[12:09] dammit === cbx333 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === soundman [n=unknown@195.174.14.110] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === soundman [n=unknown@195.174.14.110] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:33] greetings Dennis. === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PovRayMan [n=prm@fl-71-55-243-238.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@213-84-96-177.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h23n2fls33o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@111.116-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:49] goodmorning all [01:19] hi all need some info about usplash images [01:19] ogra mentioned that there is some kind of colour indexing that gives rise to font colours [01:19] can someone enlightenme on this [01:19] AliasVegas is doing the artwork for edubuntu and has asked me to find the informaion [01:28] cbx33, the usplash is changing [01:28] oh? [01:28] when will we know? [01:28] yes check the mailing list archives... [01:28] you can also check the spec [01:28] but the information is loose right now [01:28] you can basically see what is required by checking the spec [01:28] oh dang [01:29] ok [01:29] Hope that helps. [01:30] partially [01:34] troy_s, when will we know the techinical constraints [01:35] hey, I made a proposal to Frank Schoep aka fschoep : a forum for ubuntu artwork, replacing the wiki, mailing list and launchpad [01:35] any comments ? [01:44] Not likely [01:44] The forum isn't very useful... [01:44] if you check the archives, you can see the progress that was made to centralize all of the information in three unified systems. [01:44] not the forum, a new one [01:44] only for ubuntu-art [01:44] Possibly in the future, not now. [01:44] The tools in place are underused. [01:45] cbx33 -- Frank is keeping his ear to the ground as best as he can. [01:45] but now its hard for beginners to join [01:45] Not really. [01:45] Check the wiki. [01:45] All the information is there. [01:45] hmm [01:45] cbx33 -- Until then, develop according to the outline Frank recorded there. [01:45] cbx33 -- and you will be covered. [01:45] troy_s, I'll pm you the text I wrote to Frank [01:46] I believe Dennis posted the information originally -- he is very knowledgeable. [01:46] Feel free to post it here in the forum. Transparency is fine with me. [01:46] just so you get the Idea [01:46] I get the idea. [01:46] ;) [01:46] but it 30lines ;) [01:46] I'll pastebin it -_- [01:46] If you look at how successful we have thus far been at gathering momentum, you can see why we want to keep the options limited. [01:47] just take a look at the pastebin .. [01:47] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20545 [01:48] www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art -- as of about three months ago, that membership was extremely low. [01:48] the information is getting out there, it takes time to establish procedures. [01:48] soz for my english btw ;) [01:49] Your english is fine, [01:49] thank you [01:49] the reasoning behind the threefold approach is quite easy and clear: [01:50] hmm whats a threefold approach ? [01:50] 1) The development team for Ubuntu developed Launchpad, uses it extensively, and we -- being a team wishing to coordinate with them -- should do so accordingly. [01:50] 2) Launchpad requires a Wiki in place to provide spec details. [01:50] 3) Busy folks with careers and hundreds of emails to read cannot check a forum. [01:51] no but they can check a wiki and launcpah and lots of emails ? [01:51] Emails you can filter based on content. [01:51] and the Wiki is required based on how Launchpad works. [01:51] the forums will be as structured as possible [01:51] no spam .. [01:51] It is how Ubuntu is developed. [01:51] just basic info [01:52] Simplicity is better in my experience. [01:52] but its really hard for beginners like me [01:52] That's fine. Take your time. [01:52] Learn the system. [01:52] and IMO forums are more simple then this [01:52] There is _no_ rush. [01:52] I know [01:52] The whole point of structure is to gather coordinated and uniform input. [01:52] but lots of beginners are scared when they just join [01:53] so they stop joining [01:53] Prior to the structure and Paris, there were merely a glut of garbage posted to the mailing list. [01:53] That's fine. [01:53] thats not fine, ubuntu needs better art [01:53] ( no offense ) [01:53] Graphic art development / creative development is a craft, you need to work. [01:53] I agree. [01:53] Process is what gets one to better art. [01:53] Learn the system, read the specifications. [01:54] And 'better' art is very subjective. [01:54] true [01:54] You need to be aware of cultural, societal, and other factors that determine a word like 'better'. [01:54] but I think everyone agrees that suse looks better ? [01:54] I don't think it is that simple. [01:55] Further, we have development constraints to create aesthetic work within. [01:55] whats that ? [01:55] aesti.. ? [01:55] Consider usplash for example -- there will be no adjusting it in the near future for Edgy aside from Scott's changes. [01:55] We have tried to establish a paper trail -- read the specs at Launchpad [01:55] and the associated wiki pages. [01:56] You can hopefully learn much through that documentation. [01:56] www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs [01:56] I must head off to careerland now... good luck PinguinZ. And keep up your enthusiasm. [01:56] thanks [01:56] bye [01:57] PingunZ: suse looks better because Novell has some of the best artists free software on their payroll [01:57] And they cut corners regarding issues like usplash. [01:57] Etc. [01:58] Much to consider ;) [01:58] That said, Suse has a long way to go as well [01:59] andreasn, we have good artists too [01:59] maybe not as good [02:00] but I'm convinced that the ubuntu art could be a lot better if we had a better structure [02:00] If suse were the end - all -- it would be more successful than it is. [02:00] no cause its rly slow [02:00] Read the mailing list archives ;) [02:02] brb [02:04] yeah, they do. Stuff like interface consistency is still years behind apples interfaces [02:04] and stuff like sane use of icons as interface icons and stuff like that [02:04] err...icons as interface elements I mean [02:05] have you guys read the text I wrote ? [02:05] ( soz if I'm repeating :) ) [02:05] can you tell me the things you dont like about it ? / like about it [02:06] Its just an idea .. But I'm really sure it has to become more user-firendly === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:11] troy_s: ping? [02:13] hi fschoep [02:13] got the email I sent you ? [02:13] Hi PingunZ, yes I got the e-mail. Looks good. [02:13] thanks [02:13] my best english :) [02:14] Don't worry about it too much, it's good! [02:14] Thanks for taking the time to write it all down. [02:14] but can you edit it a little [02:14] ? [02:15] Sure, I'll edit it to make it fit in well with the spec template. Maybe provide some more information on several issues and that, but I'll use your mail as a basis. [02:15] I mean .. I dont really know the structure yet .. [02:15] No problem, you'll learn everything over time :) [02:15] true [02:15] btw do you like the idea fschoep [02:16] Well, it sounds like a good opportunity to get more people involved, so I'm all for it I guess. I haven't really thought about the consequences much, so maybe there are also some good points for *not* doing something like this. But writing out the spec will make me think about it more, so let's wait and see :) [02:17] Hi fschoep [02:17] Hey Pete === PingunZ [n=kristof@111.116-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === fschoep_ [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@111.116-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:50] I'm going to eat, might be back later on. [04:50] See you later === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma_ [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:54] hi guys what's the maximum image size we design on [08:54] 1600x1200 ? === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma__ [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PovRayMa1 [n=prm@fl-71-55-243-238.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PovRayMa1 is now known as PovRayMan === PingunZ [n=kristof@111.116-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:05] bye all