[12:24] <xwind_> Is there a way to prevent users from doing a reboot or shutdown at the terminal/thinclient?
[12:24] <lucasvo> xwind_: dapper fixed this bug
[12:24] <lucasvo> xwind_: If you upgrade to dapper it should work
[12:25] <xwind_> i have dapper. Is this controlled by a config file? which one?
[12:26] <lucasvo> xwind_: well if you log out from gnome afaik the only option is log out, no halt or reboot
[12:26] <lucasvo> xwind_: I can't tell you more, I don't know much about it
[12:26] <xwind_> so it appears that this the default setup.
[12:26] <pygi> lucasvo, it wasn't fixed I think
[12:27] <pygi> you can switch to upstream dialog tho which kinda fixes it
[12:27] <pygi> (gconf key)
[12:29] <xwind_> can i disable the shutdown and reboot functions of thinclient users instead?
[04:08] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:18] <crimsun> hmm, pyweek looks really cool, actually.
[06:20] <LaserJock> cool
[06:21] <crimsun> d'oh, need to fix pygame first.
[06:24] <Burgundavia> crimsun: that is does. Too bad it uses sdl and thus excludes it from main
[06:24] <crimsun> erm...
[06:24] <crimsun> libsdl1.2debian | 1.2.10-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[06:24] <crimsun>  libsdl1.2 | 1.2.10-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources
[06:24] <Burgundavia> oh, wait
[06:25] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:25] <Burgundavia> in other news --> 
[06:25] <crimsun> lovely weather!
[06:25] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[06:25] <Burgundavia> the delay was due to the wrong url in my clipbaord
[06:28] <Burgundavia> crimsun: give me feedback, dammit. You too LaserJock
[06:29] <LaserJock> lol
[06:30] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: the Gnome foot falls off the bottom here
[06:31] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: rendering bug due to conversion to pdf with inkscape 0.43. Not a major issue
[06:31] <Burgundavia> 0.44 solves all those
[07:52] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage, long time, no see
[07:55] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia 
[07:55] <highvoltage> yes, been catching up with my personal life last week
[08:39] <RichEd> morning ...
[09:08] <RichEd> hello highvoltage 
[09:09] <highvoltage> hello RichEd 
[09:10] <RichEd> this winter seems to be making up for the last few years meager rainfalls
[09:11] <RichEd> wuold have been faster to take my kids to school in a rubber duckie this morning
[09:12] <highvoltage> it wasn't /that/ bad :)
[09:12] <highvoltage> the lightning was cool though
[09:15] <cbx33> Mornin all
[09:24] <highvoltage> morning cbx33!
[09:25] <cbx33> MOrning HiVoLtAgE
[09:29] <cbx33> RichEd, can I aska question
[09:29] <RichEd> sure cbx33 ... just back from a spontaneous XTalk quit ... strange behaviour on my machine today
[09:30] <cbx33> heh
[09:30] <cbx33> um, you know I'm working on the new UbuntuSounds?
[09:30] <RichEd> yessir
[09:30] <cbx33> Well, Troy_s and I decided we think the palette is large enough to show to "higher up" people
[09:31] <RichEd> sounds god ;)
[09:31] <RichEd> good i mean :P
[09:31] <cbx33> hehe
[09:31] <cbx33> Troy reckons it should be brought up at a CC meeting for peole to look at
[09:31] <cbx33> So I talked to Frank Schoep, the artwork chief
[09:31] <cbx33> and he seemed a little unsure about what the CC meeting is for
[09:31] <RichEd> CC meeting .. new lingo for me ... expand ?
[09:31] <cbx33> what would you recommend?
[09:32] <cbx33> the community council meeting
[09:32] <cbx33> there is one today
[09:32] <cbx33> and I'd like to get some direction
[09:32] <cbx33> from people who will probably be making the decision
[09:33] <cbx33> If you get my drift...just wondered what your opinion was on the matter
[09:34] <RichEd> i'm quite new to the decison making process ... give me a bit of background as to the "matter at hand" ... i.e.
[09:34] <RichEd> you're doing new sounds ...
[09:34] <cbx33> ok
[09:34] <RichEd> who requested them ?
[09:34] <RichEd> what is the impact ?
[09:34] <cbx33> exactly, the sounds havn't been changed in at least 2 releases
[09:34] <RichEd> how were the sounds initially chosen ?
[09:34] <cbx33> there was a spec to do them, but nobody has taken it up
[09:35] <cbx33> there is an ubuntu-audio team....but it seems really dead
[09:35] <cbx33> troy/frank think that the sounds fall under artwork jurisdiction
[09:35] <cbx33> everyone in artwork seems happy with the way the sounds are going
[09:35] <cbx33> I'm unsure how they were originally chosen
[09:35] <cbx33> I wasn't around then
[09:35] <RichEd> q: how often does the CC meet ?
[09:35] <cbx33> an Ubuntu n00b really
[09:36] <cbx33> once a week i think?
[09:36] <RichEd> q: are your sounds for Edubuntu or Ubuntu
[09:36] <cbx33> Ubuntu, with the option of possibly creatign a distinct sound for edubuntu too
[09:38] <RichEd> so if you want to take the gentle approval route ... how about:
[09:38] <RichEd> 1) you table the request for consideration at today's meeting
[09:38] <RichEd> 2) you get names of people who want to listen & offer opinion
[09:39] <RichEd> 3) send them an email, with sounds (or links) an a voting option
[09:39] <RichEd> 4) include : "leave sounds as is" as an option
[09:39] <cbx33> of course
[09:39] <cbx33> ok, thank you RichEd 
[09:40] <cbx33> should I modify the CC meeting Agenda?
[09:40] <RichEd> 5) let them know that next meeting, you will discuss results of voting ?
[09:40] <RichEd> ... in that way, it is fair, everyone who is actually intersted can sample, and there is a "paper trail" for the decision
[09:41] <RichEd> i'd say yes ... so today, you introduce the decision process ... and tell people next meeting is decision actual
[09:41] <RichEd> imho of course
[09:42] <cbx33> hehe
[09:42] <cbx33> ok, np
[09:44] <willvdl> RichEd: Do you know anything of the African Virtual University?
[09:45] <RichEd> willvdl: i've comea cross the name before ... but can't say i've dug very deep
[09:46] <RichEd> it would be a good discussion topic for Duncan Greaves (TENET) ...
[09:46] <willvdl> hmmm. Seems to be one of the e-commission areas
[09:46] <willvdl> e-learning in general that is. 
[09:47] <RichEd> browse around http://www.tenet.ac.za/ when you get a chance ... we must set up a meeting with Duncan soon ... overlap with TENET & NEPAD countries
[09:50] <RichEd> re: http://www.avu.org/ check if there is "any recommended place to buy hardware" etc. how do they expect their students to get up & connected
[09:50] <RichEd> we may be able to provide an Edubuntu / Ubuntu OEM link ? just a thought ... same thing for UNISA etc.
[09:53] <willvdl> funny how they've never really been mentioned around e-schools, yet in a NEPAD context, they are there to support them
[09:53] <willvdl> will dig some more
[10:08] <cbx33> RichEd, all sorted
[10:09] <RichEd> 100's
[10:10] <RichEd> send me the sample email ... i'll give them a listen ... also let me know what your thoughts are about extending changes to edubuntu
[10:24] <cbx33> RichEd, you said to meet up again today regarding the ESA/pack idea
[10:34] <RichEd> cbx33: meeting with willvdl face-to-face to flesh out a project plan ... that's moved to tomorrow ... will update you with framework when agreed & then will add ESA in as Task#1
[10:35] <RichEd> will be adding Burgundavia & tuXlabs Edubuntu choice as Task#2
[10:35] <RichEd> in the meanwhile, for yours, can you think of the respective audiences we need to target ?
[10:35] <RichEd> short & sweet versions to:
[10:36] <RichEd> 1) school IT admin
[10:36] <RichEd> 2) school teacher
[10:36] <RichEd> 3) education department decision maker
[10:36] <RichEd> ??
[10:37] <cbx33> ok
[10:37] <cbx33> I'll have a think
[10:41] <cbx33> are you talking about seperate versions to those audicences? targetted?
[10:41] <cbx33> the main point of the ESA was for it to be useful to all groups, but we could possibly pull out some sectiosn and add others
[10:51] <RichEd> i would say 1) general ... full version
[10:51] <RichEd> 2) 2 pager (i.e. 1 double side) quick read for each audience
[10:52] <RichEd> where each 2 pager refers to links to:
[10:52] <RichEd> a) the full doc ... in a format that can be printed on site
[10:52] <RichEd> b) the short versions ... in a format that can be printed on site
[10:53] <RichEd> i.e. if someone responds well to the short version (ideal for conference hand-out) they are able to print & distrubute & thereby evangelise for us when they get back to home turf
[10:53] <cbx33> ok sounds good
[10:54] <cbx33> When ESA first started, the sections were titled with questions, do you think this is appropriate for the school teacher/decision maker targetting?
[10:57] <RichEd> lets get the main version complete and agreed to by all ... then we need to examine the value equation = buttons to push for each audience type
[10:57] <RichEd> it is important to address the issues that affect them ... those are what they will respond to
[10:57] <RichEd> general hypotehetical question & answer may not be a effective
[11:03] <cbx33> RichEd, true
[11:04] <RichEd> 'lo again highvoltage : can we try for that meeting tomorrow ?
[11:42] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[12:08] <RichEd> (i've got to take my son to the physio ... so i'll be on a long lunch hour today)
[12:09] <willvdl> 3G...way of the future :)
[12:20] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[12:20] <ogra> pong
[12:20] <cbx33> ogra, how is scp development
[12:21] <ogra> nonexistent
[12:22] <cbx33> I was going to setup an edubuntu server system here so I can work on it
[12:22] <ogra> i'm working on local devices 
[12:22] <cbx33> ok
[12:22] <cbx33> I'll try and jump in on some
[12:22] <cbx33> can I ask a question
[12:23] <ogra> sure
[12:23] <cbx33> I have my router acting as a DHCP server at the mo, which I am reluctant to stop 
[12:23] <cbx33> is there a way to tell a client to use a specific DHCP server?
[12:23] <cbx33> or do I have to start looking into using virtual networks on vmware?
[12:25] <cbx33> only trouble is I want one machien to be a real machine ....see how complicated this gets?
[12:26] <ogra> get two NIS
[12:26] <ogra> *NICs
[12:26] <cbx33> yeh, I suppose that's the only way
[12:26] <cbx33> and the only trouble I only have one here
[12:26] <cbx33> ogra you got two secs in a pm?
[12:26] <ogra> make one act as dhcp client at your router and the other one as thin client dhcp server
[12:26] <cbx33> yeh
[12:26] <cbx33> I'll borrow one from work tomorrow
[12:26] <ogra> shoot
[12:38] <rodarvus> gcj is rocking my planet
[12:38] <rodarvus> due to gc brokeness, apt-get wants to remove about 12 packages during dist-upgrade :)
[12:38] <ogra> fun :)
[12:39] <rodarvus> s/gc/gcj/
[12:39] <rodarvus> also I'm unable to read my emails since last Friday
[12:40] <ogra> evo ?
[12:40] <rodarvus> yup
[12:40] <rodarvus> I've seen seb128's email yesterday
[12:40] <ogra> did you try to upgrade only the vo related packages ? 
[12:40] <ogra> *evo
[12:41] <ogra> that meant only that evo ftbfs through firefox breakage
[12:41] <ogra> shouldnt affect end users
[12:41] <ogra> the evo packages are often out of sync during devel releases
[12:42] <rodarvus> no, evolution is broken due to libnss3 being rather different since firefox 1.5
[12:42] <rodarvus> seb128 was unable to recompile evolution (ftbfs) and could not find and fixes until now
[12:43] <ogra> but there was no evolution upload since the firefox one ...
[12:43] <rodarvus> s/and/any/
[12:43] <ogra> it cant be linked against the new libnss3 yet
[12:43] <rodarvus> yes, because evolution fails to build :)
[01:17] <cbx33> ogra, you know you said about indexing on the usplash image ??
[01:17] <cbx33> is there any doc/person who knows about it
[01:18] <ogra> ubuntu-art :)
[01:18] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <cbx33> ogra does this apply to us https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/ChangeUsplash
[01:33] <ogra> cbx33, really, no idea ...
[01:33] <ogra> there were a lot of changes in edgy 
[01:33] <cbx33> who would know where we are with usplash
[01:33] <ogra> ubuntu-art
[01:34] <cbx33> lisa wants to redesign it, but we need to know techinical constraints
[01:34] <ogra> they know it ...
[01:34] <ogra> or mjg59 for deeper tech knowledge
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra, is ubiquity faster to install that d-i ?
[02:28] <ogra> in edubuntu, yes ...
[02:29] <ogra> indeed
[02:30] <highvoltage> where would ubiquity be slower than d-i?
[02:30] <pygi> ogra, care to promote libburn and stuff? I need testing for libburn-over-cdrecord layer
[02:30] <pygi> meaning altought apps think they use cdrecord, they use libburn
[02:30] <cbx33> sorry I'm just using the edubuntu shipit cd, and noting the difference in install times between that and the ubuntu one
[02:37] <highvoltage> pygi: wow, that sounds cool
[02:38] <pygi> highvoltage, :)
[02:40] <highvoltage> cdrecord is really painful
[02:41] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed, but perhaps never we'll have a solid replacement
[02:41] <highvoltage> :(
[02:42] <pygi> highvoltage, I am not skilled enough to implement fine-grained stuff in libburn, altought I will implement stuff that I am able to, ofcourse
[02:43] <pygi> and contributors are mostly non-existant (altought we have few people interested in libburn)
[02:44] <highvoltage> i previously thought that there was a big group of people working on libburn, and that it would naturally eventually replace cdrecord :(
[02:44] <pygi> highvoltage, the libburn development was stopped two years ago
[02:45] <highvoltage> geepers :/
[02:47] <pygi> highvoltage, so that's why I need promotion ^_^
[02:47] <highvoltage> yeah
[02:48] <DrkLrd> hi guys
[02:48] <DrkLrd> its ajayc here
[02:48] <DrkLrd> finally am showing off edubuntu at our school science exhibiton
[02:48] <DrkLrd> someone will surely notice
[02:48] <DrkLrd> :)
[02:48] <DrkLrd> sup pygi 
[02:49] <pygi> DrkLrd, fighting with libburn stuff ^_^ 
[02:50] <DrkLrd> lol
[02:50] <DrkLrd> now i am ready to contribute
[02:50] <DrkLrd> exams over
[02:50] <DrkLrd> yipeeee!!!
[02:50] <DrkLrd> and first step to distribute edubuntu and ubuntu cd
[02:50] <pygi> eh ^_^
[02:50] <DrkLrd> and showcase edubuntu excellently at school exhibition
[02:50] <DrkLrd> any tips?
[02:55] <DrkLrd> sorry
[02:55] <DrkLrd> missed it
[02:55] <DrkLrd> ah so any tips?
[02:56] <DrkLrd> pygi, ?
[02:56] <DrkLrd> ogra, ?
[02:57] <pygi> DrkLrd, who are you trying to impress? :)
[02:57] <DrkLrd> everyone :D
[02:58] <DrkLrd> and to do something for edubuntu
[02:58] <DrkLrd> and not be a freeloader :D
[03:01] <RichEd> willvdl: you dere ?
[03:02] <willvdl> yip
[03:02] <RichEd> okay with that ?
[03:02] <willvdl> okie. shall we pm?
[03:02] <pygi> RichEd, not for you :P
[03:02] <RichEd> yep ... will ping you here and hive off ...
[03:03] <willvdl> 10-9-8-
[03:03] <DrkLrd> no tips? :(
[03:03] <RichEd> pygi: pray explain that comment ?
[03:03] <pygi> RichEd, eh, nothing, sorry :)
[03:03] <RichEd> DrkLrd: i can help ... when do you present ?
[03:04] <DrkLrd> edubuntu
[03:04] <RichEd> :)
[03:04] <DrkLrd> pay? never mate
[03:04] <DrkLrd> linux rocks!
[03:04] <DrkLrd> though linspire sucks
[03:05] <DrkLrd> i will get that work done
[03:05] <RichEd> why does linspire suck ? just interested
[03:05] <DrkLrd> tell me how do i get actively involved in edubuntu
 DrkLrd: i can help ... when do you present ?
[03:05] <DrkLrd> RichEd, CNR and its commercial
[03:05] <DrkLrd> RichEd, maybe in 2 weeks
[03:06] <DrkLrd> got it! http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[03:06] <RichEd> okay ... bit of a rush then ... and where ? CNR <- wot's dis den
[03:06] <RichEd> and whats the difference between CNR and "and showcase edubuntu excellently at school exhibition"
[03:06] <DrkLrd> notin
[03:07] <DrkLrd> i just said linspire sucks cos it has CNR
[03:07] <pygi> DrkLrd, we have klik!
[03:08] <DrkLrd> pygi, i know mate ! that is why CNR sucks!
[03:09] <DrkLrd> ok what about participating actively?
[03:09] <RichEd> so whats CNR ... please deacronmyate into laymans english !
[03:09] <DrkLrd> i see edubuntu has less no. of users here
[03:09] <RichEd> where is here ?
[03:09] <DrkLrd> RichEd, its a paid service for Applications and various packages
[03:09] <DrkLrd> #edubuntu
[03:09] <DrkLrd> :P
[03:10] <pygi> RichEd, http://www.linspire.com/cnr_router.php
[03:11] <pygi> "our" counterpart: http://klik.atekon.de/
[03:11] <RichEd> okay ... now I understand what you are saying, but don't baste "the evil brush" around too widely :) income is needed for actual work to make the economy go around ... but that is a big topic to tackle now ...
[03:12] <RichEd> right .. let me lay out a quick plan :)
[03:12] <cbx33> ping rodarvus 
[03:12] <RichEd> DrkLrd:  give me 5 mins to wrap my email thread & get a coffee
[03:12] <rodarvus> cbx33, pong
[03:12] <willvdl> before he pings me :)
[03:12] <RichEd> willvdl: give me 15 minutes to harness DrkLrd to the Edubuntu yolk
[03:13] <cbx33> rodarvus, how much you know about scp?
[03:13] <rodarvus> little
[03:13] <RichEd> DrkLrd: I'm the new Education Programme Manager ... I am very intersted in helping you to help us ... deal ?
[03:13] <rodarvus> ogra wrote it
[03:13] <cbx33> I know, just wondering if I'm ok to develop on dapper
[03:13] <willvdl> hmm, linspire screenshots look pretty
[03:14] <rodarvus> cbx33, quite probably, unless you're going to depend on any edgy-only feature
[03:14] <rodarvus> such as local devices support
[03:15] <cbx33> no yet I'm not
[03:15] <rodarvus> cbx33, best to coordinate your efforts with ogra, though
[03:15] <cbx33> yes I was but then he went awol :p
[03:15] <rodarvus> to make sure you two won't be doing the same thing at the same time :)
[03:16] <cbx33> ogra has done nothing...he already told me :p
[03:16] <cbx33> hence why I'm trying to help out
[03:16] <cbx33> he's too busy with local devices
[03:16] <rodarvus> nice
[03:16] <RichEd> DrkLrd: right mail is wrapped ... getting my coffee ... can we move to a pvt window ?
[03:16] <rodarvus> we have a spec (under review I think) for scp
[03:16] <rodarvus> have you looked there, already?
[03:16] <cbx33> yes
[03:17] <cbx33> I'm fixing a few bugs first
[03:17] <rodarvus> nice
[03:17] <cbx33> crikey edubuntu is FAST in vmware
[03:17] <RichEd> hi rodarvus : haven't said a decent hello to you today :)
[03:18] <rodarvus> RichEd, hi there :)
[03:19] <rodarvus> I need to make a test locally (which can possibly crash my machine)
[03:19] <rodarvus> so if it happens in the next 20-30 minutes, you know why :)
[03:24] <RichEd> willvdl: damn ... gotta go out for a collection - 30 mins ... can we shift to 4:00pm ?
[03:25] <willvdl> no problemo
[03:25] <willvdl> gives me time to get my spreadsheet neater :)
[03:28] <cbx33> ogra, pm about scp :p
[03:42] <sbalneav> Morning all!!
[03:42] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, dude, got your email!  
[03:43] <ogra> totally annoyed
[03:44] <sbalneav> Whats up?  Not with me, I hope? :)
[03:45] <sbalneav> Whats up?  Not with me, I hope? :) <-- Don't know wether you caught that before logoff :)
[03:45] <ogra> sbalneav, no, indeed not with you, but i seem not to be able to type more than one sentence without my network completely dying
[03:45] <ogra> seems all wlan routers went mad here over night
[03:45] <sbalneav> Ooh, that's a bummer.
[03:46] <willvdl> it's Monday, don't be so hard on yourself :\
[03:47] <ogra> well, its nearly 4pm, i havent done *any* work yet ... cant get my mail and want to have ltsp localdev done by thursday
[03:47] <sbalneav> can you mail out? Send me what you've got.  I'll work with you this week and give you a hand.
[03:48] <ogra> i'm not hard to myself ... but i'm near trying to accelerate that linksys AP to lightspeed to see what happens if it hits the wall
[03:48] <ogra> sbalneav, ther is nothing to work on atm, we need pitti aboard to get the pmount patch in ...
[03:49] <ogra> gnome-vfs is no option because it would restrict us to gnome
[03:49] <cbx33> ogra, pmount for unionfs?
[03:49] <cbx33> he keeps doing that :p
[03:49] <sbalneav> I think it's his router that keeps verlassending things :)
[03:50] <sbalneav> wb :)
[03:50] <cbx33> ogra, your net connec tio nseems bad today
[03:50] <cbx33> so deso my space bar
[03:51] <ogra> sbalneav, we need to discuss it with pitti (which is quite hard for me without being able to type more than a few sentences)
[03:51] <ogra> sbalneav, did you try the bind mount ` 
[03:51] <ogra> ?
[03:52] <sbalneav> ogra: How would the sudo bit be handled?  Would we put something in sudoers that would require no password to be entered, or when a user plugs in a memory stick, would it need a password?
[03:52] <sbalneav> ogra: I'll play with it today/night
[03:53] <sbalneav> brb, work ping...
[03:57] <sbalneav> would adding it to pmount make it so that the user wouldn't need to do a sudo?
[04:01] <sbalneav> would adding it to pmount make it so that the user wouldn't need to do a sudo?
[04:01] <sbalneav> Poor Ollie
[04:01] <ogra_> yep
[04:01] <ogra_> we dont want sudo 
[04:01] <sbalneav> right.
[04:01] <sbalneav> Want me to talk to pitti?
[04:02] <ogra_> try it :)
[04:02] <sbalneav> okie
[04:02] <ogra_> as i said, he wants it to be a gnome-vfs change
[04:02] <ogra_> but then we cant support KDE/XFCE
[04:02] <ogra_> would not be a real upstream solution :)
[04:08] <RichEd> ping willvdl 
[04:09] <willvdl> pong
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hi!
[04:14] <sbalneav> morning jsgotangco 
[04:15] <jsgotangco> hi scott!
[04:16] <sbalneav> ogra: ok, so suid scripts it is.
[04:17] <ogra> well, yes
[04:18] <ogra> i'm not really happy with the fact that we need one ... but there is no way around it seems
[04:18] <sbalneav> That's ok, solves the problem.
[04:19] <sbalneav> You know that the colours orange and yellow make you hungry, right?  That's why fast food places all use those colours.  If you've got an orangey office, I predict lots of snacking while coding :)
[04:19] <ogra> well, its a security issue we always have to regard
[04:20] <sbalneav> yeah, this is true.  No strcpy's allowed.
[04:21] <ogra> i'd have preferred to have it included in pmount, so it gets pittis attention every release automatically
[04:21] <ogra> but we cant force him :)
[04:22] <cbx33> ogra, do you konw if there is any chance of loop mounting getting included in pmount?
[04:24] <cbx33> so i could use it in gisomount
[04:24] <ogra> unlikely 
[04:24] <ogra> same security probs as bind mounting has
[04:24] <RichEd> willvdl: did a window open up with some mesages from me ?
[04:24] <ogra> but you could steal the wrapper we will have to write for ltspfs
[04:25] <sbalneav> ogra: how's your mad C coding skilz?  Want me to code the wrapper?
[04:25] <ogra> and just replace --bind with --loop ;)
[04:25] <ogra> i'm very bad in C
[04:25] <sbalneav> ok
[04:25] <ogra> its enough to write patches but my code usually is horrible
[04:25] <sbalneav> I can do it.
[04:25] <willvdl> RichEd: are my replies not getting to you?
[04:26] <ogra> btw, tel me why you think that ldm in C would have a smaller mem footprint 
[04:26] <ogra> *tell
[04:26] <Amaranth> i thought you were making a shell script
[04:26] <ogra> we still need to keep the theme in memory
[04:26] <RichEd> nope ... let me close & open another window
[04:26] <sbalneav> So, we want a ltspmount --add and --remove /tmp/somemount to /media/somemount, yes?
[04:26] <willvdl> I think it's my gaim client
[04:26] <ogra> Amaranth, there are no such things like suid shellscripts ;)
[04:27] <ogra> sbalneav, we can hardcode the /tmp/somemount part
[04:27] <ogra> and we shuld use hidden dirs in /tmp ...
[04:27] <cbx33> ok ogra thanks
[04:27] <ogra> btw, the vfs'es support subdirs in /media
[04:27] <Amaranth> i've got a couple right here...*men in black with swords* aaaaaaah *silence*
[04:27] <cbx33> I swaer I'll never get this far behind again
[04:27] <willvdl> I'm getting yours but mine aren't going through...
[04:27] <sbalneav> ogra: how?  we don't know what the device is going to be called? when it gets plugged in?
[04:27] <ogra> so i'd suggest /media/$IP/device
[04:27] <RichEd> ahhh ... i'm using XChat have you got that loaded ?
[04:28] <willvdl> using Gaim. must be myclient
[04:28] <ogra> sbalneav, huh ? indeed we know what its called if udev calls ltspfs
[04:28] <willvdl> lemme jsut give you a call. cell OK?
[04:29] <Amaranth> ogra: so, i'm starting to think pre-training willowng is a bad idea
[04:29] <sbalneav> ogra: argh!  Can't type fast enough.  What's your phone #, I'll just call you.
[04:29] <ogra> sbalneav, voip ?
[04:29] <sbalneav> nah, landline.  not me paying for it :)
[04:30] <ogra> mom
[04:30] <sbalneav> work lets me (ab)use the phone for LTSP purposes.
[04:30] <ogra> i need to look it up :)
[04:31] <ogra> +49 561 521 74 83 (i think)
[04:43] <sbalneav> I can talk much faster than I can type :)
[04:51] <cbx33> can I ask
[04:52] <cbx33> who here actually reads/uses the Edubuntu Meeting Minutes?
[04:53] <ogra> me if i need to look up stuff its easier than reading the log
[04:53] <ogra> and i guess the guys from the weekly newsletter
[04:55] <cbx33> ok
[04:55] <cbx33> I'll keep on doing them then, they are just pretty time consuming
[04:56] <cbx33> just wondered if people actually used them
[04:56] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[04:56] <ogra> well, i personally could use the log ...
[04:56] <ogra> but i dont know about the UWN guys
[04:56] <cbx33> ogra if it makes it easier for you :p
[04:57] <cbx33> I'm going to try to get them done same day now
[04:57] <cbx33> I do apologise for my slack approach
[04:59] <cbx33> ogra did I miss your reply to my question about developing scp on dapper?
[04:59] <ogra> no, really, i'm fine with reading the logs
[04:59] <ogra> but talk to the UWN guys
[04:59] <cbx33> ok
[04:59] <cbx33> is dapper ok for scp development for now?
[05:00] <cbx33> or would edgy be preferable?
[05:00] <ogra> dapper is not ok for *any* development
[05:00] <ogra> we dont develop for dapper anymore ;)
[05:00] <cbx33> ok
[05:02] <ogra> note that the current ltsp-build-client doesnt run any of the ltsp-update-* scripts atm
[05:02] <ogra> you need to run them manually
[05:05] <cbx33> ok
[05:08] <cbx33> this is gonna take a while ;)
[05:08] <cbx33> esp on a vmware machine
[05:13] <cbx33> thanks ogra :p - now "everyone" thinks I'm a dolt :p
[05:14] <ogra> heh, sorry 
[05:14] <cbx33> I'm j/k
[05:15] <cbx33> ogra, expect some scp updates tonight, I'm hoping to put my few bug fixes into my branch and start working on some of the specs if I get time
[05:15] <ogra> great
[05:16] <sbalneav>   Look at me.  Now I can do japanese smileys too!
[05:16] <ogra> hehe
[05:16] <cbx33> w00t
[05:17] <cbx33> ogra, when do you think gisomount will make it into universe?
[05:17] <sbalneav> ok, gotta head off and buy some ups batteries. be back later
[05:17] <cbx33> or grasynco?
[05:17] <cbx33> c ya sbalneav 
[05:18] <ogra> isnt it in the NEW queue ? 
[05:19] <cbx33> yes
[05:19] <cbx33>  	2006-07-17 23:10:06 BST
[05:19] <ogra> and which archive admin did you ask to promote/review it ?
[05:19] <cbx33> none?
[05:20] <cbx33> I wasn't told I had to
[05:20] <cbx33> it was approved on REVU
[05:20] <cbx33> and moved into the NEW queue, from there I was under the impression I had to wait till someone was able to do it?
[05:20] <cbx33> is that wrong?
[05:21] <ogra> well, usually the person who uploaded cares but if they dont, poke one of the archive admins to review it
[05:21] <cbx33> is there a list of those anywhere?
[05:21] <ogra> i.e. Keybuk
[05:21] <cbx33> is this process documented?
[05:21] <cbx33> the whole uploading to universe for the first time thing
[05:23] <ogra> no idea
[05:23] <ogra> but if, then it should be on the developer resources wikipage
[05:23] <cbx33> it's a very confusing process
[05:23] <cbx33> yeh
[05:25] <cbx33> ogra, sorry another question
[05:26] <cbx33> you know in a meeting a while back you said ESA should be translated on rosetta?
[05:26] <cbx33> how would one go about doing that?
[05:26] <ogra> i think contacting the doc team would be a good start ... i belive you need to have it in docbook first
[05:26] <cbx33> it is in docbook :p
[05:27] <cbx33> it's in the docteams svn repo too
[05:45] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:45] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[05:45] <cbx33> deja vu ?
[05:45] <bddebian> Hello again cbx33 ;-)
[06:12] <cbx33> Mr LaserJock Good AfterNooooooooooon
[06:13] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:23] <sbalneav> Back, with $150 worth of new lead acid cells.
[06:24] <LaserJock> heh
[06:32] <Petaris> sbalneav: New laptop battery then?
[06:32] <Petaris> haha
[06:32] <sbalneav> No, new batteries for the UPS on our database server :(
[06:32] <Petaris> ahh
[06:32] <Petaris> only $150?
[06:32] <Petaris> nice
[06:36] <sbalneav> Yeah, the trick is not to buy lead acid cells at a computer shop.  We've got a shop here in town that deals in nothing but batteries: automotive and industrial.  They've got the batteries at about 1/2 the price that a computer shop would charge.
[06:36] <LaserJock> oh, good idea
[06:37] <Petaris> cool
[06:38] <sbalneav> hey, a 6v 12ah cell's a 6v 12ah cell.  They're all the same :)
[06:38] <ogra> my UPS has these standard batteries they use in remote controlled models ...
[06:38] <ogra> a stack of them ...
[06:39] <ogra> but its quite cheap to replace them  :)
[06:47] <sbalneav> ogra: OK, I've started in on the mount wrapper (in amongst the bits of my regular 9-5 job).  I'll have it completed by tonight.
[06:47] <ogra> WOW !
[06:47] <ogra> i'll jump on the cdpinger tonight or tomorrow
[06:48] <ogra> btw, after 8h playing music, my client was using 115 MB for no apparent reason ... 
[06:48] <ogra> then dropped down to 50M againg
[06:48] <ogra> and 10 mins later died 
[06:48] <sbalneav> did top show anything?
[06:49] <sbalneav> Were you running it, or just using free?
[06:49] <ogra> my usbdisk is ext3 and a saw kjournald juming up and down in top, but without any signifacnt mem usage
[06:49] <ogra> i'm running top constantly on tty1
[06:50] <ogra> but there is absolutely *nothing* there 
[06:50] <sbalneav> weeeird.
[06:50] <sbalneav> ok, I'll poke about a bit tonight.
[06:50] <ogra> all i cant think of is that the journal grows in memory or something ...
[06:51] <ogra> i sadly dont have a second usb disk here atm
[06:51] <ogra> else i'd try with a vfat fromatted one
[07:34] <cbx33> pin ogra 
[07:34] <ogra> ouch
[07:34] <cbx33> hehe
[07:34] <cbx33> um, I just did a dist upgrade, and now gdm won;t start
[07:34] <cbx33> just thought I'd let you know
[07:34] <cbx33> I also can't view the output
[07:34] <ogra> oh, why is that ? 
[07:34] <cbx33> because the ncurses screen is all strange
[07:35] <cbx33> gonna try a dpkg-reconfigure
[07:35] <ogra> all strange ? 
[07:35] <cbx33> strange characters and no readable text
[07:35] <cbx33> I'll do a screen shot if I can;t reconfigure
[07:35] <ogra> i suspect if you look into the recent Xorg.log in /var/log/ you will find that the font "fixed" cant be found
[07:36] <ogra> but thats only a rough guess :)
[07:36] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:36] <cbx33> xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed
[07:38] <cbx33> ok got it working
[07:38] <cbx33> needed a forced reinstall of xserver-xorg
[07:40] <ogra> that shouldnt happen i guess, rodarvus ?
[07:40] <rodarvus> no, xfonts-base was fixed earlier this week
[07:40] <rodarvus> to make sure this problem won't happen
[07:41] <rodarvus> this is triggered by an upgrade of xfonts-base before xfonts-utils is fully setup
[07:41] <cbx33> when i did the reinstall it did say something about the /etc/X11/X had been modified and wouldn't be replaced
[07:41] <ogra> well, there must have been another issue ... 
[07:41] <cbx33> I would say I'll test it again, but it's taken 5-6 hours to get to this point :p
[07:41] <ogra> did you have any errors in the first upgrade ? 
[07:42] <ogra> before you ran the manual one with --reinstall ? 
[07:42] <cbx33> well X wouldn't start and came up with a funny ncurses screen
[07:42] <cbx33> on trying to start it again manually same thing happened
[07:43] <cbx33> then I did the dpkg-reconfigure, and it said xserver-xorg was broekn or not fully installed
[07:43] <cbx33> that's when I did a manual reinstall of xsedrver-xorg
[07:44] <ogra> i mean during the upgrade
[07:44] <ogra> not afterwards
[07:44] <cbx33> didn't see one
[07:44] <cbx33> brb
[07:44] <cbx33> 10 - 15 mins
[07:55] <rodarvus> /etc/X11/X had been modified and wouldn't be replaced <- not an issue actually
[07:56] <rodarvus> cbx33, try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base" to see if it fixes your problem
[07:57] <rodarvus> . o O ( hmm, a few funny warnings here )
[08:35] <cbx33> ***GAH*** what's happened to usplash
[08:35] <pygi> cbx33, broken :)
[08:35] <cbx33> heheh
[08:35] <cbx33> i'll say
[08:38] <cbx33> gnome panel seems broken too
[08:38] <cbx33> cliking on applications doesn't yield a very pretty sight
[08:40] <cbx33> but system and places are ok
[08:46] <sbalneav> ogra: ping, still awake?
[08:47] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ogra is always awake, as far as I know
[08:47] <sbalneav> He's a man on a mission.
[08:48] <sbalneav> I'll see if he's in -devel
[08:51] <cbx33> grrrr, what culd be wrong :(
[08:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: oh, is Applications flickering?
[08:54] <cbx33> yes that's one thing
[08:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: go to /etc/xdg/menus/ and remove the bad link to the debian menu
[08:56] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[08:56] <cbx33> w00t thanks LaserJock 
[08:56] <cbx33> you certainly know your stuff :p
[08:56] <LaserJock> only cause I had the same problem
[08:57] <sbalneav> hey
[08:57] <ogra> whats up ?
[08:57] <sbalneav> ogra: What "standard" direcory in /tmp do we want to mount to for the ltspfs mount? /tmp/.uid-ltspfs/mountpoint?
[08:57] <ogra> sounds sensible ...
[08:57] <sbalneav> i.e. /tmp/.sbalneav-ltspfs/my_usb_stick?
[08:58] <ogra> we could also do /tmp/.clientip-ltspfs/mountpoint
[08:58] <ogra> but thats bigger effort
[08:58] <ogra> no, tkae the real ID
[08:58] <ogra> i.e. /tmp/.1000-ltspfs/my_usb_stick
[08:58] <ogra> its invisible anyway
[08:59] <sbalneav> oh?  not the named id?
[08:59] <ogra> so it doesnt matter, but we likely should distingush by user 
[08:59] <ogra> so forget the clientip stuff :)
[09:00] <ogra> well, the UID is as easy to get as the username, pick as you like ;)
[09:00] <ogra> i can adjust the scripts here ...
[09:00] <sbalneav> okeydokey, will do.  I'll go by the name.  More "intuitive"
[09:00] <ogra> as i said, nobody will see it apart from us :)
[09:01] <sbalneav> OK, *I* find it more intuitive :)
[09:01] <sbalneav> lol
[09:01] <ogra> heh, ok :)
[09:01] <sbalneav> I'm about 1/2 done.
[09:01] <ogra> wow
[09:01] <ogra> youre impressive ... did i ever tell you ? 
[09:02] <sbalneav> Yes!  But I always enjoy hearing it again.
[09:02] <bddebian> heh
[09:02] <ogra> :)
[09:03] <sbalneav> I am also exceedingly good looking, and a connesuer of fine wines and food.  You forgot to mention that as well.  Please do not make this mistake again :)
[09:03] <sbalneav> However, spelling is not my strong suit.
[09:03] <ogra> one at a time :)
[09:03] <cbx33> ogra, getting a permission denied on a client booting
[09:04] <ogra> ??
[09:04] <cbx33> on my new edgy box
[09:04] <sbalneav> drat, someone, what's the correct spelling of conneseur?  I could google it, but that's cheating.
[09:04] <ogra> it think with ai
[09:04] <cbx33> sbalneav, google it, ogra will never know :p
[09:04] <ogra> connaiseur
[09:05] <sbalneav> Ah, that looks closer.
[09:05] <ogra> cbx33, i'll be back later, you need to be a bit more descritive ;)
[09:05] <cbx33> mount failed:
[09:05] <cbx33> nfs mount
[09:05] <cbx33> ok
[09:05] <cbx33> I'll try and figure it out
[09:05] <cbx33> I ran the ltsp-update-sshkeys
[09:07] <cbx33> I figured it out
[09:07] <cbx33> inthe upgrade it replace the exports file
[09:11] <sbalneav> oooh.
[09:11] <sbalneav> I just realized a snag
[09:12] <sbalneav> crumb.  How to get out of this one :(
[09:12] <sbalneav> errrm
[09:22] <cbx33> can we make it so the grub entries read Edubuntu in Edgy?
[09:33] <cbx33> fixed :D
[09:41] <cbx33> bzr is bloody broken in edgy
[10:09] <cbx33> what is this thing in edgy where I get funny quotes marks
[10:09] <cbx33> and I have to type the qutes button twice and they are not the right quotes
[10:09] <cbx33> ogra, rodarvus ?
[10:09] <cbx33> sorry for being stupid
[10:10] <rodarvus> cbx33: in what application?
[10:10] <rodarvus> (or you mean everywhere)
[10:11] <cbx33> everywhere
[10:11] <cbx33> happens with the tilde key ~ too
[10:12] <cbx33> I went to type ~ogra
[10:12] <cbx33> and got a tilde or could have been an umlaut over the o?
[10:13] <cbx33> yeh happens with all vowels
[10:30] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[10:39] <sbalneav> OK, heading home for the afternoon.  Be on later tonight.
[10:41] <cbx33> ling Laser_away 
[11:16] <sdfsaedcjhm> hi
[11:18] <mhz> hi sdfsaedcjhm 
[11:19] <sdfsaedcjhm> wassup
[11:20] <mhz> not much, just getting rid of spams :(
[11:21] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:21] <sdfsaedcjhm> you work in edubuntu?
[11:21] <cbx33> mhz, heheh darn those spams
[11:21] <mhz> cbx33: hehe, indeed, esp. the ones about Viagra stuff
[11:21] <cbx33> hehaha
[11:22] <mhz> sdfsaedcjhm: if by work, you mean, I try to evangelise and contribute as much as possible, burning lots of hours a week on this... well, yes, I do.
[11:22] <LaserJock> lol
[11:22] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:22] <sdfsaedcjhm> kool
[11:23] <sdfsaedcjhm> whats difference between edubuntu and the other ubuntu distros?
[11:23] <mhz> sdfsaedcjhm: however, most of the stuff i do benefit the spanish speakers users of edubuntu 
[11:23] <LaserJock> default apps are more kid oriented, themeing is more kid oriented, and LTSP
[11:23] <pygi> sdfsaedcjhm, there is no such thing as "ubuntu distros"
[11:24] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:24] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[11:24] <LaserJock> sdfsaedcjhm: all the flavors, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu are all part of the same project really
[11:25] <LaserJock> they share the same software repositories
[11:25] <mhz> sdfsaedcjhm: basically, Edubuntu is oriented towards a) School Labs, b) Schools wanting a cool distro for their students, c) parents happy with edu apps.
[11:25] <LaserJock> it's mostly the look and default applications that makes the difference
[11:25] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:27] <mhz> oh, and if you want an LTSP environement just out of the box...Edubuntu does it for you
[11:29] <sdfsaedcjhm> whats LTSP
[11:29] <LaserJock> Linux Terminal Sever Project
[11:30] <LaserJock> www.ltsp.org
[11:30] <LaserJock> very cool stuff
[11:30] <sdfsaedcjhm> ah
[11:40] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[11:40] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/finals/
[11:40] <cbx33> heheh
[11:40] <cbx33> oggs at last
[11:41] <sdfsaedcjhm> hehe
[11:41] <lucasvo> cbx33: nice!
[11:43] <cbx33> hehe
[11:44] <mhz> cbx33: i have done an edubuntu wallpaper and style for fluxbox
[11:44] <cbx33> nice
[11:44] <mhz> do you fluxbox?
[11:45] <cbx33> no
[11:45] <cbx33> not usually
[11:45] <mhz> Liverpool!
[11:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: haha, I'll get .ogg on this thing so I don't get you in any more trouble
[11:46] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:47] <cbx33> hehe
[11:47] <sdfsaedcjhm> kool
[11:47] <cbx33> I'm still trying to get sabdfl to listen to them
[11:47] <cbx33> :p
[11:47] <cbx33> what with the ff problem and all
[11:47] <sdfsaedcjhm> im waiting for my edubuntu cds to arrive
[11:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you have a nvidia card by chance?
[11:47] <cbx33> indeed I do
[11:47] <cbx33> y?
[11:48] <LaserJock> I was thinking of upgrading a box to edgy
[11:48] <cbx33> ahhh
[11:48] <LaserJock> ATI isn't in the best shape it seems in edgy
[11:48] <cbx33> well, I wouldn't know
[11:48] <LaserJock> but this box has an nvidia card
[11:48] <cbx33> whether nvidia worked or not
[11:48] <LaserJock> so I wondered if it work
[11:48] <cbx33> because mine is a vmware box
[11:49] <LaserJock> really? what's it running on?
[11:49] <cbx33> what do you mean?
[11:49] <cbx33> the vmware machine uses a vmware driver for graphics
[11:49] <LaserJock> what is vmware running on
[11:49] <cbx33> dapper
[11:50] <cbx33> not their packager
[11:50] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:50] <cbx33> downloaded from source
[11:50] <cbx33> :D
[11:51] <Petaris> later guys
[12:14] <pygi> bye mhz