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[03:26] ne78: Upstream made it a pain to enable gracefully without building everything as one big static blob, so I've been playing with ways to work around that. [03:26] infinity: http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5.1/ has it but it uses it's infame build system [03:27] Yeah, I know dexter's done it, though I haven't poked through his patches yet. [03:27] infinity: are you doing both the debian and ubuntu packages or just the ubuntu diff ? [03:27] He's been entirely unwilling to ever actually contribute to the official packages (short of wanting to completely take them over), so it's a mess. [03:27] ne78: I'm one of the Debian maintainers, and the Ubuntu maintainer, yes. [03:28] infinity: yes that's what i understood from the mailing lists === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] infinity: but in the mean we (the simple users) suffer :) [03:28] Yeah, I have an apache and php TODO a mile long, but I'll get through it all eventually. [03:29] I only allocate a certain amount of paid time to apache and php, and the rest is "spare time" effort, so it sort of "happens when it happens". :/ === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] infinity: shipping etch/edgy without PDO would be a grave error [03:29] ne78: I've heard this opinion before. [03:29] infinity: i mean php is a critical package (at least for servers) [03:29] ne78: On the other hand, 3rd party applications RELYING on features only present in PHP 5.1 are broken by design, so I don't think it's as critical as people make out. [03:30] infinity: nope they are not, the api before 5.1 was insane [03:31] * Start OLPC Edubuntu effort (first Thailand Beta due Jan 1th 2007) <- is Thailand the code name or is there some other tie-in? [03:32] infinity: probably a nice thing would be a PDO wrapper for pre 5.1 i'm wondering if that exists [03:32] ne78: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. It would be a painful mess of interpreted code. [03:33] ne78: And, sure, the APIs have always been crazy. PHP is a hobbyist language, IMO, and should never be used for "big apps", but oh well. It's happened. [03:33] infinity: i heard the same thing about the IBM PC in 1981 [03:33] ne78: But distributing an app that doesn't run on, say, RHEL3, Dapper, Sarge, etc, etc, just because you don't like the old API is a bit pointless too. [03:34] ne78: And it's still true of the IBM PC. Shame that it won. :) [03:35] ne78: Anyhow, PDO's on my TODO, I'll poke at what dexter's doing and cobble something together. [03:35] infinity: that would be great [03:35] infinity: thanks for the attention [03:35] ne78: It also means rethinking and redesigning the Debian/Ubuntu PHP config system a bit to not explode with insanity with a mess of new modules. [03:35] ne78: Which is also on my TODO. [03:36] infinity: is it a mess atm ? [03:36] ne78: It's pretty sketchy and broken right now anyway. It will just get uglier if I have to ship twice as many module packages, and I'd rather not. [03:36] ne78: I'd rather have mysql/mysqli/mysql_pdo all in one package, for example, and have a sane config system that deals with that. [03:37] ne78: (Which is already planned, just not written) [03:37] infinity: oh yes it would be simpler === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable199.72-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] Howdy === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] robertj: that would be the country [04:18] Burgundavia: so is Thailand considering getting software from Canonical for OLPC? [04:18] robertj: I honestly have no idea [04:19] robertj: thailand is one of the countries getting stuff. And technically, it would be Edubuntu, not Canonical === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] btw, has there been any talk about pairing down system tray icons & such? Rhythmbox, Ekiga, & Tomboy all need to keep their hands off my tray by default :) === ne78 [n=ne@cust-199-154.dsl.versateladsl.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:20] robertj: if you have a better suggestion, please raise it upstream [04:20] robertj: for tomboy you could use the panel applet instead [04:21] Heya Burgundavia, slomo [04:21] hey bddebian [04:21] hi bddebian :) === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC9F4511.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] slomo: I think its more a desktop integration issue, because the panel applets really don't do alot [04:29] slomo: they are great if you use it all the time, if not though, they just take up space [04:29] isn't tomboy something you would want to use all the time or never? [04:30] slomo: maybe, but it's being positioned as a stickynotes fill-in [04:32] slomo: and more to the point, running the application sometimes doesn't open any doucments, it just puts the icon there [04:32] and mom is very confused by that behvavior [04:55] Burgundavia: You still around? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.52.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] hello rodarvus [05:26] hello Kaleo|work [05:26] rodarvus: I posted a comment about the intel driver [05:26] (leaving in a few minutes, though) [05:27] on bug 54858 [05:27] Malone bug 54858 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "3d acceleration broken in Edgy Knot 1" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54858 [05:27] Kaleo|work: having issues with it? [05:27] yes ajmitch === ajmitch was going to file a bug about that one.. [05:27] :) [05:27] since it's a different issue now for me [05:27] rodarvus: it might interest you :) [05:27] ajmitch: what is it ? [05:27] that the DRI driver is not initialising properly, even though it loads [05:28] I haven't traced much further than that in the code [05:28] pretty much just what you have in the comment [05:28] ah [05:28] :) [05:28] the syncing is in good progress [05:29] need some polishing... [05:29] thanks to rodarvus we're getting there ! [05:29] yep [05:30] I had some hard time keeping track of the changes because of all these different packages [05:30] all in all AIGLX is not really meant to be a supported configuration for X, but I'll try updating Mesa one more time (since it might also make sense for other reasons) [05:30] I don't know if patching the expected version is the best option though === ajmitch didn't spot anything obvious in mesa cvs/git [05:30] (... a supported configuration for X ... on Edgy I mean [05:30] rodarvus: the DRI does not work, not just AIGLX [05:31] bddebian: am now [05:31] Burgundavia: You are on the Games team? [05:32] bddebian: as much as a non-MOTU can be, es [05:32] yes [05:32] You are not an MOTU? [05:32] nope [05:32] Kaleo|work: note that it might not even be fault of X. there is a missing point on the "new intel driver" equatation (agpgart module) [05:33] Burgundavia: Holy crap, I didn't know that [05:34] bddebian: ask your question anyway [05:34] rodarvus: I just compiled mesa with the sources of the 10th of august [05:34] +have [05:34] rodarvus: and it seems to work flawlessly [05:34] (talking about DRI here) [05:34] fixes dri, you mean? [05:34] nice. [05:35] wouch, productive night [05:35] Kaleo|work: good work [05:37] Burgundavia: I was just wondering if someone "leads" that team? :-) [05:37] bddebian: not really. Siretart mostly [05:37] Hmm, OK [05:40] bddebian: I have not put a concerted effort into games stuff for a wile [05:45] Burgundavia: Well I have been trying but man, it's ugly out there for decent games :-( [05:46] bddebian: there are some good ones, sadly most of them have serious license issues [05:46] I just had to talk the artists for Galaxy mage out of using CC-nc for their art [05:50] I had issues with the scourge data files too :-( [05:51] scourge is seriously messed [05:51] somebody needs to thwack them [05:51] In what way? You mean the licensing for the data? [05:52] yep [05:52] they have "borrowed" stuff from other people [05:52] Aye, I e-mailed them :-( [05:52] what did they say? [05:53] http://pastebin.us/3044 [05:54] ok, at least they are considering it [05:56] bddebian: openttd is probably 6 months away from being shippable [05:59] Well I was just looking for something to sink my teeth into but I suppose that's a lost cause as usual :-( === Kaleo|work is now known as Kaleo|dodo [06:00] bddebian: looking for games to package? [06:00] bddebian: I would start with the pyweek stuff [06:01] pyweek? [06:01] http://pyweek.org/ [06:03] Uhm === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] Good morning [06:23] morning pitti [06:24] Morning pitt [06:24] +i === Xoff [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Carthik [n=Carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] Gnight folks === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] lifeless: I'm currently updating edgy's bzr to 0.9; do you know about test suite failures in test_external_diff_binary? ('external diff failed with exit code 2') === mdeslaur [n=mdeslaur@modemcable196.26-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] lifeless: this happens in both rc1 and the final 0.9 [07:03] there should be no test failures === Burgundavia watches pass his Jedi hand over the bug [07:04] it builds on PQM which is a dapper box, and that rejects the commit if there are test failures [07:04] "there are no test failures" [07:04] pitti: are you using dato's package from debian ? [07:04] lifeless: yes, I used 0.9~rc1 and updated to the final [07:04] lifeless: i. e. the rc1 that's currently in sid [07:05] ok. FWIW dato has uploaded 0.9 final himself [07:05] lifeless: the only Debian patch is a documentation typo fix [07:05] lifeless: oh, uploaded where? [07:05] well, to sid === pitti does not see it on http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bzr.html or http://incoming.debian.org === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti waves to Hobbsee === Hobbsee waves back to pitti [07:31] how are you doing, pitti? [07:31] pretty fine, and you? [07:31] i have an assignment due in 49 hours :( [07:32] i found out about it about 2 hours ago. [07:32] ouch [07:33] Hobbsee: have a productive night shift then [07:33] :-) [07:33] hey pitti [07:33] jdub: hey Jeff! [07:34] pitti: so i've tested a backport of edgy trac on dapper - working pretty good [07:34] pitti: no, i have to got to work tonight. :( [07:34] hi jdub [07:34] pitti: can i do anything else to encourage a security release of it? :) [07:34] hey Hobbsee [07:35] jdub: I'm not sure whether we can do official backports ATM (I think we can't) [07:35] i havent heard that we can [07:35] jdub: well, 0.9.6-0ubuntu0.1 would work for me, too, if mdz approves the new upstream version [07:35] pitti: this would be an upstream bumped security release [07:35] ok, so it needs mdz love [07:35] jdub: well, you can :) sending mdz a changelog and asking for approval would be enough encouraging :) [07:35] ok! [07:35] jdub: I can do the actual update myself then [07:37] pitti: best to mail you and mdz, or is there a bug alias i should use? [07:37] jdub: just use security@ubuntu.com [07:37] ok [07:37] thanks === infinity wnonder what the deal is with this "nautilus-gksu" sitting in the new queue.. [07:40] Does anyone know what Gauvain Pocentek's nick is? [07:41] infinity: he ans seb128 are talking about it [07:41] infinity: Gloubibolka or something like this (I'm sure you saw it before) [07:41] pitti: Ahh, yeah. Him. He doesn't seem to be around. [07:41] Burgundavia: "Talking about it" in the "seb's trying to make him revert it, so I should just hold off" sense? [07:42] infinity: there is a thread on -devel about it [07:42] just a sec [07:42] infinity: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019957.html [07:43] Hrm, that's pretty inconclusive. === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] lifeless: ah, the test failure happens with de_DE.UTF-8, but not with C; I'll file a bug [07:54] pitti: are you running 'make check' during the pacakge build ? [07:54] pitti: or 'bzr selftest' ? [07:54] lifeless: the former === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] ok, good. [07:55] lifeless: bug 56307, in case you want to add something [07:55] Malone bug 56307 in bzr "bzrlib.tests.test_diff.TestDiff failure in German locale" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56307 [08:05] infinity: any idea why krb5_1.3.6-1ubuntu0.2_source.changes (hoary-security) is not attempted to be built? [08:05] pitti: Looking... [08:07] Package : krb5 [08:07] Version : 1.3.6-4ubuntu0.1 [08:07] Builder : buildd+terranova [08:07] State : Installed === infinity looks suspiciously at pitti's 1.3.6-1ubuntu0.2 source upload, which is a lower version... [08:08] krb5 | 1.3.6-1ubuntu0.1 | http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Sources [08:08] ^ this is currently in the archive [08:09] Yeah, dude. You uploaded the breezy-security update to hoary-security. [08:09] krb5 (1.3.6-4ubuntu0.1) hoary-security; urgency=low [08:09] whoops [08:09] infinity: argh [08:10] pitti: You can either try to get elmo to UNACCEPT all of those, or you get to fudge version numbers to fix it. === pitti prefers the former [08:11] elmo: Alive? pitti needs some UNACCEPT love on jackass. :/ [08:11] infinity: I'll email him [08:12] pitti: Check. Make sure to be very specific about which ones need UNACCEPTing, to avoid back and forth. :) [08:12] infinity: I can leave the right hoary one as it is, I assume? [08:12] pitti: krb5_1.3.6-4ubuntu0.1*changes should do it, I guess. [08:13] pitti: Yeah, if you leave the correct hoary one in place, I can fix wanna-build manually after elmo unaccepts the others. [08:14] thanks [08:14] infinity: ah, there is Gloubiboulga [08:15] Err, wait. Hrm. [08:15] cron.daily no longer runs on jackass, which makes manually fixing wanna-build problematic... [08:15] Well, I can sort that with elmo after the unaccept happens. [08:16] pitti: YAY BZR 0.9!11 [08:18] jdub: \o/ the speed improvements were too tempting :) === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] pitti, infinity, hello, do you need me for something? [08:23] Gloubiboulga: hello; Adam asked for your nick :) [08:24] ok :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.110.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-18-227.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-38-150.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@110.Red-81-39-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] mjg59, Kamion: can you please approve my u-d-a post? === OpeNZ [n=theballz@60-234-211-25.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] pitti: ping [09:44] doko: Guten Morgen [09:46] Gloubiboulga: *poke* === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A64BFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OpeNZ [n=theballz@60-234-211-25.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [10:00] hey mvo! [10:00] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3893988/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.bzr_0.9-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz *gulp* [10:00] ouch [10:01] lifeless: ^ lots of test suite failures, didn't happen to me locally === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti hugs seb128 [10:01] mvo: Hey dude. What's the story with Gloubiboulga's gksu/nautilus-gksu split? Have we decided this is definitely the Right Thing to do (ie: should I process the binaries from queue/new), or is this still a point of contention? [10:01] hey pitti === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] pitti: Looks like they're all "None" versus "0" breakage.. [10:02] pitti: Do you have the latest and greatest python installed, to make sure it's the same as the chroot? [10:03] infinity: yes, fresh after today's dist-upgrade (which only pulled in a new totem) [10:03] infinity: however, the ENOFILE errors might be the cause [10:03] hey pitti, seb128! [10:03] hi mvo [10:04] pitti: Ahh, didn't catch that. [10:04] infinity: the new gksu has a nautilus plugin that makes the package unsuitable for xubuntu, thats why the split [10:04] bte you TZ=UTC [10:04] theres a bug open and a fix for it [10:04] oh, cool [10:04] mvo: Right, but the split's okay by you, then? And doesn't require any migration plan, because that bit's new anyway? [10:05] infinity: yes, nautilus-gksu is new anyway. I looked over the diff and it looks ok [10:05] mvo: Great. I'll process it, then. Thanks. [10:05] mvo: using a Recommends or Suggests nautilus without splitting would be possible too no? [10:05] mvo: Err, will it be ending up in ubuntu-desktop (and thus in main), or should I shove it in universe? [10:06] mvo: (And if the former, can you update the seeds?) [10:06] seb128: No, it links to the whole GNOME stack. [10:07] infinity: right, but that doesn't mean we need a Depends ;) [10:07] seb128: Unless you're suggesting not having proper shlibdeps (eek), it needs to be split. [10:07] infinity: yeah, that's what I suggested, we do it for some other packages already [10:07] seb128: IMO, if you ever have to override shlibdeps, you know you're doing something wrong. [10:07] infinity: you can exclude that .so for the shlibs call [10:07] seb128: do we want it in main? === infinity shudders. [10:08] infinity: not really, I'm fine with having a nautilus file installed but not used if nautilus is not installed :) [10:09] mvo: main, probably yes, it makes no sense to have a some binary from a main src package to universe, desktop I'm not sure, I think it clutters the context menu [10:09] seb128: Yeah, but if it links to stuff that the rest of the package doesn't, library dependency breakage can occur. [10:09] seb128: The whole point of versioned shlibs is a bit lost if you have binaries that don't declare proper dependencies. [10:09] the point is to the have things working [10:10] having a feature working if nautilus is installed and doing nothing otherwise is sort of working ;) [10:10] anyway I'm fine with the split, my comment on the list is just that I would prefer to have that discussed with the Debian maintainer (who is upstream too) before being done === infinity nods. [10:11] seb128: agreed [10:11] seb128: I will mail him [10:11] mvo: If main-but-not-desktop is agreed upon, please update the seeds to put it in supported, and I'll toss it in main. [10:11] mvo: the guy who did the split opened a bug on the BTS with the patch after I asked him to do that :) === infinity waits for some sort of concensus. :) [10:12] seb128: what bug number? [10:13] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382655 [10:13] Debian bug 382655 in gksu "gksu brings the GNOME libs as dependencies" [Unknown,Open] [10:13] mvo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382655 [10:13] damn, too slow :p [10:13] Hah, I win. [10:13] :) [10:13] At least Ubugtu appears to be smart enough to not be repetitive. Cute. [10:14] mvo: BTW the package should probably Depends on nautilus too === infinity threatens to walk away from queue/new processing for a week if someone doesn't give him a main/universe decision.. :) [10:15] infinity: main [10:15] infinity: "main" [10:15] Check. [10:15] supported but not desktop [10:15] *nod* [10:15] /me apologize for the gksu thing [10:15] infinity: happy now :) ? [10:15] hi mvo, seb128 [10:15] hi Gloubiboulga [10:15] mvo: I'll be happy when you fix the seeds. :P [10:15] Hi Gloubiboulga [10:15] mvo: Anyhow, binaries accepted. [10:16] hi Gloubiboulga, nothing to be sorry about. thanks for taking care for this [10:16] infinity: thanks [10:16] Gloubiboulga: np, just pinging the desktop team before changing something from GNOME is a good idea usually ;) And opening a Debian bug too :p === Xoff is now known as Xof [10:17] seb128, agreed :) === Spads [n=crack@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] lifeless: okay, I found the suggested patch on the ML and applied it to the package; seems to work fine [10:25] lifeless: thanks for checking [10:25] np [10:25] hth [10:25] (it's not yet applied upstream) [10:34] infinity: seed updated too === shenki [n=shenki@ppp175-149.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti yays precise test suite failures: "AssertionError: != " === mantiena [n=ubuntu@ctv-84-55-6-202.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] Hi all [10:54] doko: hi, are you alive ? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] infinity: do you plan to update edgy/sid mysql to 5.0.24? .24 fixes CVE-2006-4031 === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-081-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] pitti, ping === geser [n=michael@85.25.106.113] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] doko: hi, are you alive ? [11:19] doko_: I wanna ask few questions about OpenOffice.org, wich is in dapper-proposed [11:21] there it is. === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] doko: are there any important reasons (e.g. important bugs) why OOo 2.0.3-4dapper2 isn't in dapper-updates or backports ? [11:29] doko: I just wonder if I can try to use this version on workstations in my office [11:29] mantiena: see the filter bug reports [11:29] hi [11:29] I've got a problem with germinate [11:30] the update script in (k)(x)ubuntu-meta packages don't seem to be able to use Germinate.py [11:30] ImportError: No module named Germinate [11:30] although I have installed the germinate package [11:31] (or Germinate.pm maybe) [11:32] germinate.py is present in /usr/lib/germinate/germinate.py though [11:33] ogra: pong [11:34] pitti, how hard would it be to add a --bind option to pmount [11:34] doko: filter by wich criteria ? [11:34] (even with a hardcoded dir if you want for secutity reasons) [11:34] s/wich/which [11:35] s/dir/sourcedir/ [11:35] ogra: not that hard code-wise; but it needs to be restricted === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] indeed [11:35] ogra: what should it do? [11:36] pitti, ltspfs mounts in /tmp/.$UID/device now ... [11:36] pitti, to get that on the users desktop i have two options: [11:36] a) put a link on the desktop and make ugly changes to ~/.gtk-bookmarks etc [11:37] b) mount --bind /tmp/.$UID/device /media/$IP/device [11:37] ogra: why not have ltspfs mount it to /media/device? [11:37] b makes everything work fine ... [11:37] the prob is that i need root rights to exec mount :) [11:38] thats why i think pmount is the right place [11:38] ogra: so, why can ltspfs mount to /tmp, but not to /media? [11:38] my prob is that ltspfs operates in userscpace [11:38] ah, fuse? [11:38] yep [11:38] nodev [11:39] so i need a mount proggy that drops privileges but issues mount as root [11:39] aka pmount :) [11:39] it feels a bit like abuse [11:40] hmm === pitti ponders [11:40] ogra: so actually the problem is just the displaying on desktop? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] ogra: so actually the problem is just the displaying on desktop? [11:41] grr === ogra kicks his wlan where it rally hurts [11:41] *really [11:42] pitti, well, no === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] pitti, its also having the device in the bookmarks list and havong the right icon === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] argh i'm going mad here [11:45] pitti, its also having the device in the bookmarks list and havong the right icon [11:45] and being able to access it from openoffice [11:46] ogra: and gnome-vfs does not show stuff in /tmp? [11:46] the ltspfs mount cares for the /tmp dir not being accessible by anyone apart from the user who mounted [11:46] ogra: it seems related to bug 50554 [11:46] Malone bug 50554 in gnome-vfs "removable devices should only show up on the desktop of the user who can access them" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50554 [11:46] well, i'd like to be able to use the exisiting infrastructure [11:46] ogra: i. e. gnome-vfs could also display mounts in !/media [11:47] and g-v-m only picks up real mounts from /media [11:47] g-v-m? [11:47] isnt g-v-m responsible here ? === pitti assumes that is supposed to mean g-vfs [11:47] oh, ok [11:47] ogra: g-v-m doesn't display anything, it just mounts [11:47] ogra: i. e. the icons you see on the desktop, panel, etc. are gnome-vfs' responsibility [11:47] ah [11:48] ogra: would it be possible to mount the stuff into the user's ~? [11:48] is theer a config i can tweak to make it pick up /tmp/.$UID/ ? [11:48] well, /tmp/$UID is fine, of course [11:48] if i mount in ~ several people in here will slay me :) [11:48] ogra: I think so, should be configurable with hal FDIs === ogra looks secretly at iwj [11:48] ogra: let me play with that a little [11:49] ogra: give me 5 minutes to start off that edgy powerpc install, then I'll look into it === Zdra [n=zdra@di-pc67.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] pitti, wow, cool, thanks for that [11:49] arrgh [11:50] ppc/live's ubiquity immediately dies and the alternate CD does not have kernel modules [11:50] ?? [11:50] ouch [11:50] ok, no edgy install today either === pounk_ [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] ogra: does that look right for your use case? [11:54] mkdir -p -m 700 /tmp/.1000/cdrom [11:54] sudo mount -o loop,uid=1000,gid=1000 -t iso9660 download/ubuntu/edgy-alternate-powerpc.iso /tmp/.1000/cdrom/ [11:54] pitti, how will that work with non gnome desktops btw ? [11:54] yep [11:54] apart from me not using a privileged user [11:55] well, structure-wise [11:55] ogra: I cannot answer that for 'non-gnome'; every desktop will have its own method (and things like fvwm don't care about that at all) [11:56] no, but we'll likely ship xfce additionally [11:56] and many users want to use it with kubuntu [11:58] neither uses g-vfs, but all check /media === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra cries [11:59] pitti, [11:59] no, but we'll likely ship xfce additionally [12:00] and many users want to use it with kubuntu [12:00] neither uses g-vfs, but all check /media [12:00] I saw that [12:00] ok [12:00] my wlan dies every 2 mis here :( === pitti still doesn't like abusing pmount for creating random bind mounts [12:00] ogra: the AE again? [12:00] AE ? [12:00] airport express [12:00] no, another linksys card [12:01] but i usually have no probs with it [12:01] no idea why it dies today :/ [12:02] ogra: are these loopback mounts? [12:03] ogra: and, btw, HAL FDIs don't work here :/ [12:03] if (mount->is_loopback || [12:03] !(mount->is_user_mountable || [12:03] g_str_has_prefix (mount->device_path, "/vol/"))) { [12:03] return NULL; [12:04] ^ oh, that's just for the drive, but we want only the volume [12:05] ogra: ok, I located the spot in gnome-vfs which we'll need to patch for this, if we go that route === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07]