[02:34] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 15 Aug 02:00: Community Council | 16 Aug 06:00: Technical Board | 17 Aug 06:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:34] <Hobbsee> 3 and a half hours.  hmmm.
[02:35] <zul> @schedule montreal
[02:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 14 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:48] <licio> @schedule brazil
[02:49] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 14 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:49] <licio> \o/
[03:34] <poningru> @schedule tampa
[03:34] <poningru> @schedule miami
[03:34] <poningru> @schedule Atlanta
[03:34] <poningru> ...
[03:34] <zul> try new york
[03:34] <poningru> @schedule New York
[03:34] <poningru> true
[03:34] <poningru> rofl
[03:35] <poningru> @schedule New York City
[03:36] <licio> http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/timezones.html
[03:37] <poningru> @schedule Eastern
[03:37] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 14 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:37] <licio> \o/
[03:37] <poningru> still lame ...
[03:37] <poningru> I mean no Miami?? no Atlanta??
[04:05] <cbx33> @schedule
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Aug 16:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:02] <cbx33> @schedule
[05:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Aug 16:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:08] <ogra> cbx33, and ? did it change in the last hour ?  :)
[05:08] <cbx33> heh, i got timezone confusion sickness
[05:09] <ogra> :)
[05:09] <cbx33> thought the meeting was now
[05:09] <ogra> 1h
[05:09] <cbx33> yes I can see that
[05:09] <cbx33> making me out to look stupid :p
[05:10] <Seveas> cbx33, try @now
[05:10] <Seveas> @now
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 14 2006, 15:10:32 - Next meeting: Community Council in 49 minutes
[05:10] <cbx33> @now
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 14 2006, 15:10:38 - Next meeting: Community Council in 49 minutes
[05:10] <cbx33> thank you Seveas 
[05:12] <nalioth> cbx33: you can also click on the meeting time at wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:31] <matthewrevell> @now
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 14 2006, 15:31:56 - Next meeting: Community Council in 28 minutes
[05:44] <licio> segfault, hi dude
[05:44] <Meyer> :P
[05:48] <segfault> meyer: hello!
[05:49] <licio> :(
[05:49] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[05:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 14 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 15 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 16 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:59] <Seveas> hrm... editing the CC agenda caused X to chew much cpu power..
[06:01] <cbx33> hi fschoep 
[06:01] <fschoep> Hello Pete.
[06:02] <fschoep> Has the meeting started yet?
[06:02] <jenda> nope
[06:02] <tseliot> let's wait
[06:03] <Seveas> mako, elmo: who will be joining us today? sabdfl or kamion?
[06:03] <mako> i hope so
[06:04] <elmo> sabdfl should be
[06:04] <ubuntu_demon> hi all
[06:04] <elmo> kamion won't, he's on holiday
[06:04] <tseliot> hi
[06:04] <gnomefreak> isnt Kamion still on vacation?
[06:04] <fschoep> I think he is, yes.
[06:04] <Seveas> yeah, that would make it hard for him to join ;)
[06:04] <ubuntu_demon> How's everyone doing ? :)
[06:04] <ompaul> Seveas, ssh is your friend
[06:04] <Seveas> ompaul, I wouldn't be joining on a holiday, ssh or not
[06:05] <segfault> licio: hi
[06:05] <elmo> sabdfl is trying to join but having network problems
[06:06] <ogra> Seveas, Kamion is gone to some irish island where even phone lines are rare ...he wont e able to join, even if he wanted ;)
[06:07] <cbx33> hahah
[06:07] <gnomefreak> now thats getting away
[06:08] <cbx33> I don;t think I could be without the net
[06:08] <Seveas> kirjanov, matthewrevell, carthik, lloydinho, svaksha, tseliot: please prepare your 3-line intro so you can paste it when requested
[06:08] <ompaul> ogra, there is more than one such island, however one of them got wireless broadband a month ago :) it was close enough to land for line of sight to work :)
[06:08] <carthik> sure Seveas 
[06:08] <matthewrevell> Seveas: Ready to go :)
[06:08] <ogra> ompaul, i dounbt he has any computers with him ;)
[06:08] <ogra> *doubt
[06:09] <lfittl> Seveas: what about the people that have not yet been approved/declined by mako? should they also prepare their intro again?
[06:09] <Seveas> lfittl, good question -- I'll leave it up to mako to answer it ;)
[06:09] <mako> sabdfl: welcome
[06:09] <Seveas> hi sabdfl !
[06:09] <mako> lfittl: you've already been approved in launchpad
[06:09] <ubuntu_demon> Hi sabdfl
[06:09] <gnomefreak> hi sabdfl 
[06:09] <mako> lfittl: sorry for not sending an email
[06:09] <tseliot> welcome
[06:09] <lfittl> mako: oh, thanks :)
[06:10] <OgMaciel> congrats lfittl ;)
[06:10] <jenda> congrats, lfittl ;)
[06:10] <jenda> gah :-D
[06:10] <gnomefreak> congrats lfittl 
[06:10] <lfittl> thanks :D
[06:10] <Seveas> mako, heh, you must have done that in the last 10 minutes, I just checked them ;)
[06:10] <bddebian> lfittl!!  You are hiding from me? ;-)
[06:10] <lfittl> bddebian: no, just had a lot to do ;)
[06:10] <mako> i wanted to talk to sharms about one thing before i noted it in launchpad but everyone else has been noted
[06:11] <gnomefreak> i havent seen sharms around since the issue
[06:12] <sabdfl> hi all
[06:12] <sabdfl> sorry, horrible connection here
[06:12] <AndreNoel> hi
[06:12] <bddebian> Hello sabdfl
[06:12] <matthewrevell> sabdfl: hi
[06:12] <fschoep> Hi Mark.
[06:12] <tseliot> hi
[06:12] <jenda> Hello sabdfl. So... will we start?
[06:12] <sabdfl> apologies for being late
[06:13] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[06:13] <svaksha> sabdfl: hi
[06:13] <sabdfl> and i'm likely to drop off unexpectedly, if i go quiet, that's what's potting
[06:13] <byen> hello sabdfl .. and hello everyone
[06:13] <sabdfl> who's here from the CC?
[06:13] <Seveas> sabdfl, fschoep is on a time limit -- it may be useful to start with his agenda item
[06:13] <Seveas> sabdfl, elmo, mako and yourself
[06:13] <fschoep> Seveas: only if it's appropriate
[06:14] <sabdfl> i also can't see https pages (ff2 bug:-)) so... what's on the agenda?
[06:14] <sabdfl> mako, will you lead since i'm on the end of a damp straw?
[06:14] <ompaul> sabdfl, msg me I'll paste it back to you 
[06:14] <mako> yes, taht's fine
[06:14] <Seveas> sabdfl, http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[06:15] <mako> alright, it's fine with me if we start with the artwork items
[06:15] <Seveas> I quickly c-p'ed it to an non-https wiki 
[06:15] <ubuntu_demon> That's quick ;)
[06:15] <mako> fschoep: go ahead
[06:15] <fschoep> OK, so basically I need your thoughts on the direction I drafted on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Propose/Results
[06:16] <jono> sorry got stuck in a meeting
[06:16] <fschoep> If there are volunteers to take a look and comment what's on there, that would be awesome.
[06:16] <Seveas> hi jono, no sweat we just started with the artwork item on the agenda
[06:16] <fschoep> Then we've got cbx33 who's doing a good job on coming up with new soundscapes for Ubuntu sounds.
[06:16] <cbx33> Seveas, can i use that wiki to paste my UbuntuSounds page?
[06:16] <jono> I only have ten mins then I need to run
[06:17] <Seveas> cbx33, sure
[06:17] <fschoep> He posted examples and ideas on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSounds, I'd like to ask if someone could post feedback on that, too.
[06:17] <cbx33> http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/UbuntuSounds - for sabdfl 
[06:17] <Seveas> fschoep, usplash may need to display text (fsck progress)
[06:17] <mako> fschoep: ok, looks great.. what in particular sort of feedback are you looking for?
[06:18] <fschoep> Well, kind of looking for approval from "higher up" so we don't need to revert decisions later on.
[06:18] <fschoep> If there's anything that looks out-of-line with Ubuntu I'd rather hear it now.
[06:19] <gnomefreak> i thought we were working on getting away from the brown for edgy?
[06:19] <cbx33> mako, if any of the sounds presented are along the right lines, I can refine and start to create the other sounds needed?
[06:19] <fschoep> On the sounds, it'd be nice if some volunteers could listen to cbx33's work and comment on the level of professionalism and direction of the samples.
[06:19] <ompaul> cbx33, is there a technical reason not to port and use those sounds as ogg?
[06:19] <cbx33> ompaul, there is a historical reason
[06:19] <ubuntu_demon> regarding the sound : I haven't listened to the samples yet but I like the drums you hear in the login screen we have currently
[06:19] <mako> the circles concept is intriguing and seems ambitious.. seems like it would be very cool if it can, as the page says, live up to expectations
[06:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: doh
[06:20] <cbx33> I can produce oggs if required
[06:20] <cbx33> you'd better hide LaserJock 
[06:20] <ompaul> cbx33, fair enough
[06:20] <fschoep> mako: thanks, I hope we can have some concrete work to show off soon.
[06:20] <sabdfl> gnomefreak: human stays the default theme, but we have different teams working on alternate themes
[06:21] <fschoep> gnomefreak: long story, for now we're still using brown, I hope that doesn't disappoint you.
[06:21] <sabdfl> the best, if they are professional, will be included as alternates
[06:21] <gnomefreak> fschoep: no not at all
[06:21] <sabdfl> and in time, they may become the default, replacing Human
[06:21] <fschoep> Also, as Mark states, we've got Theme Teams working on different ideas.
[06:21] <jono> fschoep, can I sugges the bootup sound is shorter, when compared to windows, it drags on a little
[06:21] <AndreNoel> fschoep: i like brown
[06:21] <cbx33> jono, it was suggested it lasted the entire gnome startup....as a way to make us more distinctive to win/mac?
[06:21] <fschoep> jono: sounds fair, what length are you thinking of?
[06:21] <sabdfl> fschoep: can you tell us how the teamwork is... working?
[06:21] <cbx33> but I'm open to suggestions
[06:22] <sabdfl> CC is mostly interested in having a strong and constructive community
[06:22] <fschoep> sabdfl: the teamwork withing the art-team or the separate Theme Teams?
[06:22] <sabdfl> anything you need in terms of help on that front?
[06:22] <sabdfl> fschoep: both
[06:22] <jono> fschoep, something a little snappier, ~5 - 7 secs I was thinking
[06:22] <sabdfl> we agreed a structure in Paris, is that working out OK?
[06:22] <sabdfl> i know the CC needs to appoint the arts-council
[06:22] <tseliot> about the sounds: I like sample 4
[06:22] <fschoep> Right now I'd need some kind of official approval to start producing in the direction drafted.
[06:22] <mako> jono: agreed
[06:23] <mako> jono: about the length of the sound
[06:23] <cbx33> mako, jono, noted !
[06:23] <jono> I would be interested to sit down with the sounds team to have a discussion about it
[06:23] <fschoep> The Theme Teams are all one-man armies right now, but they're managing fine. We could use some tutorials on Metacity and GTk themeing though.
[06:23] <fschoep> The art team has been working very focused the past months and once we get an official stamp I'm sure we'll produce some amazing artwork.
[06:24] <ogra> fschoep, i recently gave someone from your team a link to a meatcity howto
[06:24] <jono> it would be good to look at ways to collaborate at a theme level as well as an artistic level
[06:24] <ompaul> cbx33,  they seem to have a very sharp ending as if they were cut off in their prime, I am no musician but I know I would rather more fade out :)
[06:24] <fschoep> ogra: sounds good, could you send it to frank@ffnn.nl as well perhaps :) ?
[06:24] <ogra> fschoep, for your link collection: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html
[06:24] <ogra> ;)
[06:24] <Seveas> fschoep, I am amazed at the rate of professionalization the art team showed over the past months
[06:24] <cbx33> ompaul, noted !
[06:25] <fschoep> Seveas: thanks. We kind of grinded to a halt a week ago because I'm the bottleneck right now.
[06:25] <sabdfl> yes, very much thanks to troy_s and fschoep
[06:25] <mako> fschoep: WRT the artwork, so my own only concern is that all the curves and circles in the context of a much glossier team has a very different meaning
[06:25] <jono> right, sorry guys, I have to run to another OpenAdvantage meeting
[06:25] <Seveas> ciao jono
[06:25] <sabdfl> cheers jono
[06:25] <fschoep> jono: see you!
[06:25] <jono> do get in touch with me if I can help with anything in the interim, I will be back later
[06:26] <mako> fschoep: it starts seeming more about aerodynamic machines, speed, etc than about humans and accessibility
[06:26] <fschoep> It does? I didn't look at it that way.
[06:26] <fschoep> Maybe I'm not following you?
[06:26] <mako> just my $0.02
[06:27] <ubuntu_demon> Okay I listened to them all. I liked the last one best. IMHO it should be a little more african and a little less christmasy
[06:27] <fschoep> I'm interested in discussing that, shall we do that via e-mail later on?
[06:27] <fschoep> ubuntu_demon: can you Wiki your comments?
[06:27] <ubuntu_demon> that last comment was regarding the sound samples
[06:27] <ubuntu_demon> fschoep: I will
[06:27] <fschoep> Thanks!
[06:27] <ubuntu_demon> fschoep: no problem :)
[06:27] <cbx33> sabdfl, a mail would be cool - petesavage@ubuntu.com
[06:28] <mako> sabdfl: yikes :)
[06:28] <fschoep> Also, would the technical board meeting be a good place to discuss these matters, too?
[06:28] <sabdfl> but great to have someone tackling sound too
[06:28] <cbx33> sabdfl, did you get my http version?
[06:28] <cbx33> http://wiki.kaarsemaker.net/UbuntuSounds
[06:28] <mako> i haven't listened to enough of the sounds to have formed a real opinion
[06:29] <mako> fschoep: but the work looks great
[06:29] <fschoep> mako: Thanks again :)
[06:29] <gnomefreak> firefox crashes here upon clicking the sound files
[06:29] <mako> fschoep: i'd say that the more people you can show this to before the fact, the better
[06:29] <fschoep> Indeed, that's basically why you're seeing me here right now.
[06:29] <mako> fschoep: although keep in mind that not everybody will or needs to love it
[06:29] <KenSentMe> gnomefreak: lol, here also
[06:29] <sabdfl> ok, let's keep goin. thanks fschoep, for the update and the great work
[06:30] <ubuntu_demon> fschoep maybe get some forum input ? I can set up a sticky or something
[06:30] <mako> ubuntu_demon: yes, that might be a great idea
[06:30] <fschoep> ubuntu_demon: can you do that over a short period of time? Like the coming three days?
[06:30] <ubuntu_demon> fschoep: ofcourse
[06:30] <fschoep> Good idea I reckon.
[06:30] <sabdfl> i'm going to quit here and try to get to a better connection
[06:30] <sabdfl> sorry folks
[06:30] <ubuntu_demon> fschoep: will discuss the details later
[06:30] <fschoep> sabdfl: thanks
[06:30] <cbx33> thanks sabdfl 
[06:30] <Seveas> sabdfl, good luck!
[06:30] <ubuntu_demon> hope you make it back sabdfl
[06:31] <mako> ok
[06:31] <mako> well lets handle other issues
[06:31] <Seveas> In the mean time we can do locoteams
[06:31] <mako> that's right
[06:31] <fschoep> Thanks for your time everyone, I think I'll be going now (can use all the time right now).
[06:31] <mako> we still have a number of general agenda items as well
[06:31] <mako> and should probably try to pick up the pace a little bit
[06:31] <mako> because the agenda is long
[06:32] <Seveas> yeah, but irc was postponed especially to hear sabdfls opinion
[06:32] <mako> is mahangu here?
[06:32] <Seveas> no
[06:32] <mako> ok.. 
[06:32] <Seveas> his other nickname, lastnode is missing too
[06:32] <mako> sriramadas?
[06:32] <Seveas> amachu
[06:32] <Seveas> nope, nothing from /whois
[06:33] <mako> moving on
[06:33] <mako> russell john?
[06:33] <Seveas> ekushey
[06:33] <Seveas> neither
[06:33] <Seveas> Ivan Cherevko?
[06:33] <mako> man :)
[06:34] <Seveas> ronald odero?
[06:34] <mako> at this rate, maybe the agenda isn't so long
[06:34] <OgMaciel> hehe
[06:34] <Seveas> yeah, we just went thtough all locos
[06:34] <gnomefreak> try who is here?
[06:34] <mako> is there anyone from a new, un-introduced loco team?
[06:34] <mako> on or off the agenda?
[06:34] <mako> alright then
[06:34] <ompaul> there is this country but I am still working on it 
[06:35] <Seveas> that leaves translation coordinator and kubuntu coordinator
[06:35] <mako> right
[06:35] <mako> OgMaciel: want to go?
[06:35] <OgMaciel> mako, sure
[06:35] <mako> oh wait
[06:35] <mako> who proposed this?
[06:35] <OgMaciel> hehe
[06:35] <Riddell> carlos?
[06:36] <carlos> hi
[06:36] <elmo> sabdfl did
[06:36] <mako> carlos: hey there
[06:36] <elmo> according to the history
[06:36] <Riddell> carlos: know anything about "Localisation / Translation Team Leader"?
[06:36] <mako> carlos: can you give you background about the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" position?
[06:37] <carlos> I think Daf had that position
[06:37] <carlos> and I'm not quite sure whether I should take that role now
[06:38] <carlos> I think we should take someone from the community
[06:38] <mako> ok, can you can describe what is involved with the position?
[06:38] <carlos> because daf hadn't enough time to attend that position and I don't think that either danilo or I will have enough time either
[06:38] <OgMaciel> mako, +1
[06:39] <carlos> well, I think his main position atm would be to help us to coordinate with all teams to improve the QA problems we have atm
[06:40] <Seveas> that would rock
[06:40] <carlos> that's the most common problem we get from upstream related with Ubuntu translations
[06:40] <LaserJock> would this be something that maybe the new Ubuntu Community Manager could coordinate?
[06:40] <LaserJock> getting the person I mean
[06:40] <carlos> it's a matter of improving Rosetta
[06:40] <carlos> in one side
[06:41] <carlos> and teach our translators also to use the infrastructure
[06:41] <danilos> hi carlos
[06:41] <mako> alright
[06:41] <danilos> hey mako
[06:41] <mako> danilos: hey there
[06:42] <mako> there is only one person that has volunteered so far
[06:42] <mako> but there seems to many things still up in the air
[06:42] <carlos> danilos: hi, we are talking about the "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" position for Ubuntu
[06:42] <carlos> mako: he should have a bit of experience as translator
[06:43] <mako> perhaps the best thing we can do is explain what someone who was interested in this would do, and who they would talk to find out more
[06:43] <OgMaciel> mako, +1
[06:43] <carlos> mako: I guess danilo and I could help there
[06:44] <danilos> carlos: ah, ok, I'd be glad to help with the choice and describing what should one usually do
[06:44] <carlos> also to know at least if we believe that he/she has enough knowledge about the problems related to l10n/i18n
[06:44] <carlos> mako: also, danilos shares that position in GNOME project
[06:44] <danilos> yeah, I'm sure I can give a couple of hints here and there
[06:45] <Seveas> danilos, carlos: then maybe it would be useful if you add a short 'job description' to the wiki page
[06:45] <danilos> now, do you already have a set of desired "tasks" for such a person?
[06:45] <AndreNoel> Seveas: +1
[06:45] <OgMaciel> mako, want to skip the topic and continue, since there's a lot of things up for grabs?
[06:45] <danilos> what's the wiki page?
[06:46] <OgMaciel> mako, we could come back later
[06:46] <Seveas> danilos, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[06:46] <mako> alright then
[06:46] <mako> i'm not sure this belongs on the CC agenda
[06:46] <mako> if sabdfl feels strongly that it does, i'd love to hear why
[06:46] <mako> in any case
[06:46] <Seveas> it's a start -- we could easily put it somewhere else
[06:46] <mako> right
[06:46] <carlos> Seveas: ok. We will try to have a meeting this week about that and prepare something
[06:46] <carlos> danilos: is that ok for you?
[06:46] <mako> danilos, carlos: thanks for filling in the blanks
[06:47] <mako> OgMaciel: and thanks for volunteering
[06:47] <danilos> carlos: sure, sounds fine
[06:47] <mako> what about the kubuntu community coordinator?
[06:47] <carlos> mako: you are welcome
[06:47] <OgMaciel> mako, my pleasure... and am still extremelly interested
[06:47] <Riddell> mako: that's my item
[06:47] <mako> danilos, OgMaciel: you two should probably coordinate
[06:47] <OgMaciel> mako, will do
[06:47] <mako> Riddell: run with it :)
[06:47] <AndreNoel> Og is doing a very great work at Ubuntu Brazilian Portuguese Translators
[06:47] <Seveas> Riddell, care to elaborate a bit? Wouldn't it be part of Jono's job?
[06:47] <danilos> mako: np, OgMaciel, feel free to ping me on IRC as "danilos" whenever you wish
[06:48] <OgMaciel> danilos, how about now? ;)
[06:48] <OgMaciel> thanks AndreNoel ;)
[06:48] <Riddell> mako: myself and the kubuntu developers want to entitle Hobssee as Kubuntu Community Coordinator...
[06:48] <Riddell> she has a lot of ideas and is doing a good amount of organising and bringing people into kubuntu so we want to empower her to do that more
[06:48] <danilos> OgMaciel: well, if it's not for too long, and I'd like to think about all of that first (they just got me into it, and I haven't even read the wiki page): sometimes during the week sounds better
[06:48] <elmo> Riddell: "empower" how?
[06:49] <Riddell> it's not paticularly related to jono
[06:49] <elmo> Riddell: how not?
[06:49] <OgMaciel> danilos, carlos here's some baxkground info:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OgMaciel...  let me know when it's a good time for you
[06:49] <mdz> what would be involved?  listing Hobbsee as a point of contact for people wishing to get involved seems like a reasonable thing to do
[06:49] <carlos> OgMaciel: sure, thanks
[06:50] <Riddell> elmo: by giving her our appoval to tell people how best to contribute to kubuntu
[06:50] <danilos> OgMaciel: thanks a lot; do you also hang around #ubuntu channels occasionally?
[06:50] <Riddell> elmo: because I hope jono will be doing his stuff for kubuntu too :)
[06:50] <OgMaciel> dAndy_, occasionaly... I spend most of my time at the brazilin channels ;)
[06:50] <Riddell> mdz: yes, that's about right
[06:51] <mako> Riddell: to what extend does she do that already?
[06:51] <Riddell> mako: a fairly large extent, but she feels nervous to tell people what to do unless she knows she's backed by the kubuntu developers
[06:52] <mako> well, you have no objections from me :)
[06:52] <gnomefreak> she got me started learning merges and kubuntu related bugs
[06:52] <mako> and if you've brought it here, i assume that means there are no objections from you either
[06:53] <Riddell> the kubuntu council are happy with it, I'm just after a nod of approval from here and we'll let her run with it for a few months to see what she achieves
[06:53] <OgMaciel> I am very impressed by the fact that Riddell came here to appoint someone he trusts
[06:53] <mako> well, it sounds great to me
[06:53] <Riddell> rocking
[06:53] <OgMaciel> that shows good management skills to me
[06:53] <Riddell> thanks
[06:54] <mako> elmo?
[06:54] <mako> sabdfl might appear again soon as well
[06:54] <mako> we'll see
[06:54] <elmo> he's enroute to the office
[06:54] <elmo> anyway, eh, ok by me I guess
[06:55] <Seveas> so we've run out of items for now I guess -- should we take a break?
[06:56] <bddebian> I have to head to a meeting but let me add a +1 for carthik for membership before I go :-)
[06:56] <OgMaciel> Seveas, I'd like a word with you if we do take a break
[06:56] <carthik> thanks bddebian 
[06:56] <Seveas> OgMaciel, sure
[06:56] <ompaul> elmo, is there an eta? if so maybe we should take that many minutes less 5
[06:56] <elmo> ompaul: he's just sat down
[06:56] <ompaul> elmo, short break :)
[06:56] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:57] <mako> alright then
[06:57] <mako> is there any other business before we move on to new member candidates?
[06:57] <OgMaciel> mako, you decided if you're coming down next week?
[06:57] <mako> OgMaciel: i just sent you an email about it
[06:57] <OgMaciel> oh
[06:57] <OgMaciel> ;)
[06:58] <Seveas> nothing on the agenda -- maybe someone has an impromptu item?
[06:58] <ubuntu_demon> OgMaciel , mako do you talk about ubucon ?
[06:58] <mako> we have not talked about ubucon
[06:58] <ubuntu_demon> Seveas: I have something
[06:58] <OgMaciel> Seveas, I do have a topic
[06:59] <Seveas> ubuntu_demon, well give it a shot -- sabdfl is not here yet
[06:59] <mako> ubuntu_demon: goa head
[07:00] <ubuntu_demon> Only a small question : I wanted to know whether it makes sense to sponsor some forum staff members to ubucon or to UDSWiesbaden. (I know Mark wants some of us attending some Ubuntu conventions)
[07:00] <elmo> ok, so unfortunately sabdfl can't make this meeting, he's run out of time
[07:00] <jenda> :(
[07:00] <carthik> aww
[07:00] <ubuntu_demon> :(
[07:00] <jenda> So will member candidates have to wait for his approval later on?
[07:01] <mako> ubuntu_demon: you'll have to talk to folks at canonical about that but i thin kthat some of these meetings do not have any funded travel
[07:01] <mako> ubuntu_demon: so it's less likely
[07:01] <ubuntu_demon> I thought so
[07:01] <elmo> ubuntu_demon: canonical's not involved in ubucon at all, so that's unlikely (tho I can't/don't speak for Canonical)
[07:01] <ubuntu_demon> one of the reasons I asked was that IMHO it would be good to have Ryan talking IRL with you / Mark
[07:02] <mako> ubuntu_demon: when mark was talking about funding travel to conferences, i think he was he speaking specifically of ubuntu developer summits
[07:02] <mako> ubuntu_demon: i will not be at ubucon
[07:02] <mako> i don't know if mark will be
[07:02] <mako> in any case
[07:03] <ubuntu_demon> mako: okay clear. Can you contact Ryan regarding the forum guidelines draft ? 
[07:03] <mako> ubuntu_demon: yes
[07:03] <ubuntu_demon> mako : thank you very much
[07:03] <jenda> Ryan was here a while ago...
[07:03] <tseliot> yep he was here
[07:04] <ubuntu_demon> I guess he run out of time. He's a busy guy :)
[07:04] <mako> alright
[07:04] <Seveas> mako, what to do now - postpone the rest?
[07:04] <ubuntu_demon> he told me he hadn't very much time tonight
[07:04] <mako> Seveas: elmo and i are talkinga bout that
[07:04] <OgMaciel> Seveas, I have a topic
[07:04] <Seveas> mako, ok
[07:04] <Seveas> OgMaciel, ok, shoot
[07:04] <OgMaciel> ok
[07:05] <mako> ok, i think we're going to need to postpone until next week
[07:05] <mako> because we are not quorate
[07:05] <Seveas> mako, we could at least hear OgMaciel out ;)
[07:05] <OgMaciel> ;)
[07:05] <mako> oh that's fine
[07:05] <OgMaciel> ok
[07:05] <mako> we can continue on other business
[07:05] <mako> but in terms of new member candidtes
[07:06] <mako> colin will not be back until next week
[07:06] <mako> and it's unlikely that if even if we approve without voting this week, people won't get approved until he returns anyway
[07:06] <OgMaciel> mako, elmo I would like to create a Canonical "backed" community council for the Brazilian team
[07:06] <ogra> and then be busy at the distro sprint ..
[07:06] <mako> ogra: hmm
[07:06] <elmo> OgMaciel: eh - how do you mean  Canonical backed?
[07:07] <OgMaciel> elmo, we currently have a situation
[07:07] <Seveas> OgMaciel, shouldn't that be 'community council' backed?
[07:07] <carthik> Thanks folks, next week, then.
[07:07] <mako> i think he means CC backed
[07:07] <OgMaciel> elmo, where all control is under one person
[07:07] <OgMaciel> yes, CC-backed
[07:07] <OgMaciel> this has caused trouble
[07:07] <OgMaciel> quite a lot actually
[07:08] <mako> OgMaciel: how many active participants in the br-loco community are there?
[07:08] <AlexRocha> OgMaciel +1
[07:08] <birula> OgMaciel: +1
[07:08] <AndreNoel> OgMaciel: +1
[07:08] <OgMaciel> in order to avoid further confusion, I think a CC-appointed group would solve the problem
[07:08] <OgMaciel> mako, I'd say actively about 30
[07:09] <mako> OgMaciel: how big of a decision-making team are you suggesting?
[07:09] <OgMaciel> mako, that includes doc team
[07:09] <mako> sure
[07:09] <OgMaciel> mako, about 7
[07:09] <OgMaciel> mako, made up of different divisions
[07:09] <OgMaciel> mako, doc, trans, data miners, forum
[07:09] <OgMaciel> a true council
[07:09] <OgMaciel> with shared obligations
[07:09] <OgMaciel> and decisions
[07:10] <OgMaciel> but if we choose the members, it would cause trouble
[07:10] <OgMaciel> people's egos would get in the way
[07:10] <mako> who is we?
[07:10] <OgMaciel> mako, the people who work day in, day out
[07:10] <OgMaciel> me for instance
[07:10] <AlexRocha> OgMaciel: this is the way, very good the proposal ;)
[07:11] <OgMaciel> thanks alenitchev 
[07:11] <OgMaciel> AlexRocha, 
[07:11] <mako> it puts the CC in a difficult position because, unlike those people, we're not particularly familiar with the current team
[07:11] <OgMaciel> AlexRocha, sorry... tab completion
[07:11] <OgMaciel> mako, true
[07:11] <mako> how would you propose things move forward?
[07:11] <Meyer> well.. i think this is a one-sided version of the story.. but i dont think this is the place to discuss it
[07:11] <OgMaciel> mako, we could get some people to step up
[07:11] <jenda> So - no membership proposals today?
[07:12] <gnomefreak> jenda: not likelu
[07:12] <gnomefreak> likely
[07:12] <jenda> OK, lator then.
[07:12] <Seveas> jenda, ciao
[07:12] <ubuntu_demon> jenda: bye
[07:12] <ompaul> jenda, that is the case hour:05
[07:12] <mako> we might do introductions of people that cannot come to a meeting next week
[07:13] <tseliot> jenda: bye
[07:13] <matthewrevell> mako: That would be handy ... it's unlikely I could make a meeting next week
[07:13] <Seveas> Meyer, I think it is -- some other teams (forums and irc) also have a CC backed solution for a dispute resolution team
[07:13] <OgMaciel> Seveas, +1
[07:13] <segfault> hi
[07:13] <Seveas> Meyer, and you can't deny that the .br team has a dispute to solve
[07:13] <jenda> would be handy... /me gets his support stick ready.
[07:14] <mako> Meyer: there's no sides to be taking here
[07:14] <Meyer> no.. that i can't.. but it seems to me as a personal agenda of his.. 
[07:14] <OgMaciel> Seveas, it is because of these disputes that I am asking the CC to step in
[07:14] <mako> Meyer: there are at least some people who feel that the current process is both problematic and undemocratic
[07:14] <mako> Meyer: that's the problem
[07:14] <Seveas> Meyer, it is on the  personal agenda of everyone involved
[07:14] <Meyer> if he wants to go this way, we'd gladly resign..
[07:14] <mako> Meyer: the problem is not that it *is* undemocratic or *is* problematic
[07:14] <mako> Meyer: but that it appears that way that people
[07:15] <LaserJock> why wouldn't problems be brought to the CC? Isn't that one of it's purposes?
[07:15] <OgMaciel> LaserJock, +1
[07:15] <Seveas> LaserJock, it is
[07:16] <Meyer> i have no problem at all taking this to the CC.. just think everything could have been solved by talking it out
[07:16] <ogra> ++
[07:16] <Seveas> Meyer, great idea, please do so
[07:16] <Meyer> i've tried
[07:16] <Meyer> these ppl talk one way to us.. and another to the community's public
[07:17] <ogra> discuss in public ? 
[07:17] <Meyer> also tried
[07:17] <mako> alright
[07:17] <ogra> well, that should have solved the above at least, no ?
[07:17] <mako> this isn't going anywhere
[07:17] <Meyer> since they want it so much, i'm offering my position
[07:17] <Meyer> and i think licio and segfault too.. but i cannot speak for them
[07:18] <mako> if there are specific issues or disputes, the CC would be happy to consider them
[07:18] <Seveas> Meyer, OgMaciel: we're talking about an 'abstract' problem -- I know quite a bit about it already but others don't. Maybe you both could write down your sides of the story
[07:18] <OgMaciel> mako, just FYI, nobody asked no one to "resign"
[07:18] <OgMaciel> Seveas, sure thing
[07:18] <mako> well there are at least two issues
[07:18] <ogra> how about preparing a summary (two summaries to see both sides) on the wiki for next meeting
[07:19] <mako> there are concerns about the nature of the leadership team on the brazilian loco
[07:19] <segfault> the root of all problem is that ogmaciel is trying to be the brazilian team leader
[07:19] <mako> namely that there are a few people who are not particularly active or responsive any more
[07:19] <OgMaciel> ogra, I could try to attend the next meeting
[07:19] <segfault> which is acctually meyer
[07:19] <OgMaciel> segfault, I am asking for a council
[07:19] <OgMaciel> segfault, no single leader
[07:19] <segfault> dunno what to do in this situation
[07:19] <Meyer> a council of your trusted people
[07:19] <OgMaciel> Meyer, I asked the CC to appoint
[07:20] <mako> Meyer: he certainly hasn't asked me that
[07:20] <Meyer> he has asked that to us...
[07:20] <mako> well, that's not really material here
[07:20] <OgMaciel> mako, Seveas elmo ogra this is very important to solve as quick and smooth as possible
[07:20] <Meyer> segfault, has seen it
[07:20] <OgMaciel> Meyer, please don't make up stuff about it
[07:20] <OgMaciel> mako, +1
[07:21] <mako> Meyer: we're not going to make any decision based on private emails that OgMaciel has sent you
[07:21] <OgMaciel> mako, which I didn't btw
[07:21] <Meyer> they were sent to a hole bunch of ppl.. including segfault 
[07:22] <segfault> yup.
[07:22] <OgMaciel> mako, I have suggested that we include the active people
[07:22] <OgMaciel> mako, some of them are here present
[07:22] <OgMaciel> mako, it makes sense to me that a council be made of people who are present in the community
[07:22] <AndreNoel> well, none mails i've sent to meyer or segfault was answered when i came in the community... i think that a council would be more participative... and more helpful
[07:22] <OgMaciel> mako, I cannot help that I work with them every day
[07:23] <gnomefreak> what about appointing an outside group to act as CC for the br team that way its general not a sided
[07:23] <OgMaciel> gnomefreak, that could work
[07:23] <mako> alright
[07:23] <mako> this isn't going anywhere
[07:24] <OgMaciel> yup
[07:24] <OgMaciel> afraid so
[07:24] <mako> OgMaciel: you seem to be asking that the currently leadership team for the brazilian loco be dissolved and that a new be created
[07:24] <OgMaciel> mako, the problem is that there is none
[07:24] <mako> as, that there is no leadership team at the moment
[07:25] <AndreNoel> why not joining with the actual leadership?
[07:25] <segfault> i guess Meyer is the actual leader
[07:25] <nixternal> Chicago Loco has 30+ active, with a 100+ interested and helping out when possible. We don't do a "leadership" type of thing, as everyone is a leader of "their" project. I think this has created an amazing environment for the Chicago team, but I don't know if it works with others, we just got lucky maybe ;)
[07:25] <nixternal> and we are all working on creating patches for bug #1 ;)
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[07:25] <nixternal> oops
[07:26] <mako> OgMaciel: alright, write up a proposal for a leadership team
[07:26] <mako> have it explain the shortcomings of not having one and the benefits of having one
[07:26] <OgMaciel> mako, I could do that
[07:27] <mako> Meyer, segfault: it sounds like part of the problem is that certain tasks are very centralized
[07:27] <mako> right now
[07:27] <OgMaciel> mako, +1
[07:27] <Meyer> not at all.. each part of the community does what it can...
[07:27] <Meyer> OgMaciel, wants it all
[07:28] <OgMaciel> Meyer, once again... pay attention... I am asking for the creation of a council
[07:28] <AndreNoel> sounds that og is like darth vader
[07:28] <segfault> he wants to centralize it. :-)
[07:28] <birula> AndreNoel: :P
[07:29] <mako> segfault, Meyer: well, there is zero chance of that happening through the CC
[07:29] <AndreNoel> og is not that monster
[07:29] <OgMaciel> segfault, centralize it around a council... yes
[07:29] <segfault> some time ago i was absent because of personal problems, and recently i gave him the ownership of i18n team
[07:29] <segfault> but i dunno why he wants to take meyer position
[07:30] <mako> what is meyer's position, you both just said things were completely decentralized?
[07:30] <Seveas> segfault, I don't think 'owning' is the correct word and he doesn't seem to want to take meyers position...
[07:30] <OgMaciel> segfault, it is all explained here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OgMaciel
[07:30] <OgMaciel> Seveas, thanks
[07:30] <Meyer> i'm doing infrastructure and events mostly
[07:30] <OgMaciel> segfault, you were absent for 8 months and I asked you to step down
[07:30] <mako> Meyer: are you opposed to sharing those responsibilities
[07:31] <Meyer> nope
[07:31] <segfault> hahaha 8 months!? what a lier
[07:31] <Meyer> segfault, also has infrastructure admin access
[07:31] <OgMaciel> segfault, please don't use these terms... we're talking here
[07:31] <Meyer> there are other ppl doing events too
[07:31] <OgMaciel> AndreNoel, would you tell people how often you've seen segfault ?
[07:31] <OgMaciel> AlexRocha, you too
[07:32] <AndreNoel> well, not answer my mail yet...
[07:32] <mako> ok, are you opposed to sharing those responsibilities with people who might not completely take your side during this argument?
[07:32] <Meyer> OgMaciel, segfault has been missing since april.. that's when his kid was born
[07:32] <Seveas> OgMaciel, segfault, Meyer (and al others): please don't do personal attacks in here
[07:32] <Meyer> mako, not at all..
[07:32] <segfault> i'm really disappointed with you Ogmaciel, i've never imagined that you could speak this way
[07:32] <OgMaciel> mako, anyhow, this is getting personal... I will write what you've asked me and get back to the CC
[07:33] <segfault> since i helped you in the beginning, and introduced you to the ubuntu community
[07:33] <segfault> its really sad
[07:33] <OgMaciel> I apologized to everyone who had to witness this
[07:33] <mako> Meyer,segfault: do you think that executive council for you team would be a bad thing?
[07:34] <segfault> mako: i see no problem with that, never had
[07:34] <Meyer> there is one.. the thing is that Og feels bad cause he doesn't have majority
[07:34] <mako> segfault: ok
[07:34] <Meyer> so he tries to sabotage it
[07:34] <rodarvus> segfault, Meyer, OgMaciel: again, please calm down.
[07:35] <rodarvus> personal attacks won't take you anywere
[07:35] <OgMaciel> JoeyStanford, +1
[07:35] <AndreNoel> JoeyStanford: +1
[07:35] <mako> people are clearly very upset
[07:35] <birula> JoeyStanford: :1
[07:35] <birula> +1
[07:35] <mako> my basic position is that i'm not opposed to a council
[07:35] <JoeyStanford> Might I suggest this be tabled and sorted out off line.
[07:35] <mako> but i don't wnat it to be created because of interpersonal politics
[07:36] <OgMaciel> mako, +1
[07:36] <ubuntu_demon> I'm leaving. If anyone needs me try contacting me on irc or PM'ing me on the forums. Bye!
[07:36] <mako> you all need to think real hard about what sort of system you'd want for hte team
[07:36] <mako> ubuntu_demon: cool
[07:36] <Meyer> mako, i alerady said it.. i'm willing to resign if you guys feels its for the best
[07:36] <mako> Meyer: i don't know enough about the situation to have opinion either way
[07:37] <Meyer> we created the council based on the same system as the CC...
[07:37] <rodarvus> I'd say both sides expose your points on some wiki page, and agree on a meeting (with external invitees) later this week
[07:37] <Meyer> a group of members (basically @u.c) tha voted for it..
[07:38] <rodarvus> this is a problem the br-loco-team should learn to handle by itself
[07:38] <OgMaciel> rodarvus, the problem is that we have reached a stand off
[07:38] <mako> you're going to need to describe teh current problem
[07:38] <Seveas> rodarvus, it's the first locoteam to come to the CC so might be a good experience for the council too
[07:38] <OgMaciel> rodarvus, and in order to preserve the community I am asking the CC to step in
[07:39] <mako> OgMaciel: you're asking in a slightly bizarre way
[07:39] <rodarvus> Seveas, good point
[07:39] <segfault> como esse cara  chato.
[07:39] <mako> there are two many issues being conflated together here
[07:39] <AndreNoel> segfault: talk it in english
[07:39] <mako> if there are specific unresolved problems with the team and an actionable step that can be taken to resolve them, that's fine
[07:40] <mako> if there are structural problems that can be remedied, tat's fine too
[07:40] <mako> but we have both of those issues and much more
[07:40] <mako> and it's basically degenerating into personal attacks
[07:41] <OgMaciel> mako, the issues can be summed up in the following...  I believe a brazilian made CC would be appropriate and resolve some issues
[07:41] <mako> we don't need a high level summary
[07:41] <mako> we need specific actionable proposals with specific, well defined, problems
[07:41] <OgMaciel> mako, and it is too bad that some of the people who agree with me and are here cannot express themselves in english
[07:41] <mako> the problem is that it's not even clear what the disagreement is
[07:41] <JoeyStanford> (Eu penso que este necessita ser discutido em outra parte. Eu no penso que este tpico deve ser discutido aqui. H uns muitos da emoo com este tpico.)
[07:41] <mako> what is clear is the personal problems
[07:42] <segfault> yup, we can move on
[07:42] <AlexRocha> OgMaciel I
[07:42] <segfault> let's write down the problems and take it to another meeting
[07:42] <mako> alright
[07:42] <OgMaciel> mako, I will accept what the CC decides to do next
[07:42] <mako> so we are not quorate so we're going to have to postpone until next tuesday 16UTC
[07:42] <segfault> exposing the problems and its possible solutions, we've taken too much time here
[07:43] <OgMaciel> JoeyStanford, thanks for the feedback
[07:43] <Seveas> mako, you sure sabdfl and elmo will make it?
[07:43] <matthewrevell> mako: Is there any way to introduce myself, in prep for membership consideration?
[07:43] <mako> kamion and elmo will make it
[07:43] <Seveas> ok
[07:43] <mako> maybe mark
[07:43] <Seveas> matthewrevell, next week ;)
[07:43] <mako> if there is anybody that definitely cannot make it next week
[07:43] <matthewrevell> Seveas: Yeah, getting to this meeting was difficult enough...
[07:43] <mako> speak up now
[07:43] <matthewrevell> mako: me:)
[07:44] <AlexRocha> JoeyStanford, se no for discutido aqui, no ser resolvido por fora :(
[07:44] <JoeyStanford> Og: welcome. 
[07:44] <mako> you may end up having to come back again in the future
[07:44] <gnomefreak> tuesday at 1600?
[07:44] <mako> 1600UTC
[07:44] <gnomefreak> k
[07:44] <mako> and it may make things slower, to go today
[07:44] <mako> that's fine
[07:44] <mako> it will ONLY be for membership applications
[07:44] <OgMaciel> cool
[07:44] <mako> a 1h meeting
[07:44] <mako> alright matthewrevell go ahead
[07:45] <Seveas> mako, ok, I updated the agenda
[07:45] <matthewrevell> mako: thank you :)
[07:45] <matthewrevell> I've promoted Ubuntu on LugRadio and at LugRadio Live. We've also provided a platform for Ubuntu to reach the wider community.
[07:45] <matthewrevell> I've been at the core of the Marketing Team's renewal and a regular contributor to the new Fridge. I look forward to Ubuntu as the world's favourite operating system, because it's excellent software and it spreads freedom!
[07:45] <matthewrevell> That's my, slightly long, intro.
[07:46] <mako> sounds good
[07:46] <matthewrevell> mako: mdke said he'd mailed in a +1 for me.
[07:46] <matthewrevell> ompaul: thanks :)
[07:46] <gnomefreak> +1 for matthewrevell 
[07:46] <Seveas> \o/ for matthewrevell from me, module the not too long direct ivolvement. I have no doubt though that the involvement will continue
[07:46] <mako> i appreciate your work on the fridge
[07:46] <nixternal> mako: matthewrevell has and is doing a lot for the "advocational" side of the community.  he is an outstanding candidate for membership, as i enjoy working along side with him on a daily basis!
[07:46] <mako> matthewrevell: how long have you been directly involved?
[07:47] <matthewrevell> mako: In the community directly? Since June.
[07:47] <Seveas> I thought it was later ;)
[07:47] <matthewrevell> Seveas: slow burner :)
[07:47] <JoeyStanford> +1 for Matthew Revell
[07:48] <mako> matthewrevell: great, sounds good :)
[07:48] <mako> thanks for showing up and sitting through this
[07:48] <ompaul> mako, he is rather active, to put it very politely 
[07:48] <mako> right, we look for significant and sustained contributions
[07:48] <mako> i don't think there's any argument about the significant part
[07:48] <mako> i like to see folks around for a couple months personallly as well
[07:48] <mako> so it seems you've snuck under the wire :)
[07:49] <matthewrevell> mako: I waited especially :)
[07:49] <nixternal> i think he has been around longer then june honestly
[07:50] <gnomefreak> ive seen him before june but i didnt notice how active he was
[07:50] <Seveas> matthewrevell, which one are you on http://www.tecspy.com/loveslugradio/ellr04.jpg?
[07:50] <matthewrevell> Seveas: oof, top frame, next to jono
[07:51] <mako> alright then
[07:51] <ompaul> mako, by next week it will be sustained his first post that I noted was: 26/06/06 15:25 however I was kind of surprised when I got it as he had been in irc for Jun 09 12:55:05 *       matthewrevell (i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org) has joined #ubuntu-marketing 
[07:52] <jenda> Ah, are we talking about matthewrevell? :)
[07:52] <mako> alright sounds goods
[07:53] <mako> matthewrevell: you should wait for approval by elmo, kamion, or sabdfl
[07:53] <Seveas> see you all next week
[07:53] <mako> and that's the end of the meeting :)
[07:53] <matthewrevell> mako: thanks
[07:53] <mako> great
[07:53] <matthewrevell> Seveas: bye
[07:53] <mako> matthewrevell: thanks for showing up
[07:53] <jenda> He is a priceless asset in my opinion - experience and skills many times proved, devotion repeatedly observed.
[07:53] <nixternal> mako: thanks for the approval today, greatly appreciated ;)
[07:53] <matthewrevell> jenda: Cheers :)
[07:54] <jenda> gratz, nixternal. Welcome to the team, officially and all stamps down 
[07:54] <nixternal> muhahah...i mean oh thanks
[07:55] <matthewrevell> right, I must go and finish a report. THanks all.
[07:56] <ompaul> nixternal, be nice
[07:57] <gnomefreak> jenda: leave for good?
[07:57] <jenda> gnomefreak: for tonight
[07:57] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:57] <jenda> *gone*
[07:57] <ompaul> was it something I said :)