| troy_s | dammit | 12:09 |
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| troy_s | greetings Dennis. | 02:33 |
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| PingunZ | goodmorning all | 11:49 |
| cbx33 | hi all need some info about usplash images | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | ogra mentioned that there is some kind of colour indexing that gives rise to font colours | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | can someone enlightenme on this | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | AliasVegas is doing the artwork for edubuntu and has asked me to find the informaion | 01:19 |
| troy_s | cbx33, the usplash is changing | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | oh? | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | when will we know? | 01:28 |
| troy_s | yes check the mailing list archives... | 01:28 |
| troy_s | you can also check the spec | 01:28 |
| troy_s | but the information is loose right now | 01:28 |
| troy_s | you can basically see what is required by checking the spec | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | oh dang | 01:28 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:29 |
| troy_s | Hope that helps. | 01:29 |
| cbx33 | partially | 01:30 |
| cbx33 | troy_s, when will we know the techinical constraints | 01:34 |
| PingunZ | hey, I made a proposal to Frank Schoep aka fschoep : a forum for ubuntu artwork, replacing the wiki, mailing list and launchpad | 01:35 |
| PingunZ | any comments ? | 01:35 |
| troy_s | Not likely | 01:44 |
| troy_s | The forum isn't very useful... | 01:44 |
| troy_s | if you check the archives, you can see the progress that was made to centralize all of the information in three unified systems. | 01:44 |
| PingunZ | not the forum, a new one | 01:44 |
| PingunZ | only for ubuntu-art | 01:44 |
| troy_s | Possibly in the future, not now. | 01:44 |
| troy_s | The tools in place are underused. | 01:44 |
| troy_s | cbx33 -- Frank is keeping his ear to the ground as best as he can. | 01:45 |
| PingunZ | but now its hard for beginners to join | 01:45 |
| troy_s | Not really. | 01:45 |
| troy_s | Check the wiki. | 01:45 |
| troy_s | All the information is there. | 01:45 |
| PingunZ | hmm | 01:45 |
| troy_s | cbx33 -- Until then, develop according to the outline Frank recorded there. | 01:45 |
| troy_s | cbx33 -- and you will be covered. | 01:45 |
| PingunZ | troy_s, I'll pm you the text I wrote to Frank | 01:45 |
| troy_s | I believe Dennis posted the information originally -- he is very knowledgeable. | 01:46 |
| troy_s | Feel free to post it here in the forum. Transparency is fine with me. | 01:46 |
| PingunZ | just so you get the Idea | 01:46 |
| troy_s | I get the idea. | 01:46 |
| troy_s | ;) | 01:46 |
| PingunZ | but it 30lines ;) | 01:46 |
| PingunZ | I'll pastebin it -_- | 01:46 |
| troy_s | If you look at how successful we have thus far been at gathering momentum, you can see why we want to keep the options limited. | 01:46 |
| PingunZ | just take a look at the pastebin .. | 01:47 |
| PingunZ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20545 | 01:47 |
| troy_s | www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art -- as of about three months ago, that membership was extremely low. | 01:48 |
| troy_s | the information is getting out there, it takes time to establish procedures. | 01:48 |
| PingunZ | soz for my english btw ;) | 01:48 |
| troy_s | Your english is fine, | 01:49 |
| PingunZ | thank you | 01:49 |
| troy_s | the reasoning behind the threefold approach is quite easy and clear: | 01:49 |
| PingunZ | hmm whats a threefold approach ? | 01:50 |
| troy_s | 1) The development team for Ubuntu developed Launchpad, uses it extensively, and we -- being a team wishing to coordinate with them -- should do so accordingly. | 01:50 |
| troy_s | 2) Launchpad requires a Wiki in place to provide spec details. | 01:50 |
| troy_s | 3) Busy folks with careers and hundreds of emails to read cannot check a forum. | 01:50 |
| PingunZ | no but they can check a wiki and launcpah and lots of emails ? | 01:51 |
| troy_s | Emails you can filter based on content. | 01:51 |
| troy_s | and the Wiki is required based on how Launchpad works. | 01:51 |
| PingunZ | the forums will be as structured as possible | 01:51 |
| PingunZ | no spam .. | 01:51 |
| troy_s | It is how Ubuntu is developed. | 01:51 |
| PingunZ | just basic info | 01:51 |
| troy_s | Simplicity is better in my experience. | 01:52 |
| PingunZ | but its really hard for beginners like me | 01:52 |
| troy_s | That's fine. Take your time. | 01:52 |
| troy_s | Learn the system. | 01:52 |
| PingunZ | and IMO forums are more simple then this | 01:52 |
| troy_s | There is _no_ rush. | 01:52 |
| PingunZ | I know | 01:52 |
| troy_s | The whole point of structure is to gather coordinated and uniform input. | 01:52 |
| PingunZ | but lots of beginners are scared when they just join | 01:52 |
| PingunZ | so they stop joining | 01:53 |
| troy_s | Prior to the structure and Paris, there were merely a glut of garbage posted to the mailing list. | 01:53 |
| troy_s | That's fine. | 01:53 |
| PingunZ | thats not fine, ubuntu needs better art | 01:53 |
| PingunZ | ( no offense ) | 01:53 |
| troy_s | Graphic art development / creative development is a craft, you need to work. | 01:53 |
| troy_s | I agree. | 01:53 |
| troy_s | Process is what gets one to better art. | 01:53 |
| troy_s | Learn the system, read the specifications. | 01:53 |
| troy_s | And 'better' art is very subjective. | 01:54 |
| PingunZ | true | 01:54 |
| troy_s | You need to be aware of cultural, societal, and other factors that determine a word like 'better'. | 01:54 |
| PingunZ | but I think everyone agrees that suse looks better ? | 01:54 |
| troy_s | I don't think it is that simple. | 01:54 |
| troy_s | Further, we have development constraints to create aesthetic work within. | 01:55 |
| PingunZ | whats that ? | 01:55 |
| PingunZ | aesti.. ? | 01:55 |
| troy_s | Consider usplash for example -- there will be no adjusting it in the near future for Edgy aside from Scott's changes. | 01:55 |
| troy_s | We have tried to establish a paper trail -- read the specs at Launchpad | 01:55 |
| troy_s | and the associated wiki pages. | 01:55 |
| troy_s | You can hopefully learn much through that documentation. | 01:56 |
| troy_s | www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs | 01:56 |
| troy_s | I must head off to careerland now... good luck PinguinZ. And keep up your enthusiasm. | 01:56 |
| PingunZ | thanks | 01:56 |
| PingunZ | bye | 01:56 |
| andreasn | PingunZ: suse looks better because Novell has some of the best artists free software on their payroll | 01:57 |
| troy_s | And they cut corners regarding issues like usplash. | 01:57 |
| troy_s | Etc. | 01:57 |
| troy_s | Much to consider ;) | 01:58 |
| troy_s | That said, Suse has a long way to go as well | 01:58 |
| PingunZ | andreasn, we have good artists too | 01:59 |
| PingunZ | maybe not as good | 01:59 |
| PingunZ | but I'm convinced that the ubuntu art could be a lot better if we had a better structure | 02:00 |
| troy_s | If suse were the end - all -- it would be more successful than it is. | 02:00 |
| PingunZ | no cause its rly slow | 02:00 |
| troy_s | Read the mailing list archives ;) | 02:00 |
| PingunZ | brb | 02:02 |
| andreasn | yeah, they do. Stuff like interface consistency is still years behind apples interfaces | 02:04 |
| andreasn | and stuff like sane use of icons as interface icons and stuff like that | 02:04 |
| andreasn | err...icons as interface elements I mean | 02:04 |
| PingunZ | have you guys read the text I wrote ? | 02:05 |
| PingunZ | ( soz if I'm repeating :) ) | 02:05 |
| PingunZ | can you tell me the things you dont like about it ? / like about it | 02:05 |
| PingunZ | Its just an idea .. But I'm really sure it has to become more user-firendly | 02:06 |
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| fschoep | troy_s: ping? | 02:11 |
| PingunZ | hi fschoep | 02:13 |
| PingunZ | got the email I sent you ? | 02:13 |
| fschoep | Hi PingunZ, yes I got the e-mail. Looks good. | 02:13 |
| PingunZ | thanks | 02:13 |
| PingunZ | my best english :) | 02:13 |
| fschoep | Don't worry about it too much, it's good! | 02:14 |
| fschoep | Thanks for taking the time to write it all down. | 02:14 |
| PingunZ | but can you edit it a little | 02:14 |
| PingunZ | ? | 02:14 |
| fschoep | Sure, I'll edit it to make it fit in well with the spec template. Maybe provide some more information on several issues and that, but I'll use your mail as a basis. | 02:15 |
| PingunZ | I mean .. I dont really know the structure yet .. | 02:15 |
| fschoep | No problem, you'll learn everything over time :) | 02:15 |
| PingunZ | true | 02:15 |
| PingunZ | btw do you like the idea fschoep | 02:15 |
| fschoep | Well, it sounds like a good opportunity to get more people involved, so I'm all for it I guess. I haven't really thought about the consequences much, so maybe there are also some good points for *not* doing something like this. But writing out the spec will make me think about it more, so let's wait and see :) | 02:16 |
| cbx33 | Hi fschoep | 02:17 |
| fschoep | Hey Pete | 02:17 |
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| fschoep_ | I'm going to eat, might be back later on. | 04:50 |
| fschoep_ | See you later | 04:50 |
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| cbx33 | hi guys what's the maximum image size we design on | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | 1600x1200 ? | 08:54 |
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| PingunZ | bye all | 12:05 |
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