=== xwind_ [n=nrv@58.69.28.226] has joined #edubuntu === cbx333 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:24] Is there a way to prevent users from doing a reboot or shutdown at the terminal/thinclient? [12:24] xwind_: dapper fixed this bug [12:24] xwind_: If you upgrade to dapper it should work [12:25] i have dapper. Is this controlled by a config file? which one? [12:26] xwind_: well if you log out from gnome afaik the only option is log out, no halt or reboot [12:26] xwind_: I can't tell you more, I don't know much about it [12:26] so it appears that this the default setup. [12:26] lucasvo, it wasn't fixed I think [12:27] you can switch to upstream dialog tho which kinda fixes it [12:27] (gconf key) [12:29] can i disable the shutdown and reboot functions of thinclient users instead? === Signifer [n=signifer@pool-70-16-4-230.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Signifer [n=signifer@pool-70-16-4-230.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.29.155.182] has joined #edubuntu === Cornellius [n=chatzill@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0_ [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] Howdy === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === Signifer [n=signifer@pool-70-16-4-230.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Cornellius [n=chatzill@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has left #edubuntu [] [06:18] hmm, pyweek looks really cool, actually. [06:20] cool === gotama [n=xxxx@61-223-71-54.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:21] d'oh, need to fix pygame first. [06:24] crimsun: that is does. Too bad it uses sdl and thus excludes it from main [06:24] erm... [06:24] libsdl1.2debian | 1.2.10-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages [06:24] libsdl1.2 | 1.2.10-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources [06:24] oh, wait [06:25] hmm [06:25] in other news --> [06:25] lovely weather! [06:25] http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf [06:25] the delay was due to the wrong url in my clipbaord [06:28] crimsun: give me feedback, dammit. You too LaserJock [06:29] lol [06:30] Burgundavia: the Gnome foot falls off the bottom here [06:31] LaserJock: rendering bug due to conversion to pdf with inkscape 0.43. Not a major issue [06:31] 0.44 solves all those === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:52] hey highvoltage, long time, no see [07:55] hey Burgundavia [07:55] yes, been catching up with my personal life last week === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [08:39] morning ... === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === maning [n=COSCA@203.87.151.227] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [09:08] hello highvoltage [09:09] hello RichEd [09:10] this winter seems to be making up for the last few years meager rainfalls [09:11] wuold have been faster to take my kids to school in a rubber duckie this morning [09:12] it wasn't /that/ bad :) [09:12] the lightning was cool though [09:15] Mornin all [09:24] morning cbx33! [09:25] MOrning HiVoLtAgE === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-218-44.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:29] RichEd, can I aska question === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:29] sure cbx33 ... just back from a spontaneous XTalk quit ... strange behaviour on my machine today [09:30] heh [09:30] um, you know I'm working on the new UbuntuSounds? [09:30] yessir [09:30] Well, Troy_s and I decided we think the palette is large enough to show to "higher up" people [09:31] sounds god ;) [09:31] good i mean :P [09:31] hehe [09:31] Troy reckons it should be brought up at a CC meeting for peole to look at [09:31] So I talked to Frank Schoep, the artwork chief [09:31] and he seemed a little unsure about what the CC meeting is for [09:31] CC meeting .. new lingo for me ... expand ? [09:31] what would you recommend? [09:32] the community council meeting [09:32] there is one today [09:32] and I'd like to get some direction [09:32] from people who will probably be making the decision [09:33] If you get my drift...just wondered what your opinion was on the matter [09:34] i'm quite new to the decison making process ... give me a bit of background as to the "matter at hand" ... i.e. [09:34] you're doing new sounds ... [09:34] ok [09:34] who requested them ? [09:34] what is the impact ? [09:34] exactly, the sounds havn't been changed in at least 2 releases [09:34] how were the sounds initially chosen ? === RichEd listens [09:34] there was a spec to do them, but nobody has taken it up [09:35] there is an ubuntu-audio team....but it seems really dead [09:35] troy/frank think that the sounds fall under artwork jurisdiction [09:35] everyone in artwork seems happy with the way the sounds are going === RichEd nods - look & feel [09:35] I'm unsure how they were originally chosen [09:35] I wasn't around then [09:35] q: how often does the CC meet ? [09:35] an Ubuntu n00b really [09:36] once a week i think? [09:36] q: are your sounds for Edubuntu or Ubuntu [09:36] Ubuntu, with the option of possibly creatign a distinct sound for edubuntu too [09:38] so if you want to take the gentle approval route ... how about: [09:38] 1) you table the request for consideration at today's meeting [09:38] 2) you get names of people who want to listen & offer opinion [09:39] 3) send them an email, with sounds (or links) an a voting option [09:39] 4) include : "leave sounds as is" as an option [09:39] of course [09:39] ok, thank you RichEd [09:40] should I modify the CC meeting Agenda? [09:40] 5) let them know that next meeting, you will discuss results of voting ? [09:40] ... in that way, it is fair, everyone who is actually intersted can sample, and there is a "paper trail" for the decision [09:41] i'd say yes ... so today, you introduce the decision process ... and tell people next meeting is decision actual [09:41] imho of course [09:42] hehe [09:42] ok, np [09:44] RichEd: Do you know anything of the African Virtual University? [09:45] willvdl: i've comea cross the name before ... but can't say i've dug very deep [09:46] it would be a good discussion topic for Duncan Greaves (TENET) ... [09:46] hmmm. Seems to be one of the e-commission areas [09:46] e-learning in general that is. [09:47] browse around http://www.tenet.ac.za/ when you get a chance ... we must set up a meeting with Duncan soon ... overlap with TENET & NEPAD countries [09:50] re: http://www.avu.org/ check if there is "any recommended place to buy hardware" etc. how do they expect their students to get up & connected [09:50] we may be able to provide an Edubuntu / Ubuntu OEM link ? just a thought ... same thing for UNISA etc. [09:53] funny how they've never really been mentioned around e-schools, yet in a NEPAD context, they are there to support them [09:53] will dig some more === highvoltage [n=jono2@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [10:08] RichEd, all sorted [10:09] 100's [10:10] send me the sample email ... i'll give them a listen ... also let me know what your thoughts are about extending changes to edubuntu [10:24] RichEd, you said to meet up again today regarding the ESA/pack idea [10:34] cbx33: meeting with willvdl face-to-face to flesh out a project plan ... that's moved to tomorrow ... will update you with framework when agreed & then will add ESA in as Task#1 [10:35] will be adding Burgundavia & tuXlabs Edubuntu choice as Task#2 [10:35] in the meanwhile, for yours, can you think of the respective audiences we need to target ? [10:35] short & sweet versions to: [10:36] 1) school IT admin [10:36] 2) school teacher [10:36] 3) education department decision maker [10:36] ?? [10:37] ok [10:37] I'll have a think [10:41] are you talking about seperate versions to those audicences? targetted? [10:41] the main point of the ESA was for it to be useful to all groups, but we could possibly pull out some sectiosn and add others [10:51] i would say 1) general ... full version [10:51] 2) 2 pager (i.e. 1 double side) quick read for each audience [10:52] where each 2 pager refers to links to: [10:52] a) the full doc ... in a format that can be printed on site [10:52] b) the short versions ... in a format that can be printed on site [10:53] i.e. if someone responds well to the short version (ideal for conference hand-out) they are able to print & distrubute & thereby evangelise for us when they get back to home turf [10:53] ok sounds good [10:54] When ESA first started, the sections were titled with questions, do you think this is appropriate for the school teacher/decision maker targetting? [10:57] lets get the main version complete and agreed to by all ... then we need to examine the value equation = buttons to push for each audience type [10:57] it is important to address the issues that affect them ... those are what they will respond to [10:57] general hypotehetical question & answer may not be a effective === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [11:03] RichEd, true [11:04] 'lo again highvoltage : can we try for that meeting tomorrow ? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@SE400.PPPoE-2915.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@SE400.PPPoE-2915.sa.bih.net.ba] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:42] hi ogra === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:08] (i've got to take my son to the physio ... so i'll be on a long lunch hour today) [12:09] 3G...way of the future :) === willvdl wonders why they call it Fraudband === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:20] ping ogra [12:20] pong [12:20] ogra, how is scp development [12:21] nonexistent [12:22] I was going to setup an edubuntu server system here so I can work on it [12:22] i'm working on local devices === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] ok [12:22] I'll try and jump in on some [12:22] can I ask a question [12:23] sure [12:23] I have my router acting as a DHCP server at the mo, which I am reluctant to stop [12:23] is there a way to tell a client to use a specific DHCP server? [12:23] or do I have to start looking into using virtual networks on vmware? [12:25] only trouble is I want one machien to be a real machine ....see how complicated this gets? === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] get two NIS [12:26] *NICs [12:26] yeh, I suppose that's the only way [12:26] and the only trouble I only have one here [12:26] ogra you got two secs in a pm? [12:26] make one act as dhcp client at your router and the other one as thin client dhcp server [12:26] yeh [12:26] I'll borrow one from work tomorrow [12:26] shoot [12:38] gcj is rocking my planet [12:38] due to gc brokeness, apt-get wants to remove about 12 packages during dist-upgrade :) [12:38] fun :) [12:39] s/gc/gcj/ === Signifer [n=signifer@pool-70-16-4-230.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:39] also I'm unable to read my emails since last Friday [12:40] evo ? [12:40] yup [12:40] I've seen seb128's email yesterday [12:40] did you try to upgrade only the vo related packages ? [12:40] *evo [12:41] that meant only that evo ftbfs through firefox breakage [12:41] shouldnt affect end users [12:41] the evo packages are often out of sync during devel releases [12:42] no, evolution is broken due to libnss3 being rather different since firefox 1.5 [12:42] seb128 was unable to recompile evolution (ftbfs) and could not find and fixes until now [12:43] but there was no evolution upload since the firefox one ... [12:43] s/and/any/ [12:43] it cant be linked against the new libnss3 yet [12:43] yes, because evolution fails to build :) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-198-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === kai [n=kai@modem-111.iguana.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === IRCMonkeyX [n=chatzill@81.213.160.231] has joined #edubuntu === IRCMonkeyX [n=chatzill@81.213.160.231] has left #edubuntu [] [01:17] ogra, you know you said about indexing on the usplash image ?? [01:17] is there any doc/person who knows about it [01:18] ubuntu-art :) [01:18] ok [01:31] ogra does this apply to us https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/ChangeUsplash [01:33] cbx33, really, no idea ... [01:33] there were a lot of changes in edgy [01:33] who would know where we are with usplash [01:33] ubuntu-art [01:34] lisa wants to redesign it, but we need to know techinical constraints [01:34] they know it ... [01:34] or mjg59 for deeper tech knowledge === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-237-155.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono2@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [02:28] ogra, is ubiquity faster to install that d-i ? [02:28] in edubuntu, yes ... [02:29] indeed [02:30] where would ubiquity be slower than d-i? [02:30] ogra, care to promote libburn and stuff? I need testing for libburn-over-cdrecord layer [02:30] meaning altought apps think they use cdrecord, they use libburn [02:30] sorry I'm just using the edubuntu shipit cd, and noting the difference in install times between that and the ubuntu one [02:37] pygi: wow, that sounds cool [02:38] highvoltage, :) [02:40] cdrecord is really painful [02:41] highvoltage, indeed, but perhaps never we'll have a solid replacement === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [02:41] :( [02:42] highvoltage, I am not skilled enough to implement fine-grained stuff in libburn, altought I will implement stuff that I am able to, ofcourse [02:43] and contributors are mostly non-existant (altought we have few people interested in libburn) [02:44] i previously thought that there was a big group of people working on libburn, and that it would naturally eventually replace cdrecord :( [02:44] highvoltage, the libburn development was stopped two years ago [02:45] geepers :/ [02:47] highvoltage, so that's why I need promotion ^_^ [02:47] yeah === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.198.234] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] hi guys [02:48] its ajayc here === pygi directs highvoltage to http://libburn.pykix.org [02:48] finally am showing off edubuntu at our school science exhibiton [02:48] someone will surely notice [02:48] :) [02:48] sup pygi [02:49] DrkLrd, fighting with libburn stuff ^_^ [02:50] lol [02:50] now i am ready to contribute [02:50] exams over [02:50] yipeeee!!! [02:50] and first step to distribute edubuntu and ubuntu cd [02:50] eh ^_^ [02:50] and showcase edubuntu excellently at school exhibition [02:50] any tips? === Signifer [n=signifer@pool-70-16-4-230.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.198.100] has joined #edubuntu [02:55] sorry [02:55] missed it [02:55] ah so any tips? [02:56] pygi, ? [02:56] ogra, ? [02:57] DrkLrd, who are you trying to impress? :) [02:57] everyone :D [02:58] and to do something for edubuntu [02:58] and not be a freeloader :D [03:01] willvdl: you dere ? [03:02] yip === RichEd is wrapping an email thread ... (SchoolTool) ... and will be ready to chat after getting some coffee in around 10 mins [03:02] okay with that ? [03:02] okie. shall we pm? [03:02] RichEd, not for you :P [03:02] yep ... will ping you here and hive off ... [03:03] 10-9-8- [03:03] no tips? :( [03:03] pygi: pray explain that comment ? [03:03] RichEd, eh, nothing, sorry :) [03:03] DrkLrd: i can help ... when do you present ? [03:04] edubuntu === RichEd makes a note that darklord is now willing to pay for software (and not be a freeloader) [03:04] :) [03:04] pay? never mate [03:04] linux rocks! [03:04] though linspire sucks [03:05] i will get that work done [03:05] why does linspire suck ? just interested [03:05] tell me how do i get actively involved in edubuntu [03:05] DrkLrd: i can help ... when do you present ? [03:05] RichEd, CNR and its commercial [03:05] RichEd, maybe in 2 weeks [03:06] got it! http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu [03:06] okay ... bit of a rush then ... and where ? CNR <- wot's dis den [03:06] and whats the difference between CNR and "and showcase edubuntu excellently at school exhibition" [03:06] notin [03:07] i just said linspire sucks cos it has CNR [03:07] DrkLrd, we have klik! [03:08] pygi, i know mate ! that is why CNR sucks! [03:09] ok what about participating actively? [03:09] so whats CNR ... please deacronmyate into laymans english ! [03:09] i see edubuntu has less no. of users here [03:09] where is here ? [03:09] RichEd, its a paid service for Applications and various packages [03:09] #edubuntu [03:09] :P [03:10] RichEd, http://www.linspire.com/cnr_router.php [03:11] "our" counterpart: http://klik.atekon.de/ [03:11] okay ... now I understand what you are saying, but don't baste "the evil brush" around too widely :) income is needed for actual work to make the economy go around ... but that is a big topic to tackle now ... [03:12] right .. let me lay out a quick plan :) [03:12] ping rodarvus [03:12] DrkLrd: give me 5 mins to wrap my email thread & get a coffee [03:12] cbx33, pong [03:12] before he pings me :) [03:12] willvdl: give me 15 minutes to harness DrkLrd to the Edubuntu yolk [03:13] rodarvus, how much you know about scp? [03:13] little [03:13] DrkLrd: I'm the new Education Programme Manager ... I am very intersted in helping you to help us ... deal ? [03:13] ogra wrote it [03:13] I know, just wondering if I'm ok to develop on dapper [03:13] hmm, linspire screenshots look pretty [03:14] cbx33, quite probably, unless you're going to depend on any edgy-only feature [03:14] such as local devices support [03:15] no yet I'm not [03:15] cbx33, best to coordinate your efforts with ogra, though [03:15] yes I was but then he went awol :p [03:15] to make sure you two won't be doing the same thing at the same time :) === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [03:16] ogra has done nothing...he already told me :p [03:16] hence why I'm trying to help out [03:16] he's too busy with local devices [03:16] nice [03:16] DrkLrd: right mail is wrapped ... getting my coffee ... can we move to a pvt window ? [03:16] we have a spec (under review I think) for scp [03:16] have you looked there, already? [03:16] yes [03:17] I'm fixing a few bugs first [03:17] nice [03:17] crikey edubuntu is FAST in vmware [03:17] hi rodarvus : haven't said a decent hello to you today :) === RichEd steps towads the kettle [03:18] RichEd, hi there :) [03:19] I need to make a test locally (which can possibly crash my machine) [03:19] so if it happens in the next 20-30 minutes, you know why :) [03:24] willvdl: damn ... gotta go out for a collection - 30 mins ... can we shift to 4:00pm ? [03:25] no problemo [03:25] gives me time to get my spreadsheet neater :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] ogra, pm about scp :p === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.208.153] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ajay_ [n=ajay@59.94.2.235] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] Morning all!! [03:42] ogra: Hey, dude, got your email! === ogra has a *very* bad day today ... [03:43] totally annoyed [03:44] Whats up? Not with me, I hope? :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] Whats up? Not with me, I hope? :) <-- Don't know wether you caught that before logoff :) [03:45] sbalneav, no, indeed not with you, but i seem not to be able to type more than one sentence without my network completely dying [03:45] seems all wlan routers went mad here over night [03:45] Ooh, that's a bummer. [03:46] it's Monday, don't be so hard on yourself :\ [03:47] well, its nearly 4pm, i havent done *any* work yet ... cant get my mail and want to have ltsp localdev done by thursday [03:47] can you mail out? Send me what you've got. I'll work with you this week and give you a hand. [03:48] i'm not hard to myself ... but i'm near trying to accelerate that linksys AP to lightspeed to see what happens if it hits the wall === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:48] sbalneav, ther is nothing to work on atm, we need pitti aboard to get the pmount patch in ... [03:49] gnome-vfs is no option because it would restrict us to gnome [03:49] ogra, pmount for unionfs? [03:49] he keeps doing that :p [03:49] I think it's his router that keeps verlassending things :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:50] wb :) [03:50] ogra, your net connec tio nseems bad today [03:50] so deso my space bar [03:51] sbalneav, we need to discuss it with pitti (which is quite hard for me without being able to type more than a few sentences) === ajay_ [n=ajay@59.93.246.78] has joined #edubuntu [03:51] sbalneav, did you try the bind mount ` [03:51] ? [03:52] ogra: How would the sudo bit be handled? Would we put something in sudoers that would require no password to be entered, or when a user plugs in a memory stick, would it need a password? [03:52] ogra: I'll play with it today/night [03:53] brb, work ping... === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] would adding it to pmount make it so that the user wouldn't need to do a sudo? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF084.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] would adding it to pmount make it so that the user wouldn't need to do a sudo? [04:01] Poor Ollie [04:01] yep [04:01] we dont want sudo [04:01] right. [04:01] Want me to talk to pitti? [04:02] try it :) [04:02] okie [04:02] as i said, he wants it to be a gnome-vfs change [04:02] but then we cant support KDE/XFCE [04:02] would not be a real upstream solution :) [04:08] ping willvdl [04:09] pong === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:11] hi! === DrkLrd [n=ajay@59.93.240.182] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] morning jsgotangco [04:15] hi scott! [04:16] ogra: ok, so suid scripts it is. [04:17] well, yes [04:18] i'm not really happy with the fact that we need one ... but there is no way around it seems [04:18] That's ok, solves the problem. [04:19] You know that the colours orange and yellow make you hungry, right? That's why fast food places all use those colours. If you've got an orangey office, I predict lots of snacking while coding :) [04:19] well, its a security issue we always have to regard [04:20] yeah, this is true. No strcpy's allowed. [04:21] i'd have preferred to have it included in pmount, so it gets pittis attention every release automatically [04:21] but we cant force him :) [04:22] ogra, do you konw if there is any chance of loop mounting getting included in pmount? [04:24] so i could use it in gisomount [04:24] unlikely [04:24] same security probs as bind mounting has [04:24] willvdl: did a window open up with some mesages from me ? [04:24] but you could steal the wrapper we will have to write for ltspfs [04:25] ogra: how's your mad C coding skilz? Want me to code the wrapper? [04:25] and just replace --bind with --loop ;) [04:25] i'm very bad in C [04:25] ok [04:25] its enough to write patches but my code usually is horrible [04:25] I can do it. [04:25] RichEd: are my replies not getting to you? [04:26] btw, tel me why you think that ldm in C would have a smaller mem footprint [04:26] *tell [04:26] i thought you were making a shell script [04:26] we still need to keep the theme in memory [04:26] nope ... let me close & open another window [04:26] So, we want a ltspmount --add and --remove /tmp/somemount to /media/somemount, yes? [04:26] I think it's my gaim client [04:26] Amaranth, there are no such things like suid shellscripts ;) [04:27] sbalneav, we can hardcode the /tmp/somemount part [04:27] and we shuld use hidden dirs in /tmp ... [04:27] ok ogra thanks === cbx33 is catching up on the edubuntu minutes [04:27] btw, the vfs'es support subdirs in /media [04:27] i've got a couple right here...*men in black with swords* aaaaaaah *silence* [04:27] I swaer I'll never get this far behind again [04:27] I'm getting yours but mine aren't going through... [04:27] ogra: how? we don't know what the device is going to be called? when it gets plugged in? [04:27] so i'd suggest /media/$IP/device [04:27] ahhh ... i'm using XChat have you got that loaded ? [04:28] using Gaim. must be myclient [04:28] sbalneav, huh ? indeed we know what its called if udev calls ltspfs [04:28] lemme jsut give you a call. cell OK? [04:29] ogra: so, i'm starting to think pre-training willowng is a bad idea [04:29] ogra: argh! Can't type fast enough. What's your phone #, I'll just call you. [04:29] sbalneav, voip ? [04:29] nah, landline. not me paying for it :) [04:30] mom [04:30] work lets me (ab)use the phone for LTSP purposes. [04:30] i need to look it up :) [04:31] +49 561 521 74 83 (i think) [04:43] I can talk much faster than I can type :) [04:51] can I ask [04:52] who here actually reads/uses the Edubuntu Meeting Minutes? === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] me if i need to look up stuff its easier than reading the log [04:53] and i guess the guys from the weekly newsletter [04:55] ok [04:55] I'll keep on doing them then, they are just pretty time consuming [04:56] just wondered if people actually used them [04:56] thanks ogra [04:56] well, i personally could use the log ... [04:56] but i dont know about the UWN guys [04:56] ogra if it makes it easier for you :p [04:57] I'm going to try to get them done same day now [04:57] I do apologise for my slack approach [04:59] ogra did I miss your reply to my question about developing scp on dapper? [04:59] no, really, i'm fine with reading the logs [04:59] but talk to the UWN guys [04:59] ok [04:59] is dapper ok for scp development for now? [05:00] or would edgy be preferable? [05:00] dapper is not ok for *any* development [05:00] we dont develop for dapper anymore ;) [05:00] ok === cbx33 prepares to update his edubuntu server to edgy [05:02] note that the current ltsp-build-client doesnt run any of the ltsp-update-* scripts atm [05:02] you need to run them manually [05:05] ok [05:08] this is gonna take a while ;) [05:08] esp on a vmware machine [05:13] thanks ogra :p - now "everyone" thinks I'm a dolt :p [05:14] heh, sorry [05:14] I'm j/k [05:15] ogra, expect some scp updates tonight, I'm hoping to put my few bug fixes into my branch and start working on some of the specs if I get time [05:15] great [05:16] Look at me. Now I can do japanese smileys too! [05:16] hehe [05:16] w00t [05:17] ogra, when do you think gisomount will make it into universe? [05:17] ok, gotta head off and buy some ups batteries. be back later [05:17] or grasynco? [05:17] c ya sbalneav [05:18] isnt it in the NEW queue ? [05:19] yes [05:19] 2006-07-17 23:10:06 BST [05:19] and which archive admin did you ask to promote/review it ? [05:19] none? [05:20] I wasn't told I had to [05:20] it was approved on REVU [05:20] and moved into the NEW queue, from there I was under the impression I had to wait till someone was able to do it? [05:20] is that wrong? [05:21] well, usually the person who uploaded cares but if they dont, poke one of the archive admins to review it [05:21] is there a list of those anywhere? [05:21] i.e. Keybuk [05:21] is this process documented? [05:21] the whole uploading to universe for the first time thing [05:23] no idea === cbx33 thinks he'll go make one [05:23] but if, then it should be on the developer resources wikipage [05:23] it's a very confusing process [05:23] yeh [05:25] ogra, sorry another question [05:26] you know in a meeting a while back you said ESA should be translated on rosetta? [05:26] how would one go about doing that? [05:26] i think contacting the doc team would be a good start ... i belive you need to have it in docbook first [05:26] it is in docbook :p [05:27] it's in the docteams svn repo too === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-231-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] Howdy [05:45] hi bddebian [05:45] deja vu ? [05:45] Hello again cbx33 ;-) === albgeist [n=anonym@141.87.36.57] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === ..[topic/#edubuntu:albgeist] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing [06:12] Mr LaserJock Good AfterNooooooooooon === cbx33 stops singing [06:13] hehe [06:23] Back, with $150 worth of new lead acid cells. [06:24] heh === albgeist [n=anonym@141.87.36.57] has joined #edubuntu === albgeist [n=Client@141.87.36.57] has joined #edubuntu [06:32] sbalneav: New laptop battery then? [06:32] haha [06:32] No, new batteries for the UPS on our database server :( [06:32] ahh [06:32] only $150? [06:32] nice [06:36] Yeah, the trick is not to buy lead acid cells at a computer shop. We've got a shop here in town that deals in nothing but batteries: automotive and industrial. They've got the batteries at about 1/2 the price that a computer shop would charge. [06:36] oh, good idea === albgeist [n=Client@141.87.36.57] has joined #edubuntu [06:37] cool [06:38] hey, a 6v 12ah cell's a 6v 12ah cell. They're all the same :) [06:38] my UPS has these standard batteries they use in remote controlled models ... [06:38] a stack of them ... [06:39] but its quite cheap to replace them :) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [06:47] ogra: OK, I've started in on the mount wrapper (in amongst the bits of my regular 9-5 job). I'll have it completed by tonight. [06:47] WOW ! [06:47] i'll jump on the cdpinger tonight or tomorrow [06:48] btw, after 8h playing music, my client was using 115 MB for no apparent reason ... [06:48] then dropped down to 50M againg [06:48] and 10 mins later died [06:48] did top show anything? [06:49] Were you running it, or just using free? [06:49] my usbdisk is ext3 and a saw kjournald juming up and down in top, but without any signifacnt mem usage [06:49] i'm running top constantly on tty1 [06:50] but there is absolutely *nothing* there [06:50] weeeird. [06:50] ok, I'll poke about a bit tonight. [06:50] all i cant think of is that the journal grows in memory or something ... [06:51] i sadly dont have a second usb disk here atm [06:51] else i'd try with a vfat fromatted one === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === skaap [n=User@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === skaap [n=User@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [07:34] pin ogra [07:34] ouch [07:34] hehe [07:34] um, I just did a dist upgrade, and now gdm won;t start [07:34] just thought I'd let you know [07:34] I also can't view the output [07:34] oh, why is that ? [07:34] because the ncurses screen is all strange [07:35] gonna try a dpkg-reconfigure [07:35] all strange ? [07:35] strange characters and no readable text [07:35] I'll do a screen shot if I can;t reconfigure [07:35] i suspect if you look into the recent Xorg.log in /var/log/ you will find that the font "fixed" cant be found [07:36] but thats only a rough guess :) [07:36] hmmm [07:36] xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed [07:38] ok got it working [07:38] needed a forced reinstall of xserver-xorg [07:40] that shouldnt happen i guess, rodarvus ? [07:40] no, xfonts-base was fixed earlier this week [07:40] to make sure this problem won't happen [07:41] this is triggered by an upgrade of xfonts-base before xfonts-utils is fully setup [07:41] when i did the reinstall it did say something about the /etc/X11/X had been modified and wouldn't be replaced [07:41] well, there must have been another issue ... [07:41] I would say I'll test it again, but it's taken 5-6 hours to get to this point :p [07:41] did you have any errors in the first upgrade ? [07:42] before you ran the manual one with --reinstall ? [07:42] well X wouldn't start and came up with a funny ncurses screen [07:42] on trying to start it again manually same thing happened [07:43] then I did the dpkg-reconfigure, and it said xserver-xorg was broekn or not fully installed [07:43] that's when I did a manual reinstall of xsedrver-xorg [07:44] i mean during the upgrade [07:44] not afterwards [07:44] didn't see one [07:44] brb [07:44] 10 - 15 mins [07:55] /etc/X11/X had been modified and wouldn't be replaced <- not an issue actually [07:56] cbx33, try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base" to see if it fixes your problem [07:57] . o O ( hmm, a few funny warnings here ) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-236-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-252.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] ***GAH*** what's happened to usplash [08:35] cbx33, broken :) [08:35] heheh [08:35] i'll say === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-252.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [08:38] gnome panel seems broken too [08:38] cliking on applications doesn't yield a very pretty sight [08:40] but system and places are ok [08:46] ogra: ping, still awake? [08:47] sbalneav: ogra is always awake, as far as I know [08:47] He's a man on a mission. === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] I'll see if he's in -devel [08:51] grrrr, what culd be wrong :( [08:54] cbx33: oh, is Applications flickering? [08:54] yes that's one thing [08:55] cbx33: go to /etc/xdg/menus/ and remove the bad link to the debian menu [08:56] sbalneav, pong [08:56] w00t thanks LaserJock [08:56] you certainly know your stuff :p [08:56] only cause I had the same problem [08:57] hey [08:57] whats up ? [08:57] ogra: What "standard" direcory in /tmp do we want to mount to for the ltspfs mount? /tmp/.uid-ltspfs/mountpoint? [08:57] sounds sensible ... [08:57] i.e. /tmp/.sbalneav-ltspfs/my_usb_stick? [08:58] we could also do /tmp/.clientip-ltspfs/mountpoint [08:58] but thats bigger effort [08:58] no, tkae the real ID [08:58] i.e. /tmp/.1000-ltspfs/my_usb_stick [08:58] its invisible anyway === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [08:59] oh? not the named id? [08:59] so it doesnt matter, but we likely should distingush by user [08:59] so forget the clientip stuff :) [09:00] well, the UID is as easy to get as the username, pick as you like ;) [09:00] i can adjust the scripts here ... [09:00] okeydokey, will do. I'll go by the name. More "intuitive" [09:00] as i said, nobody will see it apart from us :) [09:01] OK, *I* find it more intuitive :) [09:01] lol [09:01] heh, ok :) [09:01] I'm about 1/2 done. [09:01] wow [09:01] youre impressive ... did i ever tell you ? [09:02] Yes! But I always enjoy hearing it again. [09:02] heh [09:02] :) [09:03] I am also exceedingly good looking, and a connesuer of fine wines and food. You forgot to mention that as well. Please do not make this mistake again :) [09:03] However, spelling is not my strong suit. [09:03] one at a time :) [09:03] ogra, getting a permission denied on a client booting [09:04] ?? [09:04] on my new edgy box === ogra needs to go downstairs again asap [09:04] drat, someone, what's the correct spelling of conneseur? I could google it, but that's cheating. [09:04] it think with ai [09:04] sbalneav, google it, ogra will never know :p [09:04] connaiseur [09:05] Ah, that looks closer. [09:05] cbx33, i'll be back later, you need to be a bit more descritive ;) [09:05] mount failed: [09:05] nfs mount [09:05] ok [09:05] I'll try and figure it out [09:05] I ran the ltsp-update-sshkeys [09:07] I figured it out [09:07] inthe upgrade it replace the exports file [09:11] oooh. [09:11] I just realized a snag [09:12] crumb. How to get out of this one :( [09:12] errrm === sbalneav thinks furiously === cbx33 turns the handle [09:22] can we make it so the grub entries read Edubuntu in Edgy? === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-165-218-44.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:33] fixed :D [09:41] bzr is bloody broken in edgy === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] what is this thing in edgy where I get funny quotes marks [10:09] and I have to type the qutes button twice and they are not the right quotes [10:09] ogra, rodarvus ? [10:09] sorry for being stupid [10:10] cbx33: in what application? [10:10] (or you mean everywhere) [10:11] everywhere [10:11] happens with the tilde key ~ too [10:12] I went to type ~ogra [10:12] and got a tilde or could have been an umlaut over the o? [10:13] yeh happens with all vowels === ThunderStruck [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [10:30] ping ogra [10:39] OK, heading home for the afternoon. Be on later tonight. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [10:41] ling Laser_away === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #edubuntu [] === markit86 [n=markit86@80-43-70-198.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@137-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sdfsaedcjhm [n=email@200.106.21.227] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] hi [11:18] hi sdfsaedcjhm [11:19] wassup [11:20] not much, just getting rid of spams :( === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [11:21] ah [11:21] you work in edubuntu? === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [11:21] mhz, heheh darn those spams [11:21] cbx33: hehe, indeed, esp. the ones about Viagra stuff [11:21] hehaha [11:22] sdfsaedcjhm: if by work, you mean, I try to evangelise and contribute as much as possible, burning lots of hours a week on this... well, yes, I do. [11:22] lol [11:22] ah [11:22] kool [11:23] whats difference between edubuntu and the other ubuntu distros? [11:23] sdfsaedcjhm: however, most of the stuff i do benefit the spanish speakers users of edubuntu [11:23] default apps are more kid oriented, themeing is more kid oriented, and LTSP [11:23] sdfsaedcjhm, there is no such thing as "ubuntu distros" [11:24] ah [11:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette [11:24] sdfsaedcjhm: all the flavors, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu are all part of the same project really [11:25] they share the same software repositories [11:25] sdfsaedcjhm: basically, Edubuntu is oriented towards a) School Labs, b) Schools wanting a cool distro for their students, c) parents happy with edu apps. [11:25] it's mostly the look and default applications that makes the difference [11:25] ah [11:27] oh, and if you want an LTSP environement just out of the box...Edubuntu does it for you [11:29] whats LTSP [11:29] Linux Terminal Sever Project [11:30] www.ltsp.org [11:30] very cool stuff [11:30] ah === Caraibes [n=Caraibes@tdev233-177.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [11:40] ping LaserJock [11:40] http://www.progbox.co.uk/finals/ [11:40] heheh [11:40] oggs at last [11:41] hehe [11:41] cbx33: nice! [11:43] hehe [11:44] cbx33: i have done an edubuntu wallpaper and style for fluxbox [11:44] nice [11:44] do you fluxbox? [11:45] no [11:45] not usually [11:45] Liverpool! [11:46] cbx33: haha, I'll get .ogg on this thing so I don't get you in any more trouble [11:46] :-) [11:47] hehe [11:47] kool [11:47] I'm still trying to get sabdfl to listen to them [11:47] :p [11:47] what with the ff problem and all [11:47] im waiting for my edubuntu cds to arrive [11:47] cbx33: do you have a nvidia card by chance? [11:47] indeed I do [11:47] y? [11:48] I was thinking of upgrading a box to edgy [11:48] ahhh [11:48] ATI isn't in the best shape it seems in edgy [11:48] well, I wouldn't know [11:48] but this box has an nvidia card [11:48] whether nvidia worked or not [11:48] so I wondered if it work [11:48] because mine is a vmware box [11:49] really? what's it running on? [11:49] what do you mean? [11:49] the vmware machine uses a vmware driver for graphics [11:49] what is vmware running on [11:49] dapper [11:50] not their packager [11:50] hmm [11:50] downloaded from source [11:50] :D [11:51] later guys === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] === sdfsaedcjhm [n=email@200.106.21.227] has joined #edubuntu === mhz gotta log off from ciber :( [12:14] bye mhz