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| Keybuk | pygi: you sick man ;) | 12:11 |
| pygi | Keybuk, ;) | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | does update-manage hand dapper->edgy upgrades well? | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | *handle | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | I guess that might be a little more of an #ubuntu+1 question | 12:14 |
| pygi | LaserJock, it does | 12:14 |
| mdz | LaserJock: it has a preliminary upgrade mode for edgy which you should test, yes | 12:14 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, no man page for update-manager in Dapper, interesting | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing update-manager -c -d will do the trick | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well it could use some more informative error messages :-) | 12:22 |
| seb128 | is there some other tool than gdb to get a backtrace? :) | 12:24 |
| wasabi__ | Hmm. What's the usual procedure for forcing a package to rebuild? Just a new upload? | 12:26 |
| wasabi__ | With no changes and a comment. | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | yup, use VERSIONbuild1 | 12:27 |
| wasabi__ | k | 12:27 |
| wasabi__ | ubuntu1build1? | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | usually mention why you're forcing a rebuild | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | for that, just do ubuntu2 | 12:27 |
| wasabi__ | thought so | 12:27 |
| wasabi__ | thanks. just making sure. | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | you only need to force a rebuild that way if it built already | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | ie. soname change of underlying library | 12:28 |
| mdz | seb128: catchsegv | 12:28 |
| Keybuk | if the build failed, it doesn't need forcing | 12:28 |
| wasabi__ | Versioned dependencies moved away. | 12:28 |
| wasabi__ | So now it's uninstallable, etc. | 12:28 |
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| seb128 | mdz: thank you, that one doesn't crash but gets not bt neither :p | 12:33 |
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| wasabi | Oooh. Automatic crash reporting. I like. | 12:48 |
| wasabi | Bit rough. Great addition. | 12:48 |
| wasabi | Should attach a core file automatically. :) | 12:48 |
| desrt | edgy's bugbuddy you mean? | 12:49 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 12:49 |
| desrt | it uses the new HTTP technology | 12:49 |
| desrt | very 90s :) | 12:49 |
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| wasabi | Heh. | 12:49 |
| wasabi | It's just nice to have it. | 12:49 |
| desrt | (thank god somebody finally implemented that) :) | 12:49 |
| wasabi | Wonder if the plan is for it to do the reporting itself... including attaching this file. | 12:50 |
| wasabi | Probably. ;0 | 12:50 |
| desrt | well | 12:50 |
| desrt | you sort of have to ask the user "what were you just doing?" | 12:50 |
| desrt | and sending in core files is extremely dangerous and sometimes unrealistic | 12:51 |
| wasabi | Yeah. Simple questions, sure. But right now it makes you open launch pad, click new bug, submit, add attachment, paste /var/crash/_somefile.crash into the attachments. ;) | 12:51 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 12:51 |
| wasabi | MS basically submits tailored core files. | 12:51 |
| wasabi | Stack only or some such. | 12:51 |
| seb128 | desrt: I'm not sure you guys speak about the same thing, wasabi is speaking about apport | 12:54 |
| wasabi | apport the new thing that just popped into edgy? | 12:54 |
| wasabi | yup | 12:54 |
| desrt | ya. i don't know what that is :) | 12:55 |
| seb128 | apport is what you get notifying you that something crashed to edgy | 12:55 |
| wasabi | replacing bug buddy, or in addition to? | 12:55 |
| desrt | oh. that's what i'm talking about | 12:55 |
| seb128 | desrt: sort of bug-buddy but not GNOME specific | 12:55 |
| desrt | the new bugbuddy thing | 12:55 |
| seb128 | desrt: new bug-buddy is bug-buddy with xml-rpc for me ;) | 12:55 |
| desrt | does it file to launchpad or bugzilla? | 12:55 |
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| seb128 | desrt: bug-buddy? bugzilla! apport? it opens a browser on launchpad atm but save the informations to /var/crash too | 12:56 |
| wasabi | bah. gnome settings daemon can't update xkb config | 12:56 |
| seb128 | desrt: the plan is to bug launchpad by xmlrpc and get automatic debug backtrace ... but that part is not done yet ;) | 12:57 |
| wasabi | seb128: how are you planning on getting the bt? -dbg packages, or uploading a core file or something? | 12:57 |
| seb128 | for now it has the "detect crashes, a basic UI and bug dumps to /var/crash" | 12:58 |
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| seb128 | wasabi: read the "Introducing automatic crash reporting in Edgy" mail from Martin on the -announce list | 12:58 |
| seb128 | it has all the details about that :) | 12:59 |
| wasabi | k | 12:59 |
| seb128 | wasabi: basically a compressed coredump sent to a box which will get the bt | 12:59 |
| wasabi | Ahh. Cool. That's what I was thinking. | 12:59 |
| wasabi | A launchpad service that added that info to the bug reports just running, etc. | 12:59 |
| poningru | wasabi: it was also in the dev mailing list | 01:00 |
| wasabi | neato. fun to see it all coming togheter | 01:02 |
| gnomefreak | mdz: i confirmed the bug and pitti had told me it was known so i didnt bother filing one but thank you | 01:02 |
| gnomefreak | -but | 01:03 |
| mdz | gnomefreak: what bug? | 01:05 |
| gnomefreak | the ff bug | 01:05 |
| mdz | which firefox bug? | 01:06 |
| gnomefreak | the one you filed that apt breaks ff | 01:06 |
| gnomefreak | bug 56394 | 01:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56394 in firefox "Premature use of Breaks causes apt failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56394 | 01:06 |
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| bluefoxicy | s/*/& we don't want that/ | 01:19 |
| === bluefoxicy just upgraded firefox and it said "installing firefox would break firefox-ubuntu-themes, and" | ||
| sabdfl | rhythmbox is looking *shiny* | 01:20 |
| sabdfl | yum | 01:21 |
| sabdfl | pretty is a feature! | 01:21 |
| mjg59 | Lalala. | 01:21 |
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| sabdfl | Doremi, would be more appropriate, gene-boy | 01:22 |
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| mjg59 | desrt: Pf. I've got something with ticky boxes and if you tick them gnome-obex-server starts and stops | 01:22 |
| mjg59 | It does some other useful stuff too | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | mjg59: did you see my questions about the new usplash magic? | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | i have a cunning plan | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: Yeah | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: You can draw boxes in different colours | 01:23 |
| desrt | mjg59; this sounds less impressive than i'd have imagined | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Haha | 01:23 |
| desrt | mjg59; i guess it's a last-minute job now? | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Nah | 01:23 |
| mjg59 | It's all good | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | mjg59: more than 16 colours? can you know the resolution and colour depth? | 01:24 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: Basically, you can dump a pixmap onto the screen and draw boxes. You can move sections of screen around, too. | 01:24 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: More than 16 colours is trivial, but not yet implemented. Yes, you can query the resolution. | 01:25 |
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| desrt | vuntz vuntz vuntz | 01:26 |
| mjg59 | desrt: As far as UI goes, you've got bluetooth enable/disable, discoverability, whether or not you're accepting obex file transfers, where they get saved to, that sort of thing | 01:26 |
| bddebian | Howdy folks | 01:26 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Currently implemented as a hal addon, a simple GTK frontend and a session daemon | 01:27 |
| desrt | oh god. a new session daemon. | 01:27 |
| desrt | mjg59; do you also have that neat stuff where you can see bluetooth devices and their services in hal? | 01:28 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Yes | 01:29 |
| desrt | do you have a hal method for hid attach? | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 01:29 |
| desrt | rock. | 01:29 |
| desrt | that alone is awesome enough | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | And rfcomm binding | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | As I said, it needs UI | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | But that's easy enough | 01:29 |
| desrt | some sort of client-side API for that might be nice | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | More of a client-side API than HAL? | 01:29 |
| desrt | like int open_rfcomm_by_hal_uid (const char *); | 01:30 |
| desrt | which gives an fd | 01:30 |
| desrt | and handles all the binding and whatnot in the background | 01:30 |
| mjg59 | Hm. | 01:30 |
| mjg59 | Interesting idea. | 01:30 |
| desrt | that's really what people want | 01:30 |
| mjg59 | Right now it binds, then once the binding is completed adds a device node name to the HAL properties | 01:30 |
| desrt | so you're already most of the way there | 01:31 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 01:31 |
| mjg59 | Should probably go in libbtctl | 01:31 |
| desrt | to quote jeff: DOIT | 01:31 |
| mjg59 | And libbtctl should be ported to hal stuff | 01:31 |
| mjg59 | Without breaking API | 01:31 |
| desrt | thank god my project doesn't care about API break | 01:31 |
| mjg59 | But I couldn't really be bothered redoing the libbtctl stuff when it wouldn't provide any user-visible difference | 01:31 |
| jdub | desrt: starsky and hutch | 01:33 |
| mjg59 | So. | 01:33 |
| mjg59 | How should I provide the list of devices? | 01:33 |
| mjg59 | In the pointy clicky UI | 01:33 |
| jdub | mjg59: A PIE MENU | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | Anyone other than Jeff? | 01:34 |
| lifeless | mjg59: you should provide it in a clear manner | 01:34 |
| desrt | jdub; thx. | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | lifeless: And it should also be functional | 01:34 |
| lifeless | mjg59: you should provide it in a clear and functional manner | 01:35 |
| lifeless | ^better ? | 01:35 |
| mjg59 | To be honest, I'm tempted to just provide one icon per device and a clicky "use" button | 01:35 |
| mjg59 | Since the number of bluetooth devices which have more than one useful function is small | 01:35 |
| mjg59 | And we probably wouldn't support them anyway | 01:36 |
| desrt | like every cellphone ever? | 01:36 |
| mjg59 | desrt: Other than "Make this appear for DUN", what have you got? | 01:36 |
| desrt | address book sync, modem, voice, ... | 01:36 |
| mjg59 | Address book sync should be application specific | 01:36 |
| desrt | it's still an sdp-reported thingy | 01:36 |
| mjg59 | And on some devices, it's done over the serial connection anyway | 01:37 |
| mjg59 | Screaming nightmare | 01:37 |
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| mjg59 | I have no idea what my phone supports | 01:38 |
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| TheMuso | Believe it or not, there are actually BlueTooth braille displays. | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | nifty | 01:38 |
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| jdub | TheMuso: hardcore | 01:40 |
| TheMuso | jdub: Makes sense. | 01:41 |
| jdub | TheMuso: guess it means dodging the whole "find the socket" thing, hey? | 01:41 |
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| TheMuso | jdub: Yeah, and having to have the display close to the computer. | 01:41 |
| shackan | mjg59, for printers ? | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | Or not having to, in the case of bluetooth. | 01:41 |
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| mjg59 | Ah, printers are one case | 01:42 |
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| mjg59 | Another appears to be automatically downloading pictures when nearby | 01:42 |
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| sabdfl | desrt: are you seeing someone for those inanimate object issues? | 01:43 |
| desrt | sabdfl; my apple certified repair technician | 01:43 |
| shackan | mjg59, patched gnome bluetooth or did from scratch? | 01:43 |
| sabdfl | jdub! how's life D-U? | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | shackan: No patches to gnome bluetooth yet | 01:44 |
| shackan | ack | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | Mostly because that would involve Python | 01:44 |
| desrt | sabdfl; unfortunately i need my laptop for the time being so i have to put up with the issues until i feel like saying goodbye to it for a few weeks | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | And Python scares me | 01:44 |
| shackan | mjg59, wasn't g-b written in c ? | 01:44 |
| mjg59 | It's a mixture | 01:45 |
| slomo | mdz: libiec61883 is not in debian yet because it was blocked by libraw1394... a newer version was needed but the old maintainer orphaned it and nobody took it until a month ago | 01:45 |
| shackan | scary.. | 01:46 |
| mdz | slomo: we already have the newer version in edgy? | 01:46 |
| slomo | mdz: both libiec61883 and new libraw1394 should get into debian soon | 01:46 |
| slomo | mdz: yes, i updated it shortly after edgy opened | 01:46 |
| mdz | slomo: ok | 01:46 |
| bddebian | slomo: Define soon ;-) | 01:46 |
| mjg59 | If I've uploaded something to universe and it's hit NEW, do I actually need to do anything? | 01:47 |
| slomo | bddebian: "soon" :) it blocks gst-plugins-good in debian and packages seem to be ready already, only waiting for a sponsor | 01:47 |
| mjg59 | I've spent long enough with the flies that I'm forgetting this stuff | 01:48 |
| bddebian | slomo: Ah, cool, then I can play with mythtv :-) | 01:48 |
| slomo | bddebian: we will have it sooner ;) | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | mjg59: last I saw NEW had a large backlog | 01:48 |
| bddebian | Aye :-( | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | Fair enough | 01:48 |
| mjg59 | I'll hack in usplash integration at some stage | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | Bling-tastic hibernate | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | I think there's packages a month old in NEW | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | so it could take a while | 01:51 |
| bluefoxicy | <sabdfl> rhythmbox is looking *shiny* | 01:53 |
| sabdfl | who processes NEW for universe? | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | same as Main | 01:54 |
| bddebian | sabdfl: Same folks as for main | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-archive I imagine | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | mostly Kamion? | 01:54 |
| bddebian | and Keybuk | 01:54 |
| bddebian | But iirc Keybuk said something about not being as involved in the licensing stuff? | 01:55 |
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| slomo | mdz: i've already written a MIR for it btw... shall i still disable the b-d for now or let it go on dep-wait and simply hope that the MIR will be approved soon? :) | 01:55 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't see shininess... however I do "wtf python console" (rhythmbox AND gedit have python console plug-ins), which is leading me to "are we feature-bloating yet?" | 01:55 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: hmm, no? | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | I'm just as involved | 01:56 |
| bddebian | Oh, sorry | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | sabdfl: what's stuck? | 01:56 |
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| slomo | Keybuk: when you process gnome-sharp2 from NEW please move it to main... it doesn't need a MIR as it's only code we have in main already. it was splitted off the gtk-sharp2 source package | 01:57 |
| mdz | slomo: best to wait to upload with the build-dep until the report is approved, in case there are isuses | 01:57 |
| mdz | issues | 01:58 |
| mdz | once it's approved, fire away | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | mdz: would "archive-fest" be a good use of the sprint, or not? | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | ie. cleaning out source NEW, cruft, NBS, anastacia, etc. | 01:59 |
| slomo | mdz: ok :) | 01:59 |
| mjg59 | sabdfl: If you want hibernate to have usplash bling, then NEW time would be a worthwhile investment | 02:00 |
| mdz | slomo: libiec61883 accepted | 02:00 |
| slomo | mdz: thanks :) | 02:00 |
| mdz | Keybuk: if it'd be more efficiently done as a group, yes | 02:00 |
| mdz | if it's individual round tuits, probably not | 02:00 |
| Keybuk | it's round tuits of the right shape | 02:01 |
| bddebian | w00t, thx mdz | 02:05 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: what did you upload? | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: uswsusp | 02:06 |
| Keybuk | was this the original upstream tarball? | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | No | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | It's somewhat hacked | 02:06 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 02:07 |
| Keybuk | shouldn't have CVS/* in it then | 02:07 |
| Seveas | mjg59, would getting more than 16 color support mean merly poking at pngtobogl or is the pallette size currently really limited to 16 colors in libbogl itself? | 02:07 |
| Keybuk | debian/copyright has problems (claims GPL v2 or above, source claims v2 only; missing copyright attributions) | 02:08 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: Oh, tch. | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: pngtobogl and a little work on libbogl | 02:08 |
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| Keybuk | mjg59: nothing blocking, but could you fix those in the next upload | 02:09 |
| Seveas | thanks! | 02:09 |
| Keybuk | accepted | 02:09 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Sure | 02:09 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: Ideally, drop the RLE stuff from pngtobogl entirely | 02:09 |
| mjg59 | Since we gzip it, it's entirely pointless | 02:10 |
| mjg59 | And it's just pain | 02:10 |
| Seveas | so just a big array of palette indexes... | 02:10 |
| Keybuk | slomo: accepted | 02:10 |
| Seveas | (is svga still a palette or can it simply use rgblike values?) | 02:11 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: around? | 02:12 |
| bddebian | Yo | 02:12 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: squashfs ... your upload seems to have made the package suddenly build lots of squashfs-modules-* packages | 02:13 |
| bddebian | What'd I do now? | 02:13 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: Right now it's a 16 colour palette | 02:13 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: That's trivially changed. Basically, it just needs the mode numbers changing | 02:13 |
| Seveas | mjg59, ok, thanks -- bedtime now but I'll poke at it tomorrow | 02:14 |
| mjg59 | Seveas: No problem | 02:14 |
| bddebian | Keybuk: There are a bunch of module binary packages in debian/control | 02:16 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: I uploaded a package yesterday, it seems to have gone awol | 02:18 |
| lifeless | Keybuk: any chance you can have a poke for me ? | 02:18 |
| lifeless | oh, nm, I was evidently smoking crack | 02:19 |
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| Keybuk | bddebian: right, but we ship those in our kernel packages | 02:19 |
| Keybuk | it could be a side-effect of merging from Debian | 02:19 |
| bddebian | Shit, I knew something would end up being incorrect | 02:20 |
| lifeless | infinity: whats should I file probably-kernel- bugs/wishlists on ? | 02:21 |
| Keybuk | they're all empty too :D | 02:21 |
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| Keybuk | heh, I wouldn't worry | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | this package is a mess | 02:22 |
| Keybuk | (from Debian) | 02:23 |
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| mdz | lifeless: depends on which kernel you're running | 02:33 |
| mdz | lifeless: for dapper, linux-source-2.6.15 (though expect to be asked to test on a newer kernel for hardware-specific issues) | 02:34 |
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| mjg59 | So, firefox | 02:40 |
| mjg59 | When did it stop accepting about:jwz ? | 02:40 |
| desrt | xrandr really is an odd thing | 02:40 |
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| desrt | this is freakin' awesome for coding | 02:43 |
| Burgwork | whip|lwe, ping | 02:43 |
| lifeless | mdz: i'm running dapper | 02:51 |
| lifeless | thanks | 02:51 |
| lifeless | the issues are not driver related - its oprofile | 02:51 |
| mdz | mjg59: maybe around the time that the (netscape.com) URL it redirected to went away | 02:54 |
| desrt | does anyone know of a way to do a split in vim and tie the two buffers together so that the one is always immediately below the other in the same file? | 02:54 |
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| mdz | mjg59: so do i understand correctly that I can just go ahead and have powernowd try ondemand first, and if that succeeds, quit and don't run the daemon? | 02:55 |
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| infinity | sabdfl: Pong. | 03:04 |
| mdz | he's left for the night | 03:05 |
| infinity | lifeless: Kernel wishlists for spiffy new features should generally be filed against the devel release (ie" linux-source-2.6.17), unless you really think it's something we can stuff into a stable update safely. | 03:05 |
| lifeless | infinity: well, one is a feature that we apparently have, but doesn't seem to work. The other would not affect the kernel - its just pulling out the debug data into a separate package for freaks like me | 03:06 |
| lifeless | -> ubuntu-kernel if you like | 03:06 |
| mdz | Keybuk: how is the init stuff looking? | 03:09 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Yes | 03:09 |
| mdz | mjg59: we're increasingly overloading the powernowd init script. yahoo | 03:10 |
| mdz | why does lists.ubuntu.com have no google juice at all? | 03:13 |
| tseng | google juice puts alot of weight on hyperlinks | 03:14 |
| tseng | but you would think one off ubuntu,com would be enough to get started.. | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | Results 1 - 10 of about 82 linking to lists.ubuntu.com. <-- low number of incoming links probably | 03:15 |
| mdz | searching for Ubuntu maliing list content turns up gmane, mail-archive, and loads of other stuff rather than lists.ubuntu.com | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | mdz: if someone took the time to make a google site map that would help TREMENDUSLY with googles rankins and links | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | mdz: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34654 | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | it would tell google to crawl it at an interval we set and what urls to crawl like the archives | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | kinda an advanced robots.txt | 03:19 |
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| jdub | oh, hrm. fglrx still doesn't work. | 03:39 |
| jdub | mjg59: free 3d is not doable on a Radeon Xpress 200M (RC410) ? | 03:40 |
| infinity | jdub: It will today, if I have anything to say about it. | 03:43 |
| jdub | sweet | 03:44 |
| jdub | in the mean time, i will dapperise a spare partition ;) | 03:44 |
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| poningru | can I annoy someone regarding which package to file a bug under? | 04:19 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: pretty good, should be in the archive before the sprint | 04:41 |
| Keybuk | am mostly testing atm | 04:41 |
| mdz | Keybuk: what does the upgrade process look like? | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | pretty minimal at the moment, it just replaces the key parts of sysvinit and runs /etc/init.d/rc N | 04:42 |
| Keybuk | so most things are unaffected | 04:42 |
| desrt | who's responsible for the single-instance-app framework? | 04:45 |
| desrt | i think i might want to use it in applets | 04:45 |
| desrt | zul; ARGH. hold on. | 04:51 |
| desrt | freenode is preventing me from /msg'ing you | 04:51 |
| zul | eh? | 04:51 |
| zul | maybe i have been blacklisted :) | 04:51 |
| desrt | no. it's just lilostupid | 04:51 |
| desrt | it's working now | 04:51 |
| infinity | iwj: Argh. Having firefox Depends on firefox-themes-ubuntu, but Breaks the only versoin available in the archive is a bit problematic. | 04:55 |
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| zul | night | 04:59 |
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| DShepherd | night | 05:01 |
| excitatory | so, i just tried to install the php4-mysql package.. dpkg tried to execute some kind of config file or something (judging by the dpkg output) out of /tmp/php4-mysql.config.157021 -- which doesn't make sense to me since i mount /tmp with noexec, as i'm sure most of you do. | 05:02 |
| excitatory | so like, is this an issue i would talk to the package maintainer about, file a bug, or shout at you guys in here about? | 05:03 |
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| LaserJock | excitatory: well, you could look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for the postinst script and see what it's doing | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | excitatory: but really #ubuntu (for dapper), #ubuntu+1 (for edgy), and #ubuntu-bugs are the more appropriate places :-) | 05:05 |
| excitatory | LaserJock: ok, sorry. ..and thank you for your help. | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | no problem | 05:07 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: is bootchart expected to be working in edgy? | 05:22 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I get no /dev/.bootchart, 'bootchart bottom' hanging around and no love | 05:22 |
| rodarvus | mdz, I've seen your email on removing Breaks: from packages until implementation is completed. xorg-server has Breaks: support for about two weeks now, and I haven't heard anything from users upgrading yet. Shall I remove it? | 05:23 |
| mdz | rodarvus: did you use it in place of a Conflicts or in addition to a Conflicts? | 05:24 |
| mdz | rodarvus: you should be able to tell from the email whether it will break in your circumstances | 05:24 |
| mdz | the problem is that apt may tell dpkg to install a package which would cause Breaks to be dissatisfied | 05:25 |
| rodarvus | xorg-server does not conflicts with the packages it breaks (only the replacement packages do) | 05:25 |
| rodarvus | xserver-xorg-video-* conflicts with xserver-xorg-driver-* | 05:25 |
| rodarvus | mdz, but yes, I think it might break apt upgrade | 05:26 |
| mdz | then it should probably be reverted for now | 05:26 |
| rodarvus | doing it now, thanks! | 05:26 |
| rodarvus | just wanted to get your official ack on that | 05:26 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I don't know of a reason it shouldn't ... it was certainly working a few days ago | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | mdz: w.r.t to the meeting, i would expect/hope to work with jono as well. | 05:26 |
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| Keybuk | mdz: just worked ok for me | 05:28 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: will try a more verbose boot | 05:29 |
| mdz | I get a "chdir: No such file or directory" from an init-bottom script | 05:29 |
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| mdz | no output from the bootchart script that I can see | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | sounds like your update-initramfs is broken/incomplete | 05:31 |
| mdz | I ran it by hand and watched it; it should surely be complete | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | try update-initramfs -u, etc. | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | hmm, and the bootchart script was run in the initramfs? | 05:31 |
| mdz | yes, there were processes running from it | 05:31 |
| mdz | which weren't killed because /dev/.bootchart didn't exist | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | that's odd | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | /dev/.bootchart is made by that script | 05:32 |
| mdz | indeed | 05:32 |
| mdz | nothing should have mounted over /dev later, right? | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | nope | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | mdz: assign or subscribe ubuntu-release for UVF exception? cdbs needs some fixes | 05:33 |
| mdz | ajmitch: subscribe, per DeveloperResources | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | then the wiki needs changed | 05:34 |
| mdz | hmm, worked on the second try with an identical initramfs | 05:37 |
| mdz | spooky | 05:37 |
| mike_zhang | who can show me a example of the database used by wanna-build? | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | mike_zhang: wrong channel, try a Debian channel (Ubuntu doesn't use wanna-build) | 05:44 |
| mike_zhang | but I want to setup a buildd daemon on dapper | 05:45 |
| mike_zhang | any suggestion? | 05:45 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:37 |
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| desrt | pitti; hello. | 07:40 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 07:40 |
| rodarvus | pitti, good morning | 07:43 |
| rodarvus | . o O ( about time I should go to bed ) | 07:43 |
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| pitti | heh, sleep well, guys! | 07:44 |
| desrt | pitti waking up is a good indicator for those in eastern standard time to go to bed :) | 07:44 |
| rodarvus | pitti, I won't give up so quickly ;) | 07:44 |
| rodarvus | I'm not no EST (UTC-3 here), so even worse | 07:44 |
| rodarvus | s/no/on/ | 07:44 |
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| pitti | moin mvo | 09:09 |
| pitti | mvo: I have an updated apt&friends system now; anything you want me to do for you? | 09:09 |
| mvo | hello pitti | 09:09 |
| mvo | pitti: could you plesae run (if you have 0.6.45ubuntu4): apt-get install --install-recommends --fix-policy ? | 09:10 |
| mvo | and see what it suggests | 09:10 |
| mvo | ? | 09:10 |
| pitti | whoa | 09:11 |
| mvo | a big list I guess :) ? | 09:12 |
| pitti | mvo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20644 | 09:12 |
| === pitti definitively does not want to add all this junk | ||
| pitti | mvo: however, the removed packages are a bit worrysome | 09:12 |
| mvo | yeah | 09:12 |
| mvo | those are pretty bad decisions from the resolver | 09:13 |
| pitti | mvo: dist-upgrade only wants to do that, BTW: | 09:13 |
| pitti | Die folgenden Pakete sind zurckgehalten worden: | 09:13 |
| pitti | hal-device-manager hpijs libgcj7-jar | 09:13 |
| pitti | 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 3 nicht aktualisiert. | 09:13 |
| mvo | this is what we would end up if we enable install-recommends as default | 09:13 |
| mvo | the recommends lists of some packages are pretty odd | 09:13 |
| mvo | e.g. nautilus recommends fam | 09:13 |
| pitti | mvo: IMHO, before we do that by default, we need to clean up recommends | 09:13 |
| mvo | -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true will give details what package requested what package | 09:14 |
| pitti | do you want that? | 09:14 |
| mvo | pitti: I totally agree, I think we should talk in wiesbaden about it | 09:14 |
| pitti | (output) | 09:14 |
| mvo | not now, thanks | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | mvo: the tahi thing preventing ubuntu-desktop from installing. Known? | 09:14 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: no, I will have a look | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | mvo: ttf-thai-t1wg | 09:15 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks for the output, I will write a mail to ubuntu-devel explaining about the new feature and that we will most likely have to discuss this again | 09:16 |
| Fujitsu | Is there a reason for Edgy's hal-device-manager to be displaying all PCI devices as `Unknown' now? | 09:18 |
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| mvo | Burgundavia: u-d seems to upgrade here, can I get put the output of "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true" to a pastebin please? | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | can do | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | mvo: pastebin.ca/132309 | 09:26 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: thanks | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | cheers | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | mvo: fyi: only main and restricted enabled | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | mvo: looks like it might be a gettext issue and doko might have just uploaded a fix | 09:28 |
| mvo | yeah, it looks like that is the root of the problem | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | right | 09:28 |
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| kagou | hi | 09:31 |
| pitti | hi kagou | 09:43 |
| kagou | hey pitti | 09:43 |
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| kagou | who do i ask for ubiquity proposition ? | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | kagou: what is your idea? | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | kagou: and btw, proposition is usually used to english to ask someone to marry you. Idea is used more commonly | 10:42 |
| StevenK | Maybe kagou does want to marry ubiquity. | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | in that case as the father err keybuck | 10:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | StevenK: he could, but it might be a very cold marriage | 10:43 |
| kagou | Burgundavia, searching bugs report on ubiquity crash on edgy i found 95 results. so i propose that when ubiquity crash, it show us the name of the process where it crash. (partitioning/formating/installing/configuring keyboard) ... | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | right, interesting idea | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion is the person to talk to, but he is currently on vacation | 10:44 |
| kagou | i must precise that 95 results with "ubiquity crash" as name is not very efficient :p | 10:44 |
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| imbrandon | kagou: although i'm sure he would entertain a patch too when he gets back to look over along with the idea ;) | 10:45 |
| kagou | i'm asking that also because as debsquad team member, it may help us a lot :) | 10:45 |
| kagou | thanks men, i will wait for Kamion | 10:46 |
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| mjg59 | jdub: Correct | 11:03 |
| mjg59 | jdub: (re: Radeon Xpress 200) | 11:03 |
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| Burgundavia | mjg59: one of these days I am going to update the fglrx page on the help wiki. Is there a good list somewhere of stuff that needs fglrx and stuff that can use r300? (and is that enabled by default for dapper or edgy?) | 11:07 |
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| sabdfl | mdz: is there an ethereal security review anywhere handy? | 11:10 |
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| Burgundavia | doko_: are we installing the gcjwebplugin by default? | 11:26 |
| doko_ | not yet | 11:27 |
| Burgundavia | does it still have the security issue of not being sandboxed? | 11:27 |
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| doko_ | the AccessController's are there, may need another update backport from the trunk/classpath-0.92 | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | right, just wondering | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | given Fedora was trumpeting their crap, figured I would find out, for marketing reasons | 11:32 |
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| iwj | infinity: Err, I meant to remove the Depends. | 11:46 |
| thom | mvo: with the DDTP enabled apt (ie, yesterday's) I'm seeing "dynamic mmap ran out of room" when i wasn't before, so I'm guessing the default Cache Limit needs to be bumped now | 11:46 |
| iwj | infinity: Yes, I've just checked and I removed the D@epends. | 11:46 |
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| mvo | thom: thanks! could you please /msg me your sources.list ? just to get a idea how big it is | 11:53 |
| thom | mvo: no problem | 11:53 |
| slomo | mvo: a friend of mine has the same problem | 11:54 |
| slomo | mvo: setting APT::Cache-Limit "141943904"; in apt.conf "fixes" it for him | 11:54 |
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| doko | mdz: "generic" ping | 12:00 |
| seb128 | doko: do you use gaim? :) | 12:00 |
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| doko | seb128: no, not really | 12:00 |
| seb128 | doko: do you have some account configured for it? I'm just curious to know if it crashes gdb for you too | 12:01 |
| doko | seb128: I'm still running dapper | 12:01 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 12:01 |
| ogra | hmm, no pitti ... | 12:02 |
| seb128 | who would be interested to track a gdb crasher with me? :) | 12:02 |
| doko | yeah, I should upgrade before the spring ... | 12:02 |
| ogra | doko, upgrade before the tulips bloom ;) | 12:03 |
| seb128 | doko: you have no edgy box at all? What are you doing since june? :p | 12:03 |
| mvo | slomo: thanks | 12:03 |
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| doko | seb128: awaiting the pango-upload-to unstable-before-seb-vacation and see how OOo breaks :p | 12:05 |
| antoine | seb128, tu vois grace a moi tu bosses :p | 12:05 |
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| infinity | iwj: I think something about the Breaks/Depends handling is causing it to not upgrade. | 12:06 |
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| infinity | iwj: I can't remove firefox-themes-ubuntu because the old firefox depends on it, and I can't install the new firefox because it breaks firefox-themes-ubuntu. | 12:06 |
| seb128 | doko: don't touch pango :p | 12:07 |
| seb128 | infinity: http://launchpad.net/bugs/56394 | 12:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56394 in firefox "Premature use of Breaks causes apt failure" [High,Confirmed] | 12:07 |
| infinity | iwj: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/argh.txt | 12:08 |
| infinity | seb128: Thanks. | 12:08 |
| seb128 | np | 12:08 |
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| pitti | hello again | 12:09 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | infinity: let me know if it works with no issues please | 12:09 |
| ogra | hey pitti | 12:09 |
| slomo | hi pitti :) | 12:09 |
| infinity | gnomefreak: "dpkg --force-depends -P firefox-themes-ubuntu" followed by "apt-get -f install" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" appears to do the trick. | 12:10 |
| gnomefreak | ok ill try it ty | 12:10 |
| ogra | pitti, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspmount.c | 12:10 |
| ogra | pitti, i'm not sure the execvl is ok ... but there we have a start from sbalneav | 12:11 |
| geser | I could get past this firefox breakage with sudo dpkg --auto-deconfigure -i /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.99+2.0b1+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | geser: no | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | geser: i tried everything to work around it except --force-depends and that seems to have worked | 12:14 |
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| pitti | hi ogra, moin slomo | 12:18 |
| pitti | slomo: you'll get your MIR review today, promised | 12:18 |
| pitti | ogra: I'll take a look at it | 12:18 |
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| slomo | pitti: thanks :) | 12:19 |
| pitti | ogra: what for? | 12:19 |
| pitti | fuse | 2.5.3-2.1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Sources | 12:19 |
| pitti | ogra: binary promotions for main sources are no problem, I always approve full sources | 12:20 |
| ogra | pitti, the fuse-utils binary package is in universe | 12:20 |
| ogra | oh, ok | 12:20 |
| ogra | and someone deleted my entries for ltspfs from the queue :/ | 12:21 |
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| pitti | ogra: how do you want feedback? inline quote with comments? | 12:22 |
| pitti | per mail? | 12:22 |
| pitti | ogra: or interactively via IRC? | 12:22 |
| ogra | pitti, as its convenient for you :) | 12:23 |
| pitti | I don't mind | 12:23 |
| pitti | I'll mail you then | 12:23 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:24 |
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| iwj | infinity: How annoying. I think we need to fix apt to pass -B to dpkg. | 12:34 |
| iwj | infinity: If you dpkg -iB firefox.deb it should work. | 12:35 |
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| mvo | iwj: just for every invocation of dpkg on "install"? | 12:36 |
| iwj | mvo: Yes. | 12:36 |
| iwj | Also, when it's done, it should dpkg --configure -a. (It has that stupid bug where it tries to configure only the needed things, and can't cope, anyway.) | 12:36 |
| iwj | But the former will be sufficient for the moment. | 12:36 |
| === iwj gets out the apt source. | ||
| mvo | iwj: if that -b is all there is I can do it now, I will have to merge any patch to my bzr repository anyway | 12:37 |
| iwj | -B, short for --auto-deconfigure. | 12:38 |
| thom | mvo: i want to talk to you about the https patches for apt at some point | 12:38 |
| iwj | mvo: If it's trivial for you to do it now then sure. But I need to do some other things to apt anyway. | 12:39 |
| mvo | thom: I have branch for this, it seems to be working for some people (also little testing so far) | 12:39 |
| thom | mvo: nod. just a shame about the license and the fact it uses stunnel, which seems a bit mad | 12:39 |
| mvo | iwj: its trivial for me, I would be interessted in what you plan to do | 12:40 |
| mvo | thom: yes, that is why it is not merged :) | 12:40 |
| mvo | thom: do you plan to work on it ? that would be awsome ! | 12:41 |
| iwj | mvo: Make apt want to upgrade things when Breaks is relevant. | 12:41 |
| thom | mvo: work really needs it, so i may well | 12:41 |
| mvo | thom: I was also considering to check a https based backend based on libcurl | 12:41 |
| iwj | Although if the firefox/ff-themes-ubuntu thing is an example that may not be quite right ... | 12:42 |
| thom | mvo: libcurl, or just gnutls with the existing http backend | 12:42 |
| mvo | iwj: I added --auto-deconfiure to "--unpack" now. I assume that is correct? or is it also needed with --configure? | 12:44 |
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| iwj | No, not needed with --configure. Thanks. | 12:46 |
| Riddell | ogra: do you have a bzr archive for hwdb-client? | 12:48 |
| ogra | yep | 12:48 |
| ogra | on people | 12:48 |
| iwj | pitti: Can I ask you some questions about mozilla-firefox-locale-all, which the ff2 broke ? | 12:49 |
| pitti | ogra: mailed you the review result | 12:49 |
| ogra | pitti, thanks :) | 12:49 |
| ogra | Riddell, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/hwdb-client/ | 12:49 |
| pitti | iwj: if it is 'will you update the langpacks?', then 'yes, ASAP' :) | 12:49 |
| pitti | iwj: sure, just go ahead | 12:50 |
| ogra | pitti, hmm, english would have been easier to forward to sbalneav :) but i'll translate | 12:51 |
| pitti | ogra: oh, didn't think of that; sorry | 12:51 |
| pitti | ogra: just do the first round of fixes, and in round 2 I'll write English | 12:51 |
| iwj | pitti: Oh, if you're doing it then thank you very much ... | 12:52 |
| iwj | I was just looking at it and I though `I'm bound to break it even worse if I mess with it'. | 12:52 |
| Riddell | ogra: for the kde frontend I'll probably split the package into hwdb-client-common, hwdb-client-kde and hwdb-client-gnome | 12:52 |
| Riddell | ogra: if that's ok | 12:52 |
| pitti | iwj: it put it on my list on Friday, just the usual EBUSY | 12:52 |
| ogra | Riddell, sure | 12:53 |
| iwj | pitti: Right, OK. Malone #56386. | 12:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56386 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "Needs update for Firefox 2.0" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56386 | 12:54 |
| iwj | (FYI) | 12:55 |
| iwj | Thanks a lot ... | 12:55 |
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| mvo | iwj: ok, done (in bzr now) | 12:55 |
| iwj | mvo: Thanks. | 12:56 |
| iwj | mvo: I don't see apt in BzrMaintainedPackages - does someone need to think about doing an upload ? | 12:57 |
| mvo | ogra: what do you think about a additional "hwdb-client-gtk" ? this would make xubuntu happy because IIRC/AFAIK they can't ship it because of the gnome-canvas dependency (or can they)? | 12:57 |
| iwj | Also, where is your bzr ? IWBN to be looking at the latest source. | 12:58 |
| ogra | i thought that was split out now | 12:58 |
| ogra | mvo, a hwdb client without canvas would mean a rewrite (of the frontend at least) | 12:58 |
| ogra | we talked about that ... | 12:58 |
| mvo | iwj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ | 12:59 |
| mvo | iwj: apt--ubuntu is my branch | 12:59 |
| mvo | iwj: I really need to put the apt package branch onto the main mirror :/ | 01:01 |
| ogra | pitti, do you mean we should drop the {become,drop}_root() functions completely from ltspmount ? | 01:02 |
| ogra | (thats at least how i understand the comment) | 01:02 |
| pitti | ogra: it does not make too much sense IMHO | 01:02 |
| pitti | ogra: you can keep them, of course, if you fix the real/effective bug | 01:03 |
| pitti | ogra: so that at least the getopt() call runs with euid != 0 | 01:03 |
| ogra | ok | 01:03 |
| iwj | mvo: NP. Do I want to be using your branch or something else ? | 01:03 |
| mvo | iwj: yeah, you probably want to use my branch (the apt--ubuntu) one | 01:04 |
| iwj | Right. | 01:04 |
| mvo | iwj: we could also branch if this is a bigger thing | 01:05 |
| mvo | iwj: and create a "apt--implement-breaks" branch | 01:05 |
| mvo | iwj: and then merge it back, that has the advantage that mering this feature into debians apt is easy | 01:06 |
| iwj | I'll read the source first and then decide. | 01:06 |
| mvo | s/is/will be/ | 01:06 |
| iwj | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ doesn't contain an apt--ubuntu subdirectory. | 01:06 |
| mvo | iwj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ubuntu/ | 01:07 |
| mvo | iwj: sorry | 01:07 |
| iwj | NP. | 01:08 |
| iwj | ian@anarres:/work/Dpkg-breaks-5/apt-bzr $ bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ubuntu/ | 01:09 |
| iwj | bzr: ERROR: '_Branch' object has no attribute '_branch_format' | 01:09 |
| iwj | ?? It's been a while since I tried to use bzr. Perhaps I'm doing it all wrong ... | 01:09 |
| mvo | iwj: does "bzr get" works on the same branch? | 01:10 |
| iwj | No, same message. | 01:10 |
| iwj | But I RTFM'd and `get' isn't in the FM any more ... | 01:10 |
| iwj | (If it ever was.) | 01:10 |
| iwj | My debug log says: | 01:12 |
| iwj | [ 3059] Tue 12:04:42.776 ERROR: Not a branch: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/apt/ | 01:12 |
| iwj | Oh, no, that was from before. | 01:12 |
| mvo | iwj: let me try to re-push my data | 01:13 |
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| iwj | How odd, I have some extremely old version of bzr which apt wasn't updating. | 01:26 |
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| iwj | mvo: Well, it's working now. Sorry to bother you. | 01:28 |
| mvo | iwj: no problem | 01:28 |
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| pitti | Fujitsu: thanks for spotting the hal problem, I fixed it this morning | 01:48 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks pitti :) | 01:54 |
| Fujitsu | What was the problem? | 01:55 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: wrong path to pci.ids | 01:55 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: in previous releases it was in /var/lib/misc, now it is in /usr/share/misc | 01:55 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | I suspected it had failed to locate the ID list. | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | How long ago is `this morning'? | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | That's 12 hours ago for me :P | 01:56 |
| pitti | Fujitsu: hum, 4 hours or so | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | hi pitti | 01:56 |
| === pitti apologizes for using weaklu defined time references | ||
| === pitti hugs Hobbsee, hi! | ||
| Fujitsu | That's the problem with long-distance communication >_< | 01:57 |
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti in return | ||
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: true. it would be much better if the world was flat. | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | remind me to change that, when i've taken over the world. that we all use one timezone. | 01:57 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: that was my idea! | 01:57 |
| ogra | oh, it isnt ? | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i know, i was going to give you credit for it in a second :) | 01:58 |
| Fujitsu | That was /my/ idea, pitti/Hobbsee/everybody. | 01:58 |
| Fujitsu | :P | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | no, it was pitti's idea. | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | i'll let pitti be one of my sidekicks when i take over the world. | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | he can fix bits of it | 02:00 |
| === pitti LGPLs the idea | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:01 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: oh, will I get my own dog kennel in your palace? | 02:03 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: sure :) you can have a bed in the spare bedroom, i fyou want | 02:05 |
| Fujitsu | It works much better now... Thanks pitti. | 02:10 |
| pitti | cool | 02:11 |
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| HiddenWolf | pitti: ping | 02:30 |
| pitti | hi HiddenWolf | 02:30 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: sorry to bug you, but on my dapper box hal just died, I was wondering how to diagnose it | 02:31 |
| HiddenWolf | failed to initialise on reboot, in fact | 02:31 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices, second half of the page describes the debugging procedure | 02:32 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: that 404's | 02:32 |
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| HiddenWolf | ah | 02:33 |
| HiddenWolf | nm | 02:33 |
| pitti | hm, WFM | 02:33 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: the comma did it. :) | 02:33 |
| pitti | xchat does not select it :) | 02:33 |
| HiddenWolf | xchat-gnome does | 02:33 |
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| HiddenWolf | Right, now it starts ok. :/ | 02:37 |
| infinity | irssi+gnome-termianl doesn't select the comma either. Embrace the console. :P | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | konversatoin does :( | 02:38 |
| === Hobbsee should file a bug abotu that. | ||
| Hobbsee | or maybe just whine at the maintainer about it | 02:39 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: isn't that what a bug report is all about? :) | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: true that. | 02:40 |
| === Hobbsee files tons of bugs for pitti to fix then. | ||
| Hobbsee | pitti: actually, i do want to pick your brains in a bit. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | once i've read the mailnig list | 02:40 |
| pitti | just give me some time to finish upgrading the firefox locales, then my brain is all your's | 02:41 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:42 |
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| Treenaks | Hobbsee: while laughing maniacally? | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: no, probably not... | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: not in an evil mood tonight | 02:44 |
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| lemsx1 | well, it seems it's true and XFS is broken in .17 kernels | 03:03 |
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| thom | lemsx1: current edgy seems fine with XFS, what are you seeing? | 03:04 |
| lemsx1 | thom: i open a bug about it yesterday with all the logs | 03:05 |
| lemsx1 | thom: but Otavio Salvador (Debian Developer) confirmed to me that XFS is indeed broken in .17 kernels | 03:05 |
| lemsx1 | thom: at least i didn't loose any data. i just couldn't mount the disk | 03:05 |
| thom | 56384? | 03:06 |
| lemsx1 | thom: yes | 03:07 |
| thom | well, as i said. xfs is working just peachily for me | 03:07 |
| thom | and see ben's comments on the bug | 03:07 |
| lemsx1 | i'm attaching the extra info | 03:07 |
| tseng | thom: you should whinge a whole bunch about it on planet debian | 03:07 |
| tseng | thom: latest meme | 03:07 |
| thom | tseng: seems that way yeah, i might whinge about reiser just to restore balance in the force | 03:08 |
| lemsx1 | thom: i'm guessing dmesg when using the offending kernel... | 03:09 |
| thom | lemsx1: yes | 03:09 |
| pitti | iwj: new ffox locales uploaded | 03:11 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ok, do you have any question for me? | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: sorry, havent read that far thru the mailing list yet | 03:12 |
| pitti | ok | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: basically, it's "how does kde/kubuntu-desktop integrate in with the automatic bug reporting stuff" but the answer to that may well be further down the list | 03:13 |
| tseng | is there any easy way to turn off the segfault catcher? | 03:14 |
| tseng | i was working on development | 03:14 |
| tseng | trying to fix my own crasher, and it was really slowing me down | 03:14 |
| tseng | really churns the box cold for some second every time | 03:14 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: I discussed that with Riddell | 03:22 |
| pitti | tseng: right now, only sudo /etc/init.d/apport stop, sorry | 03:22 |
| pitti | tseng: with our current approach, the kernel already dumped core before we can decide 'we do not want a report for this' | 03:22 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: so far he deemed the KDE crash reporter appropriate for edgy | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: cool. i never found out what the result was, and was just curious. | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes. i heard that | 03:23 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: as long as kubuntu-desktop depends on apport, you will still get non-KDE crash reports | 03:23 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: you'll just not have the apport-gtk frontend | 03:23 |
| pitti | but that's not that important | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: true that, i was more thinking of integrating kcrash, and all the extra information that it seems this new thing will collect, like versions etc, straight into LP | 03:24 |
| pitti | that still needs some brainwork | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: indeed. as in, brain work on how/if it should happen, or how to do it? | 03:26 |
| pitti | both | 03:26 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: the Gnome equivalent of kcrash is bug-buddy, and we'll disable it by default | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: right. | 03:26 |
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| iwj | pitti: locales> Thanks! | 03:42 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: feel like rebuilding debtags and adept? that should fix the breakage, i'm told. | 03:47 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: libapt-front first, i'm told | 03:58 |
| mvo_ | Hobbsee: I will take care of it | 03:58 |
| mvo_ | Hobbsee: I already patched/uploaded libapt-front | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | mvo_: oh cool. that's what i thought | 03:58 |
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| Hobbsee | mvo_: apt doenst seem to have irrecovably broke this time. thanks for that :) | 04:00 |
| mvo_ | pitti: can you please have a look at: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3901310/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.libapt-front_0.3.9ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz (could the failure be related to the new ddeb generation)? | 04:02 |
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| mvo_ | Hobbsee: heh :) | 04:02 |
| mvo_ | Hobbsee: apparently libapt-front is FTBFS :/ | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | mvo_: i dont mind breakage that much. but i *do* mind apt breaking, as tha'ts kinda hard to recover from. | 04:02 |
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| wasabi | xkb problems. Looks like g-settings-d can't set the config. | 04:03 |
| wasabi | Not too familiar with this process. | 04:03 |
| wasabi | Probably it's running xmodmap or equivilent in the background? | 04:03 |
| mvo_ | infinity: any clue about http://librarian.launchpad.net/3901310/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.libapt-front_0.3.9ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz? | 04:07 |
| Kaleo|dodo | rodarvus: there is something wrong with the lookup path of binaries linked dynamically with libGL I think | 04:08 |
| Kaleo|dodo | rodarvus: bug 54858 still | 04:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54858 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "3d acceleration broken in Edgy Knot 1" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54858 | 04:10 |
| infinity | mvo_: Well, other than "It's pitti's fault", I'm not immediately familiar with the failure. | 04:10 |
| infinity | pitti: See mvo's pasted log. | 04:10 |
| mvo_ | infinity: that is good enough for me, thanks | 04:10 |
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| rodarvus | Kaleo|dodo, how strange. | 04:23 |
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| rodarvus | Kaleo|dodo, is dri working for you, without workarounds? | 04:24 |
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| Kaleo | no | 04:25 |
| Kaleo | only with the symlink | 04:25 |
| rodarvus | it started working on the only test machine I have here, after the latest mesa upload) | 04:25 |
| Kaleo | interesting | 04:25 |
| Kaleo | I should wipeout the system and try with a fresh install | 04:25 |
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| Kaleo | rodarvus: eek, it's going to take hours | 04:31 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: any ideas to make sure that we have a bug ? | 04:31 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: concerning AIGLX and compiz, I have made some progress | 04:33 |
| rodarvus | we have a bug. the real subject here is if its a bug in the source code (this would be an important bug), or in the upgrade scripts, which are failing to detect your machine (and possibly others) are missing a link | 04:33 |
| sbalneav | pitti: pingie, two secs? | 04:33 |
| rodarvus | Kaleo, dri and aiglx basically work here | 04:33 |
| rodarvus | (on a freshly installed machine) | 04:34 |
| rodarvus | freshly == about one week ago | 04:34 |
| Kaleo | I see | 04:35 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: what procedure should I follow ? | 04:36 |
| rodarvus | unfortunately, I need spending 100% of my time on other subject, right now (preparation to the sprint, next week, and edubuntu administrativia) | 04:36 |
| rodarvus | so, any help figuring out whats the issue exactly is muchly appreciated | 04:37 |
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| rodarvus | Kaleo, try purging libgl1-mesa-dri from your system | 04:37 |
| rodarvus | (+ any links you added manually) | 04:37 |
| rodarvus | then reinstall it | 04:37 |
| rodarvus | it would also be helpful to test the following situations, if at all possible: | 04:38 |
| rodarvus | 1. fresh edgy installation | 04:38 |
| rodarvus | 2. upgrade from dapper | 04:38 |
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| rodarvus | lunch time, bbl | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | rodarvus: enjoy :) | 04:40 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: have a good meal | 04:41 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: purging libgl1-mesa-dri and reinstalling it does not provide /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so that glxgears is looking for | 04:41 |
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| rodarvus | ahn | 04:42 |
| rodarvus | gotcha | 04:42 |
| rodarvus | Kaleo, try running xmoto instead of glxgears | 04:42 |
| rodarvus | I bet mesa-utils just needs to be recompiled | 04:42 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: seems ok | 04:43 |
| rodarvus | :) | 04:44 |
| Kaleo | oh | 04:44 |
| Kaleo | actually no | 04:44 |
| Kaleo | libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so failed | 04:44 |
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| pitti | sbalneav: pong | 04:47 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | Kamion: I have a problem with a iso-image created with cdimage. I have modified seeds and added some own packages. Now, when I try to install from this CD, installastion fails with "No installable kernel found... " | 04:47 |
| pitti | mvo_: yes, that's my bug | 04:47 |
| pitti | mvo_: I'll reproduce it locally and fix it | 04:47 |
| pitti | QuestionMarkCoun: FYI, Kamion is on vac this week | 04:47 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | oh ups... | 04:48 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | anybody else here, who knows cdimage? | 04:48 |
| sbalneav | pitti: Hey! Great, sorry that code got sent to you so early! It wasn't ready yet. Thanks for the tips, I've fixed about all of them, but i'm a little unclear on what you'd like to see for the setuid stuff | 04:48 |
| pitti | sbalneav: I don't want to prescribe you anything | 04:48 |
| ogra | pitti, but you need to approve it :P | 04:49 |
| pitti | sbalneav: the become/drop_root() functions, when done properly, are nice for catching errors | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | Dude, I bow to your superior skills. I'll do whatever you suggest! :) | 04:49 |
| pitti | sbalneav: so, by all means, keep them | 04:49 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | but I think my problem is not directly cdimage. I assume it has something to do ith gpg | 04:49 |
| pitti | sbalneav: I just wanted to make sure that these are not security enhancements | 04:49 |
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| pitti | sbalneav: dance on the Las Vegas skyscraper tower at midnight, naked, with pom poms! | 04:50 |
| thom | haha | 04:50 |
| === pitti tests how far he can go with the 'whatever you suggest' | ||
| ogra | but record it please so we can put it on planet.ubuntu.com ;) | 04:50 |
| pitti | hey thom! | 04:50 |
| thom | hey mate :-) | 04:51 |
| pitti | ogra: I actually thought it to become the edgy CD example video | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | Errr, ok. :) | 04:51 |
| ogra | haha | 04:51 |
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| ogra | and Hobbsees | 04:51 |
| pitti | sbalneav: I'll write the next audit in English, sorry | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | hah, yeah | 04:51 |
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| QuestionMarkCoun | where can I find information, how to setup my own gpg keyring for signing my cd? | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | pitti: So, you're thinking I only need full root for the mount command, and just euid = 0 for the mkdir? Am I getting that correct? | 04:52 |
| pitti | infinity: oh, btw, before you lart me for the coreutils FTBFS, I know about it, and it'll be fixed soon | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | I'll be blunt: I've never actually written an suid program before. All of my code's either been totally userspace, or totally root :) | 04:53 |
| pitti | sbalneav: don't worry, we'll get it solid enough soon | 04:53 |
| pitti | sbalneav: shall I send you a translated version of the audit, or will ogra do the first round fix? | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | ok, let touch up one or two more things, and I'll send you v0.2 | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | I'm already fixing round one. | 04:54 |
| ogra | pitti, he's to fast for me | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | Just tryn' to help my buddy ogra :) | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | pitti@ubunut.com? | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | ubuntu? | 04:55 |
| pitti | sbalneav: @ubuntu.com | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | k, gimme 10 | 04:55 |
| pitti | mvo_: ah, I think I have a potential candidate for the break: | 04:55 |
| pitti | Package: apt-index-watcher | 04:55 |
| pitti | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} ${misc:Depends} | 04:55 |
| pitti | mvo_: there's no comma, that might confuse pkg-create-dbgsym | 04:55 |
| pitti | if that's valid syntax, I'll fix it | 04:55 |
| infinity | It's not valid syntax. | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | QuestionMarkCoun: try !gpg | 04:58 |
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| pitti | mvo_: saw above comment? | 05:02 |
| Kaleo | rodarvus: some interesting stuff added to bug 54858 | 05:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54858 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "3d acceleration broken in Edgy Knot 1" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54858 | 05:02 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | !gpg | 05:02 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | ?? | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | QuestionMarkCoun: in a channel with ubotu in it | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | QuestionMarkCoun: anything with ! in front of it is a bot command - usually a factoid | 05:03 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | sorry... i am not using irc often | 05:03 |
| doko | infinity, cprov: please requeue ecj-bootstrap on amd64 | 05:06 |
| cprov | infinity: around yet ? | 05:06 |
| infinity | cprov: Yeah, I'm here, I'm on it... | 05:06 |
| infinity | (Well, actually, I'll be doing a mass-give-back, but that's sort of the same as "on it") | 05:07 |
| cprov | infinity: tks | 05:07 |
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| sbalneav | pitti: ogra: sent. | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | *cough*LVM support in edgy kernel*cough* | 05:15 |
| HiddenWolf | LaserJock: i've been running lvm's since hoary at least. :) | 05:18 |
| cbx33 | hi guys, I did an upgrade the other night, and upon rebooting lost all network devices | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but edgy's kernel doesn't appear to have it | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, I've gotten the kill stuff working in scp :D | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | HiddenWolf: i.e. bug 54189 | 05:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54189 in Ubuntu "LVM support forgotten in newest kernel update?" [Untriaged,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54189 | 05:20 |
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| zul | LaserJock: it shouldnt have disappeared something other must have been broken | 05:23 |
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| matt_ | Kamion: We spoke a while ago about some changes to preseeds. I was wondering if you could answer a question of mine regarding udebs. Is there a specification for udebs? How is the debian installer instructed on what udebs to load? How could I create a udeb that stars after disk-detect but before partman runs? I have dug around in the initrd stuff and some other udeb code, but I have to admit that I am a bit lost. | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | zul: true. I needed to change root= in grub to /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root to get my box to boot | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | zul: I'm not sure what would be responsible for that | 05:24 |
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| elmo | matt_: kamion is on holiday | 05:26 |
| matt_ | Ah, can anyone answer this question? ;-) | 05:30 |
| matt_ | From what I have seen, udebs and related things are not well documented, if at all; and the only people who would be expected to understand their functioning in the d-i framework is the developers themselves. | 05:31 |
| pitti | zul: ah, I just tracked down and fixed the cause of the xen-3.0 FTBFS and also added a test suite check for it | 05:41 |
| zul | pitti: ah thanks.. | 05:43 |
| desrt | there is no dana; only zul! | 05:43 |
| pitti | zul: I'll tell you when the fixed pkg-create-dbgsym is in the archive | 05:43 |
| pitti | zul: the current version seems to be stuck anyway | 05:43 |
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| zul | pitti: yeah it is :( | 05:46 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: got a minute? | 05:46 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: yes | 05:47 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: I'm still having issues with hal on my freshly-installed dapper box. usbsticks mount fine, but my cdrom seems to be owned by root. | 05:47 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: cdrom == the device node /dev/whatever, or the mounted fs? | 05:48 |
| HiddenWolf | the mounted fs | 05:48 |
| HiddenWolf | I popped in a dvd, it doesn't show up for my user, but it does when I sudo nautilus | 05:48 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: is it a real CD, or a DVD with UDF? | 05:48 |
| pitti | ah | 05:48 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: UDF has real permissions, and does not like uid/gid mount options | 05:49 |
| pitti | I'm afraid there is no quickfix for that | 05:49 |
| HiddenWolf | Can i work around it? | 05:50 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: do you have pmount 0.9.12 (edgy) or dapper? | 05:51 |
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| pitti | HiddenWolf: I did a small fix to 0.9.12 which should help a little (loosen umask) | 05:52 |
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| HiddenWolf | pitti: I'm running a pretty virgin dapper | 05:52 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: my usb-drive just stopped mounting too. | 05:52 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: hm, oh, wait, the DVD drive is certainly in /etc/fstab? | 05:53 |
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| HiddenWolf | nor a real cd | 05:53 |
| HiddenWolf | yes, it is | 05:53 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 05:53 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: ok, in the fstab case, pmount cannot do anything | 05:53 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 05:53 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: you might try to add 'umask=000' to the CD-ROM's option list in fstab | 05:53 |
| pitti | seb128: go away, you have a holiday! :) | 05:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm not around to work, don't worry ;) | 05:54 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: I guess hal is choking totally now | 05:54 |
| seb128 | pitti: I just joined IRC to speak to a friend ;) | 05:54 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: just plugged a pendrive in my usb hub, and it doesn't come up | 05:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: though, if you want to debug gdb with me I would not say no :p | 05:55 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: but mounted as root | 05:55 |
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| pitti | HiddenWolf: hm, sorry for that; can you please do the debugging steps on that wiki page and open a bug or mail me the logs? | 05:55 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: which mail would you prefer, I can mail them now. | 05:55 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: martin.pitt@ubuntu.com | 05:55 |
| HiddenWolf | coming right up | 05:56 |
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| pitti | mvo_: bah, I'm just modifying pkg-create-dbgsym to cope with the previous Depends: line | 06:01 |
| pitti | mvo_: but well, that cannot hurt anyway | 06:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm wondering if something is not breaking -dbg packages | 06:02 |
| seb128 | pitti: is there any known issue? | 06:02 |
| pitti | not known to me at least | 06:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 06:03 |
| pitti | seb128: you mean the -dbg packages do not work any more? | 06:03 |
| pitti | or some of them? | 06:03 |
| seb128 | because I've libglib2.0-0-dbg and nautilus-dbg and I got some crasher with no debug for those | 06:03 |
| seb128 | some | 06:03 |
| seb128 | $ gdb -p $(pidof nautilus) | 06:03 |
| seb128 | ... | 06:03 |
| seb128 | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.1...done. | 06:04 |
| seb128 | ... | 06:04 |
| pitti | seb128: I have some special code in pkg-create-dbgsym that should make sure not to break *-dbg | 06:04 |
| seb128 | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. | 06:04 |
| seb128 | and I've nautilus-dbg installed | 06:04 |
| pitti | seb128: however, I'll add a test suite check for that case | 06:04 |
| mvo_ | pitti: oh, sorry. I was assuming that you would only do it if it was actually legal syntax | 06:04 |
| pitti | mvo: well, it's not really, but since the package builds without pkg-create-dbgsym, I thought I'd fix it anyway :) | 06:05 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll try that on my box in some minutes | 06:05 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, thank you | 06:05 |
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| pitti | mvo: hmm, it seems pretty tough to convince dpkg-gencontrol to ignore this Depends: line; I think I'll defer that, now that you fixed it anyway | 06:09 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 06:09 |
| mvo | pitti: fine with me | 06:09 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: right, I'm going to stop bugging you, a reboot pretty much fixed it, save for the dvd. Only one question, I only have a haldaemon group, but no hal group, which debuggingremovabledevices mentions | 06:10 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: that's fine; I'll update the wiki page for 'haldaemon' | 06:10 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: excuse me for the trouble, and thank you. | 06:11 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: no worries, I didn't do anything :) | 06:11 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: does the umask=000 trick help? | 06:11 |
| iwj | Right, well, I've found the bug that make firefox-themes-ubuntu fail to break utterly. | 06:11 |
| HiddenWolf | pitti: commenting out the drive in /etc/fstab did it. | 06:11 |
| pitti | HiddenWolf: hah, pmount to the rescue :) | 06:12 |
| iwj | I wish there was a nice way to predict what apt will do. | 06:12 |
| bddebian | Prayer? | 06:12 |
| pitti | iwj: you mean the Breaks: field? | 06:12 |
| mdz | doko: pong | 06:15 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, at least my small demo package which produces a -dbg works fine | 06:16 |
| mdz | sabdfl: ethereal security? a contradiction in terms, I'd say | 06:16 |
| pitti | hey mdz | 06:16 |
| pitti | mdz: :) | 06:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: what do you call "works fine"? | 06:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: does nautilus-dbg from the archive works fine? | 06:16 |
| pitti | seb128: if I install the -dbg, I get symbols | 06:16 |
| pitti | seb128: trying nautilus now | 06:17 |
| mdz | pitti: morning | 06:18 |
| ogra | hmm | 06:18 |
| ogra | debian drops netkit-inetd ? | 06:18 |
| elmo | mdz: it's in main :-P | 06:18 |
| elmo | mdz: (that's why sabdfl was asking) | 06:18 |
| mvo | iwj: do you know http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/model.pdf? | 06:18 |
| ogra | in favor of openbsd-inetd | 06:18 |
| ogra | do we follow that path ? | 06:18 |
| pitti | elmo: which package, ethereal? god beware... | 06:18 |
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| pitti | Hey Keybuk, how are you? | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Heya Keybuk | 06:19 |
| Keybuk | "morning" | 06:19 |
| elmo | james@drescher:/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386$ zgrep "Package: wireshark" Packages.gz | 06:19 |
| elmo | Package: wireshark | 06:19 |
| elmo | pitti: ^-- | 06:19 |
| pitti | seb128: I installed nautilus-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg and now I get nice backtraces | 06:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: hum, k, so that's local b0rkage probably :/ | 06:20 |
| seb128 | sight | 06:20 |
| pitti | elmo: arrgh, who put it there? | 06:20 |
| pitti | Keybuk: may it be that you accidentally put wireshark into main when you NEWed it? | 06:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: how do you get it crashing? | 06:20 |
| Keybuk | pitti: it wasn't accidental | 06:20 |
| pitti | seb128: I didn't, I just attached gdb and bt'ed | 06:20 |
| Keybuk | pitti: wireshark is just ethereal renamed, and ethereal was in main already | 06:20 |
| pitti | Keybuk: there is no MIR, and I would have never approved it | 06:20 |
| pitti | Keybuk: certainly not, it's in universe in all stables | 06:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: gdb -p PID | 06:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: it does "Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1... | 06:21 |
| seb128 | (no debugging symbols found)...done." | 06:21 |
| pitti | seb128: gdb /usr/bin/nautilus `pidof nautilus` | 06:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: instead of | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | pitti: that's odd | 06:21 |
| seb128 | "Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0.1590.1...done." | 06:21 |
| seb128 | for libgnomeui-dbg by example | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | pitti: it certainly wasn't yesterday | 06:21 |
| mdz | elmo: inadvertently | 06:21 |
| Keybuk | ethereal | 0.99.2-5ubuntu1 | edgy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | or today | 06:22 |
| Keybuk | definitely in main | 06:22 |
| pitti | Keybuk: can you please fix it? I will be etherealny thankful to you :) | 06:23 |
| pitti | s/fix/demote again/ | 06:23 |
| pitti | seb128: Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0...done. | 06:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, so just my box having the issue, weird | 06:24 |
| pitti | seb128: dpkg -L nautilus-dbg|grep extension shows the debug symbols for me; for you? | 06:24 |
| Keybuk | pitti: doesn't seem to be seeded or dependend on by anything *shrug* | 06:24 |
| Keybuk | sure | 06:24 |
| pitti | Keybuk: right, it's in anastacia | 06:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83K 2006-08-08 17:50 /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0 | 06:24 |
| Keybuk | how weird | 06:24 |
| Keybuk | it must have been a dep or something at some point | 06:24 |
| pitti | seb128: if you go into gdb and do 'symbol-file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0', what happens? | 06:25 |
| seb128 | (gdb) symbol-file /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0 | 06:25 |
| seb128 | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0...done. | 06:25 |
| seb128 | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". | 06:25 |
| pitti | seb128: objdump -h /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0|grep debuglink | 06:27 |
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| seb128 | $ objdump -x /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so | grep .gnu_debuglink | 06:27 |
| seb128 | 22 .gnu_debuglink 00000024 00000000 00000000 000069b8 2**0 | 06:27 |
| seb128 | what I was just looking at | 06:27 |
| pitti | hm, looks fine | 06:27 |
| seb128 | yeah :/ | 06:27 |
| pitti | seb128: if you apt-get install --reinstall the library and -dbg, does it still happen? (maybe it's shadowed by a local build) | 06:27 |
| pitti | seb128: i. e. a CRC mismatch | 06:27 |
| pitti | seb128: you might have one package dpkg -i'ed from a local build and the other from archive.u.c</wild speculation> | 06:28 |
| seb128 | trying that now | 06:28 |
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| seb128 | pitti: | 06:29 |
| seb128 | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnautilus-extension.so.1.1.0...done. | 06:29 |
| seb128 | that fixed it :) | 06:29 |
| seb128 | thank you | 06:29 |
| pitti | \o/ | 06:29 |
| pitti | seb128: *hug* | 06:29 |
| seb128 | I didn't know there was not sore of verification | 06:29 |
| === seb128 hugs pitti | ||
| seb128 | s/sore/sort | 06:29 |
| pitti | seb128: the .gnu.debuglink has a CRC32 checksum | 06:29 |
| === ogra thinks seb128 has a weird sense of "having non work related conversations with a friend" :) | ||
| === pitti finds it funny to debug debugging | ||
| ogra | heh | 06:30 |
| seb128 | ogra: yeah, enough time between replies to chat on that chan too :p | 06:31 |
| ogra | hehe | 06:31 |
| ogra | excuses | 06:31 |
| seb128 | pitti: ah? maybe want to debug bug #56391 then? :p | 06:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56391 in gdb "on edgy gdb crashes on xchat-gnome or gaim (by example)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56391 | 06:31 |
| ogra | admit, youre addicted to coding | 06:31 |
| pitti | seb128: *sigh* | 06:31 |
| seb128 | ogra: that's not really "coding" :) | 06:31 |
| ogra | :) | 06:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: joke aside that bug is no fun, I can't attach xchat-gnome or gaim or .. to gdb on edgy | 06:32 |
| pitti | seb128: gdb /usr/bin/gaim `pidof gaim` works just fine here, kthxbye :-P | 06:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you connect to a network? | 06:32 |
| pitti | seb128: seriously, that's strange, too; what happens? | 06:32 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, ICQ and jabber | 06:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: dunno, gdb gaim crashes gdb when connecting to a server | 06:33 |
| seb128 | does the same on the xchat-gnome crasher I described | 06:33 |
| pitti | well, I'm not connecting to a server *right now*, but I am connected | 06:33 |
| seb128 | it was doing the same on update-manager when it crashed on previous apt ABI change | 06:33 |
| pitti | seb128: let me attach gdb, disconnect and connect again | 06:33 |
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| seb128 | pitti: attaching a running gaim is fine | 06:34 |
| pitti | *shrug* works just fine | 06:34 |
| pitti | maybe an i386 specific problem? | 06:35 |
| Chipzz | seb128: I just tried attaching to a running nautilus; it worked (although my edgy install hasn't been updated in 2 or 3 days, if that matters) | 06:35 |
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| seb128 | pitti: disconnecting and reconnecting doesn't crash it | 06:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: gdb gaim, (gdb) run does when using autoconnect | 06:35 |
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| seb128 | pitti: might be | 06:36 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I misinterpreted your 'is fine' as 'will reproduce the bug', not as 'will not cause the bug' | 06:36 |
| seb128 | ah | 06:36 |
| seb128 | doko made me rebuild gdb with -fno-stack-protector some time ago but it makes no difference | 06:37 |
| seb128 | the dapper gdb does a "thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error" but doesn't crash | 06:37 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, I did gdb /usr/bin/gaim, now gaim connected to both icq and jabber | 06:38 |
| pitti | what now? | 06:38 |
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| seb128 | nothing, on my box that hangs for some seconds and I get a "gdb crashed" apport dialog ;) | 06:38 |
| pitti | I can ^C, bt, cont | 06:38 |
| seb128 | k, you don't get the issue then :/ | 06:39 |
| pitti | :-( | 06:39 |
| seb128 | I'll try to find some other way to get it | 06:40 |
| pygi | pitti, poke? :) | 06:45 |
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| pygi | k3b burns cd's with libburn :) | 06:45 |
| pitti | cool! | 06:45 |
| pitti | pygi: you modified k3b to use libburn? | 06:45 |
| pygi | pitti, why should I? | 06:45 |
| pitti | pygi: or did you write a fronted for libburn that looks like cdrecord? | 06:46 |
| pygi | the libburn-on-cdrecord layer I was talking to you about | 06:46 |
| ogra | an ugly mask ? | 06:46 |
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| pitti | pygi: I'm just wondering, because k3b does not depend on libburn-1 | 06:46 |
| pygi | ogra, will just make transition easier, for now | 06:46 |
| pygi | pitti, well, ofcourse it doesn't :) | 06:47 |
| ogra | pygi, i know ... | 06:48 |
| pitti | pygi: btw, is the libburn that's currently in the archive (and didn't change since hoary) the same libburn you are working on? or a different project? | 06:48 |
| seb128 | pitti: | 06:48 |
| seb128 | "Stacktrace: | 06:49 |
| seb128 | (no debugging symbols found) | 06:49 |
| seb128 | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1"." | 06:49 |
| seb128 | for an evolution crasher | 06:49 |
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| pygi | pitti, depends on how you look at it... the old upstream stopped development two years ago (altought they claim differently), and they say it's still being developed...so I just took it, and started working on it | 06:50 |
| seb128 | with a almost 40M coredump | 06:50 |
| pygi | Derek (as of old upstream) called it fork, but whatever | 06:50 |
| pitti | pygi: ah, ok | 06:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: sorry for flooding you with different issues ;) | 06:50 |
| pygi | pitti, it'll probably replace the old version in debian archive once we release 0.2.1 | 06:50 |
| pitti | seb128: no problem, what's the issue here? | 06:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: how come that a 40M coredump gives no bt? :) | 06:50 |
| seb128 | "Stacktrace: | 06:51 |
| seb128 | (no debugging symbols found) | 06:51 |
| seb128 | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". | 06:51 |
| seb128 | ThreadStacktrace: | 06:51 |
| seb128 | (no debugging symbols found) | 06:51 |
| seb128 | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1"." | 06:51 |
| seb128 | that's what the it has for it | 06:51 |
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| pitti | seb128: hm, strange | 06:51 |
| seb128 | -rw------- 1 seb128 seb128 40M 2006-08-15 18:47 /var/crash/_usr_bin_evolution-2.8.1000.crash | 06:51 |
| pitti | seb128: this is a recent crash, i. e. with kernel 2.6.17-6? | 06:51 |
| pitti | oh, apparently | 06:51 |
| seb128 | it happens 1 min ago | 06:51 |
| seb128 | my evo just crashed :p | 06:51 |
| ne78 | Does the the current version of edgy support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap in its opengl library ? | 06:51 |
| seb128 | happened | 06:51 |
| slomo | pygi: replace what? cdrecord? | 06:51 |
| pygi | slomo, no, no, libburn :) | 06:52 |
| pitti | seb128: can you please try 'apport-retrace -s /var/crash/_usr_bin_evolution-2.8.1000.crash'? | 06:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: I got the evolution crashed dialog twice, maybe they conflicted? | 06:52 |
| pitti | twice? interesting, another bug | 06:52 |
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| slomo | pygi: ok :) they're talking about removing cdrecord currently btw and replacing it with something else... | 06:52 |
| pygi | slomo, who? that might be interesting :) | 06:52 |
| slomo | pygi: debian | 06:53 |
| pygi | slomo, links, people, anything useful pls? :) | 06:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: could be nice if /var/log/apport.log could list the binary name of the crash too | 06:53 |
| slomo | pygi: woo... one moment :) | 06:53 |
| pitti | seb128: bzr head does that now | 06:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: what is "apport-retrace -s /var/crash/_usr_bin_evolution-2.8.1000.crash" supposed to do? | 06:54 |
| pitti | seb128: 0.11 has quite a few fixes already; I just want to finish one (quite big) before I upload it | 06:54 |
| seb128 | /var/crash/_usr_bin_evolution-2.8.1000.crash has still no bt | 06:54 |
| pitti | seb128: it takes the core from the report and calls gdb again | 06:54 |
| slomo | pygi: hm, it's on debian-devel... but the ml-archives are outdated :( | 06:55 |
| pygi | slomo, ok, so could you please quickly fill me in on current situation? :) | 06:55 |
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| slomo | pygi: unfortunately not ;) i didn't read the complete thread... at least it is decided to remove joerg schilling's version from the archive but it was still discussed how to replace it | 06:56 |
| pitti | seb128: I guess I'll write another tool that extracts the coredump from a report and saves it into a file for further examination | 06:57 |
| pygi | slomo, point me at least to someone who might know? | 06:57 |
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| seb128 | pitti: yeah, I was just trying to do that by hand :p | 06:57 |
| pitti | seb128: it's three lines of python, I can quickly tell you if you want | 06:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes please :) | 06:58 |
| seb128 | I just want to try to attach gdb to it by hand | 06:58 |
| bddebian | Has libiec61883-dev not hit the archives yet? | 06:58 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: hmm? | 06:58 |
| Keybuk | I only just NEW'd it, I wouldn't expect it yet | 06:58 |
| slomo | bddebian: binary NEW last time i looked | 06:59 |
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| bddebian | Hmm, I thought it got accepted yesterday, sorry | 06:59 |
| seb128 | bddebian: src != binary | 06:59 |
| bddebian | Aye | 06:59 |
| slomo | pygi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377109 <-- the corresponding bugreport with much discussion about the license problems... | 07:01 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 377109 in cdrtools "cdrtools: GPL violation - makefiles distributed under non-GPL-compatible license" [Serious,Open] | 07:01 |
| iwj | pitti: Yes, I mean about Breaks. | 07:02 |
| slomo | pitti: shouldn't the stuff in /var/crash also contain backtraces? it doesn't for me... is there something special needed to get them? | 07:02 |
| pygi | slomo, oh, joerg again! | 07:02 |
| iwj | mvo: Burrows> No, I hadn't. Not sure I want to ... | 07:02 |
| pitti | slomo: it should, yes, if you have kernel 2.6.17-6 | 07:02 |
| pitti | slomo: do you? | 07:03 |
| slomo | pitti: ok, reboot :) | 07:03 |
| slomo | brb | 07:03 |
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| pygi | slomo, Eduard ^_^ | 07:12 |
| pygi | slomo, he's being the one very interested in libburn ^_^ | 07:12 |
| mdz | mvo: eek! --fix-policy --install-recommends -> 4 upgraded, 126 newly installed, 11 to remove and 12 not upgraded. | 07:12 |
| mdz | mvo: looks like we have some recommends cleanup to do :-) | 07:13 |
| slomo | hm, i get exim4 and tetex as recommends somewhere =) | 07:14 |
| pitti | mdz: welcome to the world of sane dependencies :/ | 07:15 |
| mdz | a lot of packages seem to recommend their documentation | 07:17 |
| iwj | I think that's pretty much SOP in Debian ... | 07:17 |
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| ogra | mdz, debian plans to drop netkit-inetd it seems in favor of openbsd-inetd (universe currently) do we want to follow that path in edgy ? or postpone it ? | 07:31 |
| mdz | ogra: it would be nice, but surely you have enough to do already | 07:32 |
| ogra | do you think thats more than a MiR ? | 07:32 |
| ogra | according to vagrantc who looked closer the configs are 100% compatible | 07:33 |
| ogra | so there should be no issues in just replacing one with the other | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | ogra: I didn't think we shipped an inetd anymore? | 07:35 |
| ogra | Keybuk, edubuntu does (we ship ltsp by default) | 07:36 |
| Keybuk | probably not worth the effort? in edgy+1 we should be able to use upstart for that | 07:36 |
| ogra | and currently netkit-inetd is the only one we support in main | 07:36 |
| tseng | pitti: apport stop is no problem, thanks alot! | 07:37 |
| ogra | well, i doubt they will drop it before edgy release ... | 07:37 |
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| mdz | ogra: apt-cache showpkg netkit-inetd | 07:40 |
| ogra | argh, right | 07:41 |
| ogra | sorry then ... lets wait for debia to do that work for us :) | 07:41 |
| ogra | *debian | 07:41 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:41 |
| mdz | ogra: and we have both netkit-inetd and xinetd in main | 07:41 |
| ogra | oh | 07:42 |
| ogra | i always thought xinetd was in universe ... i admit i never checked | 07:42 |
| mdz | lamont: surely postfix shouldn't recommend resolvconf, at most suggest it | 07:44 |
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| mdz | zul: xen-edgy still has status Unknown in launchpad; would you update that to an accurate value? | 07:46 |
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| zul | mdz: sure | 07:51 |
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| sabdfl | thom: those x60 issues resolved? | 08:08 |
| thom | sabdfl: not rebooted the new kernel actually | 08:09 |
| sabdfl | ok, if i'm back in a minute or two, all's well :-) | 08:09 |
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| thom | hrrm, that's not looking good | 08:16 |
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| thom | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2162306/first-open-source-java-promised | 08:17 |
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| mc44 | haha I see all the "fun" packages are up for maintainence at http://www.ubuntu.com/employment :) | 08:19 |
| sabdfl | yeah baby - all clear thom | 08:20 |
| bddebian | mc44: Heh, no kidding :-) | 08:21 |
| thom | sabdfl: nifteh | 08:21 |
| Keybuk | what's the X60 like as a laptop? | 08:22 |
| thom | Keybuk: i have th X60s and it's awesome | 08:22 |
| elmo | Keybuk: do not question the cult of the thinkpad. just submit and buy one | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | have they put touchpads on them yet? | 08:22 |
| thom | typically hitting 5 hours battery life, dual core obviously | 08:22 |
| thom | and happily no touchpad | 08:22 |
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| Keybuk | elmo: heh, can't afford a new laptop -- got to save up yet | 08:24 |
| Keybuk | just interested in what the "current" shiny models are | 08:24 |
| mc44 | bddebian: you should defnatly aply for te X maintainer job :p | 08:25 |
| elmo | GRR | 08:25 |
| elmo | ok, so gnome-screensaver has gotten ridiculously buggy for me in dapper recently | 08:26 |
| mc44 | wow that was some bad spelling | 08:26 |
| elmo | was it part of update-the-world? | 08:26 |
| ogra | elmo, yes, whats wrong ? | 08:26 |
| elmo | yes :-( | 08:26 |
| bddebian | mc44: Nah I'm stupid and they all hate me :-) | 08:26 |
| elmo | ogra: every so often when I come back to my computer, the screen is just blank | 08:26 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:26 |
| elmo | ogra: key presses and/or mouse movement don't do anything | 08:26 |
| mc44 | bddebian: just like X! :) | 08:26 |
| Keybuk | bddebian: sounds like you're emminently qualified then | 08:27 |
| elmo | ogra: switching to console and killing gnome-screensaver gets me X back | 08:27 |
| ogra | hrm | 08:27 |
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| ogra | ati/nvidia involved ? | 08:27 |
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| Lure | pygi, slomo: regarding cdrecord: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/195167/d4d37493df901eec/ | 08:28 |
| thom | Keybuk: the X-series stuff looks considerably better than the nc2400 for sure | 08:28 |
| elmo | ogra: nope, R250, free drivers | 08:28 |
| bddebian | Hmm, they don't mention pay scale ;-) | 08:28 |
| mc44 | for X they better give you their first born as well | 08:29 |
| thom | Keybuk: and the 4200 is still on P-M | 08:29 |
| Keybuk | thom: I'm certainly disinclined to return to HP at the moment, this one just hasn't lasted as long as I'd've liked | 08:29 |
| ogra | elmo, r250 is not an ati ? | 08:29 |
| elmo | ogra: yes it is? | 08:29 |
| Keybuk | given my Latitude LS is *still* going, and still entirely rigid ... and this one is barely holding together | 08:29 |
| thom | nod | 08:29 |
| elmo | ogra: but I'm not using the non-free crap, is what I mean | 08:29 |
| ogra | right | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | the thingsI'm least happy about is how quickly the screen has failed | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | and that the battery life is virtually zero | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | and the latter appears to be a charger problem not a battery problem | 08:30 |
| ogra | elmo, can you see the 3d hacks previews in the screensaver config window ? | 08:30 |
| ogra | like antinspect or antspotlight | 08:31 |
| elmo | hmm, there is no select screensaver | 08:31 |
| elmo | cute | 08:31 |
| elmo | I supsect this is because I use to have 'flame' selected and SOMEONE decided that wasn't a shiny enough screensaver | 08:31 |
| elmo | so I no longer have it installed | 08:31 |
| ogra | huh ? it should still be there | 08:32 |
| ogra | ouch, no ... not if you dont have xscreensaver-data-extras installed | 08:32 |
| ogra | which is in universe | 08:32 |
| elmo | ogra: I'll try installing that | 08:33 |
| ogra | i can move it to the main package if i know you like it :) i doubt anybody will object :) | 08:33 |
| Keybuk | . o O { I remember, once, that we claimed we'd never break an existing user's configuration } | 08:33 |
| ogra | Keybuk, right, but thats an upstream issue i wasnt aware yet ... it'll need to fall back to something sane ... | 08:34 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | does anybody know, how to add a udeb to debian-installer Packages file? | 08:37 |
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| bddebian | Doh | 08:52 |
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| zul | Keybuk: heh...what did he do now? | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | requested a sync for cdbs | 08:53 |
| zul | hah | 08:53 |
| ogra | doit :) and we'll have a lt of fun :) | 08:53 |
| ogra | *lot | 08:53 |
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| KhanReaper | How do I create my own udeb file? Most importantly, how do I have the debian installer load it after disk-detect and before partman? How does d-i know when to do this? | 08:57 |
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| LaserJock | Keybuk: I believe the reason he the sync of cdbs was to get some new python policy stuff | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | LaserJock: and what about the Ubuntu changes to cdbs? | 08:58 |
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| LaserJock | umm, "Not my problem" ;-) | 08:58 |
| Keybuk | heh | 08:59 |
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| Keybuk | LaserJock: I'm so not believing you if you ever request a sync and claim "ok to override ubuntu changes" <g> | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | doh | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | just trying to manage divergence ;-) | 09:01 |
| Keybuk | ;) | 09:01 |
| Keybuk | right, food time, back for TB | 09:02 |
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| QuestionMarkCoun | I want do build my own keyring udebs and debs... so I have to put my public key in them, right? | 09:05 |
| QuestionMarkCoun | and when I get debian-installer to load my keyring.udeb with my public key in it, d-i will be able to verify the packages, which where signed with my private key, right? | 09:07 |
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| slomo | Keybuk: could you please move libiec61883 to main? MIR was approved by pitti some seconds ago and latest gst-plugins-good upload will need it | 09:55 |
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| Keybuk | slomo: sure | 10:00 |
| slomo | Keybuk: thanks :) | 10:00 |
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| thom | sabdfl: http://haecceity.clearairturbulence.org/articles/2006/08/15/apache-2-2-finally-hits-debian | 10:14 |
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| Toadstool | Keybuk: argh, gnomebaker hates me :) sorry for the noise | 10:21 |
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| bluefoxicy | Reading package lists... Error! | 10:36 |
| bluefoxicy | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room | 10:36 |
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| bluefoxicy | uh oh. | 10:37 |
| rkd | if i wanted to begin to contribute to ubuntu as a programmer, what languages/gui toolkits should i learn? | 10:37 |
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| bddebian | C, C++, Python, Gtk, Qt... :-) | 10:39 |
| slomo | bluefoxicy: fixed in latest apt | 10:40 |
| slomo | bluefoxicy: workaround: add APT::Cache-Limit "141943904"; to apt.conf | 10:41 |
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| zyga | sabdfl: sun is open sourcing java, maybe we will have sun's java on ppc after all :) | 10:46 |
| tseng | zyga: haha. | 10:46 |
| pygi | zyga, where you saw that? :) | 10:48 |
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| zyga | pygi: flashes on ./ and digg, it was a semi joke though ;-) | 10:49 |
| pygi | zyga, ah ^_^ | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | they _are_ actually opening sourcing java | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | however it's a bit like "you're gonna die! ... in 60 years or so" | 10:53 |
| zyga | Keybuk: IMO they aleady have, it's just becoming legal to compile & ship it without sun's blessing | 10:55 |
| zyga | i'll be a good thing in the long run | 10:55 |
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| slomo | hm, the buildds seem to be broken | 11:06 |
| bluefoxicy | slomo: thanks. I was pretty sure I couldn't apt-get upgrade that away :) | 11:08 |
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| sabdfl | thom: cool, congrats | 11:11 |
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| mdke | who has access to the packages in dapper-commercial? | 11:18 |
| mdke | core-dev? | 11:19 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: I wouldn't think core-dev even as I would think it would be Canonical specific | 11:30 |
| tseng | i think mvo is mostly the man behind it | 11:33 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, mvo seems to handle those things | 11:33 |
| mdz | what is gqview doing in main? | 11:48 |
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| mdz | sfllaw: ping | 11:54 |
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| ajmitch | Keybuk: cdbs was meant to be UVF exception, which I missed from the description - I had merged (& even tested) it locally | 11:57 |
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| Keybuk | ajmitch: wrong team for that then | 11:58 |
| pitti | ajmitch: oh, did yo merge cdbs for the python policy fix? | 11:58 |
| Keybuk | you wanted ubuntu-release, not ubuntu-archive | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | Keybuk: yes, force of habit, it seems | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | pitti: yes | 11:58 |
| pitti | \o/ | 11:58 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: I was just about to ask you about that :) | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | it makes it much easier to merge the changes :) | 11:59 |
| sfllaw | mdz: Pong. | 12:00 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: hmm. I filed a really simple bug about realplayer being in the wrong menu in Gnome, and no one has responded, although I think I'd be a 30 second fix | 12:02 |
| mdke | I wondered if I should be going "upstream", if real produced the package | 12:03 |
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