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Burgundavianobody has really raised that idea yet12:03
ompauljenda, you have to ask elkbuntu,12:05
ompaulit is hers and this is not the place to raise it ;-)12:05
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ompaulthen you have to sound out the other people12:05
jendaelkbuntu = Melissa?12:05
jendaThat explains a lot12:06
jendasorry for ignorance 12:06
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jendaGood night all.01:18
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johnlittlenite01:19
bimberihi jenda, night jenda :)01:19
jenda01:20
Rinchennixternal: Rich, if you have time later, please email me info about joining the Fridge and weekly newsletter.  Thanks.01:29
nixternaljoining how?01:37
nixternalthe teams themself?01:37
nixternalthere is no uwn team really..it is a collaboration that usually occurs at the last minute on every saturday01:37
nixternalthe fridge, you would have to speak with mdke or whiprush in #ubuntu-fridge01:37
Rinchenthx. re: uwn - last minute on this chan?01:40
nixternalpretty much ya ;)01:47
nixternallast night was at least01:47
nixternaldinner time..bbiaf01:48
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poningruyarr04:37
johnlittleyo04:47
johnlittleanyone awake?05:11
poningruyep05:11
poningruwide05:11
poningruso quick questions, are the forums 'official' now?05:12
johnlittleno idea05:12
Burgundaviaponingru: yes, have been for almost 2 years05:32
Burgundaviahttp://c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=ubuntu <-- random oddness05:42
johnlittleyeah...odd05:49
poningruBurgundavia: they have been???05:57
poningruhmm weird05:57
bimberiit seems to work from results on http://images.google.com/, although not always the first one - http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images05:58
johnlittlewho does the coding on the fridge?06:01
johnlittleer not coding..but drupal admin stuff06:01
Burgundaviaa bunch of us06:02
johnlittleIt makes a huge difference with search engine results if you use the plugin to assign aliases to post title and taxonomy terms06:02
johnlittlealias plugin06:02
Burgundaviapost that idea of fridge-devel or grab somebody in #ubuntu-fridge06:03
johnlittlewill do06:03
Burgundaviaoh joy flying at 5am on Tuesday morning is going to be a pile of fun06:04
johnlittlewalk drive or swim06:05
Burgundaviathankfully I will clear security in Victoria, rather than Vancouver06:06
Burgundaviahttp://192.168.1.61/why-gnome-brochure.pdf06:19
Burgundaviasorry, http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf06:20
Burgundaviawhiprush: ^ (if you are still up)06:20
whiprushyeah06:32
whiprushjust got online06:32
whiprushlooking06:32
Burgundaviawhiprush: two to a page, going to get some printed tomorrow06:32
Burgundaviapdf is rendered oddly due to inkscape 0.43 oddness, not an issue in 0.4406:33
whiprushthat's sweet06:33
Burgundaviasee discussion in #gnome-hackers for some changes since that went up06:33
whiprushok06:40
Burgundaviaplease suggest any wording changes06:40
Burgundaviawhiprush: oh, and another poster: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg06:42
whiprushhmm06:43
whiprushthose graphics look odd to me06:43
Burgundavianeither is very good, tbh06:43
Burgundaviathe former (2) is from tango, the latter from ocal06:43
whiprushyou gave me the same url06:44
whiprushfor both06:44
Burgundaviaoh, knock the 2 off the second one06:46
whiprushwhoa06:46
whiprushthose guys look like bowling pins06:46
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Madpilothi all06:54
Burgundaviahey Madpilot06:56
Madpilothi06:56
BurgundaviaMadpilot: posters: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people.svg06:57
Burgundaviaand http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf06:57
MadpilotGnome people have no facial features?06:58
Burgundaviawhiprush: what should I with regards to a matress? we can probably get one from the hotel for ~$1006:58
Burgundaviaor I can bring one06:58
BurgundaviaMadpilot: no, they are not real people06:58
whiprushBurgundavia: I dunno, was gonna figure that out tomorrow06:58
Burgundaviaok06:58
Madpilotah, nobody real uses Gnome. good to know, but worrying ;)06:58
whiprushI think either jim or adam might have gotten a double.06:58
Burgundaviayou are arriving tomorrow, no?06:58
whiprushyeah, I leave here in about 8 hours06:59
whiprushgetting to the airport 3 hours early because of the insanity06:59
Burgundaviayou poor bastard06:59
MadpilotBurgundavia, in the pdf, loose the comma after Wisconsin06:59
whiprushI wonder what the security guy will say when they ask to fire up my laptop and they see the edgy splashscreen.07:00
BurgundaviaI fly at 5am, so it is going to be fun07:00
Burgundaviawill do07:00
Burgundaviathe test one?07:00
whiprushyeah, the bootsplash07:00
Burgundaviachanged that to the Key Largo deployment07:00
Burgundaviais it key largo or just largo, whiprush?07:01
whiprushlargo07:01
whiprushno key07:01
poningruwaaah07:01
poningruwhat largo?07:01
poningruflorida largo?07:01
poningruwhiprush: where are you?07:01
Burgundaviaindeed07:01
whiprushmichigan07:01
poningru...07:01
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Burgundavialargo, florida is a large gnome deployment07:01
Burgundaviahttp://davelargo.blogspot.com/07:02
poningruI... did not know07:02
Burgundaviaand now you do07:03
whiprushIt's one of the oldest deployments of gnome iirc.07:03
BurgundaviaMadpilot: any other feedback on those two pieces of material?07:05
Madpilotnon-silly feedback? Nope, they look good07:05
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poningruerr drive to*07:08
Burgundaviawhiprush: did you get my pm about the my plan with gnome banners?07:08
whiprushyeah07:09
Burgundaviaperfect07:09
whiprushI need to sleep though. I'll mail you the # of the hotel room as soon as I check in07:09
BurgundaviaI will be bring all the files down with me, so we can always do another printing07:09
Burgundaviacheers07:09
whiprushsee ya in a few days!07:09
Burgundaviaindeed07:10
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johnlittleI think v 5.0 of ubuntu video is almost ready07:44
Burgundaviavery cool07:44
johnlittleIf my move from dev to production works lol07:45
johnlittleI give at 50-50 chance07:45
Burgundaviaheh07:45
johnlittleat=it07:46
johnlittleI really hope it works..sleep would be so awesome tonight07:46
johnlittleIt isn't perfect but it's a step in the right direction: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com07:58
johnlittleCan't decide if I like the single video front page or if I should display more08:01
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ormiretjohnlittle: nice!08:02
johnlittleits a tad more ubuntish08:02
johnlittle:)08:02
Burgundaviajohnlittle: ohh, shiny, my book!08:04
johnlittle;)08:04
johnlittleYou can mail me an autographed 1st edition or something ;p08:05
Burgundaviayou and half the ubuntu universe08:06
Burgundaviasorry to say but you are quite far down on my list08:06
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bimberijohnlittle: ubuntuvideo is awesome!08:07
johnlittlethx bimberi08:07
johnlittleonly bug right now is the search index..trying to kick that off08:09
johnlittleah just fixed it08:10
bimberijohnlittle: what's the user login about?  it's prominent on the page, but there's nothing about creating an account (if that is even necessary)08:12
johnlittleYeah I'm probably going to disable that.08:12
johnlittleIt's just a convenience for me as im tweaking08:12
bimberijohnlittle: ah :)08:12
bimberijohnlittle: the idea, and particularly the way you've delivered it, is just so good :)08:13
johnlittleThanks08:15
johnlittleprops to nixternal for the template :)08:15
bimberi:)08:16
Burgundavianight all08:20
johnlittlenite08:26
johnlittleoops missed him08:26
johnlittleYou think $100 will get people to make some vids?08:27
Madpilotit might :)08:28
Madpilotkeep us posted08:28
johnlittleI hope so. I can't keep posting stallman speeches lol08:28
MadpilotVery minor design point - the letterspacing in the 'video' part of the title is different - tighter - than in the Ubuntu text... might want to tweak that a tiny bit08:29
johnlittleyeah i see what you mean08:29
johnlittleI'm amazed its working at all..i think i set a record for a drupal rollout08:30
johnlittleIt has improved a bit since I last used it08:30
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johnlittlelol probably08:33
johnlittleok login box is gone08:33
johnlittleit looks kind of funky at 1600x1200 ..lots of whitespace but not so bad at smaller resolutions08:33
Madpilot"Give me new videos, or I'll post video of RMS abusing his audience!" ;)08:34
johnlittleI dont think you can see the new slogan - Ubuntu Video | Linux Videos for Human Beings08:36
johnlittleneed to find a way to get that on there08:36
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jendanixternal: ping08:59
nixternalhey bud, whats up?08:59
jendaI'm just looking at the wikipage of the MT...09:00
jendaand I noticed lloydino has added a ton of projects... and marked the current ones inactive.09:00
jendaWas there any discussion about this?09:01
nixternali wasn't involved in any, and i seen some on the ML, but i can't answer that09:01
Madpilotjenda, which page again?09:02
jendahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam09:02
nixternali know i was going to implement the template we chose, and i came across that, so i held off, and create /Marketing in the meantime to work on09:02
jendaOK09:03
mdkejenda: yes, it's more or less a correct summary of the position on the mailing list09:03
jendaI will ask lloydino about it09:03
jendaah09:03
jendaReally...09:03
mdkeas for the teampage, there is now a template that all teams are using, so that's the reason for the format of the page09:04
jendaOK09:04
jendaI don't mind the format09:04
mdkethe status seems to be quite accurate to me09:04
elkbuntuhmm.. when was the makeover done?09:05
mdkeit seems to have been based on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000902.html09:05
jendaWhat I mind is 1) Ubuntu Magazine and SpreadUbuntu being marked inactive (SU I understand  - I've been away for three weeks), and also the fact that tiny things are now listed as projects. Personally, I kindof liked the idea of both the Mag and SU - possibly the counter and more being integrated into the fridge...09:05
jenda(forgot the 2) there)09:05
mdkejenda: you'll see from the mailing list that the vast majority of people object to the magazine as a marketing team project and prefer contribution to the fridge09:06
jendaI've seen a bit...09:06
mdkeas for SU, it's marked as inactive with a question mark, presumably because nothing much has been done on it09:06
jendaUnderstandably09:07
ormiretthe active projects are ones that are doing things now, SU is still on the drawing board09:07
jendaI see many people interested in working on the magazine...09:07
jendaormiret: check09:07
mdkeif the magazine goes ahead, I think it will be as a private project, rather than supported by the marketing team09:07
mdkebut contribution of articles to the fridge is definitely an important part of what the team can do. Sadly so far not a single article has been contributed09:08
jendaTrue09:09
elkbuntui thought we'd talked sara into running the mag as part of the fridge?09:09
jendaThe magazine should be careful about where it overlaps the fridge, and where it's original. The second step would be to expand the fridge to fulfill the purposes of both.09:09
ormiretjenda: I think we reached agreement that expanding the fridge was a better plan09:10
mdkealso, unfortunately, no one has contributed anything to the newsletter or edgy announcements09:10
jendahmm09:10
mdkeand the newsletter is essentially where people wanting to contribute to the magazine should be focusing09:10
mdkein fact, the bottom line is that people are talking too much, and not actually doing anything. That's why the list of projects is helpful, to try and focus people on getting something done09:11
johnlittleJenda have you checked Ubuntu Video tonight?09:11
jendaThe magazine, as has been stated and repeated, is intended for new users, whereas the UWN goes mainly for the established community (and does a prime job)09:11
jendajohnlittle: not yet - just got up ;)09:11
johnlittleSeems like you left an hour ago09:12
mdkejenda: repeating that over and over is not going to actually make the magazine a valid project for this team09:12
jendajohnlittle: went to bed a little late ;)09:12
mdkeas I say, there is broad agreement on that, as far as I can see09:12
jendaDoesn't seem like that to me - but I don't work on the magazine, so I'd consider that their business.09:13
jendajohnlittle: Wow, first look and looks great.09:13
johnlittleJenda: I finished a little ahead of schedule.09:13
mdkesure, if it's a private initiative, then it's their business09:13
johnlittleDoesn't seem to be much energy behind the magazine but I'm new here09:14
mdkenot that anyone actually has demonstrated that some work has been done09:14
jendaI see no reason to oust it out of the MT, really09:14
poningrujenda: !!09:14
jendajohnlittle: you seriously intend to pay $100 to the winner? ;)09:14
jendaponingru!09:14
johnlittlejenda: yeah. one of the reasons i created it was to get people to make more videos.09:15
jendaThat's great.09:15
ormiretjenda: it needlessly splits contributions to have the fridge and a magazine doing very similar things09:15
poningruI thought the fridge was supposed to be the magazine09:15
poningrua rolling magazine09:15
jendaCould become09:15
poningruyeah09:15
mdkejenda: as I say, you're in the minority, as far as I can see09:15
jendaormiret: I agree - have been pointing it out to the mag people from the beginning.09:16
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johnlittleBut if the mag people aren't actually going to produce anything what's the worry? ;)09:16
mdkegood, perhaps we are not so far apart after all09:16
jendamdke: since when have been people pushed out if they want to create something that benefits all?09:16
mdkejohnlittle: very true. Hence it being marked as "inactive"09:16
ormiretjenda: excellent, I think we got sara to agree the other day09:16
jendamarked inactive is fine by me, if it's true.09:17
mdkejenda: when the project doesn't actually benefit people because is overlaps with existing projects, and is likely to be beyond the reach of the team to achiveve, then there is a time to say "ok, go for it, but not as a team project"09:17
mdkethis team can't simply say "everyone bring your ideas and we'll achieve them all"09:18
mdkebecause so far the only things that have been achieved have been by two people, johnlittle and elkbuntu (sorry if I missed someone), and the team has done hardly anything09:18
mdkeso focus is vital if the team is going to get anywhere09:19
poningrusorry but are you proposing dissolving -marketing?09:19
mdkeno, of course not09:19
ormiretponingru: no, integrating the magazine project with the firdge09:19
poningruoh...09:19
poningrusorry09:19
mdkethe team just needs to knuckle down and do some work on projects that are achievable09:19
elkbuntui think he's trying to whip us into shape and stop the romantic ambitions of grandeur09:20
poningruhehe09:20
mdke:)09:20
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jendaThanks for the constructive criticism there. It helps a lot. You are right that the only two projects that have been finalised are those two, and both have been created privately as one-(wo)man-shows and then published as marketing initiatives.09:20
=== poningru has been trying to do that since beggining of summer
poningrugranted having no internet makes acheiving that goal just a bit harder09:21
elkbuntuponingru, you know in cartoons how people get lightbulbs above their head? that was how the counter started. i got an idea and ran with it hoping for the best.. then when it took off i realised it's potential and told the team.. who then wanted more out of it, so i created the survey project09:22
poningrusee these projects are really awesome09:23
poningrubut we really do need to do the non glamorous jobs09:23
elkbuntublogger buttons are the internet marketting tools of here and now09:23
poningruoh yeah just look at firefox09:23
jendaelkubuntu, do you think the counter could/should be a part of the fridge?09:23
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elkbuntujenda, you know.. im not entirely sure09:24
=== ormiret thinks not: linking between them is good but they are doing different things
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elkbuntui never, in all honesty, expected to have 1000 machines or users... now i have 10000+ machines registered09:26
poningruthe counter can take the place of the 'download counter' for spreadfx09:26
poningruwoah09:26
johnlittleI think getting some serious DIY material together could be a good team project that really shows benefit..create stuff that can take on a life of it's own09:26
poningruum I have to say then its a yes09:27
poningruwe should combine counter with fridge09:27
poningruif we have more than 10000+ in such a small time09:27
jendaIt would be cool if the fridge was really a center of all the community websites - in this particular case, the counter could have a little box in the top right of the fridge... it would show the numbers... and would link to counter.ubuntu.com...09:27
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elkbuntuwas there actually a meeting at all yesterday?09:27
poningruright09:27
poningruthere was a meeting yesterday?09:28
jendawhich reminds me - elkbuntu, wouldn't that be a better place for the counter anyway? (or count.ubuntu.com)09:28
jendaponingru: not that I know of...09:28
elkbuntujenda, im a bit worried about moving it to the canonical hosting at the moment... its not all that stable.. but if there could be the subdomain pointing to it, then by all means09:28
jendahmm... I though it was the docteam that gave that hosting...09:29
jendabut the subdomain should be the URL, I think. It would make it look more official - more like THE Ubuntu Counter.09:29
elkbuntui wouldnt know... but the hosting for the ubuntu sites has been less than brilliant of late.. the past month there's been at least one downtime per week09:30
johnlittleelkbuntu: if you're intrested in the ubuntu template style I'm using on ubuntuvideo I can make it available. just let me know.09:30
elkbuntujenda, that would be a subdomain redirect with cloaking or framing09:30
elkbuntuafk09:33
poningruelkbuntu: hehe true on the former point09:33
poningruthe downtime09:33
jendanot good news - didn't know.09:33
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poningrusoftware freedom day and wiki was down yesterday I know for sure09:33
=== jenda saw too
poningrubut yeah we need marketing to do the boring stuff too09:35
poningruthe contacting the press, press releases etc.09:35
johnlittleI get marketing types contacting me daily offering to send books, movies, and other press kits...maybe someone could start working the bloggers..send them email and offer to arrange a shipit shipment.09:36
poningrujohnlittle: wait to send you books movies etc. regarding what?09:38
poningruubuntu?09:38
johnlittleFOr my other life :)09:39
johnlittlePolitics and stuff09:39
poningruah ic09:39
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johnlittletheres plenty to read :)09:40
johnlittlebut enough about me..we need to move some ubuntu cds09:40
johnlittletongiht!09:41
johnlittleer tonight09:41
poningruhehe09:41
poningruthat actually sounds like a good idea09:42
johnlittleOur job will only be done when shuttleworth comes in here and tells us to hold off - that he can't keep up09:42
poningruhehe I think our job will only be done when we can mark bug #1 FIXED09:42
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johnlittleyo09:45
jendaponingru: check ;)09:47
jendaHello matthewrevell.09:47
poningruyo09:48
poningruwhat the09:48
poningruwoah anyone see the open source tv thing09:51
poningrugo-opensource.org09:52
jendaponingru: huh?09:52
jendaah09:52
Madpilotjohnlittle, I think you should share your 'We've Come For Your Desktop' wallpaper with the mailing list :)09:57
johnlittleah just a sec09:57
Madpilotif only because I'm fairly sure some humour-lacking subscribers will have fits ;)09:57
johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ss/umkt.png09:58
johnlittleeyes by elkbuntu09:58
elkbuntuMadpilot, are you thinking who i am thinking? ;)09:59
johnlittlemarketing disaster? :)09:59
Madpilotelkbuntu, I wasn't going to mention names :)09:59
elkbuntummhmm09:59
elkbuntuMadpilot, i wasnt either09:59
Madpilotbut if people can't get the joke behind Bug #1... ;)09:59
poningruhehe10:00
poningruseriously though lets not pass that around...10:01
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jendajohnlittle: I mega-love that :-D10:01
johnlittlewe take no prisoners :)10:02
poningruseriously guys valve is a bit of a prude when it comes to its copyrighted matierials10:02
poningrulets not...10:03
Madpilotponingru, pity, maybe I'll launch a long-term private project to redraw the image so we have a usable, similar image :)10:03
poningruhehe10:04
elkbuntuMadpilot, go buy some lego policemen... lego people always rock10:04
MadpilotLego is cool10:05
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Madpilotbut not, I think, threatening enough for this case10:05
MadpilotHmm... why does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeamStatus still exist when we have a status display on our main team page now?10:06
poningruwe have a main team page?10:06
elkbuntuthat page was the humorless one's fault, Madpilot10:06
Madpilotponingru, check the /topic of this channel ;)10:07
Madpilotelkbuntu, OK - I'm going to nuke it, leave a link back to the main MT page10:07
elkbuntunote the horrible second header and obnoxious <hr>10:07
elkbuntui think you'll find the four page links at the bottom may also be his fault10:08
elkbuntu3 of the 4, i mean10:09
MadpilotI'm not interested in faults, just in keeping our area of the wiki semi-rational10:09
elkbuntuok then, s/fault/doing/10:10
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johnlittlewe have to be rational? I'm leaving10:15
elkbuntulol10:15
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poningruaaaah10:15
poningrusorry10:15
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Madpilotjohnlittle, no, I only specified "semi-rational", so no worries ;)10:16
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elkbuntuhow the heck did you manage it anyway, poningru?10:16
johnlittleoh im good then10:16
poningruelkbuntu: wrong focus10:16
ormiretMadpilot: half of us have to be rational, or we all have to be half rational?10:16
Madpilotormiret, whichever suits10:17
johnlittleelkbuntu: Would you like your box on UV to say "Ubuntu Counter" or "Get Counted" (or something like that10:17
johnlittleBe Counted..10:17
elkbuntuwhichever you think would appeal most10:18
johnlittleBe Counted is kind of growing on me10:18
elkbuntuby all means, go with it10:18
johnlittleits more action oriented..may draw more clicks10:18
johnlittleDone10:20
elkbuntu:)10:21
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johnlittlecrap..i thought i would get some sleep tonight10:44
Madpilotsleep is overrated10:45
Madpilotwhich TZ are you in, anyway?10:45
johnlittlecentral10:46
johnlittleus10:46
johnlittleit's 3:4610:46
johnlittlethe coffee shop next door opens in an hour and twenty minutes tho :)10:47
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Madpilotthere you go, just get thru Monday powered by coffee10:48
Madpilotit's only Monday, right?10:48
johnlittleI get  through every day powered by coffee10:48
johnlittleyep10:48
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=== poningru is on summer vacation so...
poningruit will be 5 here in about 4 minutes10:54
johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/could_you_use_a_hundred_bucks10:59
Madpilotjohnlittle, I like #511:00
Madpilothope someone takes you up on that idea11:00
johnlittleThat could be interesting11:00
MadpilotI would, if I knew someone with a video camera11:00
johnlittleput a note on craigs list..need FOSS fan with videocamera for project :)11:01
Madpilotheh. My grandparents used to be big camcorder fans, but they got over it :)11:01
johnlittleeven most cell phones can do it now11:02
Madpilotbadly, but yes11:02
Madpilotexcept mine, it's an incredibly old fashioned cellphone, all it does it make calls ;)11:03
ormiretMadpilot: all videos are bad once youtube gets them11:03
poningruhehe11:03
Madpilotormiret, true11:03
=== poningru hates youtube
=== johnlittle loves youtube - it spreads ubuntu
poningruits the format I hate11:03
poningrunon free11:04
=== ormiret would like youtube to have the download in original format that google video has
johnlittleyes non-free but look at the way its empowering the individual...thats pretty cool11:04
poningruand yes /me does drink the koolaid rms prepares11:04
poningrujohnlittle: true, but it wont last11:04
poningrutoo many copyright infringment for the big owners to sit around and do nothing11:05
poningrueven though it actually helps them...11:05
johnlittleyeah thats a concern...the entertainment folks are so shortsighted11:05
ormiretthe copyright stuff on youtube will probably diappear, but the stuff people are making themselves will stick around - and some of it is very good11:06
poningrusee everytime through out history this has happend something revolutionary in distribution comes around people in control freak11:06
johnlittleAh yes..but they usually lose11:06
poningrui.e radio, betamax and now the internet11:06
poningrutrue11:06
poningruthey lost the last two times11:06
poningrubut this time they seem to be winning i.e drm11:07
poningruand non free formats ;)11:07
ormiretdrm isn't winning - it doesn't stop piracy11:07
ormiretall it does is annoy people who buy legal content11:07
poningrubut it stops normal people from enjoying music11:07
poningruexactly11:08
johnlittledrm is good..it's pissing people off who normally wouldnt pay attention. the last three ubuntu converts i had at work all mentioned drm11:08
poningrubut I am not talking about drm specificially talking about the laws that rule it11:08
poningruDMCA11:08
MadpilotI bought the newest Rolling Stones CD last year, it had some DRM crap on it so it wouldn't play in Ubuntu - but soundjuicer could rip it just fine... go figure11:08
poningruMadpilot: hehe11:09
MadpilotSJ couldn't play the CD, but it could rip it11:09
nixternal_johnlittle: what happened to #6?11:10
poningruhmm weird11:10
johnlittle?11:10
johnlittlehe lives11:10
nixternal_http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/could_you_use_a_hundred_bucks11:10
Madpilotah, it goes 1 2 3 4 5 7...11:11
johnlittleah fixed11:11
johnlittleit's late :)11:11
johnlittlethx11:11
MadpilotI thought it was early ;)11:11
nixternal_hehe11:11
nixternal_ya, it is 4:11am here11:11
ormiretthat's why you should be using <ol> rather than putting the numbers in manually11:11
ormiretthe computer can usually count11:11
johnlittlelol11:11
Madpilotusually11:11
johnlittleyou guys think $100 will motivate anyone?11:12
poningrusorry but whats the competition?11:13
=== poningru hasnt seen any of the vids
johnlittlebest video submitted before sept 30 wins $10011:13
johnlittleanything ubuntu related11:13
poningruhehe11:14
ormiretjohnlittle: how is the winner going to be selected?11:14
johnlittleMe ;)11:14
=== poningru thinks about just submitting his sfd documentation
nixternal_how is the UWN marketing?11:14
johnlittleif there's enough entries I'll probably assemble them for feedback..but I write the check so...11:14
poningrujohnlittle: dude you are footing the hundred bucks?11:15
johnlittleyeah11:15
nixternal_UWN == News FOR the community, ABOUT the community.  We don't need to market to ourselves, I think we got the fact we all use Ubuntu and like it11:15
johnlittleI'm on the fence11:15
johnlittle:p11:15
nixternal_i think that is where im heading11:15
johnlittleI like it11:15
ormiretUWN is also marketing for people outside the community - it shows we are actually doing things11:16
nixternal_hmmm11:16
nixternal_how many nixternal's are there11:16
poningrutrue11:16
nixternal_if you say so11:16
nixternaland stay out!11:16
poningruyeah I think uwn can make it seem to power users that we are organized a bit11:17
ormiretloads of organisations have newsletters that are marketing - a list of good/interesting things they are doing11:17
nixternalgo into #ubuntu or #kubuntu and ask how many of them read the UWN...i think the most i ever got was 511:17
poningruand wont be the distro of the year11:17
nixternaland i have been doing the the UWN now for a couple of months11:17
=== poningru takes up nixternal on his offer
nixternalso i take it the magazine is no longer a "project" as well11:18
johnlittleI dunno. I've watched people toss that around all night but no idea where it stands11:18
=== poningru likes it
poningruit gives a weekly summary as it were11:19
ormiretwe haven't heard from sara for a couple of days, but I think she agreed expanding the fridge was the best plan11:19
nixternalwell, somebody took it either upons themselves to remove it, or there were some behind the scenes business going on11:19
nixternal<sigh>11:19
ormiretAndreas updated the list as he thought things were, if anyone disagrees they are free to change it11:20
ormirethe did put a lot of ?'s in11:20
poningrusara?11:21
nixternalwho died and made him boss?   i think removing a project that has had work/brainstorming in the past, that don't belong to you, shouldn't be removed w/o consent, but then again..11:22
matthewrevellUWN as marketing: marketing doesn't end when we convert someone. Retention is just as important as recruitment.11:22
nixternalthats what i was looking for ;)11:23
matthewrevellWe've got to make people glad they chose and continue to use Ubuntu11:23
matthewrevellObviously Ubuntu does that job11:23
nixternalthere has to be a point where marketing hands them over though, like to development, packaging, or documentation ;)11:23
Madpilotnixternal, all the wiki edits are logged, you can go back thru the edits and figure out when something vanished, and get it back11:23
johnlittlegive me a cookie11:23
nixternali did Madpilot, and there was no reason11:23
nixternalplus my email tells all11:23
matthewrevellnixternal: Why do we need to hand people? It's not like we have lock-down on people :)11:24
nixternalthere is only so much line on my fishing reel ;)11:24
nixternalhehe11:24
nixternalhad to poke a little fun, the tension in here could be cut with a chainsaw11:24
matthewrevellnixternal: You're starting to sound as vague as JB :)11:24
nixternaljoe boo11:24
johnlittlemaybe he is j...omg11:25
nixternalnever, he is a liberal from detroit11:25
johnlittlelol11:25
nixternalim a conservative from chicago11:25
matthewrevellnixternal: I love the way you chaps wear your "conservative/liberal" thing on your sleeve :)11:26
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nixternali tend to wear it on my knuckles with these kennedy lovers11:26
nixternalclinton rather11:26
nixternalgah, one eye is open, time to die11:26
nixternalnight11:26
matthewrevellAnyway, did I miss anything over night?11:26
matthewrevellnixternal: Night11:27
=== poningru is a GDI
poningrubut a liberal11:29
poningrufrack /me has to go to bed11:30
matthewrevellShall we leave politics out of this channel, eh?11:30
poningrudad just woke up11:30
poningrunight guys11:30
matthewrevellnight11:30
matthewrevelljohnlittle: I'm thinking of putting Ubuntu Video on the Fridger11:30
matthewrevellAny objections?11:31
matthewrevellor requests?11:31
johnlittleNo that would be great11:31
matthewrevellcool11:31
johnlittleMaybe mention the $100 bounty :) I really want to get new videos out there11:31
matthewrevellwill do11:32
johnlittleDo you do admin stuff for the fridge?11:32
johnlittleSome minor drupal changes would really improve the search engine results for the frisge11:33
johnlittleIt needs to have the pathauto module installed and set for clean urls--google hits will skyrocket with clean urls11:35
matthewrevelljohnlittle: I don't do any Drupal stuff, no :( We need someone with Drupal expertise.11:35
matthewrevellAgree on the clean URLs.11:35
johnlittleI can help sometime this week if needed11:36
johnlittleIt's a relatively minor change11:36
johnlittleIf you click around ubuntuvideo you'll see the clean urls11:36
matthewrevelljohnlittle: We need as much help as possible with Drupal stuff. There are a number of things we'd like to do, but can't because we lack the skills atm. Thanks for the offer.11:37
matthewrevellThe mailing list is private. Would you like to be added?11:38
johnlittlesure11:38
johnlittleWow, I just checked alexa.com and the fridge gets a ton of traffic. clean urls would have a hge impact11:39
matthewrevellmail fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com from the email addr you wanna use and mention you've spoken to me. I'll then reply to the list requesting that Daniel Robitaille add you.11:39
johnlittlewill do11:39
nixternalnow that is marketing!!!      http://chi.ubuntu-us.org/teamstuff/ucmark.jpg11:40
matthewrevellwow, fridge.ubuntu.com is teh roxxor, clearly11:41
matthewrevellin terms of traffic11:41
matthewrevellnixternal: woh, run a filter on that :)11:41
KenSentMeI've just read a small newsitem on a dutch tech website about a firm called 'System76'. They are handing out stickers with 'Powered by Ubuntu', like 'Powered by Intel'11:42
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johnlittleMan arrested in Chicago for asking strangers to taste the Ubuntu11:43
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matthewrevelljohnlittle: got a quote for the article?11:44
johnlittleYeah..they make a nice ubuntu box11:44
johnlittleum hm lemme think11:44
KenSentMeThe stickers that i got with my ubuntu cd's are not suited for cars. After one rainy day the sticker is gone11:45
matthewrevellHang on, YouTube uses Flash rights?11:45
matthewrevells/rights/right11:45
johnlittleYes youtube uses flash.11:46
matthewrevellSo, people complaining about the proprietary format are mistaken, surely.11:46
matthewrevellThe format is open, isn't it?11:47
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johnlittlePeople have a lot of complaints about flash now..even about the licensing issues. But I'm going where the videos and the viewers are until we have an alternative11:49
johnlittleRSM will probably hunt me down and strangle me with his beard but..eg11:50
johnlittleeh11:51
johnlittlewhat is the taste of ubuntu anyway?11:51
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matthewrevelljohnlittle: Okay, the story's in the moderation queue now. Just waiting for another Fridge editor to check and approve it.11:58
jendamatthewrevell: I changed the /Shipping page - are you happier with it now?12:00
johnlittleoh noes ...the bigtime12:00
matthewrevelljenda: Erm.12:04
matthewrevelljenda: I personally wouldn't refer to opposition within the team.12:04
matthewrevelljenda: I think the issue was that people wanted discussion, me included, before this sort of thing happened, as it was a fairly big step.12:05
matthewrevellAs an aside, I'd like some stickers. How do I buy them?12:06
elkbuntuthe system76 ones?12:06
matthewrevellelkbuntu: No, Jenda's/12:07
ormirethttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping12:08
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Jenda got some case stickers printed and is selling them12:08
matthewrevellelkbuntu: to cover his costs12:08
elkbuntu... they look strikingly similar... http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/53_6412:08
matthewrevelljenda: Perhaps we should do a Fridge story.12:09
elkbuntui agree12:10
elkbuntujenda's are better anyway, imho12:10
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Jenda's were around before the System76 thing became public, AFAIK. So, perhaps they copied Jenda :)12:11
johnlittledrool: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/12:11
elkbuntumatthewrevell, i wasnt implying any wrongdoing on jenda's behalf, just musing12:14
matthewrevelljenda: No, I realise :) I was just joking around.12:15
matthewrevellelkbuntu: That was meant for you12:16
matthewrevelldoh12:16
elkbuntuhow much are the stickers12:16
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Not sure.12:17
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Jenda did have the details on the page, but there was some discussion on the list as to whether we wanted to be selling stuff in the name of the team.12:17
matthewrevellat least without a thorough discussion first12:18
matthewrevelland a less chaotic team12:19
elkbuntuspeaking of displaying distro pride.. anyone know how the tshirt comp panned out?12:19
matthewrevellnot yet, no.12:19
=== elkbuntu hopes she won.. i want free tshirts :P
matthewrevellI believe Chris Kenyon is one in San Francisco for the Linux World Expo, so I dunno how contacable he is12:20
mindspinelkbuntu do you have a link at hand meanwhile?12:20
=== johnlittle eyes elbuntus free shirts jealously
elkbuntumindspin, you mean to the pic of my entry?12:21
mindspinyup12:21
elkbuntujohnlittle, i dont know if i won yet... just hoping12:21
elkbuntuhttp://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/tshirtidea.png iirc12:21
mindspinstill refusing to show up...12:22
elkbuntuyou may not have 8080 open12:22
johnlittleknow what would be funny. if they told you that you won and sent you shirts with those for mini shirts printed on them12:22
elkbuntulet me hop it over the my webserver which is on 8012:22
elkbuntujohnlittle, i should hope chris has some brain cells active ;)12:23
elkbuntumindspin, http://meldra.no-ip.info/tshirtidea.png12:25
mindspinit does something...12:25
elkbuntuit is sort of a huge pic12:27
mindspinelkbuntu: I have some comments on the questions at the "survey"site, I#m not sure how to post them, may I attach some "comments" fields?12:27
elkbuntumindspin, sure, under the discussion heading12:27
mindspinok12:27
elkbuntui didnt realise the .png was that effing huge...12:28
mindspinI'll copy'n paste the questions section with comments there12:28
mindspinmaybe a subpage just for commenting and adding questions would be nice to follow those comments and change applies without messing up the structure of the site..12:30
elkbuntuok... png shrunked...12:31
elkbuntumindspin, sure12:31
mindspinI'll have a try, if I fail with it I'll ping you12:32
johnlittleanyone try a 6.0.6.1 install from scratch yet?12:35
elkbuntuit includes the 26 kernel which alot of people have trouble with12:40
elkbuntuanyway, afk12:41
matthewrevellafk12:43
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jendamatthewrevell: I'm back - with the stickers.12:51
jendaI'm catching up on what you wrote now12:51
jendafridge = great, but I only have 140 left, if all of the preorders were real...12:52
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jendaOnce I'm done, I will probably be making another batch, due to the success...12:53
jendaMenZa: ping? In the end, the price was almost exactly $100, sorry for the misconception - forgot the taxes.12:53
MenZajenda: can we talk later? I'm on my way out12:54
MenZaWork12:54
jendamatthewrevell: If you want to buy a few - just drop me a mail. I only have the No Caption type left, though.12:55
=== jenda likes them better than the Powered By anyway
jendamatthewrevell: changed the 'opposition' part.12:57
digitalmousegreetings programs!01:01
jendahello digitalmouse01:04
KenSentMehello01:05
johnlittleTHE TRUTH!01:08
johnlittle:)01:08
johnlittlethx fridge guys01:08
digitalmousecan we handle this 'TRUTH' ?01:17
jendaPut it on film, publish on uv.com, win the bounty - handled.01:18
johnlittleI hope somebody does that..before I run out of videos :)01:19
johnlittleTheres 500 RSM speeches online..But that would be stallmanvideo.com01:20
poningrumorning guys01:34
poningruso 3 hours of sleep01:35
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johnlittlehttp://byte.livenet.pl/?p=68201:36
johnlittle100 dolarw amerykaskich.01:36
johnlittleI think in a lot of places that $100 is going to look pretty attractive01:36
jendajohnlittle: indeed. It's about 40 hours of student's work here...01:38
jendaAnd half a month's wage in Ukraine...01:38
johnlittleYep. If it works really well I may do it monthly. Maybe $50 instead of a hundred though.01:39
poningruits $100 here01:39
poningru;)01:39
johnlittlelol01:39
jendaThat would be mega-cool. I might even get into video-making :-D01:40
johnlittleHopefully somebody who needs it will make a really cool video.01:41
johnlittleThen everybody wins01:41
jendayep01:41
johnlittleThe fridge is awesome..people are already blogging the story01:42
jenda < utter happinnes01:44
matthewrevelljohnlittle: Apart from the one above, do you have any links?01:46
matthewrevellafk01:47
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bimberi"He told The Fridge what motivated him...."  ... and was promptly scolded for talking to kitchen appliances rather than his own family01:47
bimberi;p01:48
matthewrevellbimberi: haha01:53
matthewrevelljohnlittle: With your Drupal knowledge, how easy would it be to add a comments facility to the Fridge?01:54
johnlittleProbably not too difficult..it's managing them thats a chore. I don't think there's decent spam filtering for drupal. You're probably talking a few hundred spam comments a month01:55
johnlittlewith a blog that size01:55
matthewrevelljohnlittle: I can imagine it being worse than that.01:55
matthewrevelljohnlittle: Hmm, okay. Not to worry.01:55
johnlittleIt easily could be01:56
matthewrevellthanks01:56
johnlittleI noticed it's not registered with technorait.com It really should be. Lots of bloggers use that as a source01:58
johnlittleer http://www.technorati.com01:58
johnlittleUbuntu Demon links to it a lot: http://www.technorati.com/search/fridge.ubuntu.com01:59
matthewrevelljohnlittle: That's all Ubuntu Demon does :)01:59
johnlittlelol02:00
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johnlittlewb02:04
elkbuntumy connection will probably be pretty crap for a while... we're churning to a new isp.. but dont know when etc02:10
johnlittleI'm heading to work. Have a nice day ppl.02:12
elkbuntucya john02:13
poningrucya john02:17
poningruelkbuntu: isnt it night in aus?02:17
poningruerr nm02:17
elkbuntuMon Aug 14 22:22:12 EST 200602:22
elkbuntuponingru, --^02:22
Kamping_KaiserMon Aug 14 21:52:37 CST 200602:22
Kamping_Kaiser^^^ ;P02:22
elkbuntuget with the times, Kamping_Kaiser :P02:22
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, you youth of today, rushing ahead all the time ;)02:23
elkbuntu... im older than you!02:23
Kamping_Kaiseri know, i enjoyed the irony :)02:24
elkbuntuim sure you did02:24
Kamping_Kaiser:) *hugs elkbuntu *02:24
elkbuntu:)02:24
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:24
Kamping_KaiserUbuntu Linux: the only thing that will take you offline is a power outage02:25
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elkbuntuheh02:26
poningruah gotch02:31
poningrurofl02:31
poningrubwhahahaha02:31
poningruwait /me thought elkbuntu was in college02:31
poningruhow old are you?02:32
elkbuntume? 2402:32
Kamping_Kaiserwhats college?02:32
elkbuntudone a year of uni and several years of tafe, which is like community college02:33
=== Kamping_Kaiser hugs elkbuntu , tafe sucks :/
elkbuntuKamping_Kaiser, it does indeed02:33
Kamping_Kaiser*only* 1 year-3weeks to go02:34
Kamping_Kaiserer, -2weeks, 1 day02:34
elkbuntubut it got me a several statments of attainment, a cert 4 and a diploma02:34
=== Kamping_Kaiser is unconvinced its going to be worth it.
elkbuntuit will be. our class had to independently teach ourselves php to get through the course because the teacher couldnt explain asp.net properly enough, but in the end, we got the piece of paper, and that's all that matters02:37
KenSentMeHi guys. If i want te make an ubuntu video about telling people how you do some things in Ubuntu, how can i make video screen captures of ubuntu?02:38
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, the linux component is centos from 3 years ago02:38
Kamping_Kaiserusing redhat 9 training materials02:38
Kamping_KaiserKenSentMe, have a look at vnc2somethingoranother. theres quite a few, but i cant recomend any02:39
elkbuntuKamping_Kaiser, alot of places are still using crud like that02:39
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, i found that out and my acceptance of learning win server 2k3 dropped about 50000km02:39
elkbuntuheh02:40
bimberiKenSentMe: http://ubuntuvideo.com/share_your_ubuntu_with_the_world02:40
KenSentMeKamping_Kaiser: bimberi: thanx02:40
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, we should talk in -au, that way md ke wont be on us to keep On Topic :)02:40
elkbuntuheh :P we're discussing the types of people we're aiming at... ;)02:41
bimberi'evening huggers :)02:41
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, true, but in a round about way :)02:41
Kamping_Kaiserhey standoffer ;)02:41
Kamping_Kaiserhow are you going bimberi ?02:41
bimberilol02:41
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, i have started working on the otehr studens... but i think tafe as an institution is too far gone :/02:42
elkbuntuwell, at least tafe in your area of the world uses linux officially and openly, rather than secretly02:43
ompaulKamping_Kaiser, no, it just has not been enlightened02:43
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elkbuntuompaul, you have no idea of the stupidity of many of the educational institutions in australia02:44
ompaulelkbuntu, watch this02:44
ompaulKamping_Kaiser, ever hear of FSFLA ?02:44
Kamping_Kaiserspeaking of training materials - are there any good ones available for ubuntu, or is it 'read the help'?02:44
elkbuntuwatch what?02:44
ompaulKamping_Kaiser, in the help02:44
Kamping_Kaiserompaul, no02:44
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ompaulFederico Heinz - do conference or some such - have this man come and talk about software in education - software in the public interest02:47
ompaulhehe02:47
ompaulI'll find you links to him talking online02:47
ompaulbrilliant speaker - inspiring to be honest02:47
Kamping_Kaiserthanks.02:48
Kamping_KaiserLCA 2k6 education miniconf blew my mind  - some amazing stuff02:48
elkbuntueducational institutes in new south wales are fearful of using linux because they worry that microsoft will stop giving them free stuff02:48
ompaulKamping_Kaiser,  http://ifso.ie/events/2006-04-29/02:49
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, NSW and VIC have state government decrees 'thou shalt use MS', they dont have a choice02:49
ompaulelkbuntu, what do they want that for02:49
elkbuntuKamping_Kaiser, nsw has an open source department02:49
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, yeh, i know.02:49
Kamping_Kaiserthey destribute info in .doc02:49
ompaulelkbuntu, point at forfas02:49
ompaulKamping_Kaiser, ask them why are they burdening you with a "microsoft tax in the future" they need to use ODF02:50
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Kamping_Kaisergo !02:50
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elkbuntuwhat have i done to my pdf plugin to make it crap itself when i use firefox? :(02:51
ompaulKamping_Kaiser, na - you know the drill, just get the talks on that site and hand them to your "tutors"02:51
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ompaulmindspin, for fun02:51
ompaul  http://ifso.ie/events/2006-04-29/  and just a sec02:52
ompaulhttp://www.forfas.ie/publications/show/pub238.html humour me and don't point to the irony in the web page where it shows a url link02:54
Kamping_KaiserROFL02:55
Kamping_Kaiserer, *cough*02:55
Kamping_Kaiser*mutter, choke*02:55
elkbuntuhaha.. someone's trying to eat his words..02:56
Kamping_KaiserRecordings: video  (mirror), audio: ogg  (mirror)  mp3, audio Q&A: ogg  (mirror)  mp3. <= cool02:59
mindspin138.9 MB filesize .....03:09
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poningruKamping_Kaiser: work?03:33
Kamping_Kaiserponingru, one of the places i volunteer for - i'm sysadmin. since tehy dont work nights, wgetting can happen03:33
poningruah nice03:34
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, when the ruddy sysadmin hasnt messed up the gateway config ;)03:34
poningrunight guys03:45
Kamping_Kaiserlater03:46
elkbuntunight poningru03:51
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jendaelkbuntu: beautiful tshirt design. Good luck.04:59
elkbuntujenda, it's been like 5-6 days since entries closed.. i wanna know already ;)05:00
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matthewrevellGuys, I'm up for membership in the meeting beginning in #ubuntu-meeting in 47 mins. If anyone's interested :)05:13
elkbuntubit late for me, ive really got to get my sleep pattern away from being nocturnal05:16
jendamatthewrevell: I'm counting on it - I've had the alarm set for a long time :)05:17
elkbuntuare they usually at this time?05:17
matthewrevelljenda: Thanks :)05:19
jendaelkbuntu: usually later ;)05:20
elkbuntugah05:20
matthewrevellelkbuntu: I think they have them at different times, but I believe more of the Community Council are in the UK than outside it.05:20
elkbuntuit's going to make it stupidly difficult for me to get membership then, since they go for so long before membership comes up05:21
elkbuntui've only attended one.. and it was way late..err early by the time i got to bed05:21
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digitalmousematthew: although I can't be there, you can quote me as saying 'he gets my vote!'  :-)05:24
elkbuntunighto all.. gl matthewrevell :)05:40
matthewrevellelkbuntu: night and thanks :)05:40
matthewrevellwhat time is it ovr there?05:40
elkbuntuTue Aug 15 01:40:57 EST 200605:40
matthewrevelloh, not at nixternal levels then :)05:41
elkbuntui -could- wait for the meeting, but if i do that murphy's law will turn on me and make it be 4am before memberships get around to happening :P05:41
matthewrevellyeah, more than likely.05:42
elkbuntuanyway, cyas tomorrow05:42
matthewrevellbye!05:42
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mindspinmatthewrevell: you managed to attend ?06:02
jendamindspin: it's just startnig06:02
mindspinI#m there06:02
matthewrevellyes, for now.06:03
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astopywhere might I be able to find a (preferable scalable) copy of the ubuntu logo?06:37
astopyah, never mind, I found it06:38
jendaMenZa: good news - I have $17 on my paypal. Getting close to the $25 I owe you ;)06:39
MenZaGreat.06:39
MenZaThough I still can't beat those $100 :\06:39
MenZaI can do $130 on foil06:39
MenZaer06:39
MenZa$12006:39
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jendaMenZa: I'll think about it ;)06:42
jendaI'll send you a sample.06:42
jendaSo that you can compare the quality.06:42
MenZaRight06:43
MenZaHave my address?06:43
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jendaMenZa: I will once the package from you comes ;)06:43
jendaOr you can mail it to me.06:44
MenZaRight :)06:44
MenZaNah, I'm just including it in the package.06:44
jendaOK06:44
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nixternal[10:41]  <matthewrevell> oh, not at nixternal levels then :)08:03
nixternalsorry ;)  hit the middle button ;)08:04
astopyassuming I get permission for the logo, what would everyone think of a site like this http://moosoft.net/why.png  with articles highlighting the advantages of using ubuntu?08:05
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lophytehey all09:56
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KenSentMelophyte: hi09:57
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MenZajenda: I'm going to Czech Republic sometime in September.10:16
MenZaWith school.10:16
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davmor2I'd love to be a case study.  I'm still relatively new to Linux/computing so my opinion on things may help give you some Ideas on how to help newbies/novices and give you more idea of how their opinions can be affected by good/bad stuff with Ubuntu.  Also I am running 64bit so I come across a lot of problems that aren't normally an issue.  This may also help as it is now getting harder to purchase a 32bit pc. It's10:53
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