=== jono [n=jono@88-107-12-103.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] hey === Lutany_ [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaleo|dodo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-147-132.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pygi: you sick man ;) [12:11] Keybuk, ;) [12:13] does update-manage hand dapper->edgy upgrades well? [12:13] *handle [12:14] I guess that might be a little more of an #ubuntu+1 question [12:14] LaserJock, it does [12:14] LaserJock: it has a preliminary upgrade mode for edgy which you should test, yes === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] hmm, no man page for update-manager in Dapper, interesting [12:18] I'm guessing update-manager -c -d will do the trick [12:22] hmm, well it could use some more informative error messages :-) [12:24] is there some other tool than gdb to get a backtrace? :) [12:26] Hmm. What's the usual procedure for forcing a package to rebuild? Just a new upload? [12:27] With no changes and a comment. [12:27] yup, use VERSIONbuild1 [12:27] k [12:27] ubuntu1build1? [12:27] usually mention why you're forcing a rebuild [12:27] for that, just do ubuntu2 [12:27] thought so [12:27] thanks. just making sure. [12:27] you only need to force a rebuild that way if it built already [12:28] ie. soname change of underlying library [12:28] seb128: catchsegv [12:28] if the build failed, it doesn't need forcing [12:28] Versioned dependencies moved away. [12:28] So now it's uninstallable, etc. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | 6.06.1 released === marsu_ [n=user@c83-248-240-16.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] mdz: thank you, that one doesn't crash but gets not bt neither :p === whiprush is now known as whip|lwe === marsu_ [n=user@c83-248-240-16.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-82.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Oooh. Automatic crash reporting. I like. [12:48] Bit rough. Great addition. [12:48] Should attach a core file automatically. :) [12:49] edgy's bugbuddy you mean? [12:49] Yeah. [12:49] it uses the new HTTP technology [12:49] very 90s :) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Heh. [12:49] It's just nice to have it. [12:49] (thank god somebody finally implemented that) :) [12:50] Wonder if the plan is for it to do the reporting itself... including attaching this file. [12:50] Probably. ;0 [12:50] well [12:50] you sort of have to ask the user "what were you just doing?" [12:51] and sending in core files is extremely dangerous and sometimes unrealistic [12:51] Yeah. Simple questions, sure. But right now it makes you open launch pad, click new bug, submit, add attachment, paste /var/crash/_somefile.crash into the attachments. ;) [12:51] Yeah. [12:51] MS basically submits tailored core files. [12:51] Stack only or some such. [12:54] desrt: I'm not sure you guys speak about the same thing, wasabi is speaking about apport [12:54] apport the new thing that just popped into edgy? [12:54] yup [12:55] ya. i don't know what that is :) [12:55] apport is what you get notifying you that something crashed to edgy [12:55] replacing bug buddy, or in addition to? [12:55] oh. that's what i'm talking about [12:55] desrt: sort of bug-buddy but not GNOME specific [12:55] the new bugbuddy thing [12:55] desrt: new bug-buddy is bug-buddy with xml-rpc for me ;) [12:55] does it file to launchpad or bugzilla? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] desrt: bug-buddy? bugzilla! apport? it opens a browser on launchpad atm but save the informations to /var/crash too [12:56] bah. gnome settings daemon can't update xkb config [12:57] desrt: the plan is to bug launchpad by xmlrpc and get automatic debug backtrace ... but that part is not done yet ;) [12:57] seb128: how are you planning on getting the bt? -dbg packages, or uploading a core file or something? [12:58] for now it has the "detect crashes, a basic UI and bug dumps to /var/crash" === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] wasabi: read the "Introducing automatic crash reporting in Edgy" mail from Martin on the -announce list [12:59] it has all the details about that :) [12:59] k [12:59] wasabi: basically a compressed coredump sent to a box which will get the bt [12:59] Ahh. Cool. That's what I was thinking. [12:59] A launchpad service that added that info to the bug reports just running, etc. [01:00] wasabi: it was also in the dev mailing list [01:02] neato. fun to see it all coming togheter [01:02] mdz: i confirmed the bug and pitti had told me it was known so i didnt bother filing one but thank you [01:03] -but [01:05] gnomefreak: what bug? [01:05] the ff bug [01:06] which firefox bug? [01:06] the one you filed that apt breaks ff [01:06] bug 56394 [01:06] Malone bug 56394 in firefox "Premature use of Breaks causes apt failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56394 === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-22-117.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] s/*/& we don't want that/ === bluefoxicy just upgraded firefox and it said "installing firefox would break firefox-ubuntu-themes, and" [01:20] rhythmbox is looking *shiny* [01:21] yum [01:21] pretty is a feature! [01:21] Lalala. === mjg59 rapidly implements the rest of his SoC project === desrt colours mjg59 blue [01:22] Doremi, would be more appropriate, gene-boy === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F4712.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] desrt: Pf. I've got something with ticky boxes and if you tick them gnome-obex-server starts and stops [01:23] It does some other useful stuff too [01:23] mjg59: did you see my questions about the new usplash magic? [01:23] i have a cunning plan [01:23] sabdfl: Yeah [01:23] sabdfl: You can draw boxes in different colours [01:23] mjg59; this sounds less impressive than i'd have imagined [01:23] desrt: Haha [01:23] mjg59; i guess it's a last-minute job now? [01:23] desrt: Nah [01:23] It's all good [01:24] mjg59: more than 16 colours? can you know the resolution and colour depth? [01:24] sabdfl: Basically, you can dump a pixmap onto the screen and draw boxes. You can move sections of screen around, too. [01:25] sabdfl: More than 16 colours is trivial, but not yet implemented. Yes, you can query the resolution. === anibal [i=ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] vuntz vuntz vuntz [01:26] desrt: As far as UI goes, you've got bluetooth enable/disable, discoverability, whether or not you're accepting obex file transfers, where they get saved to, that sort of thing [01:26] Howdy folks [01:27] desrt: Currently implemented as a hal addon, a simple GTK frontend and a session daemon [01:27] oh god. a new session daemon. [01:28] mjg59; do you also have that neat stuff where you can see bluetooth devices and their services in hal? [01:29] desrt: Yes [01:29] do you have a hal method for hid attach? [01:29] Yes [01:29] rock. [01:29] that alone is awesome enough [01:29] And rfcomm binding [01:29] As I said, it needs UI [01:29] But that's easy enough [01:29] some sort of client-side API for that might be nice [01:29] More of a client-side API than HAL? [01:30] like int open_rfcomm_by_hal_uid (const char *); [01:30] which gives an fd [01:30] and handles all the binding and whatnot in the background [01:30] Hm. [01:30] Interesting idea. [01:30] that's really what people want [01:30] Right now it binds, then once the binding is completed adds a device node name to the HAL properties [01:31] so you're already most of the way there [01:31] Yeah [01:31] Should probably go in libbtctl [01:31] to quote jeff: DOIT [01:31] And libbtctl should be ported to hal stuff [01:31] Without breaking API [01:31] thank god my project doesn't care about API break [01:31] But I couldn't really be bothered redoing the libbtctl stuff when it wouldn't provide any user-visible difference [01:33] desrt: starsky and hutch [01:33] So. [01:33] How should I provide the list of devices? [01:33] In the pointy clicky UI [01:34] mjg59: A PIE MENU [01:34] Anyone other than Jeff? [01:34] mjg59: you should provide it in a clear manner [01:34] jdub; thx. [01:34] lifeless: And it should also be functional [01:35] mjg59: you should provide it in a clear and functional manner [01:35] ^better ? [01:35] To be honest, I'm tempted to just provide one icon per device and a clicky "use" button [01:35] Since the number of bluetooth devices which have more than one useful function is small [01:36] And we probably wouldn't support them anyway [01:36] like every cellphone ever? [01:36] desrt: Other than "Make this appear for DUN", what have you got? [01:36] address book sync, modem, voice, ... [01:36] Address book sync should be application specific [01:36] it's still an sdp-reported thingy [01:37] And on some devices, it's done over the serial connection anyway [01:37] Screaming nightmare === ajmitch wonders what his phone supports [01:38] I have no idea what my phone supports === mjg59 checks [01:38] Believe it or not, there are actually BlueTooth braille displays. [01:38] nifty === desrt === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] TheMuso: hardcore [01:41] jdub: Makes sense. [01:41] TheMuso: guess it means dodging the whole "find the socket" thing, hey? === mjg59 wonders what the Bluetooth Imaging profile actually is [01:41] jdub: Yeah, and having to have the display close to the computer. [01:41] mjg59, for printers ? [01:41] Or not having to, in the case of bluetooth. === ajmitch has nightmare flashbacks of doing bluetooth stuff with j2me [01:42] Ah, printers are one case === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Another appears to be automatically downloading pictures when nearby === desrt has random desire to kill the macbook [01:43] desrt: are you seeing someone for those inanimate object issues? [01:43] sabdfl; my apple certified repair technician [01:43] mjg59, patched gnome bluetooth or did from scratch? [01:44] jdub! how's life D-U? [01:44] shackan: No patches to gnome bluetooth yet [01:44] ack [01:44] Mostly because that would involve Python [01:44] sabdfl; unfortunately i need my laptop for the time being so i have to put up with the issues until i feel like saying goodbye to it for a few weeks [01:44] And Python scares me [01:44] mjg59, wasn't g-b written in c ? [01:45] It's a mixture [01:45] mdz: libiec61883 is not in debian yet because it was blocked by libraw1394... a newer version was needed but the old maintainer orphaned it and nobody took it until a month ago [01:46] scary.. [01:46] slomo: we already have the newer version in edgy? [01:46] mdz: both libiec61883 and new libraw1394 should get into debian soon [01:46] mdz: yes, i updated it shortly after edgy opened [01:46] slomo: ok [01:46] slomo: Define soon ;-) [01:47] If I've uploaded something to universe and it's hit NEW, do I actually need to do anything? [01:47] bddebian: "soon" :) it blocks gst-plugins-good in debian and packages seem to be ready already, only waiting for a sponsor [01:48] I've spent long enough with the flies that I'm forgetting this stuff [01:48] slomo: Ah, cool, then I can play with mythtv :-) [01:48] bddebian: we will have it sooner ;) [01:48] mjg59: last I saw NEW had a large backlog [01:48] Aye :-( [01:48] Fair enough [01:49] I'll hack in usplash integration at some stage [01:49] Bling-tastic hibernate [01:51] I think there's packages a month old in NEW [01:51] so it could take a while [01:53] rhythmbox is looking *shiny* [01:54] who processes NEW for universe? [01:54] same as Main [01:54] sabdfl: Same folks as for main [01:54] ubuntu-archive I imagine [01:54] mostly Kamion? [01:54] and Keybuk [01:55] But iirc Keybuk said something about not being as involved in the licensing stuff? === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] mdz: i've already written a MIR for it btw... shall i still disable the b-d for now or let it go on dep-wait and simply hope that the MIR will be approved soon? :) [01:55] I don't see shininess... however I do "wtf python console" (rhythmbox AND gedit have python console plug-ins), which is leading me to "are we feature-bloating yet?" [01:56] bddebian: hmm, no? [01:56] I'm just as involved [01:56] Oh, sorry [01:56] sabdfl: what's stuck? === bddebian goes back in hiding [01:57] Keybuk: when you process gnome-sharp2 from NEW please move it to main... it doesn't need a MIR as it's only code we have in main already. it was splitted off the gtk-sharp2 source package [01:57] slomo: best to wait to upload with the build-dep until the report is approved, in case there are isuses [01:58] issues [01:58] once it's approved, fire away [01:58] mdz: would "archive-fest" be a good use of the sprint, or not? [01:59] ie. cleaning out source NEW, cruft, NBS, anastacia, etc. [01:59] mdz: ok :) [02:00] sabdfl: If you want hibernate to have usplash bling, then NEW time would be a worthwhile investment [02:00] slomo: libiec61883 accepted [02:00] mdz: thanks :) [02:00] Keybuk: if it'd be more efficiently done as a group, yes [02:00] if it's individual round tuits, probably not [02:01] it's round tuits of the right shape [02:05] w00t, thx mdz [02:05] mjg59: what did you upload? [02:06] Keybuk: uswsusp [02:06] was this the original upstream tarball? [02:06] No [02:06] It's somewhat hacked [02:07] hmm [02:07] shouldn't have CVS/* in it then [02:07] mjg59, would getting more than 16 color support mean merly poking at pngtobogl or is the pallette size currently really limited to 16 colors in libbogl itself? [02:08] debian/copyright has problems (claims GPL v2 or above, source claims v2 only; missing copyright attributions) === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Keybuk: Oh, tch. [02:08] Seveas: pngtobogl and a little work on libbogl === zyg1 [n=zyga@fdu90.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas just found his timewaster project for tomorrow [02:09] mjg59: nothing blocking, but could you fix those in the next upload [02:09] thanks! [02:09] accepted [02:09] Keybuk: Sure [02:09] Seveas: Ideally, drop the RLE stuff from pngtobogl entirely [02:10] Since we gzip it, it's entirely pointless [02:10] And it's just pain [02:10] so just a big array of palette indexes... [02:10] slomo: accepted [02:11] (is svga still a palette or can it simply use rgblike values?) [02:12] bddebian: around? [02:12] Yo [02:13] bddebian: squashfs ... your upload seems to have made the package suddenly build lots of squashfs-modules-* packages [02:13] What'd I do now? [02:13] Seveas: Right now it's a 16 colour palette [02:13] Seveas: That's trivially changed. Basically, it just needs the mode numbers changing [02:14] mjg59, ok, thanks -- bedtime now but I'll poke at it tomorrow [02:14] Seveas: No problem [02:16] Keybuk: There are a bunch of module binary packages in debian/control [02:18] Keybuk: I uploaded a package yesterday, it seems to have gone awol [02:18] Keybuk: any chance you can have a poke for me ? [02:19] oh, nm, I was evidently smoking crack === lifeless uploads the right changes file [02:19] bddebian: right, but we ship those in our kernel packages [02:19] it could be a side-effect of merging from Debian [02:20] Shit, I knew something would end up being incorrect [02:21] infinity: whats should I file probably-kernel- bugs/wishlists on ? [02:21] they're all empty too :D === bddebian turns in his badge [02:22] heh, I wouldn't worry [02:22] this package is a mess [02:23] (from Debian) === shackan_ [n=shackan@host216-143.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] lifeless: depends on which kernel you're running [02:34] lifeless: for dapper, linux-source-2.6.15 (though expect to be asked to test on a newer kernel for hardware-specific issues) === zyg1 [n=zyga@fdu90.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] So, firefox [02:40] When did it stop accepting about:jwz ? [02:40] xrandr really is an odd thing === kr4z [n=kr4z@stjhnf0111w-142163098241.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] this is freakin' awesome for coding [02:43] whip|lwe, ping [02:51] mdz: i'm running dapper [02:51] thanks [02:51] the issues are not driver related - its oprofile [02:54] mjg59: maybe around the time that the (netscape.com) URL it redirected to went away [02:54] does anyone know of a way to do a split in vim and tie the two buffers together so that the one is always immediately below the other in the same file? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] mjg59: so do i understand correctly that I can just go ahead and have powernowd try ondemand first, and if that succeeds, quit and don't run the daemon? === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] sabdfl: Pong. [03:05] he's left for the night [03:05] lifeless: Kernel wishlists for spiffy new features should generally be filed against the devel release (ie" linux-source-2.6.17), unless you really think it's something we can stuff into a stable update safely. [03:06] infinity: well, one is a feature that we apparently have, but doesn't seem to work. The other would not affect the kernel - its just pulling out the debug data into a separate package for freaks like me [03:06] -> ubuntu-kernel if you like [03:09] Keybuk: how is the init stuff looking? [03:09] mdz: Yes [03:10] mjg59: we're increasingly overloading the powernowd init script. yahoo [03:13] why does lists.ubuntu.com have no google juice at all? [03:14] google juice puts alot of weight on hyperlinks [03:15] but you would think one off ubuntu,com would be enough to get started.. [03:15] Results 1 - 10 of about 82 linking to lists.ubuntu.com. <-- low number of incoming links probably [03:16] searching for Ubuntu maliing list content turns up gmane, mail-archive, and loads of other stuff rather than lists.ubuntu.com [03:16] mdz: if someone took the time to make a google site map that would help TREMENDUSLY with googles rankins and links [03:18] mdz: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34654 [03:19] it would tell google to crawl it at an interval we set and what urls to crawl like the archives [03:19] kinda an advanced robots.txt === joshuapurcell [n=joshua_p@c-67-172-194-163.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] oh, hrm. fglrx still doesn't work. [03:40] mjg59: free 3d is not doable on a Radeon Xpress 200M (RC410) ? [03:43] jdub: It will today, if I have anything to say about it. [03:44] sweet [03:44] in the mean time, i will dapperise a spare partition ;) === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] can I annoy someone regarding which package to file a bug under? === Flawless [n=chrivers@port741.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flawless [n=chrivers@port741.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Little] === eggauah [n=daniel@c91fa07c.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] mdz: pretty good, should be in the archive before the sprint [04:41] am mostly testing atm [04:42] Keybuk: what does the upgrade process look like? [04:42] pretty minimal at the moment, it just replaces the key parts of sysvinit and runs /etc/init.d/rc N [04:42] so most things are unaffected [04:45] who's responsible for the single-instance-app framework? [04:45] i think i might want to use it in applets [04:51] zul; ARGH. hold on. [04:51] freenode is preventing me from /msg'ing you [04:51] eh? [04:51] maybe i have been blacklisted :) [04:51] no. it's just lilostupid [04:51] it's working now [04:55] iwj: Argh. Having firefox Depends on firefox-themes-ubuntu, but Breaks the only versoin available in the archive is a bit problematic. === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0045-acx-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] night === excitatory [n=excitato@CPE-70-94-13-227.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] night [05:02] so, i just tried to install the php4-mysql package.. dpkg tried to execute some kind of config file or something (judging by the dpkg output) out of /tmp/php4-mysql.config.157021 -- which doesn't make sense to me since i mount /tmp with noexec, as i'm sure most of you do. [05:03] so like, is this an issue i would talk to the package maintainer about, file a bug, or shout at you guys in here about? === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] excitatory: well, you could look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ for the postinst script and see what it's doing [05:05] excitatory: but really #ubuntu (for dapper), #ubuntu+1 (for edgy), and #ubuntu-bugs are the more appropriate places :-) [05:06] LaserJock: ok, sorry. ..and thank you for your help. [05:07] no problem === excitatory [n=excitato@CPE-70-94-13-227.wi.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] Keybuk: is bootchart expected to be working in edgy? [05:22] Keybuk: I get no /dev/.bootchart, 'bootchart bottom' hanging around and no love [05:23] mdz, I've seen your email on removing Breaks: from packages until implementation is completed. xorg-server has Breaks: support for about two weeks now, and I haven't heard anything from users upgrading yet. Shall I remove it? [05:24] rodarvus: did you use it in place of a Conflicts or in addition to a Conflicts? [05:24] rodarvus: you should be able to tell from the email whether it will break in your circumstances [05:25] the problem is that apt may tell dpkg to install a package which would cause Breaks to be dissatisfied [05:25] xorg-server does not conflicts with the packages it breaks (only the replacement packages do) [05:25] xserver-xorg-video-* conflicts with xserver-xorg-driver-* [05:26] mdz, but yes, I think it might break apt upgrade [05:26] then it should probably be reverted for now [05:26] doing it now, thanks! [05:26] just wanted to get your official ack on that [05:26] mdz: I don't know of a reason it shouldn't ... it was certainly working a few days ago [05:26] mdz: w.r.t to the meeting, i would expect/hope to work with jono as well. === Hobbsee is still reading [05:28] mdz: just worked ok for me === mike_zhang [n=mike@221.221.160.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] Keybuk: will try a more verbose boot [05:29] I get a "chdir: No such file or directory" from an init-bottom script === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Parting"] [05:31] no output from the bootchart script that I can see [05:31] sounds like your update-initramfs is broken/incomplete [05:31] I ran it by hand and watched it; it should surely be complete [05:31] try update-initramfs -u, etc. [05:31] hmm, and the bootchart script was run in the initramfs? [05:31] yes, there were processes running from it [05:32] which weren't killed because /dev/.bootchart didn't exist [05:32] that's odd [05:32] /dev/.bootchart is made by that script [05:32] indeed [05:33] nothing should have mounted over /dev later, right? [05:33] nope [05:33] mdz: assign or subscribe ubuntu-release for UVF exception? cdbs needs some fixes [05:33] ajmitch: subscribe, per DeveloperResources [05:34] then the wiki needs changed [05:37] hmm, worked on the second try with an identical initramfs [05:37] spooky [05:40] who can show me a example of the database used by wanna-build? [05:44] mike_zhang: wrong channel, try a Debian channel (Ubuntu doesn't use wanna-build) [05:45] but I want to setup a buildd daemon on dapper [05:45] any suggestion? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.216.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.22.11.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joshuapurcell is away: I'm busy === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-205-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-205-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC9F4511.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=tomb@AC9F4511.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] Good morning === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] pitti; hello. [07:40] hey desrt [07:43] pitti, good morning [07:43] . o O ( about time I should go to bed ) === desrt was just thinking that [07:44] heh, sleep well, guys! [07:44] pitti waking up is a good indicator for those in eastern standard time to go to bed :) [07:44] pitti, I won't give up so quickly ;) [07:44] I'm not no EST (UTC-3 here), so even worse [07:44] s/no/on/ === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-57-8.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-74-185.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-18-227.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65E34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] moin mvo [09:09] mvo: I have an updated apt&friends system now; anything you want me to do for you? [09:09] hello pitti [09:10] pitti: could you plesae run (if you have 0.6.45ubuntu4): apt-get install --install-recommends --fix-policy ? [09:10] and see what it suggests [09:10] ? [09:11] whoa [09:12] a big list I guess :) ? [09:12] mvo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20644 === pitti definitively does not want to add all this junk [09:12] mvo: however, the removed packages are a bit worrysome [09:12] yeah [09:13] those are pretty bad decisions from the resolver [09:13] mvo: dist-upgrade only wants to do that, BTW: [09:13] Die folgenden Pakete sind zurckgehalten worden: [09:13] hal-device-manager hpijs libgcj7-jar [09:13] 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 3 nicht aktualisiert. [09:13] this is what we would end up if we enable install-recommends as default [09:13] the recommends lists of some packages are pretty odd [09:13] e.g. nautilus recommends fam [09:13] mvo: IMHO, before we do that by default, we need to clean up recommends [09:14] -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true will give details what package requested what package [09:14] do you want that? [09:14] pitti: I totally agree, I think we should talk in wiesbaden about it [09:14] (output) [09:14] not now, thanks [09:14] mvo: the tahi thing preventing ubuntu-desktop from installing. Known? [09:15] Burgundavia: no, I will have a look [09:15] mvo: ttf-thai-t1wg [09:16] pitti: thanks for the output, I will write a mail to ubuntu-devel explaining about the new feature and that we will most likely have to discuss this again [09:18] Is there a reason for Edgy's hal-device-manager to be displaying all PCI devices as `Unknown' now? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] Burgundavia: u-d seems to upgrade here, can I get put the output of "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true" to a pastebin please? [09:24]