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[03:34] try new york [03:34] @schedule New York [03:34] true [03:34] rofl [03:35] @schedule New York City === poningru goes to the full list [03:36] http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/timezones.html [03:37] @schedule Eastern [03:37] Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 14 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team [03:37] \o/ === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:37] still lame ... 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[05:49] :( [05:49] @schedule Sao_Paulo [05:49] Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 14 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako [i=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Community Council | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 15 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm2-0-75146.0x535a2f1e.vgnxx2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FE194.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === AndreNoel [n=noel@201.22.95.1.static.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:59] hrm... editing the CC agenda caused X to chew much cpu power.. === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crimsun_ [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === byen [n=byen@69.245.112.247] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:01] hi fschoep [06:01] Hello Pete. [06:02] Has the meeting started yet? [06:02] nope === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:02] let's wait === AlexRocha [n=AlexRoch@200.252.103.84] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:03] mako, elmo: who will be joining us today? sabdfl or kamion? [06:03] i hope so [06:04] sabdfl should be [06:04] hi all [06:04] kamion won't, he's on holiday [06:04] hi [06:04] isnt Kamion still on vacation? [06:04] I think he is, yes. [06:04] yeah, that would make it hard for him to join ;) [06:04] How's everyone doing ? :) [06:04] Seveas, ssh is your friend [06:04] ompaul, I wouldn't be joining on a holiday, ssh or not === kirjanov [n=denis@87.118.204.50] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ubuntugeek [n=rtroy@64.141.138.3] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:05] licio: hi === imtheface [n=imthefac@ip123-200.cbn.net.id] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pcniatic [n=mauro@pc-199-12-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:05] sabdfl is trying to join but having network problems [06:06] Seveas, Kamion is gone to some irish island where even phone lines are rare ...he wont e able to join, even if he wanted ;) [06:07] hahah [06:07] now thats getting away === Rinchen is now known as JoeyStanford === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:08] I don;t think I could be without the net [06:08] kirjanov, matthewrevell, carthik, lloydinho, svaksha, tseliot: please prepare your 3-line intro so you can paste it when requested [06:08] ogra, there is more than one such island, however one of them got wireless broadband a month ago :) it was close enough to land for line of sight to work :) [06:08] sure Seveas [06:08] Seveas: Ready to go :) [06:08] ompaul, i dounbt he has any computers with him ;) === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:08] *doubt === pcniatic [n=mauro@pc-199-12-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:09] Seveas: what about the people that have not yet been approved/declined by mako? should they also prepare their intro again? [06:09] lfittl, good question -- I'll leave it up to mako to answer it ;) [06:09] sabdfl: welcome [06:09] hi sabdfl ! [06:09] lfittl: you've already been approved in launchpad [06:09] Hi sabdfl [06:09] hi sabdfl [06:09] lfittl: sorry for not sending an email [06:09] welcome [06:09] mako: oh, thanks :) [06:10] congrats lfittl ;) [06:10] congrats, lfittl ;) [06:10] gah :-D [06:10] congrats lfittl [06:10] thanks :D [06:10] mako, heh, you must have done that in the last 10 minutes, I just checked them ;) [06:10] lfittl!! You are hiding from me? ;-) [06:10] bddebian: no, just had a lot to do ;) [06:10] i wanted to talk to sharms about one thing before i noted it in launchpad but everyone else has been noted [06:11] i havent seen sharms around since the issue [06:12] hi all [06:12] sorry, horrible connection here [06:12] hi [06:12] Hello sabdfl [06:12] sabdfl: hi [06:12] Hi Mark. [06:12] hi [06:12] Hello sabdfl. So... will we start? [06:12] apologies for being late [06:13] hi [06:13] sabdfl: hi [06:13] and i'm likely to drop off unexpectedly, if i go quiet, that's what's potting [06:13] hello sabdfl .. and hello everyone [06:13] who's here from the CC? [06:13] sabdfl, fschoep is on a time limit -- it may be useful to start with his agenda item [06:13] sabdfl, elmo, mako and yourself [06:13] Seveas: only if it's appropriate [06:14] i also can't see https pages (ff2 bug:-)) so... what's on the agenda? [06:14] mako, will you lead since i'm on the end of a damp straw? [06:14] sabdfl, msg me I'll paste it back to you === lfittl_ [n=lfittl@85-125-147-132.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:14] yes, taht's fine [06:14] sabdfl, http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/CommunityCouncilAgenda [06:15] alright, it's fine with me if we start with the artwork items [06:15] I quickly c-p'ed it to an non-https wiki === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:15] That's quick ;) === jono [n=jono@mail.openadvantage.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:15] fschoep: go ahead [06:15] OK, so basically I need your thoughts on the direction I drafted on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Propose/Results === cbx33 gives Seveas a gold star [06:16] sorry got stuck in a meeting [06:16] If there are volunteers to take a look and comment what's on there, that would be awesome. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-147-132.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:16] hi jono, no sweat we just started with the artwork item on the agenda [06:16] Then we've got cbx33 who's doing a good job on coming up with new soundscapes for Ubuntu sounds. [06:16] Seveas, can i use that wiki to paste my UbuntuSounds page? [06:16] I only have ten mins then I need to run [06:17] cbx33, sure [06:17] He posted examples and ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds, I'd like to ask if someone could post feedback on that, too. [06:17] http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/UbuntuSounds - for sabdfl [06:17] fschoep, usplash may need to display text (fsck progress) [06:17] fschoep: ok, looks great.. what in particular sort of feedback are you looking for? [06:18] Well, kind of looking for approval from "higher up" so we don't need to revert decisions later on. [06:18] If there's anything that looks out-of-line with Ubuntu I'd rather hear it now. [06:19] i thought we were working on getting away from the brown for edgy? [06:19] mako, if any of the sounds presented are along the right lines, I can refine and start to create the other sounds needed? [06:19] On the sounds, it'd be nice if some volunteers could listen to cbx33's work and comment on the level of professionalism and direction of the samples. [06:19] cbx33, is there a technical reason not to port and use those sounds as ogg? [06:19] ompaul, there is a historical reason [06:19] regarding the sound : I haven't listened to the samples yet but I like the drums you hear in the login screen we have currently [06:19] the circles concept is intriguing and seems ambitious.. seems like it would be very cool if it can, as the page says, live up to expectations [06:20] cbx33: doh [06:20] I can produce oggs if required [06:20] you'd better hide LaserJock [06:20] cbx33, fair enough [06:20] mako: thanks, I hope we can have some concrete work to show off soon. [06:20] gnomefreak: human stays the default theme, but we have different teams working on alternate themes [06:21] gnomefreak: long story, for now we're still using brown, I hope that doesn't disappoint you. [06:21] the best, if they are professional, will be included as alternates [06:21] fschoep: no not at all [06:21] and in time, they may become the default, replacing Human [06:21] Also, as Mark states, we've got Theme Teams working on different ideas. [06:21] fschoep, can I sugges the bootup sound is shorter, when compared to windows, it drags on a little [06:21] fschoep: i like brown [06:21] jono, it was suggested it lasted the entire gnome startup....as a way to make us more distinctive to win/mac? [06:21] jono: sounds fair, what length are you thinking of? [06:21] fschoep: can you tell us how the teamwork is... working? [06:21] but I'm open to suggestions [06:22] CC is mostly interested in having a strong and constructive community === MitchM [n=mitch@bouncer.kci.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:22] sabdfl: the teamwork withing the art-team or the separate Theme Teams? [06:22] anything you need in terms of help on that front? [06:22] fschoep: both [06:22] fschoep, something a little snappier, ~5 - 7 secs I was thinking [06:22] we agreed a structure in Paris, is that working out OK? [06:22] i know the CC needs to appoint the arts-council [06:22] about the sounds: I like sample 4 [06:22] Right now I'd need some kind of official approval to start producing in the direction drafted. [06:22] jono: agreed [06:23] jono: about the length of the sound [06:23] mako, jono, noted ! [06:23] I would be interested to sit down with the sounds team to have a discussion about it [06:23] The Theme Teams are all one-man armies right now, but they're managing fine. We could use some tutorials on Metacity and GTk themeing though. [06:23] The art team has been working very focused the past months and once we get an official stamp I'm sure we'll produce some amazing artwork. [06:24] fschoep, i recently gave someone from your team a link to a meatcity howto [06:24] it would be good to look at ways to collaborate at a theme level as well as an artistic level [06:24] cbx33, they seem to have a very sharp ending as if they were cut off in their prime, I am no musician but I know I would rather more fade out :) [06:24] ogra: sounds good, could you send it to frank@ffnn.nl as well perhaps :) ? [06:24] fschoep, for your link collection: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html [06:24] ;) [06:24] fschoep, I am amazed at the rate of professionalization the art team showed over the past months [06:24] ompaul, noted ! [06:25] Seveas: thanks. We kind of grinded to a halt a week ago because I'm the bottleneck right now. [06:25] yes, very much thanks to troy_s and fschoep [06:25] fschoep: WRT the artwork, so my own only concern is that all the curves and circles in the context of a much glossier team has a very different meaning [06:25] right, sorry guys, I have to run to another OpenAdvantage meeting [06:25] ciao jono [06:25] cheers jono [06:25] jono: see you! [06:25] do get in touch with me if I can help with anything in the interim, I will be back later [06:26] fschoep: it starts seeming more about aerodynamic machines, speed, etc than about humans and accessibility [06:26] It does? I didn't look at it that way. [06:26] Maybe I'm not following you? [06:26] just my $0.02 [06:27] Okay I listened to them all. I liked the last one best. IMHO it should be a little more african and a little less christmasy [06:27] I'm interested in discussing that, shall we do that via e-mail later on? [06:27] ubuntu_demon: can you Wiki your comments? [06:27] that last comment was regarding the sound samples [06:27] fschoep: I will [06:27] Thanks! [06:27] fschoep: no problem :) === sabdfl can't [06:27] sabdfl, a mail would be cool - petesavage@ubuntu.com === sabdfl can't see the site at all wit this connection [06:28] sabdfl: yikes :) [06:28] Also, would the technical board meeting be a good place to discuss these matters, too? [06:28] but great to have someone tackling sound too [06:28] sabdfl, did you get my http version? [06:28] http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/UbuntuSounds [06:28] i haven't listened to enough of the sounds to have formed a real opinion [06:29] fschoep: but the work looks great [06:29] mako: Thanks again :) [06:29] firefox crashes here upon clicking the sound files [06:29] fschoep: i'd say that the more people you can show this to before the fact, the better [06:29] Indeed, that's basically why you're seeing me here right now. [06:29] fschoep: although keep in mind that not everybody will or needs to love it [06:29] gnomefreak: lol, here also [06:29] ok, let's keep goin. thanks fschoep, for the update and the great work [06:30] fschoep maybe get some forum input ? I can set up a sticky or something === mako nods [06:30] ubuntu_demon: yes, that might be a great idea [06:30] ubuntu_demon: can you do that over a short period of time? Like the coming three days? [06:30] fschoep: ofcourse [06:30] Good idea I reckon. [06:30] i'm going to quit here and try to get to a better connection [06:30] sorry folks [06:30] fschoep: will discuss the details later [06:30] sabdfl: thanks [06:30] thanks sabdfl [06:30] sabdfl, good luck! [06:30] hope you make it back sabdfl [06:31] ok [06:31] well lets handle other issues [06:31] In the mean time we can do locoteams [06:31] that's right [06:31] Thanks for your time everyone, I think I'll be going now (can use all the time right now). [06:31] we still have a number of general agenda items as well [06:31] and should probably try to pick up the pace a little bit [06:31] because the agenda is long [06:32] yeah, but irc was postponed especially to hear sabdfls opinion [06:32] is mahangu here? [06:32] no [06:32] ok.. [06:32] his other nickname, lastnode is missing too [06:32] sriramadas? [06:32] amachu [06:32] nope, nothing from /whois === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:33] moving on [06:33] russell john? [06:33] ekushey [06:33] neither [06:33] Ivan Cherevko? [06:33] man :) [06:34] ronald odero? [06:34] at this rate, maybe the agenda isn't so long [06:34] hehe [06:34] yeah, we just went thtough all locos [06:34] try who is here? [06:34] is there anyone from a new, un-introduced loco team? [06:34] on or off the agenda? [06:34] alright then [06:34] there is this country but I am still working on it [06:35] that leaves translation coordinator and kubuntu coordinator [06:35] right [06:35] OgMaciel: want to go? [06:35] mako, sure [06:35] oh wait [06:35] who proposed this? [06:35] hehe [06:35] carlos? === mooey [n=chris@81-178-109-103.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === carlos [n=carlos@110.Red-81-39-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:36] hi [06:36] sabdfl did [06:36] carlos: hey there [06:36] according to the history === JoeyStanford wants to express approval (and thanks) to Smurf's recent locoteam page changes to reflect the newly approved locos. [06:36] carlos: know anything about "Localisation / Translation Team Leader"? [06:36] carlos: can you give you background about the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" position? [06:37] I think Daf had that position === FunnyHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:37] and I'm not quite sure whether I should take that role now === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D83BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:38] I think we should take someone from the community [06:38] ok, can you can describe what is involved with the position? [06:38] because daf hadn't enough time to attend that position and I don't think that either danilo or I will have enough time either [06:38] mako, +1 [06:39] well, I think his main position atm would be to help us to coordinate with all teams to improve the QA problems we have atm [06:40] that would rock [06:40] that's the most common problem we get from upstream related with Ubuntu translations [06:40] would this be something that maybe the new Ubuntu Community Manager could coordinate? [06:40] getting the person I mean [06:40] it's a matter of improving Rosetta [06:40] in one side [06:41] and teach our translators also to use the infrastructure === OgMaciel nods === danilos [n=danilo@82.117.204.253] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:41] hi carlos [06:41] alright [06:41] hey mako [06:41] danilos: hey there [06:42] there is only one person that has volunteered so far [06:42] but there seems to many things still up in the air [06:42] danilos: hi, we are talking about the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" position for Ubuntu [06:42] mako: he should have a bit of experience as translator [06:43] perhaps the best thing we can do is explain what someone who was interested in this would do, and who they would talk to find out more === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:43] mako, +1 [06:43] mako: I guess danilo and I could help there [06:44] carlos: ah, ok, I'd be glad to help with the choice and describing what should one usually do [06:44] also to know at least if we believe that he/she has enough knowledge about the problems related to l10n/i18n === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:44] mako: also, danilos shares that position in GNOME project [06:44] yeah, I'm sure I can give a couple of hints here and there [06:45] danilos, carlos: then maybe it would be useful if you add a short 'job description' to the wiki page === mako nods [06:45] now, do you already have a set of desired "tasks" for such a person? [06:45] Seveas: +1 [06:45] mako, want to skip the topic and continue, since there's a lot of things up for grabs? [06:45] what's the wiki page? === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-44-2.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:46] mako, we could come back later [06:46] danilos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [06:46] alright then [06:46] i'm not sure this belongs on the CC agenda [06:46] if sabdfl feels strongly that it does, i'd love to hear why [06:46] in any case [06:46] it's a start -- we could easily put it somewhere else [06:46] right [06:46] Seveas: ok. We will try to have a meeting this week about that and prepare something [06:46] danilos: is that ok for you? [06:46] danilos, carlos: thanks for filling in the blanks [06:47] OgMaciel: and thanks for volunteering [06:47] carlos: sure, sounds fine [06:47] what about the kubuntu community coordinator? [06:47] mako: you are welcome [06:47] mako, my pleasure... and am still extremelly interested [06:47] mako: that's my item [06:47] danilos, OgMaciel: you two should probably coordinate [06:47] mako, will do [06:47] Riddell: run with it :) [06:47] Og is doing a very great work at Ubuntu Brazilian Portuguese Translators [06:47] Riddell, care to elaborate a bit? Wouldn't it be part of Jono's job? [06:47] mako: np, OgMaciel, feel free to ping me on IRC as "danilos" whenever you wish [06:48] danilos, how about now? ;) [06:48] thanks AndreNoel ;) [06:48] mako: myself and the kubuntu developers want to entitle Hobssee as Kubuntu Community Coordinator... [06:48] she has a lot of ideas and is doing a good amount of organising and bringing people into kubuntu so we want to empower her to do that more [06:48] OgMaciel: well, if it's not for too long, and I'd like to think about all of that first (they just got me into it, and I haven't even read the wiki page): sometimes during the week sounds better [06:48] Riddell: "empower" how? [06:49] it's not paticularly related to jono [06:49] Riddell: how not? [06:49] danilos, carlos here's some baxkground info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OgMaciel... let me know when it's a good time for you [06:49] what would be involved? listing Hobbsee as a point of contact for people wishing to get involved seems like a reasonable thing to do [06:49] OgMaciel: sure, thanks [06:50] elmo: by giving her our appoval to tell people how best to contribute to kubuntu [06:50] OgMaciel: thanks a lot; do you also hang around #ubuntu channels occasionally? [06:50] elmo: because I hope jono will be doing his stuff for kubuntu too :) [06:50] dAndy_, occasionaly... I spend most of my time at the brazilin channels ;) === mako nods to mdz [06:50] mdz: yes, that's about right [06:51] Riddell: to what extend does she do that already? === byen [n=byen@69.245.112.247] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === byen [n=byen@69.245.112.247] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:51] mako: a fairly large extent, but she feels nervous to tell people what to do unless she knows she's backed by the kubuntu developers [06:52] well, you have no objections from me :) [06:52] she got me started learning merges and kubuntu related bugs [06:52] and if you've brought it here, i assume that means there are no objections from you either [06:53] the kubuntu council are happy with it, I'm just after a nod of approval from here and we'll let her run with it for a few months to see what she achieves [06:53] I am very impressed by the fact that Riddell came here to appoint someone he trusts [06:53] well, it sounds great to me [06:53] rocking [06:53] that shows good management skills to me [06:53] thanks [06:54] elmo? [06:54] sabdfl might appear again soon as well [06:54] we'll see [06:54] he's enroute to the office [06:54] anyway, eh, ok by me I guess [06:55] so we've run out of items for now I guess -- should we take a break? === birula [n=birula@201.78.35.127] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:56] I have to head to a meeting but let me add a +1 for carthik for membership before I go :-) [06:56] Seveas, I'd like a word with you if we do take a break [06:56] thanks bddebian [06:56] OgMaciel, sure [06:56] elmo, is there an eta? if so maybe we should take that many minutes less 5 [06:56] ompaul: he's just sat down [06:56] elmo, short break :) [06:56] lol [06:57] alright then [06:57] is there any other business before we move on to new member candidates? [06:57] mako, you decided if you're coming down next week? [06:57] OgMaciel: i just sent you an email about it [06:57] oh [06:57] ;) === alenitchev [n=dmitri@213.219.212.158] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:58] nothing on the agenda -- maybe someone has an impromptu item? [06:58] OgMaciel , mako do you talk about ubucon ? [06:58] we have not talked about ubucon [06:58] Seveas: I have something [06:58] Seveas, I do have a topic [06:59] ubuntu_demon, well give it a shot -- sabdfl is not here yet [06:59] ubuntu_demon: goa head === OgMaciel taking a quick bio break ;) [07:00] Only a small question : I wanted to know whether it makes sense to sponsor some forum staff members to ubucon or to UDSWiesbaden. (I know Mark wants some of us attending some Ubuntu conventions) [07:00] ok, so unfortunately sabdfl can't make this meeting, he's run out of time [07:00] :( [07:00] aww [07:00] :( [07:00] So will member candidates have to wait for his approval later on? [07:01] ubuntu_demon: you'll have to talk to folks at canonical about that but i thin kthat some of these meetings do not have any funded travel [07:01] ubuntu_demon: so it's less likely [07:01] I thought so [07:01] ubuntu_demon: canonical's not involved in ubucon at all, so that's unlikely (tho I can't/don't speak for Canonical) [07:01] one of the reasons I asked was that IMHO it would be good to have Ryan talking IRL with you / Mark [07:02] ubuntu_demon: when mark was talking about funding travel to conferences, i think he was he speaking specifically of ubuntu developer summits [07:02] ubuntu_demon: i will not be at ubucon [07:02] i don't know if mark will be [07:02] in any case [07:03] mako: okay clear. Can you contact Ryan regarding the forum guidelines draft ? [07:03] ubuntu_demon: yes [07:03] mako : thank you very much [07:03] Ryan was here a while ago... [07:03] yep he was here [07:04] I guess he run out of time. He's a busy guy :) [07:04] alright [07:04] mako, what to do now - postpone the rest? [07:04] he told me he hadn't very much time tonight [07:04] Seveas: elmo and i are talkinga bout that [07:04] Seveas, I have a topic [07:04] mako, ok === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:04] OgMaciel, ok, shoot [07:04] ok [07:05] ok, i think we're going to need to postpone until next week [07:05] because we are not quorate [07:05] mako, we could at least hear OgMaciel out ;) [07:05] ;) [07:05] oh that's fine [07:05] ok [07:05] we can continue on other business [07:05] but in terms of new member candidtes [07:06] colin will not be back until next week [07:06] and it's unlikely that if even if we approve without voting this week, people won't get approved until he returns anyway [07:06] mako, elmo I would like to create a Canonical "backed" community council for the Brazilian team [07:06] and then be busy at the distro sprint .. [07:06] ogra: hmm [07:06] OgMaciel: eh - how do you mean Canonical backed? [07:07] elmo, we currently have a situation [07:07] OgMaciel, shouldn't that be 'community council' backed? [07:07] Thanks folks, next week, then. [07:07] i think he means CC backed === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [07:07] elmo, where all control is under one person [07:07] yes, CC-backed [07:07] this has caused trouble [07:07] quite a lot actually [07:08] OgMaciel: how many active participants in the br-loco community are there? [07:08] OgMaciel +1 === jenda remarks that it could be useful in other places too. We have separationists as well, and they refuse the CC. In some cases, it could be a problem. [07:08] OgMaciel: +1 [07:08] OgMaciel: +1 === jenda = Czech LoCo [07:08] in order to avoid further confusion, I think a CC-appointed group would solve the problem === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:08] mako, I'd say actively about 30 [07:09] OgMaciel: how big of a decision-making team are you suggesting? [07:09] mako, that includes doc team [07:09] sure [07:09] mako, about 7 [07:09] mako, made up of different divisions [07:09] mako, doc, trans, data miners, forum [07:09] a true council [07:09] with shared obligations [07:09] and decisions [07:10] but if we choose the members, it would cause trouble [07:10] people's egos would get in the way [07:10] who is we? [07:10] mako, the people who work day in, day out [07:10] me for instance [07:10] OgMaciel: this is the way, very good the proposal ;) [07:11] thanks alenitchev [07:11] AlexRocha, [07:11] it puts the CC in a difficult position because, unlike those people, we're not particularly familiar with the current team [07:11] AlexRocha, sorry... tab completion [07:11] mako, true [07:11] how would you propose things move forward? [07:11] well.. i think this is a one-sided version of the story.. but i dont think this is the place to discuss it [07:11] mako, we could get some people to step up [07:11] So - no membership proposals today? === jenda has gotta run if they ain't [07:12] jenda: not likelu [07:12] likely [07:12] OK, lator then. [07:12] jenda, ciao [07:12] jenda: bye [07:12] jenda, that is the case hour:05 [07:12] we might do introductions of people that cannot come to a meeting next week [07:13] jenda: bye [07:13] mako: That would be handy ... it's unlikely I could make a meeting next week === svaksha can get some shuteye if there is no meeting for now [07:13] Meyer, I think it is -- some other teams (forums and irc) also have a CC backed solution for a dispute resolution team [07:13] Seveas, +1 [07:13] hi [07:13] Meyer, and you can't deny that the .br team has a dispute to solve [07:13] would be handy... /me gets his support stick ready. [07:14] Meyer: there's no sides to be taking here [07:14] no.. that i can't.. but it seems to me as a personal agenda of his.. [07:14] Seveas, it is because of these disputes that I am asking the CC to step in [07:14] Meyer: there are at least some people who feel that the current process is both problematic and undemocratic [07:14] Meyer: that's the problem [07:14] Meyer, it is on the personal agenda of everyone involved [07:14] if he wants to go this way, we'd gladly resign.. [07:14] Meyer: the problem is not that it *is* undemocratic or *is* problematic [07:14] Meyer: but that it appears that way that people [07:15] why wouldn't problems be brought to the CC? Isn't that one of it's purposes? [07:15] LaserJock, +1 [07:15] LaserJock, it is [07:16] i have no problem at all taking this to the CC.. just think everything could have been solved by talking it out === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [07:16] ++ [07:16] Meyer, great idea, please do so [07:16] i've tried [07:16] these ppl talk one way to us.. and another to the community's public [07:17] discuss in public ? [07:17] also tried [07:17] alright [07:17] well, that should have solved the above at least, no ? [07:17] this isn't going anywhere [07:17] since they want it so much, i'm offering my position [07:17] and i think licio and segfault too.. but i cannot speak for them [07:18] if there are specific issues or disputes, the CC would be happy to consider them === Express [n=chris__3@dyn-83-156-75-139.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:18] Meyer, OgMaciel: we're talking about an 'abstract' problem -- I know quite a bit about it already but others don't. Maybe you both could write down your sides of the story [07:18] mako, just FYI, nobody asked no one to "resign" [07:18] Seveas, sure thing [07:18] well there are at least two issues [07:18] how about preparing a summary (two summaries to see both sides) on the wiki for next meeting [07:19] there are concerns about the nature of the leadership team on the brazilian loco [07:19] the root of all problem is that ogmaciel is trying to be the brazilian team leader [07:19] namely that there are a few people who are not particularly active or responsive any more [07:19] ogra, I could try to attend the next meeting [07:19] which is acctually meyer === Express [n=chris__3@dyn-83-156-75-139.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:19] segfault, I am asking for a council [07:19] segfault, no single leader [07:19] dunno what to do in this situation [07:19] a council of your trusted people [07:19] Meyer, I asked the CC to appoint [07:20] Meyer: he certainly hasn't asked me that [07:20] he has asked that to us... [07:20] well, that's not really material here [07:20] mako, Seveas elmo ogra this is very important to solve as quick and smooth as possible [07:20] segfault, has seen it === Express [n=chris__3@dyn-83-156-75-139.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:20] Meyer, please don't make up stuff about it [07:20] mako, +1 [07:21] Meyer: we're not going to make any decision based on private emails that OgMaciel has sent you [07:21] mako, which I didn't btw [07:21] they were sent to a hole bunch of ppl.. including segfault [07:22] yup. [07:22] mako, I have suggested that we include the active people [07:22] mako, some of them are here present [07:22] mako, it makes sense to me that a council be made of people who are present in the community [07:22] well, none mails i've sent to meyer or segfault was answered when i came in the community... i think that a council would be more participative... and more helpful [07:22] mako, I cannot help that I work with them every day [07:23] what about appointing an outside group to act as CC for the br team that way its general not a sided [07:23] gnomefreak, that could work [07:23] alright [07:23] this isn't going anywhere [07:24] yup [07:24] afraid so [07:24] OgMaciel: you seem to be asking that the currently leadership team for the brazilian loco be dissolved and that a new be created [07:24] mako, the problem is that there is none [07:24] as, that there is no leadership team at the moment [07:25] why not joining with the actual leadership? [07:25] i guess Meyer is the actual leader [07:25] Chicago Loco has 30+ active, with a 100+ interested and helping out when possible. We don't do a "leadership" type of thing, as everyone is a leader of "their" project. I think this has created an amazing environment for the Chicago team, but I don't know if it works with others, we just got lucky maybe ;) [07:25] and we are all working on creating patches for bug #1 ;) [07:25] Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [07:25] oops [07:26] OgMaciel: alright, write up a proposal for a leadership team [07:26] have it explain the shortcomings of not having one and the benefits of having one [07:26] mako, I could do that [07:27] Meyer, segfault: it sounds like part of the problem is that certain tasks are very centralized [07:27] right now [07:27] mako, +1 [07:27] not at all.. each part of the community does what it can... [07:27] OgMaciel, wants it all [07:28] Meyer, once again... pay attention... I am asking for the creation of a council [07:28] sounds that og is like darth vader [07:28] he wants to centralize it. :-) [07:28] AndreNoel: :P [07:29] segfault, Meyer: well, there is zero chance of that happening through the CC [07:29] og is not that monster [07:29] segfault, centralize it around a council... yes [07:29] some time ago i was absent because of personal problems, and recently i gave him the ownership of i18n team [07:29] but i dunno why he wants to take meyer position [07:30] what is meyer's position, you both just said things were completely decentralized? [07:30] segfault, I don't think 'owning' is the correct word and he doesn't seem to want to take meyers position... [07:30] segfault, it is all explained here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OgMaciel [07:30] Seveas, thanks [07:30] i'm doing infrastructure and events mostly [07:30] segfault, you were absent for 8 months and I asked you to step down [07:30] Meyer: are you opposed to sharing those responsibilities [07:31] nope [07:31] hahaha 8 months!? what a lier [07:31] segfault, also has infrastructure admin access [07:31] segfault, please don't use these terms... we're talking here [07:31] there are other ppl doing events too [07:31] AndreNoel, would you tell people how often you've seen segfault ? [07:31] AlexRocha, you too [07:32] well, not answer my mail yet... [07:32] ok, are you opposed to sharing those responsibilities with people who might not completely take your side during this argument? [07:32] OgMaciel, segfault has been missing since april.. that's when his kid was born [07:32] OgMaciel, segfault, Meyer (and al others): please don't do personal attacks in here [07:32] mako, not at all.. [07:32] i'm really disappointed with you Ogmaciel, i've never imagined that you could speak this way [07:32] mako, anyhow, this is getting personal... I will write what you've asked me and get back to the CC [07:33] since i helped you in the beginning, and introduced you to the ubuntu community [07:33] its really sad [07:33] I apologized to everyone who had to witness this [07:33] Meyer,segfault: do you think that executive council for you team would be a bad thing? [07:34] mako: i see no problem with that, never had [07:34] there is one.. the thing is that Og feels bad cause he doesn't have majority [07:34] segfault: ok [07:34] so he tries to sabotage it [07:34] segfault, Meyer, OgMaciel: again, please calm down. === JoeyStanford notes that this conversation violates the Code of Conduct. [07:35] personal attacks won't take you anywere [07:35] JoeyStanford, +1 [07:35] JoeyStanford: +1 [07:35] people are clearly very upset [07:35] JoeyStanford: :1 [07:35] +1 [07:35] my basic position is that i'm not opposed to a council [07:35] Might I suggest this be tabled and sorted out off line. [07:35] but i don't wnat it to be created because of interpersonal politics [07:36] mako, +1 [07:36] I'm leaving. If anyone needs me try contacting me on irc or PM'ing me on the forums. Bye! [07:36] you all need to think real hard about what sort of system you'd want for hte team [07:36] ubuntu_demon: cool [07:36] mako, i alerady said it.. i'm willing to resign if you guys feels its for the best === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [07:36] Meyer: i don't know enough about the situation to have opinion either way [07:37] we created the council based on the same system as the CC... [07:37] I'd say both sides expose your points on some wiki page, and agree on a meeting (with external invitees) later this week [07:37] a group of members (basically @u.c) tha voted for it.. [07:38] this is a problem the br-loco-team should learn to handle by itself [07:38] rodarvus, the problem is that we have reached a stand off [07:38] you're going to need to describe teh current problem [07:38] rodarvus, it's the first locoteam to come to the CC so might be a good experience for the council too [07:38] rodarvus, and in order to preserve the community I am asking the CC to step in [07:39] OgMaciel: you're asking in a slightly bizarre way [07:39] Seveas, good point [07:39] como esse cara chato. [07:39] there are two many issues being conflated together here [07:39] segfault: talk it in english [07:39] if there are specific unresolved problems with the team and an actionable step that can be taken to resolve them, that's fine [07:40] if there are structural problems that can be remedied, tat's fine too [07:40] but we have both of those issues and much more [07:40] and it's basically degenerating into personal attacks [07:41] mako, the issues can be summed up in the following... I believe a brazilian made CC would be appropriate and resolve some issues [07:41] we don't need a high level summary [07:41] we need specific actionable proposals with specific, well defined, problems [07:41] mako, and it is too bad that some of the people who agree with me and are here cannot express themselves in english [07:41] the problem is that it's not even clear what the disagreement is [07:41] (Eu penso que este necessita ser discutido em outra parte. Eu no penso que este tpico deve ser discutido aqui. H uns muitos da emoo com este tpico.) [07:41] what is clear is the personal problems [07:42] yup, we can move on [07:42] OgMaciel I [07:42] let's write down the problems and take it to another meeting === mako nods to segfault [07:42] alright [07:42] mako, I will accept what the CC decides to do next [07:42] so we are not quorate so we're going to have to postpone until next tuesday 16UTC [07:42] exposing the problems and its possible solutions, we've taken too much time here [07:43] JoeyStanford, thanks for the feedback [07:43] mako, you sure sabdfl and elmo will make it? [07:43] mako: Is there any way to introduce myself, in prep for membership consideration? [07:43] kamion and elmo will make it [07:43] ok [07:43] maybe mark [07:43] matthewrevell, next week ;) [07:43] if there is anybody that definitely cannot make it next week [07:43] Seveas: Yeah, getting to this meeting was difficult enough... [07:43] speak up now [07:43] mako: me:) [07:44] JoeyStanford, se no for discutido aqui, no ser resolvido por fora :( [07:44] Og: welcome. [07:44] you may end up having to come back again in the future [07:44] tuesday at 1600? [07:44] 1600UTC [07:44] k [07:44] and it may make things slower, to go today === OgMaciel may not be able to attend next Tuesday [07:44] that's fine [07:44] it will ONLY be for membership applications [07:44] cool [07:44] a 1h meeting [07:44] alright matthewrevell go ahead [07:45] mako, ok, I updated the agenda [07:45] mako: thank you :) [07:45] I've promoted Ubuntu on LugRadio and at LugRadio Live. We've also provided a platform for Ubuntu to reach the wider community. [07:45] I've been at the core of the Marketing Team's renewal and a regular contributor to the new Fridge. I look forward to Ubuntu as the world's favourite operating system, because it's excellent software and it spreads freedom! [07:45] That's my, slightly long, intro. [07:46] sounds good === ompaul cheers for matthewrevell [07:46] mako: mdke said he'd mailed in a +1 for me. [07:46] ompaul: thanks :) [07:46] +1 for matthewrevell [07:46] \o/ for matthewrevell from me, module the not too long direct ivolvement. I have no doubt though that the involvement will continue [07:46] i appreciate your work on the fridge [07:46] mako: matthewrevell has and is doing a lot for the "advocational" side of the community. he is an outstanding candidate for membership, as i enjoy working along side with him on a daily basis! [07:46] matthewrevell: how long have you been directly involved? === eyequeue notes matthewrevell also added that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewRevell and applauds [07:47] mako: In the community directly? Since June. === Seveas was mistaken then [07:47] I thought it was later ;) [07:47] Seveas: slow burner :) [07:47] +1 for Matthew Revell [07:48] matthewrevell: great, sounds good :) [07:48] thanks for showing up and sitting through this [07:48] mako, he is rather active, to put it very politely === JoeyStanford laughs. [07:48] right, we look for significant and sustained contributions [07:48] i don't think there's any argument about the significant part [07:48] i like to see folks around for a couple months personallly as well [07:48] so it seems you've snuck under the wire :) [07:49] mako: I waited especially :) [07:49] i think he has been around longer then june honestly [07:50] ive seen him before june but i didnt notice how active he was [07:50] matthewrevell, which one are you on http://www.tecspy.com/loveslugradio/ellr04.jpg? [07:50] Seveas: oof, top frame, next to jono [07:51] alright then [07:51] mako, by next week it will be sustained his first post that I noted was: 26/06/06 15:25 however I was kind of surprised when I got it as he had been in irc for Jun 09 12:55:05 * matthewrevell (i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org) has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:52] Ah, are we talking about matthewrevell? :) [07:52] alright sounds goods === matthewrevell nods === Seveas has to go -- fiancee is calling [07:53] matthewrevell: you should wait for approval by elmo, kamion, or sabdfl [07:53] see you all next week [07:53] and that's the end of the meeting :) [07:53] mako: thanks [07:53] great [07:53] Seveas: bye [07:53] matthewrevell: thanks for showing up [07:53] He is a priceless asset in my opinion - experience and skills many times proved, devotion repeatedly observed. [07:53] mako: thanks for the approval today, greatly appreciated ;) [07:53] jenda: Cheers :) === mako nod to nixternal [07:54] gratz, nixternal. Welcome to the team, officially and all stamps down === jenda finally leaves for good [07:54] muhahah...i mean oh thanks [07:55] right, I must go and finish a report. THanks all. 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