:10] I refuse to cater to one person === Hobbsee noted the connection earlier, but thought it was unfounded. [10:10] jdub pisses me off sometimes === ajmitch should remember to file a bug on mesa [10:11] what really pisses me off is that I had several people review it, including crimsun, and nobody said anything [10:12] wonderfull , 6.06.1 just failed to install yaboot , now i got to figure out how to get a traceback off a uninstalled system to file a usefull bug [10:12]